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>> GOOD EVENING. THE TIME IS NOW 6:42,
[Call To Order]
AND I'LL CALL TO ORDER THE TOWN COUNCIL WORKSHOP THURSDAY, AUGUST 21.MAY WE BEGIN WITH A ROLL CALL, PLEASE?
>> ACTING TOWN ATTORNEY ASHLEY.
>> I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE NO CITIZEN COMMENTS, CORRECT?
[1. Presentation - Town of Jupiter Fiscal Year 2026-2030 Community Investment Program Budget Workshop.]
>> SEEING NONE. WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE ONLY ITEM ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
IT'S A PRESENTATION ON THE UPDATED DRAFT OF THE 26 THROUGH 30 CIP PROGRAM BUDGET.
I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE TO THE STAFF AND TO THE PUBLIC.
THE ANNUAL BUDGET PLANNING PROCESS IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT TIME INVESTMENT FOR OUR STAFF.
COUNCIL, WE'VE HAD ONE MEETING.
WE'VE HAD PRIOR UPDATED INFORMATION TO KICK US OFF AS WELL.
I UNDERSTAND THAT STAFF HAVE RECEIVED MORE COUNSEL QUESTIONS THAN EVER.
I JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT, CLEARLY, IN MY VIEW, AS IT HAS BEEN IN EACH CONSECUTIVE YEAR, WE'VE BEEN GETTING MORE COMPREHENSIVE RESPONSES THAN EVER.
I KNOW IT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WORK.
I PERSONALLY AM A BELIEVER BY ENLARGE.
ALL CAPITAL INVESTMENTS ARE DISCRETIONARY.
IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY, WE'D BE ABLE TO DEFER MOST ITEMS. JUST LOOKING AHEAD, WE HAVE MORE UNCERTAINTY IN THE FUTURE WITH REGARD TO WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN OUT OF THE LEGISLATURE AND GOVERNOR NEXT YEAR.
WE'RE TAKING A MUCH CLOSER, VIEW AND GOING TO BE EXERTING OUR INPUT ON AS TO PRIORITIES, THAT DOESN'T MEAN IF A P IF A PROJECT GETS DEFERRED TO IT'S NOT IMPORTANT TO US, BUT WE'RE GOING TO COLLECTIVELY ALONG WITH WHAT STAFF HAS DONE,, TRY TO COME UP WITH WHAT IS WITH EACH DOLLAR, WHAT SINGLE ITEM WE NEED TO SPEND INVESTED IN.
FURTHER, WE'VE REALIZED WE HAVE A LOT OF FUNDING.
WE'RE GOING TO JUST SO THIS IS A WORKSHOP.
AGAIN, FOR THE NEWER MEMBERS, WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS WHAT HAPPENS HERE.
STAFF WILL RESPOND TO IT WITH BOTH HERE TONIGHT IF AND AS APPROPRIATE, AND THEN BETWEEN NOW AND THE FIRST MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, WHEN WE SEE THE CIP BACK BEFORE US, WHICH COMES TO US TWICE.
BUT THIS IS REALLY AN ACCELERATED PROCESS, SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE I WAS JUST PREFACING COMMENTS THAT I MAY MAKE LATER, BUT THAT I'M GRATEFUL FOR ALL THE GREAT WORK.
WITH THAT, I TURN IT OVER TO OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. COUNCIL. GOOD EVENING.
AGAIN, WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS THIS EVENING AS THE FISCAL YEAR 2026 PROPOSED UPDATE TO THE OPERATING BUDGET.
THE LAST TIME THAT YOU SAW IT WAS BACK IN JUNE.
WE'VE HAD SOME UPDATES SINCE THEN.
BUT THE BIG STAR OF THE SHOW TONIGHT IS THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT PLAN BUDGET FOR THE WORKSHOP THIS EVENING.
WITH THAT, WE'LL JUST JUMP RIGHT IN.
THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE CIP OR THE UPDATE OF THE OPERATING BUDGET.
THE CIP TOTAL AND COST, AND THE FUNDING, THESE FUNDING STRATEGIES, AND SOME OF THE STRATEGIC ITEMS AND THE ITEMS WITHIN THE CIP, AS WE FUND THINGS BY FUND, OR WE GROUP THEM.
WE HAVE A GENERAL FUND, WHICH WILL CONSIST OF PUBLIC SAFETY, PLANNING AND ZONING, AND ENGINEERING PROJECTS.
THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE WATER FUND, AS YOU'RE AWARE, THOSE PROJECTS ARE FUNDED EXCLUSIVELY FROM USER RATES.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE TO EMPHASIZE THAT THOSE RATES THAT ARE BUILT OUT MONTHLY TO OUR CUSTOMERS AND COLLECTED.
THOSE FUNDS ARE USED FOR THESE CAPITAL INVESTMENTS WITHIN THE WATER FUND AND ALSO FOR THE STORMWATER FUND.
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YOU CAN ALSO SEE HERE, SR TAX FUNDING.WE'LL TALK ABOUT EXCUSE ME, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT THIS EVENING.
BUT THEN WE'LL SUMMARIZE AND TALK ABOUT THE STRATEGIC INITIATIVES OF THE COUNCIL AND HOW THESE PROJECTS DOVETAIL INTO THOSE STRATEGIC ITEMS. THE UPDATE OF THE OPERATING BUDGET.
WE HAD A WORKSHOP ON JUNE 18, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, AND THERE'S BEEN SOME MOVEMENT.
AS YOU ARE AWARE, WE HAD THE SETTING OF THE TRIM, FOR WHICH WE GOT OUR ESTIMATE FOR NEXT YEAR ON OUR AVALORM TAXES.
THERE WAS AN INCREASE OF $186,000 OVER WHAT WAS PROJECTED.
THERE WAS A ROUNDTABLE IN RELATION TO RECREATIONAL FACILITY FEES.
THERE WAS A SMALL INCREASE OF $102,000.
THERE'S BEEN A REDUCTION OF 1.5 MILLION IN THE USE OF RESERVES.
THE REASON FOR THAT IS WE'VE HAD SOME DECREASES IN OVERALL EXPENDITURES.
JUST TO EMPHASIZE THIS FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE BUDGETARY PROCESS, STAFF ARE CONSTANTLY GOING BACK.
WE START THIS BUDGET PROCESS IN JANUARY.
WE START WORKING ON THE OPERATIONS BUDGET AND THE CIPS.
MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS ARE WORKING AND COLLABORATING TO BRING ALL THESE DOCUMENTS TOGETHER FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE CONSTANTLY REVIEWING ESTIMATES TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ESTIMATES ARE FAIR AND ACCURATE AS CAN BE.
FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT NOW, WE'RE STILL WAITING ON SOME STATE REVENUE NUMBERS.
THEY'RE DOING THE SAME THING WE ARE.
THEY'RE MAKING SURE THAT THE NUMBERS ARE GOOD.
THROUGH THAT PROCESS, WE SOMETIMES FIND THAT THERE ARE SMALL ERRORS IN OUR CALCULATION, OR MAYBE SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE MOVED UP OR REMOVED, OR CAN BE MOVED OUT TO A DIFFERENT YEAR.
THAT'S SOME OF WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE THIS EVENING.
I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THAT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SAID WHEN WE WERE GOING TO DO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TWO SETS OF BUNKER GEAR FOR FIREFIGHTERS.
CURRENTLY, MANY OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS IN OUR AREA HAVE ONLY ONE SET, BUT WE'VE SAID FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TWO FOR OUR FIREFIGHTERS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE PROTECTED.
INITIALLY, WHEN WE PUT FORWARD THE FY 26 BUDGET, WE HAD BOTH SETS OF BUNKER GEAR IN THERE.
AS WE KNOW, WE WON'T START OPERATING UNTIL OCTOBER 1.
WE'LL BE ABLE TO ORDER THOSE THAT OTHER SET OF BUNKER GEAR SO THAT RIGHT AFTER OCTOBER 1, BOTH SETS OF BUNKER GEAR WILL BE THERE, BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY JUST SHIFTING DOLLARS FROM FY 26 TO THE BEGINNING OF FY 27, A SAVINGS OF $892,000.
WE ALSO HAVE A REDUCTION IN OUR NORTH COM.
EVERY YEAR, WE HAVE MEETINGS WITH THE NORTH COM PEOPLE OVER IN GARDENS.
WE GET A PRELIMINARY ESTIMATE, JUST LIKE WE DO WITH THE MILLAGE, OR THE AVALORM TAXES, AND THEN THEY FIRM UP THE BUDGET, AND THERE WAS AN ACTUAL REDUCTION OF OVER $66,000 FROM OUR INITIAL ESTIMATE.
THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CHANGES IN SALARY AND BENEFITS.
AS WE GO FORWARD, WE'RE STILL HONING THOSE.
THEN SOME PROMOTIONAL ACTIVITIES.
A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE ASKED, WELL, ARE WE NOT GOING TO BE DOING PROMOTIONAL ACTIVITIES NEXT YEAR? WE ABSOLUTELY ARE.WE'RE NOT REDUCING THE NUMBER OF ACTIVITIES THAT WE'RE PROMOTING.
THIS IS AGAIN WHERE WE WENT THROUGH AND WE'VE SCRUBBED AND WE FOUND SOME ADDITIONAL DOLLARS THAT WERE CARRIED OVER FROM LAST YEAR, THAT WE WERE ABLE TO REDUCE THOSE DOLLARS TUNE OF $578,000.
TOTAL OF 1.2 MILLION DOLLARS REDUCTION FROM THE INITIAL ESTIMATE THAT YOU SAW BACK IN JUNE.
NOW DIVING INTO THE CIP PLAN OVER THE FIVE-YEAR WINDOW.
THE FIVE-YEAR WINDOW IS $126 MILLION, 126.9 MILLION IN FY 26 FOR THE FIVE-YEAR WINDOW.
THE ADOPTED FY 25 WAS JUST OVER 97 MILLION, ALMOST 98 MILLION.
THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE IN PROCESS RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT COULD AFFECT THIS GOING FORWARD.
WE HAVE THE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES MASTER PLAN.
WE'VE HAD A ROUNDTABLE ON THAT.
THE UTILITIES MASTER PLAN UPDATE THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT YEAR AND END FY 27, BUT $29,000,000 INCREASE COMPARED TO FY 2025.
THE INCREASE IS PRIMARILY DUE TO CAPITAL EXPENDITURES FOR THE JUPI FIRE RESCUE, IF YOU REMEMBER RIGHT.
THERE'S A TOTAL OF $20,000,000 THAT WE'RE PULLING FROM THE RESERVES TO FUND JUPITER FIRE RESCUE, AND THERE'S A CHUNK OF IT THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING OVER HERE FOR CAPITAL, WHICH'LL BE FUNDED OUT OF THOSE RESERVES.
THAT'S SOME OF THAT. ALSO, CONSTRUCTION COSTS HAVE INCREASED. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.
ACTUALLY, I HAD OUR UTILITY PEOPLE GO THROUGH AND DO A QUICK SYNOPSIS ON WHAT SOME OF THESE INCREASES ARE.
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THEY DID A REALLY GOOD JOB.THEY PROVIDED SOME INFORMATION TO ME TODAY THAT I CAN SHARE WITH THE COUNCIL, IF YOU'D LIKE.
BUT THEN THERE'S A TOTAL OF $10,000,000 IN NEW WATER PROJECTS AS WELL THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT.
THE ONE THING WE NEED TO MAKE SURE OF IS THAT WE WATCH, JUST LIKE WITH THE CRA WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER IS THE CASH FLOW.
WHAT DOES THE CASH LOOK LIKE GOING FORWARD? THEN HOW DOES IT AFFECT THE OVERALL PLAN? RIGHT NOW, AS THE MAYOR POINTED OUT EARLIER, THE MAIN YEAR THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY ADOPTING IS FY 26.
G FORWARD, IT'S THE PLAN THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT OR PROGRAM DOLLARS.
WE ARE SHOWING A DEFICIT GOING FORWARD.
AT THE END OF THE FIVE-YEAR WINDOW, JUST OVER $1 MILLION.
WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES, AND I DO NOT DOUBT THAT THE DEFICIT WILL GO AWAY.
I'M NOT REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
I DON'T LIKE SEEING A DEFICIT.I DEFINITELY DON'T LIKE DOING THAT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I'M VERY CONFIDENT THAT THAT DEFICIT NEXT YEAR WILL NOT BE THERE.
BUT AGAIN, START THINKING ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE COMING OUR WAY.
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT JUST A SECOND AGO, THE FACILITIES MASTER PLAN.
ALSO, THE COUNTY IS TALKING ABOUT A TRAFFIC MASTER PLAN THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE COUNTY.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
WE'RE GOING TO KEEP OUR EYE ON THAT; THAT COULD AFFECT THE FUTURE CIP.
BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO SHOW TO THE RIGHT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS THAT WE HAVE AVAILABILITY OF OUR RESERVE FUNDING THAT WE CAN USE AT ANY TIME, AS NEEDED TO TO PUT CASH INTO THE CIP, OR IF WE UNFUND THINGS THAT WE CAN SEND MONEY BACK TO THE RESERVES.
THERE'S ALWAYS THAT RESP AVAILABILITY.
WHAT I'M SHOWING HERE IS A TWO-YEAR LOOK AT THE CASH RESERVES.
THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE OF THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE JUPI FIRE RESCUE.
AGAIN, WE'LL BE TAKING OUT APPROXIMATELY $20 MILLION TO FUND THE JUPITER FIRE RESCUE.
WE WANT TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT THE INDIAN CASH BALANCE IS GOING TO BE.
WE'VE SET A BENCHMARK WHEN WE STARTED THE JUPITER FIRE RESCUE OF $35 MILLION.
RIGHT NOW, WE'RE SHOWING THAT THIS COULD BE ABOUT $2,000,000 ABOVE THAT GOAL. VERY CONFIDENT.
>> JUST ON THAT ONE, I JUST WANT TO COMMENT, AGAIN, MOSTLY FOR NEWER MEMBERS, AS OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR TALKS ABOUT, SEEING THE RED ON, AND HE KNOWS IT'S GOING TO BE RESOLVED.
WE'RE STILL IN A DRAFT BUDGET.
YOU CAN, BUT I WILL TELL YOU I GO TO THE BACK OF THE BOOK FIRST.
I SEE ANY RED, I KNOW I HAVE A JOB TO DO, AND THAT MEANS WE'VE GOT TO FIND CUTS BECAUSE I WON'T SUPPORT A BUDGET, EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN OUR YEARS THAT SHOWS A RED DEFICIT SPENDING.
WE'RE NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AND WE CAN'T WORK THAT WAY.
IT'S ONGOING, BUT HOPEFULLY BY THE TIME WE GET TO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THESE, THE REDS GONE.
THAT'S WHAT WAS IMPLIED; I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT BECAUSE SOME OF US ARE GOING TO NEED THAT TO GO AWAY TO SUPPORT ANYTHING.
>> ALSO, WE STARTED DOING THIS A FEW YEARS AGO, JUST TO ILLUSTRATE TO THE PUBLIC THE DIFFERENT REVENUE SOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO FUND THE CIP, BECAUSE EVERYBODY LOOKS AT IT AND SEES $126 MILLION.
THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE GENERAL FUND PIECE OF THAT, WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY AVALORM TAX DOLLARS.
WE HAVE LOAN PROCEEDS THAT ARE COMING IN FROM THE CRA.
INTEREST INCOME. WE HAVE TRANSFERS FROM THE GENERAL FUND, THE 2.6 MILLION DOLLARS.
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT A FEW MINUTES AGO.
WE ALSO HAVE RESERVES WITHIN THE CIP OF OVER $5 MILLION.
BUT THEN THERE ARE RESTRICTED USES, THE CDBG GRANT FUNDING, OPEN SPACE DOLLARS, THERE ARE AVAILABLE ESCROW DEPOSITS, AND THEY'RE VERY RESTRICTIVE ON THEIR USE, RECREATION IMPACT FEE, ROAD IMPACT FEE FUNDS.
THEN AGAIN, THE SR TAX PROCEEDS, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT. IN A FEW MOMENTS.
BUT OVERALL, THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT PROGRAM, WE'RE LOOKING AT 18.4 MILLION DOLLARS TO FUND THE GENERAL GO PORTION OF THE PROGRAM.
THE NEW PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED IN THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT INCLUDE SIDEWALKS, NEIGHBORHOOD SIDEWALKS.
NOW THAT'S NOT REALLY A NEW PROGRAM, BUT IT WENT AWAY FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
BACK IN, I THINK IT WAS 2018, IT WAS DECIDED THAT WE WOULD MOVE THOSE DOLLARS FROM A CIP-TYPE PROJECT OVER INTO OPERATING, AND THEN THAT'S WHERE THE MONEY STAYED.
I KNOW LAST YEAR THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION FROM THE COUNCIL IN RELATION TO SIDEWALKS, AND WE SAID THAT WE WOULD GO IN, WE WOULD REVIEW THE SIDEWALK PLAN FOR THE WHOLE TOWN AND COME UP WITH A FUNDING STRATEGY TO START GETTING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD SIDEWALKS,
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SO WE'VE DONE THAT, $150,000 A YEAR FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD SIDEWALKS, UP TO $218,000 IN 2030.FIRE EQUIPMENT. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
THAT'S A DIRECT CONTRIBUTION FROM THE TOWN'S RESERVES, THE FIRE FACILITIES RENOVATIONS.
WE'RE BUILDING TWO BRAND NEW FIRE STATIONS.
WE HAVE TO OUTFIT THEM, WE HAVE TO PUT IN FURNITURE AND FIXTURES, SO WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR THAT.
ALSO, FIRE VEHICLES AND ENGINES.
THESE ARE STAFF VEHICLES THAT WE'LL BE PURCHASING.
INDIAN CREEK PARK RENOVATIONS, REPLACEMENT OF TWO EXISTING 20/20 PAVILIONS, AND CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW FOOTBRIDGE TO CONNECT THE EXISTING WALKING PATHS OVER THE LAKE, PLUS ON-STREET PARKING.
THE A ONE A BEACH SHOWER REPLACEMENTS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER, BUT WE DID HAVE A PILOT PROGRAM DOWN AT THE BEACH WHERE WE DID ONE OF THESE.
ALSO ASSISTED WITH THE DRAINAGE ALONG THE BEACH.
IT HAS A FRENCH DRAIN WHERE THE WATER DRAINS OFF.
WE WANT TO CONTINUE THAT PROCESS NOW THAT THIS ONE IS IN, AND IT'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL.
MIKE AND HIS PEOPLE OVER PARKS AND REC WANT TO CONTINUE THAT PROGRAM INTO THE FUTURE AND ADD MORE.
SOME OF THE INCREASES AND DECREASES OVER FY 25, FROM THE FUNDING PERSPECTIVE OF THE 26 TO 2030 FUNDING WINDOW.
YOU CAN SEE THERE, IT'S 1.1 MILLION DOLLARS IN FY 26 INCREASE THERE JUST OVER $11,000,000 FOR THE FUNDING WINDOW OF 26 TO 30.
THE MAJORITY OF THE INCREASES ARE THINGS LIKE THE POLICE RADIO SYSTEM, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN P25-COMPLIANT.
WE HAD BEEN FUNDING THAT FOR A FEW YEARS, BUT NOW WE'RE TRYING TO ESCALATE THE FUNDING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GOING TO MEET OUR TIMELINES FOR THAT PROJECT.
