>> GOOD EVENING, I WOULD ASK EVERYBODY TO TAKE A SEAT.
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PLEASE AND IF YOU FEEL THE NEED TO HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS, WE'D APPRECIATE IT IF YOU GO OUTSIDE IN THE BACK AREA FOR THAT.THE TIME IS NOW 7 P.M. AND I'LL CALL TO ORDER THE TOWN COUNCIL MEETING OF OCTOBER 17TH.
[Call to Order]
WE'LL BEGIN WITH AN INVOCATION, FOLLOWED BY A MOMENT OF SILENCE, AND THEN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.>> DEAR GOD, PLEASE GUIDE OUR DELIBERATIONS AND DECISIONS TONIGHT WITH JUSTICE, UNITY, AND PEACE.
AMEN. LET'S HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
>> MAYBE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
>> MAYOR KORETSKY, VICE MAYOR GIULIANI.
COUNSELOR [FOREIGN], COUNSELOR MAY, COUNSELOR SANDSTROM HERE, TOWN MANAGER [FOREIGN], TOWN ATTORNEY BAIRD.
>> WE BEGIN TONIGHT WITH FIRST ITEM IS A PROCLAMATION FOR FLORIDA CITY GOVERNMENT WEEK.
[1. Florida City Government Week – October 16 – 22, 2023.]
THIS IS THE PROCLAMATION OF THE TOWN OF JUPITER, DECLARING THE WEEK OF OCTOBER 16TH TO 22ND AS FLORIDA CITY GOVERNMENT WEEK.WHERE CITY GOVERNMENT IS THE GOVERNMENT CLOSEST TO MOST CITIZENS AND THE ONE WITH THE MOST DAILY IMPACT UPON ITS RESONANCE.
WHERE A CITY GOVERNMENT IS ADMINISTERED FOR AND BY ITS CITIZENS AND IS DEPENDENT UPON PUBLIC COMMITMENT TO AND UNDERSTANDING OF ITS MANY RESPONSIBILITIES.
WHEREAS CITY GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS AND EMPLOYEES SHARE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO PASS ALONG THEIR UNDERSTANDING OF PUBLIC SERVICES AND THEIR BENEFITS.
WHERE OUR CITY GOVERNMENT WEEK IS A VERY IMPORTANT TIME TO RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANT ROLE PLAYED BY CITY GOVERNMENT AND ITS CONTRIBUTION TO THE QUALITY OF OUR LIVES.
WHEREAS THIS WEEK OFFERS AN IMPORTANT OPPORTUNITY TO SPREAD THE WORD TO ALL THE CITIZENS OF FLORIDA WHO MAKE CITIES GREAT PLACES TO LIVE, THAT THEY CAN SHAPE AND INFLUENCE THIS BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT, WHICH IS CLOSEST TO THE PEOPLE.
WHEREAS THE LEAGUE OF CITIES AND ITS MEMBER CITIES HAVE JOINED TOGETHER TO TEACH STUDENTS AND OTHER CITIZENS ABOUT MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENTS THROUGH A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS AND INFORMATION.
WHEREAS FLORIDA CITY GOVERNMENT WEEK OFFERS AN IMPORTANT OPPORTUNITY TO CONVEY TO ALL CITIZENS OF FLORIDA THAT THEY CAN SHAPE AND INFLUENCE GOVERNMENT THROUGH THEIR CIVIC INVOLVEMENT.
WHEREAS THE TOWN OF JUPITER DOES ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS, CITY GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, AND EMPLOYEES TO DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO ENSURE THAT THIS WEEK IS RECOGNIZED AND CELEBRATED ACCORDINGLY.
WHEREAS THE TOWN OF JUPITER DOES RECOGNIZE EDUCATIONAL PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN CITY GOVERNMENT AND OUR SCHOOLS.
WHEREAS THE TOWN OF JUPITER DOES SUPPORT AND ENCOURAGE ALL CITY GOVERNMENTS TO ACTIVELY PROMOTE AND SPONSOR FLORIDA CITY GOVERNMENT WEEK.
NOW THEREFORE, I, JIM KORETSKY, MAYOR OF THE TOWN OF JUPITER, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE WEEK OF OCTOBER 16 TO 22, 2023 AS FLORIDA CITY GOVERNMENT WEEK IN THE TOWN OF JUPITER AND ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS TO SUPPORT THE CELEBRATION AND CORRESPONDING ACTIVITIES.
IN WITNESS THERE ARE ADHERING TO SIT IN MY HAND, AND SEAL THIS 17TH DAY OF OCTOBER, 2023, I GUESS I ASKED US ONTO OUR TOWN MANAGER.
MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, CITIZEN COMMENTS.
[CITIZEN COMMENTS]
THIS IS FOR NON AGENDA ITEMS, AND ARE LIMITED TO 3 MINUTES.ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK IS ASKED TO STATE HIS OR HER NAME FOR THE RECORD, NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PRIOR TO ADDRESSING TOWN COUNCIL, COUNCIL WILL NOT DISCUSS THESE ITEMS THIS EVENING.
ANY ISSUES WILL BE REFERRED TO STAFF FOR INVESTIGATION AND FOLLOW UP WITH COUNCIL AND CITIZENS WILL BE CONTACTED WITH THAT.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS NON AGENDA?
>> YES, MAYOR, PERSONALLY I HAVE VERONICA, CARMELLA, AND THEN TERI GROOMS.
>> READY. GO AHEAD. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN 30 YEARS THAT I'VE ADDRESSED THE COUNCIL.
LAST WEEK, I WENT ON THE TOWN OF
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JUPITER'S WEBSITE AND TOOK THE CODE OF ETHICS TRAINING WITH CHRISTY KELLY, CAM, I REALIZED THAT YOU MUST BE UNDER ENORMOUS PRESSURE WITH ALL THE FOLKS IN WHITE SHIRTS HERE TONIGHT.I DID SPEAK TO THE PALM BEACH COUNTY COMMISSION ON ETHICS THEY ARE SPECIFICALLY VAGUE.
THEY CAN ONLY MAKE AN ADVISORY OPINION WHEN YOU ASK FOR ONE.
PEOPLE KEEP POSTING ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
THE JULY MEMO THAT STATES YOU DON'T HAVE TO RECUSE YOURSELF BECAUSE YOU DON'T WORK IN JUPITER, TRUE AT THAT TIME.
BUT NOW THAT YOU DO AND ARE ALSO ON THE UNION BOARD, MAYBE YOU SHOULD SEEK A SECOND ADVISORY OPINION.
YES, I ELECTIONED FOR YOU, I DONATED TO YOUR CAMPAIGN AND I VOTED FOR YOU.
NOW CHERYL, WHO'S NO LONGER HERE I ELECTIONED YEAR FOR HER AND VOTED FOR HER TWO TIMES.
COINCIDENTALLY, IT WAS AT THE FIRE STATION WHERE MEMBERS HELD UP SIGNS FOR HER OPPONENT.
I WAS TOLD BY MEMBERS THAT THEY JUST DO WHAT THEY'RE TOLD TO DO AND THAT THEY DON'T EVEN LIVE IN PALM BEACH COUNTY.
IF THE CAPTAIN SAYS GO OUT AND HOLD SIGNS, THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
CHERYL, SHE LEFT THE COUNCIL AND IS VERY VOCAL ABOUT THIS ISSUE ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
PERHAPS SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE RESIGNED IF SHE HAS SUCH STRONG OPINIONS.
PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE CERTAINLY DIDN'T HAVE A HIGH OPINION OF HER.
JIM, ON MONDAY MORNING, WHEN I WROTE DOWN LONG SHORE DRIVE, I COUNTED 32 FIRE RESCUE SIGNS.
THEN I FIND OUT THAT ADDITIONAL SIGNS JUST HAPPENED TO BE PLACED IN FRONT OF YOUR RESIDENTS AND CUL-DE-SAC.
ALL OF THAT WAS DONE FOR AN AUDIENCE OF ONE, YOU.
THIS IS NOTHING LESS THAN HARASSMENT, WHICH SEEMS TO BE A TEMPER OF THE TIMES.
I AM SO SORRY THAT YOU HAVE TO BE TARGETED BY A BUNCH OF BULLIES.
I DON T KNOW HOW YOU DO IT, BUT YOU ALWAYS RISE ABOVE THE FRAY AND YES, I VOTED FOR YOU TOO.
PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTERS, PARAMEDICS OF PALM BEACH COUNTY LOCAL 29, 28.
THIS WHOLE ISSUE COMES DOWN TO MONEY.
I SEE IT AS A FLEECING OF JUPITER.
YOU SAY THAT JUPITER WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT YOU CAN, BUT WHAT YOU REALLY MEAN IS THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO LOSE THE FUNDING THAT YOU WANT TO GET FROM US.
MAYBE IF YOU WERE MORE REASONABLE IN YOUR GREEDINESS, WE WOULDN'T BE IN THIS SITUATION.
HOW MUCH MONEY ARE YOU INVESTING AND FIGHTING TO STAY IN JUPITER? SIGNS, MAILINGS, T-SHIRTS, THAT ALL COSTS A BUNCH.
YOU RALLY YOUR TROOPS AND THEY BLINDLY DO WHAT YOU ORDERED THEM TO DO.
WE HAD A DREAM TEAM COUNCIL, IN MY OPINION, AND YOU HAVE COME IN AND RUINED IT.
IF I STRUCK A NERVE, I SUPPOSE I'LL HAVE A LITANY OF SIGNS IN FRONT OF MY HOME TOMORROW.
IF TO CUESTA, PALM BEACH GARDENS AND OTHER SURROUNDING AREAS CAN SUCCESSFULLY FORM THEIR OWN FIRE RESCUE, I HAVE NO DOUBT JUPITER CAN DO IT AND DO IT WITH EXCELLENCE.
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I FEEL THIS IS GOING TO BE JUPITER'S FINEST HOUR. THANK YOU.
>> TERI GROOMS, AND THEN ERIC BRESLER.
>> WELL, ISN'T THIS A FINE KETTLE OF FISH WE FOUND OURSELVES IN.
I'M GOING TO TALK TO THE COUNCIL OF THREE TONIGHT.
IN THE MONTHS SINCE THE LAST ELECTION, WE HAVE SEEN THIS COUNCIL DISSOLVE INTO A MINI AUTOCRACY OR THE OPINIONS OF THREE PEOPLE ARE ALL THAT MATTERS.
IN THE PAST WEEKS, THERE'S BEEN A MULTITUDE OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME TO MEETINGS TO ASK QUESTIONS AND PRESENT THEIR EXPERIENCE REGARDING THE DECISION TO CREATE A NEW FIRE DEPARTMENT IN THE TOWN OF JUPITER.
BUT INSTEAD OF ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS AND TAKING THE ADVICE GIVEN, YOU HAVE ENGAGED IN A SOCIAL MEDIA CAMPAIGN TO FIND ANY REASON WHY YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE TO LISTEN TO OR ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS.
YOU CAN DUNK ON THE UNION AND TROLL SOCIAL MEDIA TO FIND OUT WHERE SOMEONE LIVES AND THE ATTEMPTED DISCOUNT THEIR CONCERNS AND AVOID ANSWERING QUESTIONS.
ALL YOU WANT. BUT YOU CAN'T USE THAT ON ME.
BUT YOU CAN'T USE THAT ON ME, I DON'T WORK FOR PALM BEACH COUNTY.
I DON'T BELONG TO A UNION AND I AM FOR SURE A TAX-PAYING PROPERTY OWNER IN THE TOWN OF JUPITER.
I'VE LIVED IN JUPITER LONGER THAN THE THREE OF YOU COMBINED.
ALL OF THIS RESISTANCE ONLY SERVES TO MAKE YOU LOOK WEAK, INSECURE, AND DESPERATE.
AS A JUPITER RESIDENT, I DON'T CARE WHERE YOU WORK OR IF YOU BELONG TO A UNION OR WHERE YOU LIVE.
THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE BEING ASKED AND THE CONCERNS BEING RAISED ARE THE SAME QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS I HAVE, AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET HONEST ANSWERS.
MR. MAYOR, YOUR ARGUMENT FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS STARTING TO CRUMBLE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13 ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, ONLY PROVES THAT POINT FOR ME, BUT I'LL SAVE THOSE SLOTS FOR LATER.
ALSO IN DISPUTE IS THE TOWN HAS OPTIONS FOR LOCATIONS OF THE THREE STATIONS.
MAYOR KORETSKY GAVE HIM HIS HYPOTHETICAL, FOR EXAMPLE, OPTION OF TAKING STATION 18.
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THAT OPTION WAS NEVER A CONSIDERATION.CHIEF KENNEDY HAS VERIFIED THAT IN A LETTER TO PERSONNEL.
THERE WAS ALSO A QUESTION OF TAKING OVER STATION 16 AND THAT MIGHT BE IN QUESTION NOW, SO WHAT IS IT? HOW MANY STATIONS WILL WE HAVE TO BUY LAND FOR 2,3.
THE TECHNICAL REPORT ALSO STATES THAT THERE MIGHT BE A NEED FOR A FOURTH STATION. WHAT IS IT? ARE WE GETTING 2,3,4? THE QUESTION STILL REMAINS, WHERE'S THE MONEY COMING FROM? WHAT DEPARTMENT ARE YOU GOING TO RAID? WHAT LOANS ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE OUT? MAYOR KORETSKY, I HOPE AS YOU EMBARK ON YOUR DAMAGE CONTROL TOUR OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND ATRIAL WAYS, THAT YOU ARE PREPARED TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS AND NOT JUST CONTINUE TO PEDAL THE PROPAGANDA THAT HAS BEEN CLEARLY SHOWN TO BE UNTRUE.
THERE WAS A TIME TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC AND THAT WAS 16 MONTHS AGO, BUT YOU KNOW THAT, DON'T YOU? THERE'S AN OLD SAYING, EXAMINE EVERYTHING YOU ARE TOLD AND DISMISS WHAT INSULTS YOUR SOUL.
