[CALL TO ORDER]
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THE TIME IS NOW 7:00 PM, AND I'LL CALL TO ORDER THE TOWN COUNCIL MEETING OF TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 3RD.WE'LL BEGIN WITH AN INVOCATION, FOLLOWED BY A MOMENT OF SILENCE AND THEN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
AND FOR ALL THOSE THAT ARE ABLE, PLEASE JOIN ME IN STANDING.
>> DEAR GOD, PROVIDE US WITH WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING THAT WE MAY USE THE BEST SKILLS AND A JUDGMENT ON THE ITEMS BEFORE US TONIGHT.
AMEN. LET'S HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
>> PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE.
>> CAN WE HAVE THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE?
>> WE BEGIN TONIGHT WITH THE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON
[Items 1 & 2]
THE BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR '25 AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO STAFF.>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL.
SCOTT REYNOLDS FINANCE DIRECTOR FOR THE TOWN OF JUPITER.
AS YOU JUST INDICATED, WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING TO TALK ABOUT THE MILLAGE RATE, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE ROLLBACK RATE, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE OPERATIONS BUDGET, AND THE TOWN'S PROPOSED CIP BUDGET.
BUT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER.
WE HAD A WORKSHOP FOR THE OPERATING BUDGET ON JUNE 20TH, AND WE SET THE TRIM RATE, WHICH IS THE MILLAGE RATE THAT GETS NOTICED TO THE CITIZENS.
WE SET THAT IN JULY AND SET THE DATE OF THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH WE'RE AT THIS EVENING, SEPTEMBER 3RD.
WE ALSO HAD A CIP WORKSHOP ON AUGUST 14TH, AND ALSO THERE WAS AN UPDATE TO THE OPERATING BUDGET DISCUSSED DURING THAT WORKSHOP.
THE BUDGET OBJECTIVES AND ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN OPERATING UNDER FOR THIS PROPOSED BUDGET WAS TO MAINTAIN THE TOWN'S MILLAGE RATE OF 2.3894.
WE HAD AD VALOREM TAX REVENUE INCREASES DUE TO FORECASTED INCREASES IN THE PROPERTY VALUES ALONG WITH SOME NEW CONSTRUCTION.
WE HAD A WATER RATE INDEX DISCUSSION OF 3% AND ALSO A PROPOSED STORMWATER RATE INDEX OF 7%, WHICH IS ON THE COUNCIL AGENDA THIS EVENING FOR PROPOSED ADOPTION.
ALSO FOR EXPENDITURES, WE'VE PROPOSED A 5% INCREASE IN NON-UNION EMPLOYEE SALARIES, MAINTAINING A 90-10 SPLIT OF THE HEALTH CARE COST BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE EMPLOYEES, AND ALSO MAINTAINING THE LEVEL OF CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE EMPLOYEE'S HSA ACCOUNTS.
ALSO, WE HAVE A CONTRACT FOR THE PD, THE UNION SALARIES HAVE INCREASED AS PER THE UNION CONTRACT, AND THERE IS NO USE OF RESERVES IN FY25, SPECIFICALLY RELATING TO THE IMPLEMENTATION OR GOING INTO THE SECOND YEAR OF THE JUPITER FIRE RESCUE.
TALKING ABOUT THE PROPERTY VALUES, THE VALUE FOR FY25 IS $17.2 BILLION OVER THE $15.8 BILLION FROM FY 24, AN INCREASE OF 1.4 BILLION, THAT EQUATES TO 8.9% FOR THE INCREASE IN JUST VALUES ALONE AND LESS THAN 1% FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.
WE TALK ABOUT THAT EVERY YEAR, I KEEP POINTING THIS OUT.
THE TOWN IS NEARING BUILDOUT, AND YOU LOOK AT OTHER JURISDICTIONS THROUGHOUT PALM BEACH COUNTY, THEIR PERCENTAGE BASED ON NEW CONSTRUCTION IS MUCH HIGHER THAN JUPITER.
WE'VE BEEN AVERAGING LESS THAN 1% THE LAST FEW YEARS.
I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BECOME THE TREND GOING FORWARD, AND MOST LIKELY, IT'LL JUST BE BASED ON VALUATION INCREASES GOING FORWARD, SO KEEPING THAT IN MIND.
BASED ON THE 95% COLLECTION RATE WITH THE PROPOSED MILLAGE RATE OF 2.3894, THAT WOULD BE 41,251,299, UNDER THE ROLLBACK RATE OF 2.2103, THAT WOULD BE 38,159,265.
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THE PROPOSED INCREASE OVER THE ROLLBACK IS $3,092,035.LOOKING AT AN OVERVIEW OF THE BUDGET FOR FY25, THE FY25 REPRESENTS A DECREASE OF $980,000 OVER THE REVISED BUDGET, 843,000 OVER WHAT WAS ADOPTED.
IN THE GENERAL FUND ALONE, THOUGH, THERE WAS A $6.1 MILLION INCREASE PRIMARILY DUE TO SALARY AND BENEFIT INCREASES AND THE OPERATING TRANSFER FOR THE JUPITER FIRE RESCUE, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT.
THERE'S A $482,000 DECREASE IN '25 IN THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT PLAN.
AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS DURING THE CIP WORKSHOP, LOOKING AT THE FY25 YEAR ONLY, NOT LOOKING AT THE FIVE-YEAR FORECAST, BUT IN THE CURRENT OR PROPOSED FY25 YEAR.
WE'RE LOOKING AT A $482,000 DECREASE IN THE GENERAL PORTION.
THEN AS WE JUST INDICATED EARLIER, PROPOSING A 3% RATE INDEX FOR WATER AND 7% RATE INDEX FOR STORMWATER.
THE GENERAL FUND, WE JUST INDICATED A $6.1 MILLION INCREASE IN REVENUES, INCREASE IS PRIMARILY DUE TO THE ASSESSED VALUE INCREASES OF $2.6 MILLION OVER FY24, ALSO FRANCHISE FEE INCREASES, INTERGOVERNMENTAL REVENUES, ALSO INCREASES IN SOLID WASTE CHARGES OF $273,000, ALSO AN INCREASE IN THE INTEREST EARNINGS OF $2.9 MILLION OVER FY24.
AGAIN, NO USE OF RESERVES, I WANT TO MAKE SURE TO POINT THAT OUT.
IN THE GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES, AGAIN, THE $6.1 MILLION INCREASE.
YOU CAN SEE 2.9 OF THAT IS EQUITABLE TO THE TRANSFER FOR THE JUPITER FIRE RESCUE.
THAT CONSISTS OF THE OPERATING FUND AND ANY DEBT SERVICE WE'RE ASSUMING NEXT YEAR.
BUT THE PRIMARY DRIVERS OF THAT 6.1 MILLION IS THE SALARY AND BENEFITS, ALONG WITH THE TRANSFER OF THE JUPITER FIRE RESCUE, ALONG WITH ITEMS SUCH AS INSURANCE AND UTILITIES.
FOR THE OPERATING PORTION OF THE JUPITER FIRE RESCUE IS $2.6 MILLION.
THIS IS THE FIRST FULL YEAR OF OPERATING.
AGAIN, NO USE OF RESERVES TO FUND THE PROPOSED OPERATING BUDGET FOR THE JUPITER FIRE RESCUE GOING INTO NEXT YEAR.
INDEX FOR THE WATER FUND, THE INDEX BEING PROPOSED IS 3%, THAT'S A $1.2 MILLION INCREASE IN CHARGES FOR SERVICE AND JUST OVER A $300,000 USE OF RETAINED EARNINGS TO BALANCE THE BUDGET.
FOR THE EXPENSES, AS WE DISCUSSED EARLIER, THERE'S A 5% INCREASE IN SALARIES, THERE'S NO NEW POSITIONS BEING PROPOSED IN THE WATER FUND, WE SEE A SLIGHT REDUCTION IN THE DEBT SERVICE, INCREASE IN UTILITY SERVICES DUE TO THE FP&L RATE INCREASES, $179,000, THERE'S ACTUALLY A DECREASE IN CHEMICAL COST OF $45,000 OVER FY24, AND THEN A SLIGHT OFFSETTING INCREASE FOR PROPERTY AND LIABILITY INSURANCE, AND THEN THERE'S AN INCREASE IN THE REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE BUDGET OF 352,000.
FOR THE STORMWATER FUND, 7% INDEX IS BEING RECOMMENDED.
THERE'S $468,000 IN RETAINED EARNINGS TO OFFSET EXPENSES OF 5% SALARY INCREASES, THERE'S $170,000 INCREASE IN MACHINERY AND EQUIPMENT, AND ALSO $114,000 INCREASE IN PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.
AGAIN, THE JUPITER RIVER ESTATES NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT FUND, IT'S VERY LOW THIS YEAR, BUT WE ARE CONTINUING TO ACCUMULATE THE FUNDS.
YOU'LL SEE THE ACTUAL CONTRACT COME INTO PLAY WHERE YOU'LL SEE THE EXPENDITURES FOR THE CLEANING, THAT WILL TAKE, NOT NEXT YEAR, BUT THE YEAR AFTER, 2026 IS WHEN WE'LL START THE CLEANING.
SO YOU'LL START TO SEE THOSE EXPENDITURES INCREASE IN THE FOLLOWING YEAR FOR '26.
THE BUILDING FUND, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A VERY STABLE FUND.
YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT WE'RE ESTIMATING ABOUT A $50,000 INCREASE IN PERMIT REVENUE.
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INTEREST EARNINGS HAVE ASSISTED THE FUND AND NO USE OF RETAINED EARNINGS.WE HAVE A 5% INCREASE IN THE SALARIES WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT, INCREASE OVER FY24 OF JUST OVER $300,000, PRIMARILY DUE TO CONTRACT LABOR OF $129,000 AND REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE OF $140,000.
WE ARE CONTINUING TO MONITOR THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND, WE ARE FEELING THAT WE WILL DEFINITELY MEET OUR GOAL OF THE $10 MILLION, AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.
IT WAS ONE OF THE EARLY GOALS WHEN WE SET UP THE FUND, THAT WE HAVE THAT TYPE OF RESERVE TO BE ABLE TO FACE ANYTHING THAT MAY BE COMING IN THE TOWN'S WAY, AND I FEEL THAT WE'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO MAKE THAT IN FY25.
WHEN WE DO MEET THAT, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE FIRST OF THE CALENDAR YEAR, WE HAVE TO MONITOR THAT, WE HAVE TO SEND IN A REPORT TO THE STATE REPORTING OUR BALANCES, AND AT THAT POINT, IF WE HAVE EXCEEDED THE $10 MILLION GOAL, WE WILL BE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL TO REPORT THAT AND MAYBE HAVE SOME OPTIONS OF WHAT WE COULD DO WITH THOSE EXCESS FUNDS.
THE CIP BUDGET AND HOW IT'S FUNDED.
YOU CAN SEE WE DISCUSSED IN THE FY25 WINDOW, IT'S $23.3 MILLION, OVER THE FIVE-YEAR PERIOD, IT'S $98 MILLION.
YOU CAN SEE A NUMBER OF FUNDING SOURCES ALONG WITH THE GENERAL REVENUES TO HELP FUND THE CIP, WHICH ALSO INCLUDES THE USE OF TAX PROCEEDS.
IN SUMMARY, STAFF SEEKS APPROVAL ON FIRST READING OF THE PROPOSED OPERATING MILLAGE AT 2.3894 AND THE DEBT SERVICE RATE OF 0.0854 THROUGH ORDINANCE 20-24.
ALSO ON FIRST READING, THE PROPOSED 2025-'29 COMMUNITY INVESTMENT PROGRAM THROUGH ORDINANCE 21-24, AND THEN DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS REGARDING THE OPERATING BUDGET, IT'S A RESOLUTION, IT IS BEING PRESENTED THIS EVENING FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES AND PUBLIC HEARING, BUT THE RESOLUTION WILL BE ASKED TO BE APPROVED AT SECOND READING, WHICH IS ON, ACTUALLY THIS SAYS THE 19TH, WE ARE PROPOSING TO MOVE THAT TO THE 18TH.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
>> I JUST HAVE ONE, AND YOU JUST TOUCHED ON IT.
WE HAVE THREE AGENDA ITEMS. ONE IS, WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE ON A MILLAGE RATE, I'M GOING TO DO THIS IN ORDER WHEN WE COME TO THAT POINT, THE SECOND ONE IS WE REVIEW THE BUDGET AND PAY PLAN, AND THAT INCLUDES THE RESOLUTION 10724 THAT WE WON'T BE ACTING ON TONIGHT.
BUT ON THE AGENDA ITEM 2, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE OPERATING BUDGET, CORRECT? THEN LASTLY, ITEM 3, WE TALK ABOUT AN ORDINANCE FOR THE CIP.
WITH THAT, I THINK A GOOD PLACE TO START IS, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS?
>> YES. WE HAVE ONE FOR ITEM 2, LINDA MCDERMOTT.
I'M REFERENCING THE BUDGET AND JUST THE WAY THAT IT'S BEEN PRESENTED, I NOTICED THAT THE FUND COMPARISON SHOW TRULY THE AMENDED BUDGET OF FY24 AND NOT THE ADOPTED BUDGET, MAKES A VERY BIG DIFFERENCE BECAUSE THE REVISED OR AMENDED BUDGET INCLUDED 11.4 MILLION FOR JUPITER FIRE RESCUE, AND THAT'S THE CAPITAL THAT DID COME FORWARD AND IS THERE FROM THE RESERVES TO BE USED.
WHILE IT SAYS THE PROPOSED 2025 OPERATING BUDGETS REPRESENT A 980,000 DECREASE OVER THE '24 REVISED BUDGET, I REALLY THINK THE PUBLIC NEEDS CLARIFICATION.
I UNDERSTAND THAT SCOTT UNDERSTANDS AND THE TOWN MANAGER UNDERSTANDS, AND YOU PROBABLY DO BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING.
BUT FOR THE PUBLIC WHO DOESN'T DEAL IN THESE BUDGETS EVERY DAY, AND REALLY ONLY WANTS TO KNOW THE END RESULT, HOW MUCH ARE MY TAXES GOING UP AND WHAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE AND WHAT MADE THAT DIFFERENCE? BY COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES, YOU REALLY NEED TO COMPARE ADOPTED BUDGET TO ADOPTED.
LAST YEAR ON OCTOBER 3RD, THERE WAS A HUGE BUDGET AMENDMENT OF 16%.
WHEN YOU HAVE A $70 MILLION GENERAL FUND OPERATING BUDGET, AND YOU INCREASE IT BY $11.4 MILLION THREE DAYS AFTER YOU ADOPTED BUDGET, THAT'S MAJOR.
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IT WAS DONE, AGREED ON, NOW WE GO FORWARD, WE HAVE MORE AMENDMENTS.BUT WHEN YOU'RE DOING YOUR NEXT YEAR BUDGET, YOU CANNOT COMPARE YOUR REVISED BUDGET TO THE NEW ADOPTED BUDGET, THAT'S NOT WHAT YOUR MILAGE RATE WAS BUILT ON.
I'M JUST TRYING TO BRING THAT OUT BECAUSE THE GENERAL PUBLIC DOESN'T UNDERSTAND IF YOU LOOK AT THIS ALL OVER IT, SOMETIMES IT SAYS OPERATING BUDGET VERSUS ADOPTED, SOMETIMES IT SAYS REVISED BUDGET VERSUS ADOPTED.
THE COMPARISONS OF DOLLARS, $980,000 DECREASE OVER '24 REVISED BUDGET, IT DOES SAY.
NOW THAT'S A TRUTH, NOT A LIE, BUT IT'S NOT ADOPTED VERSUS ADOPTED.
IT REALLY DOES NEED TO BE CLARIFIED. THANK YOU.
>> MR. REYNOLDS, IF YOU'LL HAVE TO SPEAK TO THAT, PLEASE?
>> WELL, THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO GIVE THE DISCLAIMER AS I DID AS I WENT THROUGH THE PRESENTATION TO INDICATE THAT THE ADOPTED BUDGET WHEN YOU'RE MAKING THAT COMPARISON, WHAT THAT NUMBER WOULD BE AS WELL.
>> BUT THERE'S ALSO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE AN OPERATING BUDGET WE APPROVED AND THEN WE HAVE A CAPITAL BUDGET.
>> WE HAVE TWO SEPARATE BUDGETS, THAT'S CORRECT.
>> AS AN EXAMPLE, THE FUNDS WHEN WE, AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE APPROPRIATED MONEY TO BE ABLE TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT, CORRECT?
>> SO WHEN IN OCTOBER LAST YEAR WE ADJUSTED THE BUDGET IN ORDER TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT AGREEMENT, THAT WAS ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, EFFECTIVELY, RIGHT?
>> ACTUALLY, WE SEGREGATED IT OUT INTO A SEPARATE FUND, THE FIRE FUND SO CAN TRACK THOSE EXPENDITURES SEPARATELY.
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY UNIQUE.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU WERE REINFORCING.
>> WE POINT THAT OUT EVEN IN THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT, YOU CAN SEE THE FIRE FUND IN ITSELF, IT SHOWS THE $11 MILLION THAT LINDA IS REFERENCING SO THAT YOU GET THAT COMPARISON.
EVEN THOUGH THAT IS AN AMENDED AMOUNT, YOU WANT TO SEE THOSE DOLLARS IN THERE BECAUSE ONE THING THAT WE TOLD THE COUNCIL AND WE TOLD THE PUBLIC GOING FORWARD IS THAT THE FIRE FUND ITSELF, WE WERE GOING TO PLACE IT IN A SEGREGATED FUND SO THAT EVERYBODY COULD SEE WHAT WE'RE BUDGETING FOR AND ALSO THE EXPENDITURES THAT GO WITH THAT.
EVERY QUARTER WE REPORT OUT ON THAT AS WELL.
WE'VE BEEN VERY TRANSPARENT IN THAT, MAKING SURE THAT THE PUBLIC IS AWARE ON HOW MUCH MONEY IS COMING INTO THE FUND AND WHERE THE FUNDS COME FROM AS WELL.
>> I'LL GO TO COUNCIL IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON ITEMS 1 AND 2, WHICH REALLY IS THE OPERATING BUDGET AND THE MILLAGE RATE.
>> THE HEALTH INSURANCE FUND, THE GOAL OF 10 MILLION.
ONCE WE GET TO THAT BENCHMARK, YOU SAID WHAT TO DO WITH THE EXTRA FUNDS, OR WOULD YOU WANT TO KEEP GOING AND KEEP ADDING MONEY TO THAT ACCOUNT, OR IS 10 MILLION THE GOAL AND GOING TO LEAVE IT THERE?
>> WE'VE HAD A GOAL FROM THE DAIS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT $10 MILLION.
