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[Call To Order]
THE TIME IS NOW 7:00 P.M. AND I'LL CALL TO ORDER THE TOWN COUNCIL MEETING OF TUESDAY NOVEMBER 19TH.WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE INVOCATION FOLLOWED BY A MOMENT OF SILENCE AND THEN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
>> DEAR GOD, GUIDE US IN THE WAY OF JUSTICE AND PEACE THAT WE MAY HONOR ONE ANOTHER AND SERVE THE COMMON GOOD, AMEN.
LET'S HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
>> CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE?
>> COUNCILOR MAY, TOWN MANAGER KITSO?
>> WE HAVE THE FDOT REP HERE TODAY.
[1. Florida Department of Transportation (FDOT) West Indiantown Road Presentation by Thomas Emerson, Project Administrator.]
JUST TO INTRODUCE THIS ITEM.>> TONIGHT IS A TOWN COUNCIL MEETING AND WE CONDUCT TOWN BUSINESS.
I'M GRATEFUL THAT CONCILMEMBER SANSTROM SAW THE OPPORTUNITY TO INVITE FDOT HERE TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TO THOSE OF US IN THE CHAMBERS, THOSE THAT ARE WATCHING ONLINE EITHER LIVE OR YOU KNOW, AFTERWARDS.
THIS IS NOT INTENDED TO BE AN ITEM OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE COULD TAKE COMMENTS UNDER CITIZEN COMMENTS, BUT WE'RE GOING TO GET A PRESENTATION.
COUNCIL WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS AND THEN THAT'LL END THAT TOPIC.
AGAIN, HOPEFULLY, EVERYBODY WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE WITH FDOT, AND THIS IS THE VENUE THEY WOULDN'T OTHERWISE HAVE.
SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMING, AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU.
>> FIRST OFF, I JUST WANT TO SAY, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.
THANK YOU TO THE TOWN OF JUPITER.
ALSO PALM BEACH COUNTY FOR PUTTING OUT THE MESSAGE OF THE NEW SIGNAL PRIOR TO DURING AND CURRENTLY.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR HELP WITH THE COMMUNICATION TO ALL THE COMMUNITY.
I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
FIRST OFF, MY NAME IS THOMAS SUMERSON.
I'M A CONSULTANT FOR THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION ON THE PROJECT INDIAN TOWN ROAD.
I'M THE PROJECT ADMINISTRATOR.
I RUN THE CONSTRUCTION FOR THE DOT ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS.
THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO BE STATE ROAD 9, WHICH IS 95 NORTHBOUND OFF RAMP TO EASTBOUND INDIANTOWN ROAD, AND ALSO INCLUDES INDIAN TOWN ROAD FROM THE FORDS TURN PIKE ALL THE WAY TO CENTRAL BOULEVARD.
JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THE PROJECT ITSELF, THE REASON WE'RE HERE, THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT.
WHAT WE'RE DOING ON THIS PROJECT IS WIDENING PORTIONS OF EASTBOUND AND WESTBOUND INDIANTOWN ROAD TO INCLUDE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC LANES AND BIKE LANES FOR IMPROVED TRAFFIC FLOW.
WE'RE ALSO REALIGNING THE NORTHBOUND, I-95 OFF RAMP TO INDIANTOWN ROAD, EASTBOUND RAMP, AND WE'RE ALSO INTRODUCING THE SIGNAL.
APPROXIMATELY 1.5 MILES, OUR PRIME CONTRACTORS MAS TECH CIVIL.
WE STARTED CONSTRUCTION OCTOBER 30, APPROXIMATELY $18 MILLION.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE 619 CONSTRUCTION DAYS, AND THOSE ARE CALENDAR DAYS CONSECUTIVELY, AND WE'RE ANTICIPATED TO COMPLETE IN SUMMER 2025.
THE OVERVIEW. THE PROJECT OVERVIEW IS BASICALLY WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE CURRENT TRAFFIC PATTERN.
WE WANT TO STRESS THAT THE CURRENT TRAFFIC PATTERN IS A TEMPORARY PHASE AND WILL BE CHANGED NEXT WEEK.
THE PHASING OF THIS, WHAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW WITH THE TWO LANES EASTBOUND AND THE TWO LANES COMING OFF THE RAMP WAS GOING TO LAST APPROXIMATELY 10 DAYS OR TAKE WEATHER AND THE HOLIDAYS.
WE WANT TO FINISH THIS OBVIOUSLY BEFORE THE HOLIDAYS.
IF THE WEATHER IMPACTS US WITH RAIN, WE CAN'T PAVE IN THE RAIN AND WE CAN'T STRIKE IN THE RAIN.
BUT IT WAS APPROXIMATELY 10 DAYS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING.
WE SHOULD HAVE STRESSED THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE IN OUR OUTREACH.
THE 10 DAYS OBVIOUSLY WOULD HAVE HOPEFULLY LESSENED THE IMPACT TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRAVELING IN THESE LANES, AND ALSO GIVING THEM SOME UPDATE THAT IT'S NOT A PERMANENT CONFIGURATION, WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW.
PRIOR TO THE CONSTRUCTION, THERE WERE TWO EASTBOUND LANES THROUGH THE 95 INTERCHANGE AS IT APPROACHES THE UNINTERRUPTED I-95 TO EASTBOUND OFF RAMP. THAT WAS BEFORE THE SIGNAL.
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WE HAD TWO LANES EASTBOUND.WE HAD TWO LANES COMING OFF OF 95 TO GO EASTBOUND.
WITH THIS PROJECT, BASICALLY, WE'RE DOING I-95 SOUTHBOUND OFF RAMP TO EASTBOUND.
WE'RE GOING TO ADD A THIRD LANE WHEN YOU COME SOUTHBOUND 95 TO EASTBOUND INDIANTOWN ROAD.
RIGHT NOW, YOU GO SOUTHBOUND 95 TO EASTBOUND INDIANTOWN ROAD, AND YOU BASICALLY MERGE INTO THE TWO LANES.
THAT THIRD LANE IS GOING TO CONTINUE THROUGH ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO CENTRAL BOULEVARD.
THEN ALSO, YOU'RE GOING TO ADD A FOURTH LANE WHEN WE TRAVEL WEST.
WHEN YOU BASICALLY PICK UP THAT THIRD LANE, YOU GO UNDERNEATH THE I-95 RAMPS, AS SOON AS YOU PASS I-95 RAMPS, YOU'RE GOING TO OPEN UP TO A FOURTH LANE AND THAT FOURTH LANE WILL CONTINUE AS WELL, ALL THE WAY TO CENTRAL BOULEVARD.
THEN FOR THE LIGHT, BASICALLY, THERE WAS A STUDY CONDUCTED AND THE PROJECT DETERMINED THE SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS ARE EXPECTED WITH THE COMPLETION OF THIS PROJECT OF THE LIGHT TO THE NEXT PAGE.
THE SIGNAL ACTIVATION WAS APPROXIMATELY 6:00 A.M ON THURSDAY NOVEMBER 14.
THAT'S WHEN THE ISSUE STARTED WITH THE TRAFFIC IN THE EASTBOUND DIRECTION IN THE MORNING THAT MORNING.
THAT WAS THE DAY WE SHIFTED TRAFFIC TO THE NEWLY CONSTRUCTED I 95 NORTHBOUND OFF RAMP TO EASTBOUND INDIANTOWN ROAD.
THEN WE ALSO BEGAN DEMO OF THE OLD RAMP THAT SAME DAY.
DUE TO HIGH VOLUMES OF TRAFFIC ON EASTBOUND INDIANTOWN ROAD.
THE SIGNAL HAD TO BE ACTIVATED TO ALLOW I-95 NORTHBOUND TO EASTBOUND OFF RAMP TRAFFIC TO TURN ONTO INDIANTOWN ROAD.
ONCE WE TOOK THE TRAFFIC OFF OF THE OLD RAMP THAT WAS FREE FLOWING, AND WE BROUGHT IT DOWN.
THERE WAS NO WAY TO LEAVE THAT FREE FLOWING AND ALLOW THE EASTBOUND TRAFFIC TO CONTINUE.
WE HAD TO TURN THE LIGHT ON BASICALLY AND THE REASON WHY THE THIRD LANE WAS NOT DONE IS THERE'S ABOUT A ONE FT DIFFERENCE IN ELEVATION BETWEEN THE OLD RAMP WITH THE OLD RAMP COMES DOWN OFF I-95 AND TIES INTO EASTBOUND INDIANTOWN ROAD.
IT'S ABOUT 1 FT HIGHER, IN THE ROAD.
WE HAVE TO DEMO ALL OF THAT TO BUILD THE THIRD AND THE FOURTH LANE.
WE COULDN'T DO THAT WHILE THE ACTIVE TRAFFIC WAS ON THERE.
THERE WAS NO WAY TO BASICALLY PHASE THE TRAFFIC OFF AND BUILD THAT AT THE SAME TIME.
THAT'S BASICALLY THE LAST BULLET HERE WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO BUILD THE THIRD AND THE FOURTH LANE BEFORE THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL BECAUSE OF THE ELEVATION DIFFERENCE.
SINCE THE ACTIVATION ON THE 14TH, WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING OR WHAT CURRENTLY IS OUT THERE IS ONE LANE EXITS I-95 OFF RAMP TO EASTBOUND INDIANTOWN ROAD THAT OPENS UP TO TWO LANES AT THE LIGHT.
THE TRAFFIC IS BEING MANUALLY CONTROLLED TO ASSIST WITH BACKUPS DURING PEAK HOUR MORNING.
IN THE MORNING, WE'RE OUT THERE, OUR CREWS ARE OUT THERE.
MANUALLY, SHIFTING THE LIGHT, WATCHING THE TRAFFIC, AND TRYING TO GIVE MORE TIME WHERE WE BELIEVE THE TRAFFIC NEEDS TO BE MOVED.
THE SIGNAL IS NOT OPERATING ON TIMING RIGHT NOW, OR AS OF THIS MORNING, BECAUSE ADDITIONAL TEMPORARY TRAFFIC DEVICES HAVE BEEN ADDED.
WHAT WE DID IS WE REACHED OUT TO THE COUNTY AND WITH OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY PROVIDED US WITH VIDEO DETECTION CAMERAS.
THESE CAMERAS ARE INSTALLED ON THE MAST ARMS, YOU'LL SEE A CAMERA UP THERE, AND THAT CAMERA BASICALLY SHOOTS DOWN AND IT DETECTS THE VEHICLES AS THEY APPROACH THE STOP LIGHT TO PUT THEM IN A QUEUE FOR THE NEXT TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
THAT SHOULD HELP WITH OFF PEAK HOURS RIGHT NOW.
DURING THE PEAK HOURS IN THE MORNING, WE'RE STILL MANUALLY DOING IT BECAUSE THE VIDEO DETECTION IS GETTING THE CALLS CONSTANTLY IN THE MORNING.
IT'S CONSTANTLY TELLING, HEY, I'M READY FOR AGREE, WE'RE MANUALLY CHANGING IT.
ALSO, WITH OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COUNTY, THE COUNTY HAS ALLOWED US TO USE DONALD ROSS ROAD AS AN ALTERNATE INDIANTOWN ROAD TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE EXIT TRAFFIC, THAT'S COMING TO INDIANTOWN.
HOPEFULLY, SOME OF THE PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE DONALD ROSS ROAD AND EITHER COME UP MILITARY OR USE THE BACK ROADS TO GET OFF OF THE JUPITER EXIT INSTEAD.
ALSO, WE'RE COORDINATING WITH FIRST RESPONDERS TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY HAS ACCESS TO THE ROAD AND THAT WE'RE NOT CREATING A BIGGER ISSUE FOR THE FIRST RESPONDERS.
THAT'S WHAT CURRENTLY HAPPENING. MOVING FORWARD.
THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO BE HAPPENING STARTING TODAY.
ACTUALLY WE ALREADY STARTED ON SOME OF THIS, BUT MOVING FORWARD.
WE'RE GOING TO FINISH THE ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION FOR THE THIRD LANE BY FRIDAY.
FRIDAY, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET TRAFFIC ON THE THIRD LANE.
WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE WORKING THIS SUNDAY NIGHT, STARTING AT 10:00 P.M. TO WORK ON THE NORTHBOUND OFF RAMP TO EASTBOUND INDIANTOWN ROAD.
PLAN THERE IS TO COMPLETE THAT ENTIRE RAMP.
WHAT WAS BASICALLY BEFORE IS YOU HAD A DIRECT EXIT WITH AN OPTION LANE OFF I-95, RIGHT NOW, THERE'S ONE LANE.
WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THAT BACK UP TO TWO LANES OR ONE LANE, ONE LANE OPTION.
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YOU HAVE TWO LANES COMING TO I-95, WHICH WILL THEN OPEN THE THREE LANES AT THE SIGNAL, AND THOSE THREE LANES WILL TURN EASTBOUND ONTO INDIANTOWN ROAD.NOW, THE FINAL CONFIGURATION, WHICH IS THE FOURTH LANE IN THE EASTBOUND DIRECTION, WE'RE HOPING TO EXPECT THAT IN JANUARY 2025.
THAT FOURTH LANE IS GOING TO START FROM WHERE THE I-95 OVERPASSES HEADING EASTBOUND.
ALL OF THIS IS OBVIOUSLY WEATHER PERMITTING.
THE PICTURE HERE IS BASICALLY SHOWING THE SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION, AND IT'S SHOWING THE TWO LANES UP HERE, GOING INTO THREE LANES.
THIS IS I-95 NORTHBOUND TO EASTBOUND.
WE'LL HAVE TWO LANES COMING INTO THREE LANES, AND THERE'S A SIGNAL SHOWING ALL THREE LANES TURNING RIGHT.
THE FOURTH LANE, THE THIRD LANE ARE OPENING RIGHT HERE, AND THIS IS I-95 NORTHBOUND.
RIGHT PAST NORTHBOUND, OPEN UP RIGHT UNDERNEATH I-95 WE HAVE THE TWO LANES THERE, WE CAN'T REALLY BUILD OUT RIGHT AS SOON AS WE GET PAST I-95 AND IT OPENS UP TO THE GREEN AREA.
WE'LL HAVE FOUR LANES THERE. IF YOU DRIVE THERE NOW, YOU'LL SEE THAT IT'S ALREADY PAVED.
WE'VE ALREADY DONE AS MUCH WORK AS WE COULD BEFORE SHIFTING THE TRAFFIC.
WE'VE ALREADY PAVED THOSE LANES.
THE THIRD AND THE FOURTH LANE FROM 95 ALL THE WAY UP TO THE POINT WHERE WE COULDN'T PAVE ANYMORE, WHICH IS WHERE THE OLD RAMP CAME DOWN INTO INDIANTOWN ROAD, AND WE HAD THAT FOOT ELEVATION DIFFERENCE.
WE'RE ALREADY PAVED ALL THE WAY UP THERE.
WE HAVE TO BASICALLY PAVE THROUGH WHERE WE DEMOED OUT THE OLD RAMP, AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO PUT TRAFFIC ON THERE.
THE OVERBUILD SECTION IS ACTUALLY AT THE TOP PART OF THE RAMP.
THE TOP PART OF THE RAMP, WHEN WE'RE COMING DOWN THE RAMP AND THE OLD RAMP VEERS OFF THE SUPER ELEVATION.
IT'S ACTUALLY AT A DOWNS-LOPE.
WE ACTUALLY BUILD THAT UP TO MAKE IT FLAT FOR THE THIRD LANE TO COME IN, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING SUNDAY NIGHT, HOPEFULLY OPENING ON MONDAY MORNING.
THEN THE NEXT SLIDE IS BASICALLY THE ENTIRE PROJECT LIMITS, STARTING FROM WHERE WE START A MILL RESURFACING, WHICH IS AT THE TURNPIKE ENTRANCE, ALL THE WAY TO CENTRAL BOULEVARD.
IT SHOWS OUR NEW SIDEWALKS, OUR REALIGNING OUR RAMP WITH OUR NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL, OUR WIDENING OF THE ROAD AND THE EASTBOUND DIRECTION.
ALSO OUR WIDENING OF THE BRIDGE OVER THE C18 CANAL.
IT SHOWS THAT THE SIGNAL AT 67TH AND 68.
WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE WIDENING THE ROAD BETWEEN 67TH AND 68TH IN THE WESTBOUND DIRECTION.
THAT'S BASICALLY ALL I HAVE FOR RIGHT NOW.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS, OR COMMENT?
>> COULD YOU GO BACK TO SEVEN?
>> I KNOW YOU SAID THIS, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SUMMARIZING FOR US IN THE PUBLIC HERE.
WHEN THE LIGHT WAS PUT ACTIVATED, THERE WAS ONLY TWO NORTHBOUND RIGHT TURN LANES.
>> BY SUNDAY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE THIRD ONE?
>> CORRECT. SUNDAY AT 10 O'CLOCK. WE'RE CLOSING.
MONDAY, 6:00 A.M. WE HAVE TO BE OFF THE ROAD BEFORE 6:00 A.M. MONDAY MORNING.
>> THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE WITHOUT THE THIRD LANE, EASTBOUND, WHICH WOULD BE DONE.
>> FRIDAY OR OPEN BY SATURDAY?
>> FRIDAY, 11:22, 11:24, SO I JUST WROTE THE DATES DOWN.
BUT THEN THAT'S ANOTHER REASON YOU COULDN'T DO THE THIRD RIGHT TURN LANE.
>> THERE IS NO WAY FOR US TO BUILD THE THIRD AND THE FOURTH LANE WHILE TRAFFIC WAS ACTIVE ON THAT RAMP BECAUSE THAT RAMP WHEN IT COMES IN FROM I-95 INTO INDIANTOWN ROAD EASTBOUND, THE ELEVATION DIFFERENCE WAS BASICALLY A FOOT HIGHER.
WE'VE CURRENTLY PAVED EVERYTHING UP TO THAT RAMP AND YOU CAN SEE THE LIP.
IT'S NOT THERE ANYMORE BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY DEMOED IT OUT, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE LIP THAT WE HAD THE ELEVATION DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE EXISTING ROAD AND THE EASTBOUND INDIANTOWN ROAD, WHICH WE HAVE TO REMOVE TO THEN GET TRAFFIC TO GO THROUGH THERE.
>> NOW, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ACTIVATING OR OPENING UP THE THIRD LANE EASTBOUND ON INDIANTOWN ROAD, THAT'S ALL THE WAY TO CENTRAL BOULEVARD?
>> FROM THE PICTURE HERE, THERE'S ACTUALLY FOUR LANES.
>> THE FOURTH LANE. WE'RE HOPING TO OPEN BY JANUARY 2025.
>> I KNOW THAT FURTHER EAST IS MORE TIME TO DO IT.
I WAS WONDERING IF IN THIS AREA IT WAS GOING TO OPEN UP SOONER.
>> IN OUR PLANS, CURRENTLY, THERE'S NO PHASE FOR THAT.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE COULDN'T WORK WITH YOU GUYS TO POSSIBLY IMPLEMENT SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
BUT AT THIS TIME, WE DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING PLANNED FOR THAT.
WE'RE PLANNING TO OPEN THE FOURTH LANE ALL THE WAY THROUGH AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
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BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD DISCUSS.>> THE REASON I'M ASKING THIS ON BEHALF OF THE PUBLIC IS THAT THE INTERSECTIONS ARE THE BOTTLENECK, AND THEN THEY GET THROUGH THIS AREA AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO BE STOPPED ANYWAY, BUT YOU COULD AT LEAST GET MORE PEOPLE THROUGH TO THE NEXT LIGHT.
IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE THAT REALLY HELP THIS CRITICAL LOCATION, THAT'S BASICALLY THE ISSUE THAT WAS PRIOR TO THE SIGNAL BEING TURNED ON, THE TRAFFIC FREE FLOWED EASTBOUND AND NORTHBOUND TO EASTBOUND OFF I-95 RAMP, ALL THE WAY TO ISLAND WAY.
THAT'S WHERE MOST OF THE TRAFFIC STARTED.
THEN OBVIOUSLY, ONCE WE IMPLEMENTED THE LIGHT, THE TRAFFIC, THE QUEUING AREA BETWEEN ISLAND WAY AND THE NEW LIGHT IS BASICALLY WHAT PUSHED BACK, AND YOU WENT FROM THREE LANES TO TWO LANES.
>> I APOLOGIZE, I HADN'T SENT THIS QUESTION IN BEFORE, BUT FIBER CABLE TO ENABLE THE TRAFFIC SIGNALIZATION TO BE REMOTELY ADJUSTED BY PALM BEACH COUNTY TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT CONTROL CENTER.
WHERE IS THE FIBER BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THIS SIGNAL IS NOT LINKED AND CAN ONLY BE MANUALLY DONE.
>> EITHER MANUAL OR GPS TIMING OR VIDEO DETECTION.
WE HAVE OUR VIDEO DETECTION OUT THERE, BUT YOU ARE CORRECT.
IT IS NOT SYNCED TO PALM BEACH COUNTY TRAFFIC OPERATIONS AT THIS TIME.
>> WHAT'S YOUR SCHEDULE FOR THAT?
>> WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON INSTALLING THE CONDUIT.
WE ARE INSTALLING FIBER, BUT WE HAVE NOT INSTALLED FIBER THERE.
WE HAVE THE CONDUITS IN THE PULL BOX INSTALLED.
THE FIBER HAS JUST NOT BEEN INSTALLED YET AND WE HAVEN'T GONE TO THE BACKBONE.
FOR THIS PROJECT, RIGHT NOW THE TIMELINE FOR THAT, USUALLY WE DO AT THE END OF THE PROJECT.
THEY DON'T WANT TO INSTALL IT TWICE.
IF WE INSTALL THAT FIBER, AND THEY PUT A POST-MOUNT SIGN RIGHT THROUGH THAT FIBER, THAT'S GOING TO COST A LOT OF MONEY TO REPLACE.
THE CONTRACTOR USUALLY WAITS TILL ONE OF THE LATER STAGES OF THE CONTRACT TO INSTALL THE FIBER.
HOWEVER, THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T EXPEDITE THAT PROCESS.
BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE HAVEN'T ASKED THE CONTRACTOR TO EXPEDITE THE FIBER.
WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE ADDED THE VIDEO DETECTION FOR THE INTERSECTION.
THE VIDEO DETECTION SHOULD HOPEFULLY HELP WITH THE TIMING OF THE SIGNAL.
>> IT WILL, AND I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT I'D LIKE TO ASK, COULD YOU GO BACK AND SEE IF YOU CAN TAKE THE RISK AND PUT IT IN, BECAUSE THE BEST SITUATION IS IF THE PALM BEACH COUNTY TRAFFIC CONTROL CENTER CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF TRYING TO TIME ALL THE LIGHTS ADJUST. NOW THEY CAN'T.
>> CORRECT. THEY CAN SYNC IT UP WITH THE SYSTEM TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
WE CAN DEFINITELY ASK OUR CONTRACTOR TO EXPEDITE THAT WORK AND TO GET THAT FIBER INSTALLED AND ATTACHED TO THE BACKBONE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO.
>> I REALIZE THERE'S A RISK, BUT THAT'S GOING TO MAKE THE SITUATION AS GOOD AS IT CAN BE AS OPPOSED TO DOING WORKAROUNDS.
>> ALL MY QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED, BUT I JUST WANT TO KNOW, WHAT CAN WE DO TO WORK WITH YOU FOLKS TO GET THIS DONE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE? I THINK TAKING YOU BACK IN WHAT THE MAYOR SAID.
>> WE'RE WORKING AS FAST AS WE CAN.
WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING THIS WEEKEND, SUNDAY NIGHT, TO HOPEFULLY OPEN THAT RAMP.
THE INITIAL PHASING OF THE PROJECT DIDN'T SHOW THIS HAPPENING UNTIL LATER, BUT OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE OF THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, WE'RE KICKING THAT WORK UP SOONER TO TRY AND GET THIS INTO FINAL CONFIGURATION.
THIS RAMP CLOSURE FOR SUNDAY NIGHT, WE PUSHED IT THROUGH TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SPREAD THE WORK UP TO GET THAT FINAL CONFIGURATION OFF THE RAMP AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
SAME THING WITH THE THIRD AND THE FOURTH LANE, WE EXPEDITED THAT WORK ALREADY TO TRY AND GET THAT WORK DONE SOONER TO HELP TRAFFIC MOVE THROUGH THE INTERSECTION FASTER.
THEN OBVIOUSLY WHAT THE MAYOR WAS SAYING, WORKING WITH PALM BEACH COUNTY AND GETTING THE FIBER INSTALLED SHOULD HELP OUT AS WELL.
WE'RE JUST GOING TO KEEP TRYING TO WORK AS FAST AS POSSIBLE TO ALLEVIATE THE ISSUE.
>> CAN YOU PUT A DATE ON WHEN THE THREE LANES ARE UP AND RUNNING?
>> YES. THE THREE LANE SHOULD BE UP AND RUNNING FRIDAY.
FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 22ND, WE SHOULD HAVE THREE LANES.
>> YOU SAID LATE JANUARY FOR THE FOURTH LANE?
SOMETIME IN JANUARY, WE WILL BE OPENING THAT FOURTH LANE ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
>> HOW CAN WE SPEED THAT? THERE HAS TO BE A WAY.
>> I CAN TALK TO MY SUPERVISORS AT DOT, I CAN TALK WITH THE CONTRACTOR, I CAN SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO SPEED THAT UP.
WE JUST FINISHED THE DRAINAGE IN THE EASTBOUND DIRECTION ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE C-18 CANAL AND THE WEST OF THE C-18 CANAL.
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NOW THAT THE DRAINAGE IS DONE, WE CAN GO IN AND WE CAN ACTUALLY BUILD THE ROADWAY.ONCE WE BUILD THE ROADWAY WITH THE GRANULAR MATERIAL, THEN WE'LL DO THE ASPHALT MATERIAL.
ONCE WE DO THAT, THEN I STILL HAVE TO PUT A DRIVEWAY AT THE WEST SIDE OF THE CANAL IN THE C-18 CANAL, OR SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.
I HAVE TO PUT GUARD RAIL RIGHT THERE JUST TO PROTECT ANYBODY FROM DRIVING OFF THE RAMP, THAT WOULD HIT THE GUARD RAIL INSTEAD OF GOING INTO THE CANAL.
THOSE THINGS ARE THE CONTROLLING ITEMS RIGHT THERE.
WE CAN BE IN CONTACT WITH THE MAYOR.
WE ALSO HAVE A COUNTERPART THAT WE DEAL WITH AT THE TOWN, WITH THOMAS HERNANDEZ, WE CAN BE IN CONTACT WITH HIM, AND WE CAN TRY AND SEE IF WE CAN DO BETTER ON THAT DATE.
>> THE SUPPORT FOR THE ROAD IS THERE, YOU JUST HAVE TO FINISH THOSE ODDS EVENTS.
>> LAY THE GRAVEL PAVEMENT AND OPEN IT UP, CORRECT?
>> CORRECT, AND THE SAFETY FEATURES, WHICH INCLUDES THE GUARD RAIL.
IF YOU DRIVE EASTBOUND RIGHT NOW, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE BRIDGE, IT IS BUILT TO THE SOUTH SIDE, WHEN YOU'RE HEADING EASTBOUND.
BUT THERE'S A TEMPORARY CONCRETE BARRIER WALL THAT'S SITTING ON TOP OF THE WALL AND IT HAS A CRASH CUSHION, ATTENUATOR AT THE FRONT.
THAT ATTENUATOR IS BASICALLY PROTECTING EVERYBODY FROM TWO THINGS, ONE, THE NEW BARRIER WALL DOESN'T HAVE A CRASH CUSHION ON IT, IT'S GOING TO HAVE A GUARD RAIL TRANSITION, AND THAT GUARD RAIL TRANSITION IS GOING TO COME OFF THE BRIDGE, AND IT'S GOING TO WRAP AROUND THE SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT DRIVEWAY.
ONE PROTECT THE BLUNT IN, AND TWO PROTECT PEOPLE FROM DRIVING INTO THE CANAL.
ONCE THAT'S IN, I CAN PULL THAT WALL, AND THAT FOURTH LANE IS OPEN ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
>> THAT'S NOT A VERY SOPHISTICATED PART OF THE PROJECT.
I IMAGINE THAT COULD GET DONE FAIRLY QUICKLY.