AND THIS MY FRIENDS CERTAINLY INSULTS MY SOUL. [APPLAUSE]
>> GOOD EVENING. MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL AND OTHERS.
MY NAME IS ERIC BRESLER AND I LIVE AT 141 EAST RIVERSIDE DRIVE IN JUPITER, WHICH IS INSIDE THE TOWN OF JUPITER BOUNDARIES, AND I VOTE IN EVERY ELECTION.
I VOTED FOR MANY OF YOU ON THE STAGE TONIGHT.
I DO NOT HAVE ANY FRIENDS OR RELATIVES THAT WORKED FOR PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE.
THIS SHIRT WAS GIVEN TO ME AT THE LAST MEETING JUST TO SUPPORT THEM.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR.
IT IS WELL PAST TIME FOR THE TOWN OFFICIALS TO HIT THE PAUSE BUTTON ON THIS PLAN TO START OUR OWN FIRE DEPARTMENT.
CLEARLY, THERE ARE FINER POINTS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN CONSIDERED THOROUGHLY, LIKE THE TRUE COST OF FIRE VEHICLES AND OUTFITTING THEM.
IN MY VIEW AND THE VIEW OF MANY OTHERS, THE COUNCIL SHOULD POSTPONE TONIGHT'S CONSENT AGENDA ITEM RESEND THE NOTICE OF TERMINATION FOR PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE CONTRACT AND PUT OUT A NEW RFP TO GET A SECOND OPINION FROM A FIRM WITHOUT CLOSE TIES TO TOWN MANAGEMENT ABOUT THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH STARTING OUR OWN FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THEN HOLD REAL WORKSHOPS WITH THE PUBLIC TO FULLY INFORM THEM AND MAKE SURE THE PLAN IS FULLY VETTED AND THEN GIVE THE RESIDENTS A SAY, LET THEM VOTE ON THIS.
THIS ISN'T JUST ABOUT NUMBERS, OR 50 OR $80 OF SOMEBODY'S TAXES.
THIS IS ABOUT SAVING LIVES IN JUPITER, THAT PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE DOES EVERY SINGLE DAY.
I THANK YOU FOR THE TIME AND I HOPE YOU LISTENED TO THE PAYPAL OF TOWN OF JUPITER.
>> WOMAN MCDERMOTT FROM ANDY WESTERN.
PEOPLE LINDA MCDERMOTT, 107 CHADWICK DRIVE.
I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE FLORIDA CITY GOVERNMENT WEIGHT BECAUSE I HAD BEEN A GOVERNMENT SERVICE PROVIDER FOR 33 YEARS.
I WOULD LIKE US TO BE REMINDED THAT WE NEED TO STAND TOGETHER IN UNITY.
THAT MEANS WORKING WITH THE COUNTY, THE STATE, THE PEOPLE OF JUPITER, ALL OF US TOGETHER.
THAT'S WHAT WE DO FOR DISASTERS AND HURRICANE.
LET'S DO IT ALL THE TIME, PLEASE.
WE WANT TO MAKE US BETTER AS ONE COUNTY.
LET'S ENCOURAGE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES TO DO THE SAME.
I REALLY HAVE NO DOUBT THAT PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE WILL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE US WELL WITH SERVICES THROUGH THE THREE YEARS AND AFTER IF WE NEED IT.
I DO HAVE DOUBTS ABOUT A NEW FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT A NEW FIRE DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO BRING US FOR AT LEAST 5-6 YEARS IS NO WAY THE BIG COMPARATIVE TO WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
THERE ARE TOO MANY UNKNOWNS AS YOU SEE, AS I STATED IN THE LAST TWO COUNCIL MEETINGS, I KNOW THE EXACT COST OR THE FIRE EQUIPMENT, APPARATUS, THE PEOPLE.
WHAT YOU'RE PRESENTING TONIGHT WILL SHOW THAT.
THIS CAN HAPPEN WITH ANYTHING, WHETHER IT'S A NEW FIRE DEPARTMENT OR A CAPITAL PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.
I'M NOT BLAMING THE COUNCIL FOR THE PRICES THAT WENT UP.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO IDENTIFY IS THE PRICES WERE KNOWN IN APRIL.
I WANT TO KNOW WHY THERE WAS A BUDGET AMENDMENT DONE IN OCTOBER 3RD AND NOW REQUESTING AGAIN.
I REALLY BELIEVE YOU NEED TO WORK WITH US AND DETAIL THE BUDGET AND EVERYTHING AND PLEASE POSTPONE THIS.
THANK YOU FOR IDENTIFYING ALL OF OUR GROUPS AND THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BROUGHT THIS TO THE ATTENTION OF THE PUBLIC, TO THE COUNCIL, TO OUR CITIZENS, OUR NEIGHBORS.
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IT'S OKAY. YOU CAN RECOGNIZE ME AND EVERYBODY ELSE.BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE OUR COUNCIL AS A COUNCIL WHO MADE A TURN AROUND.
BECAUSE YOU SEE NOW THAT WELL, MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE LISTENED, MAYBE SHOULDN'T.
COULD WE PLEASE RECONSIDER? DON'T MAKE US HAVE TO WAIT FOR AN ELECTION.
>> GOOD EVENING, ANDY WESTERN, 949 DOLPHIN.
IS BRIAN WHITE THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT? BRIAN CAME WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS.
HE'S THE ONE GUY WHO'S CLEARLY ENACTED FIREFIGHTER.
HE WASN'T GOING TO BE SO ACTIVE VERY LONG.
I CALLED HIM UP AFTER THE MEETING AND I GOT TO TELL YOU, VERY IMPRESSIVE GUY, FIREFIGHTER, MUNICIPAL FIREFIGHTER.
YOU DIDN'T WORK FOR THE COUNTY.
HE WORKS FOR THE CITY OF HOLLYWOOD AND HE'S A BATTALION CHIEF.
I COULDN'T DO ANYMORE IMPRESSED WITH THE GUY WHO OUTLINED FOR YOU ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO DO.
THIS GUY WAS A BATTALION CHIEF.
I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYBODY ANY OF THESE OTHER FIREFIGHTERS GET UP HERE AS A LOT OF OTHER GUYS WEARING WHITE SHIRTS, BUT I AM SEEING THE FIREFIGHTERS.
I'VE SEEN FATHERS, I'VE SEEN WIVES, BUT I'M SEEING THE FIREFIGHTERS.
I HEARD SOMEBODY SAID THAT THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATOR IS HERE.
THE NAME IS MR. CANNON HERE? NO. HE'S NOT EVEN HERE.
HE SPOKE AT THE MEETING AND OF COURSE HE WAS I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE SAID.
AS FAR AS QUESTIONS AND STUFF GO, THIS STUFF IS POSTED ON THE WEBSITE.
IF YOU'VE GOT QUESTIONS AND SUPPORT FOR THE DECISION YOU MADE, I'VE BEEN LOOKING ON A WEBSITE AND I WOULD SAY IT'S PRETTY COMPLETE.
THE PROJECTIONS ARE PROJECTIONS, THAT'S TRUE.
BUT THE COST OF PRETTY WELL SET AND YOU ADD THEM ALL UP AND THEN YOU SET THE MILLAGE RATE AND TAXPAYERS PAY FOR IT. I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT.
I'M STILL THINK YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB AND YES, YOU DID STUDY THIS.
I WASN'T SURE ABOUT THE 18 MONTHS.
YOU'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR 18 MONTHS.
I CHECKING IN EVERY NOW AND THEN, I DIDN'T GET MY FINGER IN THE PIE.
I DID PUT UP IS LISTENING AND WHAT WAS GOING ON.
I DIDN'T THINK YOU'D MAKE THE DECISION BECAUSE IN THE POLITICAL SPHERE, YOU GOT FOLKS GET UPSET WITH YOU BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T LIKE CHANGE, WELL, I THINK HE MADE THE RIGHT DECISION.
MUNICIPAL WHY DON'T WE SEND OUR POLICE AWAY AND GO WITH THE SHERIFF? WELL, WE LIKE OUR CHIEF HERE.
WE LIKE THAT THE SERVICES THAT YOU GUYS PROVIDE TO US AND WE LIKE THE FACT THAT WE CAN COME UP AND TALK TO ANYBODY HERE, GONE DOWN AND TALK TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION? DON'T KNOW.
ANYWAY. I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ALL ARE DOING.
I APPRECIATE YOU LISTENING TO ME.
BY THE WAY, I'M STILL ABOUT DOLPHIN DRIVE.
BRIAN WHITE MENTIONED THAT BY THE WAY, THAT HE HE HAS TO BACK OUT OF SOME ROADS IN HOLLYWOOD AND GO DOWN SIDE STREETS.
IT'LL GET YOU TO DOLPHIN DRIVE. THANK YOU.
>> KAREN SIMPSON THEN NANCY GONZALEZ.
>> HI, KAREN VINSON, 1003C STREET.
I'M NOT VERY PREPARED TONIGHT.
I'VE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND UNLIMITED.
BE EXTREMELY LIMITED TODAY I'M GOING TO TRY AND GET AN ANSWER TO A CUP JUST TWO QUESTIONS.
WHAT'S THE SUNSHINE LAW? SUNSHINE LAW PROVIDES ACCESS ACROSS GOVERNMENTAL PROCEEDINGS AND STATE AND LOCAL LEVELS AND COUNCIL.
ANYTIME THAT TWO OR MORE MEMBERS OF THOSE COUNCILS OR BOARDS MEET TO DISCUSS ANYTHING, THEN IT SHOULD BE PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE.
ESPECIALLY IF THE MATTER IS GOING TO BE SEEN IN BEING UP FOR ELECTION IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.
MY QUESTION IS, HOW IS A SOCIAL MEDIA ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT JUPITER'S FIRE DEPARTMENT PUT OUT MINUTES AFTER THE AUGUST 15TH MEETING WHEN THE VOTE WAS NOT EVEN ON THE AGENDA TO BE DONE.
I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THAT COMMUNICATION WAS BETWEEN THE TOWN MEMBERS.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW DID THE TOWN ABLE TO PUT OUT A SOCIAL MEDIA BLITZ BROADCASTING THAT YOU'VE DECIDED TO DO A FIRE DEPARTMENT MINUTES AFTER A MEETING WHEN IT WAS NOT EVEN ON THE AGENDA AS A DECISION TO BE VOTED ON.
HOW WOULD I KNOW AS A PERSON WHO WORKS FULL-TIME JOB,
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TAKES CARE OF MY MOTHER AND EVERYBODY AT ANYTHING ELSE IN MY FAMILY TO KNOW TO GO CHECK THE WEBSITE EVERY TWO SECONDS TO SEE WHAT YOU'RE DOING? THE SOCIAL MEDIA BLITZ THAT YOU GUYS HAVE PUT ON SINCE THIS WHEN YOU'VE GOTTEN THE BACK LASH FROM THE CITIZENS OF JUPITER IS AMAZING.HAD YOU PUT THAT UP BEFORE, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE HAD MORE DISCUSSION AND YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET A BETTER INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY.
I'M NOT SAYING I'M 100% AGAINST AT DOING ANYTHING, I'M AGAINST THE WAY THAT THIS WHOLE COUNCIL WENT ABOUT DOING IT.
YOU VOTED WHEN THERE WASN'T A VOTE, YOU VOTED ON A PRESENTATION ITEM, THE TOWN MANAGER HAD TO COME BACK AND ASK YOU, WAS THAT REALLY A VOTE? WHERE ON EARTH DOES THAT HAPPEN? THAT'S INAPPROPRIATE, FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
YOU GUYS WANTED TO TALK ABOUT TRANSPARENCY.
THAT RIGHT THERE IS MY BIGGEST ISSUE WITH TRANSPARENCY.
I SEE NO TRANSPARENCY WITH THAT.
MY TWO BIGGEST ISSUES ARE YOU VOTING AND NOT USING PROPER PROCEDURES AND I DON T KNOW IT PROPER PROCEDURES ARE.
I'M LEARNING THIS AS I GO JUST BECAUSE NOW I'M INTERESTED IN WHAT'S RIGHT AND WHAT MY RIGHTS ARE.
I'D LIKE TO LEARN MORE. I'VE SENT EMAILS.
I'VE NOT GOT ONE EMAIL BACK FROM ANY ONE OF YOU. NOT ONE.
IF SOMEBODY IS LEGIT ASKING NEW QUESTIONS, ANSWER THEM.
TELL THEM WHY YOU DID WHAT YOU DID.
EXPLAIN HOW YOU VOTED WHEN THERE WASN'T ANYTHING ON THERE TO BE VOTED ON.
LACK OF COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT IN DECISION-MAKING THAT'S MY BIGGEST PROBLEM.
>> HELLO. MY NAME IS NANCY GONZALEZ.
MY HUSBAND, TWIN DAUGHTERS AND I LIVE IN THE SHORES OF JUPITER 18830 MISTY LAKE DRIVE.
I AM NOT HAPPY ABOUT THE TOWN'S DECISION TO CANCEL THE CONTRACT WITH PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE AND I'M ALSO DISAPPOINTED THAT THIS DECISION WAS MADE WITHOUT DISCUSSION AND ENGAGEMENT WITH JUPITER RESIDENTS FIRST.
I DID EMAIL THE MAYOR TWO MONTHS AGO WITH SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THIS ISSUE BUT RESPECTFULLY, I HAVE NOT RECEIVED A RESPONSE OR ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF RECEIPT TO THIS DATE.
THE LEVEL OF PROTECTION A SMALL STARTUP DEPARTMENT CAN PROVIDE IS WORLDS APART FROM PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE.
PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE IS ISO RATED CLASS 1, WHICH PUTS IT IN THE TOP 0.01% OF FIRE DEPARTMENTS NATIONALLY.
THESE RATINGS ARE WHAT INSURANCE COMPANIES USED TO DETERMINE OUR PREMIUMS FOR OUR PROPERTY INSURANCE.