THE SOUTHERN EXTENSION OF ISLAND WAY.
THAT'S GOING TO COME BACK WITH 100% PLANS HERE VERY SHORTLY.
WE FEEL VERY CONFIDENT THAT SOME OF OUR ESTIMATES ARE GOOD AT THIS POINT, BUT WE'VE HAD TO INCREASE THE FUNDING FOR THAT PROJECT.
ALSO, THE PUBLIC WORKS MAINTENANCE FACILITY RENOVATIONS.
THAT'S AN INCREASE IN THE CONSTRUCTION COST AND AN ADDITIONAL SCOPE.
THEN THERE'S ALSO BEEN SOME REDUCTIONS RELATING TO THE JUPITER COMMUNITY PARK RENOVATIONS AND THE ATHLETIC FIELD RESTORATIONS.
IT'S NOT THAT THE FUNDING WENT AWAY, IT'S OVER THE FUNDING WIN IT FALLS.
IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE REDUCING ANYTHING AT THOSE TWO FACILITIES.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE TO POINT THAT OUT.
>> ALSO, CONTINUING ON WITH SOME OF THE INCREASES AND DECREASES, THE RENOVATIONS AT THE MARLINS QUAD AND ROGER DEAN STADIUM.
THAT'S BEEN PUSHED OUT FOR ANOTHER YEAR.
AGAIN, THAT'S MORE ALONG THE LINES OF NEGOTIATING WITH THE STADIUM.
WE HAVE A FACILITY USE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING TO THEM ABOUT, AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FUNDING OF THIS PROJECT COINCIDED WITH THAT.
THE PARKS RESTORATION PROGRAM, ANTICIPATED INCREASE IN MAINTENANCE ITEMS THERE.
THE COMMUNITY CENTER RENOVATIONS.
WE SAW A SLIGHT DECREASE TO SAVE AND BUILD UP RESERVES SO THAT WE CAN DO LARGER PROJECTS, SO WE'RE DOING SAVINGS IN THAT PROJECT OVER A FEW YEARS TO BE ABLE TO DO LARGER PROJECTS, SUCH AS I KNOW THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE ROOF AND AC.
THE COMMUNITY PARK RENOVATIONS.
THERE'S CHANGE TO EXTENDING THE SCOPE OF WORK OVER AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME.
THE ATHLETIC FIELD REPAIRS AND RESTORATIONS, AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE JUST TALKED ABOUT.
IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE GETTING RID OF ANYTHING.
WE'RE ACTUALLY JUST EXTENDING THE SCOPE.
PLAYGROUNDS REPLACEMENT, YOU CAN SEE HERE RECENTLY, THAT WAS A COUNCIL PRIORITY.
WE'RE HAVING SUCCESS WHERE WE'RE ACTUALLY OPEN UP SOME PLAYGROUNDS HERE RECENTLY, AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE ON WITH THAT.
THEN THE ABACOA COMMUNITY PARK RENOVATIONS DECREASE DUE TO THE AVAILABILITY OF 26 CARRY FORWARD FUNDS AND THE TIMING OF SOME OF THE PROJECTS.
THE SURTAX FUND, WE'VE BEEN THE BENEFICIARY OF SURTAX FUNDS.
I KNOW A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO WHEN IT FIRST CAME OUT.
WE WERE HESITANT ABOUT THE FUNDING, BUT WE HAVE DEFINITELY BENEFITED FROM IT.
WE'RE IN ONE OF THE BUILDINGS THAT BENEFITED FROM THE USE OF THE SURTAX FUND, THE NEW PD BUILDING.
A NUMBER OF PROJECTS HAVE BEEN DONE WITH THE USE OF THE SURTAX, BUT NOW IT'S TIME FOR THIS FUND TO SUNSET, THE MONEY IS GOING TO STOP COMING IN.
HOW IT WORKS IS IT SAID THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET $40 MILLION OVER A 10 YEAR PERIOD FROM THE FUND.
WE HAVE REACHED THAT THRESHOLD AND WE REACHED IT MID YEAR THIS YEAR,
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AND WHAT THE STATE ALLOWS IS FOR US TO CONTINUE TO COLLECT THOSE DOLLARS UP UNTIL THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR, WHICH WILL BE DECEMBER 31ST.WE'LL BE ABLE TO EXTEND PAST THE $40 MILLION.
WE'RE ANTICIPATING AN ADDITIONAL FIVE MILLION DOLLARS IN COLLECTIONS IN THE SURTAX.
YOU CAN SEE WE'VE USED SOME OF THOSE PROJECTED DOLLARS GOING FORWARD.
THE WATER FUND ITSELF, FUNDING OF 16.5 MILLION IS BEING REQUESTED IN FY'26.
[NOISE] EIGHT OF THE 15 PROJECTS LISTED IN '26 ARE PREVIOUSLY FUNDED AND UNDERWAY.
BUDGET INCREASES ARE NECESSARY TO COMPLETE SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION.
TOTAL FUNDING BEING REQUESTED OVER THE FIVE YEAR FUNDING WINDOW IS $63.8 MILLION WITH FUNDS COMING FROM WATER R&R, ALSO THE OFFSITE FEES AND FEMA GRANT FUNDING.
WE TALKED ABOUT GRANT FUNDING IN OUR LAST MEETING.
SIX NEW PROJECTS BEING PROPOSED OVER THE FIVE YEAR FUNDING WINDOW.
AGAIN, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THE WATER FUND IS SELF SUFFICIENT.
THE GENERAL FUND IS NOT TO FUND GENERAL WATER TYPE PROJECTS OR STORM WATER PROJECTS.
WE CAN WORK IN CONCERT WITH THEM, BUT YOU DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE GENERAL FUND OR TAX DOLLARS PAYING FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE A BUSINESS ENTERPRISE.
THE NEW PROJECTS IN THE WATER FUND, THE MAJORITY OF THESE ARE IN SOME WAY MANDATED OR REQUIRED.
THE CHURCH STREET WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING $988,000 IN FY '27 BASED ON PALM BEACH COUNTY SCHEDULE TO CONSTRUCT THE ROADWAY AND DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS THERE.
THE SOUTH ISLAND WAY BRIDGE REPLACEMENT.
THIS IS ACTUALLY A MARTIN COUNTY PROJECT THAT THEY'VE NOTIFIED US THAT THEY INTEND TO REPLACE THAT AND WIDEN THAT BRIDGE.
THEN IT'S THE TOWN'S OBLIGATION BECAUSE WE HAVE A WATER MAIN THERE THAT WE HAVE TO MOVE THAT WATER MAIN.
THAT'S BY STATUTE. ALSO, THE ION EXCHANGE SYSTEM, THIS IS AGAIN A MANDATE TOTAL PROJECT BUDGET.
WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION LAST YEAR ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
THIS IS COMING DOWN FROM THE FEDS.
WE HAVE BEEN PREPARING FOR IT.
THERE IS A NUMBER OF UTILITIES AROUND THE AREA THAT UNFORTUNATELY, THEY'RE NOT REALLY IN THAT GREAT POSITION AS WE ARE.
INITIALLY, WE'D ANTICIPATED THAT THIS COST WAS GOING TO BE ABOUT $12 MILLION.
I HAVE TO GIVE IT TO REBECCA AND AMANDA.
THEY HAVE WORKED VERY HARD TO RE-EVALUATE ON HOW THEY CAN TACKLE THIS AND STILL BE IN COMPLIANT.
THEY'VE REDUCED IT TO 4.7 AND FEEL VERY CONFIDENT THAT BY THE TIME THE MANDATE ARRIVES, THAT IT PROBABLY BE LESS THAN THAT.
KUDOS TO THE UTILITY FOR FINDING A WAY TO NAVIGATE THAT.
THEN THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT REPLACEMENT PROGRAM.
WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT PROJECT IS A NEW PROGRAM TO PROACTIVELY REPLACE LARGE SCALE TREATMENT INFRASTRUCTURE TO ENSURE SYSTEM RELIABILITY AND REGULATORY COMPLIANCE IS MAINTAINED.
THE SAS NEW 30 RAW WATER MAIN.
THAT'S A $1.8 MILLION PROJECT IS BEING REQUESTED.
YOU DON'T SEE THE RED ON THERE, BUT THERE'S ACTUALLY SOME REDUCTIONS IN THE '26 TO 2030 FUNDING WINDOW.
BUT FOR FY '26, AN INCREASE OF $7.8 MILLION, THE OVERALL INCREASE, WHICH INCLUDES THE '26 IS 1.9.
THERE'S BEEN SOME REDUCTIONS THERE FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR.
YOU CAN SEE I HAVE LISTED HERE A NUMBER OF THESE PROJECTS LIKE THE METERS AND LARGE METERS, THREE MILLION AGGREGATE INCREASE IN THE FIVE YEAR FUNDING WINDOW, EXPECTED TO FUND THE AMI PROJECT THROUGH 2030 VERSUS 2032.
THAT PROJECT HAS BEEN ACCELERATED.
THE STORMWATER FUND, AGAIN, THIS IS AN ENTERPRISE FUND, A BUSINESS FUND MUST MAINTAIN ITSELF AND SUPPORT ITSELF THROUGH USER FEES.
FUNDING OF $1.4 MILLION IS BEING PROPOSED FOR FY '26 BY NINE PROJECTS BETWEEN FY '26 AND 2030.
THE LARGEST OF WHICH IS THE STORMWATER ASSET MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.
THERE ARE NO NEW PROJECTS BEING PROPOSED IN THE FIVE YEAR FUNDING WINDOW.
A 1.1 MILLION IN GRANT FUNDING IS BEING ASSUMED FOR PINE GARDENS NORTH, THE SEMINAL BASIS.
MINIMAL CHANGE IN THE STORMWATER PROGRAM AS COMPARED TO FY '25 CIP.
TOTAL INCREASE OVER THE FUNDING WINDOW IS $543,000 FROM FY '25.
THE LARGEST INCREASE IS $356,000 FOR CURB REPLACEMENT.
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I WANT TO MAKE SURE I REPORT OUT AND I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE THAT THE STORMWATER PEOPLE ARE WORKING IN CONCERT WITH OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THEY'RE DOING CURBS, THAT THE ROADWAYS ARE ALSO BEING CONSIDERED AT THE SAME TIME, SO THE STAFF IS WORKING TOGETHER AND TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT GOING INTO THE SAME AREA TWICE.IN SUMMARY, ITEMS THAT ARE IN PROCESS, THE PARKS AND FACILITIES MASTER PLAN.
NOW THIS PRESENTATION WAS DEVELOPED BEFORE THE ROUND TABLE THAT YOU ALL HAD HERE RECENTLY, BUT THE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES MASTER PLAN, THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITIES MASTER PLAN IS CURRENTLY BEING WORKED ON, THE VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT, AND THE UTILITY MASTER PLAN THAT WILL BE COMING NEXT YEAR WILL ALSO BE DISCUSSED.
WE HAVE STABLE RESERVES THAT EXIST TO MAKE UP FOR ANY FUTURE DEFICITS, DUE CONSTRUCTION AND COST INCREASES.
THE SURTAX FUND IS GOING TO BE SUNSETTING.
THERE ARE STILL SOME FUNDS AVAILABLE IN THAT FUND TO BE USED, IF NEED BE, AND CONSTRUCTION COSTS CONTINUE TO ESCALATE.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT THIS EVENING, IF YOU'D LIKE.
WITH THAT THAT IS THE END OF THAT PORTION OF THE PRESENTATION.
STRATEGIC INITIATIVES, I KNOW THIS IS VERY SMALL.
YOU SHOULD HAVE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET, I THINK IT WAS AN 8.5 BY 11 OF EACH OF THESE.
WHAT WE TRIED TO SHOW HERE IS THE STRATEGIC INITIATIVES, WHERE THE FUNDING IS LOCATED AND A PAGE NUMBER THAT YOU CAN FIND IT EITHER IN THE CIP, WHICH THE MAJORITY OF THESE ARE OR IN THE OPERATING BUDGET.
WE ARE PREPARED TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THESE IF THE COUNCIL SO WISHES.
WITH THAT, THAT ENDS THE PRESENTATION.
>> QUESTIONS, COUNCILOR GEISINGER?
ROAD TO THE STABLE RESERVES, ABLE TO MAKE UP FUTURE DEFICITS.
WHAT ABOUT DO WE HAVE STABLE RESERVES TO FUND ANY TYPE OF CATASTROPHIC DAMAGE DUE TO STORM?
>> YOU CAN SEE HERE, I BROUGHT IT BACK UP TOO.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SHOW EVERY YEAR, SPECIFICALLY DURING THE OPERATING PORTION OF THE WORKSHOPS THAT WE HAVE DURING THE SUMMER IS HOW MUCH DO WE NEED IN RESERVES TO BE ABLE TO BATTLE THAT RESERVE OR I'M SORRY, THE MAJOR STORM ACTIVITY.
RULE OF THUMB THAT WE HAVE IS THREE MONTHS WORTH OF OPERATING AND RIGHT NOW THAT'S JUST OVER $20 MILLION THAT WE HOLD IN RESERVE THERE.
AFTER THAT, YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT WE HAD $54.7 MILLION, AND AFTER THE $20 MILLION, WE HAD $34.6 MILLION AVAILABLE.
ROLLING INTO FY '26, WE START OUT AGAIN WITH THE $54 MILLION.
YOU STILL HAVE THE 35 BENCHMARK.
NOW, ONE THING I WILL TELL YOU ABOUT THE CASH FLOW.
WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CASH FLOW, ONE THING THAT WE ESTIMATE IS ALL THE CASH GETS SPENT AS YOU SEE IT.
AT THE END OF EACH YEAR, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME CASH AVAILABLE THAT WILL ROLL BACK INTO OUR FUND BALANCE.
THAT NUMBER WILL ACTUALLY PROBABLY GROW A LITTLE BIT AT THE END OF THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR.
BUT YES, WE ALWAYS WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH RESERVES AVAILABLE TO FUND THE TOWN FOR A MINIMUM THREE MONTHS.
>> ONE OTHER QUESTION. FOR ALL THE DEPARTMENTS WHO HAVE VARIOUS CIP PROJECTS, I COUNTED A TOTAL OF 40 FOR THIS COMING YEAR 2026.
FOR ANY UNSPENT BUDGET THAT'S NOT ENCUMBERED UP THROUGH THE END OF '25, DOES THAT APPLY BACK INTO THAT DEPARTMENT'S BUDGET FOR FUTURE CIP FUNDING OR IS IT COLLECTED BACK TO WHERE IT CAME FROM LIKE THE RESERVES OR WHATEVER?
>> THOSE DOLLARS WILL BE HELD WITHIN THE CIP FUND.
IT WILL NOT COME BACK INTO THE GENERAL OPERATING.
IT WILL BE HELD IN THE CIP FUND AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
THOSE DOLLARS WILL THEN ROLL FORWARD.
THEY'LL COME BACK BEFORE THE TOWN COUNCIL FOR A BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR YOU TO ROLL THOSE DOLLARS FORWARD.
NOW, WHAT HAPPENS AT YEAR END IS STAFF WILL BE LOOKING TO SEE, IS THIS PROJECT COMPLETE? IF THE PROJECT IS COMPLETE AND THERE'S LEFTOVER FUNDING, THOSE DOLLARS THEN BE ROLLED BACK INTO THE RESERVE DOLLARS.
THOSE ARE SOME OF THE DOLLARS THAT YOU SEE THERE THAT I'M SHOWING HOW IT FUNDS THE GENERAL REVENUE TYPE ACTIVITIES.
[NOISE] I HOPE THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.
>> YES. WE HAVE THE BENEFIT OF A NEW ENGINEERING DIRECTOR.
>> WHO IS ABLE TO DRINK FROM A FIRE HOSE AND EVALUATE A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS.
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I HAD A CONVERSATION THIS MORNING ABOUT THE SEAWALL PROJECT AND HIS ASSESSMENT OF IT OR POSSIBLE CHANGES TO THAT PROGRAM DOWN THE LINE.CAN I HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
THE NEED FOR A SEAWALL REPLACEMENT IF THERE IS ONE OR WHAT THE ALTERNATIVES ARE OR OPTIONS ARE?
>> YES. GOOD EVENING, COUNCILOR.
I'M PLEASED TO BE BEFORE YOU FOR THE FIRST TIME.
I'M GEORGE ZAMA, THE NEW ENGINEERING DIRECTOR.
I'M GETTING ACCLIMATED TO ALL THE PROJECTS AND I'M HAPPY TO BE PART OF THE FIRST CIP.
ONE OF THE PROJECTS AS MENTIONED IS THE SAWFISH BAY.
I DID GO OUT AND PERFORM AN ASSESSMENT MYSELF.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PROJECT IS ACTUALLY FUNDED IN TWO DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.
I'VE BEEN COORDINATING WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING AND THEY HAVE A PROJECT GRANT APPLICATION WITH THE EP RESILIENCE PROGRAM THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY COORDINATING WITH, THAT GRANT APPLICATION IS DUE NEXT MONTH.
BUT ANYWAY, I DID GO OUT AND PERFORM AN ASSESSMENT AND THE PROJECT IS IN THE CIP FUNDED FOR FULL REPLACEMENT, AND EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE, THERE'S ALL DIFFERENT FORMS OF REHAB.
THERE'S LIGHT REHABILITATION, MAJOR REHABILITATION, AND THE MOST EXTREME FORM OF REHABILITATION IS REPLACEMENT.
WHAT WE HAD PROGRAMMED WAS THE MOST EXTREME FORM OF REPLACEMENT, BUT I THINK WE CAN DO JUST A MAJOR REHAB, AND A LOT OF IT IS JUST ADDRESSING THE PILE CAP AND ALONG WITH THE PROJECT THAT PLANNING AND ZONING HAS PROGRAM FOR LIVING SHORELINE.
I THINK THOSE COMPONENTS WE COULD WORK TOGETHER TO WHAT'S REFERRED TO IN THE RESILIENCE WORLD AS SEA WALL REDEEMING WHICH TYPICALLY DEP DOESN'T FUND MAINTENANCE.
BUT IF YOU ARE GOING TO PERFORM A MAINTENANCE MEASURE TO IMPROVE NATURE BASED SOLUTIONS FOR MAINTENANCE, THEY WILL FUND THAT.
I THINK THIS PROJECT WILL ACTUALLY CLASSIFY FOR THAT FORM OF MAINTENANCE.
ENGINEERING IS WORKING WITH PLANNING AND ZONING.
WE THINK WE CAN SCALE BACK WHAT'S PROGRAMMED ACTUALLY IN THIS BUDGET, AND THIS ALL HAPPENED THIS WEEK.
THINGS ARE VERY DYNAMIC WITH THIS PROJECT.
WE'RE IN THE MIDST OF THE GRANT APPLICATION, SO WE THINK WE CAN REDUCE THE REHAB TO MORE OF A MAJOR REHABILITATION INSTEAD OF A FULL REPLACEMENT.
>> NOW, BASED ON YOUR ANALYSIS OF THE SEA WALL, WE MAY GET A GRANT THROUGH THIS RESILIENCE GRANT, BUT IF WE DON'T, THE REPAIRS ARE NEEDED FOR THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THAT WALL, IS THAT RIGHT?
