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>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. IT'S SEVEN O'CLOCK OR A LITTLE AFTER.
[CALL TO ORDER]
I'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.I'D LIKE TO CALL THE AUGUST 13TH, 2024 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER.
STAFF, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL SO WE CAN ESTABLISH A QUORUM.
COMMISSIONER KEENAN. COMMISSIONER BLUM.
>> WE HAVE A QUORUM. ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK THIS EVENING BEFORE THE COMMISSION, PLEASE SUBMIT A GREEN COMMENT CARD TO THE SECRETARY.
SPEAKERS WILL HAVE 3 MINUTES TO EXPRESS THEIR COMMENTS.
NEXT ARE CITIZEN COMMENTS UNRELATED TO THE AGENDA ITEMS FOR TONIGHT.
THE BOARD WILL NOT DISCUSS THESE ITEMS THIS EVENING.
ANY ISSUES WILL BE NOTED BY STAFF OR FOLLOW UP AS APPROPRIATE.
STAFF, ARE THERE ANY COMMENT CARDS FROM THE PUBLIC FOR NOW?
>> OKAY. NEXT, WE'RE GOING TO THE MINUTES ON THE AGENDA.
[MINUTES]
WE HAVE THE MINUTES FROM THE JULY 9TH MEETING.ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE MEETING MINUTES?
>> I'M SORRY, SHE'S HAVING TROUBLE HEARING YOU.
AGREE THAT THE MAIN SIGNAGE SHOULD REMAIN OVER THE DOORS ON THE WESTERN ELEVATION, BUT SUGGEST THAT A SECOND STATION 2 SIGN BE ADDED TO THE SOUTHERN ELEVATION SO THAT WAY THE PUBLIC CAN EASILY IDENTIFY IT.
I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE THAT WESTERN ELEVATION.
>> THEN ALSO, STATION 01 AND STATION 02, THE PH STATION IS IN BLACK AND THEN [INAUDIBLE] STATION IS IN RED.
I JUST THOUGHT WE MAKE THAT THE SAME COLOR, UNLESS THERE'S SOME REASON FOR THE DIFFERENCE IN COLOR.
>> WELL, IS THAT PART OF THE DISCUSSION FROM THE MEETING? I MEAN, THESE CHANGES THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, IS THAT TAKEN FROM THE DISCUSSION OF THE MEETING?
>> YES, IT WAS MY COMMENTS FROM THE LAST MEETING.
>> STAFF WILL MAKE THOSE CHANGES?
>> OKAY. THEN WHAT'S THE PROCESS? OR DO WE HAVE TO RETAKE ROLE TO GET KAREN HERE COMMISSIONER?
WITH THOSE CHANGES, THEN, WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDED MINUTES?
>> OPPOSED. ON TO THE REGULAR AGENDA.
[A.1. Flagler Wharf]
IT'S QUASI-JUDICIAL.DO ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY EX PARTE DISCLOSURES? START WITH COMMISSIONER VINSON?
>> CAN YOU HEAR ME? I SPOKE WITH ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS THIS AFTERNOON AND I DROVE BY AND DID A SITE CHECK.
>> I WALKED THE PROPERTY AND SPOKE WITH STAFF ON THE ISSUE.
>> I WALKED THE PROPERTY AND LOOKED AT GOOGLE EARTH.
>> I ALSO WALKED THE PROPERTY AND SPOKE WITH STAFF, AND I ALSO STOPPED BY THE APPLICANT TO PICK UP A SET OF LARGE-SCALE PLANS AND SPOKE WITH TROY HOLLOWAY FOR A FEW MINUTES.
>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BLUM.
>> I DROVE THROUGH THE PROPERTY [INAUDIBLE].
>> NOW, AT THIS POINT, WE'LL INVITE THE APPLICANT TO GIVE THEIR PRESENTATION.
>> YES, JOHN. OH, SWEARING IN.
>> PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
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DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR UNDER THE PENALTIES OF PERJURY THAT THE TESTIMONY ARE ABOUT TO GIVE IN THIS MATTER TO TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING THE BUT TRUTH? YOU CAN BE SEATED.>> THANK YOU. APPLICANT PRESENTATION.
>> GOOD EVENING. FOR THE RECORD, TROY HOLLOWAY WITH 2GHO.
WE'RE HERE ON BEHALF OF INDEX INVESTMENTS.
WE THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING TONIGHT SINCE WE ARE THE ONLY ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING TO GET THIS THROUGH.
AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE WERE HERE LAST MONTH.
WE HAD SOME ISSUES THAT WE HAD TO WORK OUT.
WE WERE POSTPONED TO COME AND WORK WITH STAFF.
WE MET WITH STAFF THE VERY NEXT DAY, WHICH WAS VERY NICE OF THEM TO LET US COME IN.
WE WENT THROUGH A LOT OF THE ISSUES AND WORK THROUGH EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR ONE ITEM, WHICH WE'LL GET INTO.
I'M JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH TRYING TO, FOR THE MOST PART, COVER SOME THINGS, THE CHANGES AND SOME OF THE MORE IMPORTANT PARTS OF THE APPLICATION.
WE ARE HERE TONIGHT SEEKING A USE-BY-RIGHT SITE PLAN APPROVAL TO REDEVELOP THE PRE-EXISTING 2.95 ACRE BELLS MOBILE HOME PARK WITH A TWO-STORY, 3,376 SQUARE FOOT WATERFRONT CAFE, WITH 1,210 SQUARE FEET OF COVERED OUTDOOR DINING ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND 2,758 SQUARE FEET OF PROFESSIONAL OFFICE UPSTAIRS ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
WE'RE ALSO REQUESTING A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO REFURBISH, RECONFIGURE, AND RESTORE THE EXISTING 50-YEAR-OLD 14 BOAT SLIPS TO 12 SLIPS.
ALSO, HERE ON THE, JUST A LITTLE PHOTO THERE BELOW, THAT IS THE EXISTING BELLS MOBILE HOME PARK WITH THE 14 SLIPS.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE MANY OF THE BOATS, THERE WERE COMMERCIAL FISHING BOATS THAT WERE BASICALLY ACTIVE ALMOST EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.
THIS IS THE SITE PLAN, PRETTY MUCH THE SAME PLAN YOU SAW LAST MONTH.
WE DO STILL HAVE THE ONE-WAY INGRESS THERE FROM OLD JUPITER BEACH ROAD.
WE DO HAVE THEN OUR MAIN ENTRANCE EXIT ON A-1-A, WHICH WOULD BE AT THIS POINT UP BY THE TWO-STORY CAFE AND OFFICE BUILDING ITSELF.
WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE RELOCATING THE TWO TREES, SHIFTING THE EIGHT-FOOT SIDEWALK INTO THE PROPERTY.
ONE OF THE ISSUES FROM LAST MONTH WAS ABOUT THE COVERED, SCREENED, AND GATED OUTDOOR DELIVERY SERVICE AREA.
THE STAFF WANTED IT PARKED, IT WAS ALSO VERY LARGE.
BASICALLY WHAT WE HAD DONE, REDUCED THE SIZE OF THAT, IT WAS QUITE LARGE.
IT WAS PRETTY MUCH THIS WHOLE CHUNK OF THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
WE REDUCED THE SIZE OF THAT IN SIZE.
WE STILL ALSO HAVE THE 12 BOAT SLIPS, WHICH ARE ESSENTIALLY TO BE LEASED TO THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE AND THEY'RE NOT FOR RESTAURANT USE, NOT FOR TAXI USE, THEY'RE NOT TRANSIENT, THEY WILL BE STRICTLY LEASED TO, HOPEFULLY, RESIDENTS OF THE TOWN.
THIS IS THE BLOW-UP OF THE AREA PRETTY MUCH WHERE ALL THE REVISIONS DID OCCUR.
AGAIN, ONE OF THE ISSUES WAS GETTING THE BUILDING TO BE ORIENTED AND ENGAGED WITH THE ROAD WITH DIRECT PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, WITH OPERATIONAL DOORS, WHICH WOULD BE IN THIS LOCATION HERE.
ESSENTIALLY, THIS SQUARE AREA NOW IS THE COVERED, SCREENED, AND GATED OUTDOOR DELIVERY SERVICE AREA.
SINCE WE WERE GOING TO BE HAVING TO PARK THE WHOLE THING, WE DECIDED WE MIGHT AS WELL MAKE THE SPACE ACTUALLY USABLE RESTAURANT.
WE'VE PULLED THE RESTAURANT ALL THE WAY TO THE FRONT.
THIS WOULD BE OFFICE AREA FOR THE RESTAURANT ITSELF.
OPERATIONAL DOORS, NOT REALLY FOR PUBLIC ACCESS INTO THE RESTAURANT, BUT THEY WOULD BE FUNCTIONAL DOORS INTO THE OFFICE.
THE MAIN ENTRANCES INTO THE RESTAURANT WILL BE STILL ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDES OF THE BUILDING.
WE ALSO RECONFIGURED ON STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, WHICH WAS A GOOD ONE.
WE TOOK SOME OF THE OUTDOOR DINING AND PUT IT ALL, WE BASICALLY ORIENTED ALL WE COULD AGAINST THE MARINA, AND THEN, AGAIN, TO THE EAST SIDE AND WHAT WAS LEFT HERE JUST ON THE CORNER ITSELF.
THIS WOULD BE THE AREA FOR THE HISTORICAL MARKER, AND WE PROPOSED TWO LARGE CAP ROCKS, SOMETHING NATURAL FOR THE SEATING AREA AT THAT POINT.
OF COURSE, WE STILL HAVE OUR UPLAND TRANSITIONAL PLANTINGS AND OUR MANGROVE PLANTINGS AROUND ALL THE SLIPS.
THE SQUARE FOOTAGES DIDN'T CHANGE A WHOLE LOT.
THE CAFE DID GET LARGER BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY WE INCLUDED THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE LOADING DELIVERY SERVICE AREA, WHICH WE ENCLOSED, BUT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO INCLUDE ALL THAT ANYHOW.
CAFE, 3,376 SQUARE FEET, OUTDOOR DINING, 1,210, PROFESSIONAL OFFICE, I DON'T THINK CHANGED AT ALL AT 2,738.
SEVENTY-SEVEN PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED AND WE STILL HAVE AN EXCESS PROVIDING 84.
THIS IS THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATIONS.
THE NORTH ELEVATION FACING THE SLIPS DID NOT CHANGE NOTICEABLY AT ALL.
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ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE WOULD BE THE LOUVERED GATE AREA INTO THE DELIVERY, PROBABLY GOT A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.THE EAST ELEVATION IS EXACTLY THE SAME, THE WEST ELEVATION FACING A-1-A WAS CHANGED, IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THE EAST ELEVATION.
HAD A DOUBLE OPERATIONAL DOORS INTO THE OFFICE.
BUT ESSENTIALLY, THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY CHANGE IF YOU COULD REALLY TELL.
NO CHANGE THERE, NO CHANGE TO THE SLIPS.
EAST END. THIS WOULD BE THEN THE WEST END FACING A-1-A.
ON THE 3DS, YOU CAN SEE, AGAIN, THEY ARE VERY NICE.
I THINK IT'S A VERY NICE ELEVATION, VERY ENGAGED WITH A-1-A WITH THE DOUBLE DOORS.
AS WELL, YOU CAN SEE WE'VE GOT THREE STEPS UP.
WE HAVE AN ELEVATED DECK AROUND THE BUILDING AS WELL.
I THINK IT WAS FLAT IN THE PREVIOUS, THAT GIVES A NICE FEEL.
THIS WOULD BE THE HISTORICAL MARKER SIGNAGE.
AGAIN, JUST A GRAPHIC REPRESENTATION, BUT WE'D HAVE SOME LARGE CAP ROCKS FOR THE SEATING.
THERE'S TWO CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT WE WOULD JUST REQUEST A CHANGE TO IF WE COULD.
CONDITION 7(A)(I), REVISE THE SITE PLAN TO ADD A NOTE THAT VESSELS DOCKED AT THE MARINA SHALL BE LIMITED TO NO MORE THAN 35 FEET IN LENGTH OVERALL.
THEN CONDITION 7(C), WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR, THE 12 BOATS APPROVED FOR THE PRIVATE MARINA SHALL BE LIMITED TO VESSELS NO MORE THAN 35 FEET IN LENGTH OVERALL.
WE'RE SIMPLY REQUESTING THAT TO BE A 40-FOOT LENGTH BOAT.
THE BOAT SLIPS AND THE DOCK DESIGN, BOTH ALLOW FOR THIS LENGTH, THE CANAL WIDTH ALLOWS FOR THIS LENGTH, AND THE DEPTH OF THE CANAL CAN ALSO ACCOMMODATE THIS LENGTH OF BOAT.
THE EXISTING CANAL DATA, WHICH WOULD BE FROM THIS END OUT TO THE MOUTH OF THE CANAL, THERE'S CURRENTLY 21-PLUS DOCKS IN THAT CANAL TODAY.
NINETEEN OF THOSE DOCKS ARE CAPABLE OF SUPPORTING 40-FOOT-PLUS LENGTH BOATS.
THERE ARE 17 APPROXIMATELY BOATS PLUS JET SKIS THAT ARE CURRENTLY DOCKED WITHIN THAT CANAL, AND 3-4 OF THOSE BOATS ARE 40-FOOT IN LENGTH.
ONE OF THOSE BOATS IS APPROXIMATELY 80 FOOT IN LENGTH.
JUST TO COVER SOME OF THE CONCERNS IN THE STAFF REPORT.
THEY TALK ABOUT CAPACITY OF VESSELS UTILIZING THE MARINA THAT LIKELY WILL WARRANT REQUIRING ADDITIONAL PARKING FOR SUPPORT SERVICES TO ACCOMMODATE THE CREW, MAINTENANCE, AND PASSENGER DEMANDS ASSOCIATED WITH LARGER-CAPACITY VESSELS.
IT GOES ON TO SAY THAT ADDITIONAL PARKING AND TRAFFIC ASSOCIATED WITH A SERVICE AND MAINTENANCE PERSONNEL, TYPICALLY ASSOCIATED WITH LARGER MOTOR YACHTS THAT ARE GENERALLY 50-FOOT-PLUS FEET IN LENGTH.
THEN TALKS ABOUT SEVERAL MARINAS IN THE TOWN WHERE THEY'RE HAVING SOME ISSUES WITH THIS.