IT WOULD TAKE YEARS AND YEARS FOR A SMALL STARTUP OPERATION LIKE JUPITER TO HAVE EVEN A HOPE AND A PRAYER OF ATTAINING THAT TYPE OF RATING.
FOR EXAMPLE, PALM BEACH COUNTY CURRENTLY HAS THREE BRUSH CHUCK SITUATED IN JUPITER.
MAKES SENSE GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF NATURE PRESERVES IN OUR AREA.
OUR HOMES IN THE SHORES AND MANY OTHER JUPITER NEIGHBORHOODS ARE ADJACENT TO PRESERVE.
THE TOWN HAS BUDGETED $0 TOWARDS BRUSH CHUCKS.
THAT PUTS US AT RISK AND IT'S NO MYSTERY THE IMPACT THAT WILL HAVE ON OUR INSURANCE RATES.
ALSO, THE TOWN'S BUDGET REFLECTS LOWER FIREFIGHTER PAY, FEWER BENEFITS, LONGER HOURS, FEWER PERSONNEL PER RESCUE TRUCK, AND FEWER OPPORTUNITIES FOR ADVANCEMENT COMPARED TO PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE.
BASICALLY, A JUPITER DEPARTMENT WOULD BE A DEPARTMENT OF INEXPERIENCED NEWBIES WHO COULDN'T GET HIRED WITH THE COUNTY, WHO WILL LEAVE AT THE VERY FIRST OPPORTUNITY.
THEY CERTAINLY WON'T BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO LIVE HERE AND BE PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.
THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO'VE BEEN SERVING OUR AREA ARE EXPERTLY TRAINED AND EXPERIENCED PROFESSIONALS AND THEY ARE EQUIPPED TO LITERALLY RESPOND TO ANY EMERGENCY THAT YOUR MIND CAN CONCEIVE OF.
THAT WILL NOT BE THE CASE FOR A JUPITER DEPARTMENT.
WE DON'T NEED TO LOOK FURTHER BACK THAN 2019 WHEN 100 JUPITER POLICE OFFICERS ATTENDED A COUNCIL MEETINGS TO PETITION THE COUNCIL FOR FAIR WAGES.
THE TOWN STATED THAT THEY OWN JUST ONE FIRE STATION AND RECENTLY I'VE LEARNED THAT EVEN THAT MAY BE DISPUTED.
THE TOWN WILL NEED TO ACQUIRE LAND, BUILT AN OUTFIT 2-3 STATIONS, AND THESE STATIONS ARE NOT CHEAP.
FOR REFERENCE, A NEW STATION AND RIVIERA BEACH COST $20 MILLION AND WE'LL NEED 2-3 OF THESE.
IT REALLY MAKES THE TOWN $68 MILLION BUDGET, LOOK MILES AWAY FROM THE ACTUAL COST TO TAXPAYERS.
LET ME ALSO REGISTER MY DISAPPROVAL OF BUILDING ON RESERVE GREEN SPACE IN THIS INQUEST PARK AREA, WHICH I HEARD WAS UNDER DISCUSSION.
FOR THESE REASONS AND OTHERS, I'M OPPOSED TO BREAKING AWAY WITH THE COUNTY AND OUR RESPECTFULLY ASK THE BOARD TO PAUSE BEFORE SPENDING ANY MORE OF OUR MONEY.
ENGAGE WITH CITIZENS ABOUT THE ISSUE.
LET'S PUT IT ON THE BALLOT IN 2024 AND LET RESIDENTS HAVE THEIR SAY AT THE BALLOT BOX.
>> CHELSEA GASP AND LISA ROWLAND.
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>> HELLO. MY NAME IS CHELSEA GASP AND I LIVE AT BRETTON WOOD NORTH.
WE'RE DISGUSTED WITH THE POWER HUNGRY CHOICES YOU ARE MAKING.
SINCE A FEW OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS DECIDED TO GO ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND TRY TO BULLY THE RESIDENTS FOR DISAGREEING WITH YOUR CHOICES, I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION ABOUT ME.
MY NAME IS CHELSEA, MY HUSBAND'S NAME IS CHRIS.
WE HAVE THREE BEAUTIFUL YOUNG BOYS.
I WAS AT PALM BEACH COUNTY TEACHER BEFORE I BECAME A STAY HOME MOM.
MY HUSBAND WORKS FOR PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE.
HOWEVER, HE IS NOT STATIONED IN JUPITER AND IF THIS CHANGE HAPPENS, HE WILL NOT HAVE THIS P WILL HAVE ZERO IMPACT ON MY HUSBAND'S STATUS OR PAY.
HOWEVER, AS A TAX-PAYING CITIZEN OF JUPITER, WE WILL BE EXTREMELY AFFECTED.
MY FAMILY UNFORTUNATELY HAD A TRAUMATIC MEDICAL EMERGENCY THAT LEAD US TO WITNESS HOW INCREDIBLE PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE SERVICE TRULY IS ON OUR WORST DAY.
I HAD A SENSE OF SECURITY KNOWING THAT IN ESTABLISHED FOR PROFESSIONALLY TRAINED AND EXPERIENCED RESCUE SERVICE WAS WATCHING OVER MY SON UNTIL WE MADE IT TO THE HOSPITAL.
I HOPE YOU'RE NEVER EXPERIENCED A MEDICAL EMERGENCY.
BUT IF YOU HAVE, YOU WOULD KNOW HOW INCREDIBLE WE HAVE IT AND I WOULD HOPE YOU WOULD THINK TWICE IN CREATING A FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT WILL BE LESS EFFICIENT AND TRAINED, AND EXPERIENCED AS PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE.
THE DECISION YOU ARE MAKING WITHOUT THE INPUT OF TAX-PAYING CITIZENS OF JUPITER IS RECKLESS AND DANGEROUS.
I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE AWARE, BUT JUST TODAY AT 3:00 PM, THERE WERE FIVE ACTIVE CALLS GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME IN THE TOWN OF JUPITER, AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE CALLS REQUIRED MULTIPLE UNITS.
THANK YOU, PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE FOR HAVING ENOUGH UNITS AND MOVING THEM UP TO COME OVER AND HELP OUR JUPITER RESIDENTS.
JUST TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY, WHEN THE CONTRACT FOR OUR GARBAGE PICKUP WAS ENDING, THE TOWN GOT THREE PROPOSALS FOR THE BEST PRICE BUT WITH THIS HUGE CHANGE, YOU ONLY HARD ONE CONSULTANT TO RUN NUMBERS FOR THE FIRE RESCUE I MENTIONED SERVICE TO CREATE FROM SCRATCH.
THIS WILL CAUSE THE RESIDENTS A LOT MORE MONEY THAN WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US.
YOU ARE MAKING QUICK, IRRATIONAL DECISIONS. WE DESERVE A VOTE.
THE CHOICE YOU'RE MAKING ARE GOING TO AFFECT EVERY RESIDENT IN THIS TOWN AND EVERY RESIDENT DESERVES A CHOICE.
THE PETITION THAT I ENCOURAGE EVERY RESIDENT DESIGN IS GOING TO GIVE US OUR OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE AND TO KEEP PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE.
YOU ARE SITTING HERE IN ELECTED POSITIONS AND YOU ARE ABUSING YOUR POWER.
>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS LISA ROWLAND AND I LIVE IN THE HEIGHTS.
I DON'T WORK FOR PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE NOR AM I A MEMBER OF THE UNION.
NOT THAT THAT SHOULD MATTER, BUT APPARENTLY IT IS AN ISSUE FOR MOST OF YOU SITTING UP THERE SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
I'M JUST ONE OF MANY CONCERNED RESIDENTS THAT GOT UPSET WITH THE COUNCIL AND FELT HELPLESS AS WE STOOD AND WATCHED THE COUNCIL RAM A DECISION DOWN OUR THROATS THAT NONE OF US WANT.
WE REACHED OUT TO FIRE RESCUE FOR HELP, AND THEY CAME TO OUR RESCUE ONCE AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO START BY MENTIONING SOME COMMENTS MADE BY VICE MAYOR DELANEY ON THE MAYOR'S FACEBOOK POST.
SINCE THE VICE MAYOR WILL ONLY MAKE HIS COMMENTS ONLINE AND NOT ON ANY RECORD HERE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE MENTION OF IT, ESPECIALLY SINCE HE ONLY APPEARS TO TARGET OR RESPONSE TOWARDS ME.
ON TUESDAY, OCTOBER 10TH, JIM KORETSKY POSTED ON THE FACEBOOK PAGE, THE JUPITER LOCAL.
HE RE-POSTED A POST FROM HIS OFFICIAL MAYOR PAGE.
THIS POST HIGHLIGHTED THE EMAIL THE TOWNS SENT REGARDING JUPITER FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT.
FOR WHATEVER REASON, VICE MAYOR DELANEY TOOK IT UPON HIMSELF TO REPLY TO THE MAYOR'S POSTS AND TAG ME IN IT THE NEXT DAY.
I THOUGHT TWO COUNCILOR'S VOTE SUPPOSED TO RESPOND TO EACH OTHER REGARDLESS OF WHO YOU ADDRESS IT TO.
I RECOMMEND ANYONE HERE TONIGHT, ARE THOSE WATCHING TO GO READ THE POST IN ITS ENTIRETY, AS I ONLY HAVE TIME FOR A FEW HIGHLIGHTS.
THE VICE MAYOR IS REPLY DIRECTED AT ME.
HE SAID, PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHY YOU ARE SO BEHOLDEN TO THE COUNTY AND NOT THE TAXPAYERS OF JUPITER.
FOR ONE, I DON'T HAVE TO EXPLAIN ANYTHING TO YOU.
I'M A JUPITER RESIDENT, I'M NOT BEHOLDEN TO ANYONE.
I JUST WANT WHAT IS BEST FOR MY FAMILY AND MY FELLOW RESIDENTS, WHICH IS SOMETHING YOU SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON.
PERHAPS VICE MAYOR, THE BETTER QUESTION TO ASK IS, WHY ARE YOU SO BEHOLDEN TO THE MAYOR AND HIS LEGACY PROJECT INSTEAD OF JUPITER RESIDENTS.
NEXT POINT, PLEASE DON'T INSULT MY INTELLIGENCE WITH ALL THE SAFETY SCARE TACTICS RHETORIC.
THE ONLY RHETORIC THAT I HEAR IS COMING FROM YOU AND TWO OTHERS SAYING,
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TRUST ME, IT'S GOING TO BE JUST AS GOOD AND IF NOT BETTER.YOU CAN'T DO THAT BY YEAR 1 OR EVEN BY YEAR 4, WE DESERVE BETTER.
I DON'T EVER BELIEVE A POLITICIAN THAT SAYS, TRUST ME, ESPECIALLY WITH NO SUPPORTING EVIDENCE.
NEXT POINT, HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT JUPITER POLICE DEPARTMENT IT'S WORLD-CLASS? USER ARE COMPARING APPLES TO ORANGES, PROVING ONCE AGAIN THAT YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY.
I GUESS YOU MUST HAVE FORGOTTEN WHEN THE POLICE OFFICERS WERE IN HERE IN THESE VERY CHAMBERS RIGHTFULLY ASKING FOR VACANCIES TO BE FILLED, TRAINING TIME AND OVERTIME PAY, AND THIS WAS UNDER YOUR LEADERSHIP.
YOUR SETTING US ON A COURSE FOR HISTORY TO REPEAT ITSELF, HAVE YOU LEARNED NOTHING? WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF INSANITY? NEXT POINT, AND PERHAPS MY FAVORITE, THE TOJ, WILL BUILD FUND AND MAINTAIN A FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT WILL BECOME THE ENVY OF THE COUNTY.
OUR STARTUP FIRE DEPARTMENT WITH TOOT OR TRUCKS WILL NEVER BE THE ENVY OF A WORLD RENOWNED FIRE AGENCY.
CHIEF KENNEDY OUTLINED IN HIS MEMO THAT THERE ARE NO PLANS TO NEGOTIATE STATION 18 SO WHY ARE YOU PLANNING ON PUTTING THIS NBS DEPARTMENT YOU SPEAK UP? LASTLY, YOU SAID, HOW ABOUT A LITTLE PRIDE IN YOUR TOWN HAVING THE COURAGE TO TACKLE A HEAVY LIFT FOR THE BETTERMENT OF FUTURE GENERATIONS.
THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE AN EASY ONE, BUT I HAVE ALL THE CONFIDENCE AND THE LEADERS OF OUR TOWN TO GET IT DONE.
IF YOU COULDN'T TELL, I DON'T HAVE ANY CONFIDENCE IN OUR LEADERS.
THAT'S WHY I'M HERE, WHY I CONTINUE TO BE VOCAL ABOUT THIS.
THIS IS NOT FOR THE BETTERMENT OF OUR FUTURE.
>> KRISTEN HENRY THEN MICHAEL RAYMOND.
>> KRISTEN HENRY, 109 MIOKA WAY.
HELLO, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO RESPECTFULLY SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CONCERNS.
AS A JUPITER RESIDENT, I LIVE CLOSE ENOUGH TO STATION 16 TO HEAR THE AMOUNT OF TIME SIRENS GO OUT.
FOR TRANSPARENCY, MY FIANCE IS, HOWEVER, A RECENT RECRUIT OF THE PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE.
EVEN THOUGH HE REALLY LOVED THE PEOPLE WITH THIS FIRST APARTMENT, HIS GOAL WAS ALWAYS TO LAND WITH PALM BEACH COUNTY.
HE WAS AFFORDED AN IMMENSE LEVEL OF TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES, INCREASED PAY, BENEFITS, AND COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT.
THOUGH PALM BEACH COUNTY HAS TRAINED HIM HARD, HE IS LOVED EVERY MINUTE OF IT.
I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT HE HAS HAD MORE TRAINING IN SIX MONTHS WITH THE DEPARTMENT THAN THE YEARS WITH HIS PREVIOUS.
THAT'S JUST A PORTION OF WHAT THE COUNTY DEPARTMENT HAS TO OFFER THEIR EMPLOYEES OVER OTHERS.
I ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO TOUR THEIR STATE OF THE ART TRAINING GROUNDS AND SIT IN ON WHAT THE CURRENT RECRUIT CLASS ENDURES BEFORE THEY'RE HIRED WITH THE COUNTY.
WITH THE RECENT STATEMENTS THAT JUPITER WILL PROVIDE THE SAME OR BETTER LEVEL OF SERVICE, I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THE FOLLOWING; EXCEPTIONAL SERVICE COURTESY OF PALM BEACH COUNTY SPECIALIZED TRAINING SERVICES AND APPARATUS, NOT IN THE BUDGET OF YOUR DEPARTMENT.
ACCORDING TO THE JOURNAL OF THE AMERICAN HEART ASSOCIATION, THE NATIONAL AVERAGE OF CARDIAC SURVIVAL AFTER EMS TO HOSPITAL DISCHARGE IS 8%.
PALM BEACH COUNTY RATE IS OVER 10.7.
JUST OVER A MONTH AND JUPITER PALM BEACH COUNTY HAS SAVED TWO-STRANDED DIVERS IN THREE CAPITALIZE VOTERS WITH THEIR JET SKIS AND SPECIALIZED TRAINING.
THE SPECIAL OPS TEAMS JUST RESCUED A DOG AND ITS OWNER FROM AN ELEVATOR, AND THE SAME SESSION RESCUE SIX PEOPLE FROM ONE BACK IN JULY.
AS WE SPEAK, PALM BEACH COUNTY HAS THE ONLY EXTRACTION TEAM FROM NORTH AMERICA CURRENTLY COMPETING IN THE WORLD RESCUE CHALLENGE IN SPAIN.
THEY COMPETE IN SEVERAL FIRE AND EMS COMPETITIONS ACROSS THE WORLD AND OFTEN BRING HOME THE MEDALS.
OVER THE WEEKS, I'VE TALKED WITH MANY RESONANCE AND PROFESSIONALS WHO CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY A DECISION LIKE THIS WAS MADE.
THOSE I'VE TALKED TO VOICE STRONG SUPPORT FOR KEEPING FIRE RESCUE JUST THE WAY IT IS DESPITE THE ALLEGED TAX SAVINGS.
I'VE BEEN OUT THERE WITH THE PETITIONS AND I'M HAPPY TO REPORT THAT IN JUST A WEEK'S TIME, OVER 3,500 PHYSICAL PETITIONS TO PUT THIS ON THE BALLOT HAVE BEEN SIGNED.
IF THIS DOES NOT SPEAK VOLUMES OF WHAT THE RESONANCE FAVOR, I DON'T KNOW WHAT DOES.
RESPECTFULLY, AMERICA RSV, WHEN YOU ARE ELECTED, YOU SAID YOU'RE ELECTED TO SERVE AND REPRESENT JUPITER RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES.
PLEDGED TO CONTINUE TO SERVE THEM AS A QUALIFIED LOCAL VOICE, RECEIVE AND LISTEN TO CRITIQUE AND FEEDBACK, AND ACT AS A HUMBLE PUBLIC SERVANT TO THE JUPITER RESIDENTS.
I ASK YOU TO LOOK AROUND AT THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE ASKING YOU AND THE FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS TO REMEMBER YOUR PLEDGES AND LISTEN TO THOSE THAT HAVE PUT YOU HERE IN THIS POSITION.
>> I'M MIKE RAYMOND. I LIVE AT 142 CRIMSON AISLES DRIVE.
DIDN'T COME HERE TONIGHT PLANNING TO SPEAK.
BUT I DID WANT TO MAKE A FEW NOTES AFTER LISTENING TO SOME OF THE DIALOGUE.
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I HAD A COUPLE OF POINTS I WANT TO MAKE.ONE IS THAT, I FEEL LIKE I KNOW A FEW OF YOU FROM THE LAST ELECTION AND I CONSIDER YOU VERY HIGH INTEGRITY, VERY SMART PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING FOR THE TOWN.
MY ENCOURAGEMENT FOR YOU IS TO HAVE COURAGE, STAY THE COURSE AND DON'T BE INTIMIDATED.
MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION FOR THE TOWN.
IF YOU SAY THAT YOU HAVE DONE YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND YOU'VE HIRED OUTSIDE CONSULTING AND YOU'VE DONE THE ANALYSIS, I BELIEVE YOU.
JIM, I WOULD JUST SAY IF WE WANT SOMEBODY THAT IS A REALLY GOOD FISCAL STEWARDS FOR THE TOWN, SOMEBODY WHO SPENDS EVERY DOLLAR THAT TOWN LIKE IT'S HIS OWN MONEY.
IT'S YOU. I DON'T THINK YOU'RE DOING ANYTHING DIFFERENT HERE WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THERE'S PROBABLY A REASON THAT THE MAJORITY OF MUNICIPAL COMMUNITIES ALONG THE COASTAL AREA OF PALM BEACH COUNTY HAVE THEIR OWN FIRE AND RESCUE.
YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB AND WE HAVE A POLICE DEPARTMENT HERE IN JUPITER THAT I'M PROUD TO HAVE IT.
I DON'T EXPECT ANYTHING DIFFERENT IF YOU DECIDE TO DO YOUR OWN THING FOR THE FIRE AND RESCUE.
WHY WOULDN'T I EXPECT YOU TO NOT DO A GREAT JOB WITH THAT TOO.
THIS HAS HAPPENED ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE BUILDING ROCKETS HERE.
I DON'T WANT TO BELITTLE BIT, BUT I THINK THAT THE PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB.
BUT IF WE CAN DO IT AND SAVE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, I THINK IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO DO THE RIGHT THING FOR THE TOWN.
MY ENCOURAGEMENT IS JUST CONTINUE TO DO WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
DO YOUR ANALYSIS, MAKE THE BEST DECISION FOR THE TAXPAYERS.
I HAVE FULL CONFIDENCE IN THIS TOWN COUNCIL AND I APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU'RE DOING FOR THE TOWN.
>> COUNCIL WE HAVE BEFORE US TWO MINUTES TO
[2. October 3, 2023 Town Council Meeting Minutes. ]
THE OCTOBER 3RD TOWN COUNCIL MEETING AND YOU ARE SOME MINOR REVISIONS ON THE DASH.IS ANY OTHER REVISIONS OR I'LL TAKE A MOTION?
>> MOTION TO APPROVE AS AMENDED?
>> MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>> MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
>> MOVING ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.
[CONSENT AGENDA]
THIS IS ITEM 3 THROUGH 14 ON THE AGENDA.IS THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WANT TO PULL A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM?
>> I WAS ALSO GOING TO PULL 13.
>> CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT AN AMENDED CONSENT AGENDA EXCLUDING SIX AND 13?
>> MOTION TO APPROVE AMENDED CONSENT AGENDA EXCLUDING SIX AND 13.
>> MOTION AND A SECOND ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE?
>> MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
MOVING ON TO RESOLUTION 104,23,
[6. Resolution 104-23, Expresses support for the idea of asking voters in Palm Beach County to extend the current one-cent infrastructure sales surtax for infrastructure projects through and until December 31, 2036.]
PULLED BY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MEMBER TO COME UP.>> HELLO, LINDA MCDERMOTT 107 CHADWICK.
THIS IS ONE THING THAT I DO AGREE WITH THE COUNCIL'S DECISION TO EXTEND THE ONES THAT INFRASTRUCTURE TAX.
IT'S MONEY THAT COMES TO US TO BE USED IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE COUNTY.
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF US WORKING TOGETHER WITH THE COUNTY AND THE STATE.
I KNOW IT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT TO EXTEND SOMETHING TO 2036, BUT THAT'S THE NATURE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNED.
IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO BUILD ROADS, BRIDGES.
THIS ALSO DOES SHOW THAT JUPITER DOES LONG-TERM PLANNING, AND I KNOW THAT THEY DO.
I AGREE AND CONCUR. THANK YOU.
>> RETURN THE COUNCIL FOR A MOTION AND A SECOND ON RESOLUTION 10423?
>> MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 10423. SECOND.
>> MOTION A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>> MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
[13.Approving purchase of two frontline fire engines, one reserve engine, one rescue engine, one aerial ladder, three frontline ambulances, and one reserve ambulance along with associated equipment in the amount of $7,527,832 under the Florida Sheriff’s Association State Cooperative Contract No. FSA23-VEF17.0. ]
PULLED BY A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC AND COUNSELOR MAY A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC.[00:40:09]
FIRST, TERI GROOMS AFTER TERRY, LINDA MCDERMOTT.
>> SHE'S ASKING IF WE CAN HEAR FROM COUNCILOR MAY FIRST BEFORE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
>> I OBVIOUSLY HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON THESE.
>> IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE QUESTIONS YOU WANT US TO PRESENT FIRST THEN?
>> YES. I DIDN'T SEE CHIEF POZZO HERE, SO I DIDN'T KNOW WHO IS PRESENTING.
>> I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND OUT IF WHEN WE ASKED STAFF TO DO A PRESENTATION.
>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL.
AS YOU JUST IDENTIFIED, WE DO HAVE CHIEF POZZO HERE ALONG WITH [OVERLAPPING]
>> SORRY I DIDN'T SEE IT BACK THERE. [LAUGHTER].
>> ALONG WITH REPRESENTATIVES OF TEN-8 AS WELL WHO IS THE DEALER REPRESENTING THIS ITEM.
THIS EVENING, WHAT WE'RE ASKING OF THE COUNCIL IS TO AUTHORIZE THE EXPENDITURE OF $7.5 MILLION FOR THE PURCHASE OF FIVE FIRE APPARATUS, ONE OF THEM BEING A STOCK ENGINE THAT'S AVAILABLE SOONER THAN LATER, ALONG WITH FOUR AMBULANCES, ONE OF THEM BEING A RESERVE.
ALSO, ONE THING I DID WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING THAT WAS TOLD TO ME, WAS THAT WE WERE OVER BUDGET BASED ON WHAT WAS ADOPTED ON THE 3RD RELATING TO THESE ITEMS. I DID WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WE'RE NOT OVER BUDGET, WE ARE $165,000 ON THE AMBULANCES.
SOME OF THAT WAS TO BE EXPECTED AS WE WENT INTO IT.
THESE ESTIMATES WERE ACTUALLY DONE, IF YOU REMEMBER RIGHT DURING THE ROUND TABLE OF NOVEMBER AND FINALIZED IN JANUARY OF 2023.
SO WE'VE STAYED ON TARGET WITH THE ESTIMATES FOR THE FIRE APPARATUS.
YOU CAN SEE THERE IT'S ALMOST $1.4 MILLION STILL AVAILABLE BASED ON THE ESTIMATED BUDGET.
WE'RE SHORT BY ABOUT LESS THAN $4,000 OFF OF THAT ESTIMATE IN TOTAL.
THAT ADDITIONAL $1.4 MILLION, WHICH WAS INCLUDED IN THE ESTIMATE FOR THE FIRE APPARATUS FOR THE LOOSE EQUIPMENT, THAT GOES ON THE ENTRANCE.
CHIEF POZZO CAN SPEAK TO THAT IF YOU'D LIKE.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO ASK QUESTIONS OF CHIEF POZZO SPECIFICALLY OR?
>> YEAH. I HAD QUESTION ON MORE OR LESS THE RESCUE VEHICLES BECAUSE NOTHING AGAINST PEARSON ENGINES I AM CONCERNED THAT WE'RE JUST GOING STRAIGHT WITH PEARSON NOT, I DIDN'T SEE ANY PROPOSALS FROM MANY OTHER COMPANIES SUCH AS SUCH SAFIN, E1, FERRARI, ANY OF THOSE.
>> CHIEF, YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT?
>> YES. WE ACTUALLY STARTED THAT PROCESS BACK IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR WHEN WE WERE DOING THIS RESEARCH FOR JUPITER FIRE OR JEW TOWN OF JUPITER AND SO PART OF IT WAS TO LOOK AT EQUIPMENT.
SO WE LOOKED AT AND STARTED WITH FLORIDA SHERIFFS ASSOCIATION CONTRACT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE CAN GET QUOTES TO WRITE A CONTRACT WITHOUT GOING OUT FOR A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL SO YOU CAN'T GET QUOTES WITHOUT DOING A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL UNLESS YOU GO TO A CONTRACT THAT YOU CAN WRITE SO FSA WAS AVAILABLE.
THEY POST THE OPTIONS, THEY POST THE COST SO WE USE THAT AS OUR BASE AND WHAT YOU SEE IN THE ITEM COMES FROM THAT CONTRACT.
THERE ARE SOME MANUFACTURERS THAT AREN'T PART OF THAT CONTRACT.
THEY JUST ELECT NOT TO BID ON THAT SO THAT'S HOW WE WENT WITH OUR RESEARCH.
>> IN THE FSA CONTRACT, THOSE OTHER COMPANIES THAT I MENTIONED THAT SUCH AS SAFIN, FERRARI [OVERLAPPING], THEY'RE NOT IN THERE?
>> E1 IS ON THERE AND THAT WAS PART OF THE ASSESSMENT.
>> DO WE HAVE QUOTES FROM THEM?
>> THE QUOTES ARE WITH FSA AND THAT WAS IN A SPREADSHEET THAT I SENT TO THE TOWN.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IN YOUR PACKAGE, BUT THAT WAS PART OF IT.
>> AS FAR AS THE, JUST GOING INTO THE BRAUN AMBULANCES AND NOTHING AGAINST ANY MANUFACTURING COMPANY, I'VE RODE ON MANY OF THESE VEHICLES, BUT MY CONCERN BEING PROPOSED WITH THE RESCUE TRUCKS IS THAT THEY ARE TWO-DOOR RESCUE TRUCKS AND IF WE'RE TRULY GOING TO BE PROVIDING THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY RECEIVING, THEN WE SHOULDN'T BE ORDERING TWO DOOR RESCUE TRUCKS.