WE HAD PROGRAM 750,000 FOR FISCAL YEAR '26 AND 870,000 FOR FISCAL YEAR '27.
IDEALLY, WE WOULD REALLY NEED TO GET A FULL ASSESSMENT OF THE FULL SCOPE OF REHAB.
THERE IS CERTAINLY REHAB THAT NEEDS TO BE PERFORMED.
WHAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO DO IS ACTUALLY REDUCE THE BUDGET OF FISCAL YEAR '26 FUNDING AND ACTUALLY APPLY THE FISCAL YEAR '27 FUNDING OF 870,000.
IT CAN REDUCE UP TO 50% OF THE CURRENT PROJECT FUNDING.
THE GOAL IS TO WORK WITH PLANNING AND ZONING IF THE GRANT DOES GO THROUGH AND I DID HEAR THE DIALOGUE WITH THE CRA MEETING.
BUT THE GOAL WOULD BE TO MAXIMIZE OUR FUNDING WITH GRANT DOLLARS ON THE ORDER OF A 50/50 MATCH AND PERFORM THE MAINTENANCE REHAB, AS WELL AS THE NATURE BASED IMPROVEMENTS IN THE BAY.
WITH THAT SAID, THAT WILL REQUIRE DESIGN, GRANT PROCUREMENT, WHICH WOULD ALLOCATE FISCAL YEAR '26, AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE ADEQUATE FUNDING FOR FISCAL YEAR '27.
GIVEN HOW DYNAMIC THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN IN THE MOVING PARTS, YOU'RE SAYING JUST THIS WEEK, A LOT OF THIS CAME UP.
COULD WE EXPECT THAT THE CIP SHEET COULD THEN BE UPDATED FOR THE FIRST READING IN SEPTEMBER ON THIS?
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FOR ATHLETIC FIELDS, PAGE 38, THE ATHLETIC FIELD, PROJECT NUMBER.
I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION FOR MIKE.
I SEE IN THE BUDGET HERE FOR 27 AND 28, TWO ACRES OF ARTIFICIAL TURF AND THEN TWO ACRES OF BERMUDA HAVING THE SAME COST.
>> NO, THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN AN ERROR ACTUALLY.
THEY SHOULD BE DIFFERENT COSTS.
JUST CHECK IN ON THAT. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL.
>> QUICK ONE THERE. THE SIMS CREEK PRESERVE PROJECT.
CAN I ASK IF WE'VE SECURED THE LRPI GRANT?
>> TUESDAY, WHEN THE COUNCIL APPROVED THE CONTRACT, IT IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, MAYOR, BECAUSE WE DID NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT CIP UNTIL WE SECURED THE LRPI GRANT.
THEN WHEN IT CAME DOWN TO THE BID, THE CONTRACT NEEDED AN ADDITIONAL $25,000 TO FINISH IT OUT.
THAT'S WHAT YOU BASICALLY SEE.
THEN THEN THE TIMING IS FOR LANDSCAPING.
BECAUSE IT'S AN OPEN SPACE PROPERTY, WE DON'T PLANT UNTIL THE RAINY SEASON.
WE HOLD MONEY TO DO LANDSCAPING SEPARATELY.
YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU REMINDED ME OF THAT. THANK YOU.
ON THE UTILITY, JUST ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE FED MANDATE.
THAT WAS SO UPSETTING THE LAST TIME.
THERE WAS SIGNIFICANT PUSHBACK ON THAT.
WHEN IT HAPPENED, THERE WERE A LOT OF COMMENTS MADE IN OUR CURRENT VERY DYNAMIC EXTERNAL ENVIRONMENT.
DO YOU SUSPECT THAT THERE COULD BE CHANGES TO THAT MANDATE OR WHAT'S THE CURRENT CLIMATE OR DISCUSSION IN THIS COMMUNITY?
IT'S NOT A PROPOSED REGULATION, IT WAS PUT INTO LAW AND IT'S MANDATE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT CONTAINED.
>> [LAUGHTER] IT'S DONE AND THERE'S NO MOVEMENT ON ANYTHING TO POTENTIALLY REPEAL IT.
>> PLEASE, MAYOR, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE SEA WALL FOR THE ENGINEERING DIRECTOR. WELCOME TO JUPITER.
>> THANK YOU. GLAD TO BE HERE.
>> BY REHABBING THE SEA WALL, HOW MUCH WOULD YOU EXTEND THE LIFE AS OPPOSED TO BUILDING IT OR REPLACING IT?
>> WHAT WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE IN YEARS OF?
>> THE SEA WALL, THE LIFE CAN BE EXTENDED.
IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE PERFORMANCE OF WHAT WERE THE NATURE-BASED IMPROVEMENTS.
IT COULD VARY BETWEEN 10-25 YEARS ON AVERAGE.
>> WHEN WAS THAT WELL BUILT? WHEN WAS IT FIRST CONSTRUCTED? DO YOU KNOW?
>> OKAY. WHEN YOU BUILD A QUALITY SEA WALL, WHAT'S THE LIFE EXPECTANCY? IS IT 20ISH YEARS, 30 YEARS?
>> IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF SEA WALL, IN THIS CASE, A DIVINYL, SO IT'S ABOUT 30 YEARS ONE AVERAGE.
>> ABOVE 30. SO IT'S UNDERPERFORMING WHAT IT WAS INTENDED.
>> FROM WHAT I NOTICED, WE DID GET A REPORT FROM A CONSULTANT AND AND IS THEY CLASSIFIED IT IN VERY POOR CONDITION.
THEY DELINEATED A LOT OF CONDITIONS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN ATTRIBUTED TO THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION.
WELL, THE WALL TENDS TO LOOK WAVY, BUT THAT'S THE NATURE OF VINYL SHEET PILES.
THEY'RE NOT AS RIGID AS STEEL SHEET PILES.
VINYL DOESN'T HAVE A LIFE CYCLE AS LONG AS THE TYPICAL STEEL SHEET PILES TO BEGIN WITH.
I DIDN'T NOTICE A LOT OF FLEXING IN THE SEA WALL.
THERE IS EVIDENCE OF SOME SIDEWALK SETTLEMENT.
THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO REALLY INVESTIGATE ON THE REPORT TO CONSIDER IN THE FULL SCOPE OF THE REHAB PROJECT.
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>> THAT IS WHAT I JUST WANTED. WE NEED TO INVESTIGATE MORE.
IT'S JUST THE GENERAL CONDITION, THE EXTENT OF THE REHAB, AND MAKE A DECISION AT THAT POINT, WHERE WE'RE AT, CORRECT?
>> CORRECT. WE CAN DO THAT AS PART OF THE DESIGN PHASE, WHICH IS SCHEDULED FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
THAT'S PART OF THE BUDGET WE HAVE PROGRAMMED.
>> GREAT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE.
>> JUST TO COMMENT, I WANT TO BE SURE ON PAGE 90 OF OUR CFP, WE GOT AN INCREASE IN A GRANT FOR HARDENING THE BUILDING.
I'M READING IT CORRECTLY FROM A 57%-75% GRANT.
THIS IS A POSITIVE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE UNCERTAINTY OF WHERE THESE GRANTS CAN COME FROM.
I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE I'M READING THIS CORRECTLY.
HARDENING THIS SERVER BUILDING.
>> THE FEMA HAZARD MITIGATION GRANT.
>> WE'VE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY WITH FEMA AND THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.
WE APPLIED FOR THIS GRANT BACK IN 2021, I BELIEVE, AND WE JUST SUBMITTED OUR REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE DESIGN PHASE.
THEY FUND DESIGN, AND THEN ONCE YOU COMPLETE DESIGN, THEY MAKE A DETERMINATION ON FUNDING CONSTRUCTION.
DURING THE COURSE OF THE PROJECT, THEY INCREASED OUR GRANT FUNDING PERCENTAGE FROM 57%-75% COMING FROM FEMA.
THEY'RE EVALUATING NOW TO SEE IF THEY WILL APPLY THAT SAME PERCENTAGE TO CONSTRUCTION.
WE HAVEN'T HEARD YET, BUT WE'RE HOPEFUL.
>> IS THIS WHERE WE CAN ASK A FEW QUESTIONS ON PARKS AND RECS AS WELL?
>> THIS IS ON ANY QUESTION FOR ALL.
>> [LAUGHTER] JUST A FEW QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT, WHERE WE'VE MENTIONED SPRAYING, WATER FEATURES.
IS THERE ANY LIABILITY ON THE PART OF OUR TOWN WITH CHILDREN RUNNING, SLIPPING, HAVING ANY ISSUES?
>> WE HAVE LIABILITY INSURANCE FOR THOSE TYPE OF THINGS, EVEN FOR THE SIDEWALKS AND STREETS WHERE PEDESTRIANS AND PEOPLE ARE, EVEN IN THE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES, CHILDREN ARE PLAYING ON PLAYGROUNDS, WE HAVE LIABILITY INSURANCE FOR ALL OF THAT.
>> IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON TENNIS COURT REVAMPING, GOING INTO PICKLEBALL? I DON'T SEE ENOUGH PICKLEBALL IN OUR PARKS AND RECS AT THIS POINT IN TIME, SEEING HOW IT IS THE NEW CULTURAL WAVE OF RECREATION AND EXERCISE.
>> THE NEXT LOCATION WAS LIGHTHOUSE PARK THAT WE WERE GOING TO CONVERT TENNIS COURTS.
BUT WE DID FROM COUNCIL SANCTION LAST.
AT THE PARKS MEETING, WE ACTUALLY DISCUSSED POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE SINCE WE ARE UNDER THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, I BELIEVE FOR TENNIS.
WE WERE STILL DISCUSSING INTERNALLY AS A STAFF WHETHER TO MAKE THAT CONVERSION OR NOT, BUT THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE COUNT.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT BEING CONSIDERED. THANK YOU.
>> QUESTION FOR ENGINEERING DIRECTOR, OR JUST JUST TO FOLLOW UP.
JUST TWO ITEMS. NUMBER ONE, HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN WITH THE TOWN?
>> I'VE BEEN WITH THE TOWN SINCE JUNE 30.
>> YOU TOOK TWO WEEKS OF VACATION WITH FAMILY, RIGHT?
>> YES. THANK YOU, FRANK FOR THAT.
>> [LAUGHTER] YOU REALLY YOU GOT ABOUT FIVE WEEKS IN OF WORK HERE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT NOW ON THAT SAWFISH-BASED SEAWALL REPLACEMENT, I APPRECIATE HOW MUCH YOU'VE JUMPED IN THE SADDLE AND GETTING GOING, BUT SOME OF THE STUFF WITH A LONG HISTORY, IT'S AMAZING HOW QUICKLY YOU'RE IN THE SADDLE.
BUT YOU DID READ THE REPORT AND YOU AND I HAD SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT, SO I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM.
NUMBER ONE, THE REPORT DIDN'T REALLY SAY WHEN THE WALL HAD TO BE REPLACED, CORRECT? IT WAS WHAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.
>> CORRECT. IT JUST PROVIDED A RECOMMENDATION FOR IT.
>> IT WAS REALLY A CONSERVATIVE RECOMMENDATION THAT GIVEN THEY REFERENCED ENGINEERING STANDARDS, AMERICAN SOCIETY OF CIVIL ENGINEERS STANDARDS FOR THE CONDITION OF THE SEA WALLS FOR THAT CONDITION IS THE FORM OF REHABILITATION IS REPLACEMENT.
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>> RIGHT. THEN I RECOLLECT CLEARLY.
FIRST OF ALL, FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE I'VE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS WITH A NEW ENGINEERING DIRECTOR AND I HAD ASKED FOR THE REPORT A COUPLE OF YEARS BACK AND CAME AWAY WITH IT WITH SOME PRETTY STRONG OPINIONS ABOUT THE ENGINEERING RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT I JUST LEFT IT AT THAT AT THE TIME.
BUT I THINK YOUR FIRST REACTION YOU SAID TO ME ABOUT THE REPORT WAS, WE SHOULD HAVE ASKED THE CONSULTANT FOR ALTERNATIVES, DID YOU NOT? YOU REPLIED. IF YOU GET A REPORT THAT TALKS ABOUT REPLACEMENT, IT'S LOGICAL ASK FOR ALTERNATIVES.
>> WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M ACCUSTOMED TO WITH OBTAINING REPORTS, BUT I DIDN'T I DON'T THINK THAT WAS IN THE FULL SCOPE OF THE WORK.
IT WAS JUST GET AN ASSESSMENT, AND THEN WE CAN ANALYZE THAT ASSESSMENT AND UTILIZE IT FOR HOW WE WANT TO PROGRAM A PROJECT MOVING FORWARD.
>> REASON I JUST WANT TO GET THAT OUT IS BECAUSE A TOWN MANAGER HAS A TOWN MANAGER AWARD, AND I'M SERIOUS ABOUT THIS, BUT I CERTAINLY WANT TO GIVE YOU MAYOR'S RECOGNITION AWARD.
THERE'S NO MONEY COMES WITH IT, BY THE WAY, FOR IDENTIFYING A TOWN OF JUPITER COST SPENDING REDUCTION OPPORTUNITY.
I WENT AND INSPECTED THE WALL MYSELF AND I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO GO OUT AND LOOK AT IT.
IT LOOKED FINE. IT NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED.
I LOVE THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE BASE ABOUT SEAWALL REDEEMING.
BUT IN MY 46 YEARS IN THE BUSINESS AND EARLY ON FOR SEVERAL DECADES, I USED TO DO THIS WORK, CONQUERED RESTORATION BULKHEADS AND WHATEVER.
I NEVER WOULD HAVE ASSIGNED AN END OF LIFE FOR THAT BULKHEAD.
THE UTILITY THAT I WORKED FOR, WE WOULD JUST DO THE THINGS HE'S PROPOSING WE'RE GOING TO DO AND JUST MAINTAIN IT.
GO ALONG THE INLET, YOU LOOK AT BULKHEADS, THAT ARE WAY BEYOND THAT.
IN MY OPINION, IT CAN'T REALLY SET A LIFE.
THE OTHER THING, WHAT I SHARED WAS, AND I LEARNED THIS LONG AGO IN THE BUSINESS I WAS IN.
ENGINEERING CONSULTANTS ARE SOMEWHAT MOTIVATED TO RECOMMEND NEW CAPITAL PROJECTS BECAUSE THEY GET PAID FOR ENGINEERING.
NOT A NEGATIVE, THAT'S A FACT OF LIFE.
I FOUND IN MY FORMER CAREER THAT YOU HAD TO WORK WITH ENGINEERING CONSULTANTS AND MAKE SURE THEY KNEW THE EXPECTATION AND MOTIVATIONS TO LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES.
WE HAVE AN ENGINEERING DIRECTOR THAT I'M VERY ENCOURAGED IS GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS.
I JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZE YOU FOR THAT.
THIS FUNDING REDUCTION BY A COST AVOIDANCE, WHICH I WAS CERTAINLY LOOKING FOR SOMEWHERE ANYWHERE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'RE PROVIDING ENOUGH FUNDING ON STREET RESURFACING.
I ASKED A QUESTION AND YOU DID RESPOND AND I HAVE IT FROM STAFF.
ONE MILLION A YEAR THAT WE'RE FUNDING, AND BY THE WAY, IT'S NOT EVEN ESCALATED FOR INFLATION LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE IS.
BUT WHAT I LEARNED WAS THE CURRENT FUNDING ENABLES ABOUT 3.3 MILES OF RESURFACING ANNUALLY VERSUS 5.4 MILES PER YEAR MINIMUM PER YEAR TO AVOID RAPID DETERIORATION OF ROADWAYS WITH RESULTING HIGHER COST.
THAT'S NOT THE MAYOR'S OPINION.
THAT'S YOUR ENGINEERING DIRECTOR'S OPINION, CORRECT?
>> WELL, CORRECT. JUST BASED OFF OF THE CENTERLINE MILES OF [INAUDIBLE] THE TOWN HAS, AND THAT'S JUST STANDARD PRACTICE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] AGREED. QUITE FRANKLY, I THINK YOU'RE OVER OPTIMISTIC ON THE 28-YEAR LIFE.
HE'S ASSUMING PAVEMENT WILL LAST 28 YEARS IN SAYING WE SHOULD BE DOING 5.4 MILES A YEAR? WE'RE ONLY DOING 3.3.
I THINK WE NEED TO INCREASE THAT ANNUALLY BY 750,000 A YEAR TO MEET THE GOAL OF THE 5.4.
NOW, REALIZE I SAY THAT WE HAVE TO FIND MONEY BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE RED.
BUT TO ME, THAT RISES TO THE LEVEL OF PRIORITY BECAUSE PARTICULARLY AS WE GO FORTH WITH POTENTIAL FUNDING CHALLENGES, WE REALLY WANT TO NOT CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN OUR ROADS IN A REASONABLE STANDARD, BECAUSE ONCE YOU GO DOWN THE PATH OF LETTING IT DEGRADE,
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YOU CAN'T DIG YOURSELF OUT OF THAT.THAT'S WHY I PUT THIS AS A HIGHER PRIORITY TO HAVE IN THE BUDGET. BUT THANK YOU.
I JUST WANTED TO HAVE WANTED TO MAKE SURE I'M GIVEN CREDIT TO WHERE THE OPINIONS ARE COMING FROM, OUR NEW ENGINEERING DIRECTOR.
I HAPPEN TO AGREE WITH THEM, BUT LIKE YOU HEARD ME SAY, I'M SO GRATEFUL YOU COME IN WITH THE PERSPECTIVE, WE CAN LAST 28 YEARS.
WHEN I STARTED IN THIS SEAT, I HAD AN ENGINEERING DIRECTOR THAT WAS DEBATING, WE NEEDED TO REPLACE IT EVERY 15 YEARS.
WE WERE DOING IT EVERY 15 YEARS AND THAT WASN'T RIGHT EITHER.
BUT ANYWAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MAYOR'S AWARD.
>> I HAVE A FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
I JUST GOT A QUESTION PROMPTED.
CAN YOU TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CENTERLINE MILES AND LANE MILES? THEY'RE DESCRIBED IN DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS.
>> ABSOLUTELY. CENTERLINE MILES IS CALCULATED REALLY BASED ON A TWO-LANE ROAD.
TWO LANES OF 12 FOOT WIDE ON AVERAGE.
LANE MILES IS JUST ONE OF THOSE LANES.
A STANDARD TWO-LANE ROAD HAS TWO LANE MILES, WHEREAS INDIANTOWN ROAD HAS SIX-LANE MILES, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
BUT A TYPICAL, WHEN I REFER TO CENTERLINE MILES, MOST OF THE TOWN ROADS ARE TWO-LANE ROADS.
THAT'S JUST MAKES IT EASIER TO PROGRAM RESURFACING.
>> OKAY. I WAS READING THE CAFR, THE ACFR, AND THEY USE LANE MILES AT THE END OF THAT DOCUMENT, AND THEY SAID LAST YEAR, WE DID 16-LANE MILES.
LAST YEAR WE PAVED EIGHT CENTERLINE MILES. IS THAT RIGHT?
>> THE AVERAGE MILES, IT'S TAKEN OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS.
>> A LOT OF TIMES LANE MILES ARE UTILIZED BY DOT BECAUSE YOU HAVE EIGHT-LANE HIGHWAYS, AND A LOT OF THE ROADWAYS ARE JUST NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE AMOUNT OF LANES IN A PARTICULAR CORRIDOR.
