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>> GOOD EVENING. THE TIME IS NOW 6:00 PM.
[Call To Order]
I'LL CALL TO ORDER THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY MEETING OF THURSDAY, APRIL 21.>> EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR [INAUDIBLE]
>> ACTING COMMISSION ATTORNEY LASHLEY?
>> I BELIEVE WE DON'T HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS, CORRECT?
>> COMMISSION, WE HAVE BEFORE US THE APRIL 15,
[1. April 15, 2025, CRA Meeting Minutes.]
2025 CRA MEETING MINUTES.IF THERE'S NO CORRECTIONS, I'LL TAKE A MOTION IN A SECOND TO ADOPT AS PRESENTED.
>> MOTION AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>> MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
[2. Presentation - CRA Fiscal Year 2026 Operating Budget/Community Investment Program.]
WE BEGIN WITH WELL, ONE ITEM PRESENTATION ON THE CRA OPERATING AND COMMUNITY INVESTMENT PROGRAM.WE ARE HONORED TO HAVE THE DISTINGUISHED OUR [INAUDIBLE] ANYWAY, WE'RE HONORED. PLEASE PROCEED.
AGAIN, JUST TO REITERATE, WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING TO DISCUSS THE FY 26 PROPOSED OPERATING AND COMMUNITY INVESTMENT PLAN BUDGET FOR THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY OF THE TOWN.
JUST TO GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED THIS EVENING.
THE CRA INCREMENT HAS INCREASED FROM FY 25 AND WENT FROM $515-$555 MILLION IN FY 26.
THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE CRA PLAN CONTINUES.
IF YOU REMEMBER RIGHT, YOU ALL HAD ADOPTED THAT LAST NOVEMBER.
THAT'S THE CONTINUED IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PLAN AS WE GO FORWARD.
SOME HOLIDAY DECORATIONS ARE INCLUDED IN THE OPERATIONS BUDGET, A ALONG WITH THE HOLIDAY BOAT PARADE FIREWORKS, COMMUNITY EVENTS, ALONG THE RIVER WALK, THE FUNDING OF ART AND THE ROUNDABOUT.
THAT'S BEEN A STRATEGIC PRIORITY, SO WE'VE MADE SURE THAT THERE IS FUNDING AVAILABLE ON THAT ITEM.
I DO KNOW THAT STAFF PLANS ON COMING BEFORE THE COMMISSION IN THE FALL TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
WE ALSO HAVE THE EAST COAST GREENWAYS AND TRAILS EVENT THAT'S SCHEDULED ALONG THE RIVER WALK.
WE ALSO HAVE FUNDING THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR CRA GRANT PROGRAM FUNDING THAT WAS ALSO IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN OF THE CRA PLAN.
WE HAVE SOME UPDATES TO THE CIP THAT WE'LL BE DISCUSSING THIS EVENING ALONG THE RIVER WALK, THE RIVER WALK GRAVITY WALL.
IF YOU REMEMBER RIGHT, THERE WAS REPAIRS THAT WAS DONE TO THE GRAVITY WALL.
IT'S A CONTINUED STABILIZATION, TAKING A NATURE BASED APPROACH. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.
THE LIVING SHORELINE STABILIZATION ALONG THE RIVER WALK, AND THEN THE PILE PLACE PARK, SOME OF THE NEW CIP CONSTRUCTION ELEMENTS IN RELATION TO THE PASSIVE PARK.
LOOKING AT IT FROM THE FUNDING PERSPECTIVE AND JUST A SUMMARY REVIEW, YOU CAN SEE THE TAXABLE VALUE FOR THE CRA, $722 MILLION OVERALL.
YOU CAN SEE THE BASE YEAR OF $167 MILLION.
THE INCREMENTAL VALUE, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO IS $555 MILLION.
YOU CAN SEE THE COUNTY PROPOSED MILLAGE.
THEY'VE SET THAT OUT FOR TRIM.
THEY WILL BE ADOPTING THAT IN SEPTEMBER AT 4.5, THE TOWN WIDE MILLAGE.
WE SET OUR TRIM OR THE TOWN DID AT 2.3894.
THAT TRANSLATES TO $3.6 MILLION IN AVALORUM TAX TO OPERATE THE CRA.
THAT'S AN INCREASE OF $260,000 IN AVALORUM TAXES OVER FY 25 ADOPTED BUDGET.
THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT PLAN AND SUMMARY.
YOU CAN SEE HERE WE HAVE THE SOME CARRY FORWARD DOLLARS OF $757,000.
WE CONTINUE THAT PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMISSION UNDERSTANDS THAT THERE ARE UNSPENT DOLLARS THERE, THAT THOSE PROJECTS ARE CONTINUING, AND THERE ARE DOLLARS THAT WILL BE ROLLING FORWARD.
WE HAVE THE PLAZA DOWN UNDER RIVER WALK STABILIZATION,
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THE LIVING SHORELINE STABILIZATION, THE LOVE STREET SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION ON THE EAST SIDE.WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT AS I GET INTO IT.
THEN AGAIN, THE PIOT PLACE PARK.
BUT YOU CAN SEE OVERALL FOR THE FUNDING WINDOW OF $3.2 MILLION OVER THE FIVE YEAR WINDOW.
THE EVENTS PLAZA MARINE HABITAT, THE PROJECT INCLUDES INSTALLATION OF RIP RAP AROUND THE EVENTS PLAZA, WHICH WILL CONTINUE TO PROTECT AND PREVENT DAMAGE TO THE EVENTS PLAZA WALL.
AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF MEMBERS REMEMBER A FEW YEARS AGO, THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT THAT CREATED A HOLE IN THE WALL THAT'S BEEN REPAIRED, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN IN THE FUTURE BY TAKING A NATURE BASED APPROACH TO THAT.
ALONG THE RIVER WALK, CONTINUING THE SHORELINE, AND STABILIZATION, THIS IS AN ONGOING PROJECT TO STABILIZE THE SHORELINE, ABUTTING THE TOWN OWNED PROPERTY ALONG THE RIVER WALK, HELP PROTECT THE INVESTMENT OF THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY AND FOR THE COMMUNITY.
ALSO, THE LOVE STREET SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION.
THIS IS THE CONSTRUCTION OF APPROXIMATELY 600 LINEAR FEET OF MISSING SIDEWALK, WHICH IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF LOVE STREET.
PROJECT WILL IMPROVE THE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY IN THE CORE OF THE INLET VILLAGE, ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT WHEN THE AREA IS HIGHLY VISITED, STAFF IS CURRENTLY WORKING WITH INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS TO RECEIVE SIDEWALK AND CONSTRUCTION EASEMENTS, AND THAT IS MOVING ALONG AS WE SPEAK.
PIE PLACE PARK. I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT, SPECIFICALLY SURROUNDING THE NEW FIRE STATION THAT'S GOING ON THAT SITE, BUT THERE'S ALSO SOME PARK ELEMENTS THAT WILL BE INCLUDED.
THAT WAS A STRATEGIC PRIORITY OR INITIATIVE.
IT INCLUDES A RIVER WALK OVERLOOK.
THERE'S SOME SHADE STRUCTURES, PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES, AND SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING ENVISIONED FOR THAT AREA.
THERE'S ALSO SOME ENVIRONMENTAL IMPROVEMENTS, MANGROVE RESTORATION, AND NATIVE UP LAND PLANTING.
OVERALL, ONE THING WE ALWAYS TRY TO KEEP AN EYE ON IS THE CASH FLOW OF THE CRA AND WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE END OF LIFE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN 2034 AT THE END OF 2034.
RIGHT NOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT A CASH FLOW OF JUST OVER $23 MILLION THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE AT THE END OF LIFE.
NOW, WE ALL KNOW THAT GOING FORWARD, THIS IS A LIVING DOCUMENT, WE WILL CONTINUE TO ADD PROJECTS TO THE CRA, AND THE GOAL IS THAT BY THE END OF THE OF 2034 THAT THAT CASH HAS BEEN UTILIZED TO UPGRADE THAT PART OF THE TOWN OF JUPITER, AND THEN IT GETS TURNED OVER TO THE TOWN IN GOOD STANDING.
WITH THAT, THAT'S THE END OF THE OVERALL PRESENTATION AND DOES THE COMMISSION HAVE QUESTIONS?
>> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? I ASK QUESTIONS FIRST, AND I'LL GO BACK TO COMMENTS.
>> I JUST WANT TO QUICKLY ASK THE STATUS OF SECURING THE EASEMENTS FOR THE LOVE STREET PROJECT.
WHAT'S OUTSTANDING OR WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THAT?
>> STEPHANIE THORBURN, PLANNING IN ZONING.
WE'VE GOTTEN FOUR OF THE EASEMENTS, AND JIMMY BERG, THE OWNER OF CASTAWAYS.
HE'S IN THE PROCESS OF SIGNING, AND THEN WE HAVE THREE MORE TO GET.
IF YOU REMEMBER, THERE'S A LITTLE TINY HOUSES ALONG THOSE.
OUR THOUGHT WAS TO GET MR. BERG'S AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE MAJORITY, AND THEN WE CAN GO DOOR TO DOOR FOR THE REMAINING THREE, SO THAT THEN THEY SEE THAT THE BUSINESSES HAVE PROVIDED THE EASEMENTS.
IT'S BEEN A LONG PROCESS, PARTICULARLY OVER THE SUMMER.
>> JUST TWO QUICK QUESTIONS, EDUCATION.
UNDER KAYTE, WE REMOVE THE KAYTE LAUNCHES.
IS THAT CORRECT? THE KAYTE LAUNCHING HAS BEEN REMOVED.
IS THAT PLANNING TO COME BACK AT SOME POINT?
>> YES. WE'RE HOPING TO BRING BACK, I THINK IN YOUR WEEKLY UPDATE, A SITE PLAN WILL BE BROUGHT TO YOU TO GET THAT PLAN APPROVED.
IT WAS APPROVED IN 2024 WITH THE FIRE STATION.
BUT IT WAS VERY CONCEPTUAL AND IT JUST HAD DASH LINES FOR RIVER WALK AND AN OVERALL IDEA.
WE WANT TO COME BACK SINCE THAT'S A STRATEGIC INITIATIVE, BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.
>> THANK YOU. SCOTT, JUST UNDER CASH FLOW, JUST A QUICK EDUCATION.
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UNDER PLUS PARKING AND OTHER REVENUE, WHAT IS THAT PLEASE?>> UNDER PARKING AND UNDER THE PLUS.
>> THE OTHER REVENUE? THAT'S INTEREST EARNINGS.
>> INTEREST EARNINGS. THANK YOU.
>> ONE QUESTION, STEPHANIE YOU COULD PROBABLY ANSWER, THE LOVE STREET SIDEWALK, THAT IS THAT CONCEPTUALLY GOING TO BE CONCRETE OR PAVERS OR WHAT ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT FOR THAT?