I THINK ONCE WE GET AFTER THE FIRST OF THE CALENDAR YEAR OUR REPORTING PERIOD TO THE STATE, WE MAY HAVE EXCESS MONEY OF $10 MILLION AT THAT POINT.
WE'D LIKE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND SEE WHAT THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO DO WITH THOSE ADDITIONAL FUNDS.
THAT COULD BE ANYTHING ELSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
YOU CAN HELP FUND HSA FUNDING GOING FORWARD.
WE CAN ALSO HAVE A PREMIUM HOLIDAY.
THERE'S A WHOLE HOST OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WE CAN DO WITH THE EXCESS FUNDS BECAUSE THE TOWN, THE TAXPAYERS HAVE PAID INTO THIS FUND, ALONG WITH THE EMPLOYEES SO IT'S A GROUP COMMUNAL FUND.
>> THE 10 MILLION, IS THAT EARNING INTEREST?
>> WHAT SORT OF A FUND IS THAT IN?
>> WHAT KIND OF A FUND IS THAT IN?
>> THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE GENERAL FUND.
IT'S A PORTION OF THE GENERAL FUNDS.
BUT THOSE INTEREST EARNINGS ARE COMING INTO THE GENERAL FUND.
>> I KNOW ON THAT ONE, WHEN WE HAD ONE-ON-ONE SESSIONS, WE HAD SOME CONVERSATION, BUT WHAT WE HEARD TONIGHT IS, WHEN WE EXCEED 10 MILLION, THEN IT COULD COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR SOME POLICY GUIDANCE. WE'RE NOT YET THERE.
>> I WAS JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE I DIDN'T BRING IT UP WHEN I MET WITH SCOTT AND STAFF. JUST CURIOUS.
>> WE WILL DEFINITELY BE REPORTING OUT AFTER THE REPORTING PERIOD IN JANUARY.
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WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS AT LENGTH THIS SUMMER. THANK YOU.>> AGAIN, I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR A 6% SALARY INCREASE FOR THE TOWN EMPLOYEES IN THE PAST FEW MEETINGS, AND I DON'T SEE THAT REPRESENTED HERE.
BEFORE I VOTE ON THIS, I'D LIKE TO SEE IF THERE'S SUPPORT TO INCREASE THE SALARY INCREASES FOR THE TOWN EMPLOYEES FROM 5% TO 6%.
I KNOW IT WAS PRESENTED. IT WAS AN ADDITIONAL $200,000.
LOOKING AT MAYBE A REDUCTION IN THE CONTINGENCY FUND FOR THE GENERAL FUND TRANSFER WOULD BE A LINE ITEM THAT WE COULD REDUCE FROM 712,000 DOWN TO BE ABLE TO GET THE EMPLOYEES A 6% INCREASE INSTEAD OF 5%.
>> WHAT'S IT SET AT NOW? FIVE PERCENT IS WHAT THE UNION CONTRACT CALLS FOR?
>> THAT'S A STEP PLAN FOR THE POLICE OFFICERS.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE NON-UNION EMPLOYEES, ARE SET FOR A 5%.
I WAS GOING TO GIVE THEM A SIX.
>> IT'S APPROXIMATELY 5%, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT. CLOSE TO THE SAME THING.
>> THEY GET A CONTRACTUAL RAISE ALONG WITH THE STEP RAISE, BUT THE GENERAL EMPLOYEES DON'T GET THAT STEP.
I BELIEVE PALM BEACH COUNTY HAS GIVEN THEIR EMPLOYEES A 6% MERIT FOR THEIR NON-UNION.
I JUST WANTED TO BE ABLE TO GIVE OUR EMPLOYEES A 6% AS WELL.
>> I HAVE TO ADMIT I'M SOMEWHAT IN FAVOR OF THAT AS WELL.
OUR STAFF HAS DONE AN AMAZING JOB.
OUR TOWN EMPLOYEES ARE DOING A GREAT JOB.
I'M OPEN TO ENTERTAINING SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
MAYBE NOT THAT PARTICULAR ITEM, BUT I'M OPEN TO SOME TYPE.
>> I WOULD DEFER TO SCOTT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THAT WORK.
BUT AGAIN, I SAID IT IN MY STAFF MEETING, I SAID IT HERE LAST TIME THAT I WAS LOOKING TO GIVE A 6% TO THE EMPLOYEES OF THE TOWN.
>> IT'S GOING TO BE THE WILL OF THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL UP HERE, BUT WE'RE SETTING A MILLAGE RATE.
I WOULD HAVE PREFERRED THE WAY THIS PROCESS WORKS TO REDUCE THE MILLAGE, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW UNTIL WE REALLY PUT THE WHOLE BUDGET TOGETHER WHETHER WE'RE CAPABLE OF DOING THAT.
THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER VARIATION, IF YOU WILL, TO ADJUST STUFF IN THE BUDGET.
I'M NOT SURE HOW TO PROCEED HERE OTHER THAN REALLY TO SEE IF THERE'S A CONSENSUS OF SUPPORT OR NOT.
AGAIN, INTERESTINGLY, I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE REDUCED THE MILLAGE RATE.
I THINK WE HAVE SOME UNIQUE THINGS IN THE TOWN THAT WAS WILLING TO SWALLOW ON THAT.
BUT IN ANY EVENT, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO WEIGH IN ON THAT.
>> I WOULD BE MORE INTERESTED, WELL, NOT MORE, BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO REDUCE THE MILLAGE RATE, BUT THERE'S A LOT ON THE PLATE THIS YEAR.
SO I'D HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THIS.
DON'T THINK I WOULD MAKE A DECISION ON TONIGHT.
>> OBVIOUSLY, THE PROBLEM A LOT OF CITIZENS ARE SEEING IS THEIR PROPERTY VALUE IS GONE UP.
BY HOLDING THE MILLAGE RATE, THEIR TAXES ARE GOING UP.
THEY'RE SEEING AS A TAX INCREASE, SO IT'S A TRICKY SITUATION.
THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION TO SAVE OUR HOMES MITIGATES THAT FOR SOME OLD TIMERS, BUT CERTAINLY NOT FOR THE MAJORITY.
>> FIFTY PERCENT OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, WE HAVE THAT STATISTICS [INAUDIBLE].
>> I'M SURPRISED IT'S THAT HIGH.
BUT AS YOU POINTED OUT, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS ON OUR PLATE RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING.
I'M RELUCTANT TO ROLL THAT BACK.
I WOULD LIKE SOME RELIEF FOR THE 50%, PROPERTY TAXES ARE GOING UP, BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO OFFSET THAT WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WHEN THE PROPERTY TAXES DO DECREASE BECAUSE OF THAT DECISION WE'VE MADE.
>> WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE FULL BUDGET AS WELL, AND THAT WOULD CERTAINLY IMPACT A NUMBER OF THINGS.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY IN THE ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT AND CERTAINLY, WE SAW THAT ON THE NEWS A LITTLE EVEN TODAY.
WE DID REDUCE OUR MILLAGE LAST YEAR, AND SO WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO BE STICKY.
YOU DON'T WANT IT TO MOVE RAPIDLY AND CHANGE EVERY YEAR.
YOU WANT CONSISTENCY FOR BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS.
IT'S SOMETHING WE'D CERTAINLY HAVE TO LOOK AT.
MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT WE HAD CONSENSUS ON THE 5%.
I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT BECAUSE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT EARLIER THIS SUMMER.
>> WE DID HAVE A CONSENSUS AT THE TIME, YES.
>> WERE THE PERCENT INCREASED FOR THE EMPLOYEES?
THAT'S WHAT THE VICE MAYOR HAD INDICATED.
>> WE WILL PROCEEDED FORWARD WITH A 5%, YES.
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>> I'LL TAKE A MOTION IN A SECOND ON ORDINANCE 20-24.
>> MOTION TO SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT SETTING THE MILLAGE RATE?
>> I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT IT TONIGHT JUST BECAUSE I REALLY WANTED THAT 6%, BUT IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT SOMETHING BY SECOND READING, THEN MAYBE I'LL SUPPORT IT THEN.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>> MOTION CARRIES 4-1 WITH COUNCILOR MAY DISSENTING.
>> THAT'S RIGHT. I'M SORRY. COULD YOU READ ORDINANCE 20-24 IN SHORT TITLE?
AN ORDINANCE OF THE TOWN COUNCIL OF TOWN OF JUPITER, FLORIDA, ADOPTING A MILLAGE RATE TO BE LEVIED BY THE TOWN OF JUPITER ON TAXABLE REAL, INTANGIBLE PERSONAL PROPERTY WITHIN THE TOWN FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING OCTOBER 1, 2024, AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30, 2025.
STATING THE ROLLED BACK MILLAGE RATE, STATING THE PERCENT BY WHICH THE MILLAGE RATE EXCEEDS IF ANY, THE ROLLED BACK MILLAGE RATE, AND LEVYING AD VALOREM TAXES ON ALL TAXABLE REAL INTANGIBLE PERSONAL PROPERTY IN THE TOWN OF JUPITER FOR THE SAID FISCAL YEAR.
>> THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO SECOND ADDED MONDAY AGENDA, REVIEW OF THE TOWN'S BUDGET AND PAY PLAN IN THE RESOLUTION 10724.
THERE'S NO ACTION FOR US TO TAKE ON THAT OR MOTION.
I THINK IF ANYBODY HAS ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS BEYOND WHAT THEY'VE MADE.
>> NONE? SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ORDINANCE 21-24.
[3. Ordinance 21-24, First Reading, Approving the Fiscal Year 2025-2029 Community Investment Program.]
ON FIRST READING, APPROVING THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT PROGRAM.DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THAT?
>> I HAVE A NUMBER THAT I WANTED TO GO THROUGH QUICKLY HERE ON THIS.
BEFORE PROVIDING MY CRITIQUE ABOUT FIRST READING CIP BUDGET, I CERTAINLY WANT TO RECOGNIZE THE WORK BY STAFF TO PRODUCE IT.
IT TAKES AN EXTRAORDINARY EFFORT EVERY YEAR.
THE FINANCE TEAM HAS DONE AN INCREDIBLE JOB IN OVERSEEING DEVELOPMENT AND UPDATING THE CIP BUDGET PLAN AND QUANTIFYING THE BUDGETARY IMPLICATIONS.
THE TOWN MANAGER AND LEADERSHIP TEAM HAVE BEEN DILIGENTLY WORKING TO IMPROVE OVERALL PROJECT MANAGEMENT PRACTICES TO ENABLE SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS IN PLANNING AND IMPLEMENTATION OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.
I'M CERTAINLY GRATEFUL FOR THOSE EFFORTS.
THE TOTAL BUDGET BALANCE CARRY FORWARD AMOUNTS CONTINUE TO BE TOO HIGH IN MY OPINION.
SOME FULLY FUNDED PROJECTS SLIP AND SCHEDULE YEAR AFTER YEAR.
WHEN THAT HAPPENS, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT IN SERVICE DATE IS PUSHED FURTHER AND FURTHER INTO THE FUTURE.
EXAMPLE, WE HAVE $115 MILLION IN CAPITAL FUNDING THAT'S ROLLING OVER FROM '24 INTO '25.
FORTY MILLION OF THAT IS ENCUMBERED BY CONTRACT COMMITMENTS, SO WE HAVE 75.8 MILLION OF CARRY OVER FUNDING THAT IS UNENCUMBERED.
IF YOU DO AN ANALYSIS OF THE MOST RECENT DECADE OF CAPITAL BUDGET PLANS, THE AVERAGE SPEND HAS BEEN IN THE 15-20 MILLION PER YEAR RANGE.
I'VE CONTENDED FOR YEARS THAT WE HAVE TOO MUCH IN THE CARRY OVER FUNDING THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO REALLY USE, AND IT REALLY DOES AFFECT WHAT'S IN THE FIRST AND SECOND YEAR, I DO BELIEVE.
I DO THINK SOME THINGS HAVE TO CHANGE ON THAT.
IN REFLECTING, THIS YEAR'S CIP FINALIZATION PERIOD SEEMED THE MOST COMPRESSED EVER.
I THINK THAT MAYBE CERTAINLY PREVENTED ME FROM GETTING SOME CHANGES THAT I THOUGHT WERE NECESSARY.
THE FIRST PRESENTATION WORKSHOP WAS AUGUST 14TH.
NOT MUCH TIME FOR STAFF TO RECEIVE BUDGET CRITIQUE AND INCORPORATE CHANGES.
I STILL HAVE UNRESOLVED CRITIQUE FEEDBACK CAUSING ME TO BE UNSUPPORTIVE OF THE CIP BUDGET ON FIRST READING.
I WAS ADVISED BY THE TOWN MANAGER THAT I NEED AT LEAST TWO OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS TO AGREE TO MY REQUEST FOR CHANGES, OTHERWISE, THEY WILL NOT GET INCORPORATED INTO THE SECOND READING CIP BUDGET.
HERE GOES. WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS,
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I HAVE 15 CIP PROJECTS WITH REQUESTED CHANGES.I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THEM QUICKLY.
I DON'T BELIEVE Q&A WITH STAFF WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
IF A TOWN COUNCIL MAJORITY AGREES WITH ME, THEN STAFF CAN HANDLE IT AS AN ACTION ITEM BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING.
I THINK THAT'D BE THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO HANDLE THIS.
FIRST OF ALL, ENGINEERING PROJECTS.
THIS GIVES A FLAVOR, I THINK, OF IMPROVEMENT OPPORTUNITIES, BUT WE GET ONE BITE AT THE BUDGET PROCESS, AND THEN WE DON'T GET IT AGAIN FOR A YEAR.
I'M RELUCTANT WITHOUT GETTING SOME ACTION ON THESE STUFF, THEN I'M NOT COMFORTABLE THAT WE'RE REALLY GOING FORTH WITH THE PLANNING EFFORT THAT WE NEED AND IMPLEMENTATION EFFORTS.
I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, BUT THE FIRST ITEM IS PROJECT E0038, WHICH IS THE COLLECTOR ROADWAY LIGHTING PROJECT.
IT'S A PROJECT THAT WAS FIRST FUNDED BEGINNING IN 2010 FOR 12 ROADS.
NEXT YEAR, WE ADDED 13TH ROAD.
IT WAS EXPECTED TO BE IMPLEMENTED OVER THREE YEARS BEGINNING IN 2014.
IN 2020'S BUDGET, WHICH IS IN 2019, THE PROJECT FELL OUT OF THE CIP PLAN AND BEGAN TO BE LISTED AS A BALANCE CARRY FORWARD PROJECT.
I TRIED TO BE EFFICIENT AND NOT TIE UP COUNCIL IN THE WORKSHOP.
I'M NOT EVEN SURE I UNDERSTAND WHERE WE STAND ON THAT PROJECT, ALTHOUGH I KNOW IT'S NOT YET DONE BECAUSE WE HAVE FUNDING.
BUT THE PROJECT WAS FULLY FUNDED ABOUT A DECADE AGO AND IS LANGUAGE YEAR AFTER YEAR.
I'VE INQUIRED ABOUT THE PROJECT EVERY YEAR.
QUITE FRANKLY, IT'S A VALID REQUIREMENT, IF I GET A MAJORITY TO AGREE WITH ME.
I WANT STAFF TO PROVIDE UPDATED PLANNED IN SERVICE DATE SCHEDULE COMMITMENTS FOR ALL FULLY FUNDED BALANCE CARRY FORWARD PROJECTS.
BY NOW, IT OUGHT TO BE ABLE BY QUARTER A YEAR.
I HAVE TWO DECADES OF PROJECT MANAGEMENT EXPERIENCE.
IF YOU'RE CARRYING OVER ALL THE BUDGET YOU HAD ON A PROJECT, BY THAT TIME, YOU OUGHT TO HAVE A HANDLE ON THE SCHEDULE.
SOME ARE MORE COMPLICATED TO GET STARTED.
RATHER THAN WE KEEP MOVING THIS DOWN THE ROAD, ON THIS ONE, WHAT ROADS ARE LEFT TO DO? I'D LIKE TO GET THAT CLEAR.
THEY TALKED ABOUT THREE MAYBE NOT BEING DONE, BUT I'M NOT CLEAR.
THERE'S 13. I'D JUST LIKE TO GET THAT CLARIFIED BEFORE NEXT READING AND I'D LIKE TO GET A COMMITMENT ON THAT PROJECT.
THE NEXT ONE IS E1901, WHICH IS THE JUPITER PARK DRIVE AT CENTRAL BOULEVARD INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS.
THAT'S A PROJECT THAT WAS FIRST FUNDED IN FISCAL YEAR '19.
WE HAD BUDGETARY COST INCREASE THROUGH FISCAL YEAR '23.
TWENTY-FOUR AND '25, IT'S FELL OUT OF THE BUDGET BOOK, AND IT'S CARRIED AS A BALANCE CARRY FORWARD PROJECT.
BASED UPON THE BALANCE CARRY FORWARD AMOUNT THAT I GOT FROM FINANCE, IT WOULD APPEAR NO PROJECT MANAGEMENT WORK IN FISCAL YEAR '24.
THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PROJECT TO ME.
I'VE BEEN PUSHING FORWARD FOR YEARS.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE. JUST REMEMBER, THESE ARE NO LONGER IN THE BOOK.
IT'S JUST LISTED AS A CARRY FORWARD PROJECT BY YEAR.
WHEN DATE SLIPS YEAR TO YEAR, DOES IT SLIPPED A WHOLE YEAR? IS IT SLIPPED A MONTH? WHEN IS IT GOING TO HAPPEN? I'D LIKE TO GET THAT AND KNOW THAT.
>> WHO'S THAT PROJECT AGAIN? DID YOU SAY JUPITER?
>> YOU SAID IT WAS JCP? WHICH ONE WAS THAT?
>> NO. THIS IS JUPITER PARK DRIVE IN CENTRAL BOULEVARD.
SOUTHERN EXTENSION AT ISLAND WAY, IT'S A STRATEGIC PRIORITY PROJECT FOR MANY YEARS.
IN MAY 21ST, '24, STRATEGIC PLAN HAS ADOPTED.
HAD DESIGN TARGET DATE COMPLETE OF 9/30/24.
I WANT TO GET A CLEAR STATUS ON THE ENGINEERING DESIGN WORK.
THEN IF IT HAS SLIPPED, WHAT'S THE COMMITMENT DATE FOR GETTING IT DONE? BUT IT'S A STRATEGIC PARTY.
I WASN'T ABLE TO GET THAT ANSWER JUST YET.
>> THE INDIANTOWN ROAD WESTERN CORRIDOR IMPROVEMENTS PHASE 2.
>> MAYOR, COULD WE GO BACK TO THE LAST ONE? WE WERE WE AT 60% ENGINEERING ON SOUTH ISLAND WAY.
