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GOOD EVENING. THE TIME IS NOW 6PM AND I'LL CALL THE ORDER THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY WORKSHOP OF TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 8TH. IT'S A WORKSHOP OR MEETING? WORKSHOP.
OKAY, WE BEGIN FIRST. DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS? SORRY.
ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS? YES, SIR.
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR KITZEROW? HERE.
COMMISSIONER. ATTORNEY BAIRD? HERE.
OKAY, HAVING NO CITIZEN COMMENTS, I TURN IT OVER TO STAFF FOR THE ONE ITEM ON OUR AGENDA.
[1. CRA Fiscal Year 2027 Operating Budget and Community Investment Program (Continued from 8/13/26). ]
MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN HEAR ME.OKAY. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND BOARD MEMBERS.
THIS IS A CONTINUATION MEETING OF THE PREVIOUS CRA WORKSHOP FOR THE BUDGET. WE MADE IT ALL THE WAY UP TO THIS PAGE AT THE LAST MEETING, AND THEN WE STARTED HAVING DIALOGUE IN REGARDS TO SUNNY SANDS. AND I WANTED TO ASK BEFORE I BEGAN BACK ON THIS PAGE THAT WE LEFT OFF ON, WOULD YOU LIKE FOR ME TO CONTINUE ON FROM THAT PAGE, OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPIN OFF OR DISCUSS OTHER ITEMS BEFORE THAT? WELL, I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS WE PAUSED IS BECAUSE WE REALIZED A DECISION HAD TO BE MADE ON FUNDING APPROACHES, YOU KNOW, FOR SUNY SANDS ACQUISITION. IF WE WERE TO EVEN GET TO THAT POINT, SINCE THAT IS A MEDIATION AGREEMENT OBLIGATION THAT WE DON'T WANT TO NOT DO, YOU PUT SOMETHING OUT.
BUT I WOULD SUGGEST YOU TALK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE DILEMMA WAS IF YOU DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT'S HERE, THERE'S NO MONEY. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK, I MEAN, I WOULD APPRECIATE THE FULL PRESENTATION BECAUSE IF WE LOOK AT THE CASH FLOW, WE'VE GOT THE 24 MILLION, THIS, INCLUDING ALL CIP PROJECTS, IS 13.7. SO, I MEAN, I'D BE CURIOUS TO SAY. I'M NOT SURE THERE'S A SENSE OF URGENCY AROUND THAT, BUT I DO WANT TO UNDERSTAND ALL THE PROJECTS AS THEY'RE CURRENTLY PRESENTED HERE.
BUT THEN WE'RE, I THINK, GOING TO NEED TO ALSO TOUCH ON SUNNY SANDS AND TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS.
THE SENSE OF URGENCY, BY THE WAY, WHICH I HAD SENT IN VIA LETTER EMAIL BACK ON AUGUST 12, AND IT WAS A FOLLOW UP TO A PREVIOUS EMAIL, IS THE SETTLEMENT TERMS OBLIGATE US TO GIVE US SOME OBLIGATIONS.
NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE TO VOTE ON AN APPLICATION NO LATER THAN 1231. AND THEN IT ADDRESSES IMPLEMENTATION ACTIONS WHEREIN DEDICATION PURCHASE OF THE LAND ARE ANTICIPATED TO OCCUR 90 DAYS AFTER THE APPROVAL DATES. AND SO HAVING SOME CONVERSATION OR SOME UNDERSTANDING, 90 DAYS IS AN EXTREMELY TIGHT TIMELINE.
AND SO WE REALLY. I FELT WE REALLY NEEDED TO KIND OF AT LEAST KNOW WHAT OPTIONS THERE WERE, TO KNOW THAT WE'VE LEFT TIME, OTHERWISE WE'RE NOT FULFILLING THE COMMITMENTS WE MADE IN THE MEDIATION AGREEMENT.
THAT WAS THE ONLY REASON WHY I SAID IT THAT WAY. RIGHT. WE CAN GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, BUT IN THE END, LIKE I WAS AT THE POINT SAYING DEFER STUFF AND SOME OTHERS WOULD SAY, WELL, WHY? BECAUSE YOU KNOW, YEAH, I THINK WE NEED TO SEE WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH, WHAT'S PRESENTED AND THEN WE HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION OUT BEFORE THE PUBLIC. WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION THE LAST MEETING, SO WE HAVEN'T YET MADE IT THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.
WE JUST HIT ON THE OPERATING LAST TIME WHEN WE STARTED INTO THE CIP PORTION. ALL CONTINUE FROM THERE. THERE'S A NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED BASED ON WHAT'S IN THE CRA PLAN. WE CAN START WITH THE RIVERWALK LIVING SHORELINE AND STABILIZATION PROJECT. PHASE ONE HAS BEEN COMPLETED SOUTH OF MANGROVE BAY TO THE RIVER PLAZA. PHASE TWO, STABILIZATION INSTALLATION OF THE LIVING SHORELINE ABUTTING JUPITER YACHT CLUB AND LAGUNA BRIDGE AND TO THE BEST WESTERN HOTEL. ENHANCE THE SHORELINE BELOW THE WATERLINE AND ON THE UPLAND USING A VARIETY OF NATURE BASED STRATEGIES THAT REDUCES WAVE ACTION. THIS HAS BEEN A PROJECT THAT'S BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR SOME TIME.
AGAIN, WE'RE GOING INTO PHASE TWO OF THIS PROJECT. PLAZA DOWN UNDER STABILIZATION RIVERWALK THE WALL THAT YOU WE HAD DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME STRUCTURES THAT HAVE BEEN DAMAGED DUE TO A WATER VESSEL DAMAGING THE WALL.
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SINCE BEEN COMPLETED. NOW WE'RE TRYING TO PUT IN SOME ITEMS TO HELP STABILIZE THE WALL AND ALSO AS FAR AS MAKING SURE THAT VESSELS CAN GET THAT CLOSE AGAIN TO DAMAGE THE WALL. SO SOME PREVENTATIVE TYPE OF MEASURES ALSO TO HELP CREATE MARINE HABITAT TO PROTECT AND PREVENT DAMAGE TO THE WALL IN THE FUTURE. THE PIA PLACE PARK, RIVERWALK, AND PUBLIC SAFETY DOCK. THIS IS A MULTI YEAR PROJECT FOR PARK IMPROVEMENTS THAT INCLUDES PUBLIC ACCESS, PARK AMENITIES, ENVIRONMENTAL RESTORATION, AND THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC SAFETY DOCK ON THE 4.8 ACRE SITE.IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDE A SEGMENT OF THE RIVERWALK CONSTRUCTION BEHIND THE NEW FIRE STATION AND A NEW OVERLOOK OF THE INTERCOASTAL WATERWAY THAT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED WITH THE PUBLIC SAFETY DOCK.
AND THEN THE PROJECT IS PARTIALLY FUNDED THROUGH A FINE GRANT. GATEWAY AND WAYFINDING SIGNS DESIGN AND INSTALLATION OF GATEWAY FEATURES WAYFINDING, PARKING AND INTERPRETIVE SIGNS WITHIN THE CRA BOUNDARY TO SHOWCASE THE ASSETS, IMPROVE ACCESS AND PROVIDE INFORMATION.