THEN WE HAVE ALL THOSE DRIVEWAYS, SO WE HAVE TO REPAIR AND CURE EVERYONE'S PROPERTY FOR DRIVEWAY ACCESS TO.
>> [OVERLAPPING] NEW APRON AND ALL THAT. THANK YOU.
>> THEN JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.
IS IT THE INTENTION, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I GET A COMMITMENT HERE ON THE CRA LIVING SHORELINE AND STABILIZATION, THE CIP SHEET SHOWS THAT IN SERVICE EVERY YEAR, THERE'S A PHASE BEING IN SERVICE.
IS THAT TRULY THE PLAN? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BEFORE WE JUST ALLOCATE AND NOTHING HAPPENS.
>> THE PLAN IS AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE HAVE SECTIONS, SO WE'RE PHASING IT.
BUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, THERE'S CONSTANTLY EROSION.
WE HOPE BY THE TIME WE'RE DONE, WE GET UP TO THE INLET AND ARE ABLE TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE SURE WE ARMOR EVERYTHING BEFORE THE END.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IN 26, WE'RE GOING TO DO SOME WORK.
WE'RE GOING TO CONSUME THE MONEY.
WE'RE GOING TO KEEP MOVING ALONG AS OPPOSED TO SOME OF THESE PROJECTS BECOME YOU JUST WE COLLECT IT AND THEN WE DON'T DO IT RIGHT AWAY, AND I'M NOT GOING TO FUND IT THAT WAY.
BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING IT AS WE GO, THAT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE YOU'RE MITIGATING RISK BY DOING IT.
>> IT TAKES ABOUT A YEAR FOR US TO PERMIT AND GET ALL THE WORK DONE AND SO THEN WE TRY TO GET THIS WORK CONGLOMERATED WITH THE WORK AT THE OTHER PROJECT BECAUSE A $200 OR $100,000 PROJECT ISN'T VERY VIABLE FOR CONTRACTORS TO COME IN.
LIKE WE DID PREVIOUSLY, WE COMBINED THE INVITATION TO BID FOR SAFISH BAY AS WELL AS THE RIVER WALK TOGETHER.
IT'S LIKE EVERY TWO YEARS, WE ARE ABLE TO DO A BIG PUSH AND PERMITTING CAN BE SUBSTANTIAL AT TIME.
>> ARE YOU THE PROJECT MANAGER ON THIS?
>> ARE YOU'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING THE CONTRACTS TOGETHER AND EVERYTHING?
>> WE WORK WITH ENGINEERING, WE WORK WITH THE TOWN ATTORNEY ON THESE THINGS, AND WE'RE GETTING BETTER AT IT FOR SURE.
>> WELL, NO, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT BECAUSE CONTRACTING APPROACH IS SOMETHING THAT I DON'T THINK ENOUGH ATTENTION IS GIVEN TO.
I CAN APPRECIATE BUNDLING TWO YEARS, MAYBE MORE COST EFFECTIVE THAN ONE.
BUT PROGRESS LANGUISHING, I'M NOT GOING TO ACCEPT.
I'M NOT GOING TO FUND, BUT THANK YOU. YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION.
JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF NEW MEMBERS, WE DID A MAJOR CRA PLAN UPDATE BEFORE YOU JOINED.
WE HAD ALIGNMENT SOMEWHAT ON THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO INVEST IN ON THE BALANCE OF THE CRA PLAN.
IF YOU HADN'T SEEN THAT, I DO ENCOURAGE YOU LOOK AT THAT.
NOW, CERTAINLY, YOUR ONE OF FIVE ON THE COMMISSION, SO YOU CAN INFLUENCE WHAT WE DO.
BUT THAT WAS OUR ROADMAP, IF YOU WILL.
I'M JUST SPEAKING FROM NOW TO THE OTHER TWO TO THE DEGREE WE ADOPTED THAT.
CERTAINLY, THE PROJECTS IN HERE ARE CONSISTENT WITH THAT PLAN OF WHAT WE WERE EXPECTED TO DO, AND I THINK WE SHOULD BE DOING WITH CRA FUNDING.
BUT TWO THINGS, NUMBER ONE BOTH OF THEM RELATE TO THE PLACE PARK PROJECT.
NUMBER ONE, I'M GOING TO ASK, AND I'M GOING TO TRY THIS YEAR TO ASK FOR PROPOSED POLICY GUIDANCE, AND IT MAY JUST BE THE MAYORS THE CHAIRS POLICY GUIDANCE AND THE MAYORS, BUT THE SAME THING APPLIES TO BOTH BUDGET.
I HOPE THAT WE HAVE A COUNCIL CONSENSUS.
BUT IF NOT, JUST GOING TO WEIGH IN.
WE'RE NOT CONSISTENT IN SOME PROJECTS WHEN WE EXPECT TO GET A GRANT.
WE PLAN FOR THAT GRANT RIGHT FROM THE GET GO, AND IT'S EVEN IN THE CIP SHEET.
THEN IF WE DON'T GET A GRANT, THERE'S THIS PERCEPTION THAT WE'RE GOING TO STILL DO IT.
WELL, THE CERTAIN PROJECTS IN MY MIND ARE GOING TO BE GRANT DEPENDENT.
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IF WE DON'T GET THE GRANT, THEN IT ROLLS THE NEXT YEAR.THIS PROJECT PIT PLACE, I DON'T SEE ANY GRANT FUNDING.
I KNOW STAFF IS GOOD ABOUT PURSUING THOSE GRANTS.
BUT I THINK I THINK IT SHOWS UP ON THE GRANT TBD LINE.