>> ALL PARTS OF THE PROJECT VERY SOPHISTICATED, BUT WE CAN TRY AND SPEED THAT UP AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT OPENING THAT UP SOONER THAN JANUARY 2025.
THESE ARE THE DATES THAT WE FEEL COMFORTABLE ADVERTISING TO YOU BECAUSE THESE ARE THE DATES THAT WE FEEL THAT WE CAN HIT.
I DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU AN UNREALISTIC DATE.
I DON'T WANT TO COME IN HERE AND TELL YOU EVERYTHING'S GOING TO BE DONE TOMORROW AND THEN IT'S NOT.
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT, I'M TRYING TO FIND OPTIONS WE COULD SPEED THIS UP.
>> WE WILL. WE'LL BE IN CONTACT WITH THE MAYOR, ALSO WITH OUR COUNTERPART THAT COMES TO OUR MEETINGS, THOMAS, AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO SPEED THIS UP, WE WILL.
>> BECAUSE I WOULD IMAGINE THAT BECAUSE OF THE ROUTE 1 DRAWBRIDGE DETOUR, A LOT OF PEOPLE CHANGED THEIR DRIVING HABITS AND PROBABLY WENT AROUND 95 CAME IN TOWN IN THE OTHER DIRECTION.
WHO KNOWS HOW PEOPLE CHANGE THEIR HABITS?
>> THERE'S PROBABLY AN EXTRA PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE COMING IN FROM THE WEST INTO TOWN, ALL THESE SNOWBIRDS COME BACK SEASONS HERE, IT'S GOING TO BE A BUSY SEASON IN FLORIDA.
IT'S JUST IMPERATIVE THAT WE WRAP THIS UP, AT LEAST ON THAT SECTION.
>> UNDERSTOOD. WE AGREE WITH THAT, WE WANT TO WRAP IT UP AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, THE DATES THAT WE'RE GIVING YOU HERE ARE THE DATES THAT WE KNOW THAT WE CAN HIT.
>> YES. MR. ANDERSON, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING IN.
>> I NOTICED THERE'S NO PE AFTER YOUR NAME, WAS THAT AN OVERSIGHT?
>> YOU ARE A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER.
THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO THIS, AND I APPRECIATE AND UNDERSTAND THAT.
AS THIS WAS INITIALLY BEING ROLLED OUT, I WAS VERY SKEPTICAL OF A TRAFFIC LIGHT ADDITION ALLEVIATING TRAFFIC PROBLEMS. CLEARLY ADDING LANES WILL HELP.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO OUR CITIZENS HOW PUTTING A LIGHT THERE WOULD HELP THE SITUATION? BECAUSE THAT'S COUNTER-INTUITIVE.
>> I DEAL WITH THE CONSTRUCTION PART OF THE CONTRACT.
JEFF IS MY COUNTERPART, HE'S THE DESIGN PROJECT MANAGER WITH FDOT, SO I'LL LET HIM ANSWER THAT TO THE DESIGN PHASE.
>> THE MAIN PRIORITY OF THIS PROJECT IS TO REGULATE THE OFF RAMP FROM 95 TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT TRAFFIC DOES NOT BACK UP ONTO THE MAIN LINE.
THAT IS THE PRIMARY OBJECTIVE OF THE PROJECT.
WE DID ANALYSIS AND FIGURED OUT THAT THE BOTTLENECK SIGNAL AT ISLAND WAY, AND THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT WAS TO PUT ANOTHER SIGNAL AT INDIAN TOWN AT THE OFF RAMP TO METER THE TRAFFIC COMING FROM THE EAST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE OFF RAMP HAD CAPACITY AND TIME TO GET OFF AND NOT BACK UP ONTO 95.
>> THAT WAS NORTHBOUND TRAFFIC.
YOU'RE WORRIED THAT NORTHBOUND TRAFFIC WOULD BACK UP ON THAT SWEEPING LONG RAMP.
>> THE INTENT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE QUEUE DOES NOT BACK UP ONTO THE MAIN LINE.
>> HAD THAT BEEN WITNESSED? DO YOU LIVE HERE?
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>> I LIVE IN WELLINGTON, A LITTLE BIT FURTHER SOUTH.
>> I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT HAPPEN.
I THINK YOU GUYS WERE FIXING A PROBLEM THAT REALLY WASN'T THERE.
IN DOING SO, I'M WORRIED THAT YOU'VE MADE THIS MUCH, MUCH WORSE BY PUTTING A TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE.
I'VE NOT SEEN TRAFFIC BACK UP ONTO THE INTERSTATE, THAT'S NOT BEEN A REAL PROBLEM.
>> WE'VE DONE A LOT OF TRAFFIC STUDIES, AND IT PROJECTS BASED ON INCREASE IN TRAFFIC, BASED ON POPULATION GROWTH AND OTHER THINGS.
FOR THE DESIGN YEAR, WHICH WAS, I THINK, AT THE TIME, 2030, THAT BACKUP WAS PROJECTED, AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO PROTECT AGAINST.
>> I'M SURPRISED BY THAT BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL AGREE WE'RE A FAIRLY WELL BUILT OUT CITY.
I'M SURPRISED YOU'RE SEEING A VERY LARGE TRAFFIC PROJECTION.
THE TRAFFIC LIGHT WAS NOT ADDED TO ALLEVIATE REALLY SO MUCH THE EASTBOUND TRAFFIC.
YOU'RE SAYING IT WAS INSTALLED TO ALLEVIATE A POTENTIAL FUTURE BACKUP ON THE INTERSTATE.
>> DID I GET THAT RIGHT? I THINK IT'S A HORRIBLE MISTAKE.
I THINK THE TRAFFIC LIGHT ADDITION IS GOING TO CREATE A NIGHTMARE OUT THERE THAT'S GOING TO LIVE WITH US FOREVER NOW.
>> WHEN WE DID THE STUDY, WE DID IDENTIFY THAT IT DID CREATE AN IMPACT, AND THAT'S WHY WE MITIGATED BY ADDING THE ADDITIONAL LANES IN THE EASTBOUND DIRECTION, SO INSTEAD OF TWO LANES, YOU NOW HAVE FOUR LANES ALL THE WAY TO CENTRAL.
>> SEEMS LIKE WHAT YOU'RE DOING, WHAT I'D HEARD BEFORE, IS PEOPLE GETTING OFF THE NORTHBOUND RAMP TO GO EASTBOUND.
WE'RE THEN HAVING TO SWITCH LANES ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE NORTH, TURN ONTO HIGHLAND WAY.
>> WHICH I BELIEVE IS A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE TRAFFIC.
IF YOU JUST TRAVEL THROUGH THERE LIKE ALL OF US DO EVERY DAY, YOU DON'T SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE PEELING OFF.
YOU SEE SOME, BUT I WOULDN'T CONSIDER A BULK OF THE TRAFFIC THAT'S TRAVELING THROUGH THERE.
I THINK THAT EXIT RAMP WORKED PERFECTLY AS IT WAS BEFORE, IT WAS A GREAT DESIGN, AND I HAVE A REAL PROBLEM WITH THIS INTUITIVELY AND IN PRACTICE NOW IT SEEMS. DO YOU THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET BACK TO NORMAL FAIRLY QUICKLY WITH THESE ADDITIONAL LANES?
>> I THINK WITH THE ADDITIONAL LANES, ONCE THE PROJECT IS COMPLETE, IT WILL BE A BETTER CONDITION THAN IT WAS BEFORE.
>> WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN LEAVING THE EXISTING RAMP AND ADDING THE LIGHT? IT USED TO BE 65 MILE PER HOUR EXIT.
FOR EVERYBODY WHO DOESN'T KNOW, SUPER ELEVATION IS THE BANKING OF A ROADWAY, SO YOU CAN TAKE IT AT A HIGHER SPEED AND KEEP YOU FROM FLYING OFF, LIKE A NASCAR, SEBRING, WHERE THE ROADWAY'S BANKED.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THIS ONE FOOT LIP THERE, IS BECAUSE THAT RAMP WAS BUILT TO TAKE IT AT A FAIRLY HIGH SPEED, AND TRAFFIC WAS MOVING OFF THE INTERSTATE QUICKLY.
IT'S INEVITABLE, IT'S GOING TO BACK UP.
BUT IT'S ALSO IMMEDIATELY AFFECTING EASTBOUND TRAFFIC.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GOT INTO THIS WITHOUT A LITTLE BIT MORE THINKING ABOUT POSSIBLY LEAVING THE EXISTING RAMP.
I KNOW YOU'VE GOT SUPER ELEVATION THAT YOU WOULD HAVE HAD TO TAPER DOWN.
YOU'D HAVE TO SOMEHOW CLEAN THAT UP SO THEY'D MERGE IN THERE.
IT SEEMS VERY COUNTER-INTUITIVE TO REMOVE THAT LONG SWEEPING LANE, AND THEN GO TO A SIGNALIZATION PLAN.
IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THAT REALLY IS THE SMART WAY TO APPROACH THIS.
THE STUDIES YOU'RE SHOWING ARE PROJECTION STUDIES, NOT STUDIES THAT WOULD SHOW CURRENT SITUATIONS.
>> THE STUDY WAS CONDUCTED BASED ON TRAFFIC.
WE ACTUALLY WENT OUT AND DID TRAFFIC COUNTS FOR THE ENTIRE AREA.
THE STUDY WAS BASED ON THAT DATA.
>> I'M SURE YOU CAN'T REMEMBER THIS, BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE PERCENTAGE OF TRAFFIC THAT WAS PEELING OFF TO GO NORTH ON ISLAND WAY WAS?
>> WE'RE CHANGING ALL THIS AROUND FOR THAT SMALL AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, AND I THINK THAT WAS A MISTAKE.
I DON'T SEE HOW WE GET OUT OF THIS NOW.
THE DOT PROJECT, IT'S NOT A JUPITER PROJECT, WE CAN'T CONTROL THIS.
BUT OUR CITIZENS ARE RIGHTFULLY SO VERY IRATE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON.
IT HAS NOT HELPED US IN THE SHORT-TERM.
I GET IT THAT YOU'RE NOT FULLY THERE YET, SO ONLY TIME WILL TELL.
BUT I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE NO CHOICE NOW, WE'RE GOING TO BE STUCK WITH WHATEVER WE HAVE.
I JUST DON'T FEEL GOOD ABOUT THIS, IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT'S THE RIGHT APPROACH.
>> I WILL SAY THAT WE COORDINATED WITH THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY.
>> I ATTENDED SEVERAL OF THE MEETINGS AND I EXPRESSED THESE CONCERNS ALL THE WAY ALONG THE WAY,
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SO I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING YOU COORDINATED WITH US, BUT WE REALLY HAVE NO SAY IN IT.THESE ARE DOT PROJECTS, THESE ARE NOT WITHIN OUR REALM TO CHANGE ANYTHING.
DESPITE OUR PROTESTING, IT HAPPENED ANYWAY.
I APPRECIATE IT AND A LOT OF GOOD THINGS HAVE HAPPENED WITH THE COORDINATION.
IT NEEDED TO BE WIDENED, WE NEEDED SIDEWALKS THERE, THE BRIDGE NEEDED TO BE WIDENED, SO LOTS OF GOOD HAS COME OUT OF IT.
IT'S CERTAINLY GOOD THAT IT'S DONE ALL THE WAY UP TO CENTRAL.
THAT'S A REALLY GOOD COORDINATION THAT PULLED THAT OFF WHERE WE'RE GOING TO, I THINK, EVENTUALLY GET SOME MONEY FROM THE STATE TO HELP FUND THAT PROJECT TO CENTRAL.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, I JUST HAVE GRAVE CONCERN ABOUT THIS IN THE LONG-TERM, IT JUST DOESN'T FEEL GOOD.
AGAIN, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO GET OUT OF IT NOW, I THINK WE'RE STUCK WITH IT.
HOPEFULLY, AGAIN, TRY YOUR VERY BEST TO EXPEDITE THIS AS MUCH AS YOU CAN.
WE ARE RIGHT NOW COMING INTO WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A FULL CRUNCH OF PEOPLE COMING HERE.
ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE, WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP YOU DO IT? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT THE TOWN CAN DO TO HELP EXPEDITE THIS?
>> JEFF'S ONLY IN DESIGN, SO I KNOW THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE.
WE'RE WORKING AS FAST AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, TRY AND EXPEDITE THIS.
THE DATES THAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE ARE THE DATES THAT WE KNOW WE CAN HIT.
BUT WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND WORK ON THAT JANUARY 2025 DATE, AND WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND WORK ON GETTING THAT FIBER BACKBONE INSTALLED SOONER THAN THE DATES THAT ARE HERE, BUT THE DATES THAT WE'RE ADVERTISING ARE THE DATES THAT WE KNOW WE CAN HIT.
>> ALL MATERIALS HAVE BEEN PURCHASED I'M ASSUMING AT THIS LATE STAGE.
>> ALL SHOP DRAWINGS ARE APPROVED, MATERIAL'S BEEN PURCHASED, FABRICATED.
IT'S EITHER ON SITE, OR IT'S NEARBY AT ONE OF OUR CONTRACTOR'S WAREHOUSES.
BUT YES, EVERYTHING'S BEEN PURCHASED, EVERYTHING'S DONE.
>> PLEASE LET US KNOW IF THERE'S SOMETHING THE TOWN CAN DO, WE'LL HELP YOU IN ANY WAY WE CAN.
>> JUST CONTINUE WITH THE PUBLIC OUTREACH, WE APPRECIATE THAT.
WE TRY AND GIVE YOU GUYS ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE, AND THEN YOU GUYS PUSH IT OUT, SO WE DO APPRECIATE YOUR HELP WITH PUSHING OUR INFORMATION TO THE TOWN, TO ANYBODY WHO FOLLOWS THE TOWN AS WELL.
>> I HAD ONE MORE QUESTION. WHAT TIME OF YEAR DID YOU DO YOUR TRAFFIC STUDY? FEBRUARY? OKAY.
I HAVE NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
I THINK MANY OF THEM WERE ASKED BY COUNCIL FOR.
I DO WANT TO THANK YOU THOUGH FOR COMING TONIGHT TO SPEAK TO OUR RESIDENTS AND FOR ALL THOSE WATCHING.
I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF FOCUS ON THIS PROJECT, A LOT OF CURIOSITY.
WITH WHAT'S IN PEOPLE'S MINDS AND WHAT THEY'RE SEEING ON THE ROAD, WHICH HAS BEEN VERY DIFFICULT, ESPECIALLY WITH 95 AND THE RISK OF ACCIDENTS.
I EXPERIENCED THAT ONE MORNING, BUT TO REPLACE THAT WITH THE DATA TO KNOW THAT IT'S A TEMPORARY CONDITION IS HELPFUL.
I'M OPTIMISTIC THAT THINGS WILL IMPROVE.
BUT LIKE COUNSELOR FORCE SAID, ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO EXPEDITE THIS, ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO EXPEDITE THIS, I HOPE YOU WILL.
>> MY FIRST QUESTION IS PRIOR TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE LIGHT AND THE REMOVAL OF THIS OFF RAMP, 95, WE USED TO HAVE TWO LANES WOULD EXIT?
>> ONTO INDIAN TOWN ROAD, COMING FROM 95.
ARE WE GOING BACK TO TWO LANES EXITING FROM 95?
>> YES. SUNDAY NIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING ON THAT.
MONDAY MORNING, IT SHOULD BE LIKE THAT.
ONE LANE WILL BE DEDICATED OFF.
THE SECOND LANE WILL BE YOU CAN MAKE YOUR DECISION.
IF YOU WANT TO GO, YOU CAN GO INDIAN TOWN ROAD, IF NOT, YOU CAN CONTINUE NORTHBOUND.
>> I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE WILL PROBABLY WHEN THEY SPEAK, IF THEY WANT TO GIVE CITIZEN COMMENTS LATER, THEY'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF ACCIDENTS WE'VE SEEN IN THE LAST FEW DAYS ON 95.
I PERSONALLY HAVE RUN MORE ACCIDENTS ON 95 IN THE LAST TWO SHIFTS THAN I HAVE IN THE LAST MONTH AND A HALF BECAUSE OF THIS THE ONE LANE, ONLY ONE LANE BEING DEDICATED TO EXIT.
>> THE ONE LANE THAT'S COMING OFF THE RAMP RIGHT NOW HAS BEEN IN THAT CONFIGURATION SINCE FEBRUARY OF 2024.
>> BUT THERE WAS NO LIGHT BACK IN TRAFFIC ON 95.
I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT WE DID TAKE IT DOWN TO ONE LANE IN FEBRUARY AND WE SHOULD BE OPENING IT UP ON MONDAY MORNING.
>> ONCE THE LIGHT ACTIVATED, OBVIOUSLY, TRAFFIC STARTED BACK IN THE 95, WE ARE HAVING MAJOR ISSUES, CARS WERE FLYING BY THESE CARS THAT WERE STOPPED GOING 70 MILES AN HOUR, PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO JUMP OUT.
WHATEVER IT MAY BE HOLDING UP TRAFFIC, AND JUST YESTERDAY, I HAD TWO ACCIDENTS IN THE SAME EXACT SPOT WITHIN THREE HOURS OF EACH OTHER.
THE SOONER YOU GUYS CAN GET THE TWO LANES COMING OFF THE BETTER, I APPRECIATE YOU GIVEN THE UPDATE AND SAYING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO EXPEDITE AND TRY TO GET IT DONE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
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I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE EASTBOUND TRAFFIC STILL EVEN WITH THIS LANE.I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL BUFFER ZONE THAT YOU CAN ADD TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF EASTBOUND.
OR EMERGENCY VEHICLES, AND I'LL JUST GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE AS TO WHY BECAUSE I WAS TRAVELING FROM JUPITER FARMS, TRYING TO GET TO THE HOSPITAL WITH A PATIENT, AND THE TRAFFIC WAS BACKED UP SO BAD.
WE ENDED UP DELIVERING A BABY IN THE BACK OF THE TRUCK BECAUSE WE COULDN'T GET TO THE HOSPITAL AT THE TIME.
JUST BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC SO IT'S VERY CONCERNING, AND I KNOW A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE COMING FROM JUPITER FARMS THAT WORK IN THE TOWN ARE GETTING BACKED UP THE FIRST DAY WE ARE BACKED UP ALL THE WAY TO PUBLICS OUT IN THE FARMS.
>> THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL BUFFER ZONE THAT CAN BE ADDED IN ANY WAYS FOR EITHER POLICE OR FIRE TO GET GOING EASTBOUND TO GET AROUND TRAFFIC THAT MAY BE BACKED UP AT THE LIGHT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE FACTORED IN AT THIS POINT.
>> IT'S CURRENTLY NOT IN OUR DESIGN OR OUR CONSTRUCTION PLANS TO BUILD ANYTHING WEST OF THE 95 RAMPS RIGHT NOW.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT'S NOT PART OF THE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT, SO THAT WOULD BE A SCOPE INCREASE.
THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME FROM THE DOT AND THEN WE HAVE TO DESIGN IT.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S PART OF THIS PROJECT.
THE CHOKE POINT RIGHT NOW IS 95.
ONCE WE GET PAST 95, THAT'S WHY WE OPEN FOUR LANES THERE BECAUSE WE HAVE THE AREA.
ONCE YOU'RE UNDERNEATH 95 AND OVER THE TURNPIKE, WE DON'T HAVE THE AREA RIGHT THERE RIGHT NOW FOR US TO BUILD ANYTHING IN ADDITION TO WHAT IS ALREADY PROPOSED TO BE BUILT.
WHAT WE'RE SHOWING YOU RIGHT NOW IS THE ONLY THING THAT I'M AUTHORIZED TO BUILD AT THIS TIME.
>> IF IT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN LOOK INTO, AND I APPRECIATE IT BECAUSE IF WE HAVE AN ACCIDENT ON 95 AND TRAFFIC'S BACK THAT WE HAVE EMERGENCY LANES THAT WE CAN TRAVEL ON TO GET AROUND THE BACKED UP TRAFFIC, PARTICULARLY IF YOU HAVE A TRAFFIC LIGHT LIKE THIS AND TRAFFIC HAS STOPPED AND IT'S BACKED UP ALL THE WAY UP UNDER 95, EMERGENCY VEHICLES AREN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO TRAVEL EASTBOUND.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE STUCK IN THAT TRAFFIC.
I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO ADD TRAFFIC PREEMPTION.
HOPEFULLY, IT'LL BE ADDED TO THIS LIGHT AS WELL.
BUT ANYTIME THERE'S AN EMERGENCY AREA, A BUFFER ZONE, NEAR A TRAFFIC LIGHT, IT SIGNIFICANTLY HELPS OUR RESPONSES, ESPECIALLY IN THIS AREA, IF WE'RE TRYING TO GET FROM OUR RESIDENTS THAT ARE WEST OF 95 IF WE'RE TRYING TO GET THEM TO THE HOSPITAL IN AN EXPEDITED MANNER, IT WOULD, GREATLY HELP THAT WE'RE NOT SITTING BACKED UP IN TRAFFIC.
>> I CAN TALK WITH MY SUPERVISORS AND SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO, BUT LIKE I SAID, I DON'T WANT TO PROMISE ANYTHING THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
THE ONLY THING THAT I'M AUTHORIZED TO BUILD IS WHAT WE'RE SHOWING YOU RIGHT NOW, BUT WE CAN DISCUSS THAT WITH THE DOT.
THE MAYOR CAN DISCUSS WITH US AS WELL, AND WE'RE AUTHORIZED TO DO MORE WORK, WE CAN DO MORE WORK, BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THIS IS THE ONLY SCOPE OF PROJECT THAT I'M ALLOWED TO DO.
>> AGAIN, ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR COMING HERE TONIGHT.
I REALIZED THAT THINGS HAVE BEEN EXPEDITED SINCE THE 14TH.
I KNOW THEY WERE OUT FURTHER, SO I KNOW THAT FDOT IS DOING THE BEST THAT IT CAN UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES?
>> NO ONE CAN CHANGE HISTORY NOW, BUT OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE GOING TO BE IN A MUCH BETTER SITUATION A WEEK LATER FOR WHEN IT OPENED HAVING A THIRD RIGHT TURN LANE OFF OF 95 THAT GETS CLEARS THAT OUT AND THEN A THIRD RIGHT TURN NORTH EASTBOUND LANE AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE COMING FROM THE WEST.
THEN IF YOU CAN GET THE FIBER CABLE IN AND I APPRECIATE THE WORK AROUNDS DOING EVERYTHING MANUALLY, BUT THAT'S THE BEST OF ALL SCENARIOS IS THAT COUNTY TRAFFIC CENTER CAN ADJUST ON THE FLY.
I'VE SEEN THEM IN ACTION DOING THAT, FURTHER EAST.
THANK YOU AND IF YOU COULD GET BACK WITH US ON THE FIBER CABLE.
>> I COULD BE CONTACT WITH THOMAS.
>> WE'LL LET HIM KNOW, WE'LL KEEP HIM IN THE LOOP AND WE TALK ALMOST ON A DAILY BASIS.
HE'LL BE AWARE, AND I'M SURE HE'LL BE ASKING ME AND THEN WE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH THE CONTRACTOR AND TRY AND GET BACK TO AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
>> THANK YOU. NOW I WANT TO PUT YOU ON A SPOT WHICH I'VE NEVER DONE ANYBODY BEFORE.
BUT THERE'S A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT CAME HERE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS AND WHERE WE CONDUCTED IT IS YOU GAVE A PRESENTATION, YOU ANSWERED AND ADDRESSED EVERY QUESTIONS THAT WE PUT OUT THERE.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, IF THERE'S ANY AND HOPEFULLY, RESIDENTS QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED FROM HEARING THIS.
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BUT IF YOU DON'T MIND STANDING AROUND FOR AN EXTRA 10 MINUTES OR SO IN OUTSIDE OF THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS.>> I'LL BE HERE TO ANSWER CONSTRUCTION QUESTIONS.
>> JEFF WILL BE HERE TO ANSWER.
>> OUTSIDE OF THE COUNCIL CHAMBER.
I JUST OFFERED THAT TO RESIDENTS THAT THOUGHT THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE COVERED UNDER CITIZEN COMMENTS BECAUSE THE TOWN DOES NOT HAVE ANY JURISDICTION OVER THIS.
YOU JUST HEARD EVERYTHING THAT FDOT HAS DONE AND IS PLANNING TO DO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> NOW WE'RE GOING TO BE MOVING ON TO CITIZEN COMMENTS.
[CITIZEN COMMENTS]
THIS IS A PORTION OF THE AGENDA FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ANY NON AGENDA ITEMS AND IS LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER.ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME IS ASKED TO GO TO THE PODIUM AND STATE HIS OR HER NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PRIOR TO ADDRESSING THE TOWN COUNCIL.
IT'S OUR POLICY TO PLACE CITIZEN COMMENTS ON THE FRONT OF THE AGENDA.
BEFORE WE MOVE AHEAD WITH THE SCHEDULE AGENDA ITEM, THIS WAY, RESIDENTS DON'T HAVE TO STAY FOR A LONG READING.
THEN WE TAKE FOLLOW UP ACTIONS AT A LATER TIME.
WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN UP TO THE CITIZEN COMMENTS.
>> FIRST, WE HAVE JOAN DALEY, AND THEN SUSAN THOMAS.
>> THANK YOU TO THE CLERK, AND TO OUR COUNCILMAN AND MR. MAYOR.
I'VE BEEN HERE SEVERAL TIMES BEFORE MY PROFESSIONAL CAREER, BUT NOW I'M RETIRED, AND I'M A VOLUNTEER AT JUPITER MEDICAL CENTER.
THREE OR THREE DAYS A WEEK, I LEAVE JUPITER COUNTRY CLUB OUT WEST, AND I REPORT TO THE HOSPITAL.
I'M NOT PAID. I DO A LOT OF WORK.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT RIGHT NOW, I CAN'T GET THERE.
I TRY TO PULL OUT OF JUPITER COUNTRY CLUB, AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE HERE WILL TELL YOU.
I'M NOT ONLY BACKED UP IN THE QUEUE TO GET OUT OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
I CAN'T EVEN GET ONTO INDIAN TOWN ROAD.
PEOPLE COMING FROM SONATA ACROSS THE STREET, THEY BLOCK THE INTERSECT.
PEOPLE MOVING AHEAD ARE BLOCKED BY THE PEOPLE COMING OFF THE TURNPIKE.
I WOULD LIKE FOR THE GENTLEMAN WHO SAYS HE'S OUT THERE QUEUING.
COME STAND ON MY CORNER FOR 10 MINUTES BETWEEN 7:30 AND 9:30 AM AND SEE WHAT IT'S LIKE.
I FINALLY, AFTER 10 MINUTES, WILL GET ON I 95, I WILL GO DOWN TO DONALD ROSS ROAD AND COME UP MILITARY TRAIL AND GET TO JUPITER HOSPITAL.
A YEAR AGO, MY HUSBAND COLLAPSED IN THE SHOWER.
WITHIN EIGHT MINUTES AMBACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE WAS THERE, BUT THEY CAME FROM WEST ON INDIAN TOWN ROAD.
PAST PUBLIX. HOW LONG IS IT GOING TO TAKE FOR THEM TO GET THERE NOW, JUST TO MY HOUSE, AND THEN PUT HIM ON A STRETCHER, AND THEN TRY TO GET OUT OF MY DEVELOPMENT.
WELL, MAYBE THEY CAN GET ON I 95 IN ABOUT 10 MINUTES AFTER THAT AND 20 MINUTES LATER, YOU MAKE IT TO JUPITER MEDICAL CENTER.
IT IS A SAFETY ISSUE AS OPPOSED TO BEING PHYSICALLY AND EMOTIONALLY INVOLVED AND BUYING A HOME WHERE I'M NOW I CAN'T EVEN GO OUT TO DINNER.
HEAD WEST, FIVE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
I WANT TO GO TO JETTY. DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG IT TAKES ME TO GET THERE? GOING THROUGH THAT LIGHT TAKES ME 10 OR 15 MINUTES.
IT'S JUST A SHAME. IT'S A LIFESTYLE.
BUT I THINK THAT THERE'S MORE THAT THESE PEOPLE COULD DO OUT THERE.
I THINK THEY COULD COME OUT AND BE MORE PROACTIVE.