THREE OF THOSE MARINAS WERE THE MARINA AT THE BLUFFS.
AGAIN, JUST TO SHOW THAT WE'RE REALLY NOT APPLES AND ORANGES HERE.
MARINA OF THE BLUFFS IS PLUS OR MINUS 102 SLIPS, AVERAGE LENGTH OF BOAT THERE IS 60-100 FEET UP TO 120 FEET.
ADMIRAL'S COVE HAS PLUS OR MINUS 65 SLIPS.
AVERAGE LENGTH OF BOATS THERE IS 65-120 UP TO 140 FEET.
JUPITER YACHT CLUB, WHICH HAS 85 SLIPS, AVERAGE LENGTH OF 45-60 UP TO 70 FEET.
AGAIN, WE ARE 12 SLIPS ASKING FOR 40-FOOT LENGTH BOATS.
WE'RE NOT REQUESTING 50-FOOT MOTOR YACHTS, NOTHING OVER 40 FEET.
WE'LL HAVE NO CAPTAINS, CREW, OR STAFF WILL BE REQUIRED, SERVICE AND MAINTENANCE ON BOATS OF 40-FOOT OR LESS IN LENGTH ARE TYPICALLY DONE OFFSITE.
NO ADDITIONAL PARKING OR INCREASED TRAFFIC DEMANDS WILL BE PROPOSED FROM WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING.
THE INDUSTRY STANDARD IS ONLY 10% OF BOAT OWNERS UTILIZE THEIR BOATS ON A DAILY BASIS.
IN THIS INSTANCE, THAT WOULD EQUATE TO 1.2 OR 1-2 BOATS BEING UTILIZED AT THIS MARINA ON AVERAGE.
FORTY-FOOT BOATS WOULD BE IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE CURRENT RESIDENTIAL NATURE AND CHARACTER OF THE CANAL.
WE'RE SIMPLY REQUESTING THAT THE PRIVATE SLIPS BE ALLOWED TO SUPPORT 40-FOOT BOATS AS CURRENTLY EXISTING AND CURRENTLY BEING OPERATED AND ENJOYED BY ALL OTHER RESIDENTS ALONG THIS CANAL.
SOME OF THE BENEFITS THAT WILL BE ENVIRONMENTAL ENHANCEMENTS AND BENEFITS THAT WE'LL BE DOING TO THAT CANAL BASIN.
SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT HAS PERMITTED AND STATED THAT NO ADVERSE WATER QUALITY IMPACTS ARE ANTICIPATED AS A RESULT OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT.
THEY'VE ALSO STATED THAT NO BENTHIC RESOURCES OR SEAGRASSES CURRENTLY EXIST IN THIS AREA SUCH AS STARFISH, OYSTERS, CLAMS, SEA CUCUMBERS, SEAGRASS, ETC.
FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF STATE DIVISION OF HISTORICAL RESOURCES INDICATES THAT NO SIGNIFICANT ARCHAEOLOGICAL OR HISTORICAL RESOURCES ARE RECORDED IN THE PROJECTS AREA.
NO LIVERBOARDS WILL BE ALLOWED, NO COMMERCIAL VESSELS WILL BE ALLOWED, THERE'LL BE NO SHIP STORE, NO FUELING, OR FISH CLEANING FACILITIES WILL BE ALLOWED OR PERMITTED AT THIS MARINA WITHIN THESE SLIPS.
WE'LL ALSO BE DREDGING UP TO FOUR FEET OF SILT AND DEBRIS FROM THE CANAL FLOOR,
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WHICH IS VERY MUCH NEEDED.THE PLANS DO MEET ALL COMP PLAN POLICIES AND PROVIDES THE FOLLOWING MARINE IMPROVEMENTS: CONCRETE PILINGS TO ENCOURAGE OYSTER GROWTH, PROVIDES SHORELINE BUFFER ZONES FOR UP TO 100% OF THE UPLAND EDGE, PROVIDES MANGROVE PLANTINGS ALONG 100% OF THE MARINA EDGE, BOTH THE TREE AND SHRUB, PROVIDES EDUCATIONAL AND HISTORICAL SIGNAGE, INCLUDING MANATEE AND SEA TURTLE ZONE SIGNAGE, INCREASED FLUSHING CAPABILITY THROUGH SLIGHT WIDENING OF THE CANAL DEAD END, AND ANNUAL FLOW OF APPROXIMATELY 41 MILLION GALLONS OF FILTERED STORMWATER FROM THE JUNEAU STREET PROJECT ACROSS FROM OLD DIXIE AND FUTURE STORMWATER FLOW FROM OLD JUPITER BEACH ROAD.
>> SOME OF THE PROJECT BENEFITS.
SINCE PURCHASING THE PROPERTY IN 2016, THE INDEX INVESTMENT GROUP HAS RELOCATED THE RESIDENCES, REMOVED THE BLIGHTED AND DILAPIDATED HOMES, AND COMPLETELY CLEANED UP THE PROPERTY AND THE 14 SLIPS AS WELL.
PROVIDED THE TOWN AN EASEMENT FOR STORMWATER PIPE, THE ONE I JUST MENTIONED, COMING FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF OLD DIXIE HIGHWAY.
THEY'LL ALSO BE PROVIDING THE TOWN AN EASEMENT FOR STORMWATER PIPE INTO THE CANAL BASIN TO ALLEVIATE CURRENT DRAINAGE PROBLEMS ON OLD JUPITER BEACH ROAD.
AGAIN, RELOCATING THE TWO TREES WHICH NEED TO BE RELOCATED AND RAISED BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL STRESSING BECAUSE THEY'RE TOO LOW AND THEY'RE GETTING A LOT OF SALTWATER INTRUSION.
THEY'LL BE PROVIDING SAFER PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE BY MOVING THE SIDEWALK INTO THE PROPERTY, PROVIDING LANDSCAPE SEPARATION FROM THE ROADWAY, UNDERGROUNDING THE OVERHEAD WIRES ALONG OLD JUPITER BEACH ROAD ALONG THE PROPERTY FRONTAGE, REFURBISHING, RESTORING, AND DREDGING THE 50-PLUS-YEAR-OLD BULKHEAD BOAT SLIPS AND THE BASIN AREA.
SHIFTING THE EXISTING BULKHEAD AND SLIP SLIGHTLY SOUTHWARD TO REMOVE THE BOAT SLIPS FROM THE CANAL RIGHT AWAY, WHICH WILL ALSO HELP THE TIDAL FLUSHING AND ALSO THE TURNING MOVEMENTS AT THAT AREA AS WELL.
THEY'LL PLACE A HISTORIC MARKER NEAR THE MARINA EDGE ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE TO INFORM AND CELEBRATE THE HISTORY OF THIS AREA, AS WELL AS EDUCATIONAL SIGNAGE REGARDING THE MARINE ENVIRONMENT AND HABITAT.
THE PROJECT WILL MAKE ENVIRONMENTAL ENHANCEMENTS TO THE CANAL BY UTILIZING RIP RAP, PLANTING MANGROVES, AND CONCRETE PILINGS TO STIMULATE MARINE LIFE AND PROVIDING UPLAND HABITAT AS WELL.
THE REFURBISHED BOAT SLIPS WILL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE WATER ACCESS TO JUPITER RESIDENTS WHO ARE NOT AS FORTUNATE TO LIVE ON THE WATER.
IN CONCLUSION, PALM BEACH COUNTY TRAFFIC HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT DOES MEET THE TRAFFIC PERFORMANCE STANDARDS OF PALM BEACH COUNTY.
THE BOAT SLIPS HAVE CURRENT APPROVALS FROM SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT AND THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS.
WE'RE REQUESTING NO VARIANCES AS THE PROJECT DOES MEET ALL SPECIAL EXCEPTION AND SITE PLAN REVIEW CRITERIA AND IS COMPLIANT WITH ALL ZONING CODES AND COMP PLAN REQUIREMENTS.
DOES PROVIDE FOR A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN AD VALOREM TAXES.
THE LANDSCAPE PLAN DOES EXCEED ALL THE CODE REQUIREMENTS IN ADDITION TO MITIGATING FOR ALL EXISTING TREES THAT ARE ON SITE.
THE QUALITY AND LEVEL OF THIS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WILL BE SETTING THE STANDARD FOR OTHER PARCELS AS THEY COME IN FOR THEIR REDEVELOPMENTS AS WELL.
WE DO AGREE TO ALL THE OTHER CONDITIONS AS SUGGESTED BY STAFF. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. TOWN'S STAFF, PLEASE.
>> GOOD EVENING. FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS MARTIN SCHNEIDER.
I'M WITH THE TOWN'S PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT.
THE APPLICANT ADDRESSED MOST OF THE MAJOR CONCERNS STAFF AND THE COMMISSION HAD FROM THE PRIOR MEETING.
THEY DID A GOOD JOB OF ADDRESSING THE REDEVELOPMENT OVERLAY AREA AND PUTTING THE DOORS AND MAKING THAT A REAL OPERATING FRONT TO THE BUILDING AND MOVING MOST OF THE DELIVERY AREA AND COUNTING THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE TOWARDS THE RESTAURANT, SO THAT SOLVED THAT ISSUE AND PROVIDING A HISTORIC MARKER EASEMENT AND PROVIDING VIEWS AND SOME CAPSTONES FOR SITTING SO THAT YOU HAVE A NICE SETTING OVER ON THE SIDEWALK ALONG ALTERNATE A1A TO ENJOY THAT WATERFRONT VIEW AND TRY TO IMAGINE THE HISTORY OF THE AREA.
THE ONE ISSUE THAT REMAINS IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT THE MAXIMUM BOAT LENGTH SHOULD BE SET AT.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING 35 FEET LENGTH OVERALL.
THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS BEFORE, IT WAS LENGTH OF THE WATER LINE.
WE FOUND THAT THAT IS A TOUGHER WAY TO MEASURE FOR SMALLER VESSELS.
THE LENGTH OVERALL IS FROM BASICALLY THE TIP OF THE BOAT TO THE BACK OF THE BOAT WITHOUT COUNTING THE ENGINE.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING 40 FEET LENGTH OVERALL.
BETWEEN 30 AND 40 FEET IS WHERE BOATS TRANSITION FROM SMALLER BOATS TO LARGER BOATS.
THERE'S NO SET POINT WHERE YOU CAN SAY, YEAH, THAT'S A SMALLER BOAT, THAT'S A LARGER BOAT.
IT WOULD JUST BE UP TO YOU AND THE COUNCIL TO DETERMINE WHAT THE CORRECT LENGTH IS, BUT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING 35 LENGTH OVERALL IN THIS AREA.
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THE TOWN DID RECEIVE A NUMBER OF EMAILS OVER THE LAST WEEK REGARDING THE APPLICATION, INCLUDING A LETTER FROM THE APPLICANT.THESE COMMUNICATIONS WERE FORWARDED TO THE COMMISSION AND COPIES WERE PLACED ON THE DAIS.
WHILE THESE COMMUNICATIONS, INCLUDING THE ONE FROM THE APPLICANT, PROVIDED A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION, THEY ALSO INCLUDED SOME POTENTIALLY MISLEADING INFORMATION.
THE LETTER FROM THE APPLICANT IS NOT PART OF THE OFFICIAL APPLICATION, SO ANY INFORMATION OR ASSURANCES THAT WERE MADE IN THAT LETTER WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE PART OF THIS APPROVAL.
IF THERE ARE ANYTHING SPECIFIC FROM THE LETTER THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO INCORPORATE INTO THE APPROVAL, YOU'D HAVE TO BRING THAT UP TONIGHT AND MAKE IT AS A RECOMMENDATION.
A FEW OTHER CLARIFICATIONS SINCE OUR LAST MEETING AND BASED ON SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE REFERENCED IN THE COMMUNICATIONS.
THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT VESSELS ENTERING THE DEAD-END CANAL AND BEING ABLE TO MANEUVER INTO SLIPS AND TURN AROUND.
THE PROPOSAL EXPANDS THE WIDTH OF THE CANAL.
VESSELS OF 40 FEET OVERALL LENGTH SHOULD NOT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH MANEUVERING IN THE EXPANDED CANAL IN THE MARINA.
THE APPLICANT CAN SPEAK AND DID SPEAK A LITTLE ON THAT ISSUE.
THE CANAL IS PART OF THE AQUATIC PRESERVE.
SO AS SUCH, DEP AND THE TOWN WOULD BOTH BE RESPONSIBLE FOR REVIEWING AND ANY PERMITTING THAT'S REQUIRED FOR THE MARINA SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY CAN JUST DO SOMETHING, THEY WILL NEED TO GET ALL REQUIRED PERMITS.
THERE WAS AN EMAIL REQUEST FROM A RESIDENT FOR IDLE SPEED OR NO WAKE SIGNAGE.
THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
THE CANAL AND THE OTHER NEARBY CANALS ALREADY ARE INCLUDED IN THE COUNTY'S IDLE SPEED, NO WAKE ZONE SO IT ALREADY SHOULD BE KNOWN, BUT THE COMMISSION, IF THEY'RE INTERESTED, COULD RECOMMEND A CONDITION IF THEY WANT TO SEE ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE.
THE APPLICANT ALSO STATED IN THEIR STATEMENT OF USE THAT THERE WILL BE NO LEVEL BOARDS.
HOWEVER, IF THEY DID WANT TO ALLOW LEVEL BOARDS, IT WOULD REQUIRE A SITE PLAN AMENDMENT.
HOWEVER, IF YOU WANTED THAT MORE PRONOUNCED, YOU COULD ADD A CONDITION IF YOU WANTED TO STRESS THAT THERE SHOULD BE NO LEVEL BOARDS.
WITH THAT, I WILL CONCLUDE AND I CAN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.
>> THANKS, MARTIN. JUST FOR THE FOLKS WHO ARE HERE TO SPEAK, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE QUESTIONS.
THE BOARD WILL ASK QUESTIONS FIRST TO THE APPLICANT AND THE TOWN STAFF, AND THEN YOU ALL HAVE YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
LET'S START WITH COMMISSIONER BLUM, PLEASE WITH QUESTIONS.
>> MY QUESTION IS, MIGHT BE A LITTLE OFF BUT I WAS LOOKING AT THE BATHROOM ON THE FIRST FLOOR, AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ONLY OUTSIDE ACCESS AND THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND TO GET TO IT TO MAKE IT ADA COMPLIANT. AM I CORRECT ON THAT?