WAYFINDING SIGNS INCLUDE PARKING, RESTROOMS, ACCESS POINTS, VIEWS, AND DESTINATIONS. INCLUDES DESIGN FOR FUTURE GATEWAY LOCATIONS AS WELL. RIVERWALK PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE IMPROVEMENTS PROPOSED UPGRADES TO THE RIVERWALK CORRIDOR FOR PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE SAFETY, LED LIGHTING, NEW BENCHES, TRASH RECEPTACLES, LANDSCAPING IMPROVEMENTS WHERE APPROPRIATE, UPGRADE EXISTING SHADE STRUCTURES ALONG THE COASTAL WAY WITH NEW LIGHTING AND MORE RESILIENT MATERIALS TO WITHSTAND THE COASTAL ENVIRONMENT. THE RIVERWALK CONNECTION COMPLETE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE MISSING LINKS OF RIVER LOCK ALONG THE INTERCOASTAL WATERWAY AND THE INLET VILLAGE PORTIONS OF THE RIVERWALK MAY WILL BE CONSTRUCTED EITHER WATERWARD OR UPLAND AND CONNECTED TO EXISTING SECTIONS. THIS IS TO COMPLETE THE RIVERWALK ALONG THOSE SECTIONS THAT YOU SEE HIGHLIGHTED HERE. SO AS YOU INDICATED THE CASH FLOW. THE CASH FLOW INCLUDES ALL THE ITEMS I JUST WENT THROUGH. SO EVERYTHING IS IN HERE. YOU'LL EVEN SEE THE CARRY FORWARD BALANCE THAT'S ASSUMED IN THE CASH FLOW. LOOKING FORWARD TO 2034 WHEN THE CRA SUNSETS, WE'RE LOOKING AT 2 POINT OR 24, JUST OVER 24 MILLION, ALMOST $25 MILLION REMAINING. NOW I WILL PREFACE THAT BY SAYING THESE NUMBERS DO NOT INCLUDE THE AMENDMENT 3.
IF THAT WERE TO PASS IN NOVEMBER, IF YOU REMEMBER RIGHT, WE DID DISCUSS THAT. WE ASSUME THAT THAT WOULD BE AROUND HALF A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR. SO, YOU'RE LOOKING AT JUST LESS THAN YOU WOULD REMOVE ABOUT $4 MILLION OUT OF THIS BALANCE IF THAT WERE TO OCCUR STILL WITH OVER $20 MILLION REMAINING. SO THE CASH FLOW IS STILL VERY HEALTHY, ESPECIALLY WITH THE NEW MILLAGE RATE.
THIS DOES ASSUME THE NEW MILLAGE RATE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED TO FUND THE TOWN AND ALSO THE MILLAGE RATE FOR THE COUNTY THAT'S CURRENTLY BEEN PROPOSED AND SHOULD BE ADOPTED SHORTLY. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? JUST CLARIFICATION.
DIRECTOR REYNOLDS, YOU SAID THE. I THOUGHT YOU SAID 2034 FOR THE SUNSET OF THE CRA. IS THAT 34 OR 35? 35 AT THE END OF 34 WOULD BE THAT MONEY THAT YOU WOULD SEE HERE.
SO AGAIN, JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU. YOU JUST SAID. I JUST WANT TO REPEAT FOR THE RECORD, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY THE ENDING BALANCE WAS SHOWN AT 24.9 MILLION. SO 4 LESS IS GOT ABOUT 21 MILLION. JUST SLIGHTLY UNDER THAT. WITH THE END BALANCE BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR WITH ANY PROJECTS? WELL, IT INCLUDES THE PROJECTS THAT WE JUST.
SO OTHERWISE ANY OTHER PROJECTS THAT YOU WOULD SO WISH TO ADD THAT ARE IN THE CRA PLAN, OF COURSE THAT WOULD SUBTRACT FROM THE BALANCE.
RIGHT. SO, IS THAT THE END OF YOUR PRESENTATION? BECAUSE NOW IT'S QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS? YES.
WELL, AND YOU DID THE OPERATING ALREADY BEFORE LAST TIME. I'M SORRY, YOU DID THE OPERATING BEFORE LAST TIME? WE DID.
OKAY, SO ALL WE HAVE IS THE CRB IS. ALL WE HAVE IS THE CAPITAL.
THE CAPITAL AND THE OPERATING THAT WE WENT OVER LAST DURING THE FIRST PART OF THE PRESENTATION LAST TIME.
SO, YOU KNOW I KNOW WE HAD TWO OPTIONS AND WE HAD SOME BRIEF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT. I THINK COMMISSIONER DELANEY ASKED ME,
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YOU KNOW, WHY OR WHATEVER TO EXPLAIN. AND, YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT $21 MILLION BEYOND THE PROJECTS THAT WERE ALREADY IN HERE, AND I CAN'T IMAGINE A HIGHER PRIORITY. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SUNY SANDS ACQUISITION, IF WE CAN GET IT, AND I LOOK AT IT, I CAN LIVE WITH 21 MILLION. EVEN IF WE DO THE OTHER PROJECTS, I WOULD JUST KIND OF DEFER THEM. BUT I'M JUST GIVING YOU MY LOGIC. I KNOW THE ALTERNATIVE IS TO FLOAT A BOND AND THEN ADD, YOU KNOW, A MILLAGE TAX, EXTRA TAX UPON THE PUBLIC. AND WE GOT THAT FROM STAFF. YOU KNOW, IT CAME THROUGH BY EMAIL AS THAT ALTERNATIVE.RIGHT. YOU KNOW THAT YOU SUBMITTED THAT TO US. SO, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT. BUT THAT'S THE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION IS HOW WOULD YOU, HOW WOULD YOU FINANCE. IF WE GET TO THE POINT TO FULFILL OUR OBLIGATION IN THE AGREEMENT, HOW WOULD WE WANT, YOU KNOW, THE FINANCE DIRECTOR TO BE PREPARED ON 90 DAYS, YOU KNOW, TO COME UP WITH THE FUNDS? WE ASK THE FINANCE DIRECTOR, DIRECTOR REYNOLDS, IF WE USE 10.5 FOR LAND ACQUISITION, HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THE CASH FLOW ABILITY TO COMPLETE THESE PROJECTS? ARE DEFERRALS REQUIRED OR IS THERE ENOUGH HERE OR IN HOW WE CAN STRUCTURE IT TO DO BOTH? AND IS THERE URGENCY? SO YOU HAD SAID BEFORE WE COULD BORROW FROM RESERVES AND PAY OURSELVES BACK THAT INSTRUMENT QUICKER IF WE'RE IN A CONTRACTUAL. SO THAT'S ONE OPTION. SO WE HAVE A COUPLE OF OPTIONS ON EITHER SIDE THAT ARE QUICK FOR THE SAKE OF THE 90 DAY CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION. SO CAN YOU JUST SPEAK TO SOME OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING UP HERE? THAT IS ONE OPTION THAT YOU JUST BROUGHT UP. IF YOU WANTED TO ACT QUICKLY, IF THERE WAS A SENSE OF URGENCY TO DO IT TODAY. WE DO HAVE ENOUGH RESERVE BALANCES WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND THAT WE COULD BORROW AGAINST THAT AND THEN GO OUT FOR AN ISSUANCE. THE ISSUANCE IS GOING TO TAKE AT MINIMUM THREE MONTHS TO DO. WHETHER YOU'RE GOING TO GO A BOND ISSUE BASED ON THE OPEN SPACE BONDING OR IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO THE TIF FINANCING ROUTE, IT'S STILL THE SAME PROCESS.
THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL STEPS IN WITH THE BOND THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO, BUT OVERALL YOU'RE LOOKING AT APPROXIMATELY THREE MONTHS EITHER WAY. AND THAT IS ONE OF THE OPTIONS. IF YOU WANTED TO BORROW FROM YOUR. FROM OURSELVES AND PAY IT BACK.
JUST TO POINT OUT ON THE SCREEN, UNDER 26 AND 27, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL MAKING INTEREST PAYMENT AND PRINCIPAL REPAYMENTS TO, TO THE GENERAL FUND, GENERAL FUND ONLY.