I THINK SOMETIMES MAYBE I COULD BEG MY SON'S A POLICEMAN, SO I HAVE TO BEG.
ONE OF OUR OFFICERS, MAYBE TO COME OUT ONE MORNING AND JUST KEEP PEOPLE FROM BLOCKING THE INTERSECTION.
THEY JUST COME ACROSS. THEY JUST SIT THERE. I CAN'T TURN OUT.
MY LIGHTS GREEN, BUT I CAN'T GO BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GO.
THEY'VE BLOCKED THE INTERCEPT.
JUST WE'RE LOCKED. I COULD EITHER GET UP AT 6:30 IN THE MORNING.
I COULD VOLUNTEER LATER, I GUESS, BUT I'M STILL CONCERNED ABOUT THE EMERGENCIES BECAUSE THERE'S NOWHERE TO GO.
THERE'S NOWHERE FOR THAT AMBULANCE TO TURN, AND THERE'S NO WAY FOR US TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM UNLESS THEY GET THESE LIGHTS FUNCTIONING REALLY WELL, REALLY QUICKLY. THANK YOU.
>> GOOD EVENING. GREETINGS TO THE MAYOR AND THE TOWN COUNCIL.
APPRECIATE YOU DOING YOUR JOBS HERE FOR US.
I HAVE LIVED IN JUPITER FOR 30 YEARS, THE TRANSPLANT FROM KANSAS CITY.
I'VE ALWAYS BEEN AN ANIMAL ADVOCATE.
I NOTICED THE COMPASSION OF JUPITER WITH THE JUPITER BEACH FOR THE DOGS AND SO FORTH,
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EVEN IF AN ANIMAL GETS LOST ON NEXT DOOR, THE COMMUNITY JUST LIGHTS UP AND WORKS TOGETHER TO FIND THE MISSING PET AND SO FORTH.I WANT TO THANK THE TOWN OF JUPITER FOR ON THE VETERANS DAY AT THE MEMORIAL.
IT WAS HIGHLY IMPACTFUL FOR MY HUSBAND AND WHEN I WAS THERE, I SAID TO MYSELF, PERHAPS WE CAN GET SOMETHING THAT CAN ALSO BE A POSITIVE INFLUENCE INTO THE COMMUNITY.
I PROVIDED A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION THAT I HAD GIVEN TO COPIES TO EACH OF YOU.
I PROPOSE A FABRICATION OF A BRIDGE WHICH WILL NOT INTERFERE WITH TRAFFIC.
THAT IS OF COURSE, IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A RAINBOW BRIDGE.
AT CINQUEZ PARK. I'M PASSIONATE, NOT ONLY ABOUT THE PHYSICAL, BUT THE MENTAL HEALTH AND WELL BEING OF OUR COMMUNITY, AND I BELIEVE THAT THIS WILL BE A TREMENDOUS COMMUNITY OUTREACH, WHICH MAY ALSO SOFTEN THE OPINIONS OF THE COMMUNITY RELATIVE TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BEING BUILT IN THAT GENERAL AREA AS WELL.
I GOT THE IDEA FROM NORTH CAROLINA.
THEY HAD A RAINBOW BRIDGE THERE THAT WAS VERY POSITIVE.
THEY LOST THE BRIDGE IN THE HURRICANE HALEN STORM.
BUT YOU'LL SEE PICTURES OF THE COLLARS AND THE TAGS AND SO ON.
IT HAD PROVIDED GREAT SOLACE TO THAT COMMUNITY.
I THINK THAT WE COULD BENEFIT FROM THAT AS WELL.
I ALSO PROVIDED SOME PREFAB BRIDGES THAT CAN BE AVAILABLE ONLINE.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE CUSTOM MADE.
OBVIOUSLY, IT'S NOT ACTUALLY CROSSING OVER A BODY OF WATER.
I ALSO PROVIDED SOME PICTURES OF THE CINQUEZ PARK, WHICH IS BY THE LAKE PORTION, NOT UNDERNEATH THE BANYAN TREE, BUT RATHER ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE LAKE WHERE THERE IS ALREADY A MEMORIAL STONE.
I WAS JUST OFFERING THIS AS A SUGGESTION, AND I ALSO SENT THE POWERPOINT TO MS. CHRISTIAN GEORGE OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT FOR CONSIDERATION.
I'M WAYNE POSNER 315 CARINA DRIVE, JUPITER, FLORIDA, ALSO A RESIDENT OF JUPITER COUNTRY CLUB.
I THINK THIS PERSON HAD A GREAT IDEA FOR A TEMPORARY FIX.
IF WE HAVE AN OFFICER AT THAT CORNER WHERE SONOMA AND JUPITER COUNTRY CLUB COME TOGETHER, IT BACKS UP ALL THE WAY TO PUBLICS, AND PEOPLE GET TENSE.
IF THERE'S AN OFFICER THERE THAT CAN JUST GET THE TRAFFIC TO FLOW AND ONE CAR AFTER ANOTHER GO THROUGH WOULD BE A GREAT HELP, AND IT WOULD ONLY BE TEMPORARY AS WE HEARD THEY'RE GOING TO BE OPENING UP SOME LANES AND THE LIGHTS.
I HOPE THE ENDS JUSTIFY THE MEANS.
MAYBE THE MEANS SHOULD HAVE BEEN CHECKED A LITTLE CLOSER, AND NO OFFENSE AGAINST ANDY 4, WHO I REALLY LIKE, I POINTED TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING WHEN I WAS ONE, COUNSEL.
MAYBE WE JUST HAVE TO TAKE THE PAIN LIKE YOU GO TO A DOCTOR AND GET A NEEDLE, AND THEN NEXT THING YOU KNOW, YOU'RE BETTER.
FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF A BUILDER, YOU WILL NOW HAVE FOUR LANES TO STACK CARS.
WHERE WE ONLY HAD TWO LANES BEFORE.
THE STACKING OF THE CARS MAY ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC ON 95.
I'M HOPING THAT'S THE WAY IT'S GOING TO WORK.
IF IT'S TIME PROPERLY, IT WILL CONTINUE TO MOVE THE TRAFFIC IN A MORE ORGANIZED FASHION SO PEOPLE DON'T TRY TO SQUEEZE IN THE LANES BETWEEN EACH OTHER, MAYBE SOME LESS ACCIDENTS.
I'M HOPING. IT'S A WAIT AND SEE, IT'S LIKE WHAT WE DID WITH THE BRIDGE WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL.
I'M SURE IN A MONTH FROM NOW WHEN THEY START OPENING THAT BRIDGE, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE PRETTY HAPPY. A LITTLE PATIENCE.
I KNOW IT'S TOUGH AND SOME PEOPLE UNFORTUNATELY MAY HAVE GOTTEN INJURED AND THANK YOU, AGAIN FOR DOING WHAT YOU DO.
SORRY TO SEE ANDY NOT CONTINUING HIS JOB.
I'M GLAD YOU'RE HERE AND FOR THE REST, I REALLY SUPPORT THE NEW FIRE RESCUE FOR THE TOWN OF JUPITER, I WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT I BELIEVE I'M ON THE COMMITTEE THAT HEARS ALL THE NEW THINGS THAT THEY'RE DOING.
VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT COMING THROUGH FOR US, AND I HOPE WE CONTINUE TO DO THAT THROUGH THE ELECTION AND CONTINUE TO GET THE FIRE RESCUE DONE.
>> I'D ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ROADS,
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I'M STILL A PROPONENT OF FIXING THE TOWN ROADS THAT OUR CITIZENS PAY TAXES FOR THEIR WHOLE LIVES AND WE NEED TO GET A PROGRAM TOGETHER.I KNOW THE EXCUSE WAS, IF WE LET FIX ONE PERSON'S ROAD, EVERYBODY'S GOING TO COME INTO THE TOWN AND GET THE ROAD FIXED, THINK IF WE HAVE A PROGRAM WHERE IT'S STEPPED AS PEOPLE COME IN, THEY GET IN LINE, WE FIX THEIR ROADS.
I KNOW WE GIVE MONEY TO IMPROVEMENTS FOR LANDSCAPE AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR HOA, SO I HOPE THE COUNCIL SLIDES TO LOOK FORWARD DOWN THE ROAD AND START FIXING PEOPLE'S ROADS. THANK YOU.
>> NEXT, WE HAVE LAURIE BAILEY.
>> GOOD EVENING. I'M LAURIE BAILEY, I LIVE AT 504 NORTH LOXAHATCHIE DRIVE IN JUPITER.
I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF ISSUES.
ONE OF THEM MAY NOT BE SOMETHING TO ASK YOU GUYS, BUT FORGIVE ME IF IT'S THE WRONG THING TO DO.
A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, I HAD GOTTEN IN CONTACT WITH, I BELIEVE HER NAME IS KATHERINE OR KATHLEEN MARASCO.
I THINK IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, SHE HAS LEFT EMPLOYMENT OF THE TOWN.
BUT IT WAS ABOUT THE BENCH FOR THE BUS STOP NEXT TO WENDY'S WHICH WAS APPARENTLY DAMAGED YEARS AGO AND ABOUT HALF OF THE BENCH WAS GONE AND THE OVERHEAD PROTECTION AND THE FRONT PROTECTION.
I BROUGHT THAT TO HER ATTENTION PROBABLY A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO THAT MAYBE IT SHOULD BE IMPROVED BECAUSE PEOPLE THAT ARE RIDING THE BUS ARE OFTEN ELDERLY AND OR DISABLED, CAN'T DRIVE, WHATEVER AND SHE TOLD ME THAT LAST TIME I MET WITH HER THAT THERE WAS FUNDING AVAILABLE THIS YEAR TO IMPROVE THAT BENCH, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING.
I WONDER IF SOMEONE CAN LOOK INTO THAT PERHAPS AND LET ME KNOW IF THAT'S GOING TO BE IMPROVED.
THAT WAS THE NUMBER ONE THING.
THE OTHER THING IS, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S RELEVANT TO YOU GUYS, BUT WITH ALL THE CONSTRUCTION HERE AND THERE'S A UTILITY PAYMENT FOR THE WATER PAYMENT FOR YOUR WATER BILL AND I BROUGHT THAT TO THEIR ATTENTION ONCE BEFORE.
IT'S ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE STREET, IF YOU'RE DRIVING THE DROPBOX TO PAY YOUR WATER BILL.
UNLESS YOU HAVE A PASSENGER IN THE VEHICLE, YOU CAN'T REACH OUT AND PUT THE PAYMENT IN THERE.
YOU HAVE TO STOP YOUR CAR, PUT IT IN NEUTRAL, GET OUT, WALK AROUND AND PUT THE PAYMENT IN THERE.
I'VE ASKED WHY THEY PUT IT ON THE RIGHT SIDE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN ON THE LEFT SIDE FOR PEOPLE IN THE PAST.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S PERMANENT OR WHAT. THANK YOU.
>> HI, I'M JENNIFER REALTZ. I LIVE AT 12906 SANDY RUN IN JUPITER FARMS. I'M ONE OF THE THOUSANDS OF JUPITER FARMERS, WHO'S NOW STUCK IN TRAFFIC EVERY DAY.
IT'S USUALLY BACKED UP TO RIVER BEN PARK OR THE 711, JUST FOR MOMS TRYING TO GET THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL, FOR BUSINESS OWNERS, TRYING TO OPERATE A BUSINESS, FOR PEOPLE TRYING TO HAVE A BABY.
MY HUSBAND WHO WORKED OUT AT PRATT AND WHITNEY WAS VERY UNHAPPY WHEN HE SAW THE LIGHT GOING UP, COUNCILOR EFOR SAID, LIGHTS DON'T USUALLY ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC.
I RECENTLY CAME HERE FOR THAT, BUT I'M ALSO A LOCAL AUTHOR.
I WROTE A BOOK CALLED FOOD FOREST REVOLUTION.
THERE ARE PARTS OF THE TOWN LIKE THE MEDIAN NEXT TO CENTRAL WHERE YOU'VE GOT SOME REALLY GOOD REGENERATIVE PRACTICES GOING ON.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT.
THERE'S A LOW GROUND COVER CALLED PERNIAL PUT WITH YELLOW FLOWERS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TOWN'S PRINCIPLES ARE WHEN IT COMES TO LANDSCAPING.
BUT THERE ARE LOTS OF GREAT PRACTICES LIKE WHERE YOU'RE PLANTING PLANTS THAT AREN'T GRASS AND MEDIANS.
THEY DON'T REQUIRE MAINTENANCE, DON'T NEED TO BE WARED, THEY'RE NITROGEN FIXING, THEY'RE GOOD FOR POLLINATORS.
I SPEAK IN LIBRARIES AT CONFERENCES ACROSS THE STATE ON THINGS LIKE THIS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY COMMITTEES OR THINGS WHERE MY INPUT COULD BE HELPFUL, BUT THERE ARE TIMES WHERE WE'RE SPENDING AN INN AMOUNT OF MONEY ON PLANTS THAT REQUIRE MAINTENANCE AND FERTILIZERS AND THINGS THAT AREN'T REALLY GOOD FOR OUR ENVIRONMENT WHEN WE COULD BE SELECTING PLANTS THAT REQUIRE ZERO MAINTENANCE ARE GREAT FOR LOCAL ECOLOGY.
I KNOW WE CAN'T REALLY CHANGE THE TRAFFIC SITUATION, THAT'S WHY I CAME BECAUSE I WAS JUST TIRED OF SITTING IN TONS OF TRAFFIC EVERY MORNING, BUT IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT I CAN BE HELPFUL ON THE LANDSCAPE AGRICULTURE FRONT, YOU GOT MY NAME.
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>> LAST ONE WE HAVE IS LINDA MCDERMOTT.
>> GOOD EVENING. LINDA MCDERMOTT 107 CHADWICK DRIVE.
I JUST WANTED TO MENTION ON NOVEMBER 5TH, THAT VOTERS APPROVED AMENDMENT NUMBER 5, THIS MEANT THAT THE MAJORITY OF PROPERTY OWNERS AGREED TO AN ANNUAL ADJUSTMENT TO APPLY TO VALUE OF CERTAIN HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS.
THIS MEANS THAT ON THE SECOND HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, THERE WOULD BE ADJUSTMENTS EACH YEAR BASED ON INFLATION GROWTH.
THIS IS ESTIMATED TO CREATE AN AVERAGE PROPERTY TAX SAVINGS TO ABOUT $20 PER HOUSEHOLD OVER FIRST FIVE YEARS OF IMPLEMENTATION.
THIS SAVINGS TO TAXPAYERS MEANS LESS REVENUE TO EACH MUNICIPALITY.
IS ESTIMATED COST FLORIDA, $140 MILLION ANNUALLY, I REALLY BELIEVE THAT WE ARE VERY FORTUNATE BECAUSE THE TOWN HAS SUFFICIENT RESERVES TO COVER THE MINIMAL IMPACT THAT IT'S GOING TO MAKE, BUT REVENUES MAY NOT BE FLOWING IN AS THEY HAVE BEEN WITH THE PROPERTY VALUES WE'VE ENJOYED.
WITH THE TOWN HAVING DONE LONG TERM FINANCIAL PLANNING TO UTILIZE RESERVES FOR BUILDING A NEW FIRE DEPARTMENT AND OTHER CAPITAL PROJECTS, IT'S CRITICAL TO KNOW THE ESTIMATED FIGURE NOW SO THE PUBLIC CAN BE INFORMED IF IT MAY RESULT IN ANY CAPITAL PROJECT DELAYS OR INCREASES IN PROGRAM OR SERVICE FEES OR IF WE HAVE TO MAKE UP LOST PROPERTY TAX VALUE.
I'M ASKING IF THE FINANCE DIRECTOR CAN PROVIDE SOME ESTIMATES OF REVENUE LOSS TO THE TOWN OF JUPITER, SO THE PUBLIC CAN BE INFORMED.
ALSO I'D LIKE TO ASK FOR THE BUSINESS IMPACT OF THE PROPOSED FIRE ASSESSMENT FEES THAT THE TOWN PLANS ON THE FINANCED TO JUPITER FIRE DEPARTMENT IN 2026, PLEASE.
AGAIN, I MENTION, I DO BELIEVE THE TOWN HAS DONE A GOOD JOB WITH THE RESERVES.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE'RE GOING TO FEEL THE IMPACT OF THIS, BUT LIKE WITH ANYTHING THAT THE STATE OR ANY AMENDMENTS, SOMETIMES THE PUBLIC IS NOT REALLY AWARE OF THE FULL IMPACT OF WHAT WE'RE SAYING YES OR NO TO.
IT MAY BE GOOD FOR THEIR POCKETS, BUT $20, I VOTED NO FOR THIS BECAUSE I'D RATHER SEE JUPITER UTILIZE MY MONEY FOR THE POLICE OR IF IT MAY BE FIRE OR WHATEVER.
BUT AS IT WAS, THE PUBLIC VOTED FOR IT.
I THINK IT MIGHT BE A GOOD THING FOR SCOTT TO COME UP WITH SOME FIGURES AT SOME POINT IN TIME SOON. THANK YOU.
>> THAT'S IT. MOVING ON TO THE MINUTES.
[2. October 15, 2024 Town Council Meeting Minutes]
COUNSEL, WE HAVE BEFORE US THE MINUTES OF THE OCTOBER 15TH TOWN COUNCIL MEETING.I DON'T SEE ANY REVISIONS ON THE DISE.
IF THERE'S NONE, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
>> ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>> MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
MOVING ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.
[CONSENT AGENDA]
THIS IS ITEMS THREE THROUGH 12 ON THE MEETING AGENDA.IS THERE ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO PULL THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM?
>> COUNCIL FOUR. I WANTED TO PULL NUMBER 12, VICE MAYOR.
>> I WAS ALSO GOING TO PULL NUMBER 12.
>> SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION IN A SECOND ON APPROVING THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS 3 THROUGH 11.
>> MOTION TO APPROVE THREE THROUGH 11.
>> WE HAVE ONE ITEM THAT'S SAY QUASI JUDICIAL.
DOES ANYBODY ON THE COUNCIL HAVE ANY EX PARTE DISCLOSURES ON AGENDA ITEM 5?
>> I'D ASK THE TOWN ATTORNEY TO READ ORDINANCE ON AGENDA ITEMS 3, 04, AND 5 ON SHORT TITLE.
A ORDINANCE OF THE TOWN COUNCIL, THE TOWN IN JUPITER, FLORIDA, RELATING A MEMBERSHIP INTO THE FLORIDA RETIREMENT SYSTEM FOR FIRE RESCUE EMPLOYEES, PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
IN ORDINANCE, THE TOWN COUNCIL OF TOWN OF JUPITER, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE JUPITER CODE OF ORDINANCES TO UPDATE THE DATE OF FLOOD INSURANCE STUDY AND FLOOD INSURANCE RATE MAPS, PROVIDING FOR THE REFORMATTING OF THE PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED TOWN LOCAL AMENDMENTS TO THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE,
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PROVIDING FOR THE AMENDMENT TO THE TOWN'S LOCAL AMENDMENTS TO THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE TO SPECIFY ELEVATIONS FOR MANUFACTURED HOMES LOCATED IN FLOOD HAZARD AREAS, PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION, PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF LAWS IN CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.ORDINANCE 13. 24, AN ORDINANCE OF THE TOWN COUNCIL AT TOWN JUPITER, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE TOWN'S OFFICIAL ZONING MAP TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 1.34 ACRES OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1352 SOUTH US HIGHWAY 1, FROM COMMERCIAL OFFICE TO THE US HIGHWAY 1 AND COASTAL WATERWAY CORRIDOR DISTRICT, MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL SUB-DISTRICT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF LAWS IN CONFLICT, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE REVISED CONSENT AGENDA.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>> MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 12 WHICH WAS PULLED BY MYSELF AND COUNSEL MAY,
[12. Approving a donation from the Jupiter Police Foundation for the purchase of a Tactical Rescue Vehicle in an amount not to exceed $600,000.]
I JUST PULLED THIS ITEM.THIS IS AN ITEM WHERE THE JUPITER POLICE DEPARTMENT'S EXISTING RESCUE VEHICLE IS NINE-YEARS-OLD AND NEW REGULATIONS BY THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE HAVE MADE THE EXISTING RESCUE VEHICLE USABLE BY JUPITER POLICE DEPARTMENT.
NEW VEHICLE WILL PERFORM ALL THE FUNCTIONS OF THE EXISTING VEHICLE AND KEEP OFFICERS SAFE DURING OPERATIONS.
I THINK THE PRIOR VEHICLE HAD ACTUALLY PERHAPS SAVED ONE POLICE OFFICER'S LIFE DURING ONE EVENT.
THE VEHICLE WILL ALSO SERVE AS A HIGH WATER RESCUE VEHICLE DURING FLOOD EVENTS, ENSURING THE TOWN CAN RESCUE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE IN AN AREA AFFECTED BY FLOODING.
I REALLY THOUGHT IT WAS APPROPRIATE AND WE'LL GET OTHER TIMES TO DO THIS AS WELL, BUT TO THINK THANK THE FOUNDATION, THE JUPITER POLICE FOUNDATION WHICH WAS FORMED BACK IN 2017 HAS REALLY SHOWN UNWAVERING SUPPORT TO OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, IT'S COMMUNITY PROGRAMS AND REALLY MOST IMPORTANTLY, OUR OFFICE IN NEED.
THEY'RE MAKING A GENEROUS DONATION OF $600,000 ON THIS ITEM.
I REALLY WOULD BE REMISS ON BEHALF OF MY COLLEAGUES AND EVERYONE IN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT TO REALLY EXPRESS IN VOTING TO ACCEPT THE DONATION TO EXPRESS PROFUSELY OUR GRATITUDE.
THE JUPITER POLICE FOUNDATION SUPPORT HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN KEEPING OUR COMMUNITY SAFE AND WELL.
ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN COUNCIL AND THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE JUPITER POLICE DEPARTMENT I THANK EVERYONE WHO SUPPORTS THE JUPITER POLICE FOUNDATION AND ITS BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR THEIR COMMITMENT TO OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OUR TOWN.
>> I JUST WANTED TO ECHO WHAT YOU SAID.
I FIGURED YOU WERE GOING TO PULL FOR THE SAME REASON.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE JUPITER POLICE FOUNDATION FOR ALL THEIR SUPPORT OF THE JUPITER POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THAT REALLY HELPS TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF OUR TAX BURDEN WHEN WE'RE SUPPORTING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THIS VEHICLE IS WELL NEEDED, I'VE TALKED TO A LOT OFFICERS, THE OLD ONE IS PRETTY OUTDATED.
IT'S TAKEN SOME SHOTS LITERALLY AND FIGURED.
I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS STEPPING UP AND DOING THIS AND DONATING THIS VEHICLE FOR THE TOWN.
I KNOW JAY HERE, SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR GUYS SUPPORT.
I REALLY ENJOY HAVING THAT RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND JUPITER POLICE FOUNDATION. THANK YOU.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT. IF THE TOWN MANAGER WOULD LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING, PLEASE DO.
>> YES, MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK THE JUPITER POLICE FOUNDATION AND INTERESTINGLY, I HAVE ATTORNEY KEVIN SMITH HERE IN THE AUDIENCE WITH US.
HE WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL GROUP ALONG WITH RETIRED CAPTAIN DRAKE AND I REMEMBER MEETING IN OUR CONFERENCE ROOM AND PROPOSING THE IDEA, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING, AND WE THOUGHT IT WAS A BIG TO DO WHEN WE RAISED $10,000 AND SO IF YOU REMEMBER THAT.
NOW J. ALBERT, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR HAS COME ALONG AND TAKEN THIS POLICE FOUNDATION TO A WHOLE OTHER LEVEL.
I CAN'T THANK THESE GENTLEMEN ENOUGH AND ALL OF THE CITIZENS THAT HAVE CONTRIBUTED BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MANY COMMUNITIES DON'T HAVE THE SUPPORT THAT WE GET FROM THE COMMUNITY FOR THE JUPITER POLICE DEPARTMENT IS JUST REALLY QUITE REMARKABLE.
I PROMISE YOU WITH 42 YEARS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT THIS VEHICLE THAT THIS FOUNDATION IS DONATING WILL SAVE AN OFFICER'S LIFE SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD, IF NOT ANOTHER CITIZEN'S LIFE.
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I WOULD LIKE TO, AS A RETIRED POLICE CHIEF AND CITY MANAGER, SAY THANK YOU TO KEVIN AND TO JAY AND TO ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.IT'S JUST REALLY QUITE REMARKABLE AND IT'S HEARTWARMING TO SEE WHERE THIS FOUNDATION IS TODAY AND WHERE IT'S GOING IN THE FUTURE.
THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE THAT.
>> CAN I JUST ASK THE FOUNDATION MEMBERS THAT ARE PRESENT TO STAND TO BE RECOGNIZED?
>> I'LL TAKE A MOTION, THE SECOND ON AGENDA ITEM 12.
>> MOTION AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>> MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
MOVING ON TO REGULAR AGENDA ITEM 13,
[13. Resolution 13-24, Flagler Wharf – Quasi-Judicial - Special Exception and site plan application for a 12-slip private marina, and a site plan application for a restaurant with an accessory outdoor seating area, and professional office, on 2.95 ± acre property, located at the northeast corner of the intersection of North Alternate A1A and Old Jupiter Beach Road, approximately 1,300 feet north of Indiantown Road. (Continued from 10/1/24)]
RESOLUTION 13-24 FLAGLER WHARF.DOES ANYBODY ON COUNCIL HAVE ANY EX PARTE DISCLOSURES?
>> I DO. ON OCTOBER 24TH, I MET WITH THE APPLICANT AND THE AGENT IN CUTLER HEARINGS OFFICE, AND I HAD SOME PHONE CALLS WITH CHRIS HEISER AND MATT SAPOSKI.
EMAILS THAT ARE PUBLIC RECORD.
>> I HAVE A COUPLE OF EX PARTE.
NUMBER 1 IN MID SEPTEMBER BEFORE THE LAST SCHEDULED HEARING, I WALKED THE ENTIRETY OF THE SITE IN PERIMETER TO UNDERSTAND THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
ON SEPTEMBER 18TH, I BRIEFLY SPOKE WITH GEORGE GENTILE AFTER A CHAMBER EVENT BREAKFAST, SUGGESTING THAT THEY REMOVE THE ITEM FROM THAT NIGHT'S MEETING AGENDA UNTIL CODE COMPLIANCE ISSUES COULD BE RESOLVED AND THAT SUBSEQUENTLY HAPPENED.
THEN I'VE CERTAINLY RECEIVED A NUMBER OF EMAILS, AS I'M SURE WE ALL HAVE FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, THE INTERVENER, AND ALSO THE APPLICANT.
>> MAYOR, ONE MORE. I ALSO WALK THE SITE.
>> A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO, I DID WALK THE SITE AND IT'S AROUND THE PERIMETER AND TOOK A LOOK AT THE WATER AREA.
I MET WITH THE APPLICANT IN SEPTEMBER.
I RECEIVED A NUMBER OF EMAILS FROM RESIDENTS BOTH FOR IT AND AGAINST IT, AND I'VE HAD A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THE INTERVENER.
>> RECEIVED EMAILS AS WELL FOR AND AGAINST.
ON NOVEMBER 13TH, I HAD A MEETING WITH THE APPLICANT AND MR. GENTILE IN HIS OFFICE.
>> ON THIS ITEM, AND I'M GOING TO ASK THE TOWN ATTORNEY TO RESPECTFULLY KEEP ME IN LINE IF I'M NOT FOLLOWING THE LOGIC WHICH I HAVE RIGHT HERE.
BUT WE DO HAVE AN INTERVENER, CORRECT?
IS THAT CORRECT, MR. SICKLER, THERE'S AN INTERVENER?
>> YES. MATT SAPOSKI SUBMITTED A REQUEST TO BE AN INTERVENER IN THE PROCESS.
>> I'M GOING TO ASK THAT ALL THOSE WITNESSES OF THE REPRESENTATIVES OR WITNESSES OF ANY PARTIES THAT COULD GIVE TESTIMONY AT TONIGHT'S HEARING TO STAND AND BE SWORN IN.
>> DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE IN THIS HEARING IS THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
>> NEXT THREE ITEMS. I'LL JUST SAY, SO WE'LL PROCEED WITH THE APPLICANT PRESENTING ITS APPLICATION, LIMITED TO 15 MINUTES, TIME CAN BE RESERVED, FOLLOWED UP BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING STAFF, AGAIN LIMITED TO 15 MINUTES CAN BE RESERVED, AND THEN THE INTERVENER THEN CAN PRESENT ITS FACTS AND EVIDENCE, AND AGAIN, THEY'D BE LIMITED TO 15 MINUTES INCLUSIVE OF ANY CLOSING ARGUMENTS OR REBUTTALS.
WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT TO KICK OFF THE PRESENTATION.
>> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL, MAYOR.
FOR THE RECORD, TROY HOLLOWAY WITH TWO GHO.
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WE HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT AND INDEX INVESTMENT GROUP.WE'RE HERE TONIGHT FOR PRESENTING TO YOU FLAGLER WHARF.
WE'RE HERE TONIGHT, WE'RE SEEKING A USE-BY-RIGHT, SITE PLAN APPROVAL TO REDEVELOP THE PRE-EXISTING 2.95 ACRE BELL'S MOBILE HOME PARK WITH A TWO STORY 300 SQUARE FOOT WATERFRONT CAFE, WITH 1,200 SQUARE FEET OF COVERED OUTDOOR DINING, WHICH WOULD BE ON THE FIRST FLOOR, AND 2,700 SQUARE FEET OF PROFESSIONAL OFFICE TO BE LOCATED ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
WITH THAT, WE'RE ALSO REQUESTING A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO REFURBISH AND RECONFIGURE AND RESTORE THE EXISTING 50-YEAR-OLD 14 BOAT SLIPS THERE TO 12 SLIPS.
AS YOU ALL HAVE WALKED THE PROPERTY, YOU'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE LOCATION, NORTHEAST CORNER OF ALTERN A1A, AT OLD JUPITER BEACH ROAD THERE TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND ABUTTING THE CANAL TO THE NORTH SIDE.
I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF HISTORY.
THE PICTURES IN THE HISTORY IN THESE SLIDES ARE ALL PICTURES OF THE MOBILE HOME PARK BACK IN 2016 WHEN IT WAS PURCHASED BY INDEX INVESTMENT GROUP.
THOUGH IT WAS A BELL'S MOBILE HOME PARK, WHICH CONSISTED OF APPROXIMATELY 31 MOBILE HOMES, AND DID HAVE A 14 SLIP MARINA UNTIL 2016, WHICH AT THAT TIME WAS PURCHASED BY THE INDEX INVESTMENT GROUP.
AT THAT TIME, IT WAS STRONGLY SUGGESTED TO THEM BY THE TOWN TO RELOCATE THE RESIDENTS AND CLEAN UP THE PROPERTY, WHICH THEY DID RIGHT AWAY.
IN 2019, THEY DID FILE FOR AN APPLICATION FOR 85-BED ALF AND MARINA, WHICH WAS THEN LATER WITHDRAWN DUE TO THE NEGATIVE ATTENTION HERE AT THE TOWN.
THEY DID HAVE INITIAL DISCUSSIONS AFTER THAT, WAS WITHDRAWN WITH TOWN STAFF TO REZONE THIS PROPERTY FOR RESIDENTIAL USE, BUT TOWN STAFF EXPRESSED THEIR DESIRE TO KEEP THIS PROPERTY AS COMMERCIAL AS IT IS WITHIN A PRETTY STRONG COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR THERE ALONG ALTERNATE A1A.
WE THEN BEGAN A PROCESS IN MID 21 WITH A LARGER PROJECT THAN THIS ONE WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU TONIGHT WITH RETAIL, MEDICAL AND PROFESSIONAL OFFICE, ACCESSORY RESIDENTIAL, A CAFE, AND THE RENOVATED MARINA.
THAT PROJECT WENT IN FRONT OF THE P&Z IN NOVEMBER 23 AND RECEIVED A RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL.
WE THEN IMMEDIATELY MET WITH STAFF IN DECEMBER 23, STARTED TALKING ABOUT THAT WE HAD DISCUSSIONS ON WHERE TO GO WITH THE PLAN AND WHICH BROUGHT US TO THE PLAN YOU'RE CURRENTLY REVIEWING HERE TONIGHT.
REAL QUICKLY TOO, THAT'S JUST A SHOT OF THE MARINA AS IT WAS BACK IN 2016 FOR THE MOBILE HOME PARK.
THIS IS THE CURRENT SITE PLAN PROPOSED TO YOU.
WE'VE GOT A TWO STORY CAFE OFFICE, WHICH IS SITUATED ON THE CANAL, WHICH WOULD BE ON THE WELL-REFURBISHED BOAT SLIPS THERE.
THE PROJECT WOULD HAVE ONE MEANS OF EGRESS ONLY INTO THE PROJECT FROM OLD JUPITER BEACH ROAD THERE TO THE SOUTH.
THERE WOULD BE NO EXIT ON THAT DRIVEWAY.
THEN AN INGRESS AND EGRESS THERE ONTO ALTERNATE 1A INTO THE PROJECT.
WE WILL BE RELOCATING TWO VERY LARGE TREES ON THE PROPERTY, WE'LL BE RELOCATING AN EIGHT-FOOT SIDEWALK INTO THE PROPERTY, THERE'LL BE A SIX-FOOT SCREEN WALL ALONG THE ENTIRE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE.
WE'LL ALSO BE PROVIDING FOR A 12-FOOT DRAINAGE EASEMENT THAT WILL BE DEDICATED TO THE TOWN OR STORMWATER AND OUTFALL FROM OLD JUPITER BEACH ROAD, WHICH HAS SOME DRAINAGE ISSUES ON IT TODAY.
THE BOAT SLIPS OF THOSE 12 SLIPS, THOSE WILL BE STRICTLY LEASED OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE.
IT WILL NOT BE FOR THE RESTAURANT USE, SO THERE WILL BE NO TRANSIENT DOCKS AT THAT MARINA.
THIS IS JUST THE BLOW UP OF THE OFFICE ITSELF.
THE YELLOW THERE, THAT'S THE HIGHLIGHTED, THAT WOULD BE THE OUTDOOR DINING AREAS.
FOR THE MOST PART, THEY'D BE SITUATED FACING THE WATER.
WE'VE ALSO GOT THE BUILDING, SO IT'S ORIENTED TO ENGAGE WITH A1A WITH DIRECT PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE FACILITY ITSELF.
WE'LL BE PROVIDING A HISTORICAL MARKER AND SOME SEATING ALONG A1A THAT WOULD GIVE A NICE VIEW OF THE MARINA AND CANAL.
THERE WAS ALSO A 15-FOOT UTILITY EASEMENT THAT WAS DEDICATED TO THE TOWN AS WELL.
THE OWNER WORKED WITH THE TOWN IN PROVIDING THIS EASEMENT, SO THAT THE TOWN SO THEY COULD PROVIDE SOME STORMWATER OUTFALL FROM JUNEAU STREET, WHICH IS WEST OF ALTERNATE 1A.
AROUND THE MARINA, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME UP AND TRANSITIONAL PLANTINGS, SURROUNDING THE ENTIRE MARINA, AND AS WELL AS SOME RIP RAP AND MANGROVE PLANTINGS, SURROUNDING 100% OF THE SLIPS.
THIS PROPERTY IS LAND USE COMMERCIAL.
IT IS ZONE C2 GENERAL COMMERCIAL.
IT LIES WITHIN THE CENTER STREET A1A ROA WITH A REDEVELOPMENT OVERLAY.
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THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT HERE IS 60 FEET.WE PROPOSE ONLY 34-FOOT MAXIMUM HEIGHT, LOCK COVERAGE IS 7%, MAX IS 35.
IN THE PARKING, WE HAVE 84 SPACES PROVIDED 77 ARE REQUIRED.
THE ARCHITECTURE. I THINK THE ARCHITECTS DID A GREAT JOB ON THIS BUILDING.
IT DOES PROVIDE FOR A FULL STANDING METAL SEAM ROOF, A FULL WRAP AROUND COVERED PORCH ON THE ENTIRE FIRST FLOOR, HAS SECOND FLOOR BALCONIES, A LOT OF WINDOWS, DECORATIVE TOWER ELEMENTS, SOME DECORATIVE LIGHTING, ROOF TOP DORMERS, A LOT OF ARCHITECTURAL TREATMENTS.
THIS IS THE NORTH ELEVATION THAT WOULD BE FACING THE MARINA THAT FACING THE CANAL.
THIS WOULD BE THAT SAME BUILDING FACING SOUTH FACING THE PARKING AREA.
THESE ARE THE EAST AND WEST ELEVATIONS.
THE WEST ELEVATION THERE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE WOULD BE FACING A1A.
AGAIN, HAS DIRECT PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE SIDEWALK INTO THE ROADWAY.
AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST THE RENDERINGS OF THAT BUILDING.
THIS IS THE BUILDING FACING SOUTH, OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS FACING THE MARINA.
WE CAN COME BACK TO THESE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
I DON'T SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON THE ARCHITECTURE.
THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AS IT SITS ON A1A.
IT'S A VERY NICE HISTORIC FEEL TO IT.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THE PORCH HAS A NICE ELEVATION THERE.
IT'S ELEVATED UP A FEW STEPS UP, WHICH IS VERY NICE.
THEN THIS WOULD BE THE HISTORICAL MARKER WHERE THEY WOULD GO WITH SOME SEATING FACING THE MARINA ITSELF.
SOME OF THE MARINE ENVIRONMENTAL ENHANCEMENTS THAT THIS PROJECT WILL BE MAKING, SOUTH FORD WATER MANAGEMENT HAS PERMITTED AND STATED THAT NO ADVERSE WATER QUALITY IMPACTS ARE ANTICIPATED AS A RESULT OF THIS PROPOSED PROJECT, AND THEY ALSO STATE THAT NO BENTHIC RESOURCES OR SEA GRASSES CURRENTLY EXIST IN THE AREA, WHICH ARE MARINE LIFE FOOD SOURCES SUCH AS STARFISH, OYSTERS, CLAM, SEA CUCUMBERS, SEAGRASSES, ETC.
THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT STATE OF DIVISION OF HISTORICAL RESOURCES INDICATES THAT NO SIGNIFICANT ARCHAEOLOGICAL OR HISTORICAL RESOURCES HAVE BEEN RECORDED IN THIS PROJECTS AREA.
I'M SURE THEY MAY FIND SOME AS THEY GET WORKING ON IT.
NO LIVEABOARDS WILL BE ALLOWED WITH THIS MARINA, NO COMMERCIAL VESSELS, NO SHIP STORE, NO FUELING OR FISH CLEANING FACILITIES WOULD BE ALLOWED.
I KNOW WE DO CALL A MARINA, AS THE TOWNS CODE REQUIRES ANYTHING OVER TWO SLIPS IS CONSIDERED A MARINA.
I DON'T REALLY CONSIDER THIS A MARINA, BUT IT'S JUST 12 BOAT SLIPS.
THEY'LL BE REMOVING FOUR FEET OF SILT AND DEBRIS FROM THE CANAL FLOOR, AND EXPANDING THE DEAD END TURNING BASIN FOR THIS 60-FOOT PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY CANAL.
THESE PLANS DO MEET ALL COMP PLANT POLICIES AND PROVIDES THE FOLLOWING MARINE IMPROVEMENTS.
IT DOES PROVIDE FOR CONCRETE PILINGS TO ENCOURAGE OYSTER GROWTH, PROVIDES REQUIRED SHORELINE BUFFER ZONE FOR THE 100% OF THE UPLAND EDGE, AS WELL AS MANGROVE PLANTINGS ALONG 100% AS WELL.
IT DOES PROVIDE FOR EDUCATIONAL AND HISTORICAL SIGNAGE, INCLUDING MANATEE AND SEA TURTLE ZONE SIGNAGE.
IT WILL INCREASE THE FLUSHING CAPACITY SLIGHTLY THROUGH THE WIDENING OF THE CANAL AND THE ANNUAL FLOW OF THE PIPE THAT THE TOWN DID PUT IN AROUND 41 MILLION GALLONS OF FILTERED STORM WATER, AND THEN AGAIN, WITH THE FLOW FROM THE OLD JUPITER BEACH ROAD PIPING.
SINCE PURCHASING THE PROPERTY IN 2016, INDEX INVESTMENT GROUP HAS RELOCATED THE RESIDENCES, REMOVED THE BLIGHTED AND DILAPIDATED HOMES, AND COMPLETELY CLEANED UP THE PROPERTY.
THEY PROVIDED THE TOWN WITH AN EASEMENT FOR THE STORM PIPE THAT I MENTIONED FROM OLD DIXIE HIGHWAY.
THEY WILL BE PROVIDING THEM WITH AN EASEMENT TO OLD JUPITER BEACH ROAD.
WE'LL BE RELOCATING TWO TREES WHICH ARE CURRENTLY DOING OKAY. THEY'RE NOT SURVIVING WELL.
WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THEM AND RAISE THEM UP 4-5 FEET, BECAUSE CURRENTLY THE PROPERTY IS SO LOW THAT THEY'RE GETTING SALTWATER INTRUSION, AND THEY'RE PROBABLY 50% SURVIVABILITY RIGHT NOW.
I WILL PROVIDE SAFER PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE BY COMPLETELY REMOVING THE EXISTING SIDEWALK AND MOVING IT INTO THE PROPERTY, SEPARATING THAT WALKWAY ABOUT EIGHT FEET FROM A1A AND LANDSCAPING THAT AS WELL.
THEY'LL BE UNDERGROUNDING THE OVERHEAD WIRES ALONG OLD JUPITER BEACH ROAD, REFURBISHING, AND OF COURSE, RESTORING AND DREDGING OUT THE 50-YEAR-OLD PLUS AREA THERE, THE OLD BULKHEAD BOAT SLIPS AND BASIN.
WE'LL ALSO BE SHIFTING THE EXISTING BULKHEAD OF SLIP SLIGHTLY SOUTHWARD, WHICH WILL REMOVE THOSE BOAT SLIPS RIGHT NOW THEY'RE INSIDE OF THAT CANAL RIGHT AWAY, THAT WILL HELP GET THOSE OUT OF THAT RIGHT AWAY, WHICH WILL ALSO HELP WITH THE TITLE FLUSHING.
THE REFURBISHED BOAT SLIPS WILL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE WATER ACCESS TO JUPITER RESIDENTS WHO ARE NOT AS FORTUNATE TO LIVE ON THE WATER.
THIS WILL ALSO PLACE A HISTORIC MARKER NEAR THE MARINA EDGE TO CELEBRATE
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THE HISTORY OF THIS AREA AS WELL AS EDUCATIONAL SIGNAGE REGARDING THE MARINE ENVIRONMENT HABITAT.THIS PROJECT WILL MAKE ENVIRONMENTAL ENHANCEMENTS TO THE CANAL BY UTILIZING RIP RAP, PLANTING MANGROVES AND CONCRETE POLYS TO STIMULATE MARINE LIFE AND PROVIDING UPLAND HABITAT.
PALM BEACH COUNTY TRAFFIC HAS DETERMINED THAT THIS PROJECT DOES MEET THE TRAFFIC PERFORMANCE STANDARDS OF THE COUNTY.
THE BOAT SLIPS HAVE CURRENT APPROVAL FROM SOUTH FLORIDA AND ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS.
WE'RE REQUESTING NO VARIANCES AS THIS PROJECT DOES MEET ALL SPECIAL EXCEPTION AND SITE PLAN REVIEW CRITERIA AND IS COMPLIANT WITH ALL ZONING CODES AND COMP PLAN REQUIREMENTS.
IT PROVIDES A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN AD VALOREM TAXES.
THE LANDSCAPE PLAN ALSO EXCEEDS ALL LANDSCAPE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
THEN QUALITY OF THIS COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT WILL SET THE STANDARD FOR OTHER PARCELS TO FOLLOW WITHIN THIS CORRIDOR, WHICH IS VERY MUCH NEEDED, AND WE ALSO AGREE TO ALL OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. THANK YOU.
>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.
FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS MARTIN SCHNEIDER.
I'M WITH THE TOWNS PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT AND I'LL GIVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION.
THIS ITEM WAS POSTPONED FROM THE SEPTEMBER 18TH TOWN COUNCIL MEETING DUE TO A CODE VIOLATION ON THE PROPERTY, THAT CODE COMPLIANCE VIOLATION WAS BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE ON OCTOBER 24TH.
THE APPLICATION IS GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, TO ENSURE CONSISTENCY, STAFF RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS RELATED TO LIVING SHORELINE AND PROVISION OF A MARINE STOCHIP PLAN.
STAFF FINDS THE APPLICATION COMPLIANT WITH THE TOWN'S LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, SPECIFICALLY THE CENTER STREET NORTH ALTERNATE A1A REDEVELOPMENT OVERLAY AREA, ALSO KNOWN AS ZOROA.
CONTINGENT ON THE TOWN COUNCIL ACCEPTANCE OF THE ALTERNATE A1A AS THE PROPERTY FRONTAGE, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH PROPERTIES NORTH AND SOUTH OF THIS PROPERTY AND ALSO CONSISTENT WITH THE PLANNING PRINCIPLES OF ZOROA.
THAT FINDS THAT THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR THE MARINA USE SATISFIES THE REVIEW CRITERIA WITH THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL RELATED TO LIMITING BOAT SIZE AND RESTRICTING COMMERCIAL VESSELS.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT WITH ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS ALSO TO REDUCE POTENTIAL IMPACTS FROM THE MARINA AND THE RESTAURANT.
A FEW OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE ADDED BASED ON THEIR RECOMMENDATION WE THERE ARE NO LIVER BOARDS AT THE MARINA.
THEY REQUIRED THE OWNER TO INSTALL DECORATIVE LOCKED GATING SYSTEM FOR THE MARINA TO PREVENT THE TRANSIENT USE OF THE SLIPS FOR THE RESTAURANT, SO THOSE ARE MEANT FOR PRIVATE LEASING OR OWNERSHIP.
NO SLIP RENTAL TO NON INDIVIDUALS, COMPANIES OR CLUBS, AND NO SUBLEASING OF SLIPS.
IT ALSO RESTRICTED THE RESTAURANT'S LIQUOR LICENSE TO A 5COPSFS, WHICH IS SPECIAL FOOD SERVICES ESTABLISHMENT.
WHICH MEANS THAT THE RESTAURANTS REQUIRED TO MAKE MORE THAN 51% OF PROFITS FROM FOOD AND NON ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.
THAT IS TO PREVENT IT FROM TURNING INTO A BAR AND IF THEY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS AND TO THE COUNCIL TO CHANGE THAT.
JUST WANT TO CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THE APPLICANT'S COMMENTS.
THE STAFF DID NOT MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY CLOSE THE PARK.
STAFF EXPLAINED THE FLORIDA STATE REGULATIONS REGARDING CLOSING MOBILE HOME PARKS AND THE RULES REQUIRED FOR ASSISTING EXISTING TENANTS WITH RELOCATION.
AND THE APPLICANT ALSO SAID THAT THE REQUEST FOR SPECIAL EXCEPTION WAS TO REFURBISH AND RESTORE THE EXISTING BOAT SLIPS, BUT IS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN THAT.
THERE WAS NO DOCUMENTATION FOUND APPROVING THE ORIGINAL SLIPS.
THE MARINA PROJECT INCREASES THE SIZE OF THE BASIN THROUGH DREDGING AND ADDS NEW SEA WALLS ALONG WITH A MARGINAL DOCK AND IT ALSO ADDS RIP RAP AND LIVING SHORELINE.
SO IT WOULD REQUIRE A FULL MARINA SPECIAL EXCEPTION REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
WITH THAT, I'LL COMPLETE MY PRESENTATION AND RESERVE ANY TIME FOR REBATTLE AND I CAN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.
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>> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MAYOR.
I LIVE AT 109 OLD JUPITER BEACH ROAD, AND I'M PRETTY MUCH 100 FEET AWAY FROM WHERE THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS GOING TO BE BUILT.
I THINK THE FOCUS NEEDS TO BE FIRST ON THE RULES FOR THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
VERY SIMPLY, IT'S CLEAR THAT YOU HAVE TO MEET ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION AND THE TWO THINGS THAT STAND OUT IS THAT IT CAN'T BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS AND IT ALSO HAS TO BE COMPATIBLE.
WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING HERE IS WE'RE INCREASING PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WILL BE USING THIS CANAL.
THE DEGREE OF NOISE, ODOR, AND POTENTIAL NUISANCES ARE ALSO GOING TO INCREASE.
TRAFFIC FLOW IS GOING TO INCREASE NOT ONLY FOR CARS, BUT THIS IS ON A RESIDENTIAL CANAL.
SO WE ARE PROPOSING TO ADD 12 BOATS, 40 FEET.
THERE WILL BE PEOPLE COMING TO LOOK AT THE RESTAURANT AND THIS IS A VERY QUIET RESIDENTIAL CANAL.
SO WE ARE SETTING A TEMPLATE AND SETTING AN EXAMPLE WITH A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, SOMETHING THAT HAS NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE'RE MEETING THE HIGH BAR SET FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION IN LIEU OF THE FACT THAT THIS WILL BE DETRIMENTAL THE RESIDENTS ON THE CANAL.
I HAVE FORWARDED YOU A LETTER.
I BELIEVE EIGHT OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THIS CANAL ARE FULLY OPPOSED.
I DO NOT BELIEVE OTHER THAN THE DEVELOPER SON, YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE A RESIDENT WHO LIVES ON THIS CANAL THAT IS GOING TO GET UP AND SPEAK TO YOU AND SAY THEY'RE IN SUPPORT OF THIS.
SO IT CLEARLY HAS A DETRIMENTAL IMPACT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE ARE PUTTING A RESTAURANT BAR AND MARINA WITH A LIQUOR LICENSE ON A RESIDENTIAL CANAL WITH 12 BOATS.
SO I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO OUR RESIDENTIAL CANAL AND I ALSO THINK THAT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WILL BE BENEFICIAL.
THIS WILL AFFECT THE PROPERTY VALUES OF EVERY HOMEOWNER ON THIS CANAL.
WE WILL BE THE ONLY CANAL IN JUPITER WITH A RESTAURANT BAR AND MARINA ON IT.
WHEN A PROSPECTIVE BUYER COMES TO OUR HOME AND FINDS OUT THAT THERE IS 12 40 FOOT CENTER CONSOLES AND A RESTAURANT BARN MARINE AT THE END OF IT, I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO EITHER LOOK FOR A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE LOCATION, AS I WOULD HAVE, IF I EVER THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS EVEN A CHANCE, OR THEY'RE GOING TO WANT A DISCOUNT IN LIEU OF THE FACT THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF ACTIVITY UP AND DOWN THIS CANAL.
THIS IS A SMALL DEAD END CANAL.
THERE IS NOT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIDAL FLOW THAT IS ON THIS CANAL.
IN FACT, AS A RESULT OF THE STORM DRAIN THAT COMES FROM THE INDUSTRIAL PARK ACROSS THE STREET, ALL THE RESIDENTS OVER THE LAST 18 MONTHS HAVE DISCUSSED THE FACT THAT WATER QUALITY HAS REALLY DETERIORATED PRETTY QUICKLY.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'RE NOW GOING TO PUT A LARGE PARKING LOT AND HAVE ADDITIONAL STORMWATER DRAINING INTO THIS CANAL.
STORMWATER DRAINAGE IS NOT A POSITIVE, IT'S A NEGATIVE.
SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO COMPROMISE WHAT'S GOING ON IN A VERY SMALL AREA.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING 12 40 FOOT CENTER CONSOLES.
EACH ONE OF THOSE BOATS CARRIES ANYWHERE 350-500 GALLONS OF GASOLINE, WHICH EQUATES TO ALMOST 6,000 GALLONS OF GAS.
EACH BOAT, THESE ARE HALF 1 MILLION TO MILLION DOLLAR CENTER CONSOLES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THIS IS NOT SLIPS FOR THE AVERAGE PERSON.
RENTS ON THESE COULD PROBABLY RANGE ANYWHERE $1500-3,000 A MONTH.
SO THE AVERAGE BAY BOAT JUPITER RESIDENT IS NOT GOING TO BE PUTTING THEIR BOAT HERE.
THESE BOATS HOLD ANYWHERE 3-5 BATTERIES, THEY ALSO HOLD 20 GALLONS OF BLACKWATER SLASH WASTEWATER, WHICH THEY CARRY AS A RESULT OF HAVING A HEAD ONBOARD AND MOST OF THOSE BOATS CAN DISCHARGE THOSE.
AND IF SOMEBODY COMES IN FROM A LONG DAY AND DIDN'T DO IT OFFSHORE OR DIDN'T PUMP OUT SOMEPLACE ELSE, THEY MIGHT DO IT RIGHT THERE IN THE CANAL, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN HAPPEN AND DOES HAPPEN AND LIKELY WILL HAPPEN.
ADDITIONALLY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALMOST 84 SEATS ON THE WATER.
IT'S A REALLY LARGE AMOUNT OF SEEDING OUTSIDE ON A RESIDENTIAL CANAL.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STRAWS, NAPKINS, CIGARETTES, BOTTLES.
IF IT CAN FLY INTO THE CANAL, IT WILL AND IT CAN AND THAT IS GOING TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF TRASH IN THE WATER IN THIS LOCATION.
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WE'VE TALKED ABOUT NOISE IN LIEU OF THE FACT THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A FULL LIQUOR RESTAURANT.THE ONLY LIMITATION WAS PUT ON BY SOMEONE ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD WHO AS AN AFTERTHOUGHT, SAID, HEY, THIS MIGHT NOT BE A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE A FULL LIQUOR LICENSE ON A BAR RESTAURANT ON A RESIDENTIAL CANAL.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT WAS GOING TO BE PROPOSED AS SOMETHING ELSE.
EACH ONE OF THESE BOATS IS GOING TO CARRY THREE TO FOUR LARGE OUTBOARDS.
ALL THOSE OUTBOARDS GET SERVICED EVERY HUNDRED HOURS, THAT SERVICE TAKES PLACE ON THE BOAT.
THERE'S NO MISCONCEPTION BY ME THAT THIS IS NOT A FUNCTIONAL MARINA, I GET THAT.
BUT WHAT HAPPENS ON BOATS NOWADAYS, ESPECIALLY BOATS LIKE THIS IS THE MAINTENANCE GETS HANDLED RIGHT THERE ON THE WATER.
SO A MOBILE SERVICE IS GOING TO COME, THEY'RE GOING TO SERVICE THOSE ENGINES.
THEY'RE GOING TO DRAIN THAT OIL, AND THEY'RE GOING TO HANDLE THAT MAINTENANCE.
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THAT OIL OR A MAINTENANCE PLAN GOES BAD? IN ADDITION TO THAT, FUEL IS DELIVERED BY TRUCK TO MOST RESIDENCES NOW.
AND IT'S FASTER, IT'S CHEAPER AND IT'S CONVENIENT.
SO UNDERSTANDING THERE'S NO PUMPS ON SITE.
THESE BOATS WILL BE FULFILLED BY A MOBILE FEELING BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY WHO HAS A BOAT THIS SIZE DOES.
AND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN ONE OF THOSE SPILLS TAKES PLACE ON THE CANAL? ADDITIONALLY, THESE ARE LARGE CENTER CONSOLES THAT GO VERY FAST.
THEY GO ANYWHERE 40-70 MILES AN HOUR.
NON UNHEARD OF FOR THESE BOATS TO HAVE TANK ISSUES OR TO HAVE A CRACK IN A TANK.
IF THAT EVER HAPPENED, THESE ARE NOT BOATS THAT ARE GOING TO BE IN SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD BEING MONITORED, BUT RATHER A CRACK TANK COULD HAPPEN AND FUEL COULD DISCHARGE INTO THE BUILD WHICH COULD THEN BE DISCHARGED INTO THE CANAL AND NOBODY WOULD KNOW IT UNTIL IT WAS ALREADY HAPPENING.
THEN GOD FORBID, SOMETIMES WHEN THAT HAPPENS, A BILGE PUMP WILL SIGNAL ON AND YOU COULD ACTUALLY HAVE A FIRE AND EXPLOSION, EXCEPT NOW YOU HAVE 12 BOATS, 40 FEET, CRAMMED IN PROBABLY THE TIGHTEST LOCATION I'VE EVER SEEN.