>> CORRECT. CURRENTLY, THERE ARE TWO RESTROOMS ON THE OUTSIDE.
STAFF HAD ASKED ME THE SAME QUESTION.
THERE'S NO FLOOR PLANS DEVELOPED FOR THE RESTAURANT ITSELF.
IF THEY ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE THEM INSIDE, THEY'LL HAVE TO PUT THEM INSIDE.
THERE'S NO DETAILED FLOOR PLANS WORKED OUT ON THE INSIDE.
THOSE ARE MAINLY FOR MARINA USE, SO THEY CAN WALK AROUND THE BUILDING AND GET TO THOSE.
BUT FOR ADA ACCESS, AND SOMETIMES THERE'S SO MANY FEET HAVE YOU HAVE TO MEET IF THEY'RE REQUIRED, THEN THEY WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE THEM INSIDE IN ADDITION TO THOSE.
>> THEN MY OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE FOR MARTIN. CAN I START NOW? YOU HAD SAID THAT 35 FEET IS WHAT YOU FELT IT SO STAY AT, BUT THEN YOU SAID THERE IS ROOM TO MOVE A 40-FOOT BOAT.
DID I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY?
>> CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? RED MEANS YOU CAN'T TALK.
WITH THE EXPANSION AND THE WIDTH OF THE CANAL THAT'S ALREADY THERE, THERE SHOULD BE NO ISSUE WITH LARGER BOATS NAVIGATING THAT AREA.
THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS STAFF WANTED TO SET SOME UPPER LIMIT BECAUSE EVEN LARGER BOATS COULD PROBABLY MANEUVER INTO THE SPACES.
>> BUT YOU CONTINUED TO RECOMMEND 35 FEET?
>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER KELSO.
>> HELLO. THERE WE GO. I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS ACTUALLY.
FIRST FOR STAFF. FOR SEVERAL YEARS,
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THE MARINA HAS NOT BEEN ACTIVE.WHEN WAS THE COMMERCIAL MARINA ACTIVE?
>> WE DID NOT FIND THE RECORDS FOR THAT, BUT BASED ON AERIALS, WE COULD SEE IT WENT UP UNTIL ABOUT 2018.
THEY WERE STILL OPERATIONAL ABOUT 2019 IS WHEN THEY STOPPED.
>> WHEN DID IT START? WHEN DID IT FIRST COME TO BEING, ROUGHLY?
>> AS EARLY AS '86 WHEN THE MOBILE HOME PARK WAS THERE.
>> QUITE A LONG TIME IT WAS THEN, SO SINCE 2018, IT'S BEEN DORMANT.
>> ALSO ON THAT NOTE, WE DID NOT FIND ANY RECORDS OF THERE BEING A MARINA APPROVAL FOR THE PROPERTY.
IT MAY HAVE BEEN APPROVED AS AN ACCESSORY USE TO THE MOBILE HOME PARK.
OF COURSE, HISTORICALLY LONGER BEFORE THAT, I WAS PART OF THE RAILROAD AS A WHARF.
BUT WE DIDN'T FIND ANY OFFICIAL APPROVAL BY THE COUNCIL FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR A MARINA AT ANY TIME.
>> IF THE MARINA WAS PRE-EXISTING, WHY WAS THIS PRIVATE BOAT SLIP THAT THEIR APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR NOT GRANDFATHERED IN? IF THE USE HAS ALREADY BEEN ACTIVE, WHY IS IT NOW HAVING TO HAVE?
>> BASED ON THERE BEING NO RECORD, IT'S DIFFICULT TO TELL HOW IT WAS AUTHORIZED ORIGINALLY.
BUT MY PRESUMPTION IS THAT IT WAS CONSIDERED AN ACCESSORY USE.
THAT PRIMARY USE WAS THE MOBILE HOME PARK.
THEREFORE, THERE CAN NO LONGER BE AN ACCESSORY USE.
FURTHER, THE MARINA IS ALMOST COMPLETELY REMOVED AND IT'S DILAPIDATED AND NEEDS TO BE REBUILT.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO COMPLETELY REBUILD THAT DREDGE FURTHER AND EXPAND THE CANAL WIDTH INTO THEIR PROPERTY AND BUILD A NEW MARINA FACILITY.
IN OUR OPINION, IT WAS NECESSARY TO GET A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO ESTABLISH A PRIMARY USE MARINA, BECAUSE THIS WILL BE A PRIMARY USE.
IT'S NOT ACCESSORY TO THE RESTAURANT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PROVIDING PARKING FOR THE RESTAURANT.
IT'S INDEPENDENT USE FOR PRIVATE DOCKAGE AND THEREFORE, IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A PRIMARY USE.
>> THANK YOU. WHO IS CURRENTLY REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN THE SIDES AND DEPTH OF THE CANAL?
>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THIS PROPOSAL THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAINTAIN THEIR PROPERTY FRONT AND THE MARINA THAT THEY'RE PUTTING IN.
>> BECAUSE I'M JUST THINKING WHETHER IT'S A 35 OR 40-FOOT BOAT, GETTING OUT, IF THERE'S PROPERTY OWNERS IN BETWEEN THE END AND THE CANAL THAT THEY MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH.
JUST A QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT.
YOU HAD MENTIONED IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT YOU WERE GOING TO DO 4 FEET ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE ENTRANCE OF THE CANAL.
>> JUST ON THE FRONTAGE OF THIS PROPERTY.
>> THEN WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF YOUR BOAT OWNERS CAN'T GET OUT BECAUSE, AT SOME POINT IN THE CANAL, IT'S TOO LOW?
>> THOSE LENGTHS OF BOATS ARE ALREADY OPERATING OUT THERE TODAY.
THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANY ISSUE.
THERE'S A VERY LARGE FISHING BOAT THAT'S AT THE PROPERTY RIGHT ACROSS FROM US THAT'S DOCKED OUT THERE TODAY.
>> ARE CURRENT RESIDENTS ALONG THE CANAL ALLOWED TO RENT OUT THEIR DOCKS?
>> ARE RESIDENTS ALLOWED TO RENT OUT THEIR DOCKS?
>> YEAH, ALL THE RESIDENTS ON THERE.
IF I HAVE A BOAT LIKE YOU SAID, AND I DON'T LIVE THERE, CAN I GO TO ONE OF THOSE RESIDENTS AND SAY, HEY, I'LL PAY YOU X DOLLARS A MONTH AND I'LL RENT YOU THAT?
>> NO, IT'S THEIR PRIVATE USE FOR THEIR RESIDENTS AS AN ACCESSORY TO THEIR USE AND THEY'RE LIMITED TO TWO BOATS.
>> QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
YOU IN THE LETTER SAY SMALL HEALTHY CAFE.
DO YOU PLAN TO HAVE A LIQUOR LICENSE?
THERE'S ONLY EIGHT SEATS ON THE OUTSIDE.
>> WHAT KIND OF LIQUOR LICENSE ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE?
>> I DON'T KNOW. DO YOU KNOW BORN?
>> FULL LIQUOR LICENSE, WHATEVER.
I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THOSE. WHATEVER FULL LIQUOR LICENSE.
>> A FULL LIQUOR LICENSE WOULD BE A 4COP.
THERE'S ALSO A SFS, WHICH IS WHEN IT'S ASSOCIATED WITH A RESTAURANT, AND THERE'S CERTAIN LIMITATIONS ON THOSE TYPE OF LICENSE.
THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED UNLESS IT'S CONDITIONED TO BE SOMETHING OTHERWISE.
>> WELL, THAT'S SOMETHING I FEEL VERY STRONGLY BECAUSE I JUST PICTURE MYSELF IF I LIVED ON THAT CANAL, HOW I WOULD FEEL ABOUT THIS PROPERTY.
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A SMALL HEALTHY CAFE, I JUST DON'T SEE HAVING A BIG 4COP BAR, BEING A FULL ALCOHOL.THAT'S GOING TO BE LOUD AND WHATNOT.
FOR ME, I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT IT BE ONLY ALLOWED A 2COP.
THAT WAY THEY CAN HAVE BEER AND WINE, THAT WOULD GO ALONG WITH LIKE SITTING NICE AND CASUALLY OUTSIDE HAVING A NICE HEALTHY SNACK AT THE CAFE AND MAYBE HAVING A GLASS OF WINE.
BUT HAVING A FULL LIQUOR LICENSE JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE A BAR AT THE END.
THE OTHER THING, MAX SIZE BOAT.
WHEN I WENT, THERE WERE 11 BOATS AND FOUR OF THEM WERE ABOVE 40 FEET LONG, RIGHT THERE, AT LEAST A THIRD ARE OVER 40 FEET ON THE CANAL SO THAT DOES SEEM LIKE A NORMAL USE FOR THAT CANAL.
IT'S 47 FEET OUT TO THE RIGHT OF WAY SO THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM AS FAR AS DOCKAGE AND THE BOAT LENGTH, EVEN IF IT DOES HAVE A BOW SPRINT OR WHATNOT.
>> I WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH DOING THE 40 FOOT BOAT.
MY BIGGEST THING ABOUT THIS AND FROM MY PAST EXPERIENCE IS HOW THERE'S NO GATES ON THE MARINA AREA, BECAUSE JUST LIKE AT HARBOR SIDE, YOU HAVE THE PUBLIC DOCKS AND THOSE HAVE NO GATES, SO THE PUBLIC CAN COME AND GO AND WALK OUT ON THE DOCKS AND WHATNOT BUT IN THEIR PRIVATE DOCKS, THEY HAVE IT GATED, LOCKED, AND SO ONLY THOSE BOAT OWNERS CAN GET IN THERE SO IT JUST LOOKS TO ME THE WAY THAT'S SET UP AS IT IS FOR ANYONE TO COME IN AND USE THOSE BOAT SLIPS.
>> I THINK THE WHOLE INTENT WAS JUST SO IT WAS ALL OPEN, SO PEOPLE COULD LIKE THEY DO, A LOT OF THESE RESTAURANTS, THEY JUST GO OUT AND WALK ON THE DOCKS.
PROBABLY THEY PREFER TO HAVE BEST AND LOCK IN, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF WOULD PREFER TO HAVE THAT.
>> YEAH BUT I'VE HAD IN COMMUNITIES THAT IF YOU HAVE A BOAT SLIP, YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR BOAT THERE, YOU TELL ALL YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY, OH, YEAH, JUST COME IN AFTER YOU'VE PARTIED OUT IN THE WATER AND USE MY SLIP, AND THERE'S NO PROBLEM, BUT IF IT'S LOCKED AND THERE'S A KEY, IT'S A LOT HARDER FOR ALL THOSE PEOPLE TO GET A KEY FROM THE OWNER.
IT KEEPS IT WAY DOWN AS FAR AS OTHER PEOPLE USING THAT BOAT SLIP.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE DO ALLOW IT, THAT ONLY THAT OWNER BOAT IS IN THAT SLIP.
>> YEAH THE OWNERS DO NOT WANT THAT AS WELL.
THEY LIVE RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM THIS, THAT'S THE LAST THING THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO SEE AS WELL.
>> THE OTHER THING IS YOU IN THE LETTER ALSO SAY RESIDENTS.
ONE THING I'M VERY FIRM ON AS WELL IS MAKING SURE THAT WE DON'T SELL THOSE BOAT SLIPS TO A COMPANY.
AS YOU CAN JUST IMAGINE YOU SELL THE BOAT SLIP TO JP MORGAN.
WELL, THERE'S 50,000 PEOPLE THAT NOW HAVE ACCESS TO THAT BOAT SLIP.
WE WANT IT TO BE A SINGLE INDIVIDUAL THAT CAN BUY THAT BOAT SLIP OR RENT THAT BOAT SLIP AND HAVE THEIR BOAT THERE.
BECAUSE THEN IT DOES COME INTO COMPLIANCE AS FAR AS THE INTENT OF BEING A RESIDENTIAL AREA IN AND OUT LIKE YOU SAID 1.2 TRIPS A DAY, INSTEAD OF 50 TRIPS A DAY.
>> I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW YOU WOULD MAKE SURE THAT IT'S THE OWNER'S BOAT THAT IS IN THAT SLIP.
IS THERE GOING TO BE SOME METHOD TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT'S DOCKED THERE IS ACTUALLY WHO IS RENTING IT?
>> I AM NOT SURE BUT THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK INTO SOMEHOW THEY WRITE THAT LEASE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT LIMITS THE USE OF THAT SLIP TO MAYBE IT'S REGISTERED TO A CERTAIN BOAT. I'M NOT SURE.
>> THREE CONDITIONS I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST TO THE BOARD IS TO NOT SELL TO A NON RESIDENTIAL ENTITY LIKE A COMPANY OR NONPROFIT, LIKE I SAID, THAT IT'S ONLY A SINGLE PERSON OWNER OR FAMILY, WHAT HAVE YOU.
THE SECOND CONDITION IS TO INSTALL FOUR DECORATIVE GATES TO MATCH THE CURRENT FENCE THAT'S THERE AND WITH SOME KEY OR CARD ENTRY SYSTEM SO THAT WAY, ONLY THE BOAT OWNER CAN GET IN AND OUT.
IT'S NOT JUST AN OPEN SLIP THAT ANYONE CAN GET IN BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, ANYONE COULD PARK IN IT AND USE IT AND COME INTO THE RESTAURANT.
I DON'T THINK I'M GOING TO DO THE THIRD CONDITION.
THE NEXT THING I HAVE IS THE LOW PROFILE BIKE RACK.
THE ONE THAT'S SUGGESTED IS A VERY LOW PROFILE.
I'VE FOUND THAT PEOPLE TEND TO TRIP ON THAT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE IT, IT'S BLACK, AND IT'S IN A VERY HIGH TRAFFIC AREA AND SO JUST MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO GET SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE HIGH PROFILE, AND YOU CAN GET ALL KINDS OF BEAUTIFUL DECORATIVE THINGS THERE BUT I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT JUST FOR A SAFETY FEATURE.
I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU AS THE APPLICANT TO PUTTING IN THOSE TWO EASEMENTS ACROSS YOUR PROPERTY.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DON.
>> YES. OBVIOUSLY, YOU GUYS HAVE LISTENED TO WHAT STAFF HAS SAID.
WE MADE A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS UPON WHAT YOU ORIGINALLY HAD.
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I THINK WE WENT FROM A FIVE STORY TO A TWO STORY.WE GOT THE FRONTAGE OUT ON THE ROAD LIKE WE ASKED FOR.
WITH REGARDS TO THE SLIPS, AT ONE TIME WE WERE TALKING ABOUT LETTING PEOPLE COME TO THE RESTAURANT USE THOSE SLIPS OR WAS IT JUST.
>> NO, THERE HAS NEVER BEEN. NO AT THIS.
ONE OF THE HOMEOWNERS, I THINK MR. HUFFMAN MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT HE WASN'T REALLY OPPOSED TO THE MARINA, BUT HE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS PRIVATE FOR PRIVATE USE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IT WITH.
WILL IT BE ANY BOAT LIFTS ALLOWED TO BE INSTALLED THERE OR NOT?
>> I DON'T KNOW. THERE'S NONE PROPOSED.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF YOU CAN DO BOAT SLITS, BE A QUESTION MAYBE FOR BOAT LIFTS.
ARE THOSE PERMITTED? IT'S NOT PROPOSED ON THIS PLAN, BUT I GUESS THAT WOULD BE LATER ON OR SOMETHING LATER ON.
>> I REALLY FEEL STRONGLY STICK WITH WHAT THE STAFF HAS SAID ON THE 35 FOOT BOAT LENGTH, BEING A BOAT OWNER MYSELF, THERE'S A TREMENDOUS DIFFERENCE.
THERE CAN BE A TREMENDOUS DIFFERENCE AND JUST FIVE FEET ABOUT THE CONFIGURATION OF THE BOAT, I FEEL GOOD WITH THAT PROPOSAL.
I LIKE THE CONDITION ABOUT NO LIVER BOARDS ON THERE.
THAT SHOULD BE SOMEWHERE IN THE VERBIAGE OF THIS SO THAT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN AND SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN.
LET'S SEE AS FAR AS YOU HAVE SOME LARGE BOATS DOWN THERE ALREADY.
I NOTICED I WENT TO GOOGLE EARTH AND I SAW THERE WAS 175 FOOT BOAT IN THERE.
YOU CAN MEASURE IT, YOU KNOW, AND YOU MEASURE THE VERY BIG.
THERE'S SOME BIG BOATS IN THERE, AND I'M GLAD THAT IT'S JUST GOING TO BE RENTED OUT AND NOT PEOPLE COMING DOWN THERE.
ONE RESIDENT, AS WE MENTIONED, PUT HAVING A NO WAKE ZONE SIGN IN THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT TO MAKE A SPECIAL REQUIREMENT FOR THIS BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY DESIGNATED A NO WAKE ZONE SO IF WE DO THIS, WE MIGHT HAVE TO DO IT FOR OTHERS.
I GUESS I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH NOT HAVING THAT IN THERE.
THAT'S SUBJECT TO DISCUSSION, I GUESS.
I'M NOT HARD OVER ON THE FACILITY BEING LOCKED AND THE MARINA BEING LOCKED IN CORDONED OFF OR ANYTHING.
WE CAN DISCUSS THAT AMONGST OURSELVES, BUT I'M NOT SO HARD OVER ON THAT BUT LET'S SEE.
I LIKE ALL THE AMENDMENTS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE MADE, AND I THINK YOU'VE DONE A GOOD JOB.
ALSO, THERE IS SOMETHING IN THERE ABOUT NO WORK BEING DONE ON THE BOAT, TOO.
IS THAT NO WORKERS BEING ALLOWED TO WORK ON THE BOAT? OBVIOUSLY, FOR CLEANING PURPOSES, YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT, BUT AS FAR AS MECHANICAL.
>> WE TALKED ABOUT THAT TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT.
WE'VE TALKED A LOT OF DIFFERENT BOAT PLACES AROUND.
THE PROBLEM IS YOU REALLY CAN'T SAY YOU CAN'T WORK IN YOUR BOAT BECAUSE THEY SAY WHAT IF THE BATTERY IS TOTALLY DEAD OR IGNITION IS THEY CAN'T EVEN START TO GO ANYWHERE.
>> SOMETHING SMALL. THEY'VE GOT TO COME OUT AND DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
>> NO MAJOR WORK IS GOING TO BE HAPPENING.
>> ALL RIGHT. WITH REGARDS TO THE LIQUOR LICENSE, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT YOU DIDN'T MODIFY THE HOURS, IS THAT RIGHT THAT YOU HAD BEFORE? I THINK THE NEIGHBORS WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, AND I THINK YOU LIMITED SKILL BACK THE HOURS, IS THAT RIGHT?
>> THE LAST PERSON SEATED AT 9, NOBODY SITTING OUTSIDE AFTER 10:00.
>> AS A RESULT OF THE PARKING CONCERNS, THEY SCALED DOWN THE SIZE OF THE BUILDINGS, SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE AS MUCH TRAFFIC.
I KNOW THE COMMUNITY WAS WORRIED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC SINCE YOU'RE HAVING A SMALLER BUILDING AND EVERYTHING, YOU WON'T BE HAVING AS MUCH TRAFFIC, IS THAT RIGHT?
>> CORRECT. IT'S ONLY AGAIN, ONE WAY IN ON JUPITER, WE'RE HOPING THAT THE A1 ENTRANCE IS THE MAIN ENTRANCE USED IN AND OUT OF THE PROJECT.
>> WELL, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH ALL THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE STAFF HAS PUT ON, AND I'D LIKE TO IN MY OBSERVATION, HAVE TO NO LIVER BOARDS ON THERE ALSO.
>> THANKS, COMMISSIONER. I'LL GO AND ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
I'M HAVING TROUBLE VISUALIZING THE BOAT LENGTH IN THE CANAL.
DO YOU ALL I GUESS, TRY THIS FOR YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING SCALE THAT SHOWS A 35 FOOT BOAT IN THE BERTH AND HOW THEY WOULD TURN AROUND? [OVERLAPPING]
>> YEAH. ON THE GRAPHICS, YOU CAN'T SEE IT BUT ON THE HARD PLANS THAT YOU HAVE, THE ACTUAL SLIPS ARE 30 FEET IN LENGTH.
WE THEN HAVE 76 FEET FROM THE END OF OUR SLIP TO THE BULKHEAD ACROSS THE CANAL.
WE'VE GOT 76 FEET OF LENGTH, AND THEN WE HAVE 17.35 FEET IN WIDTH BETWEEN AS FAR AS ROOM ALLOWED TO GET IN THERE.
TYPICALLY A 40 FOOT BOAT IS ABOUT 11.5 FOOT WIDE BOAT.
THERE'S TONS OF WIDTH AND TONS OF LENGTH, THERE'S PLENTY OF ABILITY THERE.
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THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION, AT LEAST AS I READ THROUGH THIS REGARDING NOTICES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
CAN YOU HELP US UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS THE PROCESS? HOW LONG AGO DID THAT HAPPEN? WE WERE THE MEETINGS? WERE THERE ANY SUBSEQUENT COMMUNICATION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH REVISED PLANS?
>> YES. I HAD PULLED UP THAT INFORMATION TODAY ACTUALLY BECAUSE I SAW THAT HAD COME UP.
IT'S FUNNY IT STARTED ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
IN AUGUST, ACTUALLY DON HARING'S OFFICE INITIATED AND TOOK PART IN THIS, BUT FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER'S OFFICE, THEY GOT THE MAPS AND I DON'T THINK IF I'VE GOT THEM ONE SECOND.
I CAN SHOW YOU ACTUALLY WHAT WE HAD GOTTEN FROM THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE.
WE HAVE ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS, AND THEY GIVE US THE RADIUS MAP AND THEN WE HAD ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS ON OLD JUPITER BEACH ROAD, AND AS WELL AS EGANFUSKEE, AND LETTERS WERE SENT TO EACH AND EVERY SINGLE HOMEOWNER ON OLD JUPITER BEACH ROAD AND EGANFUSKEE, AS WELL AND THOSE WERE SENT OUT IN AUGUST.
THEN WE BASICALLY HAD MEETINGS AT THE GENERATION CHURCH, WHICH IS ON CENTER STREET BECAUSE WE WERE EXPECTING LARGER CROWD.
WE HAD SCHEDULED FOR TWO SEPARATE MEETINGS, ONE ON SEPTEMBER 5TH, ONE ON OCTOBER 3RD.
THAT WAS IN '23 BUT ON THE ON THE FIRST MEETING FOR OCTOBER 5TH, WHICH WAS FOR OLD JUPITER BEACH ROAD, WE HAD 12 RESIDENTS SHOW UP TO THAT MEETING AND THEN ON OCTOBER 3, WE ONLY HAD THREE RESIDENTS SHOW UP FOR EGANFUSKEE BUT AGAIN, EVERYONE WAS INVITED, THE LETTERS WERE MAILED TO EACH RESIDENT BASED ON THAT ON THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S INFORMATION.
>> THERE'S ALSO I'M ASSUMING A SIGN POSTED THERE AS WE SPEAK.
>> THERE WAS SOMETHING IN THIS LETTER FROM THE OWNER ABOUT FILTRATION SYSTEM, UNDER WATER QUALITY BENEFITS, IT SAID ADVANCED FILTRATION SYSTEMS TO MANAGE RUNOFF?
>> PROBABLY FROM THE SYSTEM THAT THE TOWN PUT IN FROM COMING ACROSS OLD DIXIE.
JUNEAU STREET, IT COMES IN AND THEY GAVE THEM AN EASEMENT TO ACCESS AND DUMP INTO THE CANAL AND THAT'S THE DRAINAGE WATER COMING FROM JUNEAU STREET, BUT IT IS FILTERED BEFORE IT DUMPS INTO THE CANAL.
>> BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU ALL ARE DOING AS WELL.
>> WE DID NOT ALL DO THAT, NO. THE EASEMENT WAS PROVIDED TO THE TOWN.
>> THE EASEMENT, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE FILTRATION?
THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR BOTH TOWN STAFF AND THE APPLICANT.
I'M CURIOUS IF THERE'S ANY REPRESENTATIVE EXAMPLES OF THE IMPACT ON ADJACENT PROPERTY VALUES WHEN SOMEONE DOES A MARINA LIKE THIS OR A RESTAURANT.
IF IT ENHANCES VALUES, IF IT SOMETIMES REDUCES VALUES, IS THERE ANY?
>> NO. WE DIDN'T REALLY LOOK INTO THAT.
I CAN IMAGINE IT CAN GO EITHER WAY.
>> I JUST WAS CURIOUS SINCE IT'S ONE OF THE CRITERIA.
>> I CAN SAY THE CLEANING UP OF THE PROPERTY THAT HAPPENED AT THE REQUEST OF THE TOWN WAS DEFINITELY AN ENHANCEMENT OF VALUE.
>> SURE. NO, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT.
>> I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THAT WASN'T A REQUEST OF THE TOWN DURING DISCUSSIONS BASED ON THE CONDITION OF THE TRAILER PARK AND STUFF LIKE THAT BUT IT WAS NOT A REQUEST.
THE APPLICANT DID DO THAT AND DECIDED TO CLEAN UP THAT PROPERTY.
VOLUNTARILY. YEAH. VERY GOOD, COMMISSIONER GEISINGER.
>> CAN YOU HEAR ME? NOW, CAN YOU? THIS IS DIFFERENT.
JUST A COUPLE COMMENTS AND A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
ONE, I APPRECIATE THE TOWN WORKING TOGETHER I THINK TO IMPROVE THIS PROJECT.
I THINK IT WILL GO A LONG WAY TO IMPROVE THE AREA FOR THE RESIDENTS OF JUPITER.
I DO AGREE WITH THE CONDITION OF NO LIVER BOARDS ON THE DOCK BOATS, AND ALSO LIKE MR. KELSO, WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO ENFORCE THE DRIVE UP TO THIS DOCK SO THAT WE HAVE FOLKS THAT AREN'T LEASING THE DOCKS OR RENTING THEM, HAVE NO WAYS TO GET UP THERE, TO DOCK THEIR BOAT, AND ENJOY THE RESTAURANTS, SO I'D LIKE TO SEE HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE ENFORCED.
ALSO, RELATIVE, I KNOW MADE A COMMENT ABOUT THERE'S NO WAKE SIGNS ALREADY CANAL AND EVERYTHING BY PALM BEACH COUNTY.
IS THERE A WAY WE COULD ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE ON THE DOCK REMIND BOATERS GOING IN AND OUT THAT THERE'S NO WAKE, AT LEAST WHEN THEY'RE LEAVING.
SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT.
>> QUESTION TO THE STAFF, ON THE BOAT LENGTH.
I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE SWITCHED FROM LENGTH AT THE WATER LINE VERSUS LENGTH OVERALL.
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IS THERE ANY REQUIREMENT TO CHANGE ANY POLICIES OR PROCEDURES, USE THAT DEFINITION IN THE FUTURE, OR WE'RE GOOD WAY IT IS?>> IT'S PURSUANT TO INDIVIDUAL CONDITIONS BECAUSE THE MARINAS ARE APPROVED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
RELATIVE TO THE SITE PLAN ON DRAWING TWO, MR. HOLY, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THE MARINA LOADING AREA IS?
>> YEAH, THAT WAS A REQUEST FROM STAFF, BUT ESSENTIALLY, THAT IS FOR PEOPLE WHO COME TO THE MARINA AND THEY HAVE THOSE CARTS WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO UNLOAD THEIR COOLERS AND THEIR BAGS AND ALL THEIR GOODIES.
THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IT IN THE CART AND THEY'RE GOING TO ROLL IT OUT TO THE BOAT.
>> IT'S A STAGING, THEN THEY'LL GO TO PARKS.
>> NICE CLOSED SPOT BY THE MARINA.
>> ALL RIGHT. QUESTION FOR STAFF.
UNDER YOUR STAFF ANALYSIS ON PAGE 1-15, YOU MAKE A STATEMENT PROVIDE A SAFE SITE CORNER CLIP EASEMENT FOR A 30 BY 30 FOOT SITE TRIANGLE AT THE INTERSECTION OF OLD JUPITER BEACH ROAD AND NORTH WALDRON A 1A.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN ENGLISH?
>> THAT JUST MEANS YOU CAN'T PUT ANYTHING THAT WILL OBSTRUCT THE VEHICLE'S VIEW IN THAT.
YOU CAN HAVE LOW LANDSCAPING OR A LOW SIGN BELOW TWO FEET OR SOMETHING, BUT WITHIN THAT SITE WINDOW, YOU CAN'T PUT ANYTHING IN THERE.
THERE'S A TRIANGLE AT THE INTERSECTION WHERE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CLEAR VIEW SO THAT TRAFFIC CAN SEE.
>> NOTHING WILL BE PLANTED THERE THEN, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?
>> LOW STUFF CAN BE PLANTED, ACTUALLY EVEN HIGH STUFF TREES OVER THE TOP, BUT THERE HAS TO BE THAT BASICALLY CAR LEVEL.
>> THAT HAS TO BE MAINTAINED FOR THAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.
>> WE DO SHOW THAT ON THE PLAN.
IT'S HARD TO SEE, THERE'S A DASH LINE THAT'S ON THAT SOUTHWEST CORNER.
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE TALKING THE SAME THING HERE.
IN THE LAST QUESTION, THIS WAS AN OBSERVATION.
I LIKE THE FACT THAT THE ENTRANCE IS EITHER ALTERNATE A1A OR OFF OLD TROOPER BEACH ROAD, AND THE EXIT IS ALL ON NORTH ALTERNATE A1A.
BUT A QUESTION. I KNOW SOME OF THE RESIDENTS ALONG THERE, PARTICULARLY ON THE EGAN FUKSI HAVE CONCERN ABOUT BEING ABLE TO CROSS ALTERNATE A1A PARTICULARLY WITH THE TRAFFIC BACKED UP AT CENTER STREET.
I NOTICED THAT THE TOWN TRAFFIC ENGINEER HAS INSTALLED SIGNS WHERE IT SAYS, DO NOT BLOCK INTERSECTION AND IT'S MAKING AN ATTEMPT AT CROSS HATCHING WITH THAT INTERSECTION WOULD BE WITH WHITE PAINT.
CAN'T SEE IT. IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS AIR DRIVE AND ORBIT LOOKED DOWN, YOU WOULD NOT SEE IT.
I JUST WONDER IF THAT COULD BE ENHANCED A LITTLE BIT BY THE TOWN, MAYBE ADD A LITTLE BETTER MITIGATION FOR BLOCKING THAT INTERSECTION ON HIGH TRAFFIC TIMES.
>> WE CAN PASS ALONG THAT REQUEST.
>> IF YOU WOULD, I'D APPRECIATE IT.
I THINK IT MIGHT DEVIATE SOME OF THE CONCERNS SOME OF THE RESIDENTS HAD ON ASKING EGANFUSKEE TO GET ONTO ALTERNATE A1A GOING SOUTH.
THAT'S THE LAST OF MY QUESTIONS.
>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER VINSON.
WHAT PART OF THE CANAL ARE YOU DREDGING? JUST BY THE MARINA?
>> LET ME JUST VERIFY WITH OUR MARINA DESIGNER IS HERE.
JUST THE FRONT ON THE PROPERTY? I ANSWER CORRECTLY. THE FRONT OF THE COMMERCIAL PARCEL, AND THEN ALSO THERE'S A RESIDENTIAL SLIVER THERE TO THE EAST FRONT OF THAT PARCEL AS WELL.
THEY'LL BE DREDGING ALL OF THAT.
ON THIS PLANE, YOU CAN SEE IT WILL BE IN THIS AREA HERE AS WELL.
>> OKAY. THE AREA AT THE END WHERE THE CANAL ENDS, ARE YOU JUST LANDSCAPING THAT SIDE THAT'S ON YOUR PROPERTY OR ARE YOU LANDSCAPING ALL THE WAY AROUND THAT? BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THE STREET SIDE, THERE'S A LOT OF OVERGROWTH AND EVERYTHING [OVERLAPPING] YEAH.
I KNOW YOU PLAN ON PUTTING THE ROCKS THERE AND STUFF, BUT IS YOUR PLAN TO THE OTHER SIDE IS OVERGROWN AND LOOKS POOR.
ARE YOU PLANNING ON DOING ANYTHING? I'M JUST SAYING YOU KNOW THE WHOLE CIRCLE LIKE YOU COME DOWN TO THE END AND IT GOES AROUND.
>> WE'RE GOING TO BE CLEARING UP ALL THE EXOTICS, EVERYTHING.
I KNOW IT'S REALLY OVERGROWN, I WAS JUST OUT THERE YESTERDAY IT'S VERY OVERGROWN.
THERE'S A LOT OF MANGROVES ALONG A1A THOSE WILL HAVE TO STAY.
THEN WE'LL BE PLANTING ALONG A1A WE'RE GOING TO KEEP A VISUAL CORRIDOR WHERE THE HISTORICAL SIGN WILL BE SO THAT YOU CAN SEE INTO THE MARINA.
THEN PLANTING AGAIN ALL THE WAY AROUND THE SOUTH SIDE AND AS WELL AS ALONG THE EAST SIDE.
THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF SPACE ON THE EAST SIDE.
>> YOU KNOW WHERE THE, IS IT A PAINT STORE
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OR A FLOOR STORE OR SOMETHING THAT'S ACROSS THE CANAL.PAINT STORE. THAT AREA THERE IS.
>> THEIR PARKING LOT THERE GOES RIGHT UP TO THE.
>> BUT THE BANK PART, IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY STABILIZATION OR ANYTHING DONE TO THAT BANK SO THAT WHEN THE BOATS ARE GOING IN AND GOING AROUND [OVERLAPPING].
>> IT'S A BULK AND IT GOES STRAIGHT DOWN.
>> OKAY. I COULDN'T SEE THAT. IT'S THERE.
I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE SIZE OF THE BOATS BECAUSE WHEN I WAS THERE TODAY AND I LOOKED DOWN THE CANAL, I SAW SOME MIGHTY BIG BOATS SO I DON'T REALLY FEEL LIKE IT SHOULD BE RESTRICTED ON ONE SIDE AND NOT RESTRICTED ON THE OTHER.
IF THE RESIDENTS AREN'T RESTRICTED, THEN I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
ARE YOU PLANNING ON HAVING LIVE ENTERTAINMENT?
>> MY ONLY QUESTION WITH THAT IS ALSO LIKE IN THE FUTURE, IF THAT'S SOLD.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE LIQUOR LICENSE EITHER, BUT IT DOES LEND ITSELF TOWARDS HAVING A LOUDER FACILITY AS OPPOSED TO A QUIETER HEALTHY EATING PLACE.
I UNDERSTAND THE REASON WHY MY ONLY CONCERN WOULD BE THE NOISE FOR NEIGHBORS SO FAR AS LIKE HAVING OUTSIDE BANDS.
THAT WOULD JUST BE A CONCERN FOR THE FUTURE.
IF YOU SOLD IT, IT WOULD BE AN ISSUE.
WHAT IS YOUR PLANNING ON THE OTHER HALF OF THE PROPERTY?
>> ON THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT SIDE.
>> I HAVE NOT HEARD ANY PLANS.
AS I MENTIONED, I THINK LAST MONTH, WE'VE DONE SOME CONCEPTS WITH SOME OUTDOOR PADEL COURTS AND MAYBE A COUPLE OF PICKLEBALL COURTS, BEING MORE OF A RECREATION FACILITY WHERE PEOPLE WOULD PAY AND COME PLAY SOME RECREATIONAL SPORTS.
THEY WOULD HAVE AN OUTDOOR AREA TO COVERED AREA WHERE THEY COULD JUST SIT, HAVE A DRINK PLAY PADEL BALL OR PICKLEBALL.
>> THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT I HAD READ THAT SOMEWHERE.
>> THERE ARE NO PLANS. NONE AT ALL.
>> BUT IS IT GOING TO BE ANY FURTHER BUILDING I GUESS IS MY QUESTION.
IT COULD BE RETAIL ONE OR TWO STORY RETAIL, ONE OR TWO STORY OFFICE. IF YOU CAN PARK IT.
>> I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ABOUT THE ADDED TRAFFIC, THE ADDED PARKING.
>> NOW THAT WOULD ALL HAVE TO COME THROUGH YOU ALL AGAIN.
>> I THINK I THINK THAT THAT'S ALL OF MY QUESTIONS.
>> I'M SO SORRY. YOU'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF TRYING TO FOLLOW WHAT THE TOWN SAYS AND WHAT THE PEOPLE HAVE SAID.
>> YOU CAN'T STOP PROGRESS, AND WE'VE ALREADY STATED NUMEROUS TIMES THAT THE TOWN OF JUPITER HAS BUILT OUT THAT WE NEED MORE BUSINESSES. THANK YOU.
NOW, WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
>> YES. IF I CAN HAVE MR. MATT SPAWSKI, STEP TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
AFTER MR. SPAWSKI, IF WE CAN HAVE KENT EISMAN AFTER HIM.
>> YOU'VE GOT THREE MINUTES EACH.
>> ALL RIGHT. BEFORE MY TIME GETS STARTED, THERE WAS A LOT OF REPRESENTATIONS THAT I DON'T THINK WERE NECESSARILY FULLY CONSISTENT.
I CAME UP HERE WITH A PRESENTATION AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, I HAVE PROBABLY 15 REBUTTALS SO I'M NOT GETTING THAT DONE IN THREE MINUTES.
I'M GOING TO PIN THIS DOWN BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO GET IT THROUGH IT IN THREE MINUTES, BUT AT SOME POINT, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS A LOT OF THE COMMENTS.
FUEL DELIVERIES GET DONE ON THE WATER.
OIL CHANGES GET DONE ON THE WATER.
BOTH HAVE BULGES. MAINTENANCE GETS DONE ON THE WATER IN TERMS OF DETAILING.
THERE'S A LOT AND WHAT MAY BE COMING OR MIGHT BE COMING, WE MIGHT BE GETTING A LIQUOR LICENSE, NO WAIT, WE'RE GETTING A FULL LIQUOR LICENSE THERE'S A LOT MEAT ON THE BONE.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW THAT WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE BECAUSE ONCE THIS GOES, IT'S HERE.
HOW AM I GOING TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THOSE REPRESENTATIONS BEYOND WHAT I WAS PLANNING ON SAYING IN THE THREE MONTHS.
>> WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD WITH YOUR PREPARED REMARKS AND THEN WE'LL SEE HOW THINGS GO FROM THERE, IS THAT RIGHT?
>> ALL RIGHT. PERFECT. MY NAME IS MATT SPAWSKI 109 OLD JUPITER BEACH BROAD, LIVE ON THE CANAL.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS PLAN IS SUPPORTED BY THE LOCAL COMMUNITY, THE NEIGHBORS.
THE SEVEN PEOPLE I TALKED TO WHO LIVE ON THAT CANAL NONE OF THEM WERE AWARE THAT IT WAS A BAR RESTAURANT, MARINA, AND NONE OF THEM SUPPORTED.
FIRST POINT TO ME, ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREA, PRETTY INCREDIBLE AMENITIES, OTTER, SPOTTED EAGLE RACE, LITERALLY SEA TURTLES, EVERY POSSIBLE TYPE OF FISH.
IT'S NOT ACCIDENTAL YOU GUYS AS A CITY HAVE PURCHASED THE SPOIL ISLANDS, DEVELOPED PARKS IN THOSE AREAS, AND YOU'VE DONE THINGS ON THOSE SPOIL ISLANDS JUST OUTSIDE OF THIS RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT HAVE CREATED THAT SCENARIO.
THAT BEING SAID, PLACING A 12 STEP MARINA AND A WATERFRONT BAR RESTAURANT ARE GOING TO HAVE
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DIRECT DRAMATIC IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT AND WHAT YOU'VE CREATED.SECOND OBJECTION IS THIS AREA IS A VERY SPECIFICALLY LOW TRAFFIC BOATING AREA.
>> HEY MATT, I MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP YOU.
I'M PRETTY MUCH YOU CAN ASSUME THAT EVERYBODY'S READ YOUR LETTER SO YOU MAY WANT TO ADDRESS ITEMS YOU HAVEN'T ADDRESSED IN THE CORRESPONDENCE.
>> THEN LET ME JUMP TO MAINTENANCE ON THE BOAT.
NUMBER ONE, WELL, LET ME JUST GET THROUGH.
SECOND IS GOING TO BE THE IMPACT.
THE FACT THAT EVERYBODY'S USING IT AS A VERY LOW IMPACT AREA.
THE THIRD OBJECTION IS GOING TO BE, THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL CANAL.
ALMOST EVERYONE WHO BOUGHT ON THIS CANAL REALIZED WHAT IT WAS.
YOU'RE NOW SELLING IT, IT'S NOW GOING TO BE A RESTAURANT BAR MARINA AND A 12 MARINA, WHICH COMPLETELY CHANGES THE COMPLEXITY OF IT.
IT'S GOING TO IMPACT OUR VALUES AS WELL.
IT WAS NOT A COMMERCIAL MARINA IT WAS A TRAILER PARK WHERE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE PARKED THEIR BOATS THERE.
I DON'T THINK THERE EVER WAS A COMMERCIAL MARINA THERE.
THAT WASN'T THERE BEFORE IT WAS A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO LIVED IN A TRAILER PARK WHO PUT PVC PIPES IN THE MUD AND CREATED DOCKAGE FOR THEIR BOATS SO THAT WASN'T THERE IT ISN'T THERE.
IT'S A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE CHARACTER AND USE OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
IT'S A RESIDENTIAL CANAL IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE HOURS AND OPERATIONS.
AGAIN, RESIDENTIAL AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC UP AND DOWN THAT CANAL IS GOING TO INCREASE DRAMATICALLY.
THEY'RE NOT MY NEIGHBORS SO IF THEY WANT TO POUND MUSIC COMING UP AND DOWN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, OR THEY WANT TO GO HAVE A GREAT TIME, I HAVE NO ACCOUNTABILITY TO BE LIKE, HEY, YOU GOT TO TURN IT DOWN OR HEY, QUICK COMING IN AT ONE O'CLOCK THUMP IN YOUR MUSIC BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIVE THERE THEY'RE JUST PARKING THEIR BOAT THERE.
THE STATUTE SAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO MEET ALL THE CRITERIA.
I DON'T THINK YOU EVEN MEET THE FIRST THREE.
THEN THERE'S THINGS THAT YOU SPECIFICALLY ARE NOT TO DO TO BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, NUMBERS OF PERSONS USING IT'S GOING TO INCREASE THE ACTIVITY IN THE [INAUDIBLE], NOISE, FLOW OF TRAFFIC.
EVERYBODY I TALKED TO IS AGAINST IT, THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT IT.
IF THIS HAS ANY CHANCE OF ACTUALLY MAKING IT, THEN WE NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING BECAUSE OF THE SEVEN OUT OF THE SEVEN RESPONDED NO, AND THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE THAT DON'T KNOW, AND THAT'S THE REALITY OF IT.
YOU CAN'T TURN A 35 FOOT BOAT AT THE END OF THAT CANAL.
BOATS DON'T MOVE SIDEWAYS UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE SO THIS ISN'T WHAT IT WAS.
IT WASN'T WHAT IT DESIGNED TO BE.
YOU PUT A BAR RESTAURANT AT THE END OF A RESIDENTIAL CANAL, YOU'VE SET A PRECEDENT AND ONCE YOU DO THAT, YOU'RE GOING TO CREATE A PROBLEM, BARS AND RESTAURANTS GET SOLD, PROPERTIES CHANGE HANDS, MISSIONS CHANGE HANDS.
ONCE YOU PUT THAT AT THE END OF OUR CANAL, I COULD END UP WITH TIKI 52 AT THE END OF MY CANAL AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE A POSITIVE.
I READ A LOT MORE, BUT I HAD NO IDEA THAT THE REPRESENTATIONS WERE GOING TO BE WHAT THEY WERE, AND AS A RESULT, IF FOR ANY REASON, THIS IS GOING TO GET APPROVED, I WOULD LIKE A SECONDARY MEETING OR A WAY TO RESPOND TO THOSE.
>> YES. HELLO. MY NAME IS KENT EISMAN.
I LIVE AT 111 OLD JUPITER BEACH ROAD.
I'VE LIVED THERE SINCE WELL, 50 YEARS NOW ON THAT CANAL, AND I'VE BEEN BOATING ON THERE SINCE I WAS A TEENAGER.
I UNDERSTAND THERE IS PROGRESS TO BE MADE AND THINGS MOVE ON.
BUT THE MAIN PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THIS IS THE BULK OF THE PARCELS THAT PEOPLE ARE LIVING, ABOUT 100 FEET ON THE WATER.
NOBODY CAN PARK THEIR BOATS PERPENDICULAR TO THE PROPERTY SO THEY HAVE TO PUT THEM LENGTHWISE.
THE MOST YOU CAN PUT LENGTHWISE IN A 100 FOOT PIECE OF PROPERTY WOULD BE 25 FOOT BOATS, MAYBE A FIVE AND A 40 TO STILL STAY WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF YOUR DOCK AND EVERYTHING.
THE PARCEL DOWN THERE AT THE END OF THE STREET, I'VE BEEN THERE SINCE I WAS A TEENAGER.
THAT WAS NEVER MARINA THAT WAS JUST PEOPLE WHO PUT SOME PILINGS IN, AND IT WAS FISHING PEOPLE WHO RENTED TRAILERS.
THEY PARKED THEIR BOATS THERE AND THE BOATS WOULD COME IN AND OUT THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, HE HA, NOISE IT WAS REALLY A PAIN IN THE NECK AND THEY WOULD COME IN AND THEY PLOW OUR BOATS INTO THE SEAWALL BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T GO SLOW DOWN AND THEY WOULDN'T MAINTAIN THE WAKE ZONE.
WHAT I DON'T THINK IS FAIR IS WE ARE SUBJECTED ON OUR PROPERTY OWNERS AT 100 FEET TO PUT TWO BOATS 35 FOOT LENGTH WISE THERE.
THERE AND THEIR 100 FOOT LENGTHS ARE PUTTING FOUR BOATS IN 100 FEET SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE
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SUCH A HIGH DENSITY OF BOATS DOWN THERE AND THE TRAFFIC WILL BE DRAMATICALLY INCREASED.THIS THING ABOUT 10% OF THE BOATS RUN PER DAY.
WELL, THAT MAY BE GOOD ON A WEEKDAY, BUT THAT DOES NOT FOR LATE TO A WEEKEND WHEN EVERYBODY'S HAVING A GRAND OLD TIME, AND PROBABLY THE BULK OF THE BOATS WILL BE GOING OUT.
PEOPLE DON'T SPEND THAT KIND OF MONEY ON THE BOATS AND THAT MUCH MONEY ON A SLIP NOT TO USE THEM.
BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE SHOWING ALL THESE BOATS TIED UP LIKE THIS.
THEY WERE JUST FISHERMEN JUST JAMMING THEIR BOATS TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY ALL RENTED JUST TRAILERS THERE, AND THAT'S HOW THEY FISHED OUT.
NOW JUST SAY THAT IT'S A GOOD COMPARISON OF WHAT THEY HAD AND WHAT THEY HAVE NOW WITH THE AMOUNT OF 12 BOATS IS NOT THE SAME THING, IT'S APPLES AND ORANGES.
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH MY STATEMENT ON.
I JUST THINK IT'S WAY TOO MANY BOATS FOR THAT AREA.
>> NEXT, IF I CAN HAVE JOE KAMBURG AND AFTER HIM, ANTHONY AGRIAT.
>> I'M READY TO START. HELLO, AND THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THE FLAG WHARF PROJECT.
MY NAME IS JOE KAMBURG, AND I LIVE AT 100 EGANFUSKEE STREET.
I'VE DONE SO FOR ABOUT SEVEN YEARS.
I'VE LIVED IN JUPITER FOR AROUND 17 YEARS.
I'VE PERSONALLY SEEN THE BEFORE, AFTER AND DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS MADE FOR THIS PROPERTY, AS WELL AS ALSO BEING AFFECTED BY THE 30,000 PLUS CARS DIVERTED FROM THE US ONE TO OUR COMMUNITY ENTRANCE ON A1A BECAUSE OF THE BRIDGE CONSTRUCTION.
MY HOUSE IS LOCATED DIRECTLY ADJACENT ACROSS THE CHANNEL FROM THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
I LOOK AT THIS PROPERTY EVERY DAY, AND I ALSO WORK AT INDEX TOGETHER WITH JOHN AND MARIA, MY MOTHER AND FATHER, WHO ALSO LIVE ON THE SAME STREET AS THE PROJECT, OLD JUPITER BEACH ROAD.
WE ALL WANT SOMETHING NICE BUILT HERE, AND THE TEAM HAS BEEN VERY COGNIZANT TO INCLUDE EVERYONE'S FEEDBACK AND FEATURE KNOWLEDGE OF THE PAST IN THE NEW DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK MOST WOULD RECOGNIZE THAT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WOULD INCREASE PROPERTY VALUES AROUND AS IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A LEAKS BETTER THAN THE FORMER DECAYING TRAILER PARK AND COMMERCIAL FISHING MARINA, WHERE I WOULD HEAR POLICE VEHICLES SHOWING UP ALMOST ON A NIGHTLY BASIS.
I ALSO REMEMBER SEEING THE NUMEROUS COMMERCIAL FISHING BOATS THAT WOULD LEAK GAS, SINK NOW AND THEN, AND COME AND GO AT MULTIPLE TIMES THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE DAY AND NIGHT, OFTENTIMES BLASTING MUSIC.
AS A LONG TIME RESIDENT OF BOTH OLD JUPITER BEACH ROAD AND EGANFUSKEE STREET, I RECOGNIZE THE PROPOSED HEALTHY CAFE CONCEPT WILL BE WELCOMED IN ADDITION TO THE COMMUNITY.
I LOOK FORWARD TO FREQUENTING AS WELL AS SEEING THE UPDATE OF MARINA BEING SIGNIFICANTLY CALMER THAN THE FORMER COMMERCIAL FISHING USE.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT KNOWN THAT AS A PERSON THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE MOST DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY ANY DEVELOPMENT ON THIS PROPERTY.
I BELIEVE THIS TO BE ONE OF THE HIGHEST AND BEST USES.
I'M PLEDGING MY SUPPORT AS A DIRECT NEIGHBOR FOR THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND SEE IT AS A BENEFIT TO THE LARGER COMMUNITY.
I LOOK FORWARD TO THIS DEVELOPMENT BECOMING ANOTHER JUPITER STAPLE THAT WE CAN ALL BE PROUD OF BUILT BY JUPITER LOCALS, FOR LOCALS AND VISITORS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND I HOPE YOU VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND HAVE A GREAT EVENING.
>> NEXT TO IF I CAN HAVE, MR. GRANT.
>> I THINK SHE WAS CALLING FOR ME.
I LIVE IN 207 OLD JUPITER BEACH ROAD.
I THANK TOWN STAFF FOR DOING SOME GOOD DUE DILIGENCE ON THIS PROJECT.
THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT THEY MAY HAVE OVERLOOKED A LITTLE BIT.
WHEN YOU HAVE A MARINA AND YOU HAVE BOATS COMING IN FROM OFFSHORE AND OTHER PLACES, ESPECIALLY BOATS OF SIZE, OUR SON IS IN THE MARINE INDUSTRY.
HE WORKS ON THESE BOATS AND DOES A LOT OF NEW BOATS IN THIS CLASS AND EVEN LARGER.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS A MUST FOR THIS TYPE OF OPERATION IS OUR BOAT LIFTS.
PEOPLE WHO ARE SPENDING CLOSE TO $1 MILLION ON A CENTER CONSOLE BOAT THAT'LL PARK IN THESE TYPES OF SLIPS.
THEY WILL DEFINITELY WANT AND DEMAND TO HAVE BOAT LIFTS.
ALSO ANOTHER ISSUE IS THE SANITARY SYSTEMS. A LOT OF MARINAS HAVE THE ABILITY FOR PUMP OUTS, AND ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IN MARINAS IS THAT PEOPLE GO OFFSHORE, THEY COME BACK IN, THEY FORGET TO PUMP OUT WHEN THEY'RE OFFSHORE, OR THEY GET BACK TO THE MARINA AND THEY DON'T WANT TO LEAVE THE BOAT FULL OF GRAY WATER, SO THEY'LL PUMP IT OUT AT THE MARINA.
IF THERE'S NOT A FACILITY OR SOME DEVICE TO TAKE CARE OF THAT, THEN THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
WE'VE BEEN ON THAT CANAL FOR 38 YEARS AND WE'VE SWAM IN THE CANAL AND BOAT IN THE CANAL AND OUR KIDS AND GRANDKIDS AND I JUST WANT YOU TO KEEP IN MIND AS YOU MAKE YOUR DECISIONS THAT THIS IS AN AREA WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY WITH KAYAKS AND PADDLE BOATS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
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AS MENTIONED BEFORE, THERE'S A LOT OF WILDLIFE IN THE AREA, INCLUDING ENTITIES THAT ARE ESPECIALLY THERE IN THE WINTERTIME.THIS ACTIVITY WILL AFFECT OUR ENVIRONMENT IN THAT AREA.
BUT AS HAS BEEN SAID ALSO, THIS IS GOING TO BE A BIG IMPROVEMENT OVER BELL'S TRAILER PARK AND HAVING THE LOCAL FISHING FLEET IN THE CANAL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND I APPRECIATE YOU AND WHAT YOU DO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> NEXT, IF I CAN HAVE MR. ANDY SIMMONS, THEN AFTER MR. SIMMONS, WE CAN HAVE DONALDSON HEARING.
I'VE BEEN IN THE MARINE INDUSTRY FOR THE LAST 25, LARGEST MANUFACTURER AND RETAILER OF CENTER CONSOLE BOATS OVER 40 FEET IN THE WORLD.
BIG PROBLEM I'VE HAD IN THIS AREA.
OBVIOUSLY, SELLING AND HELPING PEOPLE GET INTO BOATING THAT CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE ON THE WATER IS SOMEWHERE TO KEEP A BOAT OVER 40 FEET.
FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S SEVERAL MARINAS HERE IN TOWN THAT HAVE OVER A THREE YEAR WAIT LIST IF YOU HAVE A CENTER CONSOLE BOAT OVER 40 FEET.
THAT DIRECTLY AFFECTS YOUR ABILITY.
IF YOU HAVE A BOAT THAT'S 35 FEET, I CAN FIND YOU SLIP IN 5 MINUTES. THAT'S A HUGE ISSUE.
ONE OF THE THINGS I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE SECURITY OF THE GATE, BUT WITH BOAT LIFTS BEING IN PLACE THAT REALLY ELIMINATES THE ABILITY FOR SOMEBODY TO PULL INTO YOUR SLIP.
WHEN YOU PULL OUT, YOU PRESS A BUTTON AUTOMATICALLY COMES UP, SO I COMPLETELY BLOCKS THE ABILITY FOR SOMEBODY TO GET INTO THAT SLIP.
I CAN TELL YOU I'VE BEEN DOWN THAT CANAL IN A 53 FOOT CENTER CONSOLE.
I CAN SPIN IT AROUND 10 TIMES.
I CAN TAKE A 65 FOOT THERE TOMORROW AND DO IT.
IT'S JUST A MAJOR SHORTAGE OF AVAILABILITY IN THIS TOWN.
IT'S LIKE NOT BEING ABLE TO FIND AN APARTMENT.
IF BOATING IS YOUR PASSION, IT'S A HUGE NEED AND IT'S BEEN A PERSONAL STRUGGLE OF MINE FOR YEARS, JUST TRYING TO GET PEOPLE INTO THOSE LARGER BOATS WITH THEIR FAMILIES AND JUST HAVING NOWHERE TO PUT THEM.
I OWN SEVERAL MARINAS OUTSIDE OF JUPITER AS WELL, AND 12 BOAT LIFTS IS NOT A MARINA.
IT'S JUST SIMPLY SOME ADDITIONAL INCOME FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER AND A MAJOR BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY.
YOU'RE NOT FUELING I CAN TELL YOU, WE DON'T DO SERVICE WORK.
I'VE GOT 100 SERVICE TECHNICIANS.
WE DON'T DO SERVICE WORK IN PLACES LIKE THAT.
ON A BOAT LIFT, YOU'RE LUCKY TO GET ENGINES JUMP STARTED, FIX A SMALL ISSUE, AND THEN TAKE IT TO A SERVICE CENTER.
I REALLY DON'T SEE ANY NEGATIVE EFFECT WITH THAT.
YOU DRIVE BY IT RIGHT NOW AND JUST TRY TO IMAGINE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
IT'S BIG IMPROVEMENT. THANK YOU GUYS.
>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DON HARING, 113 ELSA ROAD, JUPITER, FLORIDA, AND GLAD TO SEE ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS HERE TODAY.
JUST A FEW THINGS I AGREE IT'S HARD TO CALL 12 SLIPS OF MARINA.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE IS THAT THE TOWN OF JUPITER HAS A SIGNIFICANT LOSS OF MARINE SLIPS OVER THE LAST DECADE.
I USED TO BE SEA SPORT MARINA.
WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A SINGLE DRY STORAGE IN AND OUT FACILITY IN THE TOWN OF JUPITER.
THE PROPOSED 12 SLIPS REALLY IS A GREAT BENEFIT TO THE NEIGHBORS TO THE COMMUNITY.
ANYONE WHO IS LIVING IN A DRY LOT OVER IN THAT AREA COULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A LIFT OR A WET SLIP, AND IT WOULD BE A GREAT ASSET TO THE OVERALL COMMUNITY.
I'VE LIVED IN JUPITER FOR 55 YEARS, I'VE LIVED ON ELSA ROAD FOR OVER 20 YEARS.
I'VE BEEN IN THE AREA FOR A LONG TIME AND I WAS VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE BELL'S MOBILE HOME PARK.
IT WASN'T SAFE, AND THOSE BOATS WENT IN AND OUT EVERY SINGLE DAY.
EVERY SINGLE TWO, THREE TIMES A DAY, AND THEY WERE TRANSIENT.
THESE PEOPLE WOULD HAUL THEIR BOATS IN DURING KINGFISH SEASON FROM SOME OTHER PART OF FLORIDA OR SOME OTHER PART OF THE COUNTRY AND THEY WOULD FISH.
THE BORGS DID AN AMAZING JOB, VERY CAREFULLY RELOCATING ALL THE RESIDENTS OUT OF THOSE TRAILERS THAT WERE THERE AND CLEANING THAT SITE UP, WHICH WAS REALLY VERY MUCH SO IN ENVIRONMENTAL.
CERTAINLY NOT ANYTHING THAT WAS HELPING OUR ENVIRONMENT THAT'S THERE TODAY.
I HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH INDEX ON MANY PROJECTS OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS.
WHAT I WILL TELL YOU IS THEY DO ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING THEY SAY, AND THEY DO ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING WITH EXCELLENCE.
LOOK AT 1,000 NORTH, LOOK AT ANY OF THE PROJECTS THAT THEY'VE EVER DONE.
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THEY'RE ALL DONE WITH EXCELLENCE, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE OPPORTUNITY TO WALK FROM MY HOUSE, WALK UP TO A GREAT CAFE, HAVE SOMETHING TO EAT.I CAN WALK TO DUN DOG TODAY, BUT MY CARDIOLOGIST ONLY ALLOWS ME TO GO ONCE OR TWICE A YEAR.
WHAT IS PROPOSED IS LITERALLY FARMING.
I AM A PROFESSIONAL PLANNER, AND I REVIEWED THE APPLICATION.
IT'S 100% CONSISTENT WITH THE TOWN'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE ROA, AS POINTED OUT BY YOUR STAFF.
ALL OF THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION CRITERIA IS SATISFIED. I'M AN AVID BOATER.
I BOAT, I'M HEADING TO THE BAHAMAS ON FRIDAY. CAN'T WAIT.
ANTHONY'S SON IS THE BEST ELECTRONIC MARINE GUY IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
BUT I TELL YOU, AS AVID AS A BOATER AS I AM, IF I GO OUT 12 TIMES A YEAR, THAT'S A LOT.
I LOOK I'M ON THE WATER ON SUFIS BAY THERE.
MY NEIGHBORS DON'T GO OUT THAT MUCH.
MOST OF THOSE BOATS SIT THERE.
IF PEOPLE USE THEIR BOAT ON AVERAGE OF ONE TIME A MONTH, THAT'S REALLY A LOT FROM WHAT WE SEE WITHIN THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
I THINK IT BENEFITS JUPITER, AND I THINK IT'S ALL ABOUT JUPITER AND IT BENEFITS ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS.
I PRAY THAT YOU WOULD SUPPORT IT, AND 40 FOOT IS REALLY WHAT'S APPROPRIATE.
WITH 35 FEET WOULD MAKE THIS FUNCTIONALLY OBSOLETE.
THESE ARE OPEN FISHERMAN CLASS BOATS.
THEY'RE NOT LOOKING TO BRING BIKING SUPPORT FISHERMEN IN THERE.
PLEASE HELP THEM MAKE THIS VIABLE.
>> NEXT, IF I CAN HAVE MICHELLE DE POTTER AND AFTER HER, JA DE POTTER.
>> HI, GOOD EVENING. FOR THE RECORD, MICHELLE DE POTTER 102 EGANFUSKEE STREET, JUPITER.
IF I MIGHT JUST HAVE A QUICK PERSONAL POINT OF PRIVILEGE REGARDING THAT DON'T BLOCK THE BOX.
I FACILITATED THAT DISCUSSION AND IMPLEMENTATION, AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE YELLOW.
THAT WAS WITH FDO AND THE APPROPRIATE COMMISSION.
I'M HAPPY TO GO BACK AND TRY AND IMPROVE THAT ON EGANFUSKEE.
ANYWAY, I FELT COMPELLED TO TESTIFY TONIGHT AS A FULL TIME RESIDENT AND PROPERTY OWNER DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT DECISIONS BEFORE YOU HERE TONIGHT.
OUR HOME IS LOCATED ON THE CANAL WITH 100 FEET OF WATERFRONT AND IS THE FOURTH PROPERTY IN THE SECOND RESIDENTIAL HOME, AND FACE ON EGANFUSKEE AND FACES BOTH THE COMMERCIAL PORTION DIAGONALLY THERE AND HEAD ON ON THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION THAT THE APPLICANT HAS BEFORE YOU.
I SUPPORT THE APPROVAL OF THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION AND SITE PLAN APPLICATIONS.
THIS WILL ALLOW THE PROJECT TO PROCEED TO THE TOWN COUNCIL WITH THE HOPE OF BRINGING A WELL VETTED, THOUGHTFUL DEVELOPMENT PROJECT TO FRUITION.
I THINK YOU ALL AGREE OF THE TOWN AND THE APPLICANT WORKING TOGETHER EXHAUSTIVELY, I MIGHT ADD, AND THE BEST INTERESTS OF JUPITER AND OUR COMMUNITY.
WHEN WE PURCHASED OUR HOME 16 YEARS AGO, THE CANAL WAS VIBRANT.
IT WAS BUSTLING WITH COMMERCIAL AND RECREATIONAL BOATS.
HOWEVER, ALSO A RUNDOWN MOBILE HOME SITE.
THANKFULLY, I BELIEVE IT WAS SEVEN YEARS AGO. DON'T QUOTE ME ON THAT.
THE APPLICANTS RESIDENTS THEMSELVES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, PURCHASE THE PROPERTY, REMOVE THE MOBILE HOMES, WITH THE INTENT, THEIR RIGHT TO IMPROVE THE PROPERTY.
THAT INTENT TO BUILD, I BELIEVE A BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE FOR OUR NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS AND THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
FORTUNATELY, THE APPLICANTS HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN OBTAINING PROPERTY AND REDEVELOPING SUCCESSFUL AND SUSTAINABLE PROPERTIES, NOT ONLY HERE IN JUPITER, BUT THE COUNTY, THE STATE, AND ELSEWHERE.
ALL THE WHILE, THEY'RE BEING THEMSELVES, STELLA RESIDENTS IN THE COMMUNITY AND CONSIDERATE NEIGHBORS TO HEAR US OUT.
I DON'T AGREE THAT THIS PROJECT IS COMPLETELY OPPOSED BY THE NEIGHBORS, AND I'M HAPPY TO TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS ON MY SIDE OF THE CANAL.
AS RESIDENTS THEMSELVES, THEY DO UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY OF JUPITER.
THEY HAVE A WILLINGNESS TO PRESERVE IT.
THEY ARE GREAT LISTENERS, AND THEY HAVE COME UP WITH A PALPABLE PROJECT WITH AESTHETIC CURBSIDE AND CANAL APPEAL.
OVER THE YEARS, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS WITNESSED A DECLINE IN THE VIBRANCY WITH A VACANT LOT FOR YEARS.
THE DEPARTURE OF THOSE FISHING BOATS, COMMERCIAL, I HAPPEN TO LIKE THOSE, AND THE NOISE WITH NO BARRIERS FOR TRAFFIC RIGHT NOW, AND THE PROPERTY CONSISTENTLY AT RISK OF MISUSE BY TRESPASSERS, WHICH I HAVE PERSONALLY WITNESSED ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS TO NO FAULT OF THE APPLICANT THEMSELVES.
HANG ON A SECOND HERE. THE APPLICANTS HAVE MADE CONTINUOUS EFFORTS TO ENGAGE WITH THE TOWN AND THE COMMUNITY TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY IN A WAY THAT ENHANCES THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL RESIDENTS.
AS YOU KNOW, THE DENSITY OF THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN REDUCED SIGNIFICANTLY.
THEIR PROPOSAL INCLUDES A SMALL CAFE, PRIVATE DOCKING MARINA, AND OFFICES ALL DESIGNED WITH A FOCUS ON AESTHETIC APPEAL AND COMMUNITY ACCESS.
THE PROJECT IS NOT ONLY CONSISTENT WITH JUPITER'S HISTORY AND FUEL, BUT ALSO PROMISES TO REVITALIZE THE CANAL AND SURROUNDING AREA
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AND ALL THE WHILE IN DOING SO WITH A KEEN SITE ON ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS, IMPORTANT TO US ALL, WATER QUALITY IMPROVEMENT, REDUCED BOAT TRAFFIC BY THE LIMITATION, THE SIZE OF THE BOATS, AND TYPES, AND MY FAVORITE HABITAT RESTORATION AND WARNING OF THE MANATEES.I LIKE THAT, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, SUSTAINABLE BUILDING ALL ALONG OR WHAT'S GOING TO GO THERE.
REAL QUICK, IN CONVERSATIONS, I'VE HEARD ABOUT TRAFFIC.
SOME OF THOSE FOLKS THAT MAKE THE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT TRAFFIC DIDN'T LIVE HERE YEARS AGO.
IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THERE WERE 40 MOBILE HOME UNITS THERE, COMPLETE WITH RESIDENTS.
THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THE FISHING BOATS COMING AND GOING, THERE WAS TRAFFIC ON OLD JUPITER BEACH ROAD, TRAFFIC AND ALTERNATE A1A, AND I THINK WE'RE ALL UP IN ARMED.
OVER THIS BRIDGE TRAFFIC, WHICH IS NOT PERMANENT.
WE GOT A LITTLE SPOILED WITH NO TRAFFIC GOING UP AND DOWN THAT STREET FOR THOSE FOLKS WHO LIVE OVER THERE.
JUST QUICKLY IN CLOSING, AS RESIDENTS DIRECTLY AFFECTED DIRECTLY ACROSS ON THE PROPERTY, MY HUSBAND, JAY AND I, WE SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.
WE BELIEVE IT WILL SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVE OUR QUALITY OF LIFE, AND YOURS TOO AS WELL AND FOSTER A FURTHER SENSE OF OUR COMMUNITY WITH THAT COMMUNITY CAFE RESTAURANT.
AS DON SAID, WE WALK OUR DOGS THERE, WE RIDE OUR BIKES.
IT'D BE NICE TO STOP THERE AND MAYBE RUN INTO ONE ANOTHER AND MAYBE SOME OF YOU AS WELL AS IT'S OPEN TO THE COMMUNITY.
THE APPLICANTS HAVE WORKED DILIGENTLY WITH THE TOWN INVESTING CONSIDERABLE TIME AND RESOURCES.
I'D IMAGINE IF I HAD TO GUESS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO KEEP COMING UP AND REDESIGNING, GOING BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, SO TO SPEAK.
I THINK IT'S TIME THAT WE SAY YES TO ACTIONS [OVERLAPPING] LIKE THIS ONE IN OUR BACKYARD.
THANK YOU TO THE COMMISSION FOR YOUR STRICT SCRUTINY OF THIS PROJECT AND THE BEST INTERESTS OF ALL OF US WHO LIVE IN JUPITER. THANK YOU.
>> I'M JUST SAYING. [LAUGHTER]
>> THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE QUITE AS POLISHED.
I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN JUPITER.
I'M THE SON OF A COMMERCIAL FISHERMAN.
I AM A WATERMAN IN THIS COMMUNITY.
I HAVE BEEN IN, ON AND UNDER THE WATERWAYS OF THIS COMMUNITY FOR ALMOST 65 YEARS.
MICHELLE AND I BOUGHT ONE OR TWO VEGAN FEST DIRECTLY ACROSS, RIGHT THERE, AND I LOOK AT IT EVERY DAY.
THERE WAS A TRAILER PARKED THERE.
THERE WAS EVEN A SCHOOL BUS THAT HAD A FAMILY LIVING IN IT WITHOUT AN AIR CONDITIONER. THAT WAS ROUGH.
WE BOUGHT, I LOOKED AT THAT AND I WAS ASSURED, OF COURSE, BY MY REALTOR, THAT THAT WAS GOING TO GO AWAY, BECAUSE I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT MY PROPERTY VALUE.
IT TOOK A DECADE FOR IT TO GO AWAY.
THOSE BEEN GONE FOR, LIKE, SEVEN YEARS NOW.
NOW, WHEN I WALK OUT OF MY BACK DOCK, AND I SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON MY BACK DOCK, I HAVE A GREAT BACKYARD, POOL, WATERFALLS, PALM TREES, ALL THAT CRAZY STUFF.
I'M LOOKING AT A DILAPIDATED DOCK.
I NOTICED WHEN YOU GUYS STARTED THIS CONVERSATION, EVERYBODY SAID, "YEAH, I WALKED THE PROPERTY.
I DROVE THE PROPERTY." I DON'T THINK ANY OF YOU WALKED THE DOCK BECAUSE IT'S NOT SAFE.
NO WAY YOU GUYS GOT ON THAT DOCK.
THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT EVERY DAY.
I LIKE TO SEE DIFFERENT BOATS.
I LIKE THAT ACTIVITY. WE'RE BOATERS.
WHY ARE WE TRYING TO STOP WATER MEAN AND BOATERS FROM COMING AROUND? TRYING TO HANDCUFF OURSELVES.
THERE IS A 50-FOOT DINNER BOAT.
IT'S A BIG CATAMARAN, REALLY HIGH, IT COMES UP AND DOWN THAT CANAL ALL THE TIME.
THEY SPIN AROUND IN THAT TURNING BASIN.
NO PROBLEM. IF THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME DREDGING DONE THERE, AND I THINK MY HOUSE MIGHT GET A LITTLE BENEFIT.
ADAM, JUST SAND AND INCREASED TRAFFIC, THAT WILL HELP MOVE THAT WATER BECAUSE IT'S ALL JUST SLUDGE BACK THERE NOW.
YES, THERE'S SNOOK, AND MULLET, AND MANATEES, THERE IS, BUT IT COULD BE BETTER.
MANGROVES, YOU CAN'T KILL THEM ANYWAYS, NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO.
BUT IF THAT WAS BETTER WATER, THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO GET SOME OF THAT STUFF BACK INTO IT.
I THINK THAT I'M READY FOR THIS PROPERTY TO BE DEVELOPED, AND I'M READY FOR MY PROPERTY VALUE TO SEE BENEFITS OF HAVING A GREAT FACILITY RIGHT ACROSS THE CANAL FARM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU. COMMENTS, DELIBERATIONS. CARRIE WE'LL START WITH YOU?
>> I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY TYPE OF
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MARINE RESTORATION OR MONITORING AND QUALITY OF THE WATER? THE GENTLEMAN SAID ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF DUMPING.IS THERE ANY BASELINE QUALITY OF WATER THAT CAN BE MAYBE EVALUATED ON ANNUAL OR BIANNUAL BASIS TO VERIFY THAT IT'S NOT CAUSING DETRIMENT TO THE CREEK AND TO THE HOMEOWNERS?
>> CURRY [INAUDIBLE] FOR THE RECORD, PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, [INAUDIBLE] ENGINEERING ON BEHALF OF INDEX.
AS PART OF OUR APPLICATION TO THE SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, WE HAD TO PROVIDE REASONABLE ASSURANCE THAT STATE WATER QUALITY STANDARDS WOULD NOT BE EXCEEDED.
WE DID A HYDROGRAPHIC STUDY THAT PROVED JUST THAT ON TITLE FLOW ALONE, SO NEGLECTING ANY STORM WATER OR GROUNDWATER INTRUSION OR ANYTHING.
ANY POTENTIAL POLLUTANT THAT ENTERED THE MARINA WOULD BE DISPERSED TO LESS THAN 10% OF ITS ORIGINAL QUANTITY WITHIN LESS THAN FOUR DAYS, WHICH IS THE STATE STANDARD.
THAT SAID, WE'VE DEMONSTRATED WITH REASONABLE ASSURANCE TO THE SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICTS THAT EVEN IF A POLLUTANT DOES ENTER THE MARINA, THAT IT WOULD BE DISPERSED WITHIN THE ALLOWABLE TIME FRAMES.
>> WILL THERE BE CONTINUED WATER MONITORING TO SEE IF ANY TYPE OF BACTERIAL LEVELS BUILD UP OVER TIME DUE TO THE MARINA, BASED ON WHAT THE BASELINE IS NOW?
>> THERE WILL BE TURBIDITY MONITORING DURING CONSTRUCTION, BUT AS FAR AS THE STATE AND FEDERAL AGENCIES ARE CONCERNED, THERE WILL BE NO CONTINUOUS MONITORING.
>> IS THERE ANY WILLING ON THE PART OF THE BUILDER TO DO THAT TO MAKE THE RESIDENTS MORE COMFORTABLE THAT THEY'RE NOT HAVING BACTERIA ENTERED INTO THEIR WATER AND THEIR QUALITY DECREASED?
>> THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
IT'S NOT COMMON. I DON'T I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD ANY OUTSIDE OF EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES.
WE'VE NEVER DONE THAT ON ANOTHER PROJECT WE'VE WORKED ON AS FAR AS I'M AWARE.
>> I'M JUST ASKING IF THERE'S ANYTHING SET IN PLACE TO TRY AND PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING, SINCE THAT'S A CONCERN RAISED UP BY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HAVING TO LIVE ON THAT CREEK.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE FROM THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL.
ONE IS TO PUT IN A BIO SWALE, AND THAT'S ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, AND THERE'S AN OUTFALL THERE.
PRIOR TO OUTFALL, THEY'LL BE FILTERING THE WATER WITH VEGETATION.
THEN ALSO, IN TERMS OF WATER QUALITY, THE TOWN IS OUTFALLING INTO THE CANAL, WHICH WAS RECENTLY DONE.
THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED EASEMENTS FOR BOTH OF THOSE THINGS IN ORDER TO HELP FLOODING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AS WELL AS TO ALLOW THE OUTFALL TO GO THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY FROM THE INDUSTRIAL PARK ACROSS THE WAY.
>> WILL THE TOWN BE MONITORING THE WATER QUALITY?
>> WE CAN VERIFY AND SEE THAT, BUT THEY TYPICALLY AT THEIR OUTFALLS, DO SOME SORT OF WATER QUALITY.
BUT I'LL HAVE TO CHECK WITH THEM AND CAN PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION FOR THE COUNCIL AND WE CAN GIVE YOU AN UPDATE.
>> I THINK THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION OR STATEMENT THAT I HAD BASICALLY, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE A CAFE AND NOT A BAR AND GRILL, AND THAT HAS SEEMED THAT THAT'S CHANGED OVER THE COURSE OF THIS, AND SO I SEE WHERE THAT MAY BE SOME CONCERNS WITH PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO LIVE THEY'RE LIVING NEXT TO UTK, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.
THAT'S MY CONCERN. IT WAS ABOUT THE LIVE MUSIC AND THE FACT THAT IT'S A FULL LIQUOR LICENSE, AND BECOMING A BAR AND NOT A HEALTH CAFE BECAUSE A CAFE IS ONE THING IN A BAR IS ANOTHER.
>> YOU GOT TO GET THIS BUTTON RIGHT.
AGAIN, I APPRECIATE WHAT EVERYBODY'S DONE HERE BETWEEN BOTH THE STAFF AND ALSO THE APPLICANT AS FAR AS I THINK MEETING A MUTUAL CONSENSUS ON THIS PROPERTY.
I LIKE THE FACT THAT THE APPLICANT ACCEPTED ALL THE TOWN'S CONDITIONS, BUT I'D LIKE TO AMEND THOSE CONDITIONS BY ALLOWING BOATS UP TO 40 FOOT MAX LENGTH TO BE DOCKED.
I THINK A COMMENT WAS MADE THAT NO LIVEABOARDS TO BE ALLOWED ON THE DOCK BOATS,
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AND I THINK THE APPLICANTS NEED TO ADD LOCK GATES OR OTHER METHODS TO PROHIBIT UNAUTHORIZED USE OF THE BOAT SLIPS, AND ADDITIONAL DOCK SIGNS OR MINING BOATERS OF NO WAKE ZONE, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS WHEN EXITING THE MARINA AREA.THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENTS RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU.
>> I APPRECIATE THE RESIDENTS COMING OUT AND SPEAKING.
YOU BROUGHT UP SOME THINGS AND OBSERVATIONS THAT WE WEREN'T AWARE OF, AND AS A RESULT OF YOUR TESTIMONY AND YOUR TESTIMONY, I CAN UNDERSTAND BOTH SIDES OF THE POINT, AND BASED ON WHAT I'VE HEARD, I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED WHEN YOU FIRST TALKED, BUT I LISTENED TO THE OTHER FOLKS HERE AND I THINK THE BENEFITS OUTWEIGH THE DETRIMENTS FOR THIS PROJECT.
SOONER OR LATER THERE'S PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED, AND SOONER OR LATER, SOMEBODY'S GOING TO COME IN HERE AND WANT TO PUT BOAT SLIPS IN HERE AND IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HOW IT'S GOING TO BE DONE.
I THINK THAT THE WAY IT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE IS VERY GOOD, AND I THINK THE STAFF HAS LISTENED TO WHAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE SAID AND OTHERS, AND I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS GONE BACK AND REVISED IT, AND I WILL JUST BECAUSE I CAN'T GET A 35, 40 FOOT BOAT IN THERE DOESN'T MEAN ANYBODY ELSE CAN'T, SO I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH A 40 FOOT BOAT IF THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES TO GET THIS DONE.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CHANGING THAT, BUT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT THERE ARE NO LIVEABOARDS AS A CONDITION FOR THIS, AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT THE OWNERSHIP OR THE RENTAL OF THE SLIPS IN SUCH A MANNER THAT IT DOESN'T ALLOW RENTALS OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.
IT'S GOT TO BE SOME LEASE OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.
NOT ANYBODY CAN COME IN AND OUT OF THERE.
I'M NOT REALLY HARD OVER ON THE FENCE OR THE GATE OR THE LIQUOR LICENSES, BUT I APPRECIATE THE RESIDENTS COMING OUT AND SPEAKING AND IT GIVES US THE FEEDBACK WE NEED AND THAT'S FEEDBACK THE STAFF NEEDS.
>> I, TOO, WOULD LIKE TO SAY, I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT AND THE TOWN WORKING TOGETHER AND ESPECIALLY THE RESIDENTS COMING FORWARD, BECAUSE THAT'S SO IMPORTANT TO HEAR ALL SIDES OF THIS.
I, TOO, AGREE WITH THE CONDITION OF NO LIVEABOARD AND HAVING THE ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE OF NO WAKE ZONE, BECAUSE PEOPLE NOT LIVING IN THAT AREA MIGHT NOT KNOW THAT INFORMATION.
I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE DECORATIVE GATES INSTALLED LOCKED BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE IT FROM A PUBLIC DOCKAGE TO A PRIVATE DOCKAGE, AND MAKING SURE THE BOAT SLIP IN THAT BOAT IS ACTUALLY FOR THE PERSON WHO HAS RENTED IT.
I'M WILLING TO JUMP UP TO THE 4COP-SFS, AND BASICALLY WHAT THAT MEANS IS YOU HAVE A FULL LIQUOR LICENSE, BUT THAT AT LEAST 50.1% OR MORE HAS TO BE FOOD.
BECAUSE A FULL LICENSE UNLIMITED MEANS BASICALLY YOU'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE A BAR THERE, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR TO THE RESIDENTS LIVING THERE.
LIKE YOU SAY, THE PEOPLE GETTING DRUNK COMING AND GOING AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
I THINK THAT'S A NICE MAYBE IN BETWEEN THE 4COP-SFS, JUST MAKE SURE THAT THE 50 PLUS PERCENT IS FOOD, AND THEN THE REST CAN BE ALCOHOL.
>> I ALSO SUPPORT WHAT COMMISSIONER KELSO SAYS, AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE HERE.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DID ASK ABOUT LAST TIME.
WHERE WERE THE RESIDENTS? THE ONE THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT THE RENTAL LEASE OVERSIGHT, WHATEVER, THAT IT BE LIMITED TO INDIVIDUALS, LIKE YOU HAD SAID.
IF A GROUP COMES IN AND DOES IT, THAT OPENS IT UP TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.
TO AN INDIVIDUAL ONLY FOR THOSE LEASES.
>> EVERYTHING'S BEEN ADDRESSED THAT I WAS WANTING TO ASK MYSELF.
>> I SO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PROJECT WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT THE TOWN IS STATED, EXCEPT FOR ALLOWING FOR THE 40-FOOT BOAT SLIP, BUT ALSO ADDING THE CONDITION OF THE ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE OF NO WAKE ZONE, NO LIVEABOARDS, INSTALLING THE DECORATIVE LOCK GATES, AND HAVING SOME STORAGE SYSTEM TO ACCESS THAT PRIVATE DOCK AREA, AND HAVING THE 4COP-SFS ALCOHOL LICENSE RESTRICTION.
>> CAN I ADD ONE MORE THING THAT YOU MENTIONED?
>> NO SLIP RENTAL TO NON INDIVIDUALS?
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>> YES. THANK YOU. NO SLIP INDIVIDUAL RENTAL TO NON-INDIVIDUALS OR TO SUBLEASE IT.
>> DID YOU SAY YES ON 40-FOOT BOAT OR NO?
>> SORRY. COMMISSIONER DUNNING, [OVERLAPPING]
>> AYE FOR EVERYTHING THAT SHE SAID.
I'M NOT HARD OVER ON THE GATES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT I'LL GO WITH WHATEVER THE GROUP WANTS.
>> THE MOTION INCLUDED 40-FOOT MAX LENGTH, NO LIVEABOARD, NO TRANSIENT ROOM, ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE, NO WAKE, LOCKED ACCESS, AND THE INTERMEDIATE OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
LIQUOR LICENSE REQUIRES THE MAJORITY OF SALES, I THINK TO COME FROM FOOD.
>> ANY OPPOSED? YOU NEED ANY CLARIFICATION ON ANY OF THAT?
>> SORRY. JUST ONE THING IF YOU COULD.
THE CONDITION THAT WAS ABOUT NO SLIP RENTAL TO NON-INDIVIDUALS.
>> NO COMPANIES OR CLUBS AND THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE YOU COULD HAVE [OVERLAPPING]
>> THERE'S GOING TO BE [OVERLAPPING]
>> YOU WANT THE SLIP RENTAL ONLY TO BE TO A SINGULAR RESIDENT, IF YOU WILL, NOT TO A COMPANY?
>> WE'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THAT.
>> YOU CAN'T SPEAK FROM THE AUDIENCE.
>> THEN ALSO THE NO SUBLEASING.
IF THEY RENT IT OUT TO SOMEBODY, THEY CAN'T SUBLEASE THAT.
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>> I JUST WANTED TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT AFTER P&Z, THIS WILL BE GOING TO THE TOWN COUNCIL FOR ANOTHER REVIEW AND POTENTIAL APPROVAL OR CHANGES.
>> MAY I ASK A POINT OF ORDER OR JUST A QUESTION.
BUT PART OF THAT PROPOSAL WAS, AS A COMMISSION WANT TO RECOMMEND TO THE TOWN COUNCIL, THE FRONT FACING OF THE BUILDING ON ALTERNATE A1A AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND THE REDUCED SETBACK, SHOULD WE MAKE AN OPINION [OVERLAPPING] THAT NOTHING WE WOULD?
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT ITEM IS OVER AND IT'S BEEN VOTED ON.
WE CAN'T HAVE ANY MORE DIALOGUE ON IT.
>> WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH STAFF AFTER THE MEETING. THANK YOU.
>> WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN?
>> SORRY. COMMISSIONER GEISINGER. YOU DO SECOND?
>> AYE. THANK Y'ALL.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.