I'M LOOKING AT PAGE 11 OF 12, BY THE WAY, IN THE CIP BOOK.
I'M JUST GOING TO ASK THAT WE SET A NUMBER OF THE GRANT WE'RE GOING TO PURSUE.
THEN THIS APPLIES TO SOME I'M GOING TO SAY IN THE REGULAR THIS SHOULD BE THE POLICY PRACTICE.
THEN WE REDUCE THE GENERAL REVENUES OR IN THIS CASE, CRA FUNDING.
THAT'S MY ASK TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THIS COMES BACK.
THAT'S A VALID REQUIREMENT FOR ME TO SUPPORT THIS BUDGET.
THEN LASTLY, I'M GOING TO JUST SAY, AND I THINK ALL OF US ARE AWARE WHEN YOU LOOK ON PAGE 12, THE FUNDING THAT WE HAVE, AND WE DID DISCUSS THIS IN THE CRA PLAN UPDATE.
I DO BELIEVE THERE'S A HIGHER PRIORITY EXPENDITURE FOR FUNDS.
AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I THINK WE ALL BELIEVE THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT THAT COULD HAPPEN.
I THINK THIS PROJECT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN PROCEED WITH PERMITTING AND WHATEVER, BUT I THINK THE PROJECT AND I APPRECIATE, I THINK IT HAS BEEN MAYBE PLANNED OUT, PUSHED OUT A LITTLE BIT.
BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE PUSHED ANOTHER YEAR.
UNTIL WE SETTLE IN 2026, IS THIS OTHER SIGNIFICANT COST GOING TO COME TO BEAR BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON HOW TO FUND IT? RATHER THAN THE FIRST PLACE I'D GO TO FUNDING IS TO BE DEFER THIS PROJECT, I'D RATHER JUST SAY, LET'S PLAN IT NOW FOR ANOTHER YEAR OUT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT MY COLLEAGUES THINK ABOUT THAT, BUT LET THEM SHARE THAT PERSPECTIVE.
>> ARE YOU TALKING THE LIVING SHORELINE PROJECT?
>> NO, I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE PI PLACE.
ALL THAT WAS ON THE PI PLACE PROJECT, WHICH IS A $2 MILLION PROJECT.
WE'VE GOT TO GET SOME GRANT FUNDING FOR IT AND THAT REDUCES WHAT WE PUT IN.
BUT IT'S ALSO A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF FUNDS AND I AGREE TO THE PROJECT.
I THINK WE MAY NEED THAT FUNDS FOR AN EARLIER INVESTMENT WE MAY BE MAKING.
I DON'T THINK I NEED TO SAY WHAT THAT IS.
I THINK PEOPLE KNOW ON THE COUNCIL COMMISSION.
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND ON THE POLICY REGARDING GRANT FUNDING.
YOU'RE SAYING, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, IF I COULD ASK ABOUT WHAT IS EXPECTED IN TERMS OF GRANT FUNDING ON THIS PROJECT OR WHAT IS STAFF APPLYING FOR IN TERMS OF BALLPARK FIGURE.
THIS IS ONLY FOR PERMITTING AND DESIGN?
>> THE WRITE UP BY THE WAY ON PAGE 10.
>> THE FIRST PHASE IS WHAT STAFF SUBMITTED FOR A PHASE ONE FEASIBILITY GRANT WITH FIND, AND THAT'S A 50% GRANT.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT WE'VE SUBMITTED.
WE DON'T HEAR UNTIL OCTOBER WHETHER OR NOT WE GET IT.
THEN AFTER YOU GO THROUGH PERMITTING AND GET APPROVAL FOR YOUR PERMITTING AND EVERYTHING LOOKS LIKE A GO, THEN YOU SUBMIT FOR YOUR PHASE 2 GRANT, WHICH IS FOR IMPLEMENTATION.
DEPENDING UPON THE PROJECT AND GOING THROUGH THE MANGROVES, ENVIRONMENTAL PERMITTING COULD TAKE A YEAR.
>> YEAH, I SEE AND I CIRCLE THE WORD RELIANT IN THE NARRATIVE FOR THIS PROJECT.
MAYOR, YOU'RE SAYING, SOME PROJECTS, I BELIEVE, ARE WORTH DOING GRANT OR NO GRANT.
WE CAN AFFORD TO WAIT UNTIL GRANT FUNDING COMES.
SOMETIMES LIKE THAT GRANT IS A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE PROJECT, SOMETIMES LESS SO MORE ACCESSORY.
SHOULD WE DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THOSE?
>> WELL, TWO THINGS I WAS JUST SUGGESTING THIS.
IT'LL ALWAYS BE THE PREROGATIVE OF THE COUNCIL, IN THIS CASE, THE COMMISSION TO DECIDE WHETHER TO DO A PROJECT WITH OR WITHOUT THE GRANT.
BUT FOR PRACTICE, AND STAFF HAVE BEEN GOOD ABOUT THIS AND WE'VE HAD A GOOD SUCCESS RATE, AND THEY COMMIT HERE AND THEY SAY, GEE, THEY THINK WE COULD GET A 50% MATCH ON CONSTRUCTION.
WELL, THEN WHY WOULD I BE ASKED TO APPROVE FUNDING THE WHOLE THING OUT OF GENERAL REVENUES.
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THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN.I MEAN, THEY COULD GIVE US 40%.
THEN WHEN THAT HAPPENS, WE MAKE A BUDGET ADJUSTMENT.
