[00:00:02] >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. WELL AFTER 7:00, [CALL TO ORDER] WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. I'D LIKE TO CALL THE JUNE 11TH, 2024 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER. JUST A REMINDER FOR EVERYONE TO PLEASE SPEAK INTO YOUR MICS AS YOU CAN. STAFF, COULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL SO WE CAN ESTABLISH A QUORUM? >> CHAIR KIRN. >> HERE. >> VICE CHAIR DUNNING. >> HERE. >> COMMISSIONER CASSATLY. >> HERE. >> COMMISSIONER GUISINGER. >> HERE. >> COMMISSIONER KELSO. COMMISSIONER THOMPSON. >> HERE. >> COMMISSIONER VINSON. >> HERE. >> COMMISSIONER KEENAN. COMMISSIONER BLUM. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. NOW THAT WE'VE GOT THE QUORUM ESTABLISHED, IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO DO A CITIZEN COMMENT BEFORE THE COMMISSION. IS THERE ANYONE? NOPE. NO CITIZEN COMMENTS. WE WILL MOVE ALONG TO THE MINUTES FROM LAST MEETING, MAY 14TH. [MINUTES] DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THE MEETING MINUTES? OTHERWISE, CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? >> MOTION. >> I SECOND. >> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER VINSON, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER DUNNING. ALL IN FAVOR. >> AYE. >> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED. THOSE PASS. WE'LL GET INTO THE NORMAL ORDER OF BUSINESS, THE REGULAR AGENDA. [ORDER OF BUSINESS] CAN I GET A MOTION ON THE AGENDA? WELL, SORRY. ON JUNE 4TH, WE RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT TO POSTPONE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1. I GUESS DO WE NEED A MOTION TO? >> NO, WE HAVE A READ NOTICE. >> OKAY. THEN, DO WE NEED A MOTION ON THE AGENDA, MR. BAIRD, FOR TONIGHT? >> TO CONTINUE THE ITEM? >> RIGHT. >> ARE YOU ASKING ME IF YOU NEED A MOTION TO POSTPONE THE ITEM? >> YES. >> YES. >> CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO POSTPONE THE ITEM ON PALMWOOD? >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE. >> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GUISINGER. THANK YOU. >> SECONDED. MR. THOMPSON. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> ANY NAY? THAT HAS PASSED. I DON'T THINK WE'RE SWEARING IN ANY WITNESSES THIS EVENING, RIGHT? [B.1. Cinquez Park Future Land Use Map (FLUM) Amendment] >> NO. THIS NEXT ITEM IS A PROPOSED LAND USE CHANGE. IT IS NOT A QUASI-JUDICIAL ITEM, SO YOU DO NOT HAVE TO MAKE ANY DISCLOSURES. PUBLIC COMMENT IS LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES. YOUR DISCUSSION IS ALONG THE LINES OF WHETHER OR NOT YOU THINK THE PROPOSED CHANGE IN THE LAND USE IS AN APPROPRIATE CHANGE, AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. >> OKAY. JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS, THE SEQUENCE HERE IS THE TOWN STAFF WILL GIVE THEIR PRESENTATION, THE BOARD WILL THEN ASK QUESTIONS, THEN WE'LL HAVE THE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC, AND THEN WE WILL DELIBERATE AND ENTERTAIN ANY MOTIONS. WE START, GARRETT, FROM THE TOWN RATHER. SORRY. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. FOR THE RECORD, GARRETT WATSON WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT. HERE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT TO PRESENT THE CINQUEZ PARK FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT. JUST A REAL BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHERE THE PROPERTY IS, I'M SURE YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR. THIS IS THE CINQUEZ PARK SITE. WHAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN RED IS THE ENTIRETY OF THE 13.1 ACRES THAT MAKES UP THE PARK. WHAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON TONIGHT IS A SMALL THREE-ACRE AREA IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH I'LL HIGHLIGHT HERE IN JUST A MOMENT. BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND FOR YOU ON THIS PROPERTY. IT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED AS A TARGET, THERE WERE SOME OTHER USES PROPOSED ON IT IN THE EARLY 2000S, BUT IN 2008, THE TOWN PURCHASED ALL 13.1 ACRES OF THE PROPERTY. TEN ACRES OF THAT SITE WAS PURCHASED USING OPEN SPACE BOND MONEY, WHICH HAS A VERY RESTRICTED USE CASE ON IT BASED OFF OF THE BOND, AND THREE ACRES WAS PURCHASED WITH GENERAL FUND MONEY, THAT WAY, IT GAVE THE ABILITY TO ALLOW FOR SOME OPTIONS FOR SOME MORE INTENSE USES THAT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN PERMITTED IF IT WAS PURCHASED WITH THAT OPEN SPACE BOND. FAST FORWARD TO 2014, THE PROPERTY HAD A COMMERCIAL AND A HIGH-DENSITY LAND USE DESIGNATION ON IT, [00:05:06] AND WE DEVELOPED A SITE PLAN AND SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR A PASSIVE PARK AND DOG PARK, WHICH IS CONSTRUCTED TODAY, AND HAD PLANS FOR A FUTURE PLAYGROUND AND FOOD RETAIL USE, THINK OF IT LIKE A DONUT SHOP. WE'D ENVISION MAYBE A CONCESSION STAND, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. THAT USE IS REALLY FOCUSED ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY. THAT'S WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL LAND USE WAS. IT WAS NEAR THE WESTERN BORDER OF THE PROPERTY, FRONTING ON THE EXISTING CINQUEZ NEIGHBORHOOD. OPTIONS FOR THAT OVER THE YEARS HAD RANGED FROM EVERYTHING FROM POTENTIALLY DEVELOPING SOME WORKFORCE HOUSING ON THAT PROPERTY IN THAT WESTERN AREA, FRONTING ON WHAT IS CINQUEZ PARK NEIGHBORHOOD. WE LOOKED AT THAT PLAYGROUND, THE FUTURE FOOD RETAIL, A CONCESSION STAND, AND NOW WE'RE HERE FOR A FIRE STATION. FAST FORWARD TO 2016, TALKS OF A LOT OF THOSE OTHER USES, WORKFORCE HOUSING, THAT