THAT'S A BIG SAFETY CONCERN FOR THE FIREFIGHTERS BECAUSE A FOUR-DOOR RESCUE TRUCK
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IS SHOWN TO BE SAFER FOR THEM AND INCREASES RESPONSE TIME BECAUSE THEY CAN COMMUNICATE BETTER, GET DRESSED ON THE WAY TO THE CALL, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE COST DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN A TWO-DOOR RESCUE TRUCK AND A FOUR-DOOR RESCUE TRUCK.
>> IF YOU'RE TRULY GOING TO GO DOWN THIS ROAD, IF I WERE TO SUPPORT THIS ITEM, WHICH I DON'T, THEN YOU NEED TO BE PROVIDING THE SAME TRUCKS THAT WE CURRENTLY ARE BEING SERVED WITH.
>> ABSOLUTELY. WE CONSIDERED FOUR-DOOR BUT OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE WAS THE PATIENT COMPARTMENT AND THAT CAME FIRST SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PATIENT COMPARTMENTS AND THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT YOU GET THERE, YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S THE SIZE, IT'S THE LENGTH, IT'S THE HEIGHT.
SO WE LOOKED AT THAT AND WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE SAFETY OF THE PATIENT COMPARTMENT AND HOW THE BRAUN IS BUILT.
IT'S SOLID CONSTRUCTION AND MICHAEL BAY IS HERE FROM TEN-8 AND HE CAN SPEAK TO THE FOUR DOOR.
WE DID TALK ABOUT THE FOUR DOOR.
ACTUALLY, WHEN WE WERE DOING THIS, THERE IS A COST DIFFERENCE, THERE'S AN AIR CONDITIONING ISSUE THAT'S IDENTIFIED IN THOSE CHASSIS THAT HE COULD SPEAK TO THAT INCREASE THE COST SO WE ALSO HAD A BUDGET TO WORK WITHIN AND SO WE WORKED THROUGH THAT.
>> YOU WANT TO JUST TALK ABOUT THE FOUR-DOOR VERSUS TWO-DOOR?
>> GOOD EVENING COUNCIL. MICHAEL BAY WITH TEN-8 FIRE.
THE BIGGEST ISSUE WITH THE CREW CAB IS MOVING FORWARD WITH THE NEW EMISSIONS THAT ARE COMING OUT IN '24 AND 2026.
THE ENGINE THAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE CREW CAB AS A PALM BEACH COUNTY RUNS WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT, YOU CAN'T GET THAT AC IN THE BACK, SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH COOLING IN THE CAB.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ENGINES ARE GOING TO BE AVAILABLE IN THOSE COMMERCIAL CABS WHEN THE NEW EMISSIONS COME OUT BECAUSE [INAUDIBLE] JUST CANCELING TWO OR THREE OF THEIR ENGINE MODELS AND ONE OF THEM IS THE ONE THAT'S IN THOSE TRUCKS.
>> LIKE I SAID, MY CONCERN IS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PROVIDING THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE, BUT IT SAYS TO ME YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT ORDERING A TWO-DOOR RESCUE TRUCK.
I'M IN THIS LINE OF WORK, I KNOW WHEN YOU'RE RESPONDING TO A CALL AND BEING ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH THEIR CREW ON THE WAY TO A CALL ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING WHEN WE GET THERE, IF THEY'RE TRYING TO TALK TO A PATIENT, WALK THROUGH AND TELL YOUR FIREFIGHTER IN THE BACK WHAT WE'RE DOING.
THAT'S JUST YOU'RE ALREADY DECREASING THE LEVEL OF SERVICE BEING PROVIDED.
AS FAR AS THESE TWO-DOOR RESCUE TRUCKS, I DEFINITELY DON'T SUPPORT THEM.
I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS.
EVEN IF WE DON'T HAVE TO GO WITH BRAUN BECAUSE I KNOW HORTON'S DOING IT RIGHT NOW WITH FLORIDA RESCUE TRUCKS AND THEY'RE NOT HAVING ANY ISSUES.
SO EVEN IF WE DON'T HAVE TO GO WITH BRAUN AND WE HAVE TO GO WITH ANOTHER COMPANY THAT MAYBE YOU GUYS HAVE NOT SHARED, USE SERVICE, ANY OTHER RESCUES BESIDES BRAUN?
>> I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT BEFORE WE EVEN VOTE ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
>> THE DESIGN ON THIS TRUCK IS A TENDENCY THAN THE PATIENT COMPARTMENT IS ON 360-DEGREE SWIVEL AND IT'S GOT A FULL WALK-THROUGH OPENING, PASSDOOR OPENING.
SO YOU COULD ACTUALLY SPEND THE SEAT AROUND AND YOU'RE LITERALLY WITHIN I WANTED TO SAY 24, 28 INCHES FROM THE CAB.
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT TOO, BRINGS UP WITH THIS AS WE FOUND OUT DURING COVID, IS BEING ABLE TO SEAL OFF THE PATIENT COMPARTMENT UNTIL THE PATIENT COMPARTMENT BE COMPLETELY DECONTAMINATED AFTER THE CALL.
WHETHER IT'S FOR COVID OR WHETHER ANOTHER DISEASE OR A HAZMAT SITUATION, IT WAS KEY TO BE ABLE TO PUT ALL RESCUE PERSONNEL UP IN THE FRONT FOUR SEATS SO THAT THEY WERE NOT BEING CONTAMINATED ON THE WAY BACK TO THE STATION BEFORE THEY COULD PROPERLY CLEAN IT.
FROM THAT STANDPOINT, IF WE'RE PROVIDING THIS SERVICE, THEN YOU NEED TO HAVE AFFORDABLE RESCUE TRUCK FOR ALL THOSE REASONS THAT I'VE LISTED.
SO FOR THIS BEING THAT IT'S A WHOLE PACKAGE DEAL, UNFORTUNATELY I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS.
EVEN SO WITH THE AMOUNT OF BACKLASH THAT WE'RE HAVING FROM OUR RESIDENTS RIGHT NOW AND BEING THAT I'M BEING TOLD WE HAVE 3,500 PETITIONS POTENTIALLY COMING IN, I DON'T WANT TO MOVE FORWARD SPENDING MONEY ON SOMETHING WHEN IT'S NOT EVEN PROVIDING THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE HAVE.
>> WE CAN CERTAINLY DO AND PROPOSE THE CREW CAB.
YOU JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE ENGINE AVAILABILITY IN THAT MODEL COMMERCIAL CAB AND EVERY MANUFACTURER, WHETHER IT BE HORTON, AT, DOESN'T MATTER THEY'RE ALL GOING TO HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM. IT'S NOT A BRAUN ISSUE.
>> I'D JUST LIKE TO OBVIOUSLY, BEFORE WE VOTE ON ANYTHING, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE COST OF PURCHASE IS GOING TO BE BETWEEN OF TWO-DOOR AND A FOUR-DOOR.
>> WERE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
>> TERI GROOMS AND THEN LINDA MCDERMOTT.
>> HERE'S MY ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS ON THIS.
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YOU'RE ALREADY DIPPING INTO THE CONTINGENCY ON THE VERY FIRST PURCHASE.WHAT OTHER SURPRISES ARE WE GOING TO ANTICIPATE GOING FORWARD? HOW QUICKLY ARE WE GOING TO SEE THE PURPORTED SAVINGS DISAPPEAR? CAN YOU SEE WHY PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED AND QUESTION THE FINDINGS IN THE REPORT? YOUR NUMBERS DON'T ADD UP ON ALMOST EVERY SINGLE CATEGORY.
WHAT COULD THAT POSSIBLY MEAN? YOU DIDN'T BUDGET FOR A THREE-PERSON CREW? IS THAT ANOTHER WAY YOU PLAN TO MEET OR EXCEED SERVICES GIVEN BY PALM BEACH COUNTY? YOU'RE ALREADY PLANNING ON PAYING THE DEPARTMENT LIST.
WORKING THEM LONGER HOURS AND NO BONUS DAYS IS WORKING A TWO-PERSON CREW ANOTHER PART OF YOUR PLAN TO SAVE MONEY? I ALREADY SAID THAT ANYWAY, THAT'S IT.
>> GOOD EVENING AGAIN, LINDA MCDERMOTT.
I WAS GOING TO SPEAK ON A LITTLE DIFFERENT TURN, BUT NOW THAT CHIEF POZZO MADE THE STATEMENT THAT WE HAD A BUDGET TO WORK WITH.
USUALLY, WHEN YOU DO AN ANALYSIS AND THE STUDY YOU APPLY APPLES-TO-APPLES, AND LIKE COUNCIL MAY SAID, TWO-DOOR VERSUS THE NORMAL FOUR-DOOR IS NOT APPLES TO APPLES.
THE NUMBERS WERE ADJUSTED TO MEET A SET PREDETERMINED DOLLAR AMOUNT.
THIS JUST VALIDATES OUR COURSE HERE.
WE WANT TO IDENTIFY REAL COSTS.
WE WANT TRANSPARENCY, APPLES TO APPLES.
I'M SORRY, COUNCIL, YOU USE NUMBERS THAT ARE TWO YEARS OLD.
I DO THIS ALL THE TIME EVERY YEAR.
I WAS A BUDGET MANAGER AND I AM AN ADMINISTRATOR, PLEASE LISTEN TO US.
WE WANT TO KNOW ALL THE REAL COSTS NOW.
THE OTHER THING IS, THERE'S GOING TO BE A COST TO BUSINESSES, NURSING HOMES, EVERY COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IN THIS TOWN, NOT JUST RESIDENTS.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO A FIRE ASSESSMENT, YOU HAVE TO DO PROPER APPORTIONMENT AND YOU BETTER START NOW WITH THAT STUDY.
I HAVE LET YOU KNOW THAT I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A CITIZENS' PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE.
WE AS CITIZENS COULD DO THIS AND BRING EACH OTHER TOGETHER.
MAYBE THERE ARE THINGS THAT YOU DON'T REALIZE WE'RE TRYING TO LET YOU KNOW, PLEASE.
THERE ARE A LOT MORE COSTS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN UNCOVERED YET.
I'M TELLING YOU THAT I HAVE STUDIED THIS. I KNOW.
THEY'VE SAID OTHER THINGS I WANTED TO SAY, THANK YOU.
>> KAREN VINSON THEN CAROL WATSON.
>> KAREN VINSON, 1003C STREET.
I AM A TAXPAYER. I DO LIVE IN THE TOWN OF JUPITER.
I'M NOT RELATED TO ANYBODY THAT WORKS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, NOR AM I DATING, NOR I'M I MARRIED TO ANYBODY THAT WORKS IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
I AM NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE UNION.
PLEASE DON'T TAKE THAT THAT THIS IS COMING FROM ANYWHERE FROM THERE.
I SIT OVER HERE, I AM MY OWN PERSON AND I SPEAK FOR MYSELF.
MY ISSUE IS THE LAST BUDGET, YOU WANTED TO REVISE THE BUDGET THAT YOU OKAY THE MEETING BEFORE.
EVERY MEETING IS GOING TO BE WE'RE GOING TO DRAIN MORE MONEY OUT.
YOU SAY THE TAXPAYERS AREN'T GOING TO HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE PAYING DOUBLE BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO PULL IT FROM THE RESERVES.
WHERE DID YOU GET THE RESERVES? WHAT ARE THE RESERVES THEREFORE? THAT MONEY IS THERE FOR EMERGENCIES, NOT TO BUILD A NEW DEPARTMENT.
IF YOU WANT TO BUILD A NEW DEPARTMENT, THEN WHY DIDN'T YOU WORK WITH PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE DEPARTMENT IN ORDER TO GET YOUR INFORMATION AND TO BE ABLE TO BUILD ONE IN A PROPER MANNER? SOMEBODY WHO ALREADY CAN SET IT OUT.
AGAIN, YOU DIDN'T INVOLVE THE CITIZENS OF JUPITER AND YOU'RE USING OUR TAX MONEY AND NOW YOU'RE ASKING US FOR MORE TAX MONEY AND YOU'RE GOING TO USE IT ON A SUBSTANDARD RESCUE.
I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT RESCUES.
ALL I KNOW IS WHAT I HEAR HERE TONIGHT IS THAT IT'S A SUBSTANDARD.
HOW DO YOU THINK THAT THAT MAKES ME FEEL? YOU'RE USING MY TAX MONEY AND I'M STILL PAYING PALM BEACH COUNTY AND I'M PAYING THIS.
CONTINUING DOWN THAT PATH, HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO BE PULLED FROM RESERVES FROM OTHER UTILITIES? ARE YOU GOING TO DIP INTO THE WATER UTILITIES? WHAT OTHER PLACES ARE YOU GOING TO PULL MONEY OUT OF TO GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE FUNDING THIS? WHY CAN'T WE STOP? WHY CAN'T THERE BE A PAUSE BEFORE YOU PUT THIS MUCH MONEY? YOU'RE OVER $7.5 MILLION THAT YOU WANT TO PULL.
INSTEAD OF HAVING A DISCUSSION WHEN YOU SEE THAT THERE'S THIS MUCH DISTENTION ABOUT IT.
I DON'T REALLY THINK EVERYBODY WANTS TO CONTINUE ARGUING WITH THE COUNCIL.
I WILL BE HERE EVERY COUNCIL MEETING, I WILL HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY.
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THIS IS NOT RIGHT, AND THEN UNTIL YOU PEOPLE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE PEOPLE ARE UPSET, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THEM UNUPSET.>> CAROL WATSON, CHASEWOOD DRIVE.
I CAME DOWN HERE. I CAME OUT OF MY HOUSE.
I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE A LONG TIME.
I'VE BEEN COMING TO THESE COUNCIL MEETINGS IN PERSON FOR MANY YEARS SINCE OCTOBER OF 2014 AND THE ONLY TIME PEOPLE COME OUT, THERE HAS BEEN TIMES THAT I'VE BEEN THE ONLY PERSON SITTING IN THIS CROWD.
THE ONLY ONE. THE ONLY REASON WHY I STARTED WATCHING AT HOME IS BECAUSE TOM BARRETT SAID, DON'T YOU HAVE SOMETHING BETTER TO DO WITH YOUR TIME? DON'T YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO DO? NO, BECAUSE I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT HOW JUPITER WAS GOING TO BE GROWING AND WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.