>> OKAY. IS STREET RESURFACING STRICTLY A SCHEDULE THING OR YOU CONSTANTLY ASSES IT BASED ON THE ASSESSMENT AND NEED AT THE TIME? BECAUSE THERE IS A SCHEDULE FOR STREET RESURFACING THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT AND WE'VE TALKED TO RESIDENTS ABOUT.
IS IT THAT IN MOST CASES, THE SCHEDULE IS CORRECT OR ARE THESE THINGS ASSESSED AND CHANGED BASED ON NEED?
>> OFTENTIMES THE CONDITION OF THE ROAD CORRELATES TO THE AGE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES WITH HOW IT WAS CONSTRUCTED, WHAT'S THE DRAINAGE CONDITIONS, THE DRAINAGE AFFECTS THE UNDERLYING ROADWAY BASE, AND IF THE BASE STARTS TO SATURATE, THE PAVEMENT IS ONLY AS GOOD AS WHAT'S UNDERNEATH.
IT, AND THE PAVEMENT IS ACTUALLY VERY FLEXIBLE AND IT'LL CRACK AND IS VERY SUSCEPTIBLE TO THERMAL PRESSURES LIKE THE SUBSTANTIAL HEAT THAT WE EXPERIENCE.
IF YOU HAVE A ROADWAY THAT'S UNDER CANOPY, OFTENTIMES AND IT HAS WELL DRAINING AND OFTENTIMES IT'LL LAST LONGER THAN A 30 YEAR LIFECYCLE.
THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS THAT ARE CONSIDERED AND MY RECOMMENDATION IS FOR OUR STAFF TO GO OUT AND ASSESS THE ROADWAYS EVERY TWO YEARS.
WE COULD JUST DO THAT WITH OUR STAFF AND WHAT I'M ACCUSTOMED TO, JUST SO YOU KNOW, I HAVE 19 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WITH MARTIN COUNTY AND I OVERSAW A ROAD WAY RESURFACING PROGRAM OF OVER 500 MILES A ROAD, AND WE BASE THE CONDITION ON THE REPAIR METHOD.
IT WAS LESS SUBJECTIVE TO JUST A SCORE OR A NUMBER THAT'S OFTEN REFERRED TO AS A PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX.
IF WE GO OFF OF THE REPAIR METHOD, IT'S JUST A LOT EASIER TO PRIORITIZE.
ALSO, WE PROGRAM PROJECTS NOT ONLY ON THE CONDITION, BUT WHAT ELSE IS HAPPENING IN THE TOWN.
WE WILL COORDINATE WITH UTILITIES.
THEY HAVE A DRAINAGE PROJECT GOING ON.
WE HAVE DOLPHIN DRIVE PROGRAM FOR RESURFACING NEXT YEAR.
THEY WILL PERFORM THEIR IMPROVEMENTS, THEY'LL RESTORE THE ROAD TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO THE OVERLAYS.
ENGINEERING IS GOING TO COME IN AND PAVE THE ROAD.
IT'S ALL NICE AND UNIFORM AND LOOKS GOOD.
ALSO, WE'RE TEAMING UP WITH UTILITIES, AS MENTIONED, WITH THE GUTTER REPLACEMENT AND A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
A LOT OF THAT IS SOMETIMES THE DRAINAGE CONDITION IS WORSE THAN THE PAVEMENT,
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BUT THE DRAINAGE NEEDS TO GET ADDRESSED, JUST BECAUSE A ROADWAY WILL NEED TO GET REPRIORITIZE BASED ON ANOTHER PROJECT.NOW, IF THE ROADWAYS IS FAIRLY NEW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO RESURFACE THE WHOLE ROAD.
THERE'S A LOT OF FACTOR [OVERLAPPING] CONSIDER AND VARIABLES, YES, AS YOU MENTIONED, THE PRIORITY IS DYNAMIC, AND I RECOMMEND ASSESSING IT EVERY TWO YEARS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE PLAN TO DO.
>> JUST TO ADD TO THAT, BASED ON MY QUESTIONING OF YOU AND RESPONSES AND CONVERSATION.
THE LAST TIME THAT STAFF DID A SIGNIFICANT CONDITION ASSESSMENT WAS FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO, CORRECT?
>> YES. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE WAS A THE TOWN HIRED A CONSULTANT TO PERFORM A TOWN WIDE ASSESSMENT, AND THEY UTILIZED THE PCI CONDITION METHOD BASED OFF OF, THEIR INSTRUMENTS THEY USED TO ANALYZE THE ROADWAYS.
>> BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE IN MARTIN COUNTY, YOU FOUND THAT TO BE HIGHLY VARIABLE RATE.
>> I JUST SAY THIS TO MY COLLEAGUES, BECAUSE ALL OF US HAVE GET ASKED ABOUT RESURFACING AND ALL OF US, I THINK, HAVE CERTAINLY ONES THAT HAVE BEEN HERE, REFERRED TO THE CIP TO TELL NEIGHBORHOODS WHAT'S DONE.
OF COURSE, I KNOW AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE ALL KNOW THAT THE BASIS FOR PREVIOUS ONES WASN'T FOUNDED AS GOOD AS IN HINDSIGHT, WE WOULD HAVE LIKED IT TO HAVE BEEN.
THEN THE LESS HAD LEARN, I THINK THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME WE DID THE PAVEMENT CONDITION ASSESSMENT PROCESS.
YOU THINK YOU CAN RELY UPON IT, BUT WHEN YOU GO OUT A YEAR OR TWO LATER, AND THE FACT WE WEREN'T DOING IT EVERY TWO YEARS, SO THE PROPOSED NEW PROCESS IS, STAFF IS GOING TO DO IT EVERY TWO YEARS.
THEN DONHAM SHOULD BE SURPRISED.
TO SEE THAT IN TWO YEARS, SOME ROADS MAY HAVE ACCELERATED FAILURE, MORE THAN OTHERS, SO IT'S GOING TO ADJUST WE SHOULD PROBABLY FOOTNOTE THIS SHEET AS A CAUTION BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW BECAUSE WE'VE PROBABLY HEARD FROM SOME OF THE SAME NEIGHBORS NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THEY SEE ON HERE AND IT JUST LIKE A FRESH COLD ASPHALT AND BUT THE REALITIES OF IT ISN'T THAT CLEAN.
I CAN SPEAK TO IT, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE ALL FEEL COMFORTABLE IN DOING THAT.
THEN CASE AND POINT ON DOLPHIN DRIVE IS AN EXAMPLE.
WE'VE BEEN ENCOURAGED BY ONE PROPERTY OWNER TO TAKE A LOOK.
I THE WATER PROJECT HAS REMOVED ASPHALT AND SUB BASE TO DO THE PROJECT.
THAT UTILITY PROJECT HAS TO RESTORE THE SUB BASE AS PART OF THAT PROJECT BECAUSE IF THE CONTRACTOR WERE TO CUT CORNERS, THEN THAT INCREASES THE COST, WHEN WE COME BACK IN AND PAVE IT NEXT YEAR.
THAT WAS THE POINT HE'S SAYING IS THE CONDITION OF THE SUB-BASE, REALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE ON HOW LONG YOU TO LIVE.
I KNOW UP IN PORT ST. LUCY, I THINK THEY REPAVE EVERY 10 YEARS BECAUSE THERE IS NO SUB-BASE.
IT CRACKS AND FALLS APART IN A YEAR OR TWO.
>> REPLACE IN THE TRENCH IS COMPACTED CORRECTLY, LIKE EVERY. COMPACT FOOT.
>> IF YOU DON'T DO IT CORRECTLY, YOU WILL DO IT IN.
>> WHAT HAPPENS IS THE NEWER DEVELOPMENTS, BUT OF THE LAST 20 YEARS TEND TO HAVE THE STAFF MADE SURE THAT THERE WAS A GOOD SUB-BASE, AND THEN THOSE, CAN PROBABLY GET THE 20 YEAR LIFE.
BUT WE HAVE CHARTER NEIGHBORHOODS AND OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS AND POSSIBLY LIKE A DOLPHIN DRIVE THAT MAY NEVER HAD HAD THAT QUALITY OF A SUB-BASE, AND THEREFORE, THE INTERVAL MAY NEED TO BE HIGHER, BUT THANK YOU.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL BENEFITED FROM YOU>> R EXPERTISE ON THAT.
>> MAY I HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION? OUR ENGINEER LEAVES THE PODIUM? [LAUGHTER].
>> REGARDING BACK TO THE SALFIS BAY SEA WALL.
ONE THING I NOTE IS SEAWALL BOEING REPLACEMENT MOVEMENT ME.
I UNDERSTAND THE BOEING WITH THE VINYL THING, BUT HOW DID WE DETERMINE THAT WE ACTUALLY HAD MOVEMENT OF THE SEA WALL? DID WE LOOK AT ARE THE CRACKS DEVELOPING BETWEEN THE SEA WALL AND THE WALKWAY AND THINGS LIKE THAT?
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WE SEE ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT?>> I HAD NOT SEEN ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT.
THAT'S WHEN WE GET INTO DESIGN, WE CAN GET TO MORE OF THE DETAILS AND REALLY WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS BRINGING IN A GEOTECHNICAL CONSULTANT.
WE HAVE THOSE ON STAFF OR WE CAN INCORPORATE THAT WHEN WE SELECTED THE PRIMARY DESIGN CONSULTANT, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE COULD REALLY GET INTO MORE OF THE ANALYSIS.
ALSO WE CAN POSSIBLY PULL SOME OF THE SIDEWALK PANELS TO REALLY SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE LANDWARD SIDE OF THE SEA WALL.
>> RIGHT NOW, YOU THINK THE CRACKING AND SPALLING OF THE CAP IS PRIMARILY DUE JUST TO THE NORMAL BOEING BECAUSE OF THE MATERIAL USED TO MANUFACTURE THE SEA WALL.
>> THE WIN SO THE CONCRETE CRACKS.
>> THAT'S JUST THE NATURE OF THE MATERIAL.
FOR SEA WALLS, OFTENTIMES, THERE'S FLEXURAL CRACKING FROM THE WALL WALL MOVEMENT OR DISPLACEMENT OR OFTENTIMES IT'S THE CORROSION OF THE STEEL REINFORCEMENT.
I DID NOTICE IN THE REPORT, I SAW SEAL EXPOSE.
THAT JUST LEADS ME, BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE, A LOT OF IT DURING CONSTRUCTION, THEY DON'T PROVIDE THE ADEQUATE COVERAGE OF STEEL REINFORCEMENT.
WHEN THAT STEEL CORRODES WHEN STEEL CORRODES, IT EXPANDS, AND IT HAS NOWHERE TO GO BUT POP THE CONCRETE, OR CRACK THE CONCRETE.
WHEN THE CONCRETE STARTS CRACKING, THAT'S WHERE YOU GET THAT SALTWATER INTRUSION, AND THEN IT JUST ACCELERATES THE CORROSION.
THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THE CONCRETE IS ACTUALLY POPPING OFF.
WHAT WE WOULD DO IS, AND I'VE DONE THIS ON A LOT OF BRIDGES AND A LOT OF SEA WALLS IN MY EXPERIENCE.
YOU JUST YOU BUST THE CONCRETE OFF, IN THE SECTIONS, AND YOU CHIP IT OFF AND YOU CLEAN THE STEEL, YOU COAT IT WITH REBAR, YOU CAN EVEN INSERT ZINC FOR ELECTROLYSIS.
I MIGHT BE GETTING A LITTLE TOO DETAILED OR TECHNICAL FOR THE COUNSEL, BUT.
>> I KNOW THE AUDIENCE OF WHO'S ASKING THE QUESTION, BUT.
THERE'S CORRECTIVE MEASURES WE COULD DO FOR CONCRETE RESTORATION.
THAT'S A LOT OF THAT'S PART OF MAINTENANCE FOR SEA WALLS OR CONCRETE IN GENERAL IN A MARINE ENVIRONMENT.
>> WHEN YOU GO BACK AND REASSESS THIS CIP PROJECT, WILL YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE CAP ITSELF, AND WE DO A REHAB ON IT? WHAT'S THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF IT? SHOULD THE WALL ACTUALLY MOVE? WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS IS REPLACE THE CAP THAT EXPENSE, THEN A YEAR OR TWO LATER FIND OUT WE'VE GOT TO REPLACE THE SEA WALL AND THE CAP AGAIN.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE SOLID ON WHERE WE'RE GOING FORWARD WITH THIS.
>> ABSOLUTELY. THAT'LL BE PART OF OUR TASK ONE DESIGN.
THAT'S, WE'LL DO A FULL ANALYSIS AND INVESTIGATION AND THEN PROVIDE A DESIGN FOR THE REHAB AND THE NATURE BASED SOLUTIONS.
>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT.
PUT AWAY, THE SET EXPECTATIONS.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU CAN COME UP WITH A GOOD ESTIMATE FOR THAT WORK.
I'M JUST BEING, SO REALISTICALLY, YEAR ONE, YOU DO ENGINEERING AND YOU COME BACK WITH THAT NUMBER IS THE PRACTICAL THING.
BUT, I LOOKED AT IT AND IT'S IT'S SALTWATER CORROSION IS WHAT IT IS.
I DON'T SEE ANY EVIDENCE OF STRUCTURAL, THAT WALL, AND I THINK I HEARD FROM A MEMBER OF STAFF THAT IT WAS BUILT NOT ALIGNED, NOT UNCOMMON FOR THAT CONSTRUCTION, BUT I JUST WANT TO SHARE THAT TO DO IT RIGHT.
WE NEED TO DO SEAWALL REDEEMING. I LOVE THOSE WORDS.
I DIDN'T KNOW THEM UNTIL YOU EXPLAINED.
WE NEED TO DO SEAWALL REDEEMING AND TO DO THAT.
YOU NEED TO EXPLORE, AND IT'S ESPECIALLY TYPE OF WORK TO WELL, NOT NECESSARILY TO CHIP OFF CONCRETE, BUT YOU MAY ALSO BE USING SOME INJECTION TO FILL THE CRACKING AND WHATEVER.
YOU PROBABLY HAVE A COMBINATION OF BOTH, BUT AGAIN, I JUST I THINK THE BUDGET CAN BE SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED. PLEASE DO THAT.
BUT THEN ALSO PLEASE NOTE THAT I'M RECOGNIZING THAT YOU NEED TO EVALUATED AND DEFINE THE SCOPE, SO YOU CAN REASONABLY ESTIMATE THE COST, BUT IT'LL BE SIGNIFICANT LESS THAN REPLACING IT.
WE'LL WORK WITH PLANNING AND ZONING ON THE PROJECT MOVING FORWARD, AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO GET INTO DESIGN AND WE'LL INCORPORATE SPECIALIZED CONSULTANTS TO ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATION FOR A DESIGN MOVING FORWARD.
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THE REDEEMING IS ACTUALLY INCORPORATING REHAB WITH NEW NATURE BASED SOLUTIONS.IT COULD INCLUDE ADDING ARMORING TO THE ACTUAL WALL.
STEPHANIE ACTUALLY RESEARCHED SOME PRETTY INNOVATIVE CONCEPTS, FOR SEDIMENT ACCUMULATION AND OYSTER GROWTH THAT CAN ASSIST WITH REINFORCING THE WALL ITSELF.
>> I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUICK QUESTION IF IT'S ALL RIGHT ON WATER QUALITY AGAIN.
HEARING RESIDENTS TALKING ABOUT THE WATER TESTING AND SO FORTH.
YOU MENTIONED IN HERE YOU USED TO HAVE SAMPLINGS ON A MONTHLY BASIS AND YOU WERE TAKEN THEM FROM HOSE BIBS AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AND THEY WOULD CONTAMINATE.
YOU'RE NOW GOING TO HAVE A NEW PROCESS.
WHAT IS THE PROCESS NOW YOU REFER TO IT AS TOWN OWNED SAMPLINGS? YOU EXPLAIN THAT?
>> I THINK YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE WATER QUALITY SAMPLING SPACE? PROJECT. THAT IS A MULTI YEAR PROJECT THAT WE STARTED LAST YEAR, THE YEAR BEFORE.
SORRY, I CAN'T KEEP TRACK OF TIME.
YES, WE'RE INSTALLING RIGHT NOW, WE ARE REQUIRED BY OUR REGULATIONS TO DO SAMPLING THROUGHOUT OUR DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM, AND WE DO THAT FROM TYPICALLY HOSE BIDS ON THE SIDE OF HOMES.
WE ARE INSTALLING SAMPLE STATIONS, WHICH ARE BASICALLY A CONNECTION DOWN TO THE WATER MAIN AND THEN THEY'LL BE A STATION WITH A BOX WHERE OUR LAB CAN OPEN THE BOX AND THERE'S A SPIGOT THERE THAT'S BEEN PROTECTED.
WHAT HAPPENS WITH THESE HOSE BIBS IS BUGS OR VEGETATION CAN ACCUMULATE AROUND THE HOSE BIB AND CAUSE THE SAMPLE TO READ BAD, WHERE OUR WATER IS FINE, BUT THE SAMPLE COMES OUT BAD AND THEN WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND RETEST.
THE SAMPLE STATIONS JUST PROTECT THE SAMPLE LOCATION.
GIVE GIVES US A MORE REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE FROM OUR DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE GETTING FROM A HOSE BIB IS REALLY THE CUSTOMER SIDE OF THE MEDIA.
>> IS THIS SOMETHING YOU DO MONTHLY?
>> YES. I MEAN, WE SAMPLE EVERY DAY.
>> I GUESS I MOVED TO COMMENTS AND I WENT TO LAST ON THE QUESTIONS LIKE I'M GOING TO GO FIRST IN THE COMMENTS.
I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT POLICY PROPOSALS, BUT FOR MY COLLEAGUES, I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THIS IS A WORKSHOP.
COUNCILS HISTORICALLY ARE NOT GOOD ABOUT ESTABLISHING A POLICY, AND THEREIN, YOU HAVE INCONSISTENT PRACTICES.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIND SOLUTIONS THAT I DIDN'T EXPECT THAT PEOPLE WERE GOING TO AGREE ON, HOWEVER, IMMEDIATELY, BUT I THOUGHT, IF I PROPOSE THEM OUT THERE, THEY GET IN WRITTEN UP, EVERYBODY HAS A CHANCE TO EDIT IT AS YOU WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT, BUT THEN WE'VE GIVEN GUIDANCE FOR FUTURE.
THAT'S WHY EARLIER, FOR EXAMPLE, WE TALKED ABOUT, IF THERE'S A GRANT, IT SHOULD BE LISTED AND THEN THE FUNDING SHOULD BE LAST, THEN WE KNOW THE EXPECTATIONS.
THAT WAS ONE POLICY, BUT HOW IT GETS WORDED TO WHAT EVERYBODY'S COMFORTABLE, BUT IT DOES COME BACK TO US.
BUT THEN IT IS COMING BACK TO US, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE A CHANGE.
ANYWAY, I TRY TO CATEGORIZE ISSUES I'VE BEEN HAVING WITH THE BUDGET.
I'M GOING TO JUST SAY FIRST, ISSUE ONE IS THE CARRY FORD FUNDING PRACTICES.
I DO BELIEVE WE NEED TO IMPROVE THAT.
JUST TO SHARE A BACKGROUND IS IF WE LOOK AT THE CIP SPENDING PLAN, FOR THE 26-30, IT'S $127 MILLION.