HAD GONE AWAY, AND THE COUNCIL MADE THE DECISION TO CHANGE THE LAND USE FROM COMMERCIAL AND HIGH-DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO RECREATION FOR THE WHOLE PROPERTY. ALONG WITH THAT, THEY ALSO ASSIGNED THE PUBLIC/INSTITUTIONAL ZONING WHICH IS UNDERNEATH THE RECREATIONAL LAND USE AT THE MOMENT. FAST FORWARD TO MAY 21ST OF THIS YEAR, CINQUEZ PARK WAS SELECTED BY THE COUNCIL AS A SITE FOR THE WESTERN FIRE STATION IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY. THAT NIGHT, A CONTRACT WAS APPROVED TO BEGIN DEVELOPMENT OF A SITE PLAN AND PROCESSING THE SITE PLAN AND SPECIAL EXCEPTION APPLICATION, WHICH COMES BEFORE YOU NEXT MONTH. REAL QUICK, JUST FOR SOME FAMILIARITY ON WHAT'S GOING ON, WHAT AREA OF THE SITE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. YOU'LL SEE THAT FAR LEFT MAP, THAT'S THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE MAP, AND IT SHOWS RECREATION ON THE PARCEL. THAT LIGHT BLUE OUTLINE, THAT'S THE THREE ACRES THAT THE LAND USE IS BEING AMENDED ON TONIGHT. YOU'LL SEE IN THAT MIDDLE MAP, THAT'S THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE MAP. THAT BLUE COLOR IS THE PUBLIC/INSTITUTIONAL LAND USE. THEN ON THE FAR RIGHT SIDE, YOU'LL SEE THAT'S THE EXISTING ZONING OF PUBLIC/INSTITUTIONAL. THE PUBLIC/INSTITUTIONAL FUTURE LAND USE ALIGNS WITH AND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PUBLIC/INSTITUTIONAL ZONING THAT'S ON THE PROPERTY. I'LL GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO THAT HERE IN JUST A MINUTE. THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT POLICY THAT'S RELATED TO THE PUBLIC/INSTITUTIONAL LAND USE CATEGORY. YOU CAN SEE IT COVERS A BROAD RANGE OF USES, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY FOR TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION, GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS, FACILITIES AND OPERATIONS, FIRE AND EMERGENCY RESCUE OPERATION CENTERS, POLICE STATIONS. THEN SECOND TO THAT, THE SENTENCE BELOW THAT SAYS, THESE PUBLIC RECREATIONAL FACILITIES AND SITES ARE ALSO ALLOWED WITHIN PUBLIC/INSTITUTIONAL. THIS PROPERTY WHILE IT'S THREE ACRES, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE 100% THE FIRE STATION, THE USES THAT CAN BE ENCAPSULATED WITHIN THIS LAND USE CAN ALSO BE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES AND SITES, AND THEY CAN SERVE AS THOSE MORE ACTIVE USES THAT WERE ORIGINALLY PLANNED BACK IN THE 2014 DAYS WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN. A COUPLE OF KEY FINDINGS AND CONCLUSIONS PULLED OUT OF THE REPORT FOR YOU. THIS FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF PUBLIC/INSTITUTIONAL, IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE PROPERTY BECAUSE IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING ZONING AND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OF A FIRE STATION ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER. LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THAT PUBLIC/INSTITUTIONAL ZONING DESIGNATION ALLOWS FOR EMERGENCY AND PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICE FACILITIES, INCLUDING FIRE STATIONS AS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION USE, WHICH WILL COME BEFORE YOU NEXT MONTH AT THE JULY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING. PUBLIC RECREATIONAL FACILITIES AND SITES ARE PERMITTED IN THIS LAND USE CATEGORY AS NOTED IN THAT POLICY PREVIOUSLY, SO THAT THOSE FUNCTIONS CAN STILL HAPPEN ON THESE THREE ACRES OF THE PROPERTY, IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE SOLELY FIRE STATION, IT CAN BE MANY OTHER USES THAT MATCH THOSE PUBLIC RECREATIONAL USES AND MORE INTENSE THAN THAT 10 ACRES THAT'S ALLOCATED FOR THE BOND. THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION WON'T IMPACT THE SITE ENVIRONMENTALLY OR RECREATIONALLY, AS I NOTED, THAT THOSE USES CAN STILL OCCUR. THE PROPOSED CHANGE DOESN'T HAVE ANY NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON PUBLIC FACILITIES AS WE LOOK AT THEM THROUGH THIS PROCESS, AND THE LAND USE WILL RESULT IN A DECREASE AS WE LOOK AT IT AT A LAND USE LEVEL FROM THE TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE. REAL QUICK. I'M MOVING FORWARD TO NEXT STEPS JUST SO EVERYBODY'S AWARE. WE HAVE TONIGHT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT. IF IT'S RECOMMENDED, IT MOVES FORWARD TO THE COUNCIL NEXT WEEK AT THE 6/18 MEETING, AND THAT'S FOR WHAT WE CALL FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE. THEY WILL LOOK AT THAT ORDINANCE. IF THEY ADOPT IT ON FIRST READING, IT'LL MOVE FORWARD TO 16TH OF JULY FOR FINAL CONSIDERATION. ALONG WITH THAT, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON ALL OF THE DETAILS FOR A SITE PLAN AND SPECIAL EXCEPTION. NONE OF THOSE DETAILS ARE HERE FOR YOU TONIGHT, THAT ALL COMES BEFORE YOU NEXT MONTH AT THE JULY 9TH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, [00:10:03] AND EVERYTHING MEETS UP TOGETHER, SITE PLAN SPECIAL EXCEPTION, AND THIS LAND USE AMENDMENT, THEY ALL MEET UP ON THE 16TH FOR COUNCIL'S FINAL CONSIDERATION. THEY'LL HAVE ALL THOSE FACTS IN FRONT OF THEM BEFORE THEY MAKE THE FINAL DECISION ON THIS LAND USE AMENDMENT. THEY'LL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE SITE PLAN LOOKS LIKE. JUST BEFORE I CONCLUDE, WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF CONCERNS SINCE THE SITE WAS SELECTED FROM THE RESIDENTS. A LOT OF THEM ARE VERY SITE-SPECIFIC, VERY DETAIL-ORIENTED QUESTIONS. THOSE THINGS ARE VERY APPROPRIATE FOR THE SITE PLAN SPECIAL EXCEPTION PROCESS THAT'S GOING TO BE HAPPENING NEXT MONTH. WE DON'T