I KNOW, I UNDERSTAND. AND I JUST, I'M JUST UNEASY ABOUT. I KNOW YOU COULD DO IT IN THE SHORT TERM. SO YES, IT IS A SHORT TERM SOLUTION, BUT JUST THINKING LONGER TERM, I WOULD NOT WANT TO COMMIT, YOU KNOW, TO BE BORROWING IT FROM GENERAL RESERVES, THE GENERAL FUND, AND THEN PAYING IT BACK OVER 10 YEARS. I KNOW, I KNOW THAT COULD WORK.
I DON'T THINK I WOULDN'T EITHER. BUT IF WE NEED THE MONEY QUICKLY AND YOU KNOW WE'RE AT LEAST THREE MONTHS FOR A BOND, SCOTT, FOR WHATEVER MEANS, WE GET TO BORROW THE MONEY LIKE WE DID LAST TIME WITH TAYLOR PROPERTY. CORRECT. BUT I THINK LONG TERM, IF WE BORROW IT FROM OURSELVES THROUGH CRA OR GENERAL FUND, THEN GO OUT AND REIMBURSE THAT FUND WITH THE BOND BECAUSE WE HAVE PERMISSION FROM THE VOTERS AND I. PLUS WITH AMENDMENT 3 LURKING, I THINK THAT'S THE SAFEST WAY FOR THE TOWN TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE EXTRA LINE ITEM ON THE TAX BILL. THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY EITHER WAY.
BUT WE'LL BE PAYING INTEREST ON IT. BUT WE HAVE PERMISSION FROM THE TAXPAYERS TO DO THAT.
IF THERE'S ONE THING TAXPAYERS IN JUPITER ARE ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT PAYING MORE FOR IS LAND ACQUISITION FOR OPEN SPACE. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M PRETTY COMFORTABLE SAYING WE'LL PAY A LITTLE EXTRA WITH, WITH INTEREST, BUT I THINK THAT'S THE SAFEST WAY TO GO, ESPECIALLY WITH AMENDMENTS DELURKING IN THE FUTURE.
SO, I WILL TELL YOU, LOOKING AT THE. BECAUSE AS A MATTER OF FACT, I WAS, I WAS TALKING OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR TODAY.
WE'RE CURRENTLY GOING OUT THE STATIONS. SO, WE'RE COMPARING RATES. WE'RE LOOKING AT RATES. THE TIF FINANCING, MOST LIKELY. IF THE MEMO THAT YOU REFERENCED, MAYOR, THAT WHEN I FIRST LOOKED AT THIS, IF YOU LOOKED AT IT, THE INTEREST RATE MAY BE A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR THE TIF FINANCING THAN THE BOND. THE BOND IS YOU'RE PLEDGING THE FULL FAITH AND CREDIT OF THE TOWN. SO YOU'RE GOING TO GET A MUCH BETTER RATE GOING OUT WITH THE OPEN SPACE THAT YOU WOULD WITH THE TIF. THE TIF IS GOING TO BE, EVEN THOUGH WE'LL BE PLEDGING THE TIF REVENUE, THEY'LL BE LOOKING FOR A BACKSTOP, MOST LIKELY WHAT THEY CALL A COVENANT TO BUDGET APPROPRIATION, MEANING THAT IF FOR SOME REASON THE TIF WAS UNABLE TO PAY, THEN THE TOWN WOULD HAVE
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TO BACKSTOP THAT. THAT WOULD AFFECT THE RATE THAT WE'RE GETTING NOW. LOOKING AT THE TERMS, COUNCILOR DELANEY, YOU, AND I TALK ABOUT TERMS ALL THE TIME WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BORROWING THE SHORTER TERMS, BETTER THE RATE. BUT STILL, I THINK LOOKING AT COMPARABLES, I THINK THE BOND BASED ON SPECIFICALLY WHAT I SAW THIS MORNING WAS SPEAKING WITH MY FINANCIAL ADVISOR. THE BONDS, THEY'RE WORKING IN PARALLEL WITH ONE ANOTHER BUT AT THE SAME TIME I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET A MUCH BETTER RATE WITH THE BOND. AND WHEN I SAY MUCH BETTER, I MEAN YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT ABOUT ANYWHERE BETWEEN 22 TO MAYBE UP TO $35,000 A YEAR DIFFERENCE, POSSIBLY DEPENDING ON THE TERM. IF YOU WANT TO GO A LONGER TERM, WHICH YOU KNOW, THEN YOU GET A BETTER THE RATE GOES UP. IF THE SHORTER THE TERM, THE BETTER THE RATE, THE LESS THE IMPACT.YOU SAID 22 TO 35. DID YOU SAY PER MONTH OR PER YEAR? PER YEAR. OKAY, IF I SAID PER MONTH, I'M SORRY, IT'S PER YEAR.
YEP, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT I WROTE.
AND THOSE ARE ROUND, ROUND NUMBERS. I'M WORKING ON THAT TODAY WITH MY FINANCIAL ADVISOR WITH REGARDS TO AMENDMENT THREE AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I'VE HEARD COMPETING ACCOUNTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
BUT FOR THOSE WHOSE HOMES ARE VALUED AT UNDER 250, IF AMENDMENT THREE GOES FORWARD AND IT'S VOTER APPROVED BOND ISSUANCE AND DEBT, DOES EVERYONE CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS THAT OR THEY WILL REMAIN EXEMPTED FOR THAT FOR THE BOND IF YOU, YOU WILL HAVE A MILLAGE RATE FOR THE, FOR THE TOWN WIDE FOR JUST TO PAY THE DEBT SERVICE.
THAT IS BASED ON THE TAXABLE VALUE AFTER THE EXEMPTIONS. SO ANY EXEMPTIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN PLACE, IT WOULD BE LESS THAT. SO YOU COULD HAVE RESIDENTS THAT MAYBE THEIR TAXABLE VALUE IS LESS THAN 250. THEY'RE PAYING REALLY NO TAX TO THE TOWN. THEY WOULD NOT BE PAYING FOR THAT PORTION OF THE BOND. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES. AND THEN WITHIN THE CRA YOU HAVE COUNTY FUNDS CONTRIBUTING.
BUT THEN YOU HAVE ONLY THOSE TAXPAYERS WITHIN CRA BOUNDARIES.
SO, THE FERRIS METHOD IS LINE ITEM ON EVERYBODY'S TAX BILL.
THAT'S RIGHT. JUST LIKE PREVIOUS YEARS THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD DEBT. IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS SINCE WE'VE HAD DEBT.
BUT IT APPEARS AS A DEBT LINE ITEM ON THEIR TAX BILL.
THE FERRIS METHOD, THE FERRIS APPROACH. I HAVE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT OPINION.
MAYBE A SIGNIFICANT IS LOOK, I'M LOOKING AT 20.9 MILLION.
WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME PRETTY CHALLENGING FISCAL TIMES. IF THE PUBLIC TELLS US THEY DON'T WANT TO BE PAYING AS MUCH AS THEY'RE PAYING NOW AND AMENDMENT 3 PASSES, THEN I IN GOOD CONSCIENCE WOULD NOT WANT TO LEAVE $21 MILLION PARKED HERE.
FOR SOMETHING OTHER THAN SUNY SANDS ACQUISITION, BECAUSE THAT MEANS I'M SPENDING SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT BEHAVIOR IN THE CRA THAN I AM ELSEWHERE.
AND THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, I HAVE THE POSITION THAT I HAVE.
I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT POSITION. I DON'T SEE WHY WE WANT TO PUT ADDITIONAL MILLAGE ON OUR RESIDENTS TO PAY FOR THIS PROPERTY AS OPPOSED TO USING THE CRA FUNDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE.
SO, I MEAN, I'M COMING AROUND TO THAT. I'VE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH THIS FOR MONTHS, AS STAFF KNOWS. I THINK THE HARD PART IS, YOU KNOW, VOTERS APPROVE THIS AT OVER 70%, BUT THAT WAS IN 2019, BEFORE A WAR, A PANDEMIC. I MEAN, I CAN'T IMAGINE THERE BEING MORE CHANGE IN A SHORT TIME THAN WHAT WE SAW AND ARE SEEING. SO CONDITIONS HAVE ABSOLUTELY CHANGED WHICH LEAD ME TO LEAN TOWARDS THE CRA. I JUST WANTED THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT POLICY DECISION AND THERE'S SO MUCH NUANCE TO IT, LIKE ALL OF THESE RATES AND THE TERMS THAT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL DISCUSSING THEM BECAUSE THEY, THERE'S A LOT OF NUANCE HERE IN TERMS OF WHO PAYS, WHEN THEY PAY, HOW LAND ACQUISITION IS NOT FREE.
WE'RE THE ONLY ONES AT THE TABLE BUYING LAND TO PRESERVE IT. AND HOW WE DO IT IS IMPORTANT. AND IT'S VOTERS WHO VOTED TO TAX THEMSELVES.
BUT THAT TAX, IF WE DON'T USE IT FOR THIS, WILL WE EVER USE IT? THERE'S NO DEADLINE. VOTERS VOTING VOTED TO TAX THEMSELVES, BUT THERE'S NO OBLIGATION TO COMPLETE THAT WITHIN A 10 OR 20 OR 30 YEAR TIME FRAME. IS THAT CORRECT, DIRECTOR RENNER? THERE IS NO SALE DATE ON THE, THERE'S NO DEADLINE OR SO. I MEAN, WE'LL ALWAYS HAVE THAT
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ABILITY UP THROUGH THE AMOUNT APPROVED.BUT IF WE DON'T DO IT ON THIS AT THIS POINT, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL EVER DO IT. AND THEN DOES THAT IMPACT WHEN WE GO BACK OUT TO ASK VOTERS IN THE FUTURE FOR OTHER THINGS? I DON'T KNOW. I DO THINK VOTERS VIEW THIS AS ABSOLUTELY NOT WASTEFUL. THIS IS THEIR HIGHEST PRIORITY, THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF ANYTHING. THEY'RE CLEAR ON THAT AND THEY WERE CLEAR ON THAT IN THE VOTE. SO IT'S TRICKY. BUT THEN DO WE NEED TO MAKE THIS DECISION NOW? BECAUSE CAN WE WAIT THE FEW MONTHS UNTIL, I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE WE'LL SEE. WELL, THE ONLY REASON ON THIS PROPERTY, CERTAINLY BEFORE THE DEADLINE, WE MAY NEED TO AMEND, YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THAT.
IN MY VIEW, THE ONLY ACTION THAT WE NEED TO TAKE IS SOMEWHAT HAVE A GENERAL CONSENSUS OF HOW WE WOULD DO IT. BECAUSE THEN, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE CONSENSUS WAS WHETHER IT BE 3 TO 2, 4 TO 1, OR 5 TO 0, THEN WE'RE NOT GOING OUT AND FINANCING IT. THINGS COULD CHANGE. THE ONLY THING THAT CHANGES, THAT WE'D COME BACK AND THEN, LOOK, IN ORDER TO MAYBE BORROW LESS, WOULD WE DEFER ANY OF THE EXISTING PROJECTS? YOU KNOW, EFFECTIVELY. PAUSE. SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT REALLY IN THIS BUDGET IS TO TALK ABOUT.
BUT THAT'S THE OTHER QUESTION.
SO, DIRECTOR REYNOLDS, DO WE NEED TO DEFER ANYTHING TO.
BASED ON THE CASH FLOW? NO, WE CAN DO.
IT WOULD DRIVE HOW MUCH YOU'D HAVE TO BOUGHT, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH WE'D HAVE TO LOAN SHORT TERM OR. AND HOW MUCH YOU WOULD BORROW.
LOOK, IF WE WANTED TO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND DO EVERYTHING IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, YOU'D BE BORROWING MORE.
RIGHT. SO, I MEAN, AGAIN, YOU GOT TO KNOW, WHAT IS IT? IF YOU WANTED TO ADD ADDITIONAL PROJECTS, OBVIOUSLY IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE CASH FLOW. IF YOU WANTED TO ADD PROJECTS, THAT'S. YEAH, BUT ONE THING I WANT TO POINT OUT JUST REAL QUICK, YOU KNOW, MONEY. MONEY IS NOT FREE. YOU HAVE TO PAY INTEREST ON THAT.
SO THERE'S PROBABLY AN ADDITIONAL $2 MILLION ON TOP OF WHATEVER YOU DO, WHETHER IT'S YOU GO THE BOND ROUTE OR YOU GO TO TIP FINANCING THAT, THAT'S GOING TO BE ADDED TO THE TOTAL COST OF THAT. SO THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL $2 MILLION TO TAKE OFF THAT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CLEAR AS WELL.
BUT IF YOU ADD PROJECTS, OBVIOUSLY THE CASH FLOW IS GOING TO LOOK A LITTLE DIFFERENT. OR IF YOU SUBTRACT PROJECTS THAT WILL ADD MORE CASH BACK INTO THE CASH FLOW.
IS THERE A SCENARIO WHERE WE NEED EMERGENCY PROJECTS IN THE CRA? IF WE HAD A MAJOR HURRICANE COME THROUGH WITH INFRASTRUCTURE, OR WOULD WE BE STUCK OR.
LIFE SAFETY IS THE REASON WE HAVE OUR GENERAL FUND RESERVES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TAKING CARE OF THOSE THINGS.
BUT OBVIOUSLY THE GOAL IS AT THE END OF LIFE AT THE CRA, THERE SHOULD BE $0 LEFT BECAUSE WHATEVER'S REMAINING WILL GO BACK TO EACH OF THE ENTITIES. THE TOWN WILL BE A BENEFICIARY, ALONG WITH THE COUNTY, WHATEVER FUNDS ARE LEFT OVER.
I THINK THERE'S. WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF ACTIVITY. WE HAVEN'T BEEN COMING UP WITH PROJECTS.
WE HAVE A VISION. WE UPDATED THE PLAN, THE MASTER PLAN FOR THIS. IT'S VERY BROAD. IT ALLOWS US TO DO A LOT. IT ALLOWS US TO GO FOR GRANTS FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. THAT WAS THE POINT, WAS THE FLEXIBILITY. THERE ARE VERY FEW THINGS IT DOESN'T ALLOW US TO DO.
BUT WHAT IS OUR VISION FOR THE CRA? DO WE HAVE A VISION THAT GENERATES PROJECTS THAT USES THAT BALANCE? AND IF NOT, AND GIVEN OUR CONDITIONS TODAY, OUR EXISTING CONDITIONS AROUND CONVERSATIONS AROUND AFFORDABILITY AND OTHERS, DO WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, USE IT ON LAND ACQUISITION, THESE PROJECTS, OR WE CAN AMEND THIS LIST. I MEAN, I WAS CONFUSED BECAUSE WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS AROUND RIVERWALK CONNECTIONS AND OVER WATER CONNECTIONS, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE KIND OF SHOT IT DOWN AT ONE POINT. SO.
BUT IT'S IN HERE, IT'S IN THE CIP. THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IT UP AT ONE POINT. SO WE NEED CLARITY.
YOU TALKED ABOUT VISION, AND THAT'S WHY I SAID THIS LAST TIME, IS JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, ON DECEMBER 17, 24, WE WERE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THE VISION BECAUSE WE REVISED THE CRA PLAN. RIGHT. AND THEN THE CRA PLAN GOES TO THE COUNTY.