HERE'S THE DEAL. DID ANYBODY RUN AGAINST YOU LAST MARCH? NO. DID ANYBODY RUN AGAINST YOU, KEN? NO. JIM KORETSKY HAS BEEN SITTING ON THAT COUNCIL UP THERE SINCE 2001, THE MOST FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE COUNCIL PERSON WE'VE EVER HAD, PROBABLY IN JUPITER.
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO SPEND ONE DIME, MAYOR KORETSKY IS NOT GOING TO SPEND ONE DIME OF OUR MONEY UNLESS HE REALLY FEELS THAT IT'S NECESSARY.
DID ANYBODY COME OUT AND COMPLAIN WHEN WE BUILT THE POLICE STATION OVER THERE FOR $16 MILLION? DID ANYBODY COMPLAIN WHEN WE WERE GOING TO BE REBUILDING A TOWN HALL BACK HERE FOR 43 MILLION? DID ANYBODY COME OUT AND COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT? NO, BECAUSE IT'S MAKING EVERYTHING LOOK GOOD.
NOW, WE HAVE FIRE RESCUE AND EVERYONE'S COMING OUT TO COMPLAIN.
I'M NOT ON FACEBOOK. DON'T LOOK FOR ME.
I'M NOT THERE, 6,500 CHASEWOOD DRIVE APARTMENT B.
YOU WANT TO COME KNOCK ON MY DOOR? GO AHEAD.
COME ON OVER. BUT I FEEL THAT THIS COUNCIL WE HAVE VOTED IN.
WHY DO WE HAVE THE RESERVES? I'M SURE SCOTT CAN TELL YOU WHY WE HAVE RESERVE BECAUSE OUR TOWN MANAGER WE WERE ONE OF THE ONLY COMMUNITIES IN THIS WHOLE COUNTY THAT WAS FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE DURING THE GREAT RECESSION OF 2008, 2009, 2010.
WE WERE THE ONLY COMMUNITY IN THIS COUNTY THAT HAD MONEY IN THE BANK.
THAT'S HOW WE HAVE MONEY BECAUSE WE'RE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE.
I'M ALL FOR THIS. I WAS SO HAPPY WHEN YOU GUYS DECIDED TO VOTE FOR THIS FIRE DEPARTMENT.
I'M TIRED OF GETTING RIPPED BY THE COUNTY OF PALM BEACH.
FORGET IT. LET'S GET OUR OWN FIRE DEPARTMENT AND LET'S GET IT TONIGHT.
>> THAT WAS IT. RETURNING THE COUNCIL, COUNCILLOR MAY DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?
>> NO, LIKE I SAID, BECAUSE THIS IS A WHOLE PACKAGE AND I WOULD NEVER VOTE TO SKIMP ON PURCHASING ANYTHING RELATED TO FIRE AND I FEEL WE'RE OBVIOUSLY TRYING TO REMAIN WITHIN BUDGET.
BUT WE HAVE A DUTY IF THIS FIRE DEPARTMENT GOES THROUGH TO PROVIDE THE BEST TRUCKS POSSIBLE AND YOU'RE NOT DOING THAT WITH AT LEAST THE RESCUE TRUCKS THAT ARE BEING SPEC OUT.
I'VE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE OTHER TRUCKS TOO BECAUSE I'M NOT EVEN SURE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A SQUAD ENGINE IN HERE AND NOW WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A SQUAD SO THAT WENT AWAY ALL OF A SUDDEN.
WE'RE JUST GETTING MASSIVE DISCOUNTS BUT AT THE RISK OF WHAT? I DON'T SUPPORT, I'D RATHER SEE THIS ITEM TABLED FOR NOW AND NUMBERS COME BACK FOR THE PHOTO RESCUES AND SEE WHAT THAT PACKAGE ENTAILS AND HOW MUCH MORE THAT POTENTIALLY INCREASES THE COST OF THESE RESCUE TRUCKS.
>> WELL, I GUESS FOR STAFF AND FOR MR. POZZO CAN YOU ANSWER A COUNCILOR MAY'S QUESTIONS ON SCAMS, I'M CURIOUS, IS THERE SKIMPING OR EQUIVALENT APPARATUS?
ONE, THERE IS A RESCUE ENGINE IN THERE, THAT'S THE PUCK RESCUE ENGINE.
THAT IS IN THAT PACKAGE, IT'S TWO FRONTLINE ENGINES, ONE RESERVE ENGINE, 105-FOOT HEAVY-DUTY LADDER, AND FOR AMBULANCES.
IF YOU TALK IN LEVEL OF SERVICE,
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THAT'S THE PATIENT COMPARTMENT.THAT'S WHERE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE TO THE CITIZENS OCCURS.
[BACKGROUND] IT'S NOT A SUBSTANDARD AMBULANCE.
IN FACT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SAFETY OF THAT AMBULANCE AND HOW THE PATIENT COMPARTMENT IS BUILT, IT IS A SOLID BODY CONSTRUCTION.
THE ONLY SOLID BODY CONSTRUCTION IN THE INDUSTRY, EVERYTHING IS WELDED.
THE COMPARTMENTS ON THE INSIDE ARE WELDED INSIDE OF THE BOX TO MAKE IT STURDY.
IT'S CRASHED, TESTED IN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS USING THE SAME BOX, THE ONLY MANUFACTURER.
WE LOOKED AT SAFETY FOR THE FIREFIGHTERS AND WE LOOKED AT SAFETY FOR THE PATIENTS.
I WON'T DEBATE COUNCILLOR MAY'S POSITION ON THE FLOOR DOOR CAB, IT DOES PROVIDE IN TIMES OF A PANDEMIC AS WE JUST WENT THROUGH.
HE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT WHEN YOU CAN'T DEACON THE BACK OF AN AMBULANCE AND YOU DON'T HAVE A SYSTEM THAT'S PORTABLE THAT YOU TAKE WITH YOU TO DEACON THAT, IT DOES GIVE ANOTHER LEVEL OF NON-EXPOSURE TO PEOPLE IN THE BACK.
DRESSING OUT IN ROUTE TO THE CALL, I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE DRESSING OUT FOR.
IF IT'S AN EMS CALL, IF IT'S A FIRE CALL, YOU WOULDN'T BE DRESSING OUT IN THE CAB.
[LAUGHTER] YOU DON'T, YOU DRESS OUT BEFORE YOU GET ONTO THE RIG BECAUSE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE YOUR SEAT BELT ON WHEN YOU'RE GOING DOWN THE ROAD.
YOU CAN DEBATE THAT HOWEVER, YOU WANT TO DEBATE IT BUT WHEN YOU JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR THE BOX, THEN THAT'S IN THE BACK.
THE FOUR CAB, IT IS A PREFERENCE TO MOST BUT AS MR. DEY SAID, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN OUR DISCUSSIONS.
THERE ARE MOTOR ISSUES IN THE FUTURE WITH THOSE PARTICULAR CHASSIS AND I WILL JUST SAY THIS.
IF YOU WANT TO MEET YOUR OCTOBER 1ST, 2026 DEADLINE WITH EVERY 30 DAYS, WITH EVERY 45 DAYS THAT YOU DELAY ORDERING THIS APPARATUS THEN YOU'RE GOING TO RUN INTO THAT, YOU'RE GOING TO RUN INTO THAT DATE.
AS I ADVISED YOU EARLIER, IF THIS WAS A DECISION OR A ROAD THAT YOU ARE GOING TO GO DOWN, THE FIRST THING YOU HAD TO DO IS BUY THE APPARATUS.
THAT'S THE FIRST THING YOU HAVE TO DO.
IT IS STAFFED WITH THREE, THAT'S THE PROGRAM.
THE ANALYSIS IS STAFFED WITH THREE.
THE ENGINES ARE STAFFED WITH THREE AND THE LADDERS PROGRAM TO BE STAFFED WITH FOUR.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT LEVEL OF SERVICE IN THE TOWN, THEN THAT INCREASES THE LEVEL OF SERVICE IN THE TOWN BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LADDER THAT IS STAFFED WITH FOUR.
THE ISO RATING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE JUPITER ISO RATING IS GOING TO BE AFTER THE FIRST YEAR OF SERVICE BECAUSE AS I EXPLAINED WHEN I DID THE PRESENTATION IN JANUARY, THEY SAID THE ISO IS GOING TO WORK.
YOU REMAIN AN ISO 1 UNTIL YOUR FIRST YEAR IS OVER.
THEN THE ISO COMES IN AND RATES THE NEW FIRE DEPARTMENT.
IF WE JUST GO ON WHAT COUNTY IS RATED AT NOW, THEY'RE USING WHEN THEY LOOK AT JUPITER AS PART OF THAT RATE AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE JUPITER WATER SYSTEM.
WE LOOK AT THE COMMUNICATIONS PIECE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE COMMUNICATIONS PIECE AND HOW THAT COMES TOGETHER.
YOU ALREADY KNOW WHAT THOSE SCORES ARE.
HENCE THE ISO IS NOT A FIRE DEPARTMENT RATING, IT'S A COMMUNITY RATING, SO PUBLIC PROTECTION CLASSIFICATION IS A COMMUNITY RATING.
IT'S THE COMMUNITY'S ABILITY TO RESPOND TO BUILDING FIRES.
THAT'S WHAT THE ISO RATING IS FOR, BUILDING FIRES.
NOT AUTOMOBILE ACCIDENTS, NOT BRUSH FIRES, NOT CAR FIRES.
THAT'S WHY IT'S THE 911 CENTER BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE COMMUNITY'S EMERGENCY SERVICES.
IT'S THE WATER SYSTEM AND WHETHER YOU HAVE HYDRANTS OR YOU DON'T HAVE HYDRANTS, SO YOU HAVE PARTIAL HYDRANTS, IT'S HOW OFTEN YOU FLOW TEST THOSE HYDRANTS.
IT'S HOW OFTEN YOU TEST THOSE HYDRANTS.
THAT'S HOW YOU RATE THE WATER SYSTEM.
COMMUNITY RISK REDUCTION IS PART OF THAT, THAT'S FIRE PREVENTION.
YOU GET A SCORING FOR COMMUNITY RISK REDUCTION THAT'S BUDGETED IN THE JUPITER FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENTS, THERE'S A FIRE MARSHAL, THERE'S INSPECTORS, THERE'S A PLANS REVIEW.
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WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT SYSTEM, THEN YOU HAVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT RATING, WHICH IS THE LARGEST PART.THAT'S THE LARGEST PART OF THAT.
THAT'S THE NEW FIRE CHIEF RESPONSIBILITY.
IN THAT FIRST YEAR, THERE'S TRAINING REQUIREMENTS THAT THE ISO LOOKS AT.
THERE'S A DEPLOYMENT ANALYSIS THAT THEY LOOK AT.
THAT DEPLOYMENT ANALYSIS THAT IS SCRIPTED FOR THIS FIRE DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO BE VERY SIMILAR.
IT'S THREE STATIONS, NORTH, NORTHWEST, NORTH, NORTHEAST, ONE IN CENTRAL SOUTH.
WHEN YOU OVERLAY THE 1.5-MILE ENGINE COMPANY RESPONSE ON BUILT-UPON LAND, THEY ARE VERY SIMILAR, WHICH YOU'RE ALSO ADDING A LADDER TRUCK INTO THAT MIX.
THAT WILL OFFSET SOME OTHER DISCREPANCIES THAT MAY OCCUR.
YOU CAN'T JUDGE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN 2027 TODAY.
YOU JUST CAN'T DO THAT, IT'S UNFAIR.
HENCE OUR RESEARCH AND WHAT WE PUT TOGETHER AND COUNCILLOR MAY IS CORRECT.
I ANSWERED THOSE QUESTIONS BECAUSE THEY CAME UP TONIGHT.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE STAFFING, YOU'RE PLUS 4, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE STATIONS YOU'RE THE SAME.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT STATION LOCATIONS IS GOING TO BE SIMILAR.
THE AMBULANCE, WHETHER A FOUR-DOOR OR TWO-DOOR IS A LEVEL OF SERVICE ISSUE, THEN THAT REALLY IS FOR YOU TO DEBATE.
WE HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH MR. DEY AND HIS FIRM ON WHAT THE CHASSIS ARE GOING TO BE IN THE FUTURE, WHAT THE MOTOR SITUATION IS GOING TO BE IN THE FUTURE.
QUITE HONESTLY, WE HAVE TO RECOMMEND A PLAN FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THAT MEETS THE TIMELINE, STAYS IN A REASONABLE BUDGET, HENCE IS GOING TO BE SIMILAR [NOISE] OR EXCEED.
THAT WAS OUR MISSION AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GIVING YOU TONIGHT.
>> THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE. COUNCILLOR?
>> I JUST WANT TO THANK COUNCILOR DELANEY FOR THAT QUESTION AND CHIEF POZZO FOR ANSWERING IT.
I KNOW WE SPOKE ABOUT ISO IN NOVEMBER OF 2022, SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP AGAIN.
THE WATER SCORE BEING 40%, I REMEMBER THAT FROM THAT DISCUSSION AS WELL.
I HAVE NO INTENTION AND HOLDING THIS BACK I KNOW THAT I HAD SAID AT THE LAST MEETING, WE CAN'T LOOK BACK.
WE HAVE A NEW DEADLINE, WE HAVE WORK TO DO.
I'M SATISFIED I SPOKE WITH YOU A NUMBER OF TIMES BEFORE TONIGHT'S MEETING.
I DID GO OVER THE CHART THAT TALKS ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT SUPPLIERS, THE RATINGS, THE WORK THAT YOU PUT INTO IT AND I'M SATISFIED.
>> JUST A FINAL QUESTION ON THE AMBULANCE SERVICE.
I APPRECIATE SAFETY IS OF PARAMOUNT IMPORTANCE TO BOTH THE PATIENTS AND THE RESCUE PERSONNEL.