HAVE ANSWERS TO A LOT OF THOSE DETAILED QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN RECEIVING AT THIS POINT, BUT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THOSE THINGS. NEXT MONTH WHEN WE SEE YOU, WE'LL HAVE ANSWERS TO THOSE THINGS. WITH THAT, I'LL CONCLUDE. I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANKS, GARRETT. LET'S START. COMMISSIONER KEENAN, DO YOU WANT TO START WITH QUESTIONS? >> ARE THERE ANY SPECIFIC DETAILS THAT ARE CONCRETE ENOUGH FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT TO US WITH RESPECT TO THE SITE APPLICATION AT THIS POINT, OR IS IT JUST IT HASN'T REALLY GONE MUCH DOWN THE ROAD IN TERMS OF FORMULATION? >> WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THE SITE PLANNING PROCESS AND SPECIAL EXCEPTION. AT THIS POINT, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THAT'S WITHIN THE THREE-ACRE AREA THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED TONIGHT. >> I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. >> SO MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST TO CLARIFY, SO QUESTIONS TO THE EXTENT YOU HAVE THEM SHOULD BE ABOUT THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE LAND USE THAT'S BEING ASSIGNED TO THE PROPERTY? BECAUSE THIS [OVERLAPPING] >> NOT SPECIFIC SITE PLAN. >> YOU DON'T HAVE A SITE PLAN BEFORE YOU. YOU WILL IN JULY. I WOULD IMAGINE HAVING SEEN THINGS PLAY OUT IN SIMILAR SCENARIOS IN THE PAST, THERE MAY BE COMMENTS THAT MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WANT TO ASK ABOUT THE SITE PLAN. BUT SINCE THAT'S NOT BEFORE YOU, IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT NOT ONLY FOR THE STAFF TO RESPOND TO THEM. BUT FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THOSE COMMENTS, BUT COMMENTS ON LAND USE SPECIFICALLY ARE CERTAINLY APPROPRIATE. >> THANK YOU. MR. VINCENT. >> I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. >> CAN YOU SPEAK CLOSER INTO THE MIC? NO TRY IT AGAIN. >> IS THAT ON NOW? >> IF YOU COULD JUST BE CLOSE INTO THE MIC AND THAT WOULD GO FOR ALL THE PUBLIC SPEAKERS TONIGHT TOO, WHEN YOU COME UP TO THE MIC, IF YOU WOULD JUST MAKE SURE THE MIC IS POSITIONED CLOSE TO YOUR HEIGHT AND THAT YOU SPEAK WITHIN A COUPLE INCHES OF THE MIC. >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU. >> WHAT HAPPENED TO THE ORIGINAL IDEA FOR THERE BEING A PLAYGROUND THERE? >> IT'S NOT BEEN FUNDED FOR CONSTRUCTION, AND THE DETAILS OF THAT HAD NOT BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD. I UNDERSTAND FROM SOME OF THE COMMENTS WE'VE RECEIVED FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS IS THAT THEY WEREN'T INTERESTED IN A PARK PLAYGROUND, NECESSARILY, BUT MAYBE OTHER RECREATION IMPROVEMENTS ON THE PROPERTY FOR THE FUTURE. WE WILL TAKE THOSE INTO CONSIDERATION. >> WHAT HAPPENS IF THE LAND CHANGE USES PASSED, THE FIRE STATION FALLS THROUGH, THEN WHAT BUILDINGS OR USE COULD BE USED FOR THAT PARCEL THAT IT WOULD FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS AND SOMETHING BE THERE THAT YOU DEFINITELY DON'T WANT? >> ANY TYPE OF RECREATION USES COULD GO THERE. ACTUALLY, ANY ACTIVE RECREATION COULD GO THERE, SOME OTHER TYPE OF, LIKE A PLAYGROUND NEEDS TO BE WITHIN THAT THREE ACRE AREA BECAUSE THAT'S CONSIDERED AN ACTIVE RECREATION USE, AND THE 10 ACRES IS RESTRICTED TO PASSIVE RECREATION USES. WE COULDN'T PROGRAM THE SPACE FOR SPORTS ACTIVITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IF WE WANTED TO BUILD ANY TYPE OF RECREATION BUILDING OR SOMETHING, THAT WOULD NEED TO BE IN THE THREE ACRE AREA, AND THE LAND USE CHANGE THAT IS PROPOSED WOULD CONTINUE TO ALLOW THAT. ANY OTHER USES THAT ARE ALLOWED WITHIN THE ZONING DISTRICT AS A PERMITTED USE OR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS, TO AMEND THE PLAN, AND TO HAVE THOSE APPROVED FOR THE PUBLIC PROCESS. >> THANK YOU. SORRY, I HAVE TO LOOK AT MY NOTES. HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT WE SHOULD WAIT AND TALK MORE TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT WITH THAT LAND SINCE THE MAJORITY OF THAT LAND WAS BOUGHT WITH BOND MONEY OR GREENLAND AND THE THREE ACRES WAS BOUGHT BY THE TOWN FOR A GENERAL FUND. [00:15:05] ONE WOULD HAVE EXPECTED IT WOULD HAVE EITHER ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED, BUT TO PUT A MUNICIPAL BUILDING ON A PARK. HAS ANYBODY TALKED TO THE PUBLIC OR HOW MUCH OF A ''INTERVIEW ''OF THE PUBLIC", ARE WE GOING TO DO TO FIND OUT HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT IT? >> WE COULD ALWAYS DO DIFFERENT TYPES OF OUTREACH, BUT THIS HAS BEEN A VERY PUBLIC DISCUSSION REALLY AS IT RELATES TO THE CREATION OF A TOWN FIRE DEPARTMENT. THEN AS WAS MENTIONED THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, THIS ISSUE OF SELECTION OF THE SITE WAS ALSO SCHEDULED AT A PUBLIC MEETING BEFORE THE TOWN COUNCIL, WHICH THAT POLICY DIRECTION WAS GIVEN MAY 21 OF THIS YEAR. THESE PROCESSES THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH, SO FAR AS THE LAND USE CHANGES, OF COURSE, THERE IS A PUBLIC PROCESS, WE PUT UP NOTICE SIGNS ON THE PROPERTY AT LEAST TWO WEEKS BEFORE THE HEARING COMES TO THIS COMMISSION. THEN WE ALSO PUBLISH A NOTICE IN THE NEWSPAPER FOR THE HEARING BEFORE THE COUNCIL AND WE ALSO POSTED ON OUR PUBLIC NOTICES' PAGE THAT'S MAINTAINED BY THE TOWN. ALL OF THOSE PROCESSES ARE ONGOING AND WE WILL DO A SIMILAR PROCESS FOR THE SITE PLAN WHEN IT MOVES FORWARD NEXT MONTH. >> WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT TALKING WITH THE PUBLIC ABOUT IT, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT TALKING TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT A FIRE STATION. I'M TALKING ABOUT TALKING TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT TAKING THAT PART OF THE PARK AWAY TO BUILD A BUILDING ON IT, ACTUALLY, IRREGARDLESS OF WHAT THE BUILDING IS. HAS THAT BEEN CONSIDERED, NOT JUST THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. I'M TALKING ABOUT BUILDING ANYTHING. IF YOU CHANGE THAT LAND USE, THEN THERE'S AN ABILITY TO BUILD ANYTHING. WHAT ARE THE RESIDENTS? YOU HAVE RESIDENTS THAT ARE JUST RIGHT ON THAT ROAD RIGHT BEHIND THERE, AND YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE AT THE DOG PARK AND YOU HAVE THERE INCREASED TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO BE ON INDIAN TOWN ROAD. HOW MUCH DISCUSSION HAS THERE BEEN ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THAT DIRECTLY CORRELATING TO BUILDING ANYTHING THERE? IF WE CHANGE THE LAND USE, THE RISK OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. >> WELL, AGAIN, THOSE COMMENTS ARE PART OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT PROCESS OF TONIGHT'S MEETING AND THE TWO MEETINGS THAT WILL OCCUR BEFORE THE COUNCIL. THERE'LL BE TWO READINGS OF THE ORDINANCE FOR THIS PROPOSED CHANGE. THEY'LL GIVE THE COMMUNITY OPPORTUNITY AT LARGE TO COMMENT ON THAT. THERE HAS BEEN OUTREACH TO THE RESIDENTS ON CARVER STREET, ADMINISTRATION AND REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE TOWN. FIRE DEPARTMENT HAVE MET WITH RESIDENTS ON AT LEAST TWO DIFFERENT OCCASIONS THAT I'M AWARE OF, BOTH WITH INDIVIDUALS IN A SMALL GROUP GATHERING. WE CAN ALSO CONSIDER MORE OF THAT. IF THERE'S INTEREST IN THAT, WE'LL CERTAINLY MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. >> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER THOMPSON. >> MY UNDERSTANDING [INAUDIBLE] >> YES. THE 10.1 ACRES THAT WAS PURCHASED AS PART OF THE OPEN SPACE BOND, THAT'S GOING TO REMAIN RECREATIONAL LAND USE, AND THAT'S THE USE THAT'S ESTABLISHED ON THAT SITE IS WHAT'S GOING TO REMAIN THERE. >> [INAUDIBLE] >> NO, IT'S PART OF THE RESTRICTIONS IN THE OPEN SPACE BOND. THE USE OF THAT PROPERTY IS WHAT MATCHES WHAT'S THE REQUIREMENT IN THE OPEN SPACE BOND. >> FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THERE'S BEEN MULTIPLE NOTICES THAT THERE COULD BE A CHANGE WITH THIS, HAS THE RESPONSE FROM THE CARVER AVENUE RESIDENTS BEEN ANYTHING WHATSOEVER? I IMAGINE THAT THEY HAVE SOME SAY OR CONCERN ABOUT ANY PARTICULAR BUILDING, ESPECIALLY ONE WITH LIGHTS AND SIRENS COMING OUT NEAR A DOG PARK, MORE SO THAN POSSIBLY A SHED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR A STORAGE FACILITY? >> YES. I KNOW ONE OF THE SMALL MEETING THAT OCCURRED WITH CARVER RESIDENTS. THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS THAT CAME UP THAT THEY WERE NOT INTERESTED IN A PLAYGROUND AT THIS TIME. OF COURSE, WE RECOGNIZE OVER TIME AND AS THE POPULATION AGES OR YOUNGER FAMILIES MOVE IN, SOME OF THOSE INTERESTS COULD CHANGE. I WOULD NEVER SAY NEVER TO ANY TYPE OF USE BECAUSE THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY ARE CONSTANTLY CHANGING, WHICH HAS BEEN EVIDENT OVER THE YEARS WITH THE INTEREST IN THE DIFFERENT TYPE OF USES THAT MIGHT GO ON THIS PROPERTY. [00:20:02] WE'RE IMPLEMENTING THE POLICY DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL AT THIS POINT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH CITING THE WESTERN FIRE STATION AT THIS LOCATION. >> THEN MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE WOULD HAVE ANOTHER BUILDING THAT COULD BE USED AS A FIRE STATION WITHIN THREE MINUTES OF A NEW FIRE STATION ON THIS SITE. >> THE SPECIFICS ABOUT THE FIRE STATION ARE NOT REALLY GERMANE TO THE ACTUAL ITEM THAT'S BEFORE YOU. I MEAN, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT'S RELATED BECAUSE WE HAVE AN ITEM THAT'S IN PROCESS FOR THAT. BUT THOSE DETAILS WILL BE PREPARED TO ADDRESS WHEN THE SITE PLAN COMES FORWARD AT YOUR NEXT MEETING. >> IF THE LAND USE CHANGE DOES NOT HAPPEN, IT WILL CONTINUE TO BE A PARK? >> IF THE LAND AMENDMENT IS NOT ADOPTED BY THE COUNCIL, THEN YEAH, IT WOULD CONTINUE TO BE AS A PARK UNTIL COUNCIL GIVES US DIFFERENT POLICY DIRECTION. >> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER THOMPSON? >> THAT'S IT. >> OKAY. COMMISSIONER GUISINGER? >> I GOT TWO QUESTIONS. MR. WATCHIN, YOU STATED THAT MOST PUBLIC COMMENTS RECEIVED TODAY HAD BEEN SITE SPECIFIC CONCERNS. ARE THERE ANY CONCERNS RELATIVE TO THE PROPOSED CHANGE IN LAND USE THAT YOU'VE RECEIVED? >> I HAD A VOICE MESSAGE ON MY PHONE TODAY, WHICH I WAS UNABLE TO RETURN THIS LATE AFTERNOON ABOUT TRAFFIC RELATED TO THE AMENDMENT. HOWEVER, THERE WAS NO CLARITY PROVIDED AS TO WHAT THAT WAS, SO WE MAY HEAR IT AT PUBLIC COMMENT TONIGHT. WHAT THE SPECIFIC CONCERN WAS, BUT AT A LAND USE LEVEL, THE TRAFFIC IS A REDUCTION AS SHOWN IN THE REPORT. >> REDUCTION IN TRAFFIC. WHEN WE GET TO THE SIDE OF THE PART WHERE WE HAVE PUBLIC TO BE HEARD, WILL THOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS BE RECORDED AND ACTED UPON BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING ON THE 9TH? >> ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS MADE TONIGHT? >> YES. >> CERTAINLY WE'LL BE TAKING THEM INTO CONSIDERATION FOR WHAT COMES FORTH NEXT MONTH. WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO ADDRESS THEM ALL AS ADEQUATELY AS WE CAN. >> THANK YOU. I HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENTS. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER DUNNING. >> ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE LAND USE RIGHT NOW FOR IT TO BE UTILIZED FOR SOMETHING ELSE. I THINK WE KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS, WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR LEEWAY TO GO AHEAD AND CHANGE THE LAND USE ON THIS. I HEARD SOME OF THE CITIZEN COMMENTS A WHILE BACK AND THE BEAUTIFUL BANYAN TREES AND STUFF LIKE THAT AND I HOPE WHATEVER HAPPENS THAT WE'LL DO THE RIGHT THING FOR THAT. BUT FOR THE SAKE OF THIS MEETING AND THIS TIME, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT LAND USAGE, AND I GUESS IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING, WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT SPECIFICALLY IT WILL BE GOING THERE OR WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE GOING THERE, IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> YES. I CAN JUST TELL YOU AS PART OF THE DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL WHEN THEY MADE THIS SELECTION WAS TO ENSURE THAT THE TREE REMAINS ON THE PROPERTY. >> THANK YOU. >> THANKS. COMMISSIONER [INAUDIBLE] >> I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. THERE'S THAT LAKE BEHIND THERE, A LITTLE POND, A DRAINAGE POND. WILL THAT FACTOR IN OR IS THERE A SEPARATE DRAINAGE POND ONCE THEY BUILD UP THE PROPERTY? IF WE CHANGE IT AND THERE'S LAND USE AND THE BUILDING IS BUILT, WHATEVER THE BUILDING IS, WILL THAT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE OTHER PROPERTY IN TERMS OF ENVIRONMENT? NOW, I KNOW YOU SAID NOT IN TERMS OF PEOPLE COMING AND GOING OR THE SEWAGE OR THE WATER. >> ANY DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY WILL NEED TO MEET THE TOWN STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN REQUIREMENTS. IF THERE IS ANY IMPACT, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED AT THE TIME THE DEVELOPMENT IS PROPOSED. >> THANK YOU. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU. I HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT THEY'RE MORE SPECIFIC TO THE SITE PLAN. I'LL HAVE THOSE READY TO GO FOR THE NEXT MEETING. AT THIS TIME, WE WILL TAKE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC RELATED SPECIFICALLY TO THE LAND USE QUESTION. >> I HAVE A TOTAL OF SEVEN COMMENT CARDS FROM PEOPLE WHO DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK. I'LL CALL THEM BY NAME AND THEN CIRCULATE THE CARDS AMONG THE COMMISSION SO THAT YOU CAN READ THE COMMENTS. THE FIRST PERSON IS MR. J ROSNER, MICHELLE LORENZO, JOHN LEEBEC, JEN KEELER, TRAVIS KELSO, TRACY MOORE, MISS FRANCESCA GONZALEZ. [00:25:03] THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT DO NOT WISH TO SPEAK. I ALSO HAVE COMMENT CARD SIX TOTAL FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, MR. MICHAEL SHEPHERD, IF YOU COULD STEP TO THE PODIUM. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. >> EVENING. >> MY NAME IS MICHAEL SHEPHERD, AND I LIVE AT 17682 CARVER AVENUE AND WE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS. FIRST OF ALL, NONE OF MY NEIGHBORS WANT A FIRE STATION ON THAT BLOCK OR IN THE PARK. WHEN I MOVED HERE IN 2017, WE WERE SPECIFICALLY TOLD THAT NO MAJOR BUILDINGS WERE GOING TO BE DONE THERE. IT WAS GOING TO BE SIMPLE PARK, MAYBE A COFFEE SHOP, MAYBE A KIDS PLAYGROUND. BUT LET'S LOOK AT THIS FISCALLY, LET'S BOIL IT DOWN TO THE NUMBERS. YOU'RE PAYING $3.7 MILLION RIGHT NOW TO PALM BEACH COUNTY FOR FIRE SERVICES. THIS IS GOING TO COST A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE $10 MILLION A YEAR TO THE RESIDENTS OF [INAUDIBLE] TO FUND THIS. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HIRING 93 FTES TO BE FIREMEN HERE. THAT'S SALARIES, INSURANCE, LIABILITY, TRAINING, OR ONE KS, ANNUITIES, RETIREMENT. WHY WOULD WE FOOT THAT BILL? THAT'S ALL I GOT. THANKS. >> THANK YOU. >> NEXT GOING TO HAVE MISS MELISSA SCHNYDER, IF YOU CAN COME STEP TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. >> HI. MY NAME IS MELISSA SCHNYDER AND MY ADDRESS IS 3818 COUNTY LANE ROAD, APARTMENT 111CINQUEZ OF FLORIDA AND I'M HERE TO ADDRESS. I'M VERY VERY UPSET ABOUT THIS AS WELL. UNFORTUNATELY, FOR US IN CINQUEZ, WE HAVE A REALLY CRAPPY DOG PARK. MY SON JUST GOT A SERVICE ANIMAL A FEW MONTHS AGO BECAUSE HE HAS ADHD AND SENSORY PROCESSING DISORDER WHICH DO NOT REACT VERY WELL TO LOUD NOISES AT ALL. EVERY DAY AFTER WORK, MY SON AND I TAKE HIS SERVICE DOG TO CINQUEZ PARK, WHERE I'VE MET A LOT OF WONDERFUL PEOPLE WHO HAVE BASICALLY BECOME LIKE FAMILY TO ME AND THE SAME DOGS ARE THERE EVERY NIGHT. WHAT LOUD NOISES THAT A FIREHOUSE WOULD BRING WOULD NOT ONLY PROBABLY, DOGS HERE FOUR TIMES LOUDER THAN A HUMAN. IT COULD CAUSE PERMANENT DAMAGE FOR DOGS EARS, AS WELL AS CAUSE VERY ERRATIC BEHAVIOR. I THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO END UP BEING SCARED, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT MORE DOG FIGHTS. THAT MENTIONED, SOMEBODY THAT HAS ADHD OR ACCESSORY PROCESSING DISORDER OR AUTISM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO TO DOG PARK ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY'RE SO AFFECTED BY LOUD NOISES THAT CAUSES ANXIETY AND SEVERAL ISSUES. I THINK IT'S JUST TOTALLY PREPOSTEROUS THAT IF THERE'S AN EXISTING DOG PARK THAT THIS WOULD EVEN BE A THOUGHT IN THEIR MIND BECAUSE THE NOISES ARE GOING TO CAUSE A LOT OF ISSUES FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES, AS WELL AS THEIR SERVICE ANIMALS. I THINK IT'S SAD THAT THEY WOULD EVEN CONSIDER RUINING THIS FOR ANY OF US. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. NEXT, GOING TO HAVE THOMAS AND MEGAN HERNDON. PLEASE STEP TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. MY NAME IS THOMAS HERNDON 17583 CARVER AVENUE. MY DRIVEWAY AND MY WIFE'S DRIVEWAY WOULD SHARE A DRIVEWAY WITH THIS PROPOSED FIRE STATION. BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THE IDEA IS DO NOT NECESSARILY TALK ABOUT WHAT WILL BE BUILT BUT TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF THIS. BUT IN ORDER TO DO THAT, I THINK YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE INTENTION OF THAT ZONING CHANGE IS. THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT CAN BUILD ON THIS ZONING CHANGE IS THE TOWN OF JUPITER. YOU CAN'T OPEN THAT TO PROPOSAL FOR A PRIVATE INVESTOR TO BUILD SOMETHING. NOW YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO OPEN UP AN RFP AND SAY, HEY, WE WANT TO BRING IN A RESTAURANT OR BRING IN SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT IN THIS CASE, WE KNOW THAT'S NOT THE CASE. THE INTENTION IS NOT TO OPEN IT UP TO A PUBLIC RFP TO SAY, HEY, HOW CAN WE USE THIS LAND WELL? I THINK, MR. THOMPSON, YOU BROUGHT UP THE QUESTION, WHAT ELSE COULD BE CONSIDERED? HAVE WE CONSIDERED ANYTHING ELSE? WELL, CLEARLY THEY HAVE CONSIDERED SOMETHING ELSE, THAT HOUSES COULD BE BUILT THERE. NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IF YOU BUILD HOUSES, YOU'RE BRINGING IN TAX REVENUE TO THE TOWN OF JUPITER INSTEAD OF SPENDING MORE TAX REVENUE ON BUILDING A FIRE STATION WHEN THERE'S A FIRE STATION LESS THAN 100 YARDS AWAY ALREADY IS THE CURL FLIES. I THINK THOSE ARE SOME IMPORTANT THINGS TO CONSIDER. THEN THEY BROUGHT UP A COUPLE OF TIMES THAT THIS WON'T AFFECT THE SITE AT ALL. WELL, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY DIFFICULT TO SAY THAT IT WON'T IMPACT THE SITE AT ALL. IT'LL DEFINITELY IMPACT THE SITE, NO MATTER WHAT YOU BUILD THERE. I BOUGHT MY HOUSE ON THE PREMISE THAT IT'S A PARK. THERE'S A DOG PARK, THERE'S PEOPLE PLAYING IN THE FIELD, THERE WILL BE NO LONGER BE A FIELD THERE IF THERE'S A FIRE STATION OR REALLY ANYTHING [00:30:03] BUILT OTHER THAN MAYBE A PLAYGROUND WOULD BE EQUAL TO WHAT'S THERE NOW. I THINK CONSIDERING WHAT IS GOING TO BE BUILT THERE IS IMPORTANT WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING CHANGING THE ORDINANCE OF WHAT CAN BE BUILT THERE. TO SAY THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO IMPACT THE SITE NEGATIVELY, WELL, YOU CLEARLY DON'T LIVE THERE. I WOULD CHALLENGE ANYBODY SITTING ON THIS COUNCIL OR ANY COUNCIL TO BE LIKE, IF I WAS GOING TO BUY A HOUSE, WOULD I BUY IT SHARING A DRIVEWAY WITH A FIRE STATION? IF I HAVE KIDS OR GRAND KIDS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? THEN THE LAST POINT WOULD I APOLOGIZE, I FORGET YOUR NAME, BUT IT IS A DOG PARK. YES, THERE'S CARS ON THE STREET THAT DRIVE BY AND THERE'S THE OCCASIONAL FIRE TRUCK, BUT NOT A FIRE TRUCK OR A RESCUE VEHICLE COMING OUT 10, 15, 20 TIMES A DAY WHEN PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE WITH THEIR DOGS AND KIDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I WOULD JUST APPRECIATE IF EVERYONE CONSIDERED ALL THOSE POINTS AND THOUGHT ABOUT IT AS A WHOLE, NOT JUST THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE, THE RESIDENTS THAT USE THE PARK, AND ALL OF IT AND WHAT COULD BE BUILT THERE. WHAT COULD BE MORE USEFUL. I THINK THERE'S MORE USEFUL WHEN THERE'S A FIRE STATION LITERALLY LESS THAN 100 YARDS AWAY. THANK YOU. >> NEXT, CAN I HAVE MR. KYLE NOT NEAR US. IF YOU COULD STEP TO THE PODIUM STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. >> HELLO. I LIVE AT 17579 CARVER AVENUE, AND I AS WELL SHARE A DRIVEWAY WITH A PERSPECTIVE FIRE STATION AS CAN BE BUILT THERE. IF YOU GUYS HAVE NEVER SAT ALONG THAT STREET AND JUST WATCHED WHAT GOES ON IN THAT PARK, I IMPLORE YOU TO DO SO. MAYBE NOT NOW IN THE SUMMER, BUT THERE'S STILL KIDS THAT PLAY SOCCER ALMOST EVERY SINGLE DAY. THERE'S MEETINGS THAT TAKE PLACE UNDERNEATH THAT TREE. I'M NOT SURE WHAT MEETINGS ARE. YOGA CLASSES TAKE PLACE ON WEEKENDS. THAT FIELD IS ALMOST CONSTANTLY USED. IT IS VERY UTILIZED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND THERE. I WENT DOOR TO DOOR WITH ALL MY NEIGHBORS TODAY, AND I DID NOT TALK TO ONE OF THEM THAT WAS EXCITED ABOUT THIS WHATSOEVER. THEY DIDN'T WANT THIS HAPPENING AT ALL. I WAS ACTUALLY PART OF THAT ONE MEETING THAT WAS VERY PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE FIRE STATION GOING THERE. I ONLY FOUND OUT BECAUSE MY NEIGHBOR TEXTED ME FOUR HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING. ONLY REASON WHY THE NEIGHBORS KNEW ABOUT IT IS BECAUSE MALICE GOES TO THE SAME CHURCH AS ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS, AND SHE TOLD HER TO REACH OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THREE OR FOUR HOUSEHOLDS WERE THERE, INCLUDING MINE. IT WAS NOT WELL KNOWN THAT THIS WAS HAPPENING UNTIL THOSE SIGNS WENT UP 10 DAYS AGO, TWO WEEKS AGO, WHATEVER IT WAS, AND WHEN WE ALL GOT THAT LETTER IN THE MAIL. WHEN I WENT DOOR TO DOOR, I EXPLAINED WHAT THAT LETTER WAS AND PEOPLE WERE SAYING, OH, THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THAT. I HAD NO IDEA WHAT THIS MEANT. HALF DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A FIRE STATION GOING THERE. A HANDFUL OF THEM COULDN'T MAKE IT HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE IT WAS SUCH LATE NOTICE. BUT THAT TREE IS AMAZING. I CLIMB IT, MY SON CLIMBS IT. HE'S THREE-YEARS-OLD GETTING TO GO ON THE FLOOR. HE USES THAT PARK. I BOUGHT MY HOUSE JUST LIKE MY NEIGHBOR BECAUSE I SAW A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO RAISE A GREAT FAMILY HERE. BUT WITH THE FIRE STATION DOWN, I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING. IT'S JUST GOING TO MAKE TOO MUCH NOISE. IT'S GOING TO CONGEST THE TRAFFIC THAT'S ALREADY THERE, AND IT'S GOING TO BE PROBLEMATIC TO HAVE A NICE FAMILY DYNAMIC IN THAT PARK OVER THERE WITH THAT DOG PARK. AT THAT MEETING, WE ALSO BROUGHT UP, THERE'S A REHAB CENTER THAT'S NOT USED ANYMORE. IT'S DERELICT MOST OF THE TIME TO PUT THE FIRE STATION OVER THERE. IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO AN AUTO PART STORE. IT WOULDN'T REALLY IMPACT RESPONSE TIMES. BUT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO HEAR ANYTHING YOU HAD TO SAY AT THAT MEETING. WE KEPT OFFERING DIFFERENT SITES. I'M NOT AS KNOWLEDGEABLE WITH THE AREA AROUND HERE. I'VE LIVED HERE SINCE 2020. LOCKDOWNS HAPPENED TWO DAYS AFTER I BOUGHT MY HOUSE. I DON'T KNOW AREA ALL THAT WELL QUITE YET, BUT IT WASN'T UNTIL ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH THE MEETING, THEY SAID THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE THE SITE FOR THE STATION. WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE THIS BETTER FOR YOU ALL BECAUSE THIS IS HAPPENING? THEY DIDN'T GIVE US AN OPTION. THEY SAID THIS WAS PRETTY MUCH SET IN STONE. I'M HERE TONIGHT FOR YOU ALL TO RECONSIDER. THAT'S SO I CAN ASK. THANK YOU. >> NEXT, IF WE CAN HAVE MS. LEAN AND KAYLA LEBECK, YOU CAN STEP TO THE PODIUM, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. >> HI. MY NAME IS LEAN LABECK. I LIVE AT 17710 CARVER AVENUE. ODDLY ENOUGH, I HAVEN'T MET SOME OF THESE NEIGHBORS UNTIL JUST HEARING THEM SPEAK RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE ON ONE THING. THIS LAND CHANGE AMENDMENT IS NOT GOOD FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, [00:35:04] AND IT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE TOWN OF JUPITER. THE CINQUEZ DOG PARK IS A WELL RESPECTED, WELL KNOWN DOG PARK, NOT JUST TO OUR COMMUNITY, BUT NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES. THERE IS NOT ANOTHER DOG PARK LIKE THAT WITHIN 30 MILES, AND THIS PARTICULAR DOG PARK BRINGS IN PEOPLE FROM OTHER TOWNS WHO COME INTO THE TOWN OF JUPITER AND SPEND MONEY IN THE TOWN OF JUPITER. SEVERAL OF THE LOCAL BUSINESSES I SPOKE WITH ARE CONCERNED THAT THE DECREASE IN FOOT TRAFFIC BY THIS DOG PARK BEING AFFECTED WOULD MAKE THEM NO LONGER BE ABLE TO SURVIVE AS A BUSINESS. THE NEEDED RIPPING UP OF INDIAN TOWN ROAD IN ORDER TO POTENTIALLY PUT IN THIS MAYBE BUT NOT DECIDED YET, FIRE STATION WOULD ALSO IMPACT BUSINESSES. SOME OF THESE BUSINESSES ARE ONE WEEK OF CONSTRUCTION AWAY FROM GOING OUT OF BUSINESS AND CHANGING THE LAND USE WOULD ACTUALLY HARM THESE BUSINESSES. BUT FOR ME PERSONALLY, THIS PROPOSED CHANGE HURTS ME AND HURTS MY FAMILY. I HAVE AN 8-YEAR-OLD SON WHO HAS AUTISM AND HAS EXTREME NOISE SENSITIVITY. WE ARE 180 STEPS FROM THE LOCATION WHERE THEY PLAN TO PUT THIS FIRE STATION. ANY SORT OF CONSTRUCTION NOISE, CONTINUOUS SIRENS HAPPENING WHEN AN EMERGENCY PRESENTS ITSELF WILL AFFECT OUR FAMILY, AND IT WILL MAKE IT SO THAT MY SON CANNOT RELAX IN HIS OWN HOME. IT WILL MAKE IT SO THAT WE CAN NO LONGER ENJOY THE PEACEFULNESS OF THE HOME THAT WE PURCHASED WHEN THE FUTURE LAND USE OF THIS WAS A PLAYGROUND THAT PEOPLE WANTED. I BELIEVE STRONGLY THAT THE AMENDMENT IS NOT GOING TO BE GREAT FOR JUPITER. THERE'S ANOTHER LOCATION THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE A FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT, BUT IT IS OWNED BY THE LOXAHATCHEE RIVER DISTRICT. THIS IS ALREADY ZONED TO BE ABLE TO BE USED IN AN INSTITUTIONAL WAY LIKE THEY WANT TO REZONE SPACE. IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE USED FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS AND IN 50 YEARS, IT WILL BE NEEDED FOR SEWAGE. I PROPOSE THAT INSTEAD OF DEMOLISHING OUR LOVELY PARKS, THAT INSTEAD OUR REPRESENTATIVES LOOK INTO USING LAND THAT IS ALREADY ZONED FOR THIS PURPOSE. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE POLICY 1.3.17 THAT WAS MENTIONED, THIS DOES NOT MEET THE QUALIFYING CRITERIA AS THE PROPOSED AREAS THAT ARE GOING TO BE SERVICED BY THIS FIRE STATION ARE NOT ALL WITHIN TWO MILES OF THE LOCATION. >> KAYLA LEBECK. >> SAY YOUR NAME. MY NAME IS. >> MY NAME KAYLA LEBECK. I LEV THE PLAYGROUND. A LOT OF NOSES HURT MY BROTHER. I LIKE THE PARK THE WAY IT IS. >> ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO SAY? >> NO. >> THANK YOU. NEXT, WE GO TO COMMENTS AND DELIBERATIONS AMONGST THE BOARD. LET'S START ON THIS SIDE, COMMISSIONER [INAUDIBLE]. >> SORRY, I WAS READING. >> WE'RE GOING TO DO COMMENTS AND DELIBERATIONS INTERNALLY TO THE BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION. ANY THOUGHTS? >> WELL, I'M ALL FOR KEEPING PARKS. >> YOU TURNED ON. >> JUST PUSH THE BUTTON. >> FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, IT WILL NOT NECESSARILY BECOME A BUILDING, THAT'S STILL A SEPARATE ISSUE THAT WE DECIDE DOWN THE ROAD. THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT. I THINK WE'RE KICKING THE CAN, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GOING TO KICK THE CAN IN ANY PARTICULAR DIRECTION. >> COMMISSIONER DUNNING. >> CAN YOU HEAR ME? A LOT OF GOOD COMMENTS HERE, AND I HEARD WHAT YOU SAID. AT THIS TIME, THOUGH, I GUESS WE'RE JUST CONSIDERING THE PROPOSAL TO UTILIZE THE LAND FOR SOMETHING. WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT IT IS, BUT I THINK WE KNOW WHAT IT IS. BUT AS FAR AS FOR THE SAKE OF THIS MEETING, I THINK EVERYTHING THAT RESIDENTS HAVE SAID SHOULD BE CONSIDERED, BUT THAT WILL BE CONSIDERED AT THE NET VENTURE OF THE NEXT MEETING AS FAR AS THE ACTUAL PURPOSE OF THE LAND. [00:40:04] >> THANK YOU. MR. GUISINGER. >> I KEEP TURNING THIS THING. CAN YOU HEAR ME? I AGREE. GOOD COMMENTS FROM ALL THE FOLKS HERE AND I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY COMING TONIGHT. BUT THESE SITE COMMENTS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AT OUR NEXT MEETING WHEN WE SEE THE SITE AND WHAT THE PLAN USE OF IT WILL BE. BUT I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS. LIKE SAID, THIS IS A REVIEW OF AN AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND NOT PUT JUDGMENT ON ANY TYPE OF USE FOR THE SITE AS A SITE PLAN. AGAIN, MANY COMMENTS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED FOR NEXT MEETING. NO OTHER COMMENTS FOR ME. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER THOMPSON. >> AS I'VE SAID, THIS IS ABOUT FUTURE LAND USE. I PERSONALLY HATE OPENING THE DOOR TO ANYTHING THAT IS GOING TO CREATE EVEN MORE OF AN ISSUE DOWN THE ROAD. THAT BEING SAID, I HAVE MY CONCERNS FOR PROPERTY VALUES IN THE AREA THROUGHOUT. OBVIOUSLY, EVERYBODY HERE IS IN AGREEMENT, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT THIS IS A LAND USE ISSUE. BUT FOR THE RESIDENTS AROUND THAT PARTICULAR AREA, I THINK THEY ALL HAVE THE PERCEPTION OR UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING ELSE DOWN THE ROAD THAT WILL AFFECT PROPERTY VALUES AND MORE THAN LIKELY IN AN ADVERSE WAY. AND I'M CONCERNED FOR THEM. NO FURTHER COMMENTS. >> COMMISSIONER VINSON. >> I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE LAND USE IS RECREATIONAL. WE WANT TO CHANGE IT TO INSTITUTIONAL. ANYTHING THAT YOU CHANGE IT TO INSTITUTIONAL-WISE, REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU THINK YOU MAY BUILD ON THERE OPENS THE DOOR. IT'S DEEMED AS RECREATIONAL NOW. IT SHOULD STAY AS RECREATIONAL AND IN ALL GOOD CONSCIENCE, I CAN'T VOTE TO CHANGE THAT. IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE AND THE PEOPLE WHO WERE DEPENDENT ON THAT BEING A PARK AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A PARK AND IT SHOULD STAY A PARK. >> COMMISSIONER KIRN. >> I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO THANK EVERYONE WHO MADE A COMMENT. IT WAS VERY HELPFUL AND VERY INSIGHTFUL AND VERY WELL MADE. I THINK YOU'VE MADE IT CLEAR THAT THE STATUS QUO IS WHAT YOU REALLY WANT TO PRESERVE. ANY CHANGE TO THE STATUS QUO WOULD BE PERCEIVED AS A THREAT IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER. I THINK YOU MADE YOUR POINT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. THERE ARE SO MANY GOOD COMMENTS TONIGHT AND SO GOOD INSIGHTS. AS SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS MENTIONED, IN MY OPINION, IT'S A LAND USE ISSUE, AND THE SITE SPECIFICS ARE SOMETHING WE CAN DEAL WITH IN THE NEXT MEETING. I THINK WE JUST NEED TO FOCUS ON OUR JOB, WHICH IS TO CONSIDER THE LAND USE CHANGE. WITH THAT, WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? >> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE FOCUS JUST AS COMMISSIONER KIRN SAID ON THE LAND USE ISSUE, AND OBVIOUSLY, THERE ARE SOME OTHER ITEMS THAT WILL HAVE TO BE WORKED ON AT THE NEXT HEARING AND MEETING. I'D LIKE TO PROCEED ON AT LEAST FOR THIS PORTION OF IT TO PROCEED ON, AND THEN WE WILL TALK ABOUT THE OTHER ISSUES THE NEXT TIME IT'S BROUGHT UP AT THE NEXT MEETING. >> THANK YOU. THE RECOMMENDATION IS MOTION TO APPROVE THE FUTURE LAND USE CHANGE? >> CORRECT. >> CAN I GET A SECOND ON THAT? >> I'LL SECOND. >> SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GUISINGER. ALL IN FAVOR? >> AYE. >> AYE. >> AYE. >> AYE. >> ALL OPPOSED. >> NAY. >>NAY. >> WE HAVE COMMISSIONER KEENAN, COMMISSIONER VINSON. COMMISSIONER THOMPSON. COMMISSIONER CASSATLY, HOW DO TO VOTE? >> I VOTED AYE. >> OKAY. ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR; FOUR TO THREE, IT PROVES. IS THAT WHAT I'M SEEING? >> WE CAN ALWAYS DO A ROLL CALL. I SAW THE THREE MEMBERS, THOMPSON, VINSON, AND KEENAN WERE OPPOSED TO THE MOTION. IS THAT CORRECT? >> CORRECT. >> ALL THE MEMBERS WERE IN FAVOR? >> CORRECT. >> OKAY. FOUR TO THREE. THE RECOMMENDATION FOR CHANGING THE LAND USE WILL GO FORWARD TO THE COUNCIL AT THEIR MEETING ON THE 18TH, NEXT TUESDAY, 7:00 PM, SAME LOCATION. THAT IS A TWO-STEP PROCESS. THERE'LL BE TWO HEARINGS BEFORE THE COUNCIL. IF THE COUNCIL VOTES TO APPROVE THAT ORDINANCE ON FIRST READING, IT WILL THEN BE SCHEDULED FOR THEIR JULY 16TH MEETING. >> THANK YOU. THE NEXT ITEM WE'VE GOT HERE IS THE STAFF UPDATE? [STAFF UPDATE] [00:45:04] >> YES. I HAVE A FEW ITEMS FOR YOU. THE SECOND READING OF THE TOWN INITIATED AMENDMENT TO INCREASE THE LINKAGE FEES WAS APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL. THE ALMA'S PLACE REZONING WAS APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL. THE KB CARLIN LAND USE THAT YOU HEARD, THE LAND USE AMENDMENT TO CHANGE TO MIXED USE WAS NOT SUPPORTED BY THE COUNCIL AND THE APPLICANT WITHDREW THEIR APPLICATION, AND THEN THE FOLLOWING DAY THEY WITHDREW THEIR PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT AND SITE PLAN APPLICATIONS. >> THAT WAS THE ONE JUST NORTH OF HARBORSIDE? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> INTERESTING. >> THEN THE REZONING TO CHANGE FROM GENERAL COMMERCIAL TO THE US ONE CORD OR WATERWAY COMMERCIAL ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT WAS APPROVED ON FIRST READING, AND THAT IS GOING TO NEXT WEEK'S MEETING FOR FINAL CONSIDERATION. >> THAT'S IT? >> THAT'S IT. >> VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. THE NEXT SCHEDULED PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING IS TUESDAY, JULY 9TH. PLEASE LET US KNOW IF YOU CANNOT ATTEND. I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? >> MOTION. >> SECOND. >> ALL IN FAVOR? >> AYE. >> ALL OPPOSED? THANK YOU, EVERYONE. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.