IN FACT, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN POINT TO ANOTHER LOCATION IN JUPITER, WHERE YOU HAVE THIS MANY BOATS AND THIS CLOSE.
GOD FORBID, ONE OF THEM CATCHES ON FIRE, THEY POTENTIALLY ALL CATCH ON FIRE, AND WORSE, YOU HAVE A RESTAURANT THERE.
FOR WHAT COULD BE A CATASTROPHIC EVENT AT THE END OF A VERY ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREA AND AT THE END OF OUR RESIDENTIAL CANAL.
SO I THINK IT'S A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE.
ADDITIONALLY, THIS HAS BEEN AN AREA THAT YOU ALL CREATED.
FULLERTON ISLAND AND THE OTHER SPOIL ISLANDS THAT ARE THERE WERE BUILT AND PRESERVED SO THAT PEOPLE COULD PADDLEBOARD, KAYAK, A LOT OF SMALL LITTLE SKIFS WITH PARENTS AND THEIR KIDS FISHING BACK IN THERE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A RESTAURANT BACK THERE THAT'S LIQUOR AND ALCOHOL.
WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT HAVING 12 MORE BOATS, 40 FEET THAT DON'T TURN VERY WELL.
AND LET'S FACE IT, PEOPLE GO OUT ON THOSE BOATS AND THEY GO TO BARS AND THEY GO TO SANDBARS AND DRINK AND USE ALCOHOL AND THEY HAVE TO MAKE IT DOWN A VERY NARROW CANAL AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN SEE AND FEEL AND HEAR THOSE PEOPLE, BUT YOU GUYS CREATED THIS AREA FOR PEOPLE TO USE, AND THEY DO.
BUT NOW YOU'RE PUTTING A COMMERCIAL INTEREST AT THE END OF A RESIDENTIAL CANAL.
I COULD FORSEE GOD FORBID, SOMEBODY WAS HURT BADLY, LIABILITY BEING AN ISSUE FOR ANYBODY WHO MADE THE DECISION.
TRAFFIC'S GOING TO INCREASE SIGNIFICANTLY IN THE AREA.
THERE'S GOING TO BE PEOPLE CURIOUS, PEOPLE TRYING TO DOCK, PEOPLE DOCK DOWN THAT CANAL NOW AND GO TO DUNE DOGS, AND THERE'S GOING TO BE PEOPLE WANTING TO COME THERE TO SEE THE RESTAURANT.
AT PLANNING AND ZONING, IT WAS MISREPRESENTED THAT THIS IS A COMMERCIAL MARINA THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY LOCATED HERE.
THERE'S NEVER BEEN A PERMIT FILED FOR A MARINA IN THIS LOCATION.
I NEVER BEEN A PERMIT APPROVED FOR THIS LOCATION.
THIS WAS NOT A COMMERCIAL MARINA.
I BELIEVE YOU ALL RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THE DEVELOPER IN THE LAST FEW DAYS.
IN THAT LETTER FIVE TIMES, IT TALKS ABOUT A COMMERCIAL MARINA, EXCEPT THERE ISN'T A COMMERCIAL MARINA.
THIS WAS A MOBILE HOME PARK WITH A DOCK THAT RAN PARALLEL.
AT SOME POINT, I BELIEVE SOME OF THE FISHERMEN IN THE AREA GOT PUSHED OUT FROM SQUARE GROUPER, FOUND AN AREA, SUNK FOUR INCH PVC PIPES INTO THE MUD THAT THEY COULD CREATE SOME RANDOM SLIPS.
BUT TO REPRESENT THAT THIS WAS A MARINA, THAT IT WAS COMMERCIAL, AND THAT WE'RE JUST CLEANING IT UP IS NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING.
WE ARE DOING SOMETHING THAT HAS NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE, A 12 SLIT BOAT MARINA ON A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND ON A RESIDENTIAL CANAL.
ADDITIONALLY, IT WAS REPRESENTED AGAIN, IN LETTERS TO I THINK THE COUNCIL AND TO EVEN SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS, THAT THIS IS JUST A SMALL LITTLE GLUTEN FREE CAFE.
UNFORTUNATELY, I BELIEVE IT'S 2,700 SQUARE FEET,
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84 CHAIRS OUTSIDE, A BAR AREA THAT YOU CAN ACCESS FROM THE OUTSIDE.I BELIEVE THERE'LL BE AS MANY SEATS ON THE INSIDE.
THIS IS NOT A SMALL GLUTEN FREE CAFE.
I DON'T KNOW OF ANY GLUTEN FREE CAFE WHERE YOU CAN GET A RUM AND COKE AND A GLUTEN FREE SCONE ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
BUT IT'S BEEN SOLD THAT WAY AND YET THAT'S NOT WHAT IT IS.
AND SO I THINK IT'S BEEN A MISREPRESENTATION AND UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING IS BASICALLY PUTTING 1,000 NORTH AT THE END OF THE CANAL AND ONCE IT'S THERE, ANYTHING CAN CHANGE.
ANY OF THE GUIDELINES CAN BE CHANGED.
THE DEVELOPER THAT HELPED DEVELOP 1,000 NORTH AND IS IN THIS PROJECT, I BELIEVE SOLD HIS INTEREST IN THAT RESTAURANT.
WHAT KEEPS HIM FROM SELLING THE INTEREST IN THIS PROJECT? AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, SOMEONE'S GOING TO PUSH THE LIMITS.
SO I JUST THINK IT'S A BAD PRECEDENT TO SET AND I DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO END WELL FOR THE PEOPLE ON THIS CANAL.
AT SOME POINT IN THE PLANNING AND OWNING MEANING, IT SEEMED LIKE THE NEW STANDARD BECAME ANYTHING IS BETTER THAN A TRAILER PARK, BUT THAT'S NOT THE STANDARD.
IT CAN'T HAVE A DETRIMENTAL IMPACT TO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS AND IT MUST BE COMPATIBLE.
IT'S A SMALL RESIDENTIAL CANAL.
I WANT TO SAY THAT THE DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE WAY THAT WAS BUILT ARBOR SIDE IS PROBABLY THREE OR FOUR TIMES LARGER THAN THIS AND THEY WERE ONLY ABLE TO GET SIX BOAT LIFTS.
THAT'S ON AN OPEN WATER AREA WHERE THERE'S CURRENT AND FLOW AND THE ABILITY TO FLUSH.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWICE THAT SIZE WAY LESS THAN HALF THE SPACE IN A VERY TIGHT RESIDENTIAL AREA.
>> ADDITIONALLY, WHAT WAS THERE PREVIOUSLY? THE TRAILER PARK IS IRRELEVANT.
UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK THE DEVELOPER LIVES ON THE STREET.
AT SOME POINT, IT WAS OBVIOUS.
IT'S NO FUN TO SAY TURN RIGHT AT THE TRAILER PARK TO GET TO MY HOUSE.
AT THE SAME POINT, HE IS A DEVELOPER.
IT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY SO I UNDERSTAND THAT.
HE'S OBVIOUSLY A VERY SUCCESSFUL DEVELOPER, BUT I DON'T THINK ANY OF US HAD OPPOSITION TO THE NURSING HOME.
THE SECOND ITERATION WAS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PROPERTY AND CHANGES, AND I THINK THE PLANNING AND ZONING HAD KILLED THAT, BUT I THINK THE CURRENT ITERATION IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS INTERESTED OR REALLY FITS WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.
BOATS SLIP RENTERS ARE NOT HOMEOWNERS.
NOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 12 PEOPLE WHO IF THEY WANT TO GO OUT LATE AND PARTY AND COME DOWN THE CANAL LOUD OR FAST, I CAN'T TALK TO THEM.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE AS RESPECTFUL.
YOU HAVE TO BE COMPETENT TO ON THOSE BOATS AND ADDITIONALLY, I'D SAY WHEN YOU OWN ON A CANAL, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PRIVACY.
IT'S UNDERSTOOD IT'S A TRADE OFF, BUT YOU DO KNOW YOUR NEIGHBORS AND IF THERE'S AN ISSUE, YOU CAN ADDRESS IT WITH THEM AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT LUXURY WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE RENTING.
I THINK IF YOU GRANT THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION, I THINK IT'S BEEN SAID.
I THINK IT IS GOING TO SET THE NEW STANDARD IN THE ROW.
I THINK THIS IS GOING TO POINT OUT TO PEOPLE THAT MAYBE WE CAN GO BIGGER IN THIS AREA.
LEAVE DON DOGS HAD DEVELOPER TRYING TO DO SOMETHING THERE AND I BELIEVE THE DEVELOPERS ARE LOOKING CLOSELY AT THIS TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
I WONDER, DOES THE PAINT STORE ACROSS THE WATER? DOES THAT GUY GET EIGHT OR 10 SLIPS NOW? BECAUSE THERE'S A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT'S ON THE WATER THERE.
DOES HE NOW SAY, HEY, HE GOT A SPECIAL EXCEPTION? WHY CAN'T I GET THE 2,500 A MONTH TIMES 10? OCTOPUS ENTERPRISES IS JUST EAST OF THAT.
DOES HE NOW SAY, LOOK, I'M ENTITLED TO 10 OR 12 BOAT SLIPS ON MY PROPERTY IN ORDER TO DRIVE REVENUE? HOW DO YOU SAY TO THEM NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE YOU'VE JUST GRANTED IT ON THAT SAME CANAL? I WOULD SAY ANY OTHER COMMERCIAL PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE WATER IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO POINT TO THIS EXCEPTION AND SAY THE SAME OR SIMILAR THINGS.
I THINK I'VE POINTED OUT THE REASONS WHY THIS IS DETRIMENTAL AND IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE.
WE'RE ASKING THE NEIGHBORS THAT THIS REQUEST FOR THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION IS REJECTED FOR THE BOAT SLIPS AND THE MARINA.
I THINK IF ANY OF YOU HAD A HOME ON A WATER AND MOST OF US WHO ARE THE NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE HERE, THIS WAS OUR DREAM HOME.
THIS IS WHERE WE WANTED TO LIVE, AND THIS IS WHERE WE WANTED TO BE.
NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, WE'VE GOT SOMETHING BEING PROPOSED THAT WILL BE A ONE OF A KIND.
A SPECIAL EXCEPTION IS NOT MEANT TO MEAN WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING SPECIAL AND OUT OF THE ORDINARY AND THAT'S NEVER BEEN DONE.
IT MEANS THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S NOT DETRIMENTAL AND COMPATIBLE, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
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>> MOVING ON TO I GUESS, IT'S ITEM 5 HERE.
>> YES, MAYOR. IF THERE'S ANY CROSS EXAMINATION OF THE OTHER PARTIES, THEN THAT'S PERMITTED AT THIS TIME.
>> IS THAT WITHIN THE TIME LIMITS OR OUTSIDE OF THAT?
>> IT'S OUTSIDE THE TIME LIMITS.
>> WHO DOES THE APPLICANT, THE STAFF, INTERVENER HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THEY WISH TO CROSS EXAMINE THE WITNESSES OF THE OTHER PARTIES.
I GUESS, REALLY HAVEN'T HAD ANY WITNESSES.
>> NO, THANKS. AT WHAT TIME WOULD WE REBUT SOME OF THE THINGS? DOES THAT COME?
>> YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES AND TWO SECONDS LEFT.
>> I COME AFTER [OVERLAPPING].
>> USUALLY, I THINK AFTER WE MAYBE ASKED QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL.
>> YEAH. PUBLIC COMMENT. MOVING ON THEN, I'M GOING TO SEQUENTIALLY SOLICIT QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNSELOR DIRECTED TO STAFF, THE APPLICANT, OR INTERVENING PARTY.
ONLY THOSE QUESTIONS WHICH ARE INTENDED TO DISCOVER ADDITIONAL FACTS OR CLARIFIED TESTIMONIES ARE PERMITTED.
THESE ARE JUST QUESTIONS. COUNCILOR FORE?
I COULD NOT FIND ANY PERMITS FOR THE EXISTING PILINGS OR DOCS.
>> WE ALSO DID NOT FIND ANY RECORDS OF PERMITS FOR THOSE.
>> THERE IS NO MARINA THERE NOW?
>> NOT A LEGAL MARINA. IS THERE ALLOWABLE FUEL DROPPING AT ANY COMMERCIAL SPOT? CAN YOU GET FUEL ANYWHERE ELSE DELIVERED? IS THAT TYPICAL? ARE THERE ANY TOWN CODES THAT ALLOW FUEL DROPS?
>> WE DON'T HAVE ANY REGULATIONS THAT I KNOW OF ON THAT.
>> THE DENSITY OF THE SLIPS. WHAT'S THAT? IS THERE RULES THAT GOVERN THAT?
>> NO. EACH MARINA IS EVALUATED INDEPENDENTLY, SO THEY REQUESTED THAT NUMBER OF SLIPS.
>> I LOOKED MYSELF AND I COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING TO GUIDE ME ON THAT.
>> REGARDING THE STEPHANIE THORBURN PLANNING AND ZONING, REGARDING YOUR QUESTION ON FUELING AT THE MARINA, IT IS DONE AT OTHER MARINAS IN THE TOWN LIKE THE BLUFFS AND JUPITER YACHT CLUB.
IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO LOOK AT THAT AS A LIMITATION, IT COULD BE ADDED AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
>> THANK YOU. THIS IS STILL ON STAFF.
THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS THAT THAT CONSIDER PARKING FOR THE SLIPS AS WELL.
>> YES. THE CODE IS ONE PARKING SPACE PER SLIP.
>> IS THAT REALISTIC IN YOUR EXPERIENCE?
I BELIEVE IT GETS MORE INTENSE BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE BOATS.
THE BOAT LENGTH THAT'S IN THE CONDITIONS IS ABOUT WHEN YOU START TRANSITIONING FROM MID SIZED BOATS TO LARGER BOATS.
>> ARE THERE RESERVED SPACES FOR THE SLIPS OR GRAB BAG FOR PARKING?
>> THAT WOULD BE THE PART OF THE OPERATIONS OF WHICH SLIP YOU'RE RENTING.
THE STAFF ORIGINALLY RECOMMENDED A 35 FEET AS OF MAX.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU START GETTING TO A 40 FOOT SIZE BOAT, YOU START NEEDING ADDITIONAL STAFF TO MAINTAIN AND RUN THE BOAT.
THEN BOATS GET BIGGER AND YOU NEED A CABIN, AND THERE'S JUST MORE TO DO WHEN YOU HAVE LARGER BOATS IF THE CUTOFF IS AROUND BEING ABLE TO CAPTAIN YOUR OWN BOAT AND MAINTAIN IT IS AROUND 30, 35 FEET.
>> I DO LIVE ON THE RIVER, AND I SEE THESE 40 FOOTERS OFTEN AND THEY'RE USUALLY HALF A DOZEN OR MORE PEOPLE.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THESE BOATS REGARDLESS OF WHO'S CAPTAIN IN IT.
STAFF, CAPTAINS, CREW BECOME NECESSARY.
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A LOT OF THESE BOATS HAVE OTHER MEANS FOR DOCKING, SO THAT BECOMES LESS IMPORTANT, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE MORE THAN ONE CAR PER BOAT BEING USED OUT THERE.BACK TO THE RESTAURANT, IS THERE AN ADA RAMP GOING IN? I SEE STEPS AT THE FRONT.
I SAW AN OAK TREE BEING RELOCATED AT A FOUR FOOT DIAMETER OAK TREE.
>> YES. CURRENTLY, WHAT'S HAPPENING IS BECAUSE OF THE HIGH TIDES, THE BRACKISH WATERS IMPACTING THE HEALTH OF THE TREE.
IT WAS DECIDED WITH THE NATURAL RESOURCE COORDINATOR SUPERVISOR THAT THE BEST THING FOR THE TREE, AND CONSISTENT WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT OVERLAY AREA IS TO PRESERVE THE TREE AND RAISE IT UP A HIGHER ELEVATION.
>> IN THE SAME LOCATIONS, IT CAN BE RELOCATED ON THE PROPERTY?
>> IT'S GOING TO BE MOVED TO THE BENEFIT OF THE RESTAURANT.
>> ANY FEEL FOR A SUCCESS RATE ON MOVING A TREE THAT LARGE?
>> PRETTY WELL GIVEN IT'S ALIVE OAK.
>> WHAT WAS THE REASONING FOR STAFF WHEN PLANNING AND ZONING RECOMMENDED THE INCREASE IN LENGTH OF THE BOATS FROM 35 TO 40?
>> I DON'T RECALL IF THE APPLICANT MADE A COMPELLING ARGUMENT TO GO LONG, WALK LONGER AND THEY SUGGESTED THE LONGER WIDTH.
>> THE WAY IT'S SET UP RIGHT NOW IS THE SLIPS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED ABLE TO HANDLE THE BEAM OF A 40 FOOT BOAT?
>> THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU.
>> QUESTION FOR NOW FOR THE APPLICANT.
PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MADE SOME SIX RECOMMENDATIONS.
ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH THOSE OR DID YOU HAVE OBJECTIONS TO ANY OF THOSE?
>> YES. WE WERE FINE WITH THOSE.
>> WHEN IT COMES TO BOAT FUELING, BOAT MAINTENANCE, WHERE ARE YOU GUYS ON THAT? DO YOU WANT TO ALLOW FUEL TRUCKS ON THE PROPERTY?
>> I HONESTLY. BYRON, IF YOU WANT TO COME UP AND TOUCH ON THE FUELING OF THESE BOATS?
>> I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE FUELED ANY DIFFERENTLY THAN THE 20 PLUS BOATS THAT ARE IN THAT CANAL CURRENTLY TODAY.
>> WELL, THIS IS A TIME FOR QUESTIONS.
IF MR. BYRON HAS AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION, HE CAN COME UP AND ANSWER IT.
>> I WOULD THINK FUELING AT THE DOCKS IS AN ISSUE.
I WATCHED MOST OF THE P&Z MEETING, AND A GENTLEMAN GET UP THERE.
HE WAS IN SOME MARINE INDUSTRY.
HE WAS TALKING ABOUT LIFTS, BUT THESE AREN'T LIFTS. THESE ARE SLIPS.
I THINK THEY DO WANT TO DO LIFTS ON THESE AS WELL.
>> YEAH. THEM OUT OF THE WATER.
FOR BOATS OF THIS EXPENSE, THEY WANT TO GET THEM OUT OF THE WATER.
>> IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF GROWTH ON THOSE BOATS QUICKLY.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE SCRUBBING THOSE BOATS EVERY TWO OR THREE WEEKS IN THEIR CANAL [OVERLAPPING] WE HAVEN'T BUTTONED UP THE IDEA OF MAINTENANCE ON THIS BECAUSE IT'S EASIER TO MAINTAIN A BOAT IN A SLIP THAN IT IS ON A LIP.
DO WE WANT PEOPLE GASSING FUELING UP THESE BOATS ON THESE SLIPS THERE? I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT, SO I DIDN'T HAVE THAT BUTTONED UP AT PLAN PLANNING AND ZONING, SO I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT. IT WAS NOT BROUGHT UP.
FOR THE LEGAL ASPECT OF BOAT, WHAT ABOUT BOAT PARTNERSHIPS? WHEN YOU HAVE A FEW PEOPLE PRIVATE RESIDENTS PURCHASING A BOAT, BUT THEY'RE NOT COMMERCIAL.
IS THAT INCLUDED? ANYBODY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT A TIKI BOAT DOWN THERE.
WE DON'T WANT CHARTER GUYS GOING IN AND OUT OF THERE.
MARY, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT?
>> WELL, THERE IS A RESTRICTION.
THERE'S NO COMMERCIAL VESSELS.
>> THE BOATS CAN'T BE BE IN A CORPORATION, THEY CAN'T BE A COMPANY NAME.
WHAT IF YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF GUYS GET THEY BUY A BOAT, BUT THEY'RE LIKE A PARTNERSHIP AND THEY'RE [INAUDIBLE]?
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>> THAT'S WHAT THE APPLICANT HAD MADE A SUBSTITUTE CONDITION BUT THEY DIDN'T BRING IT UP TONIGHT, SO THEY WERE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE.
YOU HAVE TO BE AN INDIVIDUAL [OVERLAPPING].
>> I JUST WANT TO COVER ALL THE BASES OF ISSUES THAT COULD POP UP, SO THAT'S IT FOR NOW.
>> THANK YOU. I HAD SEEN SOMETHING ABOUT THE CLEAN MARINA ACTION PLAN.
CAN THE STAFF OR APPLICANT SPEAK TO WHAT THE COMPONENTS OF THAT PLAN MAY BE? THERE WAS A QUESTION OF JUST ENFORCEMENT OF SOME OF THESE ASPECTS OF CLEANING UP THIS CANAL, THE MANGROVE PLANTINGS.
I HEARD FROM THE INTERVENER, SOMETHING ABOUT POLLUTION.
JUST THE CLEAN MARINA ACTION PLAN, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT?
>> THE CLEAN MARINA ACTION PLAN IS BASED ON DEPS REGULATIONS.
IT'S PRETTY WELL ESTABLISHED AND IT ADDRESSES THINGS LIKE HOW TO CLEAN UP SPILLS, HOW TO PROPERLY PUT AWAY YOUR SPENT LINE.
THEY HAVE THOSE PVC PIPES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE WOULD REFER TO WHAT DEP NORMALLY DOES, BUT IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO ADD RELATED TO THE ENVIRONMENT OR SPECIFIC TO THAT, WE COULD ADD THOSE AS CONDITIONS AND ADDRESS IT AS PART OF THE CLEAN MARINA PLAN AS WELL.
>> THIS WOULD MOSTLY BE MONITORED THROUGH CODE ENFORCEMENT AFTERWARD.
>> THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW IT'S DONE.
>> TO MY COLLEAGUES FOR NOW IS ONCE I'M DONE.
>> ONE MORE TWO, SO YOU GO AHEAD.
FIRST OF STAFF, THIS WAS A QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED BY ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES.
BUT IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING AND, I LET THE THREE BOAT OWNERS GO FIRST.
BECAUSE Y'ALL KNOW BETTER THAN I KNOW ON THAT.
BUT I THOUGHT SOMEBODY HAD INDICATED THAT AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, THE LENGTH OF BOAT WAS DUE TO A DEFINITION.
I THOUGHT I REMEMBER READING IN A MINUTES THAT IT WAS JUST CLARIFYING WHERE THE 40 FOOT IS MEASURED.
I IMAGINE THAT OR DID I READ THAT?
>> ARE YOU REFERRING FROM THE TIP OF THE BOW TO THE VERY BACK OF THE MOTOR WAS AN OUTWARD?
>> IF YOU ASKED ABOUT THE CHANGE, AND I THOUGHT I READ IN THE MINUTES THAT THE CHANGE HAD TO DO WITH WHERE THE MEASUREMENT WAS TAKEN.
>> COULD BE WATER LINE OR TIP OF THE PULP.
>> WELL, JUST TO FIND HERE WHAT 40 FEET IS, CORRECT?
IF YOU REFER TO PAGE G OF THE RESOLUTION, CONDITION 7A1, THE MAXIMUM LENGTH IS LIMITED TO NO MORE THAN 40 FEET IN LENGTH OVERALL.
AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED, IT WAS 35 FEET AT THE WATER LINE.
I THINK SOME OF THE CONSIDERATION TO THE EARLIER QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED, IS THAT, THERE WAS SOME RECOGNITION WITH THE CHANGE IN THE WAY IT'S MEASURED.
IT WAS CLOSER TO BEING THE SAME BECAUSE THE OVERALL LENGTH IS MORE THAN WHAT IS AT THE WATER LINE?
>> THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT I RECOLLECTED.
I READ THESE THINGS TO LEARN. I DON'T KNOW IT.
I HEARD BOTH THE APPLICANT AND THE INTERVENER SAY SOMETHING THAT I THINK WAS A LITTLE BIT INCONSISTENT WITH MY UNDERSTANDING, AND IT HAS TO DO WITH SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
I'M REALLY JUST GOING TO REFER TO A SECTION OF THE CODE AND ASK YOU.
STAFF HAD DETERMINED THAT AND THIS IS IN YOUR REPORT, PAGE 20, THAT THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION CRITERIA FOR MARINA USE, WASN'T MET, BUT IT WAS MET BY OTHER, AND I THINK YOU MADE USE OF CODE SECTION 27177 CRITERIA FOR SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS ITEM B,
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WHICH SAYS, SHOULD THE TOWN COUNCIL, AND OF COURSE, STAFF DOES THAT FOR US BEFORE YOU GET HERE THAT WE GET HERE, DETERMINE THAT THE PROPOSED SPECIAL EXCEPTION USE IS NOT CONSISTENT, BUT THE CRITERIA OUTLINE IN SUBSECTION A OF THIS SECTION, WHICH IS WHAT YOU IDENTIFIED, THE COUNCIL MAY EITHER DENY THE APPLICATION OR REQUIRE SUCH CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AS MAY BE NECESSARY TO PRODUCE A DEVELOPMENT THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THESE CRITERIA.THAT'S THE CODE BY WHICH STAFF RECOMMENDED SOME OF THESE CONDITIONS.
THEREFORE, YOU WOULD SAY THAT IT COMPLIES BY VIRTUE OF THAT?
>> THAT'S CORRECT. THEN THERE WERE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS TO TRY TO MITIGATE THE CONCERNS THAT CAME UP FROM THE TESTIMONY AT THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, WHICH RESULTED THEM ADDING THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE REVIEWED BY, MR. SCHNEIDER, EARLIER.
>> THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO DO.
>> IF THE COUNCIL FINDS DIFFERENT BASED ON THERE'S ADDITIONAL TESTIMONY THAT'S BEEN GIVEN TONIGHT, AND QUESTIONING THAT'S OCCURRING, IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT THE COUNCIL FEELS ARE NECESSARY TO MEET THAT STANDARD OR IF THE STANDARDS IN YOUR OPINION ARE NOT MET, YOU CAN EITHER ADD ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS OR DENY THE REQUEST.
>> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT PUBLIC UNDERSTOOD THAT WE APPEAR AND STAFF PAY VERY CLOSE ATTENTION TO SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE APPROVE THEM WITHIN THE CODE.
THANK YOU. JUST ONE ITEM FOR THE APPLICANT.
I'M GOING TO ASK YOU ABOUT A POTENTIAL CHANGE IN A CONDITION THAT I HOPE YOU'RE GOING TO SAY, YES, YOU AGREE TO.
THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATION, COLLABORATIONS ABOUT THE MARINA IN ITS ENTIRETY, AND THERE'S A CONDITION IN THE RESOLUTION ITEM 7D THAT SAYS ANY REQUEST TO INCREASE THE SLIPS TO ACCOMMODATE VESSELS OF MORE THAN 40 FEET REQUIRES AN AMENDMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER, AND SHALL BE SUBJECT TO THE REVIEW OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND APPROVAL BY THE TOWN COUNCIL.
I HOPE YOU'RE GOING TO SAY YES, BUT THAT'S NOT A SET UP.
ULTIMATELY, IT'S OUR PREROGATIVE ANYWAY.
BUT WOULD THE APPLICANT BE OKAY, IF WE WOULD SAY ANY REQUEST TO CHANGE ANY OF THE OBLIGATIONS FOR MARINA THAT HAS TO COME BACK TO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
MARINA IS PRETTY WELL-VETTED, PRETTY WELL-DEFINED IN HERE.
WHAT YOU COMMITTED TO DO, I'M SURE AS YOU STAND BEFORE ME, THERE'S NO INTENTION TO COME AND ASK FOR A CHANGE, BUT JUST TO ADDRESS THAT.
I'M JUST SUGGESTING A LANGUAGE CHANGE.
AGAIN, IT GO BEYOND INCREASING SLIPS TO BE THE CRITERIA FOR MARINA.
>> ABSOLUTELY. ANY CHANGE TO THAT MARINA, WE WOULD DEFINITELY COME BACK TO THE TOWN COUNCIL.
>> THAT EXPANDS WHAT HAS TO COME BACK TO US AND CAN'T BE HANDLED AT A STAFF LEVEL, AND THEN THAT CREATES TRANSPARENCY FOR THE PUBLIC.
>> STAFF UNDERSTAND THAT ASK? MOVING BACK TO MY COLLEAGUES THAT FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS.
>> YES. BUT THIS IS FOR STAFF.
AS DIVE BOATS TO COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS, SO DIVE BOATS ARE PROHIBITED?
>> IT'S STILL COMMERCIAL OPERATION.
>> IS THAT BUILT INTO THE LEASE? HOW ARE WE GOING TO RESTRICT THAT? HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE?
>> THE APPLICANT. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT THAT THEN, PLEASE.
THERE'S SOME CONDITIONS BEING APPLIED TO THIS CAN BE MORE THAN 40, NO COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY, NO CHARTERS, NO DIVE BOATS.
>> YES. IT DEFINITELY WILL BE, AND THEY DON'T WANT THAT AS WELL, SO IT WOULD BE BUILT INTO THE LEASE, NO COMMERCIAL BOATS, EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE MENTIONED WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED.
>> WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO SAY NO FUELING OF BOATS? I HAVE LEASE.
>> IF THAT IS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, YES,
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WE WOULD BE WILLING TO ACCEPT NO FUELING OF THE BOATS IN THIS MARINA.>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION.
TROY, COULD YOU PULL UP THE OVERVIEW OF OF THE SITE?
>> THE REASON I ASKED ABOUT THE FUELING, POTENTIAL SPILLS, OBVIOUSLY.
WE'RE JUXTAPOSING THE RESTAURANT AND THE MARINA TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES, REALLY NOT RELATED.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE GATED OFF WITH DECORATIVE GATES, SO PEOPLE CAN'T ACCESS THE RESTAURANT BY BOAT, UNLESS YOU LEASE A SLIP?
>> I WAS JUST WONDERING DO YOU WANT A FUEL TRUCK COMING INTO YOUR PROPERTY AT SOME POINT, AND WHERE WOULD THEY GET THE HOSE DOWN? I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT WERE THE LOGISTICS OF THAT.
WAS THAT INVOLVED IN THIS OR NO?
>> WE WOULDN'T LIKE A FUEL TRUCK BECAUSE WE DON'T MAKE ANY MONEY ON THAT EITHER, SO RIGHT.
>> SHOULD WE MAKE NO FUELING PART OF THIS APPLICATION PROCESS? I DON'T WANT TO HARM ANYBODY HERE, BUT I KNOW PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THE CANAL PROBABLY WOULDN'T WANT FUELING AND BOAT MAINTENANCE AT THE DOCKS.
I JUST WANT TO COVER ALL THE BASES.
>> PUT NO FUELING INTO THE APPLICATION. YOU GOT THAT.
>> WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO LIMIT THE LEASE TO ONE VEHICLE PER SLIP? WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO WRITE THAT INTO THE LEASE?
>> I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN ENFORCE THAT.
>> THAT'S THE WAY THE SITE PLAN CURRENTLY INDICATES A ONE SPACE PER SLIP.
>> YOU JUST WRITE IT IN THE LEASE, AND THEN WHETHER THEY VIOLATED OR NOT IT'S UP TO YOUR TENANT, BUT YOU COULD WRITE IT INTO THE LEASE.
>> THAT THEY ONLY CAN PARK ONE CAR PER [OVERLAPPING]
>> ONE CAR IS ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTY PER SLIP.
>> HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO THE RESTAURANT, FOR EXAMPLE? I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE VERY HARD TO [OVERLAPPING]
>> YOU CAN PUT IT IN THE LEASE. ABSOLUTELY.
>> MAYOR, WE'RE GETTING OFF TRACK HERE.
WHAT THEY PUT IN THEIR LEASE IS WHAT THEY PUT IN THEIR LEASE.
WHAT YOU HAVE CONTROL OVER IS THE CONDITIONS TO ANY APPROVAL YOU MIGHT.
YOU ALREADY GOT THIS HEAD DISCUSSION, NO CHARTER, NO DIVE BOATS, NO FUELING OF BOATS AT THE MARINA, NO BOAT MAINTENANCE AT THE DOCKS, SO IF YOU DON'T WANT A FUEL TRUCK TO COME TO THE PROPERTY, THEN ADD A CONDITION THAT SAYS NO FUEL TRUCKS CAN COME TO THE PROPERTY.
>> WELL, JUST ONE MORE ROUND, AND THEN WE'RE DONE WITH QUESTIONS.
>> I'M DONE WITH QUESTIONS. I HAVE COMMENTS FOR DELIBERATION AT THE END OF THAT.
FLOOR IS OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.
>> YES. WE DO. FIRST, WE HAVE MARK RODBERG.
>> HELLO. MY NAME IS MARK RODBERG, 502 OAK TERRACE.
I'M NOT AFFILIATED WITH THIS PROJECT, [NOISE] BUT I'VE BEEN A RESTAURANT DEVELOPER FOR 30 YEARS AND BUILT OVER 100 RESTAURANTS IN FLORIDA OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS FROM KEY WEST TO TALLAHASSEE IN ALL PARTS BEYOND.
SEVERAL OF THOSE HAD BEEN WATERFRONT-ORIENTED, AND THE CONSIDERATION IN MY REVIEW OF THIS STAFF REPORT, QUITE A GOOD JOB.
TO STAFF AND TO THE PLANNERS TO ACCOMPLISH THIS AND GET IT TO THE POINT OF A RECOMMENDATION BY THE P&Z AND BY THE STAFF.
ADDITIONALLY, THAT, IF YOU ASK PEOPLE TO ASSOCIATE JUPITER, I'D SAY THE LIGHTHOUSE AND THEY'D SAY BOATS, ENOUGH THAT WE HAVE ONE IN OUR LOGO HERE.
I BELIEVE THE CLASSIFICATION OF MORE THAN TWO SLIPS BY YOUR CODE IS DEFINED AS A MARINA, BUT FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, WHAT I SEE, THIS WILL BE SLIPS, WHERE PRIVATE PEOPLE KEEP THEIR BOATS ADJACENT TO FLAGLER WHARF WITH THE ELIMINATION OF ANY FUELING, AND ONE GENTLEMAN POINTED OUT EXPENSIVE BOATS AND THEY'RE VALUED BY THEIR OWNERS, AND THEY'RE TAKEN CARE OF,
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AND THEY GIVE A LOT OF CONSIDERATION TO A VESSEL OF THAT TYPE, AND I NOTICED SHE DIDN'T HAVE A LIMIT ON THE SMALL BOATS, BUT THEY'LL BE NOT ALL 40 FOOT BOATS.I WENT THROUGH THE LANDSCAPE AND I THINK THEY MEET OR EXCEED THE CODE SIGNIFICANTLY.
I THINK A LOT OF THOUGHT WENT INTO THIS.
I THINK THE ARCHITECTURAL SAYS JUPITER.
I THINK IT'S BEAUTIFULLY DESIGNED AND WELL DONE, AND I APPLAUD STAFF THOROUGHNESS WITH WHOEVER THE PLANNERS WERE THIS PROJECT AND WHAT IT'S GONE THROUGH.
I'VE SPENT A LOT OF YEARS GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH REVIEW FOR PLAN REVIEW AND SITE REVIEW.
WE WERE FULL SCALE DEVELOPER OF RESTAURANTS, AS OPPOSED TO JUST A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY.
I APPLAUD THE CITY AND I SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU.
>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS RAY RICHARDS.
MY WIFE AND I JUST RECENTLY MOVED TO JUPITER, PURCHASED A HOUSE AT 317 OLD JUPITER BEACH ROAD.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ALMOST STOPPED US PURCHASING IT WAS THE LOT.
THE LOT THAT'S THERE NOW, IT LOOKS TERRIBLE. LOOK AT THIS.
IT'S BEAUTIFUL. I THINK I RECOMMEND IF YOU COULD, PLEASE APPROVE THIS THING AND LET'S GET IT ROLLING AND GET THAT STREET CLEANED UP. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT.
>> GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR THE ROLE THAT YOU ALL PLAY IN THE HARD WORK THAT YOU DO FOR OUR TOWN.
I'VE LIVED IN JUPITER SINCE 1986.
I THINK YOU'RE DOING A FABULOUS JOB.
I LIVE AT 317 OLD JUPITER BEACH ROAD.
I THINK THEY HAVE COMPLIED WITH EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE ASKED OF THEM.
I AM TOTALLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT.
>> WAYNE POSNER, 315 CARINA DRIVE, JUPITER, FLORIDA.
I USED TO LIVE AT 1015 TOWN HALL AVENUE ON A PRIVATE COVE.
I HAD THREE BOAT LIFTS IN MY OWN HOUSE.
TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A LOT OF BOATS IN A SMALL SPOT.
I LIVED THERE. IT WAS A PLEASURE. IT WAS GREAT.
THEY REFUELED RIGHT ON MY STREET ALL THE TIME.
IT WASN'T A BIG DEAL. THERE WAS NEVER AN ACCIDENT AND I LIVED THERE 16 YEARS.
WE CAN'T GO ON THE WHAT IFS OR THE FEAR OR WHAT'S GOING TO BE.
BY SAYING, OH, THEY HAVE TO COME BACK, ONCE YOU BUILD THIS BUILDING, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ANOTHER BUILDING 60 FEET HIGH.
THIS ONE IS ONLY WHATEVER IT IS, 24 FEET HIGH.
ONCE IT'S ON THE PROPERTY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ANOTHER COUNCIL COMING IN HERE AND BUILDING A BIGGER BUILDING.
USE BY RIGHT IS WHAT HE'S DOING.
USE BY RIGHT REALLY ALLOWS FOR A BIGGER BUILDING.
I THINK THEY'RE DOING A BEAUTIFUL JOB.
I DON'T REMEMBER HEARING ANYTHING ABOUT A BAR OR DRINKS OR ANY OF THAT WITHOUT COMING BACK TO THE COUNCIL, AND I DON'T PERCEIVE THAT WOULD EVER HAPPEN ANYWAY.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE A CAFE, BREAKFAST PLACE, AND IT'S RIGHT ON THE WATER WOULD BE A BEAUTIFUL ADDITION.
IT CERTAINLY WOULD ENHANCE THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTIES THERE INSTEAD OF HAVING A VACANT LOT.
THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
THE INTERVENER PERSON HAD A BEAUTIFUL SPEECH.
I REALLY ADMIRE FOR WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
I HOPE IN THE FUTURE THAT HE'S GOING TO LIKE THIS PROJECT, IT'S GOING TO INCREASE THE VALUE OF HIS PROPERTY.
KNOWING THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO RUN THIS, THEY'RE VERY COGNIZANT OF EVERYBODY AROUND THEM.
THEY'RE VERY PEACEFUL PEOPLE AND THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP A CLEAN OPERATION.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU SAY YES TO ONE THING, YOU'D BE SAYING NO AND VICE VERSA.
YOU SAY YES TO THIS, IT IS WHAT IT IS, AND IT WON'T CHANGE.
I THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT.
BEING A BUILDER FOR 42 YEARS, I SAY IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT.
>> MY NAME IS KENT EISMANN. I LIVE AT 111 OLD JUPITER BEACH ROAD.
I THINK THE RESTAURANT IS BEAUTIFUL.
I THINK IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT TO THE PROPERTY.
I LIVE ON THERE AND I HAVE A BOAT ON THE WATER THERE.
IT'S A VERY SMALL TIGHT CANAL.
TWELVE MORE 40-FOOT BOATS TRYING IN AND OUT OF THE WATERWAY AND PEOPLE COMING DOWN THE RESTAURANT TO SEE THE RESTAURANT EVEN IF THEY CAN'T GET IN.
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IT'S GOING TO MAKE IT JUST IMPOSSIBLE.IT'S ALL YOU CAN DO TO GET OUT ONE BOAT AT A TIME, MUCH LESS TWO BOATS PASSING IN THAT WATERWAY.
I THINK THE DESIGN ON THE 12 BOAT SLIPS IS TWICE AS MANY AS THEY SHOULD HAVE.
WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT ONE SLIP FOR A CAR PER BOAT, THAT'S NOT EVEN REALISTIC.
WHERE IS ALL THESE CARS GOING TO BE AND WHERE ALL THESE PEOPLE ON THE BOAT GOING TO BE? BUT I KNOW WE'LL BE HOOPING AND HOLLERING DOWN THE WATERWAY LIKE THE BOATS THAT USED TO BE IN THE NON-DESIGNATED MARINA THAT WAS THERE.
THEY'D COME IN ALL OUT OF THE NIGHT, SCREAMING, YELLING, DRINKING.
WE HAD A LOT OF THAT, AND IT'S BEEN REALLY NICE AND PEACEFUL FOR A LONG TIME.
I JUST HOPE THAT THIS DOESN'T JUST IMPACT OUR WATERWAY AND MAKE IT JUST A BIG PARTY PLACE.
THAT'S WHAT I THINK BECAUSE OF THE SLIPS ON IT WITH THE RESTAURANT.
I THINK THE RESTAURANT IS BEAUTIFUL AND I THINK IT WILL REALLY INCREASE THE PROPERTY VALUES.
BUT I THINK THERE'S TOO MANY BOATS GOING IN THERE. THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY.
>> MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME, EFFORT AND ENERGY THAT HAVE BEEN PUT INTO THIS PROJECT.
THRILLED TO DEATH WITH THE PATIENCE AND TENACITY OF THE DEVELOPERS TO STICK WITH THESE EIGHT YEARS AND MULTIPLE PROPOSALS OF DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS FOR THE IMPROVEMENT.
I KNOW THE REFERENCE TO THE MOBILE HOME IS NOT ALWAYS WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO REFER TO, BUT THE INCREDIBLE IMPROVEMENT OF EVEN CLEARING IT.
IN 1960, IT PROBABLY MADE SENSE FOR THAT MOBILE HOME PARK.
WHAT WE LOOK AT TODAY IS WHAT MAY MAKE SENSE THAT WILL ENHANCE THE COMMUNITY.
I'M CERTAIN MANY OF THESE HOMEOWNERS WILL WALK TO THAT CAFE AND ENJOY IT.
THEY MAY EVEN HAVE A PLACE FOR THE DOGS TO PARK AND HAVE SIT AND ENJOY.
BUT I AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT AND THINK IT ENHANCES THE COMMUNITY AND WILL ENHANCE THE PROPERTY VALUE SIGNIFICANTLY. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC SERVICE TOO.
I'M KEVIN SMITH, 261 OLD JUPITER BEACH ROAD.
THE ISSUE THAT I WANT TO FOCUS ON IS WHETHER OR NOT THE APPLICANT HAS MET THEIR BURDEN OF PROOF THAT THIS PROJECT WILL NOT BE A DETRIMENT TO THE RESIDENTS OF THAT CANAL ON OLD JUPITER BEACH ROAD.
THAT'S THE ISSUE. TO DO THAT, YOU ALL WALKED IT, SO I'M GLAD YOU DID.
LET ME JUST GIVE YOU A LITTLE PICTURE OF MY LITTLE CANAL ON MY LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD STREET.
WE SIT BACK THERE ON THE BACK.
I CAN CAST A ZERO SPOOK ACROSS THE CANAL AND HIT MY NEIGHBOR'S YARD.
TWO BOATS GOING OPPOSITE WAYS CAN BARELY DO IT.
WE HAVE DOGS, WE HAVE KIDS, ALL OF US HAVE KIDS. WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? IF YOU PUT 12 BOAT SLIPS AND A BAR AND A RESTAURANT, THIS CAFE THING IS NONSENSE.
YOU CAN SERVE ALL THE VODKAS YOU WANT IN THAT PLACE AS LONG AS YOU'RE SERVING DINNERS.
WHO'S RUNNING THESE BOATS? YOU'VE LIVED ON THE RIVER YOUR WHOLE LIFE.
WE SEE THE TEENAGERS GOING BY ON BOATS, RAISING HELL AND HOOTING AND HOLLERING, ARE THEY GOING TO COME DOWN MY CANAL, IGNORING A WAKE ZONE, AND GO DOWN TO THAT? ARE THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THE SLIPS HAVE TEENAGERS THAT ARE GOING TO GO BACK AND FORTH IN THIS CANAL IN THE DARK? ARE THEY GOING TO JUMP IN MY POOL? ARE THEY GOING TO BE DRUNK AND STEAL STUFF OFF MY BOAT, SITTING ON MY LIFT? YOU CAN TOUCH THE BOATS ON BOTH SIDES ALMOST IF YOU GO BY IN A BIG BOAT DOWN MY CANAL. WHAT IS? IS IT A DETRIMENT TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THAT CANAL TO HAVE THIS PROJECT WITH PEOPLE WHO CAN DRINK? IT DOESN'T SAY WHO CAN RUN THE BOATS.
THE TEENAGERS CAN ALL GET TOGETHER, GO OVER TO CATO'S, COME BACK TO THAT THING AT MIDNIGHT, AND THEY CAN THROW BOTTLES IN MY YARD, THEY CAN STEAL MY DOG, THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT.
ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO ASSIGN POLICE ACTIVITY TO THIS CANAL WHEN PEOPLE ARE VIOLATING THE WAKE ZONES ALL THE TIME, TO WHERE I'VE GOT TO ASK JUPITER POLICE TO PUT ONE OF THEIR BOATS OR ONE OF OUR GUYS ON THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE ABIDED BY ALL THESE RULES AND ALL THESE LIMITATIONS OF CAPTAINS? HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE GONE TO BARS IN OUR BEAUTIFUL JUPITER? MOST OF THE BARS ARE FACING THE INTER-COASTAL OR FACING THE INLET TO WHERE ALL THIS NOISE, SMELL, GARBAGE.
IT DOESN'T COME INTO PLAY FROM NEIGHBORS.
BUT WHO'S TO SAY WHEN YOU GET A BAR, HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE DROPPED OFF PEOPLE TO GO BOOZE IN AT THE SQUARE GROUPER OR AT THE TIKI OR WHEREVER? JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN'T PULL IN THERE AND GET A SLIP AND HAVE SOMEBODY TIE YOU UP, DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T DROP 10 PEOPLE OFF THERE TO DRINK.
GO BACK, GO PARTY, DO WHATEVER, COME BACK AND PICK THEM UP WHEN THE PLACE CLOSES.
THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT WE ALL KNOW GO ON AT THESE BARS AND RESTAURANTS THAT ARE FUN, BUT THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE FUN AT THE DETRIMENT OF OUR LITTLE STREET.
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I JUST ASK YOU TO TAKE THOSE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION.PAINT THE LITTLE PICTURE OF OUR LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD IN OUR ONE LITTLE STREET, WHETHER WE JUPITER NEEDS THIS ONE MORE BAR.
I CAN REMEMBER SINCE IT OPENED. I LOVE THE PLACE.
EVERYTHING MR. BORG DOES IS GOING TO HAVE GOLD ON IT.
>> HELLO, AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THE FLAGLER WHARF PROJECT.
I LIVE AT 100 EGANFUSKEE STREET.
I'VE BEEN LIVING THERE FOR THE PAST SEVEN YEARS AND HAVE BEEN LIVING IN JUPITER FOR 17 YEARS.
I LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT AND HAVE SEEN ALL THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT PROPOSALS AND HAVE ALSO BEEN AFFECTED BY THE 30,000 CARS THAT HAVE BEEN DIRECTED RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR COMMUNITY AS A RESULT OF THE US 1 BRIDGE CONSTRUCTION.
I ALSO WORK AT INDEX, THE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY FOR THIS PROJECT, TOGETHER WITH MY PARENTS, BJARNE AND MARIA, WHO ALSO LIVE ON THE SAME STREET AS THE PROJECT ON OLD JUPITER BEACH ROAD.
I'VE ALSO SPOKEN TO THE NEIGHBORS ALL AROUND ME THAT HAVE LIVED THERE FOR DECADES, EXPRESSING SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT, KNOWING WHAT USED TO BE THERE.
WE ALL WANT SOMETHING NICE TO BE BUILT HERE, AND THE TEAM HAS BEEN VERY COGNIZANT TO TAKING FEEDBACK AND FEATURE NODS TO JUPITER'S HISTORY, HAVING WORKED CLOSELY AND SUPPORTED BY THE LOXAHATCHEE GUILD FOR THE NEW DEVELOPMENT.
THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WOULD CERTAINLY INCREASE PROPERTY VALUES IN THE AREA, BEING WORLDS BETTER THAN THE FORMER BLIGHTED TRAILER PARK AND COMMERCIAL FISHING MARINA.
I REMEMBER HEARING POLICE THERE ALMOST ON A NIGHTLY BASIS FOR DOMESTIC DISPUTES, GUNSHOTS, DRUG OVERDOSES, AS WELL AS THE NUMEROUS COMMERCIAL FISHING BOATS THAT WOULD COME AND GO MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY, DAY AND NIGHT, LEAK GAS, AND THEN SINK OCCASIONALLY.
THE PALM BEACH PROPERTY APPRAISER WEBSITE ALSO MAKES NOTE THAT THERE HAVE BEEN DOCKS ON THE PROPERTY SINCE 1939, SO THERE SHOULD BE RECORDS AVAILABLE SOMEWHERE POINTING TO THIS.
THERE WAS A FIRE AT THE TOWN OF JUPITER BUILDING AND I BELIEVE THE '60S.
IT'S LIKELY THAT ANY RECORDS IN REGARDS TO DOCKS PROBABLY BURNED DOWN WITH THE BUILDING, IF THAT COULD BE THE CASE.
AS A LONGTIME RESIDENT OF BOTH OLD JUPITER BEACH ROAD AND EGANFUSKEE STREET, I RECOGNIZE THAT THE PROPOSED ALLERGY FRIENDLY CONCEPT WILL BE WELCOME TO THE COMMUNITY, AND LOOK FORWARD TO FREQUENTING, AS WELL AS SEEING THE UPDATED MARINA BEING CALMER AND SIGNIFICANTLY PRETTIER THAN ITS FORMER USE.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE IT KNOWN THAT AS A PERSON THAT WILL PROBABLY BE MOST AFFECTED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT.
I BELIEVE THIS TO BE THE BEST USE FOR THE PROPERTY, AND I'M PLEDGING MY SUPPORT AS A DIRECT NEIGHBOR FOR THE PROJECT AND SEE IT AS A BENEFIT TO THE LARGER COMMUNITY.
I LOOK FORWARD TO ENVISIONING MY MOTHER'S DREAM OF AN ALLERGY FRIENDLY CAFE, BECOMING A JUPITER STAPLE THAT WE CAN ALL BE PROUD OF, BUILT BY JUPITER LOCALS, FOR LOCALS AND VISITORS.
I HOPE YOU VOTE IN FAVOR OF FLAGLER WHARF AND HAVE A GREAT REST OF YOUR EVENING.
>> RODERICK NASSIF, I LIVE ON 200 EGANFUSKEE.
RIGHT ACROSS FROM MATT, RIGHT ACROSS FROM SMITH.
WE IN THIS COMMUNITY ENJOY OUR RESIDENTIAL AREA.
YOU'RE PUTTING A COMMERCIAL RESTAURANT BAR IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
IF YOU GUYS APPROVE IT, THIS IS A VERY UNSAFE AREA.
I'M A VERY AVID BOATER, AND TRYING TO GET TWO BOATS DOWN THAT CANAL IN THE DARK IS GOING TO BE DANGEROUS.
THERE'S A BUNCH OF PADDLE BOATERS BACK THERE, ARE GOING TO GET RAN OVER, IT'S GOING TO BE A MESS.
FIRST OF ALL, ALL THESE PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME UP AND APPROVED IT DON'T LIVE ON THE WATER.
THEY'RE NOT BEING AFFECTED BY THIS RESTAURANT.
I WILL BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THIS RESTAURANT BEING BUILT BACK THERE.
THE OTHER THING THAT NO ONE'S REALLY SAYING ABOUT IS IF YOU LOOK ON THEIR SITE PLAN, THERE'S A BIG OPEN AREA THAT THEY HAVEN'T COMMITTED TO.
WHAT'S GOING TO GO THERE? WHAT MORE PARKING IS GOING BE OVER THERE? THIS THING ABOUT HAVING ONE SLIP PER BOAT IS RIDICULOUS.
COME ON, 40-FOOT BOAT AND YOU'RE GOING TO ONE CAR SLIP? WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO PARK? THEY'RE GOING TO FILL UP THE RESTAURANT.
WHEN THAT FILLS UP, THEY'RE GOING TO PARK IN THE STREET.
EVERYONE ON OLD JUPITER BEACH ROAD IS GOING TO BE COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE CARS PARKING ON THE STREET, BECAUSE THERE SHOULD BE NO PARKING.
THIS HAS NOT BEEN THOUGHT OUT.
THIS HAS NOT BEEN PLANNED PROPERLY.
THE PLAN AND ZONING COMMITTEE SAYING ONE BOAT PER SLIP IS RIDICULOUS.
IF YOU HAVE A 30 OR 40 FOOT BOAT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A TRAILER FOR IT.
WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO GET THE SERVICE DONE? IT'S GOING TO BE DONE AT THE MARINA.
WHO'S GOING TO POLICE THIS MARINA, SAYING THAT SOMEONE'S COMING TO SERVICE THE BOAT? IS CODE COMPLIANCE GOING TO COME AND SAY THAT?
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THE OTHER ISSUE IS DRAINAGE.IN THE LAST 18 MONTHS, MY CANAL NOW IS FILLED WITH OIL AND IS FROM THAT SPILLOVER THAT YOU GUYS PUT IN, DRAINED FROM THE INDUSTRIAL PARK ACROSS THE STREET.
NOW WE'RE GOING TO DUMP MORE OIL AND BRACKISH DIRTY WATER INTO MY CANAL.
THE MULLET RUN THIS YEAR WAS TERRIBLE, BECAUSE NOTHING'S GROWING BACK THERE.
THERE'S NOT ENOUGH FLOW BACK THERE AND YOU GUYS DUMPING MORE POLLUTED DIRTY WATER INTO MY RESIDENTIAL CANAL IS HORRIBLE.
YOU GUYS ARE PUTTING MORE DRAINAGE FROM THE INDUSTRIAL PARK IN THERE.
THERE'S A SHEEN OF OIL IN THAT WATER EVERY DAY NOW, ESPECIALLY AFTER IT RAINS.
NONE OF US IN THE COMMUNITY ARE FOR THIS WHO LIVE ON THE WATER.
PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIVE ON THE WATER, IT'S NOT TO BE AFFECTED.
SURE, THEY PROBABLY JUST ANYTHING BETTER THAN THE TRAILER PARK, BUT THERE CAN BE SOMETHING BETTER THAN THE RESTAURANT BACK THERE IN BAR.
>> GOOD EVENING. RAMSAY BULKELEY.
FOR THE RECORD, 15387 86TH WAY NORTH.
LET ME START OFF BY SAYING THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
I'LL ALSO START BY SAYING I AM IN FULL SUPPORT OF THIS.
THE MAIN REASON IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE TYPES OF THINGS, THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION, IT HAS TO MEET ALL THE STANDARDS OF THE CODE.
TO BACK THAT UP, I'LL JUST BACKTRACK A LITTLE BIT TO SOME OF MY HISTORY AS TO WHY I THINK IT DOES AND WHAT GIVES ME THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR THAT.
MY FIRST JOB AT A SCHOOL AS A PLANNER I WAS ACTUALLY WORKING FOR STEPHANIE THORBURN AND JOHN STICKLEY HERE FOR THE TOWN OF JUPITER.
AFTER I DID THAT FOR QUITE SOME TIME, I WENT AND GOT A LAW DEGREE AND CONCENTRATED ON LANDS AND ZONING AND WORKED AT THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WITH DOUG KOENNICKE DOING ENGINEERING INSPECTION.
I'VE BEEN AROUND THE TOWN FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
MOST RECENTLY, I WORKED FOR PALM BEACH COUNTY LAST 10 YEARS.
LAST POSITION WAS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND ZONING AND BUILDING FOR THE COUNTY.
LAST YEAR I WAS THERE. TWO YEARS AGO, WE DID $2.7 BILLION NEW CONSTRUCTION AND APPROVALS.
ALL THESE KINDS OF APPROVALS, EXCEPTIONS, VARIANCES, I'M VERY FAMILIAR AS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE COUNTY AT THAT TIME GOING THROUGH ALL OF THESE.
ON THAT IS BASED ON MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION THAT THIS APPLICATION DOES MEET ALL THOSE CRITERIA.
IT'S ALSO EVIDENCED BY STAFF REPORT. I'VE REVIEWED THAT.
YES, I KNOW SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS ARE CONCERNED, I GET THAT.
HOWEVER, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT DOES THIS MEET THE STANDARD OF THE CODE, AND IN MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION, IT DOES.
I THINK THE OTHER AGREEMENTS THAT THEY'VE MADE FURTHER ADDRESSES THAT AND GIVES THE TOWN, I BELIEVE SOME MORE COMFORT MOVING FORWARD.
WITH THAT, I SUGGEST YOU PLEASE APPROVE THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
THE RESTAURANT IS A USED BY RIGHT, BUT THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION DOES COMPLY WITH ALL THE CRITERIA. THANK YOU.
>> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR THE RECORD, DONALDSON HEARING 113 ELSA ROAD, JUPITER, FLORIDA, YACHT CLUB STATES, AND I LIVE ON SAWFISH BAY RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER HERE.
FOR THE RECORD, I AM A PROFESSIONAL PLANNER.
I'VE LIVED IN THE TOWN OF JUPITER FOR 56 YEARS, AND I'VE ACTUALLY PRACTICE LAND USE PLANNING AND ZONING IN THIS TOWN FOR 42 YEARS.
I DON'T BELIEVE I'M THAT OLD, BUT I HAPPEN TO BE.
THE RESTAURANTS ARE USED BY RIGHT.
YOU HEARD A LOT OF NOISE ABOUT DRAINAGE AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS.
YOUR STAFF AND ALL THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED THROUGH THE PERMANENT PROCESS ADDRESS EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE ISSUES.
STAFF REPORT CLEARLY CONFIRMS THAT ALL CRITERIA HAVE BEEN SATISFIED.
THERE'S ONE THING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, 12 SLIPS.
IT'S NOT A MARINA. CLASSIFIED BY YOUR CODE.
TWELVE SLIPS, WHERE THEY LOCATED, IN COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
WHAT TYPE OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY? THE MOST INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT IN THE TOWN OF JUPITER, C2.
C2 ACROSS THE CANAL, C2 ON THE PROPERTY.
THE PROPERTY OWNER HAPPENS TO ALSO OWN A PIECE OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST OF THIS.
ALL OF THIS ACTIVITY IS PUSHED AS CLOSE TO THE ROAD AS POSSIBLE.
THERE IS NO DETRIMENTAL IMPACT.
WE TALK ABOUT SPILLS AND THIS AND THAT.
EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE BOAT OWNERS THAT LIVE ON THE WATER, INCLUDING MYSELF ON SAWFISH BAY, REGULARLY HAVE FUEL TRUCKS COME AND DELIVER FUEL TO OUR BOATS.
I'VE LIVED THERE ON SAWFISH BAY FOR 22 YEARS, NOT A SINGLE ISSUE.
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DIE BOATS THAT GO OUT FOUR TIMES A DAY, TWO BOATS, TWO TIMES A DAY, AS WELL AS OTHER COMMERCIAL MARINAS THAT ARE BEHIND OUR HOUSE.THE FOOD YACHT GOES UP AND DOWN THAT CANAL ONCE A WEEK OR SO, THERE'S NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE.
THESE CANALS ARE BIGGER THAN THE CANALS BEHIND ALL OF THE DOLPHIN STREETS AND ON THE NORTH SIDE OF CENTER STREET.
IT'S A BUNCH OF FEAR AND NOISE.
THIS IS CLEARLY COMPATIBLE, AND THERE'S BEEN ABSOLUTELY ZERO COMPETENT EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST THAT ANYTHING WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE RESIDENTS ON THE CANAL.
IT ACTUALLY WILL BE GETTING WIDER AS A RESULT OF WHAT THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO DO.
THE OTHER THING THAT PEOPLE DIDN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT IS HOW OFTEN DO PEOPLE REALLY UTILIZE THEIR BOATS? VERY LITTLE.
MAYBE ONE BOAT WILL GO OUT PER DAY.
I HAVE A BEAUTIFUL 40 FOOT BOAT THAT I OPERATE BY MYSELF.
IT'S EASY TO DO. I DON'T HAVE A CAPTAIN.
I DON'T HAVE PEOPLE COME AND WORK ON MY BOAT. I DO IT.
I TAKE IT OFF SITE TO HAVE IT SERVICED BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SERVICE A BOAT LIKE THAT, SITTING ON THE BACK OF THE BOAT.
YOU CERTAINLY COULDN'T DO IT PROPERLY.
THIS IS COMPATIBLE AND IT'S NOT DETRIMENTAL.
THERE'S A GREAT SHORTAGE OF MARINE FACILITIES IN THIS TOWN.
YOU COULDN'T FIND A 40-FOOT PLACE TO PUT YOUR BOAT IF YOU TRIED TODAY.
THIS IS NEEDED. I SUGGEST THAT YOU SUPPORT THIS TONIGHT. THANK YOU.
>> WILLIAM QUINN. AND THAT'S THE LAST ONE.
>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS WILLIAM QUINN.
I LIVE AT 1,000 NORTH US HIGHWAY 1 UNIT 807 IN JUPITER.
I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF JUPITER FOR 20 YEARS.
I APPRECIATE THE SERVICE OF ALL YOU FOLKS UP HERE.
PRIOR TO MY ARRIVING IN JUPITER, I ALSO WAS ON A ZONING BOARD, MY BACKGROUND AS PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING.
I APPRECIATE THE TIME AND EFFORT THAT YOU ALL PUT INTO YOUR WORK.
I HAVE AN INTERESTING HIGHLIGHT HERE.
I WAS VOLUNTEERING FOR MY TOWN OR MY NEIGHBORHOOD HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION WHEN THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE 1,000 NORTH PROPERTY PROJECT CAME TO LIGHT.
SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS WERE OPPOSED TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
SOME ON REALLY STRONG GROUNDS, THEY PUT UP GOOD ARGUMENTS.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I WOULD SAY THAT EVERYONE ENJOYS THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, THE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY THAT IT'S BROUGHT.
THE OPEN AND VACANT LOT PRIOR TO THAT DEVELOPMENT TAKING PLACE WAS A CONCERN TO ME AND MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS.
THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT HAS A LOT OF SIMILARITIES TO THAT.
I REMEMBER YEARS AGO WALKING OR BIKING PAST THE TRAILER PARK.
IT HAD THAT SAME ELEMENT TO IT THAT YOU WERE UNCERTAIN ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON THERE, NOT WHEN THAT PROPERTY WAS CLEARED.
A VACANT LOT ON A COMMERCIAL FRONTAGE LIKE THIS HAS SOME CHALLENGES.
THAT'S ALL I'LL JUST SAY. I SUPPORT THIS DEVELOPMENT.
I HAVE FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE AS A BUTTER THAT THE PROMISES AND THE EFFORT THAT THE DEVELOPER TOOK TO BE BRINGING UP 1,000 NORTH WAS DELIVERED, AND THEN SOME.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION.
>> MOVING ON, FOR BOTH THE APPLICANT AND STAFF WHO RESERVE TIME, IF YOU HAVE ANY REBUTTAL OR CLOSING ARGUMENTS, APPLICANT FIRST.
>> THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO TOUCH QUICKLY THROUGH SOME OF THE POINTS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP.
THERE'S BEEN A MENTION THAT THIS MIGHT BE AS SHOWN TO US AS A RESIDENTIAL CANAL.
THIS IS NOT A RESIDENTIAL CANAL, IT'S A 60 FOOT CANAL, WHICH HAS A 60 FOOT PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT AND A RIGHT AWAY OVER TOP OF THAT, WHICH DOES CONNECT THESE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES OUT TO EVENTUALLY INTERCOASTAL WATERWAY.
ALSO MENTIONED THAT THIS PLAN COULD THEN MORPH INTO SOMETHING WORSE AS A TIKI U TIKI OR GUATEMALA, OR WHO KNOWS WHAT.
AS WE ALL KNOW, THIS PLAN CANNOT CHANGE, THESE CONDITIONS CANNOT CHANGE UNLESS IT COMES BACK TO THE TOWN FOR THOSE APPROVALS.
THE RESTAURANT DOES HAVE MANY CONDITIONS, WHICH WILL LIMIT IT.
THERE'S NO SEATING TO TAKE PLACE OUTDOORS.
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PEOPLE CAN'T BE SEATED AFTER 9:00.IT CAN'T BE EATING OUTSIDE AFTER 10:00.
ALL THE WINDOWS AND DOORS BE ALSO CLOSED AT 10:00 P.M. NO OUTDOOR LIVE MUSIC EVER OUTSIDE.
AS DON HERRING HAD MENTIONED AS WELL, WE HAVE 12 SLIPS THERE.
THERE HAS BEEN MULTIPLE STUDIES DONE BY THE COAST GUARD AND MANY BOAT OWNERS KNOW AS WELL THAT 10% OF THE BOATS ARE ONLY UTILIZED AT ANY ONE TIME.
ANY BOAT OWNERS ARE ONLY GOING TO BE USING THEIR BOAT 10% OF THE TIME THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, WHICH IS ONLY 1.2 BOATS A DAY ON AVERAGE ARE GOING TO BE UTILIZED SO THAT WOULD BE THE AVERAGE.
ALSO THE MENTION OF ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC COMING UP THIS CANAL BECAUSE OF THE RESTAURANT, PEOPLE COMING AND GOING, BEING DROPPED OFF.
THEY'LL BE NO WAY FOR SOMEONE TO GET TO THIS RESTAURANT VIA THE CANAL.
THESE DOCKS WILL BE FENCED AND THEY'LL BE GATED FOR SECURITY OF THOSE VESSELS.
YOU CAN'T JUST BE DROPPED OFF AT THE END OF THAT PIER AND WALK INTO THE RESTAURANT BECAUSE IT WILL BE FENCED OFF.
THAT TRAP THERE'S NOWHERE FOR SOMEONE TO ACCESS THESE DOCKS FROM THE CANAL.
IN ADDITION TO THE WIDTH OF THIS CANAL, THERE ARE CURRENTLY UP THAT CANAL, 20 PLUS DOCS AND 20 PLUS BOATS.
SOME OF THOSE BOATS AT 40 FEET PLUS, AND THERE'S ALSO A BOAT AT 70 FOOT PLUS UP THAT CANAL AS WELL.
IT IS A NARROW CANAL, BUT THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM FOR BOATS AT IDLE SPEED TO GO BACK AND FORTH IN THIS CANAL.
ESSENTIALLY, THOSE WERE THE ONLY POINTS I NEEDED TO COVER. THANK YOU.
THIS IS NOT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ASKING ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
THIS IS INTENDED TO BE DELIBERATION AMONG OURSELVES.
THEN I'LL SEQUENTIALLY SOLICIT COMMENTS OR POSITION FROM COUNSELS ON THE APPLICATION.
THEN AFTER THAT MOTION SO I THINK I CAN GO AHEAD AND JUST COMBINE NINE AND 10.
I'M GOING TO JUST GO DOWN THE ROAD ROW, BACK AND FORTH, AND THEN JUST ANY INPUT YOU WANT TO GIVE AND WHAT YOUR POSITION IS, COUNSEL MAY.
>> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE TOO THAT THIS CANAL WAS DUG OUT BY HENRY FLAGLER AND HAVING A HISTORICAL MARKER THERE TO INDICATE THAT IS IMPORTANT TO ME.
AS THE CANAL WAS DUG OUT FOR COMMERCIAL USE, OBVIOUSLY IT'S CHANGED SINCE HOUSES HAVE BEEN BUILT THERE AND IT'S A LOT MORE RESIDENTIAL USE NOW, BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOTED THAT THE CANAL WAS DUG ORIGINALLY FOR COMMERCIAL USE.
IN THIS PROPERTY ABUTTING ALTERNATE A1A, BEING THAT COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR RIGHT THERE.
I JUST WANT TO BE ON THE RECORD NOTING THAT.
I HOPE THAT THERE'S SOME WAY I KNOW A RESIDENT BROUGHT UP THE CONCERN ABOUT THE OIL THAT HE SEES IN THE CANAL AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I KNOW THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE FILTERS IN PLACE FROM OUR STORM WATER BASE AND DRAINAGE.
SOMETHING I WANT TO FOLLOW UP WITH STAFF ON AND MAKE SURE THAT OUR FILTERS ARE WORKING CORRECTLY WHEREVER TO GET AN EYE ON THAT AREA BECAUSE EVEN NOW BEFORE THIS IS DEVELOPED, THAT IS A CONCERN OF MINE, IF THAT'S TAKING PLACE RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S SOMETHING I WANT TO GET WITH OUR UTILITY STAFF ON TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR FILTERS ARE WORKING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT CAUSING EXTRA DETRIMENT TO THE CANAL RIGHT HERE.
THEN I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT WHERE I KNOW THEY AGREED TO NO FUELING.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THIS DOES GET APPROVED THAT THERE IS A CONDITION OF NO FUELING OR MAINTENANCE/SERVICE OF MOTORS WOULD TAKE PLACE ON THE BOATS.
THERE IS A WAY FOR THE BOATS TO BE SERVICED OFF SITE.
YOU CAN TAKE THEM TO REVICH MARINO, WHERE IT MAY BE THE BOATS ARE HAULED OUT.
LARGER BOATS LIKE THIS ARE HAULED OUT, TYPICALLY FOR SERVICE FOR CLEANING OF THE HOLE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I'M DEFINITELY CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE TO SAY ON THIS.
I DON'T HAVE ANY SUPER NEGATIVE REASON TO DENY THE MARINA AND I DO THINK OF THIS AS MORE OF A SLIP SITUATION.
I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE WHEN THE APPLICANT COMES BACK FOR THE LIFTS IF YOU'RE EVEN ABLE TO PUT THE LIFTS IN WITH HOW IT'S SET UP NOW JUST BECAUSE I KNOW HOW MUCH MORE ROOM THE LIFTS WOULD TAKE UP.
BUT I'LL BE INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE TO SAY.
BUT THAT'S ALL MY COMMENTS FOR NOW.
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>> I WAS REALLY PLEASED WITH PLANNING AND ZONING AND THEIR DELIBERATION OVER A NUMBER OF MEETINGS.
I REMEMBER THIS BEING DIFFERENT PROPOSALS BEING DENIED AND COMING BACK.
BUT I REALLY LIKED AND APPRECIATED THE GATES AND THE FENCING PUT AROUND THAT WAS MOST RECENTLY BROUGHT UP.
THAT'S REALLY GOING TO DRAMATICALLY, THAT WILL MANAGE ANY SITUATION WITH BOAT TRAFFIC CONSIDERABLY AND IT CAN'T BE TRANSIT SLIPS, IT CAN'T BE DROP OFFS.
I THINK THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT POINT AND THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY A PLANNING AND ZONING MEMBER.
I AM GRATEFUL TO THEM FOR THAT.
I DO SEE THAT THEY ARE WIDENING THIS CANAL.
TO THE EXTENT THEY'RE CREATING SPACE.
I DO APPRECIATE INCREASING THE FLUSHING CAPACITY, SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT I SAW.
WHEN VISITING THE SITE, I SAW NO MOVEMENT OF THE WATER.
I THINK IF THERE'S ANY FLUSHING CAPACITY, AS WE'VE LEARNED FROM OTHER PARTS OF TOWN, THAT COULD BE AN IMPROVEMENT.
THE RESTAURANT IS USED BY RIGHT, THE MARINA.
I THINK WITH THE CONDITIONS ADDED, I'M FEELING COMFORTABLE RIGHT NOW, BUT I'VE ALSO BEEN GRATEFUL FOR MY COLLEAGUES AND LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING AGAIN.
WE'VE HEARD FROM ONE BOATER, BUT TO HEAR FROM THE OTHER TWO.
I ONLY PADDLE, AND THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT EXPERIENCE.
I KNOW ONE RESIDENT BROUGHT UP FISH CLEANING AND I'M GLAD TO SEE THE APPLICANTS SAY THAT THAT'S NOT ALLOWED.
I IMAGINE THAT WOULD BE A LEASE OR SOMETHING ON SITE.
BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING ELSE CONSIDERED AND IT'S NOT IN MY EXPERIENCE HERE.
YOU GUYS WILL HAVE MORE RELEVANT EXPERIENCE.
I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU, BUT THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF MY COMMENTS.
>> I THINK THIS SEEMS TO BE HEADING TOWARDS THE APPROVAL, AND I JUST WANTED TO REFLECT THAT I THINK THIS PROJECT, AND I KNOW WHAT THE PUBLIC BELIEVES, BUT THESE THINGS GET HANDLED WAY BEFORE COUNCIL HAS INPUTS.
AND CLEARLY ON THIS PROJECT, HAS BEEN RIGOROUS REVIEWS AND CRITIQUES BY MULTIPLE PLANNING AND ZONING STAFF BY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION EFFORTS AND BY PUBLIC INPUTS.
AS A RESULT OF THAT, IT'S A SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER PROJECT.
I'M GRATEFUL FOR THOSE EFFORTS.
EVERYBODY SHOULD TAKE UNDERSTANDING OF THE INPUT YOU HAD TO MAKE CHANGES.
THERE HAS BEEN SIGNIFICANT SITE PLAN AND PROJECT REVISIONS AND CHANGES TO RESOLVE LEGITIMATE CONCERNS.
A SPECIAL EXCEPTION USE, FOR THE MARINA FACILITY AND SITE PLAN FOR THE PRIVATE MARINA RESTAURANT WITH ACCESSORY OUTDOOR SEATING AREA IN OFFICE USE.
WE GOT BENEFICIAL EASEMENT DEDICATIONS, IS RESTAURANT USE AND OUTDOOR SEATING RESTRICTIONS.
THESE ARE THINGS THAT WERE ADDRESSED THAT I'VE AND OTHER PROJECTS HAVE BEEN PRETTY STRICT ON, AND IT WAS ALL ADDRESSED AHEAD OF TIME, SO I'M GRATEFUL FOR THAT.
THE MARINA USE RESTRICTIONS AND WITH THE APPLICANTS AGREEMENT, AND HOPEFULLY, MY COLLEAGUES WOULD AGREE THAT WHEN IT GETS TIME FOR A MOTION UNDER 7D, WHICH IS THE CONDITION THAT [NOISE] ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE MARINA CONDITIONS WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO US.
I THINK THAT SHOULD GIVE EVERYBODY COMFORT AND I KNOW THE APPLICANT DOESN'T HAVE ANY INTENTIONS TO COME BACK, BUT THEREFORE, WE CAN REPRESENT AND SOMEWHAT MITIGATE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
THE ENVIRONMENTAL ENHANCEMENTS, THE MARINE STEWARDSHIP PLAN, THE MANGROVE PLANNING FOR A LIVING SHORELINE.
THIS HAS GOT ALL OF THE BEST PRACTICES THAT WE'VE WANTED TO HAVE HAPPEN, SO I'M GRATEFUL FOR THAT.
HISTORIC PRESERVATION, THIS IS A UNIQUE SITE.
JUST THE FACT THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME PRESERVATION OF THAT AND PROBABLY HELP EVEN THE AWARENESS OF THAT HISTORY.
THAT'S WHAT WE TRY TO ACCOMPLISH SIX FOOT WALL ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, AGAIN, MITIGATING IMPACTS.
THE LOCKING SYSTEM PROHIBITING ACCESS TO THE PRIVATE MARINA SLIPS.
I THINK ALL OF THOSE WERE STEPS TAKEN TO MITIGATE ANY CHANCE FOR THE ACTIVITY THAT OTHER ESTABLISHMENTS UNDERWATER HAVE HAD.
I DON'T SEE AS I'M SITTING HERE AND READING THIS THAT THERE WOULD BE ANY OPPORTUNITY FOR AT LEAST APPROVED AS PART OF THIS CONDITION,
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OR THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER.>> THE PARKING SPACES RIGHT NOW, 84 SPACES ARE PROVIDED, 77 ARE REQUIRED.
SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS OUR CODE DOES PROVIDE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
AND IF THERE'S ISSUES WITH THAT, WE CAN CHANGE OUR CODE, BUT IT DOES PROVIDE THEM AND ALL WE CAN DO IS FOR THE MOST PART HOLD AN APPLICANT TO THE CODE IN THIS CASE, THEY ARE EXCEEDING IT, YOU'LL BE HARMED IF IN FACT, THEY'RE OUT OF THEY RUN OUT OF SPACES AND IF THAT HAPPENS, HOPEFULLY IT WOULD BE BEFORE THE VACANT LOT EVER GETS DEVELOPED, AND THEN THAT WOULD BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW AT THE TIME.
AND I KNOW THIS IS OFF TOPIC, BUT I KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN MENTIONED ALREADY AND I JUST WANT TO SAY FOR THE PUBLIC THAT THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE STORM WATER DRAINAGE WHICH BY THE WAY, DOES PROVIDE FLUSHING THAT WE KNOW NONE HAPPENS.
WE'LL TAKE AN ACTION ITEM ON STAFF TO LOOK INTO THAT AND AS WE SHOULD.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE VERY COMMITTED TO IS ENVIRONMENTALLY AND NOT KNOWING WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE.
PERHAPS IT'S SOMETHING QUICK THAT WE CAN DO AND IF NOT, IT'S A PROJECT WE'D HAVE TO TRY TO SEE THAT WE WOULD HANDLE, SO THAT'S NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS APPLICANT.
THAT THE TOWN UTILITIES RESPONSIBILITY.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'VE HEARD IT UP HERE FROM SEVERAL OF US THAT WE TAKE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THAT AND IT'S NOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS PROJECT.
SO I THINK WITH THAT, I'LL MOVE DOWN ALONG TO YOU, COUNCILOR DELANEY.
>> THANK YOU. EVERYBODY STARTED OFF WITH THE MARINA.
I'M GOING TO START WITH THE RESTAURANT.
SO THIS PROPERTY, YOUR PARCEL AND OVER THE YEARS WE'VE SEEN IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT TWO PREVIOUS APPLICATIONS THAT WERE PRETTY MUCH DEEMED TOO INTENSE FOR THE AREA FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I THINK THIS IS MORE OF A MUCH BETTER FIT, THE BUILDING IS BEAUTIFUL, I LIKE THE WAY THEY ORIENTATED IT WHERE THE LENGTH IT'S GOING, I GUESS IT'S EAST WEST.
IT ENGAGES A SIDEWALK, WHICH IS ENGAGES WITH THE COM PLAN.
AS THE MAYOR SAID, THEY'RE OVER PARKED A LITTLE BIT, WHICH IS GREAT.
ALSO THE OTHER PARCEL FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE RESTAURANT TAKE UP NOT MUCH CAN GO.
SO THIS PROPERTY MAY COME DOWN THE ROAD, DIMINISHES THE INTENSITY OF WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN THIS PROPERTY WITH THE ASSISTED LIVING HOME OR THE APPLICANT WANT TO DO A LARGER OFFICE BUILDING IN THE PAST WHICH EVERYBODY DEEMED TO INTEND.
SO I THINK IF NOT THIS, WHAT? IF WE'VE REJECTED THIS, SOMETHING ELSE WOULD COME DOWN THE LINE, WHO KNOWS WHAT IT WOULD BE? IT HAS TO BE ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE FOR THE APPLICANT ALSO.
BACK TO THE MARINA, I LOVE THE ENHANCEMENT OF THE LIVING SHORELINE, THE RIPRAP, THE CARVING OUT A LITTLE OF THE PROPERTY TO WIDEN THE CANAL.
I THINK I'D PREFER TO SEE LITS THERE JUST AS A BOATER BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT YOUR BOAT SITTING IN THE WATER AND GETTING ALL MARKED UP WITH ARNICLES AND SLIME, BUT THAT'S THEIR PREROGATIVE DOWN THE ROAD.
IN REGARDS TO THE FUEL, I HAD A BOAT THAT THE FUEL TRUCK WOULD COME TO THE DOCK AND I FUELED AT THE DOCK WHEN I LIVED UP NORTH, NEVER SPILLED TO DROP, BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE TRUCK WOULD COME IN PARK, RUN HIS LINE TO THE TO THE DOCKS AND THE APPLICANT SAID HE'S NOT INTERESTED IN THAT ANYWAY.
I NEVER WANT TO HURT ANYBODY ECONOMICALLY.
I KNOW PEOPLE THAT WILL PROBABLY RENT THESE SLIPS, DON'T LIVE ON THE WATER.
I APPRECIATE THERE'S MORE ACCESS FOR PEOPLE TO GET THEIR BOAT IN A SLIP THAT DON'T LIVE ON THE WATER.
AND FUEL IS ALSO FAR MORE EXPENSIVE IN THE MARINAS.
I DON'T WANT TO HURT THEM YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE MARINA TO GET FUEL, BUT IF IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE FUEL DOCKING HERE IS IN THE CARD.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MY COMMENTS FROM I KNOW, COUNCILOR MAY, YOU DIDN'T WANT FEELING HERE.
I'LL TAKE A PULL. HOW DO YOU FOLKS FEEL ABOUT FUELING.
>> NO FUELING, NO SERVICE OR MAINTENANCE OF THE ENGINES, AND THEN NO DUMPING OF THE BLACKWATER TANKS FROM THE FROM THE BOATS.
>> I THINK IT'S FAIR. COUNSELOR SUNSTM, DID YOU HAVE OPINION ON THE FUELING.
>> FUELING? NO. I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO HARM ANYBODY'S POCKETBOOK,
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BUT I LOVE THE ENVIRONMENTAL ENHANCEMENTS.THIS IS ALMOST TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES.
PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO DROP OFF PEOPLE AT THE DOCKS TO RUN INTO THE RESTAURANT AND VICE VERSA.
I THINK I'M NOT AFRAID OF THAT HAPPENING.
AND I THINK EVERYTHING WE'VE SEEN ON THIS PROPERTY OVER THE YEARS, THIS IS THE BEST FIT.
I'LL BE VOTING IN FAVOR OF IT.
>> I'M GOING TO TAKE A SIMILAR APPROACH.
IT'S THE RIGHT USE FOR THAT PROPERTY.
I LIKE IT A LOT. I THINK THE DEVELOPER HAS SHOWN A VERY GOOD TRACK RECORD.
THOUSAND NORTH WAS A JEWEL OF THE TOWN.
I LIKE IT A LOT. EVERYTHING ABOUT THE BUILDING, I'M FOR. THE MARINA.
AND I DON'T WANT TO GOOF AROUND WITH US.
THERE IS NO EXISTING MARINA THERE.
IF IT WASN'T PERMITTED, IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE AND EVERYTHING SHOULD GET YANKED UP, I GUESS.
SO IT'S NOT AN EXISTING MARINA.
WE'RE ALLOWING THEM TO BUILD A NEW MARINA, THAT'S WHAT WE CHOOSE TO DO, BUT I'M NOT SAYING EITHER WAY WHETHER WE'LL DO THAT AS A COUNSEL, BUT THAT IS A VERY SMALL CANAL.
I'VE HAD A MASTER OF VESSEL COMMERCIAL CAPTAIN'S LICENSE SINCE 1990.
I'VE PUMPED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF GALLONS OF FUEL INTO BOATS ALONG THE WAY.
EVERY TIME YOU FILL A BOAT, YOU RUN THE RISK OF AT LEAST LITTLE FUEL GETTING IN.
WHEN YOU FILL A BOAT, SOME PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH A 20 FOOTER.
YOU CAN SIT THERE AND HOLD FUEL FILLER FOR A 20 FOOTER, BUT WHEN YOU'RE PUTTING 500 GALLONS OF FUEL IN, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SIT THERE AND HOLD IT BY HAND.
YOU'LL PUT A SCREW DRIVER IN, YOU'LL DO VARIOUS THINGS YOU CAN DO THAT WE'VE LEARNED TO DO OVER THE YEARS AND YOU RUN THE RISK OF A KICKBACK, WE SPIT SOME FUEL OUT.
THE VENT ON THE TANK, WHEN YOU FILL A TANK, IT HAS A VENT.
THE AIR THAT'S IN THE TANK HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE.
WHEN YOU'RE FILLING THAT TANK, IT'S PUSHING THE AIR OUT OF VENT.
IF YOU FILL IT TO THE LAST SECOND, IT WILL SPIT FUEL OUT OF THAT VENT EVERY TIME.
THE IDEA THAT YOU CAN FILL THESE BOATS OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND NO FUEL EVER GETS OUT, THAT'S NOT REALITY.
THAT'S NOT MY REALITY AS A COMMERCIAL FISHERMAN.
AGAIN, A MASTER VESSEL FOR 34 YEARS.
I'VE GOT SOME EXPERIENCE IN SAYING THAT.
THERE WILL BE SOME FUELING ISSUES.
SO I'M ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO FUELING.
I'M OPPOSED TO SERVICING AND I DON'T SEE THAT AS A BIG ISSUE.
I THINK COUNCILOR MAY HIT IT ON THE HEAD.
WHEN YOU'VE GOT 300 HORSEPOWER ENGINES ON THE BACK OF A 40 FOOT BOAT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE SOMEBODY BACK THERE DROPPING LOWER UNITS OFF THE CHANGING OIL AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THEY'RE GOING TO RUN IT OVER TO DUPER MARINE AND HAVE IT DONE.
THEY DON'T NEED TO BE SERVICING BOATS THERE.
EVERY TIME YOU DROP A LOWER UNIT, YOU'RE GOING TO GET SOME OIL INTO THE RIVER.
THOSE THINGS SHOULD NOT HAPPEN.
THE USAGE RATES THAT HAVE BEEN QUOTED, 10%, THAT MIGHT HOLD TRUE FOR THESE 40 FOOT PARADE BOATS.
WE LAUGH AT THESE BOATS ALL THE TIME.
THESE 40 FOOTERS GO BY ALL THE TIME.
WE JUST LAUGH AT THEM TO PARADE.
THE COMMERCIAL BOATS THAT WERE THERE BEFORE USE THEIR BOATS.
SO THEY WILL PROBABLY USING IT MORE OFTEN.
YOU MAY GET SOME REDUCTION IN USAGE GOING ON TO THESE TYPE OF BOATS VERSUS COMMERCIAL FISHERMEN, BUT IT'S STILL A VERY NARROW CANAL.
SOME OF YOU SAID YOU DROVE OUT THERE BY BOAT.
WHEN YOU HAVE BOATS 60 FEET, KEEP THAT IN MIND.
YOU GOT BOATS THAT ARE TIED UP POSSIBLY ON BOTH SIDES.
THERE'S AT LEAST 20 FEET OF IT HAS NOW BEEN TAKEN UP BY RIGHT OF USE FOR THE HOMEOWNERS ALONG THE CANAL.
YOU'VE NARROWED IT DOWN TO A POINT WHERE YOU ALMOST HAVE ZERO ROOM FOR BOATS GOING THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION, BUT THAT'S NOT INSURMOUNTABLE.
PEOPLE CAN BACK UP, STOP, LET PEOPLE AROUND TO CLARIFY THE INCREASED FLOW BY THE WIDENING.
ALL THAT'S BEING WIDE IS THE TURNAROUND AT THE END.
THAT'S NOT GOING TO INCREASE FLOW AT ALL, NOT A GALLON OF INCREASED FLOW.
THAT JUST MAKES IT EASIER TO TURN AROUND.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO DREDGE IT ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE SOFISH BAY FOR IT TO INCREASE FLOW.
WE'RE NOT REALLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO INCREASE FLOW.
INCREASING FLOW WITH STORM WATER RUNOFF IS NOT A GREAT THING TO DO,
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BUT IT'S BETTER THAN NOTHING.AND WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN STOP FUEL, ANY TYPE OF SHEEN.
THAT SHOULD NOT HAPPEN. SO ANYTIME ANYBODY SEES SHEEN ON THE WATER, THAT SHOULD BE REPORTED IMMEDIATELY.
THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG, THAT'S HAPPENING.
WE'VE GOT I THINK TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM AT ALL WITH THE RESTAURANT, THE PROPOSAL FOR THE RESTAURANT.
I'VE GOT SOME RESERVATIONS ABOUT THE MARINA.
I THINK IT'S TOO MANY SLIPS AND I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT NOW, NO FUELING, NO SERVICING, NO PUMPING OF ANYTHING OUT OF THE BOAT.
YOU CAN'T DO THAT LEGALLY ANYWAY.
YOU CAN'T PUMP OUT GRAY WATER INTO THE RIVER.
THAT'S ILLEGAL. THAT DOESN'T MEAN PEOPLE WON'T DO IT AFTER HOURS BECAUSE IT'S EASIER AND CHEAPER.
MOST OF THESE 40 FOOTERS, THEY DON'T LET ANYBODY USE THEIR BATHROOM THAT THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT.
WE DON'T ON OURS. YOU GOT TO GO IN A BUCKET.
YOU'RE NOT USING THEM THAT'S NOT GOING TO IT'S TOO MUCH OF A PAIN, SO BIG ISSUE, BUT I FEEL FOR THESE HOMEOWNERS ALONG THIS CANAL BECAUSE IT'S NOT A REALLY GOOD FIT FOR THEM.
IT'S AN AWKWARD SITUATION WHERE WE DO HAVE A COMMERCIAL LOCATION AT THE END OF A RESIDENTIAL CANAL.
YOU CAN'T SAY THIS IS A PRIVATE CANAL.
IT IS OPEN FOR NAVIGATION, SO IT'S NAVIGABLE, BUT I THINK 12 IS A LITTLE TOO INTENSIVE.
I'D LIKE TO SEE IT A SMALLER NUMBER.
THE SIZE OF THE BOAT, 35 VERSUS 40 FOOT DOESN'T REALLY BOTHER ME THAT MUCH, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING, MR. SICKLER, WHAT YOU SAID AT THE WATER LINE, THESE BOATS CAN EASILY BE FIVE FEET LONGER WHEN YOU GET FULL LENGTH AND YOU GET UP OFF THE WATER.
SO THAT'S FAIRLY EASY. SO I'M HESITANT ON THE MARINA, BUT IF WE COULD REDUCE THE NUMBER, I'D BE MORE COMFORTABLE, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT THOUGH NO FUELING, NO SERVICING.
THAT'S BASICALLY HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT.
>> I'LL CALL FOR A MOTION AND A SECOND.
>> I CAN MAKE THE MOTION WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, CONDITIONS WISE, TO HOPEFULLY APPEASE THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN BEING RAISED TONIGHT. THAT'S MY GOAL.
IF ANYBODY WANTS TO OFFER A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT AFTER I GO THROUGH THESE AND THANK YOU TO THE TOWN ATTORNEY FOR WRITING EVERYTHING DOWN THAT WE WERE MENTIONING.
SO BASICALLY, THE MOTION WILL BE MOTION TO APPROVE BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION THAT WAS MADE ON AUGUST 13TH, 2024, ALONG WITH ANY CHANGE TO THE MARINA, CONDITIONS MUST COME BACK TO COUNCIL.
NO DUMPING UP BLACKWATER TANKS, NO CHARTER DIVE BOATS OR COMMERCIAL USE OF THE BOATS.
NO FUELING OF BOATS IN THE MARINA, NO BOAT MAINTENANCE OR SERVICE AT THE DOCKS, AND NO FUEL TRUCKS TO DELIVER FUEL TO THE BOATS IN THE MARINA.
>> MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION?
>> I'D SUPPORTED THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD BE UP TO IT, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THEY WOULD OR NOT.
>> HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>> ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
[14. Authorizing a waiver of conflict for Jones Foster Law Firm.]
AND AUTHORIZING THE WAIVER OF CONFLICT FOR JONES FOSTER LAW FIRM.I'LL JUST GIVE EVERYBODY A MINUTE TO EXIT.
>> MAYOR WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO INTRODUCE THIS ITEM?
>> YEAH, PLEASE DO. I'LL JUST GIVE ME A MINUTE TO CLEAR OUT HERE.
>> I APOLOGIZE FOR THE LATENESS OF THE MEMO, BUT TWO OF MY PARTNERS HAVE BEEN REPRESENTING JACOB WALSTAT WHO HAS BEEN PURCHASING PROPERTIES IN PALM BEACH COUNTY AND THEY'VE BEEN REPRESENTING HIM IN THAT.
AND RECENTLY, HE'S TURNED HIS ATTENTION TO JUPITER AND THE NINE ACRE PROPERTY ON INDIANTOWN ROAD THAT IS RESTRICTED TO BIOSCIENCE, LIFE SCIENCES, AND HIGH TECHNOLOGY USES.
THAT PROPERTY WAS DEDICATED TO THE TOWN AS PART OF THE SONOMA ISLES PUD, FORMERLY THE PARCEL 19 PUD WITH THOSE RESTRICTIONS IN THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER.
MR. WALSTAT HAPPENS TO BE A VERY SUCCESSFUL DEVELOPER
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OF BIOSCIENCE USES ELSEWHERE IN THE UNITED STATES.HE WAS ATTRACTED TO THAT PARCEL BECAUSE OF ITS PROXIMITY TO SCRIPTS AND MAX PLANK AND THE OTHER BIOSCIENCES USES THAT EXIST IN PALM BEACH COUNTY.
THE TOWN HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SELL THAT PROPERTY.
THE TOWN MANAGER HAS ALREADY OBTAINED APPRAISALS FOR THE PROPERTY.
AND SO THE PURPOSE OF THIS ITEM IS TO ASK YOU FOR A WAIVER FOR OUR FIRM TO REPRESENT MY PARTNER, SCOTT MCMAHAN, TO REPRESENT THE TOWN IN THE REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION.
WHICH IS NOT UNCOMMON FOR LARGER LAW FIRMS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN A LOT OF REAL ESTATE WHICH IS OUR FIRM AND OTHER FIRMS. AND MR. ALEXANDER FROM OUR FIRM WHO IS IN THE WEST PALM OFFICE, SCOTTS IN THE JUPITER OFFICE, TO REPRESENT THE BUYER, MR. WALSTAT IN THAT TRANSACTION.
THE RULES OF FLORIDA BAR ARE SUCH THAT THE FIRM CAN REPRESENT BOTH BUYER AND SELLER IN THE TRANSACTION PROVIDED WE OBTAIN A WAIVER FROM BOTH BUYER AND SELLER.
MR. WALSTAT HAS INDICATED THAT HE WILL BE WAIVING THE CONFLICT.
SO THE QUESTION FOR THE COUNSEL IS WHETHER YOU WILL WAIVE THE CONFLICT.
OBVIOUSLY, WELL, MAYBE NOT OBVIOUSLY TO YOU, BUT REAL ESTATE TRANSACTIONS ARE DIFFERENT FROM THINGS LIKE LITIGATION.
REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION, BOTH BUYER AND SELLER ARE MOTIVATED TO CLOSE THE TRANSACTION.
SO BOTH BUYER AND SELLERS ATTORNEYS ARE MOTIVATED TO WORK TOWARDS ACHIEVING THAT CLOSING AND LITIGATION, OF COURSE, IT IS JUST THE OPPOSITE.
IN THE EVENT AFTER THE CLOSING ASSUMING IT CLOSES, LITIGATION WERE TO DEVELOP, WE WOULD NOT REPRESENT EITHER PARTY IN THAT LITIGATION.
IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO WAIVE THE CONFLICT, THEN BOTH BUYER AND SELLER MUST RETAIN DIFFERENT REAL ESTATE ATTORNEYS.
TOWN WOULD RETAIN ANOTHER LAW FIRM TO REPRESENT IT IN THE REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION.
MR. WALSTAT WOULD RETAIN ANOTHER FIRM TO REPRESENT HIM.
IF YOU CHOOSE TO WAIVE THE CONFLICT, WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IT.
IF YOU DON'T CHOOSE TO WAIVE THE CONFLICT, I UNDERSTAND.
>> I'LL BEGIN ON THIS ONE AND I CERTAINLY WANT TO MAKE SURE FOR TRANSPARENCY THAT I INDICATE THAT I'VE MET WITH MR. WALSTAT SEVERAL TIMES, JUST IN REGARD TO HIS INTEREST IN ACTUALLY FIRST AND OTHER PROPERTIES IN JUPITER AND IT FITS INTO A LONG TERM STRATEGY WE'VE HAD.
FROM THE MOMENT THAT BEGAN, MR. BAIRD SHARED WITH ME THIS POTENTIAL CONFLICT THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO WAIVE SO I WAS ALWAYS COMFORTABLE WITH DOING SO ON A REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION SO SUPPORTIVE OF THE REQUEST TO DO THAT AND I RECOGNIZE THAT MR. WALSTAT ARE PURCHASING OR CONSIDERING ACQUIRING PROPERTY IN MANY DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS IN THIS COUNTY HAS A STAKE WITH A DIFFERENT OFFICE IN I GUESS THE WEST PALM OFFICE OR WHATEVER.
I CAN SEE WHERE THEY WOULDN'T WANT TO SWITCH FOR NOW SOMETHING HAPPENING IN JUPITER AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO SWITCH FROM THE TOWN ATTORNEY AND HIS FIRM THAT HAVE SERVED US FOR THESE THINGS.
I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE WAIVER AND I'D ASK IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO EITHER SUPPORT IT OR COMMENT OTHERWISE.
>> GIVEN THE CAVEAT, THAT IF LITIGATION WERE TO ARISE AFTERWARDS, THAT BOTH WOULD WALK AWAY FROM REPRESENTATION, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
THAT CAVEAT MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE.
>> I AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK WE DISCUSSED THIS A WHILE BACK, AND I'M OKAY WITH IT.
>> I HAVE SUPPORTIVE MOTION OR?
>> YES. MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE THE LETTER THAT I WROTE, WHICH IS IN YOUR MATERIALS.
>> MOTION SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>> MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
>> THANK YOU. WE HOPE TO CLOSE IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
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THAT PROPERTY HAS BEEN DESIGNATED FOR BIOSCIENCE FOR A SIGNIFICANT PERIOD OF TIME.THE TOWN DID HAVE ONE OTHER OPPORTUNITY THAT FELL THROUGH.
THIS IS A REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITY GIVEN WHO'S INTERESTED IN PURCHASING IT.
>> GO IN TO REPORTS, TOWN ATTORNEY.
[TOWN MANAGER]
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.
WE'VE HAD A LOT COME AT US TONIGHT, SO I'M JUST GOING TO SUMMARIZE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK COUNCIL IS LOOKING FOR US TO FOLLOW UP ON JUST FROM THIS MEETING.
OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN CLOSE RELATIONSHIP WITH F DOT TO FOLLOW UP ON THE POINTS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, AND ALSO OUR COMMUNICATIONS TEAM MAINTAINS CLOSE RELATIONSHIP WITH THEIR SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE THAT INFORMATION IS GETTING OUT TO OUR RESIDENTS RELATING TO THE INDIAN TOWN ROAD PROJECT.
I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH THE RESIDENT THAT TALKED ABOUT PRESENTING THE POWERPOINT TO KRISTEN.
CHIEF BARBER HAS ALREADY MET WITH THE FOLKS FROM JUPITER COUNTRY CLUB, AND WE WILL BE HAVING A POLICE PRESENCE OUT THERE TO MONITOR THE GRIDLOCK THAT WAS REPORTED.
WE'LL FOLLOW UP ON THE BUS STOP BENCH NEXT TO WENDY'S AND THE DROP OFF BOX FOR THE UTILITY PAYMENT THAT CAME UP EARLIER.
I'LL CHECK ON THE MEDIUM PLANTS PRESENTATION AS BROUGHT UP EARLIER, AND ALSO THE DRAINAGE FROM THE INDUSTRIAL PARK, WE'LL GET ON THAT TOMORROW MORNING.
THEN AS YOU'RE AWARE, STAFF REGULARLY ANTICIPATES THE ISSUES AND CONCERNS AND SIGNIFICANT EVENTS THAT MAY IMPACT THE TOWN.
THE AMENDMENT 5 WAS NO EXCEPTION TO THAT.
AS FINANCE TYPICALLY DOES, THEY LOOKED AT HOW THAT AMENDMENT COULD AFFECT THE TOWN'S REVENUE.
MATTER OF FACT IN OCTOBER, THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT RAN THE NUMBERS BASED UPON OUR CURRENT VALUES, AND AMENDMENT 5 WILL HAVE ABOUT A $30,000 EFFECT ON TOWN REVENUES ANNUALLY.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE ANYTHING SIGNIFICANT THERE.
THE OTHER THING, THE RIVER WALK SHORELINE PROJECT.
YESTERDAY, THE PROJECT TO STABILIZE THE SHORELINE ALONG THE RIVER WALK BEGAN BEHIND THE MANGROVE BAY PROJECT.
THIS WILL INVOLVE THE INSTALLATION OF RIP RAP AND WHEN CONSTRUCTION OCCURRING, THAT SECTION OF RIVER WALK WILL BE CLOSED, BUT THE RECONSTRUCTION COMPANY WILL OPEN RIVER WALK TO PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC WHEN WORK IS NOT OCCURRING AND THE WORK WILL TAKE APPROXIMATELY SIX WEEKS.
COMMUNITY RELATION STAFF IS USING SOCIAL MEDIA WE DO TO INFORM OUR RESIDENTS.
THEN FINALLY, WE HAVE TWO NEW ADDITIONS TO THIS TOWN HALL BUILDING, AND A FOLLOW UP TO WHAT COUNCIL HAS ASKED IN THE PAST.
FIRST, JUST INSIDE THE FRONT DOOR ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE MAIN LOBBY, WE'VE ADDED A PLAQUE, RECOGNIZING THE FORMER COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO HAD A HAND IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS BUILDING.
THOSE COUNCIL MEMBERS INCLUDE COUNCILOR POSNER, ALAN COFFER, CHERYL SNYDER, AS WELL AS THE FORMER MAYOR TODD WADRASKA.
ALSO, YOU MAY REMEMBER ALL THE HISTORIC PHOTOS THAT HUNG IN THE OLD COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
WE HAD THOSE PHOTOS REFRAMED AND HAVE CREATED A HISTORIC DISPLAY BEHIND THE BUILDING COUNTER IN OUR CUSTOMER LOBBY.
IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT, YOU SHOULD REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
WE ALSO TOOK THE OLD TOWN SEAL THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT ONE THAT HUNG IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS FOR DECADES IN THE OLD COUNCIL CHAMBERS, AND THAT NOW SERVES AS THE CENTERPIECE OF THAT HISTORIC DISPLAY IN OUR CUSTOMER LOBBY HERE.
I REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND I THINK THEY REALLY WELL DONE KUDOS TO THE STAFF.
[TOWN COUNCIL – LIAISON REPORTS AND COMMENTS]
>> I'LL JUST KEEP IT SHORT. I REALLY WANTED TO THANK STAFF FOR EVERYTHING THEY DID TO PUT TOGETHER ANOTHER AMAZING VETERANS DAY CEREMONY THAT WE HAD.
IT WAS REALLY NICE TO COME AND HONOR OUR VETERANS AND ARRANGING FOR THE SPEAKER AND EVERYTHING.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO STAFF FOR THAT.
OTHER THAN THAT WE GOT TWO HOURS OF SLEEP LAST NIGHT, SO I'M READY TO GO HOME.
>> IT'S BEEN A VERY LONG NIGHT, SO I'LL KEEP IT SHORT, BUT I ALSO WANT TO THANK STAFF JUST FOR PUTTING TOGETHER THIS PRESENTATION WITH F DOT AND FOR ANSWERING QUESTIONS.
I HOPE THAT DID SOME GOOD AND ALLEVIATED SOME CONCERNS AND WE'LL SEE, BUT I THINK THEY'VE MADE SOME CHANGES AND EXPEDITED SOME OF THIS,
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SO I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT.>> YEAH. THANKS FOR STAFF, AGAIN, FOR THE GREAT VETERANS DAY, MEMORIAL DAY SERVICES, AND THAT'S BECOME A GREAT TRADITION IN JUPITER. I LOVE IT.
I WOULDN'T MISS IT FOR THE WORLD.
THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN A VERY PROACTIVE COUNCIL.
ONCE IN A WHILE, WE GET THROWN MONKEY WRENCH IN THE GEARS AND WE HAVE TO REACT TO WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, BUT PROUD OF EVERYBODY AND STAFF FOR HANDLING GETTING IN HERE.
COUNCIL HAS DONE SOME GREAT JOBS.
IT FEELS GOOD JUST TRYING TO WRAP OUR BRAINS AROUND THAT AND WITH THAT, IT'S LATE, SO THAT'S IT.
>> YES. I ALSO WANT TO THANK STAFF BOTH FOR THE VETERANS DAY, WHICH IS VERY PERSONAL TO ME.
MY FATHER, MY GRANDFATHER, MY UNCLE, ALL VETERANS.
THANK YOU. THAT'S VERY MEANINGFUL.
TO THE DOT, THAT WAS AN EXPLOSION THAT OCCURRED.
THAT WAS AN AWFUL THING THAT HAPPENED OVERNIGHT.
IT SEEMED LIKE AND THAT CITIZENS PROBABLY DON'T REALIZE HOW QUICKLY WE DID REACT TO IT IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT WE DID.
WE WERE REACTING AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN.
THIS DIDN'T LOOK LIKE A GOOD FIT.
I'M ON RECORD, SAYING, I DIDN'T LIKE WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO, BUT WE HAVE NO SAY IN THAT.
ALL WE CAN DO IS FACILITATE FINISHING UP AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, AND HOPEFULLY THAT WILL ALLEVIATE THE PROBLEM.
I THINK HAVING AN OFFICER OUT THERE AGAIN, VERY QUICK RESPONSE. EXCELLENT RESPONSE.
ALL WE CAN DO AS COUNCILORS AND MAYORS RESPOND AS THESE THINGS HAPPEN.
WE KNEW IT WAS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM.
WE COULDN'T FORESEE THAT WE'D HAVE A BACKUP ALL THE WAY TO PUBLICS IN JUPITER FARMS. THAT'S UNBELIEVABLE. I DON'T KNOW THERE'S EVER A PRECEDENCE FOR THAT.
I HAVE TO HAVE THE INTERSTATE SHUTDOWN.
I REMEMBER GOING OUT TO PRATT WHITNEY IN 1984, AT INDIAN TOWN ROAD WITH TWO LANES AND THERE WAS NO I95 OUT THERE.
SO TO GO FROM THAT TO WHAT WE HAVE THIS LAST WEEK IS HORRIFIC.
IF ANYBODY THINKS OF ANYTHING ELSE, LET US KNOW.
WE TOLD THE DOT, COME TO US IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR WE CAN HELP YOU AS A TOWN, WE WILL, SO WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN.
THANK THE STAFF FOR THAT. THANK YOU ALL.
>> JUST THREE QUICK ITEMS. NUMBER 1, AGAIN, I'LL EMPHASIZE WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE SAID IS, THAT VETERANS DAY AND MEMORIAL DAY, AND THESE EVENTS STAFF DOES A GREAT JOB.
I USUALLY THANK OUR STAFF WHO ARE TAKING DOWN THE THE SETUP.
BUT EACH TIME WE'RE ALL HEARING FROM RESIDENTS THAT ARE REALLY TOUCHED BY THAT EVENT SO IT'S IT HAS BECOME REALLY SPECIAL.
I'M GRATEFUL FOR STAFF HELPING TO MAKE THAT BE THE CASE.
AND THEN IT STRUCK ME THIS YEAR VETERANS DAY, I THINK SOME RESIDENT IN A CONVERSATION WITH ME POINTED THIS OUT OUR KIDS ARE IN SCHOOL, WASN'T ALWAYS THE CASE AND WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN TO PERPETUATE WHAT VETERANS DAY WAS ALL ABOUT, AND I'M FEARFUL THAT OUR YOUTH MAY LOSE SOME OF THAT, BUT WE'RE AT LEAST DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN, SO GRATEFUL FOR THAT.
I ALMOST COMMENTED ON IT, BUT I JUST WANT TO ASK, IN THE INTEREST OF BREVITY, I'VE REALLY TRIED NOT TO COMMENT UNLESS IT WAS ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED, BUT I WANT TO JUST ASK THAT UNDER THE EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS, AGAIN MR. BARRETT HAS ADVISED DOZENS OF TIMES THAT WE NEED TO SAY WHEN WE MET, WHO WE MET WITH, WHAT WAS THE CONTEXT OF IT? SO WHEN THE EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS THAT WERE IN THE MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 15TH, I'M PRETTY SURE I TRY TO BE CONSISTENT TO SAY WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AND I DON'T THINK IN THE THREE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL THAT SPOKE THAT WAS CAPTURED FOR ANY OF THEM.
I JUST WANT TO ASK TO BE MINDFUL BECAUSE IT'S AN OBLIGATION OF US, AND I THOUGHT ABOUT IT, BUT I WOULD HAVE SENT YOU FOUR OR FIVE WORDS BUT JUST GOING FORTH INTO THE FUTURE, WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION WHEN WHO AND WHAT WAS DISCUSSED.
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THAT'S BEEN ADVISED. THE MINUTES WE APPROVED THE NIGHT DIDN'T HAVE THE WHAT WAS DISCUSSED, BUT I KNOW AT LEAST IN MY CASE.I'M NOT SUGGESTING IT ISN'T IN EVERYBODY ELSE'S CASE.
BUT I KNOW IN MY CASE BECAUSE MR. BARRETT HAS DRIVEN IT HOME.
BUT I COULDN'T RECOLLECT WITHOUT GOING BACK TO THE VIDEO.
WHAT I SAID WAS THE WHAT WHEN I SPOKE WITH THE THE P&Z DIRECTOR.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S JUST A GENERIC ASK.
THEN JUST LASTLY, ON THE I95 OFF RAMP TRAFFIC SIGNALIZATION.
I'M APPRECIATIVE OF THE PROFESSIONAL WORKING RELATIONSHIPS THAT STAFF HAS WITH THE OTHER ENTITIES.
IT'S CLEAR THAT SOMETHING HAPPENED THAT WASN'T PROPERLY EVALUATED, WHICH IS NOT UNCOMMON.
ANALYSIS WAS DONE AFTER THE PROJECT WAS DONE TO BE AN IMPROVEMENT.
I'M JUST WANTED REPRESENTING STAFF HERE, BELIEVE THAT IT COULD HAVE EVER WORKED WITH RESTRICTING THE NORTHBOUND OFF AT THE SAME TIME, YOU ONLY HAD TWO LANES.
WE REALLY HAD PREDICTABLE WEDLOCK, BUT EVERYBODY SCRAMBLED TO CORRECT IT AND I'M GRATEFUL WHAT WE HEARD WAS, YOU KNOW, BY MONDAY, A THIRD NORTHBOUND OFF LANE WILL BE ADDED AND A THIRD BECAUSE REALLY THERE'S TWO SOURCES OF THE TRAFFIC COMING OFF I95 AND COMING FROM THE WEST.
WE'RE GOING IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
BUT THOSE ARE THE TWO AND SO BY MONDAY, THOSE TWO ARE GOING TO BE INCREASED BY 50%.
EVERY LIGHT CHANGE, EACH ONE IS GOING TO GO FROM 2-3 LANES, THAT'S GOING TO MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE.
WE SHOULD HAVE FIGURED OUT HOW TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN FROM DAY ONE, BUT WE ARE WHERE WE ARE, SO GRATEFUL THAT I THINK THE INVESTMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE WITH F DOT, THEY'RE COMFORTABLE USING THIS AS A VENUE TO COMMUNICATE.
THEY DON'T HAVE THE COMMUNICATIONS SETUP LIKE WE DO WITH OUR DEPARTMENT, WHICH DOES AN INCREDIBLE JOB.
IT'S CLEAR. IF YOU LOOK, THEY GET THEIR PROCESS AND THEY STICK TO IT AND ONCE A MONTH UPDATE OR WHATEVER.
>> THEY DON'T LIVE HERE. WELLINGTON'S.
>> UNDERSTAND. BUT YOU COULD HEAR HOW THEY WERE GRATEFUL AND RELY UPON THE TOWN.
IN ANY EVENT, I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT PARTICULARLY TO FELLOW PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER ON THE DIAS HERE THAT IN FACT, I KNOW OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER OBJECTED TO THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL BEING TAKEN OUT, BUT HAD HIS PROFESSIONAL OPINION AND HE WAS RIGHT.
I JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZE OUR STAFF AND WE HAVE OURS, TOO, AND EVERYBODY WAS RIGHT, SO IT DOESN'T MATTER IT'S BEING CORRECTED.
I THANK HIM FOR THAT. WITH THAT, THE TIME IS 10:13, AND WE'LL ADJOURN THE MEETING.
>> LET'S SEE IF I CAN MAKE IT HOME.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.