>> IT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO TO 100%, THAT WAS IN THE STRATEGIC. [OVERLAPPING]
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>> AREN'T THEY WORKING ON THE 30-YEAR NOW?
I WAS REFERRING TO THE DOCUMENT THAT CAME OUT.
5/21/'24 WAS SHOWN AS BEING TARGET COMPLETE BY 9/30/'24, WHICH IS LESS THAN A MONTH AWAY.
>> WE STILL HAVE CONFLICTS WITH RIGHT OF WAY FOR THAT PROJECT, RIGHT?
>> THE QUESTION IS THERE'S STILL CONFLICTS IN TERMS OF THE RIGHT OF WAY, IN ACQUIRING RIGHT OF WAY.
>> YEAH, BUT WE WERE PROCEEDING WITH ENGINEERING.
I WANT TO KNOW IF WE'VE FINISHED ENGINEERING, THEN I WORK TO PUSH ON ACQUIRING THE RIGHT OF WAY. IT WAS A STRATEGY.
WE HAD TO MOVE ALONG A PRIORITY PROJECT THAT IS PRETTY IMPORTANT TO THE TOWN.
E-2400, WHICH IS THE INDIANTOWN ROAD WESTERN CORRIDOR IMPROVEMENTS PHASE 2, THIS IS THE ONE WHERE THE TOWN STAFF WAS SUCCESSFUL AND OUR LOBBYISTS ON GETTING GOVERNOR TO FUND IT IN THE FDOT PIECE IN '25.
I UNDERSTAND, THE FDOT MAY BE HEDGING ABOUT THAT.
I'M GOING TO BE PUSHING FDOT HARD ON THAT BECAUSE IT WAS BUDGETED, I ASKED.
IT WAS BUDGETED IN FISCAL YEAR '25.
IT DOESN'T YET SHOW THAT IN THE BUDGET, SO I KNOW THERE MAY BE DIFFERENCE OF OPINION.
WHAT WE ADOPT IS WHAT WE UNDERSTAND.
FDOT MONEY IS IN '25 BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, FOR EXAMPLE, IT SHOWS IT IN '26, '27, WHICH MEANS WE'LL NEVER GET THE PROJECT TO GET ANY PRIORITY UNTIL THEY HAVE THE FUNDING.
>> COULD YOU REPEAT THE NUMBER FOR THE ISLAND WAY PROJECT?
>> MOVING ON TO PARKS AND REC, JUST TWO ITEMS. R1701, WHICH IS THE REHAB OF BEACH DUNE CROSSOVERS, I BELIEVE THAT'S ONE WHERE WE FUNDED.
I BELIEVE ALL THE WORK'S DONE.
WE WENT THROUGH THE NATURAL UP TO BUDGET TO GET IT DONE.
THAT PROJECT NOW, STARTING IN LAST YEAR AND THEN THIS YEAR, IT'S NO LONGER IN THE CIP, BUT IT'S SHOWN HAVING CARRYOVER FUNDING, AND IT'S MOVED IN SERVICE FISCAL YEAR '29, SO I'M A BIT PUZZLED BY THAT.
IF THE PROJECT WAS DONE, WHAT ARE WE HOLDING ON THE MONEY? BECAUSE WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE MORE DUNE CROSSOVERS.
BUT JUST STRANGELY, THE LAST TIME IT APPEARED IN THE BUDGET BOOK, IT WAS TO BE COMPLETED IN '23.
THEN IT FELL OUT, BUT WE HAVE MONEY.
WE HAVE 118,000, AND IT'S SHOWING WE'RE HOLDING ONTO IT FOR FISCAL YEAR '29.
I THINK THAT PROJECT SHOULD BE CLOSED OUT, OR SOMEBODY EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT ARE WE GOING TO BE DOING BETWEEN NOW AND '29.
THE R2202, THE PLAYGROUND RESTORATION.
>> R2202, PLAYGROUND RESTORATION.
ON THAT ONE, IT INCLUDED DAILY PARK OF 400,000 IN GENERAL REVENUES IN '26, AND THEN OFFICER BRUCE ST. LAURENT PARK OF HALF MILLION REVENUES IN '29.
NOW, G2300, WHICH IS THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANTS, INCLUDES THOSE TWO PARKS WITH FUNDING OF $270,000 IN CDBG FUNDING.
JUST THE ONE QUESTION OF STAFF IS IF THESE ARE THE SAME PROJECTS, CAN WE JUST CLARIFY THAT THERE'S NO BUDGETARY FUNDING OVERLAP? BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE IT IN ONE, AND IT COULD HAVE BEEN, IN FACT.
WHEN I SAW IT IN THE 2301, I COMPLIMENTED STAFF FOR BEING VERY THOROUGH IN PLANNING A FIVE-YEAR SPENDING ON THE CDBG FUNDS.
BUT IT MAY JUST HAVE BEEN THAT IN DOING, IT ENDED UP IN TWO SPOTS.
PROBABLY WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH IN 2,300, BUT IF THERE'S SOME REDUNDANCY THERE, JUST CORRECT THAT.
MOVING ON TO THE UTILITIES, W2007, WHICH IS THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT HARDENED SERVICE BUILDING, THAT'S A PROJECT THAT ORIGINATED IN 2021 AS A $1.2 MILLION PROJECT.
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IT WAS REVIEWED BY THE DESIGN ARCHITECT OF APRIL OF '23.THE BUDGET WAS INCREASED TO 1.8 MILLION.
WE DID SPEND $76,000 ON ENGINEERING ARCHITECTURAL SERVICES.
THIS YEAR, WE GOT A REQUEST FOR A $2.8 MILLION BUDGET INCREASE, SO THE PROJECT HAS GONE FROM 1.2 MILLION TO 4.6 MILLION.
THE PROJECT COSTS HAVE ALMOST QUADRUPLED SINCE PROJECT ORIGINATION.
NOW, THERE MUST BE SOME KEY LESSONS TO BE LEARNED FROM THIS PROJECT.
I CAN SEE HOW A PROJECT IN AN EXISTING PLANT CAN BECOME COMPLICATED.
I DID THIS FOR 20 YEARS, THE TOWN UTILITY.
WHAT I WANT TO ASK IS STAFF SHOULD CONSIDER STARTING WITH THE STUDY UNDER POLYMER ENGINEERING DESIGN PHASE FOR MORE COMPLEX PROJECTS.
THIS IS A SOLUTION I'M PROPOSING.
BEFORE REQUESTING AND SECURE AN IMPLEMENTATION PHASE FUNDING, THAT'S A COMMON PROJECT MANAGEMENT BEST PRACTICE.
I USE IT IN MY DAY JOB EMPLOYER.
I'M JUST GOING TO ASK, STAFF WENT AND GAVE ALL THESE EXPLANATIONS ON WHY COSTS WENT UP, BUT I JUST WOULD LIKE TO GET TO THE ROOT CAUSE OF WHY WE ENCOUNTER THAT.
I THINK SOME OF THESE PROJECTS ARE COMPLICATED AND STAFF, IN A LOT OF WAYS, THEY DID GOOD WORK ON THIS.
THEY GOT SOME GRANTS TO PURSUE ADDITIONAL GRANTS, BUT I JUST WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THE PRACTICES SOMEWHAT GOING FORWARD SO WE'RE NOT IN THIS POINT.
SO IT'S A CLEAN THING, IT'S NOT COMPLICATED.
IT'S HARD TO ESTIMATE IT, I GET IT.
AS FOR THE STUDY FOR SUPPLEMENTAL ENGINEERING FUNDING, BUT I ALSO WANT TO BE HARSH ON OUR CONSULTANTS.
I THINK WE HIRE CONSULTANTS AND I EXPECT THEM TO PERFORM.
WE INVESTED $76,000 IN CONSULTANTS, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY WOULD EXPECT THEY SHOULDN'T BE MISSING SCOPE.
PROJECT W0002, WHICH IS A SMALL METER REPLACEMENTS.
THE BALANCE CARRY-FORWARD FROM FISCAL YEAR '24 IS 2.7 MILLION.
THE FISCAL YEAR '25 BUDGET IS 1.4 SO EFFECTIVELY, IF WE ADOPT WHAT WE HAVE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE &4.1 MILLION.
THE CIP PAGE 66 SAYS THAT WE'VE GOT AN ANNUAL COST OF IMPLEMENTATION OF ABOUT 1.4 MILLION A YEAR BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE CHANGING METERS AND WHATEVER.
AGAIN, IN LARGE PART, STAFF'S DONE GOOD WORK, BUT THIS BALANCED CARRY-FORWARD FUNDING APPEARS SUFFICIENT TO FUND TWO YEARS OF SMALL-METER REPLACEMENTS.
THEREFORE, I THINK THAT THE ANNUAL FUNDING AMOUNTS FOR '25 AND '26 COULD BE REDUCED ACCORDINGLY.
IN FACT, WE'VE BEEN THERE, DONE THAT BEFORE BECAUSE IN 2019 AND 2020, MADE THE SAME OBSERVATIONS IN FINANCE, WORKING WITH THE UTILITY, WE ELIMINATED ANY BUDGETING IN 2019 AND 2020 TO NOT GET SO FAR AHEAD OF MONEY THAT'S JUST SITTING THERE, WE'RE JUST CARRYING IT FORWARD.
STAFF DOES A PHENOMENAL JOB OF PUTTING THE INFORMATION IN THE PACKAGE WE HAVE, SO IT WAS EASY FOR ME TO JUST IDENTIFY THESE AS POSSIBLE CANDIDATES.
W1290, WHICH IS THE WATER ASSET MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.
FIRST OF ALL, THE BALANCE CARRY-FORWARD IS THREE-AND-A-HALF MILLION DOLLARS.
FISCAL YEAR '25 BUDGET IS 1.9, SO THEN THE MONEYS WE HAVE TO SPEND IN '25 WOULD BE 6.4 MILLION.
THE BALANCE CARRY-FORWARD AMOUNTS APPEAR MORE THAN SUFFICIENT FOR THE SPENDS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED OF 3.4 MILLION.
LOOK, I'M NOT TRYING TO TAKE MONEY AWAY FROM THE UTILITY HERE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN THINGS, BUT IT CLEARLY SEEMS LIKE THE ANNUAL FUNDING AMOUNTS FOR '25 AND '26 COULD BE REDUCED BASED ON WHAT WE'VE GOT.
JUST AS A POINT OF PERSPECTIVE, IF YOU [INAUDIBLE] A PROJECT MANAGEMENT PERFORMANCE, THE UNUSED BALANCES, WE CAME OUT OF '19 WITH 2.7 MILLION, WE CAME OUT OF '20 WITH 3.0, '21 WITH 3.7; '22, FOUR MILLION; '23, FOUR MILLION; '24, THREE-AND-A-HALF MILLION.
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I'M JUST ASKING. TO ME, IT'S LOGICAL TO NOT JUST KEEP THROWING IT IN THERE, LEAVE IT IN.I LOOK AT THE OVERALL FUND BALANCE OF THE UTILITY, AND WHEN SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF MONEY IS TUCKED AWAY IN INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS, I'M EXPECTING THAT IF IT'S THERE, THERE'S A PROJECT THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON, SO THE MONEY IS LEGITIMATELY NEEDED.
MOVING ON TO THE STORMWATER UTILITY, S1009 WHICH IS STORMWATER SYSTEM REHAB, AND THEN S1290 WHICH IS STORMWATER ASSET MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.
SAME THING, IF ONE LOOKS FROM 1924, HISTORICALLY WE'VE HAD ON THE FIRST ONE A MILLION TO 1.4 MILLION CARRYOVER, AND THE SECOND ONE, AGAIN, HALF MILLION TO 1.4 CARRYOVER.
I JUST THINK WE KEEP FUNDING AND IT KEEPS GROWING, AND WOULD LIKE TO SWEEP THE EXCESS FUNDS BACK TO THE UNDESIGNATED FUND BALANCE.
WHAT'S SIGNIFICANT ABOUT THIS, PERHAPS A COUNCIL DON'T KNOW, BUT THE STORMWATER UTILITY IS A 15-YEAR LOAN FROM THE WATER UTILITY FOR CIP PROJECTS, SO I'M MORE MINDFUL OF THAT.
I REALLY LOOK AT THE HEALTH OF THE STORMWATER UTILITY ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY GOT THAT LOAN BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY MONEY.
NOW WE'RE LOOKING, AND WE HAVE MONEY THAT MAY EVENTUALLY BE NEEDED, BUT IT'S ACCOUNTED FOR AND THERE'S NOT THAT MUCH WORK TO BE DONE IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO TO CONSUME ALL THAT, LET ALONE CONTINUE TO FUND IT.
THE LAST ONE IS STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM REDEVELOPMENT GRANTS, WHICH IS S1201.
REALIZE, SOME OF THESE ENTRIES WERE CREATED ABOUT A DECADE AGO WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO COME UP WITH WHAT ARE ALL THE LOGICAL AREAS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE TO SPEND MONEY.
BUT ONE AREA WAS THIS, WHICH WAS A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM REDEVELOPMENT GRANT.
WE HAVE $390,000 RIGHT NOW IN BUDGET CARRYOVER FUNDING.
THERE'S BEEN NO GRANT APPLICATIONS FOR THIS PROGRAM SINCE 2019.
WE HAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD GRANTS WE ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH, AND THERE'S A LINEUP OF THOSE, BUT THIS IS ONE THAT HASN'T BEEN USED.
MY ASK IS DELETE THE CIP PROJECT, CANCEL THIS INFREQUENTLY USED GRANT PROGRAM, SWEEP THE FUNDS BACK INTO THE UNDESIGNATED FUND BALANCE.
IF SOMEONE WERE TO EVER COME ACROSS IN REDEVELOPING AND WANTED SOMETHING, WE COULD HANDLE IT AS A ONE OFF, BUT WE'D HAVE TO GIVE STRONG CONSIDERATION TO SAY NO OR YES, DEPENDING ON WHAT MONEY WE HAD.
IT WAS AN IDEA WHEN WE HAD IT BUT AGAIN, SINCE IT WAS LAST YEARS IN 2019, MAKE IT EASY, JUST CANCEL IT.
WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT BACK TO COUNCIL IF ANYBODY WANTS TO COMMENT, BUT THESE ARE MY ASKS FOR STAFF, IF THERE'S OTHER SUPPORT TO INCORPORATE AS THEY SEE FIT BASED ON THE COMMENTS BEFORE SECOND READING.
>> I'M SOMEWHAT SUPPORTIVE OF IT, BUT BEFORE I SAY FULLY, WHAT'S THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? YOU SAID THESE ARE EXAMPLES.
HOW MANY ARE THERE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?
>> THAT'S JUST THE POLICY. THERE'S NO CHANGE TO BE DONE ON THAT ONE.
>> NO. BUT I MEAN, OF ALL THESE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU'VE BROUGHT SOME EXAMPLES UP.
HOW MUCH ARE WE TALKING? DID YOU DISCUSS ABOUT HALF THE EXAMPLES RIGHT THEN?
>> NO. THIS IS EVERYTHING. I WENT THROUGH EVERYTHING.
[OVERLAPPING] I GAVE OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR THE LIST OF THOSE PROJECTS, AND THOSE ARE ONES THAT I BELIEVE SHOULD BE MADE.
IN THE CASE OF, FOR EXAMPLE, THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT, HARDENED SERVER BUILDING, THERE'S NOTHING TO CHANGE OTHER THAN LET'S CHANGE THE PROCESS.
WE'RE NOT GETTING INTO THE NEED FOR THOSE BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS.
>> I GUESS I'VE GOT TWO COMMENTS.
ONE WOULD BE, I LOOK AT THIS AND THE PROCESS WE GO THROUGH AND COMPARED AGAINST MY OWN FINANCES, WHAT WOULD I DO IF THIS WAS MY CHECKBOOK? I WOULD NOT BE CARRYING THESE PROJECTS THROUGH YEAR AFTER YEAR ON MY CHECKBOOK LIKE THAT,
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SO THERE NEED TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S METED OUT.I THINK JUST A SIMPLE REVIEWING OF IT THAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING MAKES SENSE.
>> NO, WHAT I WAS SAYING WAS THAT BECAUSE SOME OF THESE PROJECTS, NOT NECESSARILY THE ONES IN THE UTILITY, BUT WE GET ASKED ABOUT FROM THE PUBLIC.
WHEN WE'VE FUNDED A PROJECT, THE PUBLIC IS WAITING FOR IT TO HAPPEN.
>> OR WE GET THE MONEY BACK OUT OF THE FUNDING.
>> WELL, THEY'RE WAITING FOR IT TO HAPPEN, SO YOU REALLY WANT IT TO BE DONE.
IT'S JUST A CARRYOVER-FUNDED PROJECT, THE DETAIL IS LOST, IT'S ONE LINE ITEM, AND MANY OF US WOULD WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS THE STATUS OF IT? WHEN IS IT GOING TO BE DONE IN MORE DETAIL? I'M JUST SUGGESTING, AS A LONG-TERM PROJECT MANAGER, THAT BY THE TIME IT GETS TO THAT POINT, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET MONTH AND YEAR.
>> PERCENT COMPLETE AND ONE-SENTENCE REASON FOR DELAY.
I'M NOT AFTER THE HISTORY. [OVERLAPPING]
>> JUST TO EDIFY SO WE CAN MAKE BETTER DECISIONS IN THE FUTURE.
ALWAYS LIKE A LITTLE FEEDBACK ON WHY SOMETHING DIDN'T HAPPEN THE WAY WE THOUGHT IT WOULD, OR MAYBE QUARTERLY WITH A VERY QUICK [INAUDIBLE] WHAT HAPPENED.
>> THIS IS BEING WORKED ON ALREADY.
I'M SORRY, BUT IT WAS BEING WORKED ON.
I MADE THAT COMMENT AT THE VERY BEGINNING THAT TOWN MANAGER AND HIS LEADERSHIP TEAM ARE WORKING ON THIS.
I JUST WANT TO SEE AND KNOW THE DATES.
THEY MAY NOT END UP IN THIS BOOK THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF THE COMPLICATIONS OF DOING IT.
I'M JUST NOT GOING TO PROVE ON SECOND READING WITHOUT KNOWING, ON THE ONES I'VE TALKED ABOUT, WHAT'S THE STATUS OF IT.
>> THIS IS MORE OF A STATUS ISSUE AND YOUR CONCERN IS IF THEY SEEM TO DISAPPEAR AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, YOU'D RATHER PULL THE MONEY OUT, AND THEN WHEN THE PROJECT COMES BACK TO LIFE AND REAPPEARS, THEN YOU CAN MAKE THE REQUEST AND WE REFUND THE PROJECT, RIGHT?