THAT'S ABOUT 25 MILLION A YEAR.
IF WE LOOK AT THE CARRY FORDS CAPITAL FUNDS, AND THIS IS PROVIDED IN OUR BOOK AND I JUST PUT IN A SPREADSHEET, AS I ALWAYS DO, AND TO THE FINANCE DIRECTOR, I'LL GIVE YOU A COPY OF WHAT I'M SPEAKING FROM SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE NOTES.
YOU CAN STILL TAKE NOTES IF YOU WANT.
BUT THE UNSPENT CARRY FORD INTO THE CIP WAS ABOUT $71 MILLION.
NOW, THAT'S THE PROJECTS IN THE CIP AND DOESN'T INCLUDE WHAT'S CALLED
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THE HISTORICAL PROJECTS THAT HAVE FALLEN OUT OF THE CIP BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN FUNDED, AND THAT'S ANOTHER $54 MILLION IN UNSPENT CARRY FORD, AND THEN THERE'S ENCUMBRANCE ON THAT.WHAT ENCUMBRANCES ARE IS WE GOT CONTRACT COMMITMENTS.
THE NET OF THE HISTORICAL PROJECTS IS 36.5 MILLION.
IF YOU ADD THE UNSPENT CARRY FORD AND THEN HISTORICAL LESS ENCUMBRANCES, YOU'VE GOT 126 MILLION BUCKS, ABOUT THE SAME NUMBER IRONICALLY.
I'VE BEEN SITTING HERE FOR YEARS SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT? IF OUR TYPICAL SPIN RATE CAN VARY BECAUSE WE GET BIG PROJECTS AND IT VARIES, BUT I'M JUST TALKING SIMPLISTICALLY HERE, WHICH I THINK YOU CAN AT A HIGH LEVEL, IS THAT WE COME IN EACH BUDGET YEAR WITH FIVE YEARS OF FUNDING THAT IS JUST BEING CARRIED FORWARD.
I THINK THAT WE NEED TO MAKE CHANGES.
REASON IS BECAUSE THAT'S TIED UP FUNDING.
PEOPLE GET ON COUNSEL AND YOU NEVER GET TO INFLUENCE ANYTHING BECAUSE ALL THE MONEY IS THIS AVALANCHE OF FUNDING THAT'S CARRIED FORWARDS THAT OUGHT TO BE REVISITED BY SOME PROCESS.
FOR YEARS, STAFF HAS DONE A GREAT JOB, PARTICULARLY OUR FINANCE TEAM IN PROVIDING THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEVER NORMALLY GOT IN THE PAST.
BUT WE OUGHT TO THEN USE THE INFORMATION WE'RE GETTING.
I JUST WANT TO SHARE THAT I MADE IT WHAT COULD WE DO AND WE'RE DOING SOME OF IT.
I'M NOT SUGGESTING I'M PROPOSING ANYTHING THAT ISN'T ALREADY HAPPENING.
I JUST WANT TO ACCELERATE THAT IS NUMBER 1, IF YOU HAVE $126 MILLION IN IN CARRY FORD FUNDING.
CERTAINLY, YOU COULD CONSIDER CANCELING PROJECTS IF WE'RE SO INCLINED AND YOU'D BE ACTING ON THE ONES IN THE BOOK.
WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE PREVIOUS WORKSHOP STAFF WAS TRYING TO LEAD US TO COMMENT ON THAT.
I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WERE REALLY FULLY PREPARED TO WEIGH IN.
I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU SO THEY LED US THERE WAS LIKE, IS THERE ANY OF THE HISTORICAL ONES YOU WANT TO CANCEL? WE SHOULD ALWAYS BE ASKING THAT BECAUSE PRIORITIES CHANGE.
THEN WE SHOULD SWEEP UNSPENT CARRY FORD PROJECTS TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT POSSIBLE.
AGAIN, HE WAS ASKING FOR INPUT A FINANCE DIRECTOR AND THE TEAM SPEND CARRY FORDS TO SWEEP IT AND THEY DO THAT.
THE IMPROVEMENT WOULD BE SIMPLY TO BE MORE DILIGENT ABOUT IT.
WE WERE ASKED TO COMMENT ABOUT THAT AND SO I HAD COMMENTED BECAUSE WE WEREN'T REALLY ABLE TO WERE PREPARED EARLY ON, I HAD PASSED ON, THERE'S 12 PROJECTS, AND THAT WAS ABOUT AS MORE THAN $1 MILLION OF UNSPENT MONEY THAT NOW CAN BE SWEPT.
IT GETS SWEPT BACK INTO THE FUNDING SOURCES.
THEN LET'S JUST SAY IF SOME OF THAT SWEEP BACK IS ADARM TAXES, AS AN EXAMPLE, I WAS HOPING THAT BY NOW IT'S ALMOST THE END OF AUGUST.
WE HAVE A GOOD ASSESSMENT OF WHAT THAT COULD BE.
I'D PREFER TO SWEEP BACK TO HAPPEN NOW.
THEN MAYBE THE RED ON ADAM TAXES ISN'T RED BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE MONEY THAT'S BEEN SWEPT BACK IN.
BUT WE GO TO HAVE A PROCESS ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN, I DO BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO CHANGE THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT AND FISCAL MANAGEMENT PRACTICES TO SWEEP FUNDING FOR PROJECTS THAT DESPITE FUNDING LANGUISHED FOR YEARS, AND THERE'S ONE IN HERE AND THERE'S REASONS FOR EVERYTHING.
I'M NOT FINDING FAULT WITH ANYBODY HERE, BUT JUST IF I REALLY ANALYZE THE PROCESS, WE HAD ONE PROJECT, I WAS NITROGEN BLANKETING THAT HAS HAD $100,000 CARRY FORWARD OF UNUSED FUNDING FOR MORE THAN TEN YEARS.
I UNDERSTAND AND IT'S ON CIP PAGE 70, 71, AND I JUST USE THAT NOT TO PICK ON THAT PROJECT, BUT THAT WAS THE MOST EXTREME, BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD EVER ALLOW PROJECTS TO LANGUISH THAT LONG WITHOUT HAVING BEEN SWEPT.
POLICY ITEM, I THINK AND WE CAN DEBATE ABOUT HOW LONG THIS SHOULD BE, BUT I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME CUT POINT BECAUSE THEY CAN STILL COME BACK AND ASK FOR FUNDING, BUT THERE OUGHT TO BE SOME AUTOMATIC CUT POINT AND THEN YOU'VE GOT TO COME BACK GET SWEPT AND YOU ASK FOR FUNDING.
I LIVED IN THAT ENVIRONMENT FOR DECADES,
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SO I THINK THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT APPROACH.WHEN BUDGETED PROJECTS ARE DEFERRED FOR AND QUITE FRANKLY, IF IT'S DEFERRED FOR MORE THAN A YEAR AND WE THEN I'M GOING TO START QUESTIONING THE FUNDING ALLOCATIONS AND MAYBE THEY SHOULD BE SWEPT AND WITH NEW BUDGET REQUESTS MADE OR AS REQUIRED.
WE'RE NOT MAKING A DECISION TONIGHT, BUT YOU CERTAINLY CAN'T HAVE PROJECTS THAT WE FUNDED MORE THAN TEN YEARS AGO AND EVERY YEAR WE STAFF THOUGHT, WELL, WE NEEDED TO DO IT, BUT WE DON'T GET AROUND IT FOR TEN YEARS.
I SUBMIT TO YOU THAT PROVES YOU DIDN'T NEED IT TO BE FUNDED UNTIL NOW.
BY HAVING SOME CRITERIA EMPOWERING THE PROCESS TO JUST YOU'RE GOING TO AUTOMATICALLY SWEEP IT AND THEN GET BACK INTO BUDGET.
I LIVED UNDER THAT PROCESS FOR DECADES WITH THE UTILITY I WORKED FOR.
THEN I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE TO APPLY LESSONS LEARNED TO FUNDING PLANS FOR ALL PROJECTS WITHIN THE 26-30 SPENDING PLAN, AND WE NEED TO ADJUST FISCAL YEAR SPENDING AMOUNTS TO PRECLUDE SUCH SUCCESSIVE UNSPENT CARRY FORWARD AMOUNTS BY SETTING VALID BUDGET PLANS FOR EACH FISCAL YEAR.
I THINK WE NEED TO DISCONTINUE LUMP SUM SINGLE YEAR BUDGETING PRACTICES FOR PROJECTS WITH MULTI YEAR IMPLEMENTATION SCHEDULES, AND I'M GOING TO PROVIDE SOME EXAMPLES.
IT'S A POLICY BECAUSE IT'S A PRACTICE THAT IS NOT BEING CONSISTENTLY APPLIED BY ALL DEPARTMENTS.
IT DOES APPLY. I HAVE EIGHT WATER UTILITY PROJECTS AND FIVE STORMWATER UTILITY PROJECTS, AND I'LL GIVE EXAMPLES AND I GAVE IT TO STAFF.
JUST TWO EXAMPLES JUST TO ILLUSTRATE.
WE HAVE A PINE GARDENS NORTH SEMINOLE DRAINAGE BASIN PROJECT, WHICH WE'RE FUNDING FULLY 2.2 MILLION IN FISCAL YEAR 29, AND IT'S TARGET COMPLETE IN THE THIRD QUARTER OF 2031.
AS A PROJECT MANAGER THAT WAS HELD TO A DIFFERENT STANDARD ON BUDGETING, I WOULD GET IN YEAR ONE TO BUDGETING TO DO ENGINEERING.
YOU PLAN THEN YOU COME BACK THE NEXT YEAR, BUT YOU WOULDN'T LUMP IT ALL ONE YEAR AND THEN CARRY IT FORTH, 100% OF LEFTOVER GOT SWEPT.
THAT'S ON PAGE BY THE WAY, 14141.
THEN THE PRODUCTION WELL REPLACEMENTS ON PAGE 86, 87, THE BUDGETED COSTS INCREASED FROM 4.9 MILLION LAST YEAR TO 8.1 MILLION THIS YEAR, AND THE BUDGETARY FUNDING IS EARMARKED FOR LUMP SUM SPENDING OF 3.7000027 AND 4.4000029 AND EFFECTIVELY SET ASIDE FOR FOUR FISCAL YEARS PRIOR TO THE TARGET IN SERVICE DATES OF FOURTH QUARTER 24TH QUARTER 2032.
I SUBMIT TO YOU WHAT OCCURRED TO ME IS THIS AVALANCHE OF IF WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE IT EVERY YEAR, IF WE LUMP SUM BUDGET THAT FAR IN ADVANCE, ALL THE MONEY.
I DON'T SEE ANY LOGIC FOR DOING IT.
I JUST WOULD LIKE THAT TO CHANGE.
AGAIN, I'M JUST GOING TO REPEAT.
WE'RE GOING TO PUT 3.7 MILLION FUNDING LUMP SUM SET ASIDE IN 27, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO GO INTO SERVICE TO 20TH FOURTH QUARTER.
THEN ON THE OTHER WELL, WE'RE GOING TO SET ASIDE 4.4000029 AND IT'S NOT GOING TO GO INTO SERVICE TO 2032, FOURTH QUARTER.
I JUST THINK THAT WE NEED TO MAKE A CHANGE.
IT CAN BE DONE. STAFF TO SOME DEGREE IS FOLLOWING THE PRACTICE THAT HAS BEEN DONE FOR YEARS.
BUT WHAT'S THE CONSEQUENCE OF IT? I NEVER KNOW, AND I WOULD THINK YOU ALL DON'T KNOW WHAT'S THE FUNDING HEALTH WE HAVE IF WE'RE EARMARKING CONSUMING RENEWAL AND REPLACEMENT FUNDING REALLY YEARS BEFORE WE NEED TO, BECAUSE I LOOK AT THAT.
WHAT'S LEFT IN RENEWAL AND REPLACEMENT AS AN EXAMPLE.
I UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE, BY THE WAY, TOO, SOME OF THE ISSUES, STAFFS RELUCTANCE TO DO THIS PARTICULARLY ON SMALLER PROJECTS BECAUSE THEY'D RATHER HAVE ALL THE FUNDS SO THEY HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY I'M OPEN TO ALLOW FOR
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DURING YEAR CIP PROJECT FUNDING ACCELERATIONS FROM THE NEXT YEAR.I THINK WE ALL WOULD BE, THINK ABOUT THAT AS A COUNCIL. WE DO THAT OPERATING.
IF SOMETHING COMES UP, WE DO IT ALL THE TIME, WE ADJUST BUDGETS.
I'D RATHER EVEN ON SMALL PROJECTS.
I ONLY TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE OF THE BIG PROJECTS, BUT THERE ARE SMALLER PROJECTS WHERE ALL THE FUNDING IS IN YEAR ONE, AND THEN IT'S PLANNED BY FOURTH QUARTER THE NEXT YEAR.
WELL, THAT'S TYPICALLY CONSTRUCTION IN THE SECOND YEAR CRISTA WILL SAY, WELL, GEE, WHAT IF I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET IT DONE IN YEAR ONE? WELL, WE CAN ADJUST.
I'D RATHER PLAN IT MORE LIKE IT'S REALITY GOING TO HAPPEN, AND THEN IF SOMETHING OPPORTUNITY COMES UP, I THINK WE'D ALL FEEL GOOD AND OKAY ABOUT, WE'RE JUST ACCELERATING SOMETHING FROM NEXT YEAR INTO THIS YEAR, AS OPPOSED TO ALLOWING THIS $126 MILLION AVALANCHE OF CARRY FORDS FUNDING YEAR TO YEAR.
THE CONSEQUENCE WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE GOING DOWN.
WE'RE MANAGING, DIFFERENTLY, BUT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE A CHANGE THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE REQUESTED BY MORE THAN JUST ME TO MAKE HAPPEN.
MOVING ON TO ISSUE TWO, PROJECT FUNDING INADEQUACIES.
I TALKED ABOUT THE STREET RESURFACING, WHICH REALLY WAS THE OPINION OF OUR ENGINEERING DIRECTOR AND MY ASK TO FIND A WAY TO INCREASE, AND I REALIZE WE'RE IN THE RED ALREADY, BUT I THINK TO DO RIGHT, WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO FIND $750,000 ANNUALLY TO NOT FALL BEHIND ON THAT.
THE ATHLETIC R 2503, WHICH IS ATHLETIC FIELD REPAIRS AND RESURFACING AT CIP PAGE 38, 39, YOU SAW AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY THAT WE REDUCED THE FUNDING IN 2026 BY $1.3 MILLION.
BY THE WAY, LET ME CONTINUE TO TRY TO EMPHASIZE THIS.
THIS BUDGET HAS BEEN AN EXTRAORDINARY CHALLENGE.
STAFF TOOK A FIRST CUT AT THE PRIORITIES.
THEY WERE DIFFICULT DECISIONS, PARTICULARLY ON PARKS AND WRECKS.
THAT ONE THEY PROPOSED TO DEFER STUFF, THE CIP SHEET SCOPE WORK EDITS CAUSED ME TO QUESTION WHETHER MULTI PURPOSE FIELD RESTORATIONS HAVE BEEN DEFERRED TO FUTURE YEAR UNKNOWNS.
WHILE STAFF GOT BACK WITH ME INITIALLY, THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON DEFINING THAT, BUT I DO THINK THAT'S THE CASE.
I BELIEVE THE COUNCIL LAST YEAR HAD PUT THAT ITEM IN THERE BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO BEGIN TO CATCH UP ON MULTI PURPOSE FEEL RESTORATIONS.
NOW IN THIS CYCLE, IN THE DRAFT, THAT'S BEEN DEFERRED.
WHILE I REALIZE PLAYGROUNDS ARE IMPORTANT, IT'S WE HAVE TO ACHIEVE A BALANCE.
FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I SAID IT IN THE PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD, WE'VE GOT TO ACCELERATE SOME OF THOSE FIELD RESTORATIONS.
I'VE BEEN HEARING FOR YEARS THAT WE'VE BEEN NEGLECTING IT FOR FAR TOO LONG.
OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT WAS EVEN TRYING TO FIND OUT WHEN THE LAST TIME LIGHTHOUSE WAS DONE AND I'M NOT FINDING FAULT IN SAYING THAT.
SOME OF THIS HAS BEEN SO LONG AGO.
I THINK THAT LIKELY NEEDS INCREASE FUNDING.
WE ALSO HAVE TO FIND THAT FUNDING, BUT I JUST WANT TO THROW THAT ONE OUT THERE.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF THE PARKS ONES, BUT I THINK WE COULD STILL CHOOSE TO WORK ON THIS, SOME OF THAT EVEN AFTER THE BUDGET IS ESTABLISHED, BECAUSE I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, PARTICULARLY IN PARKS AND REC, THAT WE REALLY VET IT AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A CONSENSUS ON WHAT GETS INCLUDED IN WHAT ORDER.
THE SPENDING REDUCTION OPPORTUNITIES.
SAMISH BAY SEAWALL REPLACEMENTS, WHICH WAS ALREADY DISCUSSED, THIS IS JUST ANOTHER CATEGORY.
I WENT THROUGH OF AND SO ON THE SAMISH BAY HISTORIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPROVEMENTS, CIP PAGE 66 AND 67 THE SAME COMMENT THAT I HAD IN THE CRA WOULD APPLY ON THAT ONE.
THE GRANT FUNDING GOAL SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THAT PROJECT ALONG WITH THE REDUCTION IN ACQUIRED GENERAL REVENUE FUNDING.
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THEN THAT WOULD THEN BECOME CONTINGENT UPON SUCCESSFUL GRANT OUTCOMES UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT THE COUNCIL DECIDES YOU TRIED TO GET A GRANT, WE DIDN'T GET IT, NOW WE'RE GOING TO FULLY FUNDED.BUT I DO THINK THAT THAT'S A POLICY THAT CERTAINLY IF WE ALL REALLY THINK ABOUT IT IS LOGICAL AND SHOULD BECOME THE NEW AND APPROPRIATE CIP FUNDING PRACTICE.
THEN I HAVE A NUMBER OF MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS, I'LL RUN THROUGH.
R 2,100 TO JCP RENOVATION CIP PAGE 28 AND 29.
>> THERE'S $794,000 IN CARRY FORD FUNDS THAT PROVIDE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PERHAPS ADVANCE WORK TO EARLIER IN SERVICE DATE.
NOW I WANT TO BE CAREFUL ON THIS ITEM WITH PARKS AND REX BECAUSE I DO RECOGNIZE THERE'S A LIMITATION ON HOW MANY PROJECTS CAN BE MANAGED AT THE SAME TIME.
I WANTED TO POINT OUT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US UP HERE, IF WE KNOW THAT BECAUSE IT SIMILAR R1301, THE PARKS RESTORATION PROGRAM, CIP PAGE 24 AND 25, THERE'S $170,000 IN CARRY FORD FUNDING, AND THAT CAME FROM STAFF TODAY.
THEY'RE CONSTANTLY TRACKING BECAUSE I WAS ASKING, HAVE WE FINISHED ALL THE WORK WE HAD PROGRAMMED AND WHAT'S AVAILABLE? THEY ACTUALLY AND I APPRECIATE THE COMMENDABLE ATTITUDE ABOUT IT.
THEY WERE BUT ONLY IN COMMUNICATION WITH ME, WERE THEY SAYING THINGS COULD BE REALLOCATED.
BETWEEN THOSE TWO ITEMS, THERE'S ALMOST $1 MILLION BUT I'M GOING TO SUGGEST WE OUGHT TO BE MAYBE PUTTING IT ON A TABLE TO COME BACK TO, BUT NOT LOSING SIGHT OF AS WE HAVE DIFFICULT DECISIONS TO MAKE ON PARKS AND REX WITH THE FUNDING THAT WE HAVE.
BUT SO I DO THINK IT SHOULD BE.
THAT'S WHY I'M IDENTIFYING IT, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S PRACTICAL TO DEBATE UP HERE WHAT TO APPLY IT TO, BUT NONETHELESS, ACCEPT IT'S A CARRY FORWARD FUNDING THAT THERE WASN'T A 26 PER SE A FISCAL YEAR 26 PURPOSE FOR IT, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THEN THE PLAYGROUND RESTORATIONS ARE 2002, WHICH IS ON CAP, PAGE 30 AND 31.
NOW, FIVE ADDITIONAL PLAYGROUND RESTORATIONS ARE PLANNED TO INCLUDE SHADE STRUCTURES.
I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET AND I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
I MET WITH THE CONTRACTOR AND OUR STAFF, MET OUR NEW SUPERINTENDENT OF PARKS TO LOOK AT THE PRACTICALITIES REMOVING SUN SHADE MATERIALS, WHAT HURRICANE PREPAREDNESS REQUIREMENTS ARE.
OUR STAFF HAD IN THE OR IN A WEEKLY REPORT A COUPLE OF WEEKS BACK, HAD INDICATED THAT THEY RECOGNIZED IT WOULD TAKE ALL STAFF ON HAND TO DO IT.
I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S POSSIBLE WITH I THINK THERE'S SIGNIFICANT STAFF AND EQUIPMENT RESOURCES THAT DO NOT CURRENTLY EXIST.
I DON'T EVEN THINK IT'S FEASIBLE, AND BY THE WAY, THE RISK IS SO THE SHADE STRUCTURES.
THE GOOD NEWS IS THE SUNSHADE IS, THE STRUCTURE IS DESIGNED FOR A CAT 1 HURRICANE WIND WE DIDN'T HAVE TO REMOVE IT.
BUT IT'S ALSO DESIGNED THAT IF IF YOU WERE TO GET A MAJOR HURRICANE AND YOU LEFT THE SAILS UP, YOU COULD DAMAGE THE STRUCTURE.
BUT JUST HAVING EYEWITNESS WITHOUT A DEMONSTRATION, WHAT IT TAKES TO REMOVE THE SUNSHADE MATERIALS.
I DON'T THINK THE STAFF HAS EQUIPMENT OR STAFFING TO DO IT RIGHT NOW AND WE'RE GOING TO DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF SUNSHADES.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WORK THEY ALREADY HAD.
THEY CERTAINLY THEY HAVE HURRICANE PREPAREDNESS BEFORE WE THREW SUNSHADES AT THEM.
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I REALLY WAS MAKING THIS SO NOW I'M CONFIDENT STATING, I THINK STAFF MIGHT BE MORE RELUCTANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THIS, BUT I DON'T WANT THEM TO FEEL BAD WHEN THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO GET THEM ALL TAKEN DOWN AND SOME DAMAGE HAPPENS.LITERALLY, THE PROCESS IS, WHAT I HEARD IS YOU GET UP ON A 14 FOOT LADDER AND YOU USE A HAND RATCHET, YOU CAN'T EVEN USE A POWER TOOL, AND YOU START GOT A DESIGN ON HOW TO REMOVE THEM, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH LADDERS BECAUSE YOU TALKED ABOUT A THREE MAN CREW TAKING HALF A DAY TO DO A PARK.
THERE'S JUST A LOT OF THINGS TO BE CONSIDERED.
BUT LOOKING AHEAD, I'M NOT TRYING TO SQUELCH ANY OF THE A GOING FORTH EFFORTS, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT ON THE NEW PLAYGROUNDS, AND ACCORDING TO THE CONTRACTOR, THERE IS NO BETTER METHOD THAN WHAT THEY HAVE ON THE ABILITY TO REMOVE THE SHADES, AND BY THE WAY, IT TAKES TWICE AS LONG TO PUT THE SHADES BACK UP.
IF YOU EVER TOOK IT DOWN IN HURRICANE SEASON, THEN I THINK THE POLICY WOULD BE YOU LEAVE IT DOWN.
THAT'S SUCH A SIGNIFICANT EFFORT.
BUT I DO BELIEVE AND I HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CONTRACTOR AND I'M GOING TO FOLLOW UP ON THIS BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THERE HAS TO BE SOME WAY WE CAN DESIGN IT, SO IT'S LESS MANPOWER INTENSIVE AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A SAFER WAY FOR OUR STAFF TO BE ABLE TO DO IT.
>> THE DESIGNER WHEN THEY PUT THEM UP THERE, THEY DON'T HAVE SERVICES THAT WE CAN CONTRACT.
>> WELL, YOU THINK ABOUT THAT.
THEY TALKED ABOUT THAT, AND THEY WOULDN'T COMMIT TO THAT BECAUSE EVERYBODY WOULD WANT THEM.
THEY DO THEM AND PUT THEM UP ONE AT A TIME.
I'M NOT SAYING I UNDERSTAND MANY PEOPLE DON'T TAKE THEM DOWN, BUT AS WE'RE ESTABLISHING, WHAT IS OUR PROTOCOL GOING TO BE?
>> IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE DESIGNED FOR A CAT 1, ANYTHING AFTER THAT? IS IT MATERIALLY DESIGNED TO TEAR, OR IS IT JUST IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THE WHOLE STRUCTURE GETS TORQUED IN.
>> I THINK ALL THIS HAS TO BE LOOKED AT.
I DON'T WANT TO COME ACROSS AS THE EX.
>> THE WAY THEIR DESIGN IS SOMETHING JUST GET OFF THE LIT.
>> NO, BUT THEY ARE REQUIRED BY CODE, BY THE WAY, THE STRUCTURE ITSELF HAS TO WITHSTAND BASICALLY WHAT I THINK IS A CAT 5 HURRICANE.
APPARENTLY, WHAT THE CONTRACTOR TOLD ME WAS THERE'S DESIGN STANDARDS FROM PALM BEACH COUNTY SOUTH.
TO NORTH, THEY DON'T USE THE UPGRADED DESIGN STANDARDS, AND IS A VAST DIFFERENCE.
>> IT ALSO SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE DESIGNED TO BE DOWN THE ROAD, THE MATERIAL, THE SOUNDED LIKE IT'S A HEAVY SUNBRELLA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, JUST TO BE REPLACED BUT NOT REMOVED EASILY FOR STORMS.
>> THEY THINK THEY HAVE A PRACTICAL METHOD.
IT IS PRACTICAL, JUST SO I ONLY HAD ONE OR TWO OF THESE THINGS, BE A BAD THING, BUT WE'VE GOT FIVE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 10 PARKS.
>> I LIKE THE IDEA. I DON'T KNOW THE FIRST THING ABOUT THIS, AND MY GENERAL PRINCIPLE IS DEFER TO STAFF, DEFER TO THE EXPERTS.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE SAID TIME AND TIME AGAIN, AND IT IS A DESIRE.
THE COUNTY JUST PUT ONE ON CARLYN PARK.
IT IS WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS, WHETHER IT'S WORK FOR US OR NOT.
THAT SAID, THERE COULD BE WORKAROUNDS THAT YOU COULD TAKE IT DOWN FOR JUST THE STORM SEASON.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE A WONDERFUL IDEA.
THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES, I THINK.
>> I DON'T THINK THAT'S SUMMERTIME YET.
>> THEY WOULD DEFEAT THE PURPOSE.
>> IN FALL, IT'S NOT SUMMER, WHERE IT'S OUR HOTTEST.
BUT A SMALL PORTION OF THE YEAR TO FIND BALANCE.
BUT I DO THINK THAT THAT IS WHAT RESIDENTS WANT.
IN TERMS OF PRIORITY, YOU COULD FOCUS ON THE PARKS.
WE HAVE STAFF AT PARKS, JCP ACP.
THEY'RE THERE, THEY'RE ON HAND.
THERE ARE OTHER SECTIONS THAT ARE SHADED FOR BLEACHERS AND WHATNOT.
I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS.
BECAUSE THOSE DON'T HAVE STAFF.
THAT MAY BE A DIFFERENT STANDARD.
WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION BEFORE AT THE LAST MEETING.
BUT I WANT TO BE CAREFUL HERE BECAUSE IT IS A HUGE COMMUNITY NEED, AND THE COUNTY HADN'T EVEN BUDGETED FOR SHADE FOR CARLYN PARK.
IT IS SUCH A HIGH PRIORITY FOR THE COMMUNITY.
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>> UNDERSTAND. LET ME MAKE CLEAR.
I WANT TO ACCOMPLISH TWO THINGS WITH THIS ONE.
THIS HAS BEEN A SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY ASK AND COUNCIL COMMITMENT.
NUMBER 1, WE'RE IN HURRICANE SEASON.
I'M JUST WEIGHING IN AS THE MAYOR, SAYING IT'S AN UNREALISTIC EXPECTATION OF STAFF TO EXPECT THEM TO REMOVE ALL THESE.
I DON'T THINK IT CAN HAPPEN. I'M JUST ACCEPTING THAT.
WE REALLY HAVE TO PLAN IT OUT.
MAYBE BY NEXT YEAR, WE HAVE A BETTER PLAN.
I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE DON'T TRY TO DO SOME OF THEM IF A CAT 5 WAS COMING, BUT I JUST WANTED TO WEIGH IN BOTH AS MAYOR AND AS AN ENGINEER.
NUMBER 2, WHILE THE WAY THEY DO IT IS PRACTICAL WHEN YOU'RE DOING ONE PARK, WHEN YOU HAVE A DOZEN OF THEM PLUS OTHER SHADE STRUCTURES THAT WE ALREADY HAD AND WE'RE UPGRADING.
THERE'S GOT TO BE A BETTER ENGINEERING SOLUTION THAT EXISTS, SO YOU WOULD WANT TO GET THAT BETTER ENGINEERING SOLUTION, WHICH I'M TOLD DOESN'T EXIST, THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT CAN'T BE CREATED.
BUT GET THE BETTER ENGINEERING SOLUTION ON THE NEXT FIVE PARKS, AND THEN YOU WOULD SEE ABOUT RETROFITTING IT.
WE KNEW WE WOULD BE LEARNING ON THE FIRST YEAR'S PLAYGROUNDS AND THERE ARE CERTAIN VENDORS THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO SEE IN THE FUTURE, CERTAIN FEATURES THAT THEY'RE SHARING WITH US.
I AGREE THERE'S BALANCE THAT COULD BE FOUND IN THAT.
BUT I DO THINK THE MAJOR PARKS NEED SHADE AND I THINK THE PUBLIC EXPECTS.
THAT WOULD INCLUDE ABACOA COMMUNITY PARK NEXT YEAR.
>> BUT AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT BECAUSE I'VE BEEN PUSHING ON THIS AND NOW THAT I'VE SEEN MY OWN EYES, WHAT IT TAKES TO DO IT, I GOT UP ON A LADDER TO SEE, WHAT I WOULD HAVE TO BE DOING MYSELF TO DO THE RATCHETING TO START REMOVING IT.
>> YOU'RE DECONSTRUCTING THE STRUCTURE.
IT'S NOT DESIGNED FOR A QUICK RELEASE STORM AND THROW IT BACK UP AFTER THE STORM BROWS.
BUT FOR EXAMPLE, I WAS STUNNED WHEN I SAID CAN USE A POWER TOOL.
WELL, NO, HE GAVE AND I DON'T FULLY RECOLLECT THE LOGIC, BUT WAIT A SECOND.
I'VE DONE HURRICANE SHUTTERS AND WHATEVER AND YOU USE POWER TOOLS.
BUT NONETHELESS, IT'S 14 FEET, 16 FEET IN THE AIR.
THESE THINGS YOU HAVE TO THINK OF STAFF SAFETY.
>> THERE GOT TO BE A WAY TO BRING THEM DOWN, USING WINCH SYSTEMS LIKE THAT.
THEY BRING LARGE LIGHTS DOWN FROM POLES ALONG INTERSTATE STORM COMING.
>> THE ONES WE GOT DON'T HAVE THAT.
>> WHAT I'M SAYING IS AS WE MOVE FORWARD, MAYBE I'LL LOOK MORE INTO THAT.
>> AGREED. I'M BRINGING THIS UP BECAUSE VERY QUICKLY WE HAVE FIVE ADDITIONAL PLAYGROUNDS ARE ROLLING IN THE DESIGN.
I'M JUST EMPHASIZING WE WANT THE CRITERIA TO IMPROVE.
PEOPLE WILL CHUCKLE, BUT I USED TO SAY, AS AN ENGINEER, WE CAN DO ANYTHING, DESIGN ANYTHING, IT'S ONLY MONEY.
THAT'S TRUE. YOU CAN DESIGN SOMETHING.
IT'S ONLY MONEY, BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE, BUT IT'S GOT TO BE AN EASIER WAY BECAUSE IT'S NOT PRACTICAL TO EVER EXPECT.
OUR STAFF CAN REMOVE ALL OF THEM.
WHICH IS WHY WE WOULD THEN SET CRITERIA ON WHAT'S THE PARTY ORDER THAT YOU WOULD REMOVE.
I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE LOSS OF THE SHADE MATERIAL.
IT GETS RIPPED. I MEAN, THAT'S A COST INTO ITSELF.
YOU DON'T WANT TO GET INTO DAMAGE TO THE STRUCTURE.
THAT'S WHY THEY SAY IT SAYS RIGHT ON THE DESIGN DRAWINGS AS YOU GOT TO REMOVE IT WHEN YOU GET TO A CERTAIN WIND SPEED.
WHERE THE STRUCTURE IS GOING TO BE DAMAGED.
>> I'D BE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THE PERSONNEL THAT WERE ASKED AND CLIMB UP 14 OR 16 PEOPLE.
>> AGREED. THAT'S WHAT I OBSERVED, BUT I TELL YOU WHAT.
WE ALL AT SOME POINT IN TIME, WERE IN A STAFF POSITION.
I THINK THE STAFF OUT THERE WERE JUST LOOKING AND THINKING, IT'S MY JOB, WE'LL FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT.
BUT I WAS THERE SAYING, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THIS.
I'M HERE SAYING IT TO EVERYBODY UP HERE.
I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THIS.
STAFF WAS TALKING ABOUT MAYBE GETTING AND WE'RE GETTING TOO MUCH DETAIL HERE, BUT THEY ALREADY WE'RE BRAINSTORMING.
WELL, THE SWING SETS OR THE SHADE IS IN AN AREA THAT HAS MULCH, SO YOU CAN GET A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT IN THERE.
BUT THE OTHER ONES, YOU GOT TO BE CAREFUL ON THAT YOU'RE NOT DAMAGING THE TURF.
AGAIN, IN THE NEXT YEAR, WE CAN WORK OUT A PLAN AND SOMETHING,
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BUT WE'RE ALREADY IN HURRICANE SEASON AND ANY DAY, SOMETHING CAN BE BARRELING DOWN.MOVING ON, G1803 ENHANCED ENTRIES AT MAJOR GATEWAYS, CIP 64,65.
NOW THE PROJECT IMPLEMENTATION IN SERVICE DATE HAS SLIPPED FROM 25 IN 24,28 PLAN TO 29 THIRD QUARTER.
THAT SCHEDULE SLIPPAGE ISN'T ACCEPTABLE TO ME, SO I'M HOPING SOMETHING CAN BE A CAN BE IMPROVED ON THAT.
THAT'S BEEN A PROJECT THAT COUNCIL HAD TARGETED FOR I THINK IT'S BEEN TWO DECADES, SO AND IT MAY BE THE CASE THERE'S NOT A MAJORITY THAT SUPPORT THAT, BUT BUT WE'VE ADDRESSED GATEWAYS EVERYWHERE ELSE.
BUT THIS WAY, WE WERE WAITING FOR FDOT TO GET DONE WITH THEIR PROJECT, THEY'RE DONE. I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT ONE.
STAFF, IMPLIED IF WE WANT IT SOONER OR THEY CAN DO IT SOONER.
BUT THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE PLAN RIGHT NOW IS 293.
ON THE FRI ACF WALES, CIP PAGE 94,95.
I WANT OUR UTILITY ENGINEERING CONSULTANTS TO KNOW THAT I EXPECT BETTER OUTCOMES FROM THEIR WORK LAST YEAR, CIP REQUESTED 2 MILLION ADDITIONAL FUNDING DUE TO MARKET PRICING, AND THEN THE DRAFT 26 30 CIP ASKED FOR AN ADDITIONAL 3.2 MILLION.
BASED ON SO CALLED MARKET PRICE CHANGES IN THE FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET INCREASE OF 2 MILLION WAS ACCEPTED, BUT THE SUPPLEMENTAL 26 BUDGET INCREASE IN MY MIND, MARKET PRICING IS NOT HASN'T INCREASED BY THAT MUCH AMOUNT ONE YEAR TO THE NEXT AND HAS GOT TO BE SCOPE WORK DEFINITION SHORTCOMINGS.
I WANT TO BE CLEAR, I ACKNOWLEDGE STAFF'S RESPONSE THIS AFTERNOON.
THAT THE PROJECT COST ESTIMATES ARE NOW UNDER REVIEW BY STAFF, AND I'M QUOTING THEIR WORDS WITH POSSIBLE REDUCTION BEFORE FIRST READING.
AGAIN, TO JUST SAY MARKET PRICE AND MARKET PRICE AND MARKET PRICE AND BUT I'M EXPECTING BETTER THAN THAT BECAUSE OUR PROJECT SHOULD ALREADY INCLUDE ESCALATION FOR THE YEAR IT'S BEING DONE.
W 2010, THE RO PLAN IMPROVEMENTS TO ADDRESS S WATER DEGRADATION.
AGAIN, THE SAME MESSAGE TO OUR ENGINEERING CONSULTANTS THAT I EXPECT BETTER OUTCOMES FROM THEIR WORK.
THE DRAFT CIP 2630 REQUESTED ADDITIONAL 3,000,026 FUNDING, AGAIN, BASED ON MARKET CHANGES AND SOME SCOPE OF WORK INCREASES.
THAT AMOUNT REPRESENTED ALMOST 100% BUDGET INCREASE FROM LAST YEAR.
I JUST WANT TO STATE, I PLAN TO TAKE THIS PERFORMANCE INTO ACCOUNT WHEN TOWN COUNCIL IS GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY AND IS REQUESTED TO IMPROVE FUNDING AWARDS TO ENGINEERING DESIGN CONSULTANTS.
>> SO I HOPE THEY'RE GETTING THE MESSAGE.
W002 AND W0329 METER REPLACEMENTS CIP PAGES 74, FIVE, SIX AND SEVEN.
I DON'T SUPPORT THE PROPOSED PROJECT SCHEDULE ACCELERATION FROM A 10 YEARS TO A FIVE YEAR IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.
I QUESTION THE COST JUSTIFICATION, WHICH I BELIEVE THAT STAFF IS STILL PROBABLY WORKING ON AS I UNDERSTAND IT.
I DON'T SUPPORT THE 6 MILLION IN FUNDING IN 26, MADE UP BY 3.9 MILLION CARRY FORWARD FUNDS AND AN ADDITIONAL 2.1 MILLION IN 2026 BECAUSE I HIGHLY DOUBT THE UTILITY COULD SPEND THAT AS IT REPRESENTS 40% OF THE WATER METERS TO BE UPGRADED.
AND THEN JUST LASTLY, SO AGAIN,
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I UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYTHING THAT I'VE SPOKEN HAS BEEN COMMUNICATED WITH STAFF AND THEY'RE WORKING ON IT.I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT CHANGES IN THEIR MIND, WHAT COMES INTO THE CIP THAT WE SEE.
BUT JUST ONE LAST ITEM, I DO BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD JOIN WITH OTHER UTILITIES AND CHALLENGE HIS FUTURE MANDATE FOR PFAS COMPLIANCE BECAUSE IT WOULD REPRESENT A COST AVOIDANCE TO US OF 4.7 MILLION.
I'M JUST ACCUSTOMED TO YOU DON'T NECESSARILY JUST ACCEPT A MANDATE LIKE THAT.
I DO BELIEVE OTHER UTILITIES SEEING SIGNIFICANTLY GREATER IMPACTS OF THAT MANDATE, WE SHOULD ROLL UP THE COST IMPACTS AND SEE IF SUCH MANDATES COULD GET CHANGED.
BUT THAT IS JUST THE NORM, HOW I THINK WE SHOULD HANDLE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I DO APPRECIATE STAFF HAVING WORKED, IF THERE IS NO WAY TO CHANGE THE MANDATE TO REDUCE WHAT HIS COST WOULD BE ON US, FINDING AN ENGINEERING SOLUTION.
BUT I JUST DON'T WANT TO AND I'M OKAY FOR NOW PLACING IT IN THE CIP, BUT AS A STRATEGIC PLAN ITEM, WE NEED TO CHALLENGE THE MANDATE.
WITH THAT, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS, I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING WHATEVER COMES BACK TO US UPDATED.
>> I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS. I'VE BEEN TAKING NOTES.
WELL, I TOOK A LOT OF NOTES AND I'M GOING TO TRY AND DO IT IN ORDER.
BUT JUST FOR A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE, THE WAY I SEE IT IS I SAW RED IN THE BUDGET AS WELL.
TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE'S EVER A SUNDSTROM POLICY, I DON'T LIKE TO SEE RED EITHER.
I DON'T THINK ANY OF US LIKE TO SEE THAT IN THE CASH FLOW.
TO THE EXTENT THAT WE HAVE WORK TO DO, I AGREE. WE HAVE WORK TO DO THERE.
FOR THE CIP GENERALLY, THE WAY I VIEW IT IS, WE HAVE A COMMITMENT.
WE PUT 85 TO 15, THAT'S OUR SPLIT, FOR OUR OPERATING AND FOR OUR CIP, IS THAT RIGHT SCOTT? IF WE WERE TO SWEEP AND PUT AD VALOREM TAXES BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL SOURCE, WE'RE NO LONGER SPENDING OR COMMITTING 85, 15.
WE'RE NOT PUTTING 15% TOWARDS CAPITAL PROJECTS.
OR IT'S NOT STAYING IN THE CIP.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT WE WOULD SWEEP FUNDS OUT OF THE [OVERLAPPING].
>> NO, I WASN'T. ANYTHING I'M TALKING ABOUT, SWEEPING, SAVING, WHATEVER, WHICH SAY BY THE WAY, FOR THE RECORD, THERE WAS TOUGH BUDGET TIMES.
>> WHEN WE CHANGED INTO 90, 10.
>> NO, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT.
WE REDUCED THE FUNDING OF 15% CONTINUED TO GO IN THE CAPITAL.
>> KEEP IT THERE FOR OTHER PROJECTS, POTENTIALLY NEW PROJECTS.
>> WE KNOW ALREADY THAT I KNOW WE HAVE ROAD PROJECTS.
>> THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE MORE THAN WE COULD EVER FUND AND WE CONSTANTLY HAVE TO RE PRIORITIZE.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
SCOTT, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE CARRY FORWARD.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS.
MY UNDERSTANDING FOR SOME TIME HAS BEEN, WE ARE NOT THE PRIVATE SECTOR, WE'RE NOT A PRIVATE UTILITY, WE'RE NOT A PL, WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT, AND WE NEED TO HAVE THE FUNDING FULLY READY TO GO WHEN WE FUND A PROJECT.
SO I HAD THOUGHT THAT THAT CARRY FORWARD WAS THE WAY WE'VE DESCRIBED ANOTHER PROJECT, SAVING UP.
THE WAY WE'RE DOING FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
SAY, YOU'RE PUTTING MONEY IN THAT YEAR, BUT YOU'RE NOT SPENDING IT THAT YEAR, YOU'RE SAVING UP TO CREATE A RNR FUND OR SOMETHING FOR THIS PROJECT IN PARTICULAR, IS THAT RIGHT?
>> THERE COULD BE A NUMBER OF REASONS THAT THERE'S A CARRY FORWARD.
IT COULD HAVE BEEN THAT THERE'S BEEN A DELAY IN THE PROJECT, OR THEIR FUNDING, LIKE THE MAYOR HAS TALKED ABOUT, WE'RE ANTICIPATING SOME ACTION TO OCCUR.
MAYBE THAT ACTION DOESN'T OCCUR, OR WE'RE SAVING UP FOR THE NEXT YEAR, THAT DOES OCCUR.
>> RIGHT. SO I APPRECIATE THE SAVING FOR IT.
I DID NOT KNOW THAT WE HAD HAD CARRYOVER FUNDING FOR 10 YEARS, THAT DOES STAND OUT TO ME AND I WOULD SAY MAYBE THAT'S TOO LONG, THAT'S A PRETTY HIGH THRESHOLD.
BUT I GENERALLY LIKE THE FLEXIBILITY.
I DON'T WANT TO CONSTANTLY HAVE THINGS BROUGHT UP HERE.
IF PROJECTS CAN MOVE FASTER, MY CONCERN IS THAT THIS WOULD SLOW PROJECTS DOWN POTENTIALLY BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ALL THE FUNDING OR YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADJUST THE CIP OR GET APPROVAL FROM US AGAIN.
I LIKE THAT IT ALLOWS PROJECTS TO MOVE FORWARD.
WE ARE TAKING A LOOK AT IT EVERY YEAR.
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WHICH HAS ALREADY SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES, WE'VE DONE A LOT TO THE CIP IN THE PAST ONE TO TWO YEARS, ALLOWS FOR US TO CANCEL PROJECTS IF WE WANT TO.WE COULD DO IT AT ANY TIME NOW.
WE DON'T NEED A NEW PROCESS TO DO IT.
YOU HAD PROPOSED OR I THINK WE LOOKED AT CAMERAS.
WE'RE SAYING, THERE'S SOME PUSHBACK. WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
SO WE DID, WE LOOKED AT THAT AND WE CANCELED IT.
WE CAN DO IT NOW IN THE PROCESS THAT EXISTS NOW, BUT GIVEN THE CHANGES WE'VE DONE TO THE CIP IN THE LAST ONE TO TWO YEARS, I'D LIKE TO JUST HAVE IT SIT FOR A MINUTE.
SO WE CAN JUST KNOW THAT THIS IS THE PROCESS WE WANT AND MOVE MORE INCREMENTALLY.
I KNOW THAT THE WORLD IS SWIRLING AROUND US.
LET'S NOT BUY INTO THAT TOO MUCH.
LET'S KEEP A STEADY HAND AND WHERE THERE'S EVIDENCE, MAKE INCREMENTAL CHANGES.
THIS SEEMS VERY DRASTIC TO ME.
LANGUISHING PROJECTS. THE UNSPENT CARRY, CAN I GET DETAIL ON THE NITROGEN PROJECT WITH UNSPENT CARRYOVER FOR 10 PLUS YEARS?
>> HELLO. YES. THAT PROJECT WAS CREATED TO PROTECT THE SULFURIC ACID TANKS THAT WE HAVE AT THE NANOFILTRATION PLANT, THEIR STEEL.
WE EMPTY AND CLEAN THE TANKS EVERY OTHER YEAR AND WE NOTICED THAT WE WERE HAVING DEGRADATION OF THE STEEL INSIDE OF THE TANKS, AND WE WERE GETTING LITTLE PARTICULATES OF STEEL IN THE ACID SYSTEM PIPING.
WE CREATED THAT PROJECT WITH THE INTENT OF CONSTRUCTING A NITROGEN SYSTEM THAT WOULD FORM A NITROGEN BLANKET AT THE TOP OF, SO CORROSION HAPPENS INSIDE THE TANK WHEN THE ACID, THIS IS TIME FOR A LONG STORY, BUT WE USED TO USE 93% ACID, WHICH IS LESS PURE THAN 98% ACID.
WHEN THAT 93% ACID INTERACTS WITH MOISTURE IN THE AIR, IT REDUCES THE PERCENT OF ACID, IT INCREASES THE AMOUNT OF WATER AND IT INCREASES CORROSION.
SO WE WENT TO 98% ACID TO SEE IF THAT WOULD HELP REDUCE THE RATE OF CORROSION OCCURRING IN THE TANK.
AT THE TIME THAT WE BUDGETED THE PROJECT, WE WERE USING 93% ACID, WE DIDN'T CANCEL THE PROJECT BECAUSE WE WEREN'T SURE IF WE WERE GOING TO NEED THE NITROGEN BLANKET.
THEN OVER THE COURSE OF YEARS, WE INVESTIGATED SOME OTHER THINGS AND WE ACTUALLY ENDED UP GETTING SOME PINHOLE LEAKS IN THE ACID TANK.
SO THE LAST INSPECTION OR LAST YEAR CIP, WE HAD IN THE CIP TO REPLACE THOSE TANKS, WHICH IS WE JUST GOT THE 90%, I BELIEVE 90% DESIGN DRAWINGS, AND WE EXPECT BEFORE THE END OF THIS YEAR, WE WILL BE COMING TO YOU WITH A CONTRACT TO REPLACE THE TANKS.
SO THAT MONEY IS PART OF THAT PROJECT BECAUSE WITH THOSE NEW TANKS, WE'RE PUTTING IN A DESICCANT DRYER SYSTEM.
SO IT WON'T BE THE NITROGEN ACID, THE NITROGEN BLANKET SYSTEM BECAUSE IT'S CUMBERSOME TO OPERATE, AND IT'S JUST ANOTHER CHEMICAL THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE ON SITE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DESICCANT DRYER, WHICH BASICALLY DRIES THE AIR THAT GOES INTO THE TANK TO REDUCE THE RATE OF CORROSION THAT WILL OCCUR. SORRY.
FOR THE CARRYOVER FUNDING, THE PURPOSE OF THAT FUNDING IS TO SAVE FOR THIS? WHAT'S ABOUT THE PROJECT NOW MORE ABOUT [OVERLAPPING].
>> NEVER OUR INTENT FOR IT TO SIT OR LINGER FOR 10 YEARS.
YES, WE COULD HAVE ELIMINATED AND MAYBE SHOULD HAVE ELIMINATED, AND THE DESICCANT DRYERS WOULD HAVE BEEN BUDGETED WITH THE ACID TANK REPLACEMENT, BUT WE DID NOT SO WE ARE GOING TO USE THOSE FUNDS.
I GUESS YOU CAN LOOK AT IT AS THE BUDGET FOR THE ACID TANK REPLACEMENT IS $100,000 LESS THAN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO USE THE NITROGEN BLANKET MONEY WITH THE ACID TANK REPLACEMENT.
>> SO IF THERE'S CARRYOVER FOR 10 YEARS, I WANT DETAIL ON IT.
>> WE WILL NOT HAVE TO WAIT FOR 10 YEARS ANYMORE.
>> THAT MAY BE THE ONLY ONE, I'M NOT SURE MAYOR, THAT'S 10 YEARS.
>> CAN I ASK THAT QUESTION BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS A REASON FROM YEAR TO YEAR AND I'M WELL FAMILIAR WITH DESICCANT DRYERS AND NITROGEN BLANKET AND WE DO THEM IN THE ELECTRIC UTILITY.
THERE'S ALWAYS A REASON. THE POINT IS WITHOUT A POLICY, IT CAN GO ON FOR YEARS.
AND I THINK EACH ONE OF US SHOULD THINK THAT WE ARE LIMITED ON BEING
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ABLE TO SPEND AND INVEST THAT CAPITAL ON THINGS THAT WE KNOW NEED TO BE DONE BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MUCH TIED UP IN CARRY FORWARD FUNDING.>> SO I MEAN, I THINK THEY'RE PRETTY LINKED TO THE PROJECTS, THOUGH, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE PUTTING MONEY AWAY TO SAVE FOR THESE LARGER THINGS, IT WARRANTS A LARGER DISCUSSION.
I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT TO SWEEP AND REINTRODUCE PROJECTS AND TAKE PROJECTS AWAY.
THIS IS A LOT FOR ALL OF US TO DIGEST, SO I'M NOT SAYING I HAVE THE ANSWER TONIGHT, BUT I'M JUST NEEDING TO THINK ABOUT THE PROCESS AND THE RATE OF CHANGE.
HOW CAN WE AS A COUNCIL, HOW CAN STAFF ADAPT QUICKLY, TO MAKE US MORE NIMBLE, I DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY TIE THEIR HANDS IN A WAY THAT'S UNFORESEEN?
>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID LAST YEAR THAT YOU ALL HAD ASKED FOR, THAT'S VERY HELPFUL.
IS THAT WE IDENTIFY THE ENCUMBRANCES, EVEN IN THE SUMMARY SHEETS, NOT JUST IN THE DETAIL SHEETS.
THAT WAY YOU SHOW THAT THERE'S ACTIVITY OCCURRING.
EVEN THOUGH THERE'S BEEN SOME FUNDING THAT'S HAPPENED IN PREVIOUS YEARS, THERE'S ACTIVITY.
THERE'S ENGINEERING THAT'S BEING DONE.
THERE'S OTHER PERMITTING THAT'S HAPPENING BEFORE THE LARGER EXPENSE COMES.
SO THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT WE'VE ADDED.
YOU TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE DONE.
THAT'S ONE THAT YOU COULD DEFINITELY LOOK AT.
IF YOU LOOK AT A CIP, A LEGACY PROJECT SPECIFICALLY, THERE'S NO ENCUMBRANCE WITH IT.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S TOTALLY SITTING THERE WITHOUT ACTIVITY.
THERE'S OTHER STAFF ACTIVITY THAT'S GOING ON LIKE AMANDA ALLUDED TO THAT THE STAFF IS DOING SOME ADDITIONAL INVESTIGATION.
BUT IF THERE'S AN ENCUMBRANCE THERE, THAT MEANS IT'S ACTIVELY BEING WORKED.
>> REGARDING PROJECT FUNDING INADEQUACIES, SO GIVEN OUR CHALLENGE, WHICH IS TO GET THAT CASH FLOW LOOKING BETTER THAN IT WAS PRESENTED TO US TONIGHT, THAT'S HOW I VIEW THE CHALLENGE.
I DON'T WANT TO ADD SPENDING, I DON'T.
I SUPPORT WHAT STAFF HAS BROUGHT FORWARD ON THE ITEMS DISCUSSED.
I WANT THEM TO ASSESS THE CURRENT CONDITION AND GO FORWARD.
IN TERMS OF SPENDING REDUCTION OPPORTUNITIES WHICH ARE LINKED TO THIS, I'M GLAD TO SEE SHELL FISH BAY.
I DO WANT TO SEE THAT COME FORWARD.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THAT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY MERGED, THE P&Z ITEM AND THE ENGINEERING ITEM INTO ONE ITEM BECAUSE IT HAS ENVIRONMENTAL ELEMENTS AND REPAIR ELEMENTS.
ON PARKS AND PLAYGROUNDS, SO I DO WANT TO SAY, I FEEL LIKE I HAVE TO SAY IT BECAUSE EVERYONE'S LIKE, PARKS AND PLAYGROUNDS, SO I HAVE TO BE THE ONE TO SAY IT.
I THINK THAT WE SHOULD PUSH BACK A COUPLE OF PLAYGROUNDS.
IN PARTICULAR, I SAID THIS ON THE DIAS BEFORE, THE BRUCE ST. LAURENT PARK BECAUSE OF HOW SENTIMENTAL THAT PARK IS, HOW RECENTLY IT WAS BUILT.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO BE DOING THAT IN 28/29.
I THINK IT COULD USE A REPAIR, BUT I DON'T THINK THE COMMUNITY IS IN A RUSH.
AGAIN, AND I'M HEARING AND I EVEN TOOK LIKE AN INFORMAL POLL AT THE POLICE COFFEE AT THE COP THIS MORNING.
SO BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS I'M HAVING, THERE'S SOME SENSITIVITY IN THE NORTHERN PART OF TOWN AROUND OLD TOWN HALL PARK AND BRUCE ST. LAURENT.
SO IN A BUDGET SEASON WHERE THERE ARE SO MANY UNCERTAINTIES, AND AGAIN, OUR OPERATING PRINCIPLES FOR RECREATION THAT WE DISCUSSED AT LENGTH IN THE RECREATION MASTER PLAN, THE FOCUS AT THE TIME THAT I PUT FORWARD, AND IF YOU DISAGREE, LET'S DISAGREE, BUT WAS CAPACITY.
AND THAT WAS THE THOUGHT OF SHADE OR LIGHTING OR WHATEVER.
QUALITY OF FIELDS ALSO MATTERS A LOT.
THE LEAGUE OF CITIES HAD A MEETING IN ORLANDO.
THERE WAS A PRESENTATION BY GARDENS ON FIELD QUALITY AND ALL THE WORK THAT HAS TO GO INTO IT.
SOCCER BALL IS NOT GOING STRAIGHT IN THE COMPLAINTS THAT THEY GET.
I WAS MADE MORE AWARE OF THAT ISSUE EVEN AT THE LEAGUE OF CITIES MEETING, SO I RECOGNIZE IT.
WE HAVE SO MANY RECREATION CHALLENGES BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN SO LONG.
SO WE ABSOLUTELY MUST CONTINUE TO INVEST.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN RECREATION AND A CIP GO ABOVE THE SPENDING LEVEL OF ENGINEERING. YOU DON'T SEE THAT.
I'M THRILLED THAT WE'RE MAKING THIS INVESTMENT IN RECREATION BECAUSE IT'S LONG OVERDUE.
I'M OPEN TO BALANCING IT, BUT MY FIRST PRIORITY IS MAKING SURE OUR BUDGET HAS NO RED. I DON'T WANT RED.
AND IF WE CAN PUSH SOME OF THAT BACK, AND SHOW DISCIPLINE AND DO THE WORK, THEY'RE IN A SACRED COUCH.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HURT MY FEELINGS IN PARKS.
I WANT TO SAY IT NOW, LET'S BE FLEXIBLE AND CREATIVE AND LET'S FIND THINGS THAT WORK, BUT WHAT'S THE PROGRAM LOGIC BEHIND IT.
I LOOKED AT JUPITER COMMUNITY PARK.
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WE'RE DOING THE ARTIFICIAL TURF FIELDS.THEY DON'T NEED TO REST. YOU CAN USE THEM ALL YEAR LONG.
THAT'S BOTH QUALITY AND QUANTITY.
IT MAY HAVE MAINTENANCE ISSUES LIKE SHADE STRUCTURES, BUT IT'S WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS ASKING FOR, SO WE'RE EXPERIMENTING.
IF THERE ARE BETTER SHADE STRUCTURES IN THE SOUTH COUNTY THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT, LET ME KNOW.
BUT EVERYONE IS DOING THIS, HOAS ARE DOING THIS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
NO ONE CAN PLAY ON THESE STRUCTURES WITHOUT IT IN SOME WAYS FOR A LARGE PART OF THE YEAR.
>> I DON'T WANT TO ADD FUNDING.
I WANT TO GET THIS IN BETTER SHAPE THAN IT IS.
I OFFER UP THESE IDEAS, AND I'M PLEASED TO SEE THE STASH BAY ITEM.
LET'S SEE. I'M CURIOUS ABOUT PLAYGROUND SHADES, BUT WE DO HAVE TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
IF WE NEED TO CONTRACT OUT, IF WE NEED TO TAKE IT DOWN FOR A CERTAIN PART.
IF THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH THAT, I WOULD EXPECT TO BE TOLD AND I HOPE SOMEONE WOULD SHARE THAT WITH ME.
BUT I ASSUME WHEN WE'RE COMING OUT WITH THIS AND ROLLING IT OUT SO THOUGHTFULLY THAT EVERYTHING IS BEING COVERED.
IF IT'S NOT, I'D LIKE TO KNOW.
BUT WE SHOULD TRY TO KEEP IT AT LEAST I WOULD SAY IF I'M GOING TO NEGOTIATE HERE.
I THINK FOR THOSE PARKS WHERE STAFF ARE THERE, JUST FOR THE MAJOR COMMUNITY PARKS, MAYBE NOT NECESSARILY THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS.
YOU COULD HAVE JCP ACP JUPITER VILLAGE, WHICH HAS THOSE BALL FIELDS, LIKE ANY MAJOR COMMUNITY PARK MAPLEWOOD JUST GOT IT.
BUT THEN THE SMALLER NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS, MAYBE IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE.
BUT YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL BECAUSE ARTIFICIAL TURF IS REALLY HOT WITHOUT SHADE STRUCTURES.
WE'RE ALREADY IN DESIGN FOR THIS ONE.
>> IT IS. BUT IT'S WHAT EVERYONE ELSE ALREADY HAS AND WHAT THEY EXPECT OF US, AND WE'RE ALREADY IN PROGRESS ON 26.
THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN SHARED FOR ABACOA, AND IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR ABACOA.
BUT THOSE ARE THE DIFFICULTIES WE RUN INTO ON THIS.
AS THIS TRAINS LEFT THE STATION, WE'VE HAD MANY OPPORTUNITIES TO DISCUSS RECREATION.
WE HAD IT AT THE MASTER PLAN, WE HAD IT, AND WE'VE ALL CLEARED IT AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.
IT'S LATE. WE DO HAVE A BUDGET TO APPROVE BY THE SECOND MEETING IN SEPTEMBER.
WE HAVE TO APPROVE IT BY THE END OF SEPTEMBER.
WE HAVE TWO MEETINGS IN SEPTEMBER, SO THIS IS OUR ONE BITE AT THE APPLE.
YOU'LL BRING IT BACK, SCOTT, ON FIRST READING.
WE CAN CERTAINLY TWEAK UP UNTIL THE FIRST ONE.
BUT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED DISCUSSION TO MAKE TWEAKS, TOO, AND WE HAVE THESE TWO MORE MEETINGS.
I JUST WANT OUR COUNCIL TO BE AWARE OF THE TIMELINE AND OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO APPROVE A BUDGET.
JUST MY THOUGHTS ON, LET'S BE CAREFUL WITH HOW MANY CHANGES WE MAKE TO POLICY WHEN WE'VE JUST MADE SO MANY TO CIP AND ASKED SO MUCH OF STAFF.
LET'S SIT WITH IT FOR A YEAR AND LEARN HOW IT'S REALLY WORKING OUT.
I REMEMBER WE CUT THE BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT, AND WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IT, THINK TWICE.
WE THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT THING, BUT ENDED UP CAUSING A LOT OF CHALLENGES FOR STAFF, THAT I DIDN'T REALIZE UNTIL LATER.
I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A YEAR JUST TO SEE HOW IT'S WORKING OUT.
I THINK IT'S GETTING BETTER. IT'S TRENDING THAT WAY.
IT JUST MAY NOT BE AT THE RATE OF CHANGE OTHERS WOULD WANT. THAT'S ALL.
>> I JUST WANTED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT ASKING THIS, BUT SO THE FACT THAT AND WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS A NUMBER OF TIMES THAT I'VE BEEN CONSISTENT TOO, THAT OUR MULTIPURPOSE FIELDS NEED TO BE RENOVATED, AND IT DISTURBS ME THAT IN STAFFS CUT, I DON'T FIND FAULT.
THEY MADE DIFFICULT DECISIONS, BUT NEAR CUT, AND IT WAS IN THE PRESENTATION.
THEY SWEPT 1.3 MILLION IN FIELD RESTORATION.
I'M NOT COMFORTABLE ABOUT THAT.
THAT'S WHY I DON'T THINK IT MAY BE CLEAN FOR YOU TO SAY YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT. I'M NOT.
THAT'S WHY I THINK WE STILL HAVE TO BALANCE THIS TO FIND A WAY TO NOT PUSH OUT THAT WORK BECAUSE I HEAR FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE ABOUT THAT.
>> THAT TO RECENTLY FROM THE LEAGUE MEETING.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT BEING DEFERRED, CAN I GET SOME DETAIL ON THE 1.3 THAT WE TALKED ABOUT? THEN SECONDLY, SCOTT, AND I HAD FORGOTTEN TO MENTION THIS.
BUT THE CONSTRUCTION COST, THESE MARKET. WHAT WAS IT?
>> STAFF IS GETTING THAT QUESTION.
WE DID A DETAIL ON THAT THIS MORNING AND SOME
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OF IT'S TO DO WITH THE CONTRACTORS AND LACK OF COMPETITION, BUT YOU'VE ILLUSTRATED IT QUITE WELL.DO YOU HAVE THAT AVAILABLE TO SHARE?
>> I DO NOT HAVE IT HERE, BUT I CAN SHARE IT WITH THE COUNCIL TOMORROW.
>> THIS IS SOMETHING I HAD ASKED FOR AS PART OF THIS PROCESS AND IT SHOWS JUST THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS, AND THEN IT ILLUSTRATES THROUGH A COUPLE OF WATER PROJECTS, WHAT THEY'RE FACING.
YOU'LL LOOK AT THE TOTAL INCREASE AND YOU'LL SEE AN INCREASE OF 358% FOR A PROJECT.
YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT KEY DRIVERS OF SOME OF THESE COSTS, NOT JUST INFLATION, OR YOU SEE THE PPI AND FOR GOVERNMENT CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRIAL, BUT ALSO A LACK OF QUALIFIED CONTRACTORS, WHICH IS THE PROBLEM.
THERE'S NO COMPETITION IN THE SYSTEM ON SOME PROJECTS, AS WELL AS THE RISING COSTS FOR MATERIAL LABOR.
I JUST WANTED TO SHOW THIS OR HAVE THIS FOR YOU GUYS.
>> I HAVE A COMMENT. LOOK AT ALL THE CIP PROJECTS, LONG ARE RENOVATING THE MULTIPURPOSE FIELDS.
OBVIOUSLY, THE MAINTENANCE COSTS ARE HIGH, THEY NEED TO BE REPLACED, WATER METERS BEING REPLACED BECAUSE INACCURATE READS, THEY'RE OLD.
THERE'S LABOR SAVINGS FOR NOT HAVING PEOPLE DRIVE AROUND.
HOW DO WE BOOKKEEP THE COST SAVINGS? WHY DON'T WE HAVE A A LINE ITEM ON THESE SHEETS THAT WE THEN COULD LOOK AT GOING FORWARD INTO THE FUTURE THAT THEY'D BE APPLIED TO HELP REDUCE THE RED WE'RE SEEING.
I'M JUST LOOKING AT A RETURN ON INVESTMENT, SOME OF THESE PROJECTS WE'RE DOING SO.
>> WE CAN DEFINITELY INCORPORATE SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THE COST SAVINGS AND PROJECTED COST SAVINGS IN THE FUTURE. WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT.
WE HAVE LINE ITEMS IN THE CIP ALSO FOR ADDITIONAL COSTS OPERATIONALLY THAT WE CAN INCORPORATE AS WELL, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT COME ONLINE THAT MAY BE AN ADDITIONAL COST.
IF YOU ADD A NEW PARK, THERE COULD BE ADDITIONAL MAINTENANCE AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
BUT WE CAN DEFINE THOSE TYPE OF THINGS GOING FORWARD IF YOU'D LIKE.
>> I THINK THE VIABLE SEE WHAT THE BENEFIT IS GOING FOR AND WE REDUCING THE RED WE'RE SEEING IN THE OUT YEARS.
>> MAYOR I THINK THE METER PROJECT, I DON'T HAVE FULL DETAIL.
I'D LIKE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT, BUT THE COST SAVINGS IS SIGNIFICANT.
I REMEMBER THAT FROM THE WATER MASTER PLAN, FIVE YEAR PLAN, AND TALKING ABOUT HOW IT'S A RADIO SYSTEM CURRENTLY WHERE PARTS ARE NO LONGER SOLD, AND STAFF WOULD HAVE TO DRIVE ALL AROUND TOWN COLLECTING METER READINGS WHERE NOW IT'LL BE AUTOMATIC.
THERE ARE SAVINGS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PROJECT.
>> ONE OF ONE OF THE BIG ONES THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING HERE RECENTLY THAT'S CURRENTLY WE'RE IN NEGOTIATIONS ON, WHICH IS THE METER REPLACEMENT.
YOU LOOK AT THAT. THERE'S MECHANICAL TEETH ON THE INSIDE OF THE METER THAT WEARS OUT OVER TIME.
THERE'S A REVENUE LOSS THAT OCCURS OVER TIME WHERE YOU'RE ACTUALLY REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE THAT'S COMING IN.
BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT CAPTURING ALL THE WATER THAT'S GOING THROUGH THE METER.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO DO THOSE METER REPLACEMENTS SO THAT YOU'RE NOT LOSING THAT FUTURE REVENUE, AND ALSO THAT CAN CONVEY INTO POSSIBLY RATE INCREASES IF YOU DON'T DO THAT.
LOOKED UP ON THE AWA OR THE AMERICAN WATERWORKS ASSOCIATION WEBSITE TO SEE WHAT THOSE PROJECTIONS ARE.
THEY SAY $6 PER HOUSEHOLD OR $26 PER COMMERCIAL OVER TIME IS LOST IN THAT SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE KEEP UP WITH THAT MAINTENANCE.
BUT THAT'S TO ILLUSTRATE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
>> I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.
>> THE ONE INDICATOR AS I SEE, WE HAVE THE DEPARTMENTAL INDICATORS, SO WATER REVENUES CONTINUE TO GO UP.
>> BUT METERS DON'T SPEED UP WHEN THEY GET AGED.
>> BUT THE METERS ARE IN THE EQUATION.
WE'RE NOT SEEING A DECLINE IN REVENUE YET. VICE MAYOR.
>> THANK YOU. ONCE AGAIN, EXCELLENT DOCUMENT IN A TIME OF THE TOWNS PUTTING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, YOU GUYS ARE OVERWORKED UNDER A LOT OF PRESSURE.
BUT AGAIN, ALL IN ALL, GREAT DOCUMENT.
THE MAYOR MADE SOME GOOD POINTS ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CALL THEM LEGACY, CARRYOVERS, BUT I THINK WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, BUT I WOULDN'T WANT TO DO ANY BROAD SWEEPING CHANGES RIGHT NOW, OBVIOUSLY.
IN REGARDS TO THE RED INK WE SEE, CIP THE FIRST YEAR, YOU LOCK INTO THAT.
BUT ANYTHING TWO THROUGH FIVE IS VERY MALLEABLE.
I KNOW WE'LL WIGGLE OUT OF THAT.
WE'LL FIND PLACES TO CUT BACK OR TWEAK HERE AND THERE.
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I APPRECIATE THE RE-LOOK AT THE SEA WALL.I'M ACTUALLY GOING DOWN THERE SOMETIMES WE CAN JUST TAKE A PEEK AT IT.
I'M SURE I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT INTERESTED IN THIS STUFF.
REGARDING THE PARK SHADE STRUCTURES, WE HAVE AN ABSOLUTE OUTCRY FOR SHADE IN THE PARKS.
I EXPERIENCED IT WHEN MY KIDS WERE AT ATA.
WE'RE GOING TO LIVE WITH IT. YOU GET A CAT FIVE STORM.
YOU'VE GOT BIGGER PROBLEMS. WE MAY GET TO A POINT WHERE A BIG STORMS COMING AND YOU HAVE TO GO CUT THE CANVAS AND LET THAT SHRED SO THE STRUCTURE DOESN'T GET DESTROYED.
THAT'S A NUCLEAR OPTION, BUT WE'VE GOT TO PUT THEM UP AND DOWN THE ROAD, MAYBE FIND A SOLUTION TO GET THEM DOWN.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT THERE WE MARRY TO IT.
THAT'S ABOUT IT, ALL IN ALL, AGAIN, SCOTT, YOUR STAFF, EVERYBODY HERE, GREAT WORK.
I THINK WE COVERED A LOT OF GROUNDS TONIGHT, SO I'LL HAND IT OVER TO COUNCILOR CHOY.
>> DEFINITELY A LOT OF GROUND HAS BEEN COVERED HERE, AND THE STAFF HAS DONE AN AMAZING AMOUNT OF WORK AND NOT TO REPEAT EVERYTHING I HEAR WHAT'S BEING SAID.
AT THIS POINT, I'D LIKE TO JUST SAY, FIRST QUESTION WAS, HOW DO WE GET OUT OF THE RED THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED HERE.
I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO BETWEEN NOW AND OUR NEXT MEETING TO BE BETTER PREPARED TO LOOK AT THE BUDGET.
MAYOR IF YOU CAN SHARE, SUMMARIZE WHAT YOU THINK SO THAT IN MY MIND, I KNOW WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING.
>> I THINK WHAT HAPPENS IS AS ALWAYS HAPPENS IS STAFF TAKES THE COLLECTIVE INPUT THAT THEY HEARD TONIGHT, AND THEY WERE CONTINUING TO WORK ON THIS ANYWAY, AS I MENTIONED ON SOME OF THEM, AND THEY'LL COME BACK AND SUBMIT A UPDATED CIP PLAN FOR THE FIRST HEARING DATE IN FIRST WEEK OF SEPTEMBER, AND THEN THERE'S THE POTENTIAL TO GET ADDITIONAL COMMENTS AND AT THAT TIME, THEY UPDATED FOR THE SECOND HEARING AND TO GET THROUGH VOTES SO THE CIP BUDGET IS ADOPTED.
>> THIS WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY ADDRESS OUR SHADE AREAS.
THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A QUESTION IN MY MIND, AND I'M GLAD IT WAS RAISED TONIGHT.
TWENTY FOOT WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.
THIS IS THE TIME TO STOP REALLY FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO PROCEED WITH THAT. THERE'S DANGER THERE.
THERE'S NO DOUBT. WE CAN'T LET THE WINDS COME THROUGH.
PARKS AND RECS, THAT'S GOING TO BE THEIR JOB TO COME BACK AND GIVE US SOME.
>> EVERYBODY PRACTICES ENGINEERING, SO EVERYBODY MAY NOT KNOW THIS, BUT YOU'RE NOT CHANGE THE DESIGN OF WHAT'S IN THE PARK AND WHAT SHADE STRUCTURE YOU'RE GOING TO GET, BUT YOU'RE CHANGING THE STRUCTURAL CONNECTIONS FOR THE SHADES.
WHEN I TALK ABOUT, WE CAN'T GO FORWARD WITHOUT TRYING TO CHANGE TO A MORE SIMPLEX RELEASE AND RE INSTALL EVEN.
>> THE STAFF SECURITY IS VERY IMPORTANT THEIR SAFETY.
>> IF YOU DON'T ASK, THERE'S NO OPPORTUNITY THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
I WAS TOLD NOTHING EXISTS, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT SOMEBODY CAN'T WORK SOMETHING OUT BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WORKING OUT A DESIGN THAT'S GOING TO BE REPLICATED UMPTEEN TIMES, IT'D BE A NEW PRODUCT FOR THEM THAT I'M SURE WOULD HAVE EXTREME VALUE IN THE MARKET, AND IT CAN'T BE A COSTLY ITEM.
BUT SOMEBODY HAS TO THINK IN THE DESIGN ABOUT THE OPERATOR.
THE OPERATOR HERE IS OUR STAFF THAT HAS TO. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I AGREE, BUT WHAT WE'VE ALREADY RECEIVED WHAT WE HAVE ON ORDER, HOW LONG WOULD THAT TAKE TO IMPLEMENT THAT NEW DESIGN, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
>> WELL, FIRST THING, SOMEBODY HAVE TO LOOK IF YOU COULD COME UP WITH.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DESIGN WOULD LOOK LIKE.
BUT IF WE WERE TO GET SOME ENGINEERS WORKING ON IT, AND MAYBE THEY'D COME UP WITH A SOLUTION, MAYBE NOT.
>> I THINK WE MAY BE THE LAST ONES TO GET SHADE IN PALM BEACH COUNTY.
WE HAVE A LOT OF OTHERS TO LOOK TO AND ASK.
>> I THINK WE'RE GETTING THE BEST THAT'S OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.
BECAUSE NOBODY HAS THOUGHT ABOUT THE PRACTICALITIES OF TAKING A DOWN.
>> YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE DIRECTION COLLECTION.
>> I JUST WANT TO JUST RECAP VERY QUICKLY BECAUSE WE HAVE TO START PULLING TOGETHER DOCUMENTS FOR THE FIRST READING AS YOU'VE INDICATED.
THE ONE ITEM THAT I HEAR THAT WE WILL BE ADDRESSING IS THE SALFISH BAY SEAWALL, THAT FUNDING WILL BE REDUCED.
THEN IT WILL BE COMBINED OVER WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL P&Z SALFISH BAY PARK CIP, THE REMAINING FUNDING FROM 28.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE AGREE ON.
I THINK I HEARD CONSENSUS ON THAT, THE 27, AND BASICALLY,
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THE CIP IS GOING AWAY, THAT FUNDING WON'T BE OVER THERE WITH THE OTHER CIP PROJECT.THEN I HEARD THERE WAS DISCUSSION ON, BUT I DON'T THINK I HEARD CONSENSUS ON ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THE ROADS OF ADDITIONAL $750,000 A YEAR.
I DON'T THINK I HEARD CONSENSUS ON THAT.
>> YOU ALSO DIDN'T HEAR CONSENSUS ON RESTORING THE MULTI PURPOSE FEEL BUDGET RESTORATION BUDGET, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT A BUDGET THAT DOESN'T DO IT.
>> BUT PRIMARILY THE SEA WALL IS THE ITEM THAT I HEARD THIS EVENING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE ACTION TAKEN ON? THANK YOU.
>> THE TIME IS NOW 8:58, AND WE'LL ADJOURN THE WORKSHOP.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.