AND THEN TO THE DEGREE THEY AGREE WITH IT, THEN EVERYTHING THAT WE DO, IF IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THAT PLAN, THEN THERE'S AGREEMENT THAT IT'S A LEGITIMATE. AND I WENT THROUGH THIS EXERCISE TO CITE HOW MANY REFERENCES IN THE CRA PLAN UPDATE WERE MADE TO ACQUISITION OF SUNY SANDS AND DOING ADDITIONAL WORK RELATED TO THAT. SO I ALSO SAY THAT IF, IN FACT, IT IS TO EVEN HAPPEN AND WE ACQUIRE THE SITE, IN ADDITION TO, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT
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OF POTENTIAL CRA PROJECTS ON THAT SITE. THERE'S A BULKHEAD THAT IS, YOU KNOW, NEEDS TO BE, YOU KNOW, TO BE MADE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, THE PARK PART OF IT, IF YOU WILL. RIGHT. SO THERE'S, THERE'S ALL OF THAT, BUT IT'S ALL CONTINGENT UPON WHETHER WE GET TO THE POINT OF ACTUALLY ACQUIRING IT.BUT IF EVERYBODY HADN'T SEEN, I MEAN, I CAN ASK STAFF TO.
AND ACTUALLY, I HAD WORKED WITH TREASURE COAST TO CONFIRM, LIKE, BECAUSE THEY REMEMBER, THEY WERE OUR CONSULTANTS ON EVERYTHING WE'D PUT IN THERE. AND AS I WAS WAITING TO GET A RESPONSE, I PREPARED IT. AND WHAT I GOT BACK WAS ABSOLUTE AGREEMENT WITH THE MYRIAD OF REFERENCES I MADE TO ENVIRONMENTAL ENHANCEMENT, ARCHAEOLOGICAL HERITAGE SITE, THE RIVERWALK TERMINAL VISTA, AN ARCHEOLOGICAL HERITAGE SITE, ON AND ON AND ON. SO IT REALLY MATCHES THE VISION IT IS.
I MEAN, THERE IS A VISION, BUT ANOTHER. I VIEW IT DIFFERENTLY.
I VIEW IT AS TRYING TO GIVE THE COMMISSION FLEXIBILITY TO HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS INCLUDED IN THAT PLAN THAT HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT. SOME, YOU KNOW, JUST. I DON'T THINK IT'S ESPECIALLY SPECIFIC BY DESIGN. I THINK IT'S TRYING TO GIVE THE COMMISSION FLEXIBILITY AND BE A CATCH ALL.
IN SOME WAYS IT DOES CERTAINLY INCLUDE LAND ACQUISITION AND FOCUS ON THAT IN ADDITION TO A GREAT NUMBER OF THINGS.
IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL CRA PROJECTS THAT COME FORWARD AS A RESULT OF LAND ACQUISITION AROUND THAT PROPERTY, WOULD THAT BE ABLE. WOULD YOU USE BOND MONEY FOR THAT OR CRA MONEY AND HOW WOULD YOU PLAN FOR THAT LONG TERM? LIKE WHAT WE NEED TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE FOR THIS MONEY AS WE GET TOWARDS SUNSET HERE AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO USE IT? YEAH, I MEAN IF WE GO FOR LAND ACQUISITION AND THEN WE HAVE BULKHEAD, WHAT ARE THE COSTS THERE? WHAT ARE THE PROJECTS AND WHAT MONEY COULD GO TO FUND THEM? IF BOND MONEY CAN'T GO TO FUND THOSE BUT CAN GO TO FUND LAND ACQUISITION, WOULD IT NOT MAKE SENSE TO USE A BOND FOR LAND ACQUISITION AND CRA FUNDS FOR ALL THE PROJECTS THAT COME AFTER? BUT WE HAVE A DEADLINE.
I MEAN WE'VE GOT TO BE ON IT BECAUSE IT'S 2035 THAT THE SUN SETS AND IT'S USE OR LOSE. IS THIS CORRECT, DR.
ALLEN? AND WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO ON THIS IN TERMS OF PROJECTS. IT'S ONE WAY TO SPEND DOWN THE AMOUNT. LAND ACQUISITION, ABSOLUTELY. I THINK THAT'S A HUGE POINT IN FAVOR OF THAT APPROACH.
I WANT TO SAY, AND THIS IS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY FOR PROBABLY TWO DECADES. SO IT SPANS A LOT OF DIFFERENT CRA COMMISSIONS.
BUT ONE THING WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS WHEN THE CRA IS SUNSETTED, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE LEGACY PROJECTS OF MAINTENANCE THAT WERE NEGLECTED BECAUSE WATERFRONT IS EXPENSIVE, WHICH IS WHY SOME OF THESE PROJECTS FIT RIGHT TO THE SOME OF THEM, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE DONE NEXT YEAR OR THE YEAR AFTER. SOME OF THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE STARTING TO SHOW UP WHERE, YOU KNOW, A BULKHEAD IS FAILING AND WE'RE GOING TO COME UP AND REINFORCE IT, I CAN TELL YOU AS A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER IT'S NOT AN URGENCY, BUT IT IS SOMETHING BEFORE WE FINISH IT AND MORE WILL SHOW UP.
IT'S WATERFRONT. AND MORE WILL SHOW UP INDEFINITELY, WHICH IS WHY THOSE ARE GIVEN.
BUT AGAIN, JUST FROM A SCHEDULED PRIORITY.
IT'S NOT A PRIORITY. BUT BEFORE THE CRA IS DONE, THOSE ARE THE ABSOLUTE ONES WE WANT TO DO. BECAUSE WHEN THE CRA SUNSETS AND WHILE REVENUES THEN GO BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND NOW, THE OBLIGATION TO DO THE MAINTENANCE WOULD NOW BECOME.
WE'D RATHER NOT BE INHERITING A BUNCH OF UNFINISHED MAINTENANCE.
AND SOME OF THESE PROJECTS SPEAK TO MAINTENANCE LIKE THE USER EXPERIENCE OF THE RIVERWALK RIGHT NOW IS NOT GREAT. IT DOES NEED SOME FRESHENING UP. AND SO ONE OF THE PROJECTS ADDED PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS. I WOULDN'T WANT TO DEFER THAT. IT'S MAINTENANCE, SMALL MAINTENANCE OF A LOT OF USER AMENITIES THAT WE HAVE THERE THAT NEED SOME ATTENTION.
EVERYTHING DOWN THERE, IT'S IN THE MOST HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT YOU CAN IMAGINE. IT'S SALT WATER, OCEAN FRONT. IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO DETERIORATE. SO, I THINK WE IN DANGER OF LOSING FLEXIBILITY ON A LOT OF THE MAINTENANCE ISSUES.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD SPEND THE AMOUNT THAT WE NEED TO SPEND BY THE DEADLINE WITHOUT LAND ACQUISITION POTENTIALLY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE VISION IS HERE FOR PROJECT GENERATION TO ACCOMPLISH OUR GOALS.
BESIDE THAT, TONIGHT PROJECTS GET PROPOSED EVERY YEAR AND EVERY YEAR WE LOOK AT THEM THEN.
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SO HOW ABOUT IF WE JUST QUICKLY RUN DOWN THROUGH THE LIST AND JUST KIND OF TALK ABOUT EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY? BECAUSE I SAY LIKE GOING BACK TO WHERE YOU ARE JUST TO SEE IF THERE'S KIND OF A.YEAH, WE'RE GOING THE PAGES AFTER MR. REYNOLDS BECAUSE IT KIND OF SHOWS US, RIGHT. THIS IS STABILIZATION AND INSTALLATION OF THE LIVING SHORELINE. SO, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT BELONGS IN. I'M NOT TRYING TO DICTATE HERE. I'M JUST TRYING TO SUGGEST THIS IS SOMETHING THAT BELONGS IN.
SOMETHING THAT WE'LL SPEND BEFORE THE CRA SUNSETS.
BUT IF WE ONLY HAD $1 TO SPEND, COULD IT BE DEFERRED? YES, IT COULD BE JUST AN OPINION. DOES ANYBODY AND PEOPLE GOT DIFFERENT OPINIONS ABOUT THAT.
BUT LET'S SEE IF THERE ARE ANY NICE TO HAVES. THAT'S A DIFFERENT KIND OF POSSIBLE DEFERRAL. RIGHT.
YOU WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT ONE AGAIN, STABILIZING A RIVERWALK WALL.
RIGHT. THAT'S A HAVE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THE CRA EXPIRES. WE DON'T WANT TO INHERIT, YOU KNOW, NOT TO MENTION IT.
SO, THIS ONE WE HAD IN FACT PRIORITIZED GIVEN DIRECTION AT A CRA MEETING THAT THE PRIORITY OF THIS WAS THE PUBLIC SAFETY DOCK AND THE CONTINUATION OF THE RIVERWALK. WHILE IT'S NICE TO HAVE AND MAY EVERYBODY MAY WANT IT, THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY DOCKS. I THINK THE DIRECTION WE HAD WAS, WE'VE ALREADY GIVEN WAS PROCEED WITH THE PUBLIC SAFETY DOCK PIECE BECAUSE EVEN THE RIVERWALK THEN WAS SUBJECT TO A FINE GRANT. SO THAT'S A LEVERAGE DOLLAR. SO THEY'RE IN.
THIS ONE HAD TWO PIECES TO IT, YOU KNOW, ONE THAT IS SUBJECT TO LEASE TO FIND GRANT. BY THE WAY, I TALKED TO FIND RECENTLY AND I WAS ASKING THEM WHAT DID THEY THINK ABOUT AMENDMENT 3. AND WHAT THEY TOLD ME WAS NOT A.
THEY FIGURED THAT WELL, THEY'RE FIGURING THAT GOVERNMENT'S GOING TO DO A LOT LESS PROJECTS AND THEREFORE THEY'LL HAVE LESS GRANTS TO GIVE OUT. THAT WAS THEIR ANSWER MAYBE SOME TO THAT. I WAS THINKING THEY WERE GOING TO BE PANICKED ABOUT IT.
I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT THEY ACTUALLY WHAT THEY SAID TO ME BUT JUST SOMEBODY SAYING IT.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S SOME. WELL THAT COMFORTED ME TO SOME DEGREE. IF IT WAS. IF THAT SPECULATION WAS TRUE, THAT MEANS HAVING A CRA. WE STILL MAY HAVE THE SAME TRACK RECORD ON SECURING GRANTS.
RIGHT. WHICH IS LEVERAGING DOLLAR CERTAINLY THESE ARE GOOD THINGS TO HAVE BUT IF IT WAS YOUR LAST DOLLAR YOU HAD.
YEAH, BUT THEY'RE ON THE FRINGE OF NECESSITY. WE COULD DELAY.
I PUT THIS IN THE SAME CATEGORY. YOU KNOW I'D HAVE TO.
SOME OF THESE ARE MAYBE SPECIFICS THAT I SAY WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO DO.
BUT YOU KNOW, WITH LED LIGHTING IS THAT ADDITIONAL LIGHTING, REPLACING LIGHTING BENCHES, ARE THEY REPLACING BENCHES THAT ARE DETERIORATING? TRASH RECEPTACLE IS ALWAYS IMPORTANT. IS IT. IS THAT MORE OF A MAINTENANCE THING OR IS IT ADDITIONAL? DEFINITELY ADDRESS THAT.
STEPHANIE THOBURN PLANNING AND ZONING THIS IS TO ADDRESS IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE MORE THAN NEEDED DUE TO THE 20 YEAR AGE.
IT HAS BEEN PACKAGED SO THAT IT MEETS THE CRA PLAN BUT IT IS TO ADDRESS THINGS THAT RAILINGS, LIGHTING, THE WEAR, AND TEAR OF THINGS AS WELL AS THE. THE SHADE STRUCTURE BY COASTAL WAY THAT IS IN NEED OF REPAIR AS WELL. SO THIS WAS ACTUALLY GENERATED AND HAS BEEN PRESENTED AS A REVIEW FROM PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING AS THEY WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE RIVERWALK AND PREPARED THE SCOPE FOR YOU AFTER LAST YEAR'S DISCUSSION.
BUT THIS ONE IS 3/4 MILLION DOLLARS. CORRECT. SO WE'VE BEEN. I MEAN THE WAY I JUST
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LOOK AT IT IS WE JUST DISCOVERED THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE IT'S ALMOST LIKE I CAN LIVE WITHOUT ANYTHING IN THE SHORT TERM, YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY.SO I DON'T. I APPRECIATE STAFF PROPOSING THAT ITEM BUT IT'S KIND OF HARD FOR ME TO BELIEVE LIKE OH MY GOSH, WE GOT TO DO IT THIS YEAR. WE DON'T HAVE TO GET INTO THIS STATE. WE'RE JUST DISCUSSING THIS HERE. I JUST, I'M GIVING. WE'RE GONNA YOU KNOW, AMENDMENT THREE PASSES.
WE'RE GONNA MAKE DECISIONS WAY BEYOND WHAT WE DID IN PAUSING. THAT'S THE HARD PART.
SITTING HERE THAT 60 DAYS THAT WE STILL DON'T KNOW YET, YEAH, I THINK IT'S MORE. I MEAN AMENDMENT 3 LOOMS LARGE.
ABSOLUTELY. AND IT WILL IMPACT.
BUT YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND IT'S SOMEWHAT MINIMAL HERE IN RELATION TO OUR REGULAR CIP AND BUDGET.
AND SO I JUST THINK IT'S MORE OF WHAT'S OUR LONG TERM VISION AND VIEW OF THE CRA AND WHAT IT'S MEANT TO DO. SO ARE WE, YOU KNOW, ARE WE SPENDING IT DOWN LAND ACQUISITION, TIE UP A FEW PROJECTS, CALL IT A DAY.
PART OF THIS AND I'LL GET A GRANT. THAT PART OF THIS WAS THERE'S AN OUTSTANDING ASK OF STAFF TO COME UP WITH THE MAINTENANCE IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE TO DO, WHICH IS THIS FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY.
SO, THEY DID WHAT WE ASKED, BUT NOW IT'S FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT YOU MIGHT MOVE IT OUT TWO YEARS OR SO. I'M JUST USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE RIGHT HERE. SO, WE DON'T. THE POINT IS WE DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING BECAUSE I WOULD SUBMIT MAYBE THAT'S AN OUTSTANDING ACTION ITEM IS GO AHEAD AND PUT TOGETHER, HAVE STAFF AND THEN THIS IS GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME.
BUT NOW KNOWING THAT THERE'S 10 YEARS LEFT, LESS THAN 10 YEARS PUT UP, WHAT ARE THE MAINTENANCE. YOU KNOW, IT'S 20 YEARS OLD.
LET'S PUT EVERYTHING ON THE LIST TO KIND OF HAVE A RULE SO WE CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT THAT IS. RIGHT? YEAH. WHAT'S THE RATE OF DETERIORATION AND WHAT IS IMPACT BY DELAYING IT TOO? SO YEAH, I'D WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO I THINK SOME OF THIS HERE IS MAYBE NICE TO HAVE, BUT SOME OF IT'S NEED TO HAVE. THERE ARE BROKEN LIGHTS, THERE ARE THINGS THAT NEED REPAIR AND REPLACE AND IT IS AFFECTING THE USER EXPERIENCE OF THE RIVERWALK AND IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP FOR YEARS. SO THIS IS. I HAD REQUESTED PART OF THIS JUST TO LOOK AT MAINTENANCE BECAUSE WE HAD GOTTEN A FEW RESIDENT COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT. SO THIS COMES FROM IT. THERE MAY BE NICE TO HAVES IN THIS, THE BUDGET MAY BE ABLE TO BE BROUGHT DOWN, BUT SOME OF IT IS REPLACING BROKEN LIGHTS AND THINGS THAT ARE 20 YEARS OLD THAT ARE NO LONGER WORKING.
AND THAT DOCK IS STILL BOTHERING ME. I KNOW IT'S NOT OURS, BUT I MEAN THERE ARE THINGS THAT JUST ARE NOT WORKING ANYMORE.
LIGHTING IS A MAJOR SAFETY ISSUE ALSO. SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD NOT WANT TO TAKE THAT OUT. I WOULD DEFER TO STAFF. THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS IS WHAT THEY DO, THEIR EXPERTISE. I'M NOT GOING TO. I MEAN YOU WANT TO COME UP WITH LIKE A MASTER LIST LIKE HERE FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS? YEARS MAYOR WELL, NO, I WAS JUST SUGGESTING. LOOK, WE'RE CONVERSE, WE'RE CONVERGING AROUND ONE THING WE NEED TO HAVE CONSENSUS ON IS JUST WHAT'S THE TOTALITY OF PROJECTS WE'D HAVE.
AND I WAS JUST SUGGESTING THAT.
WELL, STAFF WITH THIS ONE EMERGING THIS YEAR WAS ONE OF.
IT'S A VALID ONE, BUT THERE MAY BE A HOST OF OTHER ONES.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TOTALITY, BUT I KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT IF WE ACQUIRE SUNY SANDS, I'M GOING TO RANK BULKHEAD REPLACEMENT PRETTY HIGH UP THERE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T PUT PUBLIC ON THAT SITE WITHOUT DOING IT. RIGHT. AND TO ACQUIRE A SITE THAT CAN'T BE USED WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. RIGHT. SO. BUT AGAIN, WELL, SO FOR EXAMPLE, RIVERWALK CONNECTION, THE LAST ONE DOES MENTION OVER WATER CONSTRUCTION IN OUTER YEARS, BUT 2028 HAS THE 625 AND THAT'S FOR STUDIES TO UNDERSTAND IF THAT MAKES SENSE. IT MAY NOT, BUT WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE THE SURVEYS OR STUDIES. SO MAYBE THAT'S PART OF THIS EXERCISE HERE WHERE WE'RE LOOKING YEARS AGO. AND I DIDN'T THINK IT MADE SENSE.
IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS COST PROHIBITIVE HOW MUCH IT WAS, HOW MUCH IT WAS GOING TO BE USED.
AND THERE'S MANGROVES THERE, THERE'S ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES AND THEN THE TWO BUSINESSES THAT ARE THERE, I MEAN YOU HAVE A WEDDING, A WEDDING, AND I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR ANY PARTICULAR BUSINESS, BUT YOU HAVE A WEDDING VENUE LOCATION AND YOU'D HAVE THE GENERAL PUBLIC WALKING RIGHT IN FRONT OF PRIVATE WEDDINGS.
I AGREE AND I AGREED WITH YOU AT THE TIME AND I REMEMBER THAT, BUT I DIDN'T, I DON'T BELIEVE STAFF WAS ON THE SAME PAGE OR GOT THAT CLEAR DIRECTION FROM US THAT THAT WASN'T A FAVORITE PROJECT.
THAT'S WHY WE, THAT'S WHY IT CURRENTLY EXISTS IN THE CIP. SO IN TALKING TO STAFF, I LEARNED LIKE SOME LOCATIONS OR DIFFERENT JETTIES HAS NO MARINE LIFE OVER THERE AND COULD BENEFIT FROM IMPROVEMENTS, JUST LIKE SAWFISH BAY. SAWFISH BAY IS AN EXPERIMENT IN A WAY. WE'VE
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GOTTEN TO TRY SO MANY NEW THINGS AND SO MANY SMALL FISH AND TURTLES ARE THERE NOW WHERE THEY DIDN'T USED TO BE. SO, YOU KNOW, SOME AREAS MIGHT BENEFIT, OTHERS MAY NOT.BUT THAT WAS PART OF THE SAND FLAT RIGHT THERE THOUGH.
BUT IF WE'RE NOT DOING IT, IT'S THE ONLY THING. THERE IS SOME SEAGRASS A LITTLE BIT.
BUT THAT OVER FIVE YEARS, THE RIVERWALK CONNECTION ITEM IS $6 MILLION. WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.
I'M GOING TO TAKE A. TAKE A PERSONAL ACTION OUT OF THIS.
JUST FOR MYSELF, I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THE COA PLAN UPDATE WE DID TWO YEARS AGO BECAUSE I DON'T RECOLLECT WE MADE. I THINK WE RECOGNIZED IT WASN'T A PRIORITY AND I DON'T THINK IT WAS. THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T REALLY. THAT'S RIGHT, WE DIDN'T.
I'LL BE STUNNED IF IT'S IN THERE BECAUSE WHEN SOMEONE SAYS GIVE, DIDN'T GIVE DIRECTION, USUALLY I'M NOT ACCUSED OF THAT. I MAY HAVE THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS AN OPINION, BUT I USUALLY GIVE THE OPINION.
COULD STAFF SPEAK TO THIS? I KNOW WE'VE GOT CRA STAFF HERE WHO WORKED ON THAT PLAN.
SO, THE CRA PLAN, THE SUMMARY OF PROJECTS INCLUDES JUPITER RIVER WALK, SUN TRAIL SECTION AND THEN INLET VILLAGE SECTION AND THE COMPLETION AND MISSING LINKS OF THOSE SECTIONS.
THAT'S WHY WE BROUGHT THIS FORWARD. SO, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE AN EASEMENT FOR PELICAN CLUB, FOR EXAMPLE, BEHIND THE BACKSIDE, WE'RE MISSING A COUPLE OF EASEMENTS IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT INLET VILLAGE SECTION CONTIGUOUS. THE RIVERWALK SECTION THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED WAS THE SECTION THAT WENT FROM BURT REYNOLDS ACROSS AND THAT WAS THE VERY EXPENSIVE SECTION THAT WOULD GO THROUGH MANGROVES.
BUT BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE SUN TRAIL PROGRAM, CONNECTING SUN TRAIL WILL NOW CONNECT FROM HARBORSIDE NORTH OF HARBORSIDE TO THE INLET VILLAGE. AND THAT SAVING THE TOWN A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY. AND THE ONLY SECTIONS THAT WOULD BE LEFT TO HAVE A CONTIGUOUS FOUR MILE RIVERWALK WOULD BE THE TWO SECTIONS. THERE'S REALLY THREE SECTIONS. TWO SECTIONS, ONE BY PELICAN CLUB, ANOTHER ALONG CASTAWAYS TO SUNNY SANDS, WHICH WOULD BE MORE UPLAND, AND THEN THE SECTION FROM THE US ONE BRIDGE THAT'S IN THE US ONE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO, WE LOOKED AT THOSE IN FUTURE YEARS.
BUT IT IS NOTICED IN THE FRONT PORTION AS RIVERWALK, JUPITER RIVERWALK, INLET VILLAGE SECTION AFTER SUN TRAIL.
CAN YOU TAKE AN ACTION ITEM FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMISSION AND THE COUNCIL? I'M WELL AWARE BECAUSE I'M ON THE, YOU KNOW, MPO ABOUT THE SUN TRAIL FUNDING THAT HASN'T BEEN ESTABLISHED, BUT IT HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED AS A SIGNIFICANT PRIORITY. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK TO, YOU KNOW, TO GET THAT QUEUED IN LINE. IT'S EXCITING, YOU KNOW, WHICH WOULD MEAN, AS YOU JUST SAID, IF IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, THEY'RE GOING TO FUND IT.
SO THEY'RE IN. LET'S DEFINE THAT CLEARLY SO THAT THE COMMISSION KNOWS THAT AND THEN.
OKAY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DEBATE ABOUT IT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO COVER IT BECAUSE THE LOGICAL WOULD BE THROUGH THIS SUN TRAIL PROGRAM, END OF SUBJECT FOR CRA. RIGHT. AND THEN YOU WOULD. AND THEN DEFINE IN THAT SAME, YOU KNOW, REPORT SUMMARY THE ONES THAT YOU THINK STILL COULD BE LEFT. BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF US WERE TALKING ABOUT THE OVER WATER PIECE WHICH IS COST PROHIBITIVE AND SUN TRAIL IS NOT DOING THAT.
CORRECT. BECAUSE PART OF THE MAIN REASON WHY WE WEREN'T LOOKING AT THAT RIVERWALK SECTION THAT WENT THROUGH HARBOR, THAT WENT THROUGH BURT REYNOLDS IS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE A LANDING ACROSS THE WAY BECAUSE THAT'S AN UNINCORPORATED PALM BEACH COUNTY. SO, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY EASEMENT AND WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY DISCUSSIONS THAT WERE MEANINGFUL WITH ANYONE WHO WOULD BE WILLING TO.
BUT YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE EXISTING FIXED BRIDGES THAT IF WHEN THE SUN TRAIL COMES IT WILL BE A 12 FOOT WIDE SHARED USE PATH COMPLETELY SEPARATED FROM THE TRAVEL LANE.
WELL, I THINK WE COULD POTENTIALLY BRING THIS FORWARD LANDING. ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO COMMENT? I MEAN I GUESS WE'VE THERE SEEMED TO BE A CONSENSUS
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ON A FUNDING APPROACH. THAT MEANS THAT THE FINANCE DIRECTOR WOULD HAVE TO BE POISED ON 90 DAY NOTICE TO GET THE FUNDS AND IT MAY BE AN INTERIM FROM RESERVES. BUT THE INTENTION IS WE'RE GIVEN IS NO, BUT YOU WOULD BE GETTING SOME TIME OF SOME TYPE OF FUNDING MECHANISM. SO WE'RE NOT DOING WITHOUT IT IN OUR RESERVES. THERE'S A CONSENSUS ON THAT. RIGHT.DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO ASK STAFF TO PULL TOGETHER BASICALLY A STRAW MAN CIPHER PROJECT THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE FUNDING FOR THE LAND ITSELF, BUT ALSO ALL THE AMENITIES WHERE IT'S A BULKHEAD, PARK BENCHES, ALL THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. SO WE KNOW THE TOTAL COST BECAUSE WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS BUY THE PROPERTY AND FEEL LIKE WE GOT ANOTHER SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS COMING UP WHERE WE HAVE NOW WE HAVE TO DO ALL THESE ADDITIONAL THINGS TO MAKE IT SO THE PUBLIC CAN HAVE ACCESS TO IT.
THAT WAS ONE OF MY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT PULLING ON THE MONEY.
SO I HAD ASKED FOR THAT AND PEOPLE AND A MAJORITY WERE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH PROCEEDING WITH THAT BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN I THOUGHT WE SHOULD BE WORKING ON THAT, BUT IT WAS AN UNCOMFORTED TO DO THAT WHICH EXCEPT BECAUSE WE NEED ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY OR TO THE.
WHATEVER THE REASONS WERE, IT DOESN'T MATTER. I'M JUST SAYING. SO THE SAME.
BUT LOOK, THIS IS SEPTEMBER 8TH. IT'S A WORKSHOP, I AGREE COMPLETELY. NEEDS TO GET IT IN THERE.
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE MORE GIVEN DIRECTION TO START COBBLING TOGETHER THE INFORMATION THAT WE CAN COME BACK AND EITHER AMEND THIS DURING THE YEAR TO ADD THAT. I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE, BUT.
BUT IT CAN'T BE DONE IN TWO WEEKS TIME. THAT'S AN UNREALISTIC EXPECTATION.
WE, WE WILL BE, I WILL SAY WE'LL BE NIMBLE TO REACT AS YOU JUST INDICATED.
FOR IF WE HAVE TO MOVE WITHIN THREE MONTHS TO SET UP THE FUNDING, WE WILL, WE WILL WORK TO GET THAT DONE.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN FRONT OF US TODAY IN TERMS OF A PROJECT FOR SHOPS OF JUPITER, IN TERMS OF A SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT THAT WE NEED TO ACT UPON. NONE OF THAT IS BEFORE US TODAY EITHER. AND WE DON'T KNOW THE TIMELINE OF THAT. SO, WHAT COULD WE DO TODAY WITH WHAT'S BEFORE US AND IN FUTURE READINGS? WELL, THIS IS A WORKSHOP, SO IT WASN'T. SO WE COULD JUST GIVE, TO BASICALLY GIVE DIRECTIONS TO BRING IT BACK FOR THE OFFICIAL ADOPTION, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT. ON THE 22ND.
AND YOU MENTIONED ANOTHER PROJECT WHICH I THINK IT'S PREMATURE TO BRING UP. WE NEED TO BE AWARE ABOUT JUST NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAD.
THAT'S ANOTHER PROJECT THAT I DIDN'T USE THE WORDS, BUT COMMISSIONER SUNDSTROM DID.
NO, NO, JUST TO BE CAREFUL HERE. RIGHT.
BECAUSE YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, WE FUNDED AS A CRA, BUT YOU KNOW, AS COUNSELORS, WE'RE THE ONES THAT WOULD BE WORKING ON THAT PROJECT. SO IT'S KIND OF AWKWARD. CAN YOU, COULD YOU ADD A SHEET FOR.
BUT EVEN THAT WE WANT TO BE CAREFUL ON WITH HOW WE COIN IT ON THE SUNY SANDS ACQUISITION.
I JUST BRING IT UP BECAUSE SIMPLY WE ENTERED INTO A SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT THAT HAS THAT OBLIGATION. THE OBLIGATION, IF IT'S GOING TO OCCUR, WILL OCCUR IN THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR.
THEREFORE, IT SEEMS LIKE IT MAKES SENSE THAT YOU WOULD JUST AT LEAST HAVE A SHEET AND YOU COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT WERE TO HAPPEN, HERE'S HOW WE WOULD, HERE'S THE OPTIONS WE HAVE.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WE CAN DO THAT.
AND THEN STAFF, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO WORK ON AND AT SOME POINT, WHENEVER THE COUNCIL MAJORITY IS COMFORTABLE TO WORK ON THE SCOPE ITEMS WE'D HAVE TO DO WITH THAT SITE, THE BULKHEAD. AGAIN, SOME WERE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH PROCEEDING. SO STAFF DIDN'T.
IF YOU'RE IN NEGOTIATIONS FOR SOMETHING, IT'S REASONABLE TO BE PREPARED FOR THE OUTCOME, GOOD OR BAD.
YEAH. DO YOU HAVE CLEAR ENOUGH DIRECTION I DO.
WE WILL PREPARE A SEPARATE SHEET FOR THE ANY ISSUANCE THAT THAT MAY BE NECESSARY. NOT A PROBLEM. AND WE'LL SEE YOU ON THE 22ND WITH THE BUDGET WITH FOR THE CRA.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. AND THAT'S ALL WE HAD ON THE YES, SIR. THIS IS A WORKSHOP. SO THE TIME IS 6:49 NOW AND WE'LL ADJOURN THE MEETING. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT CAME IN, OUR COUNCIL MEETING STARTS AT 7PM AND IT'S A UNIQUE MEETING BECAUSE THE FIRST ITEM UP IS IN FACT A BUDGET.
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AGENDA ITEMS AND CITIZEN COMMENTS. SO, LET'S SEE AT 7 O'CLOCK.* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.