I APPRECIATE THE EMPHASIS ABOUT THEY SHOULDN'T BE GOING DOWN THE ROAD WITHOUT A SEAT BELT ON.
THAT'S THE WAY I THINK IT SHOULD BE MANAGED BECAUSE THAT IN ITSELF IS A RISK, SO I APPRECIATE THAT.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
WHAT I HEARD WAS THERE'S A CONCERN THAT THE FOUR-DOOR AT THIS POINT DOESN'T HAVE AN ENGINE THAT WILL MEET EMISSION STANDARDS.
>> NO. MICHAEL, COME UP, EXPLAIN THAT ONE MORE TIME.
>> BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE TO PURCHASE SOMETHING THAT WOULD MEET ADMISSION STANDARDS.
>> CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW, THAT TRUCK HAS A CUMMINS L9 ENGINE, WHICH IS A LARGE HORSEPOWER ENGINE, AND THAT ASSIST IN THE PATIENT OR THE CREW CAB AREA AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM.
IF YOU'RE ADDING A TWO-DOOR CAB, THE AC AND THE TWO-DOOR CAB IS NOT POWERFUL ENOUGH TO GET TO THE GUYS IN THE BACK.
YOUR THIRD CREW MEMBER, YOU HAVE TO ADD A SECONDARY AC SYSTEM AND YOU CAN ONLY DO THAT WITH A L9 ENGINE.
CUMMINS IS DISCONTINUING THAT ENGINE, SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT OPTIONS ARE GOING TO BE AVAILABLE COMING IN 2024.
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THAT'S THE MAIN HOLDUP.THAT'S WITH EVERY MANUFACTURER, WHETHER IT'S BRAUN, HORTON, AD, DOESN'T MATTER.
THEY ALL HAVE THAT SAME ISSUE.
WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE AVAILABLE.
WE COULD SELL YOU THE CREW CAB CHASSIS WITHOUT A CREW CAB AC SYSTEM, AND YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO BE UNHAPPY BECAUSE IT'S TOO HOT BACK THERE.
THAT'S THE MAIN THING. IF YOU LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF CREW CAB DEPARTMENTS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, I'D SAY PROBABLY 60-70% OF TWO-DOOR CABS.
>> MR. DAVE, MY QUESTION IS, WITH THE ENGINES, IF THOSE ENGINES THEY ARE BEING DISCONTINUED, THEY'RE CURRENTLY BEING PUT INTO THOSE AMBULANCES.
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN ONE OF THE ENGINES NEEDS TO BE REPLACED?
>> SMALLER BLOCK ENGINES ARE AVAILABLE, BUT THEY JUST CAN'T ACCOMMODATE THE CREW CAB AC SYSTEM, SO THAT'S GOING TO BE THE PROBLEM.
IT'S THE EMISSION STANDARDS. YOU CAN STILL GET REMAND ENGINES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
YOU JUST CAN'T GET A NEW ENGINE, WITH NEW MODEL A YEAR TO MEET THE NEW ADMISSION STANDARDS.
>> GOT YOU. IS MERCEDES ISN'T MAKING THEM ANYMORE THAT SEEMS BACK INTO HONDA?
>> CUMMINS IS THE ONLY OPTION IN THAT COMMERCIAL CAB, WHETHER IT'S A FREIGHT LINER OR INTERNATIONAL.
>> THERE'S JUST TOO MANY UNKNOWNS AND YOU CAN TALK TO THE FREIGHT LINER AND INTERNATIONAL, [BACKGROUND] WHICH IS TOO MANY UNKNOWNS ON THAT CREW CAB CHASSIS.
THAT'S WHY WE DON'T RECOMMEND THE CREW CAB RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO COOL THE CREW CAB AREA.
>> MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS BECAUSE IN MOST AIRWAY SEEDS THE THIRD SEAT IN THE BACK AND THE PATIENT APARTMENT, THEY'RE TYPICALLY NOT EXPECT TO HAVE IN YOUR AIR PACK IN THEM.
WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RESPONSE TIMES AND GETTING DRESSED OUT, YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE YOUR SEAT BELT ON WHILE YOU'RE GETTING DRESSED OUT.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE ON THE WAY TO A FIRE CALL AND YOU NEED TO PULL YOUR AIR PACK ON, THERE IS A DELAY IF SOMEBODY HAS TO GET OUT OF THAT VEHICLE TO PUT THEIR AIR PACK ON.
TYPICALLY, YOU HAVE AN OFFICER AND A FIREFIGHTER THAT ARE FULLY READY TO GO WHEN THE TRUCK ARRIVES ON THE SCENE AND THEY CAN START WHETHER IT'S MAKING ENTRY OR WHATEVER WHILE THE DRIVER IS MAKING HIS WAY UP.
TO ME, BY NOT HAVING EVERY SINGLE PERSONNEL OR AT LEAST TWO PERSONNEL READY TO GO ON A FIRE SCENE OR A GAS LEAK OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE RESPONSE TIME, THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE CURRENTLY ARE BEING OFFERED.
BECAUSE I CAN GET DRESSED OUT ON A TRUCK IN THE BACKSEAT WITH MY SEAT BELT ON.
WE'RE TRAINED TO DO IT. BUT AIR PACK ON, EVERYTHING WILL BE READY TO GO BY THE TIME IT GETS TO THE SCENE.
AGAIN, MY CONCERN IS BECAUSE THESE TWO-DOOR TRUCKS, THAT THIRD PERSON IN THE BACK, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO HEAR WHAT THE OFFICER IS REALLY SAYING, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE BUSY DOING WHATEVER AND AS MUCH AS YOU WANT TO SAY YOU GOT TO HAVE YOUR SEAT BELT ON, WHATEVER.
IT'S JUST THEY'RE BUSY DOING OTHER THINGS, OR LISTENING TO RADIO COMMUNICATIONS.
HEY, TRYING TO TALK TO THE PERSON IN THE BACK.
LET THEM KNOW THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING WHEN WE GET ON THIS CALL.
IT'S VERY HARD TO DO BECAUSE EVEN IF YOU'RE SITTING IN A PATIENT APARTMENT, YOU CAN SWIVEL AROUND, IT'S HARD TO HEAR.
WITH AFFORDABLE RESCUE TRUCK, IT HAS BEEN SHOWN THAT IT IS A MUCH SAFER VEHICLE FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED.
EVEN THOUGH THE PATIENT COMPARTMENT SCRATCH RATED, IT IS MUCH BETTER TO BE UP IN THE CAB OF THE VEHICLE FORWARD FACING AND BEING ABLE TO GET AIR PACK ON THE WAY TO A CALL.
I DON'T SUPPORT ORDERING TWO-DOOR RESCUE TRUCKS AT ALL.
I THINK THIS NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT.
IF YOU CAN GET THE NUMBERS BY THE NEXT MEETING, THAT'S FINE.
BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO BE VOTING ON SOMETHING OF THIS $7.5 MILLION PURCHASE.
COUNSELOR FORD IS NOT EVEN HERE TO WEIGH HIS THOUGHTS, SO I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A PAUSE ON THIS.
>> ON THE QUESTIONS ON THE TWO-DOOR CABS JUST REAL QUICK.
[APPLAUSE] IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, PALM BEACH COUNTY RUNS TWO-DOOR CABS IN SOME AREAS. THEY'RE NO MORE?
>> THEN THEY USED TO, AND THEY HAD THE SWIVEL SEAT AT THE WHOLE NINE YARDS OF THE CBA, SO YOU COULD DESIGN IT THAT WAY.
>> WELL, THE THIRD SEAT IN THE BACK DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH CBA IN IT.
>> I SOLD THOSE TRUCKS TO PALM BEACH COUNTY WHEN I SOLD HORTON'S AND THEY DID HAVE THEIR CBA AND THE TENDENCY, AND IT WAS SWIVEL.
I'M JUST ASKING. THIS WAS YEARS AGO.
>> THE RECENT PURCHASE OF THEIR TOURS, THEY DIDN'T HAVE THAT.
IT WAS THE AIR PACK LAYING OUTSIDE FOR A LONG TIME, ESPECIALLY DURING THE RECESSION, THEY HAD PULLED BACK TO TWO-MEN RESCUES.
THEY'VE SINCE IN THE YEARS GONE BACK UP TO THREE.
WE RECENTLY DID IT HERE IN JUPITER.
BUT WHEN THEY DID THAT, THEY RECOGNIZED, ESPECIALLY DURING COVID, THEY GOT RID OF EVERY TWO-DOOR TRUCK.
>> TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A FORD OR RESCUE.
>> QUESTION. IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET A QUOTE ON THE FOUR-DOOR TRUCK BY NEXT MEETING?
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THE DISTINCTION ON FUNDING FOR THE FIRE ENGINES VERSUS THE AMBULANCES?>> WE HAVE ADDITIONAL CONTINGENCY FUNDS IF WE NEED TO.
>> NO, WHAT I MEANT WAS FOR TONIGHT'S ACTION, WE HAVE THE BREAKDOWN OF THE COSTS FOR THE FIRE ENGINES.
>> WE DO SEPARATELY. YES, SIR.
>> THAT WOULD BE A TOTAL OF 5,603,888.
>> THAT'S FOR THE FIRE ENGINES.
>> THEN THE PREVALENT, THE BALANCES FOR THE THREE FRONTLINE AMBULANCES.
>> THAT'S ALL THE FIRE APPARATUS, AND THEN THE AMBULANCES ARE SEPARATE.
>> I UNDERSTAND. WE COULD TAKE ACTION ON APPROVING THE FIRE ENGINES, WHICH THERE WAS NO ISSUES OF CONCERN RAISED, AND THEN YOU COME BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING ON THE AMBULANCES.
>> WE COULD DO THAT. YES, SIR.
>> MOTION TO APPROVE THE PURCHASE OF THE FIRE APPARATUS OF THE 5,603,083 FOR ALL FIRE UNITS, LESS THE AMBULATORY UNITS.
>> SIR, I JUST WANT TO GO ON RECORD THAT I'M GOING TO VOTE NO, EVEN THOUGH I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE SEPARATING IT OUT JUST BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF PUBLIC OUTCRY WE HAVE RIGHT NOW ABOUT SPENDING MONEY ON THESE THINGS.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
>> MOTION CARRIES 3-1 WITH COUNCILOR MAY DISSENTING.
MOVING ON, YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED?
>> THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO ROUND TABLE ITEM NUMBER 15.
[15. Discussion of the Strategic Priority “Development Approvals” to review the Planned Unit Development (PUD) waiver process, PUD public benefit, administrative approvals, and the application for rehearings two-year rule]
[BACKGROUND]>> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. FOR THE RECORD, GARRETT WATSON WITH PLANNING & ZONING DEPARTMENT.
I AM HERE AT NIGHT BEFORE YOU TO TALK ABOUT THE ROUNDTABLE, THAT WAS A STRATEGIC INITIATIVE OF YOURS FOR DEVELOPMENT APPROVALS.
I MIGHT JUST GIVE THIS A SECOND, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
>> THE SAME REASON WHY YOU ARE HERE.
>> [BACKGROUND] NO, I DON'T MEAN IT LIKE THAT.
>> AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS A STRATEGIC INITIATIVE OF YOURS.
IT COMES ON THE HEELS OF A STRATEGIC INITIATIVE, THAT WAS ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, WHICH WAS TO RESCIND THE BONUS PROGRAM IN THE INLET VILLAGE AND US HIGHWAY 1, AS WELL AS TO CAP BUILDING HEIGHTS FOR PUD TO A MAXIMUM OF ONE ADDITIONAL STORY, AND WE ALSO REMOVE THE ABILITY FOR HEIGHT VARIANCES AS WELL AT THE TIME.
THIS WAS DEVELOPED ON THE HEELS OF THAT, IT'S IN THE NEXT STEPS IF YOU WILL, AS PART OF THAT PROCESS AND IT CONTAINS THREE ACTION PLAN ITEMS THAT WE'LL GO OVER TONIGHT AND WE RECENTLY ADDED A FOURTH IN RESPONSE TO SOME COUNCIL COMMENTS.
FIRST THING WE'LL BE REVIEWING TONIGHT IS TO REVIEW AND UPDATE THE PUD WAIVER PROCESS AND STANDARDS IN THE LIGHT OF THE ELIMINATION OF THE BONUS POINTS PROGRAM.
SECOND ITEM IS REVIEW AND UPDATE THE PUD PUBLIC BENEFIT POLICY AND STANDARDS.
THE THIRD ITEM IS REVIEW THE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL THRESHOLDS FOR COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
LASTLY, WE HAVE SOME INFORMATION AT THE VERY END ABOUT THE TWO-YEAR RULE, WHICH IS THE APPLICATION FOR REHEARING ON THAT WAS BROUGHT UP RECENTLY IN RESPONSE TO THE SEA VIA LAST PROJECT ON BUSH RODE.
REAL QUICK BEFORE I BEGIN, THE FIRST TWO ITEMS ARE PUD RELATED.
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I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND AND SOME CONTEXT ON PUDS BECAUSE A LOT OF THE CODE SECTIONS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN YOUR ITEM TONIGHT AND HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND THEY MAY DIFFER A LITTLE BIT FROM WHAT YOU'RE USED TO TODAY.PLAINLY THE DEVELOPMENTS ARE AN OLD PLANNING TOOL AND ABILITY TO LOOK AT LAND PLANNING AND A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT WAY.
YOU HAVE A 10 ACRE BOX HERE OF QUARTER ACRE LOTS YOU CAN SUBDIVIDED INTO PERFECT BOXES.
LOTS OF ROADS, LOTS OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
THAT'S TRADITIONAL SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT.
PUDS CAME ABOUT AS A WAY TO PLAN THAT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
YOU CAN TAKE THAT SAME 10 ACRES AND YOU CAN PRESERVE A SIGNIFICANT PORTION FOR ENVIRONMENTAL PRESERVATION, OR YOU CAN ADD RECREATIONAL AMENITIES.