>> BASICALLY, I'D BE SURPRISED IF YOU ALL HAVEN'T GOTTEN QUESTIONS ABOUT THESE BECAUSE FOR EXAMPLE, I GOT ONE A MONTH AGO FROM A COMMUNITY WHO WANTS TO KNOW, HEY, HOW DID YOU GET STREET LIGHTS IN THIS ONE NEIGHBORHOOD? I GO TO FIND OUT AND SEND THEM, AND I'M REALIZING THAT I HAVEN'T HAD A REAL UPDATE.
>> DO WE HAVE FUNDS LEFT? I'M SEEING CARRIER FUNDS TO DO ANOTHER STREET? I DON'T KNOW, RIGHT?
>> EVERYBODY KEEPS ASKING ME ABOUT THE SIDEWALK ON RIVERSIDE DRIVE.
>> I THINK AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL.
I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CIP AND YOU LOOK AT EACH OF THE PAGES FOR THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, YOU JUST SEE THE CARRY FORWARD BALANCES AND I'M GRATEFUL FOR IT, BUT I DIDN'T ALWAYS KNOW WHAT WAS INCLUDED IN THAT OR HOW IT WORKED.
IT'S BEEN THE POLICY OF THIS COUNCIL FOR MANY YEARS TO, IT HAS BEEN MORE RELAXED IN PREVIOUS YEARS.
IN FACT, THE TOPIC OF DISCUSSION FOR THIS YEAR SPECIFICALLY IS HOW WE'VE TIGHTENED IT UP SO DRAMATICALLY.
WE'VE MADE THIS A MORE REALISTIC.
THIS PROJECTS IN THIS PLAN ARE NOT GOING TO BE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE ONES THAT WE CAN COMPLETE WITHIN THE TIME FRAME.
THEY'RE NOT SOMETHING WE HAVE TO COVER WITH FUNDING, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO PUT IN THE GROUND.
IT'S A BETTER TOOL FOR US THIS YEAR AND THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH WORK THAT'S GONE INTO THAT.
I THINK WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
I DO GET A LOT OF QUESTIONS FROM RESIDENTS SPECIFICALLY WITH STREET LIGHTING.
I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE.
I REMEMBER THE CIP, THIS IS WHAT RESIDENTS SEE.
THIS IS WHAT GETS PUT IN THE GROUND, AND SO FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE HEIGHTS, HAD THEIR STREET LIGHTING.
INCREDIBLE. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE REALLY NOTICED AND I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING PLAYGROUNDS, FOR EXAMPLE.
THESE ARE VERY VISIBLE IMPROVEMENTS.
WE DO GET A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND I DO THINK THE QUARTER AND THE YEAR GOING FORWARD IS A GOOD THING TO HAVE SO THAT THIS IS MORE OF A TOOL FOR US.
BUT I DO WANT TO BE CAREFUL, LIKE THE WATER FUND, THE UTILITIES.
I'M ALMOST CURIOUS IF WE WANT TO HAVE OUR WATER UTILITY DIRECTOR COME AND SPEAK TO SOME OF THESE ITEMS BECAUSE THEY ARE VERY COMPLICATED PROJECTS AND UTILITY IT'S AN ENTERPRISE FUND.
IT'S JUST DIFFERENT THE WAY THAT THEY SAVE FOR LARGE PROJECTS, MULTI YEAR PROJECTS, COMPLICATED PROJECTS.
WATER, IT'S NOT PLAYGROUND IT'S HEALTH AND SAFETY AND RESILIENCE.
IT SERVES A REALLY IMPORTANT FUNCTION.
WE CAN'T DELAY ON PROJECTS THAT IMPACT HEALTH AND SAFETY.
THIS IS SOMETHING I REALLY WANT TO UNDERSTAND BETTER.
WE'RE ON FIRST READING, WE'RE AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR.
WE'VE LOOKED AT A LOT OF THIS.
I THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THIS IF THERE ARE AMOUNTS THAT WE CAN PULL.
IT SOUNDS LIKE OUR MAYOR HAS DONE A REAL SCRUB OF THE CIP.
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WE CAN GO FORWARD AND CONTINUE TO IMPROVE ON IT.BUT WE'RE AT THE WE NEED A PLAN APPROVED BY THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR.
I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THESE 15 PROJECTS IN GREATER DETAIL.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO AND WE'LL HELP IMPROVE THIS PLAN.
I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO HOLD IT UP TONIGHT.
>> NO. I WASN'T SUGGESTING THAT.
BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE ARE NOT REALLY PROJECTS.
WE ALL GOT FROM THE TOWN MANAGER, FINANCE DIRECTOR STATUS ON SOME OF THOSE.
SOME OF THEM ARE A CATEGORY OF EXPENSES.
I GET IT IS MORE COMPLICATED, WHICH IS WHY I TOOK THE HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE.
HISTORICALLY, WE ALWAYS HAVE CARRYOVER OF A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT.
HISTORICALLY, WE SPEND ABOUT SO MUCH.
I DIDN'T WANT TO PUT ANYBODY ON STAFF ON THE SPOT, BUT TAKE IT AND THEN THEY CAN COME BACK AND PROVIDE IT TO WHATEVER THEY'RE GOING TO DO PROVIDED IN TIME FOR THE NEXT READING, WHICH MEANS WHATEVER WE GET ON TUESDAY, IS IT?
>> I HAVE A VERY SHORT TIME FRAME, YES.
>> I'D BE INTERESTED IN TAKING A LOOK AT THOSE PARTICULAR ITEMS, BUT IN GENERAL, I THINK THE BUDGETING THAT WE'VE DONE OVER THE YEARS HAS BEEN VERY PRACTICAL AND YOU NEVER WANT TO GET TO A POINT WHERE YOU HAVE A SURPRISE AND WE NEED $20 MILLION FOR SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE I MEAN I THINK THE BUDGETING HAS BEEN FANTASTIC.
I UNDERSTAND I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT WITH THEY DISAPPEAR AND WE WANT TO KNOW WHERE THEY ARE AND YOU DON'T.
I DON'T KNOW IF PULLING THE FUNDING OUT THE RIGHT THING, BUT I WOULD DEFINITELY TAKE A LOOK AT IT. YEAH, THAT'S IT.
>> I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY BUILT INTO THE SYSTEM.
WE RECEIVED A LIST AND IT'S SO HELPFUL.
I'M SO GRATEFUL FOR THESE CIP REVIEW QUESTIONS THAT WE RECEIVED WITH ALL OF THE INPUT.
BUT SOME OF THESE HAD TO DO WITH POLICY CHANGES OR STAFFING SHORTAGES WHEN WE LOST AN ENGINEER FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS.
YOU NEED FLEXIBILITY IN YOUR SYSTEM AND WE'RE THE RIGHT SIZE TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY.
BUT WE HAD NEVER ASKED IN THE PAST FOR THOSE UPDATES.
I THINK WE'RE LOOKING FOR A GREATER LEVEL OF DETAIL THAN WE'VE ASKED FOR IN THE PAST.
WE HAVE TO ALLOW STAFF THE TIME TO DIGEST IT, AND WE DO TOO, OR ELSE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES WITH MOVING SO MUCH AROUND SO QUICKLY.
>> THAT WAS THE NUMBERS I GAVE YOU THE PROJECTS THOSE SPECIFIC ONES.
BUT MY FOCUS IS WHEN IS IT GOING TO GET DONE? I DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED.
IT'S HISTORY. WE CAN'T CHANGE HISTORY.
I WANT TO KNOW WHEN IS IT GOING TO BE DONE SO WE CAN PLAN ON IT.
THAT'S THE ASK AND THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE THE TOWN MANAGER HAS BEEN WORKING ON.
COUNCIL MAY, DID YOU HAVE ANY?
>> I THINK YOU GUYS COVERED IT. I HAVE A ONE ON ONE WITH TOWN MANAGER NEXT WEEK, SO GO OVER IT WITH HIM THEN.
TOWN MANAGER, WITH SOME OF THIS DOUBTAL WITH YOUR NEW SOFTWARE SYSTEM FOR EFFICIENCY AND PROJECT COMPLETION.
WE'VE ACTUALLY TAKEN MANY OF THESE PROJECTS AND CAN'T GET IT ALL DONE OVERNIGHT, AND WE'VE PUT THEM INTO WHAT WE CALL THE CLICK UP SOFTWARE.
THEY ALL HAVE TASKS, MILESTONES, COMPLETION DATES.
FUNDAMENTALLY, WE'VE BEEN CHANGING THE CULTURE TO BE ABLE TO ACCOUNT FOR THESE PIECES.
LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, WITH MANY OF OUR PROJECTS, WE STARTED WITH THE TARGET DATE.
WHAT'S THE COMPLETION DATE WE'RE LOOKING FOR? THEN WE BACKTRACK AND PUT IN ALL THE MULTIPLE PIECES OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO GET DONE.
THEN IF ANYBODY WE USE THE MAYOR'S SYSTEM, GREEN, YELLOW AND RED.
IF A PROJECT IS GOING WELL, IT'S IN THE GREEN.
IF THERE ARE SOME ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED THAT COULD CAUSE PROBLEMS. WE MOVE THAT INTO A YELLOW CATEGORY,
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ALMOST LIKE A TRAFFIC LIGHT.IF THERE'S ANYTHING CONSEQUENTIAL THAT COULD CAUSE THE PROJECT TO FAIL.
IN ADDITION, EVERY OTHER WEEK, WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL CPR MEETINGS, NOT CPR, LIKE I SAW COUNCILOR MAY'S HEAD POP UP.
IF YOU HAVE A PROJECT THAT YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR, YOU COME BEFORE THE OVERSIGHT TEAM AND WE GO THROUGH THE ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH YOUR PROJECT.
WHO ARE YOUR STAKEHOLDERS, WHERE ARE YOU NOW, WHETHER THE CHALLENGES YOU FACE, WHAT'S YOUR TIMELINE? WHAT CAN WE HELP YOU WITH? WHAT RESOURCES DO WE NEED? WE'RE DOING ALL OF THAT WHILE WE'RE MANAGING THE BUDGET AND MANY OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE PRETTY HEAVY LIFTS, BUT WE CERTAINLY WILL FOLLOW THROUGH ON THESE AND CORPORATE THAT IN TO THE MANY THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING ON PROJECT MANAGEMENT.
I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY IN ONE ON ONE IS TO SHARE WITH YOU WHAT THAT SYSTEM LOOKS LIKE IN THE ACCOUNTABILITY PIECES.
I THINK YOU'VE SEEN THE REPORTS AND YOU'VE SEEN THE OUTCOME IN THE FRIDAY REPORTS.
NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT WE'VE ALSO, IN ADDITION TO THIS, INCORPORATED PERFORMANCE METRICS THAT WE TYPICALLY INCLUDE IN THE FRIDAY REPORTS AS WELL.
WE'RE MOVING IN THE DIRECTION.
HERE CLEARLY WHAT THE COUNCIL IS LOOKING FOR.
WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF CHANGE IN THE CULTURE HERE, BUT YOU CAN'T CHANGE CULTURE OVERNIGHT.
YOU JUST CAN'T IF I DIDN'T LEARN THAT ANYWHERE, I CERTAINLY LEARNED IT IN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT PROFESSION.
IT TAKES TIME AND WE'RE DOING IT.
I REALLY TO BE QUITE HONEST WITH YOU.
I'M GLAD TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE I'M REALLY PROUD OF THIS STAFF AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND HOW HARD THEY'RE WORKING AND THE ACCOUNTABILITY PIECES.
HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR, JUST WANT YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE WELL ON OUR WAY.
I KNOW SPEAKING TO THE FINANCE DIRECTOR AS WELL, WE HEAR YOU CLEARLY ON THE ENCUMBRANCES AND ASSOCIATING ENCUMBRANCES WITH POINTS IN THE PROJECT, AND WE ARE ALREADY PLANNING ON INTRODUCING THAT INTO NEXT FISCAL YEARS PROCESS.
IT'S JUST A CHALLENGE TO GET IT INCORPORATED IN RIGHT NOW.
>> JUST TO EMPHASIZE, ISN'T JUST STAFFS SOMEBODY'S PRICES INCLUDE US ON THE COUNCIL.
I JUST DO BY WAY OF EXAMPLE, SOUTHERN EXTENSION OF ISLAND WAY.
I'VE WORKED ON THAT ONE SIGNIFICANTLY.
THERE'S THINGS THAT ARE BEYOND STAFFS CONTROL.
SAME THING WITH INDIAN TOWN ROAD, WESTERN CORDA ONE INVOLVES FDOT.
I WAS ASKING FOR THE BUDGET, FOR EXAMPLE, TO MATCH WHAT THE GOVERNOR TOLD US.
I KNOW WE'VE GOT TO PUSH ON OUR HANDS WITH FDOT.
BUT IF THEY'VE GOT A LUMP OF MONEY, THEY CAN A STUDY THAT WE'VE TRIED TO GET THEM TO DO FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
THERE'S SOME POLITICAL ASPECTS OF THIS AD AS THE DESIGNATED REP ON THE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING AGENCY.
THAT'S WHY I NEED TO KNOW THE STATUS ON THESE THINGS, SO I CAN EFFECTIVELY PUSH.
SOME OF THIS IS WITH THE TOWN MANAGER, WE TALK ABOUT IT, TAKE THE EXTENSION OF ISLAND WAY, THAT DON'T KNOW.
WE ALL KNOW AWARE THAT THERE'S RIGHT AWAY THAT NEEDS TO BE ACQUIRED.
WE'VE HAD IT LINED UP SEVERAL TIMES TO GET IT.
LET'S GET THE ENGINEERING DONE.
WHEN THE ENGINEERING IS DONE, WE KNOW WE'RE READY TO ROCK AND ROLL, THEN WE'LL STEP UP ACQUIRING THE RIGHT AWAY AND GET THAT ROAD DONE.
THIS IS NOT WE JUST WERE GETTING A STATUS SO WHERE WHERE ONCE A YEAR.
THAT'S LEGITIMATELY, I WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE STATUS IS.
THAT'S WHY I WOULD SUBMIT ITEMS IN A STRATEGIC PLAN SHOULD RAISE TO THE TOP, THOSE WOULD BE ONES THAT YOU WOULDN'T EXPECT TO FALL BACK.
BUT ANYWAY, WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION, A SECOND ON ORDINANCE 21, '24 ON FIRST READING.
>> CAN I HAVE THE ORDINANCE READ ON SHORT TITLE?
ORDINANCE TO THE TOWN COUNCIL, THE TOWN OF JUPITER, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE TOWN'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO UPDATE THE FIVE YEAR COMMUNITY INVESTMENT PROGRAM, INCLUDED WITHIN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ELEMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF USING CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THE SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE?
MOTION CARRIES FOUR TO ONE WITH MAYOR KARASKI DISSENTING.
MOVING ON TO CITIZEN COMMENTS.
[CITIZEN COMMENTS]
DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS?[01:05:02]
FIRST, WE HAVE PAIGE LEWIS.>> THE TIME. THAT'S NOT A TIME.
IT'LL TURN INTO IT WILL, BECAUSE THAT'S GOOD FOR ME.
I LIVE AT 15371 69TH DRIVE IN PALM BEACH GARDENS.
FIRST, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALL HERE ON THE TOWN COUNCIL FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY.
I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE WHOLE TOWN OF JUPITER FOR SHOWING UP AND VOTING IN THE PRIMARY I DID VERY WELL IN JUPITER.
THIS WAS VERY EXCITING TO SEE HOW THAT WENT.
ACTUALLY CAME TODAY AS MORE OF A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD RACE HAS MOVED TO THE GENERAL ELECTION.
A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT IN THE PRIMARY THAT THAT WAS THE END, BUT NOW I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE KNOW THAT THE TOP TWO CANDIDATES IN THAT RACE HAVE MOVED ON TO THE GENERAL ELECTION.
PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU HAVE NOT DONE THE RESEARCH ON THE CANDIDATES, NOT JUST IN MY RACE BUT IN ALL THE RACES.
PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOU RESEARCH.
THERE'S SO MUCH INFORMATION OUT THERE.
CVS 12 HAS DONE INTERVIEWS WITH CANDIDATES, NORTH COUNTY NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION, THE SUN SENTINEL.
THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION OUT THERE AND WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL VOTING FOR CANDIDATES THAT ACTUALLY SHARE OUR SAME VALUES.
THE OTHER THING TOO, AND THIS IS GOING TO SOUND REALLY SILLY, BUT THERE ARE 17 PRECINCTS IN DISTRICT ONE THAT HAVE THE SCHOOL BOARD RACES ON THE BACK OF THE BALLOT, WHICH IN THE UPCOMING ELECTION WILL PROBABLY BE CLOSE TO THE SAME, AND THE AMENDMENTS WILL BE THERE TOO.
PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU TURN OVER YOUR BALLOT WHEN YOU'RE VOTING AND THAT YOU'RE NOT JUST DOING THE RACES THAT ARE VOTING IN THE RACES THAT ARE ON THE FRONT OF THE BALLOT, BUT ALSO THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE BACK AND PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOU RESEARCH YOUR AMENDMENTS.
I BELIEVE IT'S 2, 3, AND 4 ARE GOING TO BE ON THERE AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THE WORDING THAT IS USED ON THOSE.
AGAIN, I AM RUNNING FOR SCHOOL BOARD.
I AM THE BEST CANDIDATE IN THAT RACE WITH A BACKGROUND IN EDUCATION, SMALL BUSINESS AND MENTAL HEALTH, WHICH HELPS ME TO MAKE SURE THAT I HAVE A BACKGROUND IN ALL DIFFERENT THINGS THAT I WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE ON THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, ON THE SCHOOL BOARD.
I'VE DONE IT. MY FOCUS IS READING AND I'VE DONE IT.
I'VE BROUGHT KIDS IN THE UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES FROM 17% READING ON GRADE LEVEL TO 67%, AND I REALLY BELIEVE THAT IF I CAN DO IT, WE CAN ALSO DO THAT IN THE DISTRICT.
WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TRAINING OUR TEACHERS AND READING AND THEN ALSO MAKING SURE THAT IN OUR TEACHING COLLEGES THAT WE'RE DOING THAT AS WELL.
ON NOVEMBER 5TH, PLEASE REMEMBER ME.
AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY THAT ALREADY VOTED FOR ME, BUT I'M STILL LOOKING FOR THE OTHER 70,000 PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO VOTE IN THE GENERAL ELECTION.
>> LAURI BAILEY. AFTER LAURIE, IT IS GOING TO BE LINDA MCDERMOTT.
I LIVE AT 504 NORTH LOXAHATCHEE DRIVE, AND I'M AN ATTORNEY HERE IN PALM BEACH COUNTY.
I JUST WANT TO PROPOSE OR SUGGEST A CONSIDERATION BY THE TOWN COUNCIL AND THE TOWN OF JUPITER THAT WE HAVE OR IMPLEMENT SOME TYPE OF A SCANNER FOR WEAPONS WHEN PEOPLE COME IN TO THE TOWN COUNCIL MEETING ROOM.
I DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I APPRECIATE THAT POLICE OFFICERS ARE HERE, BUT I DO WONDER IF SOMEBODY CAME IN THAT WAS ANGRY OVER ONE OF THESE HOT ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD RECENTLY, WHETHER THE POLICE WOULD BE ABLE TO ACT QUICKLY ENOUGH TO PREVENT ANYONE FROM GETTING INJURED OR WORSE, AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPEN TO ANY OF MY TOWN COUNCIL MEMBERS OR ANY RESIDENTS THAT ARE HERE OR SPEAKING.
WE HAVE SOME FORM OF SCANNERS AT AIRPORTS, COURTHOUSES, SCHOOLS.
EVEN I SAW THAT THEY HAD A HAND SCANNER AT HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL GAMES NOW IN CERTAIN LOCATIONS.
NOW, I THINK WE NEED TO PROTECT ALL OF YOU, THE CITIZENS, ETC.
I WOULD JUST ADD A COUPLE OF EXPERIENCES THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT I HAD IN MY PROFESSION.
[01:10:02]
YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS PRACTICING IN DALLAS FORT WORTH AREA, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY SCANNERS GOING INTO THE FEDERAL COURTHOUSE AT THAT TIME AND A GENTLEMAN WENT IN TO THE APPELLATE COURT.THERE WAS AN APPEALS COURT JUSTICE SITTING ON THE BENCH WHO HAD BEEN HIS JUDGE IN HIS DIVORCE CASE, THAT HE WAS UPSET WITH THE RESULT, AND HE SHOT AND KILLED THE JUDGE AND SHOT ANOTHER ATTORNEY.
THEN I HAVE A PERSONAL SITUATION THAT HAPPENED YEARS AGO.
I DO WORKERS' COMPENSATION CLAIMS AND PERSONAL INJURY CLAIMS, AND I HAD A CLIENT WHO WENT TO THE WORKERS, NOW, HE DIDN'T GO TO THE WORKERS COMP COURT, BUT HE HAD A WORKERS COMP CASE, AND HE WAS CONCERNED THAT HE WASN'T GETTING THE ATTENTION HE NEEDED, THAT NOBODY WAS RECOGNIZING THAT HE WAS REALLY HURT.
HE DECIDED TO SEND A PACKAGE TO THE JUDGE.
THE JUDGE, OF COURSE, WAS CONCERNED WHEN SHE GOT THE PACKAGE.
THEY CALLED THE BOMB SQUAD OUT HERE IN PALM BEACH, TOOK IT OUT INTO THE PARKING LOT, BLEW IT UP.
WELL, LOW AND BEHOLD, THAT WAS HIS MEDICATIONS.
HE JUST WANTED THE JUDGE TO KNOW THAT HE REALLY WAS HURT, SO HE SENT HER HIS MEDICATIONS.
ABOUT THREE DAYS LATER, HE CALLED ME AND SAID, "HEY, LAURIE, CAN I GET MY MEDICATIONS BACK NOW THAT I SENT TO THE JUDGE?" I JUST THINK THAT WITH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE INCREASE IN VIOLENCE, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE OUGHT TO CONSIDER. THANK YOU.
>> LINDA MCDERMOTT. AFTER LINDA IS GOING TO BE KAREN VINCENT.
>> GOOD EVENING. LINDA MCDERMOTT, 107 CHADRICK DRIVE.
BEFORE I GET INTO WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY, I DO AGREE WITH THE 1% FOR THE EMPLOYEES, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE NOW IN SEPTEMBER AND THERE'S NO WAY THAT THESE CHANGES COULD OCCUR BEFORE THE SECOND HEARING, BUT AFTER OCTOBER, YOU COULD CONSIDER SOME AMENDMENTS.
THE CITY THAT I WORKED FOR GAVE VERY GENEROUS RAISES LAST YEAR, RECOGNIZING HOW DIFFICULT IT IS FOR SOME OF THE NEW EMPLOYEES TO GET HOUSING AND WHATNOT HERE.
I DO BELIEVE THAT IT'S A CONCERN OF ALL OF US SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT.
ANYWAY, I'M HERE TO GIVE SOME VERY GOOD KUDOS FOR I AM A SIERRA CLUB SUPPORTER AND LOVER OF ALL THE THINGS OF NATURE, AND I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT NOT ONLY JUPITER AND TEQUESTA, BUT THE PEOPLE OF FLORIDA UNITED PEACEFULLY AND SHARED KNOWLEDGE AND PASSION FOR SAVING JONATHAN DICKINSON STATE PARK FROM GOLF COURSES, AND DEVELOPER TAKEOVER.
WE SHARED FACTS, CONCERNS, AND PUT FORTH A MISSION TO PROTECT QUALITY OF LIFE FOR US, FOR WILDLIFE, AND FOR NATURE.
THANK YOU, CAM, FOR BEING OUT THERE. IT WAS HOT.
BEING ONE OF THE FIRST ONES ON SCENE, ALONG WITH BRIAN MAST AND SO MANY OTHERS, AND I KNOW ALL OF THE COUNCIL WERE VERY CONCERNED AND MADE THEIR MENTIONS.
THANK YOU, MALICE, AT THE LAST MINUTE.
WE ALL FOUND OUT ABOUT IT, AND AT LEAST, YOU DID MENTION IT.
I HOPE THAT WE, ALONG AS OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ALREADY WRITTEN TO TALLAHASSEE, AND WE HAVE TO KEEP THIS ON OUR RADAR, PLEASE.
AGAIN, A GREAT SUPPORT FROM EVERYBODY.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION FOR THE GREAT DISCUSSION AT THE LAST MEETING THAT I WASN'T ABLE TO ATTEND, WASTE MANAGEMENT.
MAYOR, I'M SO GLAD YOU FOCUSED ON CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS FOR ACCOUNTABILITY TO THOSE OF US THAT THEY SERVE.
I'VE BEEN VERY HAPPY WITH MY SERVICE AT MY HOUSE, BUT HEALTHY DISCUSSION LIKE THIS KEEPS THE VENDORS ON THEIR TOES, KEEPS OUR STAFF ON THEIR TOES, AND LETS US KNOW THAT YOU CARE ABOUT THE SERVICE THAT WE GET.
I WANT TO THANK YOU. MY OTHER COMMENTS ARE, AGAIN, SOME THINGS WITH THE BUDGET.
I DO WANT TO SAY THAT IT'S NOT ONLY THE TOWN THAT REDUCED THE MILLAGE RATE, BUT THE COUNTY REDUCED THE MILLAGE RATE ON THE MSTU, AND YOU'LL BE GETTING TO THAT IN ANOTHER ITEM.
BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT THAT WENT DOWN 7.8%.
JUST LIKE WE REDUCED OUR MILLAGE RATE, THE COUNTY DID.
AND IF THEY SEE INCREASES ON THEIR TAX BILLS, IT IS BECAUSE THE VALUES OF THEIR PROPERTIES WENT UP, AS SCOTT HAS MENTIONED OFTEN.
THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THOSE COMMENTS.
>> HI. KAREN VINCENT 1003 SOU STREET.
[01:15:01]
NICE TO SEE YOU ALL AGAIN.HAVEN'T BEEN HERE IN A LITTLE WHILE.
I CAME UP HERE FOR ONE PURPOSE, AND THAT WAS TO TELL YOU ALL THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WHAT YOU DID FOR JONATHAN DICKINSON PARK, GETTING TOGETHER, SENDING THE LETTER.
CAM, I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU DID.
IT GOES TO PROVE THAT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT SIDE OF THE POLICIES OR POLITICAL GROUND THAT YOU ARE ON, IF YOU COME TOGETHER AS ONE FOR A UNITED VOICE, WHAT YOU CAN DO.
THE ONLY NEGATIVE THAT I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT IS THAT I'M REALLY SAD THAT ALL DIDN'T DO THAT FOR OUR PARKS IN THE TOWN OF JUPITER BECAUSE THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE, AND THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN THAT MUCH OF A FIGHT FOR OUR PARKS INSTEAD OF PUTTING A FIRE DEPARTMENT THERE OR ANY OTHER BUILDING.
THAT ASIDE, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH CAM ON THE RAISE, AND I FEEL LIKE THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE JUST BLOWN OFF REGARDLESS OF WHERE YOU ARE IN THE BUDGET PLANNING.
THE TOWN PEOPLE THAT WORK HERE WORK VERY, VERY HARD.
THEY DON'T MAKE VERY MUCH MONEY.
IN THIS LAST YEAR, I BELIEVE THE TOWN MANAGER, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF HE EVER GOT HIS RAISE OR NOT, WAS VOTED ONE, AND THE TOWN ATTORNEY WAS.
THEY BOTH WERE MORE THAN PROBABLY 1% IF YOU GO BACK AND FIGURE IT OUT.
I THINK ADDING AN ADDITIONAL 1%, GIVEN WHAT THE COST OF LIVING AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS IN THE PRICES, I DON'T THINK THAT IT WOULD BE THAT HARD TO GO BACK AND REFIGURE THE BUDGET.
IF YOU HAVE SPOTS THAT YOU HAVE, LIKE YOU JUST WENT THROUGH WITH A LIST OF PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT BEING DONE OR ARE NOT BEING FOLLOWED THROUGH WITH, TAKE THAT MONEY, MOVE IT OVER, AND GO GIVE THEM A RAISE, IT'S $200,000.
WELL, I THINK THE PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR THE TOWN DESERVE IT.
>> THANK YOU. THAT IS THE LAST ONE.
[4. August 14, 2024 Town Council Workshop Minutes and August 20, 2024 Town Council Meeting Minutes]
WE HAVE BEFORE US THE MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 14TH TOWN COUNCIL WORKSHOP IN THE AUGUST 20TH TOWN COUNCIL MEETING.I DON'T SEE ANY CORRECTIONS ON THE DIAS.
IF THERE'S NONE, I'LL TAKE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON APPROVING BOTH SETS OF MINUTES.
>> A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>> MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
MOVING ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.
[CONSENT AGENDA]
IS THERE ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT WANTED TO PULL A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM?>> FIVE, SIX, AND 12? ANY MEMBER ON THE DIAS COUNCIL MEMBER WANT TO PULL ANY ITEM?
SO FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, AND 12 ARE POLLED.
I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THE AMENDED AGENDA, THE OTHER ITEMS. >. SO MOVED AS AMENDED.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>> MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
[5. Ordinance 19-24, Second Reading, Amending Article III of Chapter 2 of the Town’s code setting forth the departments of the Town.]
ORDINANCE 1924, POLLED BY A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC.>> GOOD EVENING AGAIN. ON THIS ORDINANCE 1924, IT IS THE SECOND READING, AMENDING THE TOWN'S CODE, SETTING FORTH THE DEPARTMENTS OF THE TOWN.
WITHIN THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT THE JUPITER FIRE RESCUE IS TRULY RECOGNIZED AS A DEPARTMENT IN THE FIRST YEAR THAT IT'S FUNDED AS SUCH.
THIS ALLOWS THE VENDOR CONTRACTS AND DOCUMENTS TO NOW OFFICIALLY HAVE THE NAME JUPITER FIRE RESCUE, WHEREAS BEFORE, IT SHOULD HAVE JUST SAID THE TOWN OF JUPITER.
I'VE SEEN INVOICES FOR EMS AND WHATNOT, THAT ONLY SAID JUPITER FIRE RESCUE WHEN TRULY, IT WAS NOT A FULL FLEDGED DEPARTMENT.
THIS PRETTY MUCH MAKES IT PROPER.
CAN I MAKE MY COMMENT ON THE NEXT ORDINANCE RATHER THAN TAKE ANOTHER THREE MINUTES OR? NO. OKAY.
>> MAYOR, ALSO, STAFF WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM 11.
>> STAFF WANTS TO PULL ITEM 11.
>> IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.
>> THERE WAS A NOTE ON THE DIAS FROM, I UNDERSTAND THE REASON WHY STAFF WANTS TO APPROVE BECAUSE THERE WAS A MEMO ON THE DIAS THAT STRUCK
[01:20:04]
ONE PHRASE IN THE REQUESTED EASEMENT AGREEMENT WITH NO GREATER THAN A $5,000 DEDUCTIBLE, AND THAT WILL BE REFLECTED IN THE DOCUMENT.>> THAT'S WHAT I WOULD HAVE EXPECTED, CORRECT.
>> UNLESS YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THE TROUBLE OF A MOTION FOR REHEARING, ETC.
>> DO LIKE A POINT OF PERSONAL PREFERENCE.
>> IS STAFF COMFORTABLE THAT'S? THAT'S INCLUDED? THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
>> IF MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON ORDINANCE OR QUESTIONS ORDINANCE 1924 AND SECOND READING, I'LL TAKE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
I'LL ASK TOWN ATTORNEY TO READ ORDINANCE 1924 IN SHORT TITLE.
>> IN ORDINANCE OF THE TOWN COUNCIL, TOWN OF JUPITER, FLORIDA, AMENDING ARTICLE 3 OF CHAPTER 2 OF THE JUPITER CODE OF ORDINANCES RAISES TO CREATE NEW DIVISION SETTING FORTH THE DEPARTMENTS OF THE TOWN, PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION, PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON ORDINANCE 1924.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>> MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
[6. Ordinance 22-24, First Reading, Consenting to continue the inclusion of the Town of Jupiter into the Jupiter-Municipal Service Taxing Unit (MSTU) to finance the provision of fire-rescue services by Palm Beach County Fire/Rescue]
FIRST READING POLLED BY A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC.>> GOOD EVENING AGAIN. ORDINANCE 22-24 RECOGNIZES THE JUPITER MUNICIPAL SERVICE TAXING UNIT, WHICH FINANCES THE FIRE RESCUE SERVICES THAT PALM BEACH COUNTY PROVIDES FOR US.
AGAIN, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC TO NOTE THAT THE COUNTY MILLAGE RATE WAS REDUCED 7.8% FROM 1.7879 MILLS DOWN TO 1.6488 MILLS, AND THAT EQUATES TO A SAVINGS OF $27.82 PER 200,000 OF TAXABLE VALUE, JUST SO THE PUBLIC CAN MAKE SOME A REFERENCE IN THEIR HEAD.
A HOME WITH A TAXABLE VALUE OF 200,000 PAID 357.58 LAST YEAR, AND WE'LL PAY 329.76 THIS YEAR.
AS LONG AS WE SPOKE OF THE MILLAGE RATE FOR THE GENERAL FUND, WE NEED TO SPEAK OF THE MILLAGE RATE THAT WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR JUPITER SERVICES FROM THE COUNTY. THANK YOU.
>> IF THERE'S NO COMMENTS, ANY QUESTIONS ON THE DIAS ON ORDINANCE 22-24, I'LL TAKE MOTION AND A SECOND.
>> MOTION AND A SECOND. I'D ASK TOWN ATTORNEY TO READ AN ORDINANCE 22-24 IN SHORT TITLE.
>> AN ORDINANCE OF THE TOWN COUNCIL AT TOWN OF JUPITER, FLORIDA, CONSENTING TO THE TOWN'S CONTINUING PARTICIPATION IN THE PALM BEACH COUNTY, JUPITER MSTU, FOR FIRE RESCUE, EMERGENCY MEDICAL, AND OTHER RELATED SERVICES FOR 2025 AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
>> A MOTION THE SECOND ORDINANCE 22-24.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>> MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
[7. Resolution 93-24, Approving a contract to Craig A. Smith & Associates, LLC for Utility Locating Services (W2438) for an amount of $221,975.]
RESOLUTION 93-24, WHICH I POLLED.JUST ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE, I'M NOT GOING TO BE SUPPORTING IT TONIGHT.
I APPRECIATE THE STAFF EFFORTS ON THIS ONE.
WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH GREG SMITH AND ASSOCIATES, CALL IT CAS FOR UTILITY LOCATING SERVICES.
BASICALLY, THEY NOTIFIED US THAT THEY WOULD BE UNABLE TO RENEW THE CONTRACT AT THE CURRENT PRICING DUE TO A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF TICKETS IN OUR WATER SERVICE AREA OVER THE PAST YEAR, PRIMARILY DUE TO EFFORTS BY THE UTILITIES UNDERGROUND.
>> FIRST THING WAS, I DIDN'T REALIZE UNDERGROUNDING WAS GOING ON, BUT THEN I REALIZED THE UTILITY COVERS MORE THAN THE TOWN.
THEN IT WAS ADVERTISED AND THE CURRENT CONTRACTOR WOULDN'T
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WRITE UP FOR A 7% INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF TICKETS.THAT MAKES SENSE? THAT'S THE ISSUE THEY HAD, THEN A 19% INCREASE IN UNIT PRICING.
AND THE FISCAL YEAR 24 CONTRACT, WHICH WAS 136,000.
BASICALLY, WE'VE SEEN A 63% INCREASE.
THERE'S A SECOND BIDDER THAT, BASED ON THE SCORING WAS WELL QUALIFIED TO DO THE WORK, AND THAT WAS BID AT $55,000 SAVINGS VERSUS CAS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT STAFF MAY HAVE FOUND THEMSELVES BOUND BY THEIR INTERPRETATION, AND IT MAY BE CORRECT.
I'M NOT DEBATING ANY OF THIS, THE CONSULTANTS COMPETITIVE NEGOTIATION ACT, BUT JUST DOESN'T STAND RIGHT WITH ME THAT A CONTRACTOR THAT WE HAD, GRANTED IF THE NUMBER OF CALLS THAT THEY HAVE TO DO HAVE GONE UP.
THAT'S A VALID REASONABLE PRICE INCREASE, BUT A 63% INCREASE OVERALL, IT JUST ISN'T SITTING RIGHT WITH ME.
I THINK IT SHOULD HAVE PRICE ON THIS CONTRACT, IN MY OPINION.
I WAS TRYING TO CHECK WITH YET AN OPINION FROM SOMEBODY ELSE I WASN'T ABLE TO GET AHOLD OF, AND THIS IS UTILITY LOCATING, AND I'M NOT DIMINISHING THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT.
HINDSIGHT'S ALWAYS 2020, BUT I JUST DON'T FEEL RIGHT ABOUT GIVING THIS CONTRACTOR A 66% INCREASE.
THERE WAS ANOTHER BIDDER THAT WAS EVALUATED FAIRLY HIGH, WAS $55,000 CHEAPER.
I JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT. I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT IT ON WITH THAT.
>> WOULD IT BE FAMILIARITY WITH THE STAFF IN THAT PARTICULAR ORGANIZATION WITH THE COMP LEVEL [OVERLAPPING]
>> STAFF ACTUALLY EVALUATED THE SECOND ONE FAIRLY HIGH.
>> YEAH. BUT THE DILEMMA THEY HAD IS THEY HAD PRODUCED THE BID EVALUATION CRITERIA THAT ONLY GAVE 10 POINTS TO PRICE.
>> COULD WE HAVE STAFF COME AND SPEAK TO THE ITEM?
>> GOOD EVENING MAYOR. I'M TOWN COUNCIL AMANDA BARTON'S DIRECTOR OF UTILITIES.
UTILITY LOCATING SERVICES IS VERY IMPORTANT, AND WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO IT BY REGULATIONS.
WE'RE REQUIRED WITHIN 48 HOURS OF A CONTRACTOR CALLING IN A TICKET, WHICH THEY HAVE TO DO 48 HOURS PRIOR TO THE DIG TO GO OUT AND LOCATE OUR UTILITIES.
CAS HAS HAD THE CONTRACT FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS.
WE MADE THE DECISION TO BID THAT AS AN RFP, A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS SO THAT SELECTION WOULD BE BASED ON QUALIFICATIONS.
BECAUSE IN MY OPINION, YOU DO NOT WANT TO SELECT A COMPANY TO DO THIS WORK BASED ON LOW BID, OR YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF INSTANCES LIKE THE UNFORTUNATE ONE WHERE WE HAD ANOTHER CONTRACTOR DAMAGED SOME OF OUR UTILITIES.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE A QUALIFIED VENDOR DOING THAT WORK.
THE REASON WE DID IT WAS A CCNA TYPE RFP BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THE COMPANIES THAT DO THIS WORK, NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT A LARGE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING OR PROFESSIONAL LAND SURVEYORS WHO FALL UNDER THE CCNA.
NOW, IN THIS RFP, WE DID INCLUDE COST AS A CRITERIA, WHERE IN A TRADITIONAL CONSULTING ENGINEERING RFP, WE CANNOT BY LAW INCLUDE COSTS AS A PARAMETER TO EVALUATE.
IN THIS ONE, WE DID, AND WE HAD A SELECTION COMMITTEE OF FOUR TOWN STAFF, AND WE REVIEWED THE PROPOSALS THAT WERE RECEIVED INDIVIDUALLY, INDEPENDENTLY, DID NOT DISCUSS THEM BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DISCUSS THEM BEFORE WE MET IN A PUBLIC MEETING.
WE HAD OUR PUBLIC SELECTION COMMITTEE MEETING AND THAT'S WHERE WE SHARED OUR SCORES AND THE SCORES RESULTED IN THE SELECTION OF CAS AGAIN.
[01:30:05]
IT WAS A VERY CLOSE RANKING BETWEEN THE FIRST AND SECOND COMPANY AND THERE WAS ABOUT A $55,000 DIFFERENCE.BUT THAT WAS THE RESULT OF THE PUBLIC SELECTION COMMITTEE PROCESS.
WE BROUGHT TO YOU THE RESULTS OF THAT PROCESS PRODUCED.
NOW, AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF TICKETS, THE NUMBER OF TICKETS HAVE INCREASED BY 7%.
FPL, COMCAST, AT&T, CROWN CASTLE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'D NOTICE, ARE UNDERGROUNDING THEIR UTILITIES THROUGHOUT THE TOWN OF JUPITER, AND THEY'RE DOING THAT BY HORIZONTAL DIRECTIONAL DRILL.
WELL, THOSE ARE LONG DISTANCES THAT THEY'RE UNDERGROUNDING.
WHEN THEY CALL IN A TICKET FOR TONY PENA, [LAUGHTER] THAT'S A LOT OF DISTANCE FOR THE LOCATING COMPANY TO DO UNDER THEIR UNIT PRICE.
THIS NEW CONTRACT BREAKS IT INTO 500-FOOT INCREMENTS, WHICH IS MORE REALISTIC.
THE ADDITIONAL INCREASE WAS, THEY'VE HAD TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL STAFF OR ASSIGN ADDITIONAL STAFF TO OUR CONTRACT.
THAT'S THE HISTORY OF HOW WE ENDED UP WHERE WE ARE.
>> YES, THANK YOU. I'M A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER AND A CONTRACTOR, SO I DO KNOW HOW INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT LOCATING UNDERGROUND UTILITIES ARE.
THE PROJECT, WERE THEY DOT CUT THROUGH OUR PIPE?
>> THEY WERE AND THEY HAD EVERYTHING LOCATED PROPERLY.
>> IT WAS LOCATED AND THEY STILL DID IT?
>> BECAUSE I'M UNFAMILIAR, BECAUSE I'M SOMEWHAT NEW TIMER, WHY ARE THE CONTRACTORS, THE VENDORS NOT VARYING THE COST OF THIS? WHY IS JUPITER BEARING THIS COST? WHEN AT&T COMES IN AND SAYS THEY WANT UTILITIES LOCATED, THAT'S FINE.
WE'LL LOCATE THEM, BUT YOU PAY FOR IT.
>> WELL, AS FAR AS I KNOW, EVERY UTILITY, WE USED TO LOCATE THEM OURSELVES BACK IN THE DAY, BUT IT'S JUST TOO MUCH WE CAN'T.
WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF TO DO THAT.
BUT FPL HAS THEIR LOCATING COMPANY.
ALL OF THOSE CONTRACTORS THAT HAVE UTILITIES, BURIED UTILITIES, HIGHER LOCATING COMPANIES [INAUDIBLE]. [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT USED TO BE 800, MILL CUTS.
>> THAT IS TYPICALLY BORNE BY WHOEVER'S APPLYING FOR THE PERMIT THOUGH. ISN'T IT?
>> IT'S THE UTILITY OWNERS RESPONSIBLE TO LOCATE THEIR UTILITIES.
BY WHATEVER MEANS, YOU DO THAT, WHETHER YOU DO IT YOURSELF IN HOUSE OR YOU HIRE A COMPANY TO DO IT.
>> WELL, WE'RE SIMPLY LOCATING OUR UTILITIES, BASICALLY, THE WATER, I GUESS YES.
>> WATER, CYBEROPTIC, AND RAW WATER.
WE DON'T HAVE TO LOCATE THE STORM BY LAW, BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE THE INLETS AND THE STORM DRAINAGE STRUCTURES.
>> WHEN FPL IS REQUESTED TO LOCATE THEIR STUFF UNDERGROUND, THAT THEY BEAR THE COST OF GOING OUT THERE AND LOCATING IT?
>> DO YOU HAVE FAMILIARITY WITH THE SECOND BIDDER? HAVE YOU WORKED WITH THEM BEFORE?
>> I HAVE NOT WORKED WITH THEM BEFORE.
[LAUGHTER] THEY WERE A HIGH SCORE FOR ME.
>> BY THE WAY, AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR.
I APPRECIATE STAFF'S EFFORT ON THIS.
YOU HAVE A PROCESS YOU FOLLOWED IT.
HINDSIGHT'S ALWAYS 2020 FOOT OF RECORD.
OUR UTILITY DIRECTOR SCORED GEL POINT NUMBER 1, BUT WE HAVE A PROCESS AND FOUR PEOPLE EVALUATED, AND IT'S THE AVERAGE OF THE FOUR.
I HAD THE BLESSING OF WORKING IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
I CALL IT THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND WASN'T AS BOUND BY SOME OF THIS.
IT NEVER SITS RIGHT WITH ME WHEN MONEY DOESN'T COME INTO AN ACCOUNT AS MUCH.
WE'RE ENTERING A CONTRACT THAT COULD LEAVE US TO, SO AGAIN, NOT FINDING ANY FAULT.
>> THE CRITERIA THAT YOU REFER ABOUT ON BIDDING, THE CCNA, I APPRECIATE YOU SENT IT TO ME. I READ IT.
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I'M NOT AN EXPERT, SO I'M NOT FINDING ANY FAULT HERE.I JUST WONDER WHETHER IT REALLY APPLIED.
WELL, MAYBE THOSE COMPANIES DO THIS WORK.
SECONDLY, HINDSIGHT IS I DO THINK THAT IF THEY'RE QUALIFIED, THEN PRICE SHOULD MATTER.
IT'S JUST SUCH A HIGH INCREASE FROM LAST YEAR, SO I GET IT ON THE SCOPE INCREASE.
I GET EVEN A REASONABLE ADJUSTMENT IN PRICE.
I WAS ALWAYS ABLE TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT.
HOW'S MY GUT FEEL ABOUT THIS? NOT TOO GOOD WHEN THE PERSON I HAD BEFORE IS GETTING 66% INCREASE, AND THE $55,000 NEXT TO SOMEBODY THAT EVERYBODY ELSE SEEMED TO EITHER HAVE NUMBER 1 OR NUMBER 2.
IT WAS VIEWED AS A QUALIFIED COMPANY.
BUT AGAIN, I'M NOT CRITICIZING STAFF.
I THINK WHEN THEY GO OUT AND THEY PUBLISH THESE THINGS, I THINK THEN YOU'RE BOUND BY THAT WITH THE WAY THE PUBLIC BIDDING GOES, CORRECT? YOU WENT AHEAD AND FOLLOWED IT.
>> THERE IS THE OPTION TO JUST AWARD IT FOR ONE YEAR AND THEN REBID IT IN A YEAR.
>> [OVERLAPPING] CAN I ASK FOLLOW UP. HOW BADLY WOULD THIS PUT US BACK IF WE DID NOT APPROVE THIS RIGHT NOW, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN?
>> WE WOULD NOT HAVE SOMEBODY TO LOCATE OUR UTILITIES UNLESS CAS AGREED TO DO IT AT THEIR CURRENT PRICING, AND WE EXTENDED THEIR CONTRACT FOR A PERIOD UNTIL WE WERE ABLE TO REBID.
>> WOULD HAVE A FAIRLY IMMEDIATE NEGATIVE IMPACT, ACTUALLY?
>> THANK YOU. I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT CONTEXT ON THIS ITEM.
I THINK I LIKE THE IDEA OF ONE YEAR POTENTIALLY, BUT I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO STOP THIS ITEM.
WITH THAT, I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE.. WE COULD GIVE DIRECTION.
THAT'S OPEN FOR DISCUSSION, I GUESS.
DO WE WANT TO HAVE THIS BE APPROVED FOR ONE YEAR AND THEN LOOK AT IT AGAIN?
>> I'D SAY IT'S A GOOD BALANCE.
WE KEEP THE UTILITY LOCATOR BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE DON'T HAVE ONE, AND IT GIVES US THE OPTION TO GO BACK OUT TO RFP IN A YEAR.
>> I CAN'T EMPHASIZE ENOUGH HOW IMPORTANT THE WATER UTILITY IS IN TERMS OF HEALTH AND SAFETY, AND THE IMPORTANCE THAT EACH OF THESE ITEMS IS.
WE CAN'T RISK GAPS OR POOR SERVICE.
THE QUALITY OF THIS IS PARAMOUNT.
I'LL LOOK AT THAT, BUT I WANT TO ALWAYS PRIORITIZE IF THE SERVICE IS GOING TO BE BETTER, IF IT'S GOING TO BE MORE RELIABLE AND IF THAT'S CRITICAL TO THE OPERATION OF SOMETHING THAT'S SO IMPORTANT TO JUPITER RESIDENT SAFETY.
I'M GOING TO BE MORE FLEXIBLE WITH THAT.
WITH THAT, IF THERE'S CONSENSUS, MAYBE I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND GIVE DIRECTION FOR A YEAR AND THEN MAYBE LOOK AT REBIDDING DOWN THE LINE, CONTINGENT ON THE FACT THAT THAT DOESN'T INTERRUPT OPERATIONS IN ANY WAY.
>> BUT THIS IS A CONTRACT WHERE IT'S ONE YEAR AND THEN, AND WE CAN BRING IT BACK IN.
>> THEY WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT THEY GO THROUGH, THERE WAS NO PROBLEM WITH THE SELECTION.
MAYOR ARE YOU LOOKING TO CHANGE THE PROCESS DOWN THE ROAD?
>> NO. FIRST OF ALL, IF YOU'RE DOING IT FOR ONE YEAR, IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? THEN I GET IT.
QUITE FRANKLY, I'M NOT SO SURE STAFF DOESN'T FEEL THE WAY I DO, BUT THEY WENT OUT TO BID AND THEY WERE AT A TIME CRUNCH AND WE NEED TO SERVICE.
I KNOW THAT'S AN IMPORTANT SERVICE.
THAT'S WHY I POINT OUT THAT LESSON LEARNED FROM IT.
THEY DIDN'T FIND NUMBER 2 NOT ACCEPTABLE.
THEY ONLY GAVE 10 POINTS TO THE PRICE AND GOING OUT IN THE RFP.
>> THERE WAS A MOTION, WAS IT SECOND? SECOND? MOTION IS SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>> MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
[12. Approving the use of Federal Forfeiture funds to purchase and equip a fully operational shaved ice trailer in the amount of $46,585.]
WAS THAT PULLED BY THE VICE MAYOR?>> IT WAS. IF I COULD JUST HAVE CHIEF COME UP.
I JUST WANTED TO ASK JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC.
COULD YOU SPEAK TO WHAT FEDERAL FORFEITURE FUNDS ARE AND WHAT THEY ARE USED FOR? THE DIFFERENT PURPOSES, WHAT RESTRICTIONS IS ON THAT MONEY?
>> CERTAINLY. THERE'S TWO TYPES OF FORFEITURE FUNDS.
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ONE IS STATE FORFEITURE, THE OTHER IS FEDERAL FORFEITURE.EACH ONE OF THEM COMES FROM THE COURT SYSTEMS. THE STATE COURTS PROVIDE FUNDING THROUGH THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL COURT SYSTEM, PROVIDE FEDERAL FUNDS.
THOSE FUNDS ARE TYPICALLY FUNDS THAT ARE SEIZED DURING A CRIMINAL CASE AND UPON EITHER A PLEA AGREEMENT OR A DISPOSITION OF GUILTY, THOSE FUNDS ARE GIVEN TO THE MUNICIPALITY OR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE THAT ACTUALLY RECEIVED THEM THROUGH THE COURT CASE OF A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS TAKING DRUG MONEY FROM DRUG DEALERS.
THE INTENT IS TO PUT THOSE FUNDS BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY WERE TAKEN FROM OR THE COMMUNITY THAT WAS AFFECTED.
THE STATE FORFEITURE FUNDS COMING FROM THE STATE COURT SYSTEM HAVE A REQUIREMENT THAT A CERTAIN AMOUNT, I BELIEVE IT'S 20% GO BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY IN A CERTAIN WAY, EITHER THROUGH EDUCATION, DRUG EDUCATION, OR COMMUNITY OUTREACH PROGRAMS. THE FEDERAL SYSTEM DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE THOSE, BUT WE AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TRY TO UTILIZE AS MANY OF THOSE FUNDS AS POSSIBLE FOR PUBLIC OUTREACH PROGRAMS. THE OTHER TYPES OF USES THAT WE HAVE ARE IF THERE ARE ONE TIME PURCHASES THAT WE COULD NOT PUT ON THE TAXPAYER THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY PAY AND IMPLEMENT THROUGH THE FORFEITURE ASSETS THAT WE RECEIVE.
>> THIS ITEM IS BEING REQUESTED BY JUPITER POLICE, JUPITER FIRE.
JUST CURIOUS ABOUT HOW YOU CAME UP WITH IT.
>> CERTAINLY. THE FUNDS ARE MANAGED BY THE TOWN OF JUPITER THROUGH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND THE CHIEF MAKES THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL, AND COUNCIL GIVES THE APPROVAL TO UTILIZE THOSE FORFEITURE FUNDS FOR EXPENSES.
IN THIS CASE, THE INTENT IS TO AGAIN DO PUBLIC OUTREACH, BUT NOT JUST FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT REALLY FOR MANY OF THE DEPARTMENTS HERE IN THE TOWN.
WE ENVISION THAT THIS PROGRAM WOULD BE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S PUBLIC OUTREACH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS PUBLIC OUTREACH.
WE COULD USE PARKS AND REC, THE WATER DEPARTMENT.
ANYTIME WE'RE GOING TO GET TOGETHER WITH THE COMMUNITY AND TRYING TO ENGAGE THEM IN CONVERSATIONS, ELICIT INFORMATION FROM THEM, SHARE THINGS ABOUT THE TOWN OR WHATNOT.
WE COULD BRING THIS TRAILER OUT.
WE COULD SET IT UP AND WE GIVE OUT FLAVORED ICE TO CHILDREN AND FAMILIES TO CREATE ANOTHER MECHANISM TO ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY.
>> I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA USING FORFEITED FUNDS FOR THAT PURPOSE.
USING THE FORFEITED FUNDS FOR YOUR OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY IS A GREAT IDEA.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CONCERNED ME EARLIER WHEN DISCUSSING WITH TOWN MANAGER IS THE POTENTIAL FOR COMPETING WITH LOCAL VENDORS.
BUT I'VE BEEN ASSURED THAT THIS IS NOT REALLY SAME LEVEL OF SOME OF OUR LOCAL VENDORS THAT SELL SHAVED ICE.
THERE'S NO INTENTION HERE TO MAKE MONEY OR PROCEEDS OFF THIS.
WE'RE ALSO NOT GOING TO BE UTILIZING THIS IN ANY FUNCTION THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE A VENDOR WHO POSSIBLY PROVIDES SHAVED ICE OR FOOD OR DRINK TO.
IT'S NOT COMPETING WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
IT'S NOT REPLACING THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
IT'S FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF EVENTS.
>> PERFECT. ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT MEETING THE HEALTH REQUIREMENTS FOR A MOBILE? IS IT NOT REALLY FOOD OR IS IT? DOES IT HAVE TO BE CLEANED A CERTAIN WAY? DOES SOMEBODY HAVE TO GO TO CERTAIN CLASSES?
>> I HAVE THE PROJECT MANAGER BEHIND THE HENNESSY, BUT YES WE WILL FOLLOW ANY RULES AS FAR AS HEALTH AND SAFETY IS CONCERNED, FOR HOW WE EITHER TRANSPORT THE ICE, HANDLE THE ICE OR PROVIDE THE ICE AND FLAVOR TO THE COMMUNITY?
>> AS HOT AS IT IS IN THIS COMMUNITY NOW, IT'S A GREAT IDEA TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT PRESENT.
I PLAYED HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL IN CENTRAL FLORIDA.
WE HAD BUCKETS OF ICE WATER EVERYWHERE WE WENT BECAUSE IT WAS SO HOT OUT THERE.
SO SOMETHING LIKE THAT'S A GREAT IDEA, I THINK AND IT'S A GOOD IDEA [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE HOPE IT IS VERY SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE IN FLORIDA, IT'S HOT 11 MONTHS OF THE YEAR, SO WE THINK THERE'S ALWAYS BE AN AVENUE TO PROVIDE ICE TO KIDS AND FAMILIES.
>> HOT 11 MONTHS AND THEN WARM THAT OTHER MONTH.
>> I HOPE I DON'T STEP INTO IT AND ASKING IT, BUT I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ANSWER IS. YOU DID A GOOD JOB.
I APPRECIATE EMPHASIZING THAT STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDS HAVE CERTAIN PURPOSES TO BE USED FOR.
IF WE WERE TO HAVE GONE DOWN A PATH OF USING OUTSIDE VENDORS FOR THAT, THAT HAS TO BE FUNDED FROM OPERATING BUDGET, DOES IT NOT?
>> THAT WOULD COME THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND.
LIKE IF WE WERE TO HAVE SOME OTHER TOWN EVENT WHERE WE HAD FOOD VENDORS, THAT WOULD COME FROM GENERAL FUND, YES, SIR.
>> UNIQUELY HERE, USING FORFEITURE ISN'T AS CLEAN AS DOING IT IN OTHER WAY VERSUS THIS WAY.
THE OTHER WAY HAS OPERATING BUDGET IMPLICATIONS IF ONE WAS TO NOT DO THIS AND HIRE CONTRACTORS TO DO IT?
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>> I JUST WANTED TO [OVERLAPPING]
>> I ACTUALLY HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION AS A FOLLOW UP.
DO YOU HAVE TO USE THIS FUNDING WITHIN A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD OR HOW DOES THAT WORK?
>> WE DO ACCUMULATE THE FUNDS FROM THE COURT SYSTEM WHEN THEY SEND THEM TO US AND EVERY YEAR THERE'S A 20% RULE ON THE STATE SIDE THAT WE NEED TO UTILIZE THOSE FUNDS FOR THOSE DRUG EDUCATION, EDUCATION OR COMMUNITY OUTREACH PROGRAMS. YES, THERE IS IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCES A REQUIREMENT FOR A TIME PERIOD AS WELL AS A PERCENTAGE AMOUNT.
>> HERE WE HAVE TWO CITIZEN COMMENTS ON BOTH ITEM.
FIRST, WE HAVE LINDA MCDERMOTT AND THEN CRAIG MAORI.
>> AGAIN, I HAVE CONCERNS ON BUYING THIS PARTICULAR EQUIPMENT OUT OF FORFEITURE FUNDS.
JUST SO YOU KNOW EVER SINCE 1997, I HAVE DONE ALL FORFEITURE REPORTS, STATE, FEDERAL, LOCAL, AND AUDITED THEM.
THIS WOULD BE A RED FLAG WHILE IT IS ALLOWABLE.
NOTHING THAT SAYS THAT YOU CAN'T BECAUSE IT IS FOR A COMMUNITY EVENT.
BUT MY ISSUE IS THIS SHOULD BE COMING OUT OF RECREATION AND WE SHOULD BE USING ASSET FORFEITURE FUNDS FOR POLICE THINGS THAT BRING IN THE ASSET FORFEITURE FUND, SUCH AS DRUG INTERACTION, INTERVENTION, CERTAIN TYPES OF CRIME.
YES, YOU HAVE TO USE 20% FOR COMMUNITY, HE'S CORRECT.
YOU HAVE TO MAKE DONATIONS TO EVENTS, BUT I STILL CAN'T SEE BUYING.
THIS ICE MACHINE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT AND POLICE OFFICERS SALARY STANDING THERE DOING THE ICE. I JUST DON'T GET IT.
I HAVE ALWAYS AGREED WITH POLICE UNDERSTAND, BUT THIS IS ONE THING THAT I SAY NO TO FORFEITURE FUNDS.
I'VE AUDITED THEM AND IT IS A RED FLAG TO SHOW AN ICE MACHINE.
WHILE YOU CAN EXPLAIN THAT, IT'S STILL NOT THE BEST USE OF FORFEITURE FUNDS.
YOU CAN PUT THAT DETECTION FOR BOMB DETECTION IN HERE WITH THE FUNDS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND OVER $40,000 FOR THIS ICE TRAILER, NO. NOT ALLOWED.
>> I'M CRAIG MAORI, 230 BLOCK ISLES LANE, JUPITER.
I APPRECIATE THE EXPLANATION FOR THE FORFEITURE FUNDS AND THE USE.
I STILL HAVE ONE CONCERN IS MAYBE JUST AN UNFORTUNATE OVERSIGHT IN THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY.
THERE ARE A LIST OF POSSIBLE PROPOSED USES IN THE FIRST LISTED USES OF JUPITER JUBILEE.
THIS PAST FEBRUARY, WE HAD ANNIE'S ITALIAN ICES AND KONA ICE AS BOTH VENDORS AT THE JUPITER JUBILEE.
IF WE WERE TO PURCHASE THIS TRAILER AND USE IT AT THE JUPITER JUBILEE, WOULD THAT NOT BE DIRECT COMPETITION WITH PRIVATE ENTERPRISE? AS LONG AS THERE IS SOME MECHANISM IN PLACE TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE NOT COMPETING, THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS NOT COMPETING WITH PRIVATE ENTERPRISE, I'M ALL FOR IT.
ABSENT THAT, I'M NOT ALL FOR IT. THANK YOU.
>> MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THERE WOULD BE SEPARATE EVENTS.
I KNOW WE HAD THE RIBBON CUTTING FOR A PLAYGROUND RECENTLY AND WE HAD ANNIE'S ICE THERE AND THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL.
THIS IS VERY SPECIFIC TO COMMUNITY POLICING, COMMUNITY EDUCATION REGARDING CERTAIN SPECIFIC ISSUES IN NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE SHOULD BE VERY CAREFUL AT THE JUPITER JUBILEE, I AGREE.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MAKE SPACE FOR VENDORS.
>> WE WOULD ONLY USE JUPITER JUBILEE IF OTHER VENDORS WERE NOT AVAILABLE AND WE WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE.
WE WILL NOT DISPLACE ANY BUSINESSES CURRENTLY OR THAT WE WOULD USE IN THE FUTURE WITH THIS.
THAT WAS WHEN I PUT IN JUPITER JUBILEE IN THERE.
ALL THE OTHER EVENTS AND OTHER EVENTS THAT WE HAVEN'T EVEN THOUGHT OF YET WHERE WE WOULD GO INTO THE COMMUNITY, ENGAGE PEOPLE, PARK OPENINGS AND WHATNOT.
>> OBVIOUSLY WALK WITH A COP AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IF YOU WERE TO ADD.
THESE SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD EVENTS, I ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND.
BUT MAYBE JUST A DIRECTION, WE SHOULD SAY, FOR THE LARGER EVENTS, WE SHOULD ALWAYS MAKE SURE THAT THOSE VENDORS ARE APPROACHED FIRST AND GIVEN EVERY OPPORTUNITY.
THAT'LL BE THE MECHANISM BY WHICH WE ENSURE THAT THERE'S NO COMPETITION WITH PRICE.
>> THIS WOULD NOT BE A COMMERCIAL SIZE ABILITY TO COMPETE WITH AN ANNIE'S ICE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR AN EIGHT HOUR EVENT.
THAT'S NOT THE SIZE OF THE ROAD.
>> IT WAS DESCRIBED TO ME HOW SMALL IT REALLY IS, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. THANK YOU.
>> I SHARED MR. MALLORY'S CONCERN ABOUT THE COMPETITION WITH LOCAL VENDORS, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S BEEN THOROUGHLY ADDRESSED AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
I ALSO SHARE MS. MCDERMOTT'S CONCERN ABOUT USING THE FUNDS TO BRING OTHER FUNDS IN.
BUT I SEE IN THIS ONE INSTANCE,
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I THINK IT'S BETTER IF WE CAN PREVENT A KID FROM TURNING TO CRIME INSTEAD OF ARRESTING HIM AFTER HE'S COMMITTED THE CRIME.I THINK PART OF THIS OUTREACH PROGRAM IS SPECIFICALLY TO DO THAT, TO TRY TO DISSUADE SOME OF THESE KIDS FROM DOING THE WRONG THING.
THOUGH IF WE CAN DO THAT WITH THIS TYPE OF MECHANISM, I THINK IT'S A VALID USE.
>> I THINK OUTSIDE OF RECREATION, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS ONE OF THE MOST PUBLIC FACING OUTWARD FACING DEPARTMENTS THAT WE HAVE.
THEY SPEND SO MUCH TIME IN THE COMMUNITY.
THEY'RE REQUESTING THIS, AND THEY'RE DOING IT SPECIFICALLY FOR COMMUNITY GATHERINGS RELATED TO PUBLIC SAFETY, VERY SPECIFICALLY COMMUNITY OUTREACH AROUND PUBLIC SAFETY.
IT'S BUILDING THAT RELATIONSHIP THAT WILL HELP MAKE A DIFFERENCE THERE.
AFTER I UNDERSTOOD THAT BECAUSE THERE WASN'T TOO IN THE STAFF REPORT AND SO I DID HAVE TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS AND I DID WANT TO GET IT ON THE RECORD.
>> I'LL TAKE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
>> MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>> MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
MOVING ON TO REPORTS, TOWN ATTORNEY.
[TOWN ATTORNEY]
>> LAST FRIDAY, THE PARTIES IN THE LAWSUIT INVOLVING THE REFERENDUM QUESTION SUBMITTED THEIR PROPOSED ORDERS TO THE JUDGE SCOTT, THEN THE LABOR DAY WEEKEND OCCURRED, SO THERE'S NO TIME FRAME FOR THE JUDGE TO RULE.
BUT ALL HE HAS BEFORE HIM IS THE TOWN'S MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT, AND FROM THE WEEK BEFORE THE POLITICAL COMMITTEES MOTION FOR LEAVE TO AMEND THEIR COMPLAINT.
I EXPECT THAT HE'LL PROBABLY RULE ON BOTH ORDERS AT THE SAME TIME, BOTH PROPOSED ORDERS. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU, MAYOR.
[TOWN MANAGER]
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS REAL QUICK.
THE JUPITER FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH PARKS AND REC TO ENHANCE SOME OF THE SAFETY FEATURES IN OUR PARKS.
TWO SIGNIFICANT THINGS ARE, WE'RE HAVING AEDS INSTALLED IN SIX TOWN PARKS.
JUPITER COMMUNITY PARK, ABACOA COMMUNITY, SINQUA, LIGHTHOUSE, MAPLEWOOD AND JUPITER VILLAGE.
IF NEEDED, THE AED CAN BE ACCESSED BY CALLING 911 AND ASKING FOR THE CODE TO OPEN THE BOX.
WE ARE WORKING WITH PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE AND NORTH COM AND PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE DISPATCH TO SET UP THE CODES IN THEIR DISPATCH PLATFORM, AND WE'LL HAVE TO GET ALL THOSE ACCOMPLISHED BEFORE WE CAN MOVE AHEAD WITH LAUNCHING THIS LIFE SAFETY PROGRAM, BUT IT IS A COLLABORATION BETWEEN ALL OF.
AS FALL SPORTS HAVE BEGUN AT OUR FACILITIES, OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE EAGER TO GET THIS PROGRAM UP AND RUNNING.
THE OTHER THING THAT IS SIGNIFICANT IS THE TOWN HAS PARTNERED WITH ADEN PERRY FOUNDATION, HAVE LIFE RINGS INSTALLED AT TOWN PARKS THAT HAVE BODIES OF WATER.
THE RINGS AND SIGNAGE HAVE BEEN RECEIVED AND JFRD IS WORKING WITH PARKS AND REC ON INSTALLATION.
WE'VE GOT THE THIRD ROUND OF ORDERS FOR OUR VETERANS MEMORIAL BRICK PROGRAM ENDED ON SATURDAY AND WE HAD 88 BRICKS ORDERED ON THIS GO ROUND.
THESE BRICKS WILL BE INSTALLED BY VETERANS DAY, AND WE'LL HONOR THESE VETERANS AT OUR VETERANS DAY CEREMONY ON NOVEMBER 11TH.
WE WILL REOPEN ORDERS AGAIN IN OCTOBER.
I'M SURE FOR THOSE THAT CAME IN PAST THE OLD POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHEN YOU CAME IN TODAY, YOU SAW THAT THE DEMOLITION OF OLD TOWN HALL BEGUN LAST WEEK.
I'M NOT SURE WHY THEY HAD TO START WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. I WASN'T READY FOR THAT.
BUT YOU CAN SEE IT'S ALL TORN APART.
IRONICALLY, THEY STARTED WITH CHIEF ENGLAND'S OFFICE. I DON'T KNOW WHY.
[LAUGHTER] WE'LL CONTINUE ON THAT.
PRIOR TO THE WORK, PROTECTIVE BARRIERS WERE INSTALLED AROUND THE OAK TREES LOCATED AROUND THE BUILDING TO MAKE SURE WE PROTECT THOSE, AND WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT THE DEMOLITION WILL TAKE APPROXIMATELY 25 DAYS TO COMPLETE.
BIMA HAS RELEASED NEW FLOOD ZONE MAPS.
PALMACH COUNTY PLANNING ZONING AND BUILDING WILL HOLD A PUBLIC OUTREACH OPEN HOUSE AT JUPITER COMMUNITY CENTER THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 26TH FROM 5:00-8:00 PM TO DISCUSS THE NEW MAPS.
THIS IS A PRETTY IMPORTANT MEETING.
I WOULD CERTAINLY SUGGEST PEOPLE MIGHT WANT TO ATTEND TO HEAR WHAT'S IN
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STORE BECAUSE IT COULD IMPACT FLOOD INSURANCE AND A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS.THEN JUPITER POLICE DEPARTMENT IS PLANNING A REDEDICATION OF THE MEMORIAL TREE PLANTED IN MEMORY OF OFFICER BRUCE ST. LOREN NEXT MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 9TH AT 9:00 AM.
[TOWN COUNCIL – LIAISON REPORTS AND COMMENTS]
>> JUST REAL QUICK. I WANTED TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION FOR STAFF.
I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH JEFF STEVEN FROM WASTE MANAGEMENT.
IT SEEMED TO BE SOME CONFUSION AS FAR AS THE DIRECTION GOES THAT WAS GIVEN AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING FOR THEM TO PROCEED WITH THEIR SCHEDULE, THE ROUTE CHANGES, THE SCHEDULE CHANGE.
I JUST WANTED TO BE ABLE TO TALK AMONGST US SO THAT STAFF UNDERSTANDS WHAT IS EXPECTED AS FAR AS THE TIME FRAME FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO CHANGE THE SCHEDULE OF THE WORK WEEK, AND I KNOW THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED THE CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS THAT THE MAYOR HAD BROUGHT UP THAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR, AND I KNOW WE ALL AGREED THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM TO COME IN COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS.
BUT I WANTED TO GET CLARIFICATION FOR STAFF, THEM PROCEEDING WITH THE SCHEDULE CHANGE CONTINGENT UPON THE CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP, OR WERE WE TELLING THEM GO AHEAD AND WORK ON GETTING THE NOTIFICATION OUT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE SCHEDULE BY THE DATE THAT THEY WANTED, OR WAS IT YOU NEED TO COME IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONTRACT BEFORE YOU CAN MOVE AHEAD WITH THAT? I JUST WANTED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AMONGST US REAL QUICK THIS EVENING SO THAT STAFF CAN GET WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT AND TELL THEM WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING OF THEM.
>> WELL, IF YOU'VE SPOKEN WITH THEM, DO YOU KNOW WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO GET TO BE IN COMPLIANCE? THAT'S A RELEVANT QUESTION.
THEY WERE STANDING HERE AND THEY WERE TALKING LIKE THEY WERE NEVER GOING TO.
>> BASICALLY WHAT IT WAS GIVEN TO ME IS IT IS BEING WORKED ON, GETTING THEIR SIDE OF THE SYSTEM SET UP WHERE THEY'RE TAKING CALLS AND COMPLAINTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO BE ABLE TO MERGE IT IN WITH WHAT WE'RE TAKEN ON JUPCONNECT.
IT WAS TOLD TO ME THAT WAS DEFINITELY AN ADMINISTRATIVE THING THAT HAS TO BE DONE THAT'S BEING WORKED ON, BUT IT IS BEING WORKED ON.
THERE WAS NO TIME GIVEN DIRECTLY AS WHEN THEY'LL HAVE THAT UP AND RUNNING.
BUT I WAS ASSURED THAT IT IS IN PROCESS.
THEN AS FAR AS THE REPORTS GO, THEY COULD PROBABLY GENERATE THOSE REPORTS AT ANY TIME.
I WOULD ASSUME THAT WE SHOULD BE GETTING A REPORT FROM THEM AT SOME POINT.
THE REPORTS THAT WE WERE REQUESTING AS THEIR OBLIGATE BOUND BY THE CONTRACT TO GIVE.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF THEY WERE TRYING TO GET THE COMMUNICATION OUT, MAILERS, THINGS LIKE THAT AS TO WHEN IT'S GOING TO GO.
I TOLD THEM, I SAID, LISTEN, IF YOU NEED TO PUSH THIS BACK BY A WEEK OR SO, THEN THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO HAPPEN, WHICH THEY AGREED THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT.
THEY JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO KNOW WHEN THEY SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH ANNOUNCING THE SCHEDULE CHANGE AND IF IT WAS CONTINGENT UPON THOSE ITEMS IN THE CONTRACT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AT THE LAST MEETING.
>> I THINK WE NEED TO REMOVE UNCERTAINTY IN THIS PROCESS.
I SAW A PALM BEACH POST ARTICLE WHERE THEY'VE ALREADY ANNOUNCED IT TO RESIDENTS.
WE WANT TO REMOVE CONFUSION, REMOVE UNCERTAINTY.
WE DID ASK FOR THAT AND THEY ARE CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED TO DO IT.
I GOT THE IMPRESSION FROM SPEAKING TO HIM TODAY THAT IT MAY TAKE A LITTLE LONGER AND THAT THE TIMELINE IS ADDING PRESSURE.
I WANT TO DO IT RIGHT, WHATEVER WE DO.
THEY DO NEED TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE.
BUT I AM FLEXIBLE TO HAVING THAT MOVE IN PARALLEL BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BE REALLY CAREFUL.
I DON'T WANT IT WRITTEN DOWN. I AGREE.
I LOVE WHAT WE HAVE FROM STAFF HERE ON THE ACTION ITEMS UPDATE.
>> WE NEED TO KNOW HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE THEM TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE.
WE NEED A DATE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
LET'S GET SOME SPECIFICS HERE TO SEE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
THEY NEED TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE.
THAT WAS A REQUEST THAT WE HAVE ONE SYSTEM SO THAT WE CAN PROPERLY SPEAK TO THE PERFORMANCE OF THIS VENDOR TO OUR RESIDENTS.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO GET HELD UP OR CAUSE MORE CONFUSION AND END UP WITH A MESS ON OUR HANDS.
>> WELL, DURING MR. SABIN PRESENTATION, HE WAS JUST WORKING ON HIS HARD LINE OR HIS TIMELINE OF OCTOBER 1ST.
THEY NEED TO COME IN FULL COMPLIANCE.
YOU SAID THE POST THEY'RE ALREADY PUTTING IN FOR THAT IT'S GOING TO CHANGE ON THE DATE.
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FROM WHAT I WAS TOLD, WASTE MANAGEMENT DID NOT REACH OUT TO THE POST.THAT WAS BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WAS BEING HAD AT THE COUNCIL MEETING.
THE POST WAS REPORTING ON THE COUNCIL MEETING AND THE UPDATE, NOT NECESSARILY ANYTHING.
WASTE MANAGEMENT DIDN'T REACH OUT TO THE POST AND SAY THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING.
IT'S JUST BASED ON OUR CONVERSATION.
>> THEY NEED TO COME IN FULL COMPLIANCE BEFORE ANY DATE SET FOR THE CHANGE.
WE SIGNED A 10- YEAR CONTRACT.
IT'S A GOOD CONTRACT. VERY HAPPY WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT.
BUT THE TAXPAYERS OF TOWN AREN'T GOING TO LOSE ANYTHING OUT OF THIS DEAL, AND EVERYTHING THEY'RE PAYING FOR FULL COMPLIANCE AND WE'LL COME UP WITH A DATE WHEN WE FEEL EVERYTHING IS IN PLACE.
THE INFORMATION IT'S GOING TO BE CONFUSING.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF COMPLIANCE. YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE.
I DON'T WANT ANY WORD GOING OUT, WE'RE CHANGING ON OCTOBER 1ST AND IT'S THREE WEEKS LATER TO BE A MESS.
>> WE NEED THEIR DATE IN WRITING.
HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE FOR THEM TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE? THEN THAT WILL BE THE DATE.
>> THEY NEED TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE AND THEN WE'LL SET THE DATE.
[OVERLAPPING] I THINK WE SET THE DATE.
WHEN WE'RE SATISFIED, WHEN THE PEOPLE THAT YOU ARE SATISFIED, WE SET THE DATE AND THEN THE ADVERTISING CAN BEGIN.
>> THAT'S HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT.
>> I THINK THE HIGHEST PRIORITY IS, WHICH I BELIEVE WE ALL EXPRESSED RESERVATIONS ABOUT HOW QUICKLY THEY WERE GOING TO DO IT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THERE CAN BE AN EFFECTIVE COMMUNICATION PLAN OF THE WAY THEY WERE TALKING.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO FINALIZE THEIR COMMUNICATION PLAN BECAUSE I'M A SKEPTIC.
I THINK WE ALL WERE BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS IT'S NOT GOING TO REACH PEOPLE.
THEY'RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT IT, AND THEN EVERYBODY'S GOT A VALID COMPLAINT.
WASTE MANAGEMENT IS GOING TO HAVE TO ANSWER HOW THAT IS.
IF THEY WANT TO PROCEED HASTILY, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO RESOLVE PEOPLE LEGITIMATELY NOT EVEN KNOWING ABOUT THE CHANGE, CALLING UP WITH A COMPLAINT.
I THINK THE BURDEN IS ON THEM.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT THE WEBSITE UPDATE, WHICH IS IMPORTANT.
IF THEY REALLY TRULY HAD A PROCESS HOW TO MANAGE WHAT WAS COMING IN, TAKE MID COURSE ADJUSTMENTS BUT MY BIGGEST CONCERN WAS I DIDN'T THINK THEY COULD COMMUNICATE THIS EFFECTIVELY.
>> I'VE BEEN TALKING TO PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN ASKING ME ABOUT IT AND NUMBER 1 IS, TRASH IS GOING TO SIT THERE FOR DAYS SO PEOPLE REALIZE I TAKE A FEW CYCLES, OH, IT'S ON A DIFFERENT DAY NOW.
>> I'LL LEARN THROUGH NEIGHBORS.
>> I AGREE WITH THAT. WE NEED TO FINALIZE A DATE WITH THEM TO GET THESE INTER-ACTUALLY OBLIGATED REQUIREMENTS, AND THEN WE SET THE DATE AFTER AND LET'S NOT RUSH.
>> IS THAT GOOD DIRECTION FOR YOU, [INAUDIBLE]
>> I'M ASSUMING THAT COMING INTO COMPLIANCE RELATES TO THE ITEMS THAT WE'VE LISTED IN THIS CHART, HOA COMMUNICATION, SIGNAGE, ONLINE MAP, WEBSITE UPDATES, MAILER, SOCIAL MEDIA, CONTRACT COMPLIANCE, LETTER, QUARTERLY REPORTS, AND WEB-BASED TRACKING SYSTEM.
THIS WAS THE TAKEAWAY AT THE ROUND TABLE.
AM I CORRECT IN ASSUMING THAT THEY HAVE TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THESE THINGS.
>> THAT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S WHAT THE DIRECTION IS BEING TAKEN.
>> YEAH. I APPRECIATE YOU CLARIFYING THAT.
>> COUNSELOR MAY, AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE ARE PROVIDING THEM OUR RESOURCES.
>> I HAVE NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.
>> I HAVE NO DOUBT ABOUT EXPEDITE THIS PROCESS.
>> I WANT TO TELL THEM HOW TO DO BUSINESS, BUT I THINK A GOOD WAY TO DO IT WOULD BE TO START TO PUT STICKERS ON GARBAGE CAN LIDS AND PEOPLE WOULD KNOW IN THAT AREA, USE THE BLUE STICKERS OR THE YELLOW STICKERS.
THIS SAYS ON THESE DATES, THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
>> GREAT SUGGESTION AND THAT'S THE KIND OF THINKING YOU'D EXPECT TO COME FROM THEM.
>> MAYBE THEY'LL BE RECEPTIVE TO OUTSIDE IDEAS.
>> ANYTHING ELSE? REAL QUICK ON THE JD STATE PARK, STAFF GREAT LETTER THAT YOU GUYS WROTE TO SEND UP TO THE GOVERNOR'S DESK AND JUST LETTING HIM KNOW HOW MUCH WE OPPOSE THAT.
IT'S PRETTY AWESOME TO SEE THE COMMUNITY COME OUT AND REALLY SUPPORT THE PARK.
IT'S FUNNY ENOUGH IF I MADE A QUICK JUST SOCIAL MEDIA POST BECAUSE SOMEONE CREATED A PAGE PROTECTION JONATHAN DICKINSON STATE PARK PAGE.
LIKE 47,000 PEOPLE ON THE PAGE,
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AND I WAS LIKE IF EVERYBODY JUST DONATED $5 TO THE TOWER BECAUSE THE TOWER AT HOPE MOUNTAIN HAS BEEN CLOSED FOR SOME TIME BECAUSE IT'S JUST RUNDOWN.I SAID, WE COULD GENERATE ABOUT $236,000 TO HELP REPAIR THE TOWER REPLACE THE TOWER.
WITHIN LIKE 36 HOURS, I RAISED $10,000 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S PRETTY COOL TO SEE EVERYBODY COME TOGETHER, THROW A QUICK $5 TO THE FRIENDS OF JONATHAN DICKINSON AND RAISE THAT MONEY AND MONEYS STILL COMING IN.
THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF PLEDGES AND STUFF TO DO THE PROJECT RENOVATIONS AT THE PARK AND STUFF.
IT'S REALLY ENCOURAGING TO SEE THE COMMUNITY RALLY TO PROTECT THE PARK.
I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT THE PLANS WERE WITHDRAWN.
THEY HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.
DOESN'T SOUND LIKE ANYTHING'S GOING TO HAPPEN NOW.
BUT JUST KEEP AN EYE ON IT MAKE SURE NOTHING COMES TO FRUITION LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD BE A DETRIMENT TO JD.
APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S SUPPORT ON THAT.
>> I WAS THE WAY SO MUCH HEARSAY WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENS.
I HAD HEARD THAT, CORRECT ME OR TELL US THAT THAT PROCESS TO DONATE WAS LIMITED BY HOW MANY THEY COULD DO IN A DAY.
>> WE OVERWHELMED THE SYSTEM THAT NIGHT AND I WAS ABLE TO GET A HOLD OF THE PRESIDENT OF FRIENDS OF JONATHAN DICKINSON AND LATE THAT NIGHT, THEY WERE ACTUALLY ABLE TO GET THEIR VENDOR TO RAISE THE LIMIT.
IT WAS THAT THEY WERE KEPT AT, WHATEVER IT WAS, BUT THEY WERE ABLE TO RAISE THE LIMIT, WHICH WAS ENCOURAGING.
THEN THEY WERE GOING TO WORK ON RAISING THE LIMIT MORE.
BUT YEAH, IT WAS PRETTY CRAZY THAT WITHIN A FEW HOURS I'M GETTING PEOPLE TEXTING ME.
I CAN'T DONATE. IT'S LOCKED ME OUT.
THEY CAN'T HANDLE ANY MORE DONATIONS TONIGHT.
IT WAS PRETTY COOL THAT PEOPLE WERE REALLY TAKING THE OPPORTUNITY TO DONATE.
WE OVERWHELMED THE SYSTEM IN A GOOD WAY, BUT THEY GOT IT FIXED AND IT'S MOVING RIGHT ALONG.
>> IT WAS AMAZING HOW QUICKLY AND ORGANICALLY THAT MOVEMENT GREW IN A DAY.
IT JUST BLEW UP AND IT WAS JUST EVERYBODY JUST WENT BIT FROM FROM HEARING THAT AND IT WAS INCREDIBLE. REALLY COOL.
>> YEAH, JUST TO SPEAK TO JONATHAN DICKINSON, THAT WAS AMAZING.
I WAS GRATEFUL THAT YOU DID THAT.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THERE IS SOME MOVEMENT IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE.
OUR STATE SENATOR, GAIL HAROLD IS LOOKING TO PROPOSE LEGISLATION POTENTIALLY.
THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THIS ITEM HAS COME UP, AND WHAT'S TO STOP IT FROM COMING UP AGAIN? DEFINING THE USES IN STATE PARKS COULD BE HELPFUL.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS BEING DISCUSSED.
SHE WAS AT THE LEAGUE OF CITIES MEETING THAT WE HAD MOST RECENTLY.
SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT WAS THERE, AND SHE STOOD UP AND ASKED, HOW WOULD THIS IMPACT LOXAHATCHEE RIVER? IT WAS A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION OF EVERYONE IN THAT ROOM.
IT IS ALSO A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION AMONG ALL THE ELECTS.
I DON'T KNOW ANYONE THAT'S FOR, SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
THIS COUNCIL HAS CERTAINLY BEEN CONSISTENT IN PROTECTING PRESERVE AREAS.
WE HAD AN ITEM A LONG TIME AGO WITH THE PALM WOOD PRESERVE.
THAT WAS SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO AND PROTECT.
WE'RE CLEAR, NOT JUST ON PROCESS, BUT ON POLICY.
WE'RE GETTING A NUMBER OF OTHER ELECTED ON THE RECORD ON THOSE THINGS.
I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO BE PROACTIVE IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE THAT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
BE GREAT IF THE STATE WOULD PAY FOR THAT POWER AS WELL.
>> MAYBE WE'LL GET SOME APPROPRIATIONS THIS YEAR FOR IT.
>> IT'S NOT OURS, IT'S NOT OUR COUNTY, BUT THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING AND I HOPE TO SEE A LOT OF MOVEMENT, THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION.
I GUESS JUST ONE OTHER ITEM REAL QUICK IS THE PALM BEACH NORTH CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, HAS A SMART AND CONNECTED TASK FORCE.
EACH MUNICIPALITY THERE AS A REPRESENTATIVE AND I'M WORKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT ONE THING THAT THEY'RE ANNOUNCING AND PUSHING OUT IS SOMETHING FOCUSED FOR SMALL BUSINESSES, THE RESOURCE FOR SMALL BUSINESSES.
IT'S A DIGITAL RESOURCE, A ONE STOP SHOP, IT HOLDS ALL INFORMATION.
IT HELPS THEM COMPARE MUNICIPALITIES WORK WITHIN EACH OF OUR SYSTEMS. IT'S A REAL ASSET, THEY'VE PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO THIS OVER A NUMBER OF MONTHS.
ROGER HELD FROM THE TOWN HAS ANSWERED A NUMBER OF QUESTIONNAIRES AND HAS ADDED HIS INPUT TO THAT SYSTEM.
IT'S GOING TO START TO GO LIVE, AND SOMETHING IT'S EXCITING TO JUST SEE THEIR PIVOT.
THEY'VE REALLY FOCUSED ON CONNECTING THE NORTHERN PART OF OUR COUNTY AND ALL THE DECISION MAKERS IN IT.
BUT TO SEE SOMETHING SPECIFIC FOR SMALL BUSINESSES IS REALLY WONDERFUL.
THAT SHOULD COME OUT SHORTLY AND JUST WANTED TO SHARE. THAT'S IT.
>> JUST OUT IN THE BOAT LAST WEEKEND.
IT'S NICE TO SEE THE ONE OF THE BASCULES ATTACHED TO THE,
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THE SOUTH SIDE, ONE OF THE TRUES, BRIDGE IS COMING ALONG.IT WAS PRETTY COOL TO SEE. THEY WERE ON THE BARGES FOR A WHILE.
NOW THERE'S PROBABLY ANOTHER ONE UP NOW HAVE BEEN DRIVEN BY IN A DAY OR TWO.
>> THEY ONE'S THE SOUTHWEST SPAN THAT IS IN.
>> THEY'RE GETTING CLOSE. WHAT'S THE DATE, NOVEMBER OATH.
>> NO. IN FAIRNESS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD GIVE A DATE.
THEY'RE LATER THAN THEY HAD EXPECTED SO.
>> THEY'RE LOSING AT THE EXTRA MONEY THEY COULD HAVE GOT IT.
AUGUST. BUT YOU LOOK AT THAT THAT IS SO MUCH JUST HAND LABOR.
I MEAN, JUST ALL THE REBAR AND IT'S TOUGH AT A TIME.
YOU'RE GOING TO GET BRING THAT BRING THAT IN.
>> I KNOW THAT WHEN IT OPENS BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN CONVERSATION AT THE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING AGENCY ABOUT THAT.
IT'S GOING TO BE QUITE A FEW ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING THERE.
WE AS A TOWN, HOPEFULLY HAVEN'T LOST SIGHT OF WHAT THE BRIDGE USED TO BE.
IT'S JUST INCREDIBLE BECAUSE EVEN OPENING UP TWO LANES WHEN IT OPENS UP, IT'S GOING TO BE WITH BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN.
>> DOES THAT OPEN THE PEDESTRIAN?
>> YEAH. BECAUSE IT'S ON EACH SIDE.
IN FACT, AS I'VE DRAWN BY THERE AND YOU LOOK AND YOU LOOK AT IT AS BEING BUILT, I MEAN, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING.
IT IS GOING TO BE SUCH A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT INCREDIBLY.
LOOKING FORWARD TO THE CELEBRATING THAT DAY.
>> DO WE HAVE A CELEBRATION BLAME FOR OURSELVES, THE TOWN DO ANYTHING?
>> WELL, IT'LL BE THAT EVENT BECAUSE THAT WE'LL BE PARTICIPATING IN, BUT IT'S A WIDER THAN JUST A TOWN.
>> LIKE A CEREMONIAL JUMPING OFF THE BRIDGE.
LIKE WE USED TO DO THE THE OLD US ONE BRIDGE, LIKE THE ORIGINAL ONE.
WE USED TO JUMP OFF THAT ALL THE TIME. IT WAS AWESOME.
>> STATUTE OF LIMINE HAS RUN OUT ON THAT CHIEF.
>> YES. I'M GOING TO BRING UP JONATHAN DICKINSON, STATE PARK AGAIN.
AGAIN, THAT'S A STATE PARK, AND WHILE IT IS OUR PARK, WE LIKE TO CALL IT OUR PARK BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
I WANT TO POINT OUT TO EVERYBODY THAT THIS IS ONE OF NINE THAT THEY WERE PREPARING TO ADULTERATE.
EVERYBODY THAT WAS ON THE BANDWAGON TO STOP THIS NEEDS TO GET ON THE BANDWAGON TO STOP THEM IN ALL THE OTHER EIGHT LOCATIONS AS WELL.
THESE STATE PARKS ARE NOT MEANT TO HAVE PICKLEBALL COURTS IN IT.
THAT'S LIKE A BAD SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE SKI OR SOMETHING.
A PICKLEBALL COURT IN THE MIDDLE OF AT A WOODED STATE PARK IS CRAZINESS.
I URGE EVERYBODY WHILE THE MOMENTUM IS THERE, PRESS ON, TAKE THEM ON, STOP THIS CRAZINESS IN THE OTHER PARKS AS WELL.
THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY THAT STOOD UP FOR JDSP.
>> I THINK A NUMBER OF THE OTHER LOCATIONS KICKED OFF A SIMILAR EFFORT FROM WHAT I CAN GATHER.
>> JUST CRAZY. IT'LL GUIDED AND MISINFORMED.
I WANT TO THANK YOU TOWN MANAGER FOR THE AD UPDATES FOR ALL OF OUR LOCAL PARKS.
THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. I JUST GOT BACK FROM VACATION, AND UNFORTUNATELY, WHILE I WAS ON VACATION, ONE OF MY TRAVEL MATES WENT INTO VTA, AND IT WAS A SITUATION WHERE AN AD MIGHT HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE IF THERE HAD BEEN ONE AVAILABLE.
IT'S A GREAT THING TO HAVE, AND THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
BUT I ALSO WANTED TO BRING BACK ONE MORE TIME, OUR DISCUSSION OF LIGHTNING DETECTION.
HAVE WE ELEVATED THAT TO ANY TYPE OF SITUATION WHERE WE CAN GET QUOTES?
>> IT IS IN THE PLAN, I DON'T HAVE AN UPDATE FOR IT AT THE MOMENT.
>> THAT'S FINE AS LONG AS IT'S IN THE PLAN.
>> I'LL MAKE SURE YOU GET IT. I'LL PUT IT INTO FRIDAY REPORT.
>> PERFECT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LAWYER.
>> THE TIME IS NOW 9:14, WE'LL ADJOURN THE MEETING.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.