BUT THEN WE'RE ALSO NOT ACCEPTING THE FACT THAT IF WE GET NO GRANT, THAT WE WOULD PROCEED JUST TO DO IT BY HAVING THE FUNDING SIT THERE.
I'D RATHER HAVE IT COME BACK TO US AND THEN WE DECIDE.
>> THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME, BUT WHAT WOULD THAT MEAN FOR STAFF AND FOR THIS PROJECT? YOU HAVE TO HAVE ALL THE FUNDING TO DO THE PROJECT.
WE'RE SAYING IT'S GRANT RELIANT.
IF WE ONLY WROTE IN TO THE PROJECT, THE AMOUNT THAT THE TOWN WOULD PUT UP, NOT NECESSARILY THE AMOUNT OF THE GRANT, THEN IT WOULD BE TRULY GRANT RELIANT, COULDN'T GO FORWARD WITHOUT IT.
BUT NOT ALL PROJECTS ARE GRANT RELIANT.
THERE ARE GRANTS INVOLVED THAT THEY'RE WORTH DOING.
IT WOULD BE A NICE THING IF WE GOT A GRANT IN SOME CASES, BUT THEY'RE NOT ALL GRANT RELIANT, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> LIKE A STRATEGIC INITIATIVE, THE COUNCIL SAID, WE WANT THIS PROJECT TO HAPPEN.
AT THAT POINT, THE STAFF IS PREPARING TO FUND THAT PROJECT OR PREPARE THE SUGGESTED FUNDING AND DO THOSE ESTIMATES FOR COUNCIL OR THE COMMISSION'S CONSIDERATION.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD IS BASED ON WHAT THE COMMISSION HAS STATED THAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE.
AT THAT POINT, THE GRANT IS NOT BEING CONSIDERED BECAUSE YOU ALL HAVE SAID, WE WANT TO SEE THIS PROJECT HAPPEN.
THE NEXT THING IS, ARE THERE AVAILABILITIES OF GRANTS? YES, THERE ARE.
STEPHANIE AND HER TEAM HAVE IDENTIFIED SOME POSSIBLE GRANTS, BUT THEY HAVE TO DO EXPLORATORY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE GRANT WILL BE VIABLE AND EVEN IF IT'LL FIT THIS TYPE OF PROJECT.
YOU HAVE THE ONE THAT IS A STRATEGIC INITIATIVE.
THE COMMISSION HAS SAID WE WANT TO SEE IT HAPPEN.
STAFF IS WORKING TOWARDS THAT.
WE COULD PUT A GRANT ELEMENT IN HERE.
BUT THEN THE QUESTION WOULD BE, IS IT RELYING ON THE GRANT? IT'S A STRATEGIC INITIATIVE OF THE TOWN.
THEN YOU HAVE THE PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT STRATEGIC INITIATIVES, BUT ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE GOOD TO HAVE OR FOR PUBLIC SAFETY OR OTHER TYPES OF CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, THAT IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY, STAFF IS GOING TO APPLY FOR A GRANT, ESPECIALLY IF ONE'S PRESENTED, WE HAVE LOBBYISTS THAT WE WORK WITH.
THEY GO AND LOBBY IN TALLAHASSEE FROM THE LABOR UP THERE.
GRANTS BECOME AVAILABLE THROUGH THE APPROPRIATIONS PROCESS.
THEY CAN AUGMENT CURRENT PROJECTS THAT ARE ON THE BOOKS AND BE ABLE TO AUGMENT AND WE BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL AND WE MEND THE BUDGET AT THAT POINT WHEN WE KNOW WE HAVE THE PROJECT OR I'M SORRY, THE GRANT FUNDS AT HAND.
I KNOW I'M GIVEN A LONG EXPLANATION, BUT TRYING TO BRING CLARITY TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE SEEING THE COUNCIL OR THE COMMISSION SAYING, THIS IS A PRIORITY PROJECT.
THESE ARE THE ELEMENTS WITHIN THE PROJECT.
WE COST THOSE THINGS OUT. THIS IS WHAT IT COSTS.
AVAILABILITY OF A GRANT, POSSIBLY, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT STEPHANIE AND THEM HAVE DONE.
THEY'VE IDENTIFIED A POSSIBLE GRANT, DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GOING TO GET IT, BUT IS IT STILL A PRIORITY OF THE COMMISSION AND TO YOUR POINT?
>> YEAH, BUT LET ME JUST CHALLENGE RESPECTFULLY SOME OF WHAT YOU SAID.
THERE CAN BE A STRATEGIC PRIORITY PROJECT THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT ALL OF US, BUT IT'S CONTINGENT UPON GETTING GRANT FUNDING.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE.
WE HAVE A GREAT TRACK RECORD OF GETTING GRANT FUNDING FOR THIS ONE, IT'S ALWAYS THE CASE.
IF WE SIT HERE, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT EVERYBODY ELSE ON THE DIS, BUT I SIT HERE AND I READ IN THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION IS A GRANT.
MY DECISION TO SUPPORT IT IS SAYING THAT.
I'M NOW JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE CONSISTENT WITH THAT.
I LIKE THE FUNDING TO SHOW THAT RIGHT ON THE FUNDING SHEET AND TO REDUCE.
THEN WE CAN THEN THEN I'M SETTING IT UP SO THERE'S NO MISUNDERSTANDING THAT STAFF COULD EVEN THINK THAT WE DON'T GET THE GRANT, WE'RE STILL GOING TO FORGE AHEAD.
NO, THAT WOULD DEPRIVE US OF AND I DON'T THINK STAFF WOULD DO THAT ANYWAY BECAUSE IT WOULD DEPRIVE US OF LEVERAGING OUR TAXPAYERS DOLLARS RIGHT TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY.
WE'D BE INCLINED TO JUST DEFER IT A YEAR TO GET THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE, PARTICULARLY WHERE THIS GRANT IS COMING FROM SINCE THERE'S A GOOD TRACK RECORD OF SUPPORT FOR US.
BUT I JUST WANT TO ELIMINATE THE NOTION.
THAT'S WHY I WANT THE BUDGET SHEET TO START HAVING THE TBD BECAUSE IT'S ONLY UNDER THAT BASIS.
FIRST OF ALL, THAT ALLOWS US TO REDUCE EARMARKING GENERAL FUNDS, GENERAL REVENUES, BUT THEN NUMBER 2, IT FORCES IT TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL, JUST ASK THE QUESTION.
HEY, WE DIDN'T GET THE GRANT. YOU STILL WANT TO PROCEED?
>> TO BE CLEAR. NOW, I GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION FROM YOU.
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TO MAKE SURE THAT STAFF UNDERSTANDS.WE'VE IDENTIFIED A POSSIBLE TO BE DETERMINED GRANT THAT STEPHANIE AND THEM ARE WORKING ON.
YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO ESTIMATE WHAT THAT GRANT AMOUNT WOULD BE AND PUT IT IN AS PART OF THE FUNDING STREAM.
>> RIGHT IN THE DESCRIPTION, IT SAYS 50%.
>> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. WE WOULD ESTIMATE WHAT THAT COST IS, PUT IT IN THE FUNDING LINE, AND THEN IF WE DO NOT RECEIVE IT, THEN BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION.
>> THERE'D BE A PROCESS YEARLY ANYWAY TO DO THAT.
>> I'LL TELL YOU WHAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL FOR US BECAUSE I AGREE WITH YOU 100%.
WHEN THE COMMISSION OR COUNCIL GIVES US A STRATEGIC INITIATIVE, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE DIRECTION THAT YOU GIVE US.
WE DON'T REALLY GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO PICK AND CHOOSE.
IF YOU'RE SAYING IF WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS THE WAY I'M INTERPRETING THIS.
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU'LL GIVE US AN INITIATIVE, LIKE TAKE THE ONE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW, AND THAT GETS CLASSIFIED UNDER.
IF YOU CAN FIND A GRANT, WE WOULD LIKE TO DO THIS.
HOWEVER, IT'S NOT DOESN'T REACH THE SAME LEVEL AS THE OTHER STRATEGIC PRIORITIES THAT DON'T REQUIRE A GRANT.
BECAUSE I THINK CURRENTLY WE HAVE 49 HOW MANY PROJECTS DO WE HAVE RIGHT NOW?
>> FORTY NINE OVER 50 PROJECTS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
IT WOULD REALLY BE HELPFUL FOR STAFF.
IF WE KNOW THESE ARE YOUR PRIORITIES AND THESE ARE THE ONES THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO IF WE HAVE A GRANT.
LIKE THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE. PURSUE THIS.
IF YOU CAN FIND THE GRANT, COME BACK TO US.
IF YOU CAN'T, JUST HOLD ONTO IT UNTIL YOU FIND A GRANT. YEAH.
>> EVEN IT'S REALLY THE BEST ONE I COULD EVER HAVE STARTED ON WITH THIS POLICY, POSITION, BECAUSE STAFF HAS A GOOD TRACK RECORD ON PURSUING GROUNDS FOR THESE PROJECTS.
ANYBODY WHO'S BEEN LONG TERM ON COUNSEL KNOWS, THESE PROJECTS HAVE A GREAT TRACK RECORD.
IT'S NOT SUBJECT TO A GOVERNOR VEDO, IT'S A DIFFERENT SITUATION.
BUT EVEN IF THERE WAS SOMETHING SUBJECT TO A GOVERNMENT VEDO, WHATEVER THE DOCTOR SHEET SAYS IS THE BASIS FOR THE CIP APPROVAL.
IF WE'RE THINKING WE CAN GET A GRANT, THEN WE PUT IT IN ASSUMING THAT AND THEN WE COME BACK, STAFF COMES BACK IF WE'VE EXHAUSTED ALL OPTIONS.
>> I THINK IT COULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE GRANT.
I KNOW IT SAYS 50% HERE AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF POSSIBLE GRANTS LISTED.
I'M NOT READY TO SUPPORT LIKE A FLAT POLICY ON ANYTHING YET BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF VARIETY IN TERMS OF THE RELIANCE OF A PROJECT ON GRANTS, THE TYPE OF PROJECT, AND WE CAN GET INTO THAT IN THE NEXT CIP.
BUT FOR THIS, WHAT I'M HEARING IS, IT'S OUR PREROGATIVE TO CHANGE OUR PRIORITIES AS CIRCUMSTANCES CHANGE.
WHAT WE KNOW OR WHAT I EXPECT WE KNOW IS THAT OUR CIRCUMSTANCES HAVE CHANGED IN THE CRA THAT MAYBE REALIGN OUR PRIORITIES, AND SO WE NEED TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THAT EXTERNAL CIRCUMSTANCE.
IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR FUNDING OR WANTING TO FOCUS ON OTHER PRIORITIES FOR THIS YEAR, THEN THAT'S OKAY.
WE COULD WAIT A YEAR AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THESE OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES.
THIS ONE, I THINK, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S MORE RELIANT THAN OTHER PROJECTS IN THE CIP AND ELSEWHERE AS A COUNCIL.
I'M SPEAKING AS A COMMISSIONER.
BUT HERE WITH THE CRA, I TO CHANGE OUR PRIORITIES, IT'S OUR PREROGATIVE.
WE COULD PUSH ONE YEAR, THAT'S FINE.
>> I AGREE. IT'S NOT AS HIGH A PRIORITY AS MAYBE LIVING SHORE LINE TO PRESERVE INFRASTRUCTURE, SEA WALLS, WHERE IF WE WERE HOPING TO GET A GRANT AND DID IT, WE WE MAY REALLY NEED TO DO, BUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS A LITTLE FLUFFIER, BUT IT'S NOT PERTINENT THAT WE GET IT DONE THIS YEAR.
I WOULD AGREE WITH THE MAYOR ON THIS ISSUE, BUT NOT AS LIKE A BLANKET STATEMENT.
>> [INAUDIBLE] PRIORITY. IT'S IN THE CIP.
WE'RE MOVING THINGS AROUND TO REPRIORITIZE BASED ON EXTERNAL CIRCUMSTANCES.
>> WE HAVE $140,000 TO SPEND ON PERMITTING AND OTHER WORK.
IN 2026 BECAUSE WE HAD 115,000 CARRYOVER, WE'RE PROVIDING ANOTHER 25.
IT ISN'T LIKE THE PROJECT IS REALLY GOING TO HALT.
IT'S GOT TO ADVANCE ANYWAY TO GET TO THE NATURAL STEP OF EVEN APPLYING FOR A GRANT.
I'M JUST POSITIONING OURSELVES HERE TO RECOGNIZE SO THAT WE DON'T, THAT THERE'S A COMEBACK TO US BEFORE WE WOULD PROCEED WITH
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THE SECOND GRANT REQUEST WHICH IS THE MORE SIGNIFICANT ONE BECAUSE THEN WE HAVE TO BE ALIGNED ON THE SCHEDULE.WE'RE GOING TO DO IT. I GET THAT, BUT THAT'S A YEAR OFF.
>> THAT'S RIGHT. LET ME CLARIFY THE ASK THEN.
ARE WE DELAYING BY ONE YEAR? ARE WE WAITING TO LEARN THE RESULTS OF.
>> I WOULD DELAY. AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE COULD MOVE IT UP, BUT RIGHT NOW I'M JUST SAYING PUT IT OUT.
BUT TWO THINGS, I THINK MORE IMPORTANTLY IS HAD A GRANT TO BE DETERMINED AT 50% IS WHAT WE THINK FROM TRACK RECORD, YOU'RE REDUCING THE GENERAL REVENUE REQUIREMENT.
THEREFORE, IT'S UNDERSTOOD BECAUSE THAT'S THE BASIS ON WHICH I'D BE APPROVING THIS.
>> BUT BY WAITING TO FIND IF WE APPROVE FOR A GRANT, WOULD YOU SAY OCTOBER, DOES THAT AUTOMATICALLY PUSH US OUT TO THE NEXT YEAR?
>> NO. I THINK WE WHAT MISS SOBERN SAID WAS, WE HAVE TO PERMIT IT AND DEFINE IT BEFORE WE COULD EVER GO BACK ANYWHERE.
>> THE NEXT WE HAVE WITH THE GRANT FOR ENGINEERING IS WHAT YOU SAID OR FEASIBILITY OR WHATEVER.
>> THERE WAS A COMMENT TO FROM THE TOWN MANAGER TALKING ABOUT SOME STRATEGIC PRIORITIES DON'T RELY ON GRANTS.
WE MOVE FORWARD ON THEM, WE DON'T CHANGE.
IT'S THE PREROGATIVE OF THIS COMMISSION TO CHANGE ANYTHING.
IT'S REALLY WE HAVE MORE AUTHORITY THAN WE REALIZE.
>>IT'LL TAKE TIME JUST BECAUSE OF THE SPECIFIC PERMITTING FOR MANGROVES AND ANYTHING.
>> HAVE BEEN ONGOING FOR SOME TIME AND MAKES SENSE.
I THINK WHAT DISTINGUISHES THIS PROJECT FROM OTHER COMMISSION PROJECTS IS HOW IT'S NEW PROJECT.
THERE'S MORE FLEXIBILITY AT THIS STAGE.
I WOULD SAY THAN THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN ONGOING FOR YEARS.
I WOULDN'T WANT TO STOP LOVE STREET IN THE MIDDLE OF IT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
>> JUST FROM STAFF PERSPECTIVE SO I CAN MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR.
WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS IN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, WE HAVE FUNDS EXPENDED RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE FUNDS AVAILABLE TO REACH A CERTAIN LEVEL IN THIS PROJECT.
WHEN WE REACH THAT LEVEL IN THIS PROJECT, WE WILL HAVE COMPLETED WHAT THE COMMISSION I ALMOST SAID, COUNSEL.
WHAT THE COMMISSION'S DIRECTION IS TO THAT POINT IN TIME, WHEN WE'RE ABLE TO SECURE A GRANT, WE WOULD THEN COME BACK TO RE ESTABLISH THAT PROJECT.
BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE GRANT.
>> AM I MISSING WELL, I WOULDN'T SAY IT THAT WAY.
LET'S LOOK AT THE BOOK RIGHT NOW.
THE PLAN IS, AS IT IS NOW, IS WITH THE FUNDING, THAT IT WOULD BE IN SERVICE 284.
WHAT I'M SAYING, IT WOULD JUST BE AMENDED FOR THIS CYCLE TO SAY THE PLAN IS PROJECTED IN SERVICE DATE IS 29.
IT'S STILL IN THE FIVE YEAR PLAN.
THERE'S DIRECTION FOR THE SECOND PHASE.
BUT AGAIN, NEXT YEAR, WE COULD BRING IT BACK SOONER.
GRANT WITHIN THE FUNDING? I'D EXPECT THAT THE PROJECTED IN SERVICE DATE IS GOING TO CHANGE BECAUSE THE CONSTRUCTION IS GOING TO SLIP AND BE REDUCED WITH THE FUNDING.
THEN AGAIN, NEXT YEAR, A YEAR FROM NOW, WE COME BACK AND WE LOOK AT IT AGAIN AS WE DO EVERY YEAR.
>> FOR THIS SIDE, I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
>> WOULD THAT BE A POLICY YOU WANT TO PUT FORWARD?
>> WELL, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT IN OTHERS, BUT CERTAINLY I DON'T KNOW WHY ANYBODY WOULDN'T AGREE THAT IF THERE'S A GRANT THAT COULD BE GOTTEN.
YEAH. IT OUGHT TO BE INCLUDED AS TBD.
IT'S CLEAR WITH THE TBD AND THE STANDARD LINE ITEM THAT NOT FIRMED, BUT THEN WE'RE ADJUSTING THE REVENUES WE'RE APPLYING, THEN IT WOULD AT LEAST COME BACK TO COUNCIL, IF IN FACT, SO WE COULD MAKE A DECISION, DO WE DEFER IT, OR DO WE NOW PUT MORE MONEY INTO THIS.
WE HAVE AN ANNUAL CYCLE TO DO THAT.
>> WE'RE REDUCING THE TOWN'S CONTRIBUTION IN THE CIP SHEET OR.
>> BUT WE WOULD BE CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE TO ALLOW FOR I MEAN, THESE ARE ALL ESTIMATES WITH THE GRANT.
YOU WANT FLEXIBILITY SO THAT YOU COULD CONTINUE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT AND NOT HAVE TO.
>> THE CONSTRUCTION PIECE IS THE 50% GRANT.
THAT WE WOULD REFLECT AND TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING, WE'RE GOING TO PROCEED FORWARD WITH THE PERMITTING AND EVERYTHING AS IS.
BUT WE'RE PUSHING THE PROJECT OUT FOR THAT ONE YEAR AND SHOWING A REDUCTION OF THE CRA FUNDS FOR CONSTRUCTION WITH 50% OF THAT COMING FROM A GRANT.
>> I THINK OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR HAS TOLD ME HIS OPINION SEVERAL TIMES THAT THE FIVE YEAR CIP IS REALLY A ONE YEAR FIRM BUDGET IN THE YEAR. THAT'S CORRECT. 25
>> THOSE ARE WE CALL THEM PROGRAM DOLLARS, THOUGH?
>> YEAH. UNDERSTAND. YEAH. I STILL THINK IT'S SIGNIFICANT COMMITMENT IF WE SHOW IT,
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BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE.>> WELL, LET ME ASK ONE QUESTION.
WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO PUT A THRESHOLD DOLLAR ON THESE GRANTS, THAT IF IT EXCEEDS A THRESHOLD, WE'D WANT TO BRING IT BACK IN THE COUNCIL LOOK AT IT, OR SAY LIKE 25 50K, THAT WE GO FORWARD WITH IT. DOES IT MAKE SENSE?
>> WELL, THIS ONE IS I GUESS WE COULD TAKE.
>>THIS IS A BIG ONE HERE, SO IT'S.
>> MY POLICY GUIDANCE WAS, I'M NEVER AGAIN GOING TO APPROVE A CIP THERE'S FIVE OF US, FOUR CAN APPROVE BUT I NEVER AGAIN, GOING TO APPROVE A CIP THAT WE EXPECT THE GRANT, BUT WE OVERFUNDED IN GENERAL REVENUES.
THEREFORE, I CALL IT MY POLICY BECAUSE WE COULD COME BACK MID YEAR AND ADJUST IT.
I FEEL LIKE I'M BEING RESPONSIBLE WITH THE PUBLIC'S MONEY.
I'M JUST SAYING WE'RE GOING TO JUST FORGE AHEAD AND IT DOESN'T MATTER TO US WHETHER WE GET THE GRANT OR NOT.
I'M JUST BEING CONSISTENT WITH THAT, PARTICULARLY SINCE WHEN THE TEXT SHOWS IT, AND STAFF HAS A TRACK RECORD.
DO THE ONES THAT DO THE WORK TO GET THE GRANT.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GIVEN CREDIT WHERE CREDITS DUE HERE.
IN THIS CASE, I THINK THEY WOULD PROPOSE TO DEFER IT IN CONFIDENCE, HEY, SOMETHING HAPPENED MAYBE ONE YEAR WITH THE GRANTS WITH THIS AGENCY AND WE JUST DEFER IT A YEAR.
BUT SO I WAS MORE JUST SIGNALING THAT I'M GOING TO MAKE THE SAME COMMENTS ON OTHERS LIKE THIS AND WE CAN LOOK AT IT CASE BY CASE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS BY THE COMMISSION? I AGREE.
>> NONE REPORTS, COMMISSION ATTORNEY?
>>THE TIME IS NOW 06:37, AND WE'LL ADJOURN THE MEETING.
LET'S JUST RECESS FOR FIVE MINUTES TO RE WE WILL RESUME OR TO OPEN UP THE WORKSHOP FOR THE CIP.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.