AS YOU DO THAT, YOU START TO CHIP AWAY AT THAT SAME ACREAGE, YOU CREATE SMALLER LOTS THAT HAVE A LITTLE BIT LESS SETBACKS.
BUT OVERALL YOU HAVE THE BENEFIT FOR PRESERVING THOSE THINGS AND SAVING THOSE THINGS.
THE PUD IS REALLY CAME AROUND AS A WAY TO BE ABLE TO SAY, THOSE ARE GOOD THINGS, RESERVING THOSE THINGS ARE GOOD AND IF WE HAVE TO GIVE SOME WAIVERS TO SOME OF THOSE REGULATIONS IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE THINGS WE WILL BECAUSE IT'S FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE COMMUNITY.
THE MAJORITY OF JUPITER WAS DEVELOPED AS PART OF THAT.
THE NEIGHBORHOODS YOU LOVE TODAY ARE A RESULT OF THAT PROCESS AND THAT'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL FOR US.
THIS FIRST ITEM HERE, THE PUD WAIVER PROCESS, HERE'S WHERE IT GETS TO THAT INTENT OF THE PUD.
PUDS COMPLY WITH THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF THE REGULATIONS.
THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO ACHIEVE MORE DESIRABLE LIVING ENVIRONMENTS.
THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE BETTER FOR ITS OCCUPANTS.
THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE NO DETRIMENTAL IMPACTS ON THE HEALTH, SAFETY, WELFARE, CONVENIENCE, OR COMFORT OF THE RESIDENTS.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WAIVERS ALIGN WITH ALL OF THOSE GOALS AND THE CODE REQUIRES THAT.
SOME OF THE MORE COMMON WAIVERS THAT YOU SEE TODAY, THAT'D BE MINIMUM LAND AREA.
A LARGE-SCALE PUD IS SUPPOSED TO BE 10 ACRES, BUT OFTENTIMES THE PUDS SEE NOWADAYS ARE MUCH LESS THAN THAT.
SETBACKS THAT CAN BE DUE TO EXISTING SITE CONSTRAINTS OR SOME UNIQUE DESIGN HEIGHT WHICH IS NOW LIMITED TO THAT ONE STORY MAX AS A RESULT OF THIS CHANGE TWO YEARS AGO.
PARKING, GREEN SPACE, LANDSCAPING, THOSE ARE GENERALLY ITEMS YOU SEE AS WAIVERS IN PUDS.
WHILE IT'S NOT A WAIVER PER SE, PUDS CAN ALLOW FOR AN ADDITIONAL TWO UNITS PER ACRE IF APPROVED BY THE TOWN COUNCIL.
LET'S SAY A BASE DENSITY ON A PROPERTY HAS SIX UNITS PER ACRE, SOMEBODY CAN COME IN AND REQUEST THAT THE COUNCIL GRANTS UP TO EIGHT UNITS PER ACRE AS PART OF THAT PUD PROCESS.
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE TOWN COUNCIL RESCINDED THE BONUS PROGRAM, THAT WAS IN THE US HIGHWAY 1, AND INTERCOSTAL WATERWAY DISTRICT, AND INLET VILLAGE DISTRICTS THAT HAD A REALLY DEFINED SYSTEM OF BENEFITS AND WAIVERS.
YOU GIVE ABC AND YOU GET XYZ, IT'S VERY DEFINED.
THAT PROJECT, OR THOSE TABLES WERE ACTUALLY USED IN A FEW PROJECTS THAT YOU SAW A FEW YEARS AGO.
BEFORE I PAUSE JUST TO GET SOME FEEDBACK AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AT THIS POINT.
I WANTED TO GIVE YOU TWO EXAMPLES OF RECENT PROJECTS YOU'VE SEEN THAT HAVE PUD WAIVERS.
FIRST BEING WHAT WE REFERRED TO AS RIVER PLAZA, THAT'S ON US HIGHWAY 1, THAT WAS RECENTLY APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL.
IT'S MAIN WAIVER WAS TO THE SIZE OF A PUD BECAUSE IT WAS LESS THAN 10 ACRES AND THE SECONDARY WAIVER WAS REDUCING THE GREEN SPACE.
IT WAS A C3 PROPERTY AND GREEN SPACES ARE REQUIRED TO BE 35%.
BUT TYPICALLY IN A C2 DISTRICT, YOU'D SEE ABOUT 30%.
SO THEY WERE JUST TRYING TO GET IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU'VE SEEN WITH C2 PROPERTY.
THAT SECOND PROJECTS DOWN THERE IS CORNERSTONE WHICH WILL RECOGNIZE FROM THE CORNER OF US HIGHWAY 1 AND INDIANTOWN ROAD.
THAT WAS PART OF THE DEFINED BONUS PROGRAM AT THE TIME.
IT WAS ALLOWED TO HAVE AN INCREASE IN RESIDENTIAL DENSITY, AN INCREASE IN THE AVERAGE BUILDING HEIGHT, AND SOME REDUCED SETBACKS FOR A SUBTERRANEAN GARAGE.
I'LL STOP HERE JUST FOR A MINUTE.
IF YOU'VE GOT QUESTIONS RELATED TO THIS.
IF NOT, I'LL MOVE ON AND WE CAN SAVE THEM FOR THE END.
IT'S THE COUNCIL'S PLEASURE. QUESTIONS?
>> WELL, I GUESS, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, AND YOU COULD TALK TO THEM.
>> ON THIS SHEET, THESE TWO PROJECTS WERE REALLY PART OF THE RIVER WALK CORNER, CORRECT?
>> I JUST THINK WE OUGHT TO MAKE A DISTINCTION TO THAT BECAUSE THERE WAS A BENEFIT.
I DIDN'T KNOW WHICH ONE OF THESE I DIDN'T APPROVE, BUT THERE WAS A BENEFIT TO THE RIVER WALK PROJECT TO THE PUBLIC TO GET ACCESS TO THE WATERWAY, SO I JUST WANTED TO FRAME THAT FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT MIGHT BE LOOKING AT THIS SHEET.
IT HAD AN INTENTION AT THE TIME AND I WANTED TO DISTINGUISH THAT BECAUSE WHAT IT HAD THEN, NO LONGER IS AN ONGOING POINT TO US.
IT ALMOST TO THE DEGREE THAT YOU REFERRING TO PREVIOUS PAGE THAT WE RESCINDED THE BONUS PROGRAM, WE ALMOST CONSIDERED THESE THINGS IN TOTAL,
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BONUSES, WAIVERS, WHAT HAVE YOU.I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
THAT IN MY MIND, THE COUNCIL HAD BEEN UNANIMOUS ABOUT BACKING OFF OF THAT SO THESE LARGER-SCALE PROJECTS WERE REALLY THAT IT MIGHT TAKE.
ALSO I WANTED TO COMMENT THAT, AND THE WORLD IS DIFFERENT TODAY, IN THE AREA OF PUDS GETTING EXTRA UNITS, I THINK WE REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S AN IMPORTANCE TO GET TRUE WORKFORCE HOUSING AND SO IT'S MY POLICY OPINION ABOUT THAT, AND I KNOW WE'RE ALL GOING TO WAIT AND THAT'S WHAT WE ULTIMATELY SUDDENLY WAIT TO THE END.
BUT I JUST THOUGHT, JUST TO THROW POINTS OUT THERE ABOUT THAT.
I THINK WE RECENTLY WERE MAKING COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS THAT WERE REQUIRING TO SOME DEGREE BETTER BREAKDOWN OF WORKFORCE HOUSING, WOULD THAT APPLY HERE? IN OTHER WORDS, I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT THE EXPECTATION IS BECAUSE THE PROBLEM IS WHEN SOMEONE SAYS WORKFORCE HOUSING, AND THEN IT'S SET TO 120% POINT, IT'S NOT GIVEN THE DISTRIBUTION WE WANT.
I THINK THAT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE TALK ABOUT.
I THINK WHAT THE PUBLIC EXPECTS FROM US IS, WHY DON'T WE GRANT ANY EXTRA UNITS IF THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE WORKFORCE HOUSING.
I THINK I'M MAYBE SPEAKING FOR EVERYBODY'S OPINION, BUT I JUST WANTED TO, AS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH, YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT I WANTED TO TOUCH ON THAT.
I THINK JUST THE WORLD'S DIFFERENT THAN WE USED TO BE MORE, TWO MORE UNITS GO AHEAD, BUT WE NOW REALIZE THERE WAS A NEED AND THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE GOING TO GET IT IS TO HOLD WELL, THEN IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WORKFORCE PRICED AND TOWN DOESN'T NEED IT.
>> TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THAT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY DEFINED RIGHT NOW WHAT THAT IS FOR, BUT THE PROCESS OF A PUD ALLOWS YOU DISCRETION TO MAKE THOSE ITEMS KNOWN, AND TO HAVE THAT AS PART OF THE PUBLIC BENEFIT.
THERE'S ENOUGH FLEXIBILITY IN THERE BECAUSE IT'S WIDE ENOUGH.
BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT, THE COUNCIL CAN CERTAINLY INSERT THAT INTO THE LANGUAGE AND MAKE THAT MORE WELL-KNOWN TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY THAT THAT'S THE EXPECTATION.
>> ONE OTHER ITEM IS THAT WE HAVE EXISTING INCENTIVE PROGRAM FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING THAT ALLOWS FOR BONUSES.
>> THEN THAT'S DIFFERENT AND DISTINCT FROM THE PUD, WHICH IS WHY I'M TALKING TO IT AS THE PUD BONUSES.
>> YES. WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE IN CONJUNCTION WITH ONE ANOTHER TO SEE HOW IT ALL PLAYS OUT.
BECAUSE WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT THOSE BONUSES FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING ARE SEPARATE AND DISTINCT AND THE ONLY PROJECT THAT HAS USED IT THAT I'M AWARE OF IS BARCELONA.
>> UNDERSTAND. YEAH. WHICH WAS A SUCCESSFUL ONE.
WELL, WE'RE GOING GET TO THE END AND COME BACK WHEN [OVERLAPPING].
>> ABSOLUTELY. A LOT OF TIME AT THE END THERE AS WELL.
THE SECOND ITEM RELATED TO THIS IS RELATED TO PUD PUBLIC BENEFIT.
THE CODE STATES IT'S INTENDED THAT THESE LARGE-SCALE PUDS PROVIDE SUBSTANTIAL PUBLIC BENEFIT, AND THAT'S AS DETERMINED BY THE TOWN COUNCIL.
WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF PUDS IN TOWN, A LARGE-SCALE OVER 10 ACRES AND SMALL-SCALE.
SOME APPLICANTS, JUST LIKE THAT RIVER PLAZA THAT WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING, HAVE ASKED FOR A LARGE-SCALE PUD BECAUSE OF THE DEFINED BENEFITS AND THE SMALL-SCALE PUD, WHICH I'LL TOUCH ON IN A MINUTE, JUST TO THAT ACREAGE SIZE SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OPTIONS AVAILABLE FOR THEM WHEN THEY COME TO COUNCIL.
STAFF, AS A MATTER OF PRACTICE, ALWAYS RECOMMENDS WITH LARGE-SCALE PUDS THAT APPLICANTS LOOK AT YOUR STRATEGIC PLAN FOR ITEMS THAT THEY MAY BE ABLE TO OFFER AS PUBLIC BENEFIT.
AS PART OF SMALL-SCALE PUDS, YOU'LL SEE THERE ARE SIX BULLET POINTS.
SMALL-SCALE PUDS DIFFER FROM LARGE-SCALE PUDS BECAUSE THEY LIMIT YOU TO THESE SIX PUBLIC BENEFIT.
I'LL RUN THROUGH THEM REAL QUICK AND THEN I'LL GIVE YOU A REASON WHY THEY'RE SIX THERE.
IT'S DEVELOPING CONSISTENT WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT OVERLAY AREA.
WE HAVE THREE OF THOSE IN TOWN, THE INLET VILLAGE, TONY PENA AREA, AS WELL AS THE CENTER STREET AREA.
GREEN BUILDING IS ANOTHER ONE.
WORKFORCE HOUSING ABOVE THE MINIMUMS OBVIOUSLY, BIOSCIENCE RELATED USES, HISTORIC AND ARCHAEOLOGICAL PRESERVATION, AND TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS AGAIN, BEYOND THE MINIMUM.
WHEN WE DEVELOP THE SMALL-SCALE PUD PROCESS,
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IT CAME ON THE HEELS OF THE EAR EVALUATION AND APPRAISAL REPORT IN 2006.THOSE WERE SIGNIFICANT ISSUES AT THE TIME AND WE LOOKED AT WAYS TO INCENTIVIZE THOSE THINGS TO HAPPEN.
WE HAD A LOT OF COMMUNITY INPUT, A LOT OF COUNSEL INPUT, AND THOSE WERE THE THINGS THAT WE DECIDED TO FOCUS ON AND TO TRY AND GET THEM THROUGH THAT SMALL-SCALE PUD PROCESS.
BUT AS I NOTED, IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT FOR APPLICANTS OR SOME APPLICANTS TO MEET SOME OF THOSE REGULATIONS.
THEY'LL INSTEAD ASK FOR A LARGE-SCALE PUD THAT LEAVES THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE OPEN TO HAVING A DIFFERENT PUBLIC BENEFIT.
IT COULD BE AN ENVIRONMENTAL ENHANCEMENTS OR SOMETHING THAT IS NOT ON THAT LIST, EVEN THOUGH IT WOULD BE TYPICALLY A CANDIDATE FOR A SMALL-SCALE PUD.
>> ON THAT ONE. JUST SO I THINK I KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT WHAT IS GREEN BUILDING?
>> GREEN BUILDING, WE USE THE FLORIDA GREEN BUILDING COALITION OR US GREEN BUILDING COALITION AS OF THE BAR FOR CERTIFICATION.
A PROJECT HAS TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF FLORIDA GREEN BUILDING.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE ALL THE SPECIAL INSPECTORS FOLLOW THE CHECKLISTS, AND HAVE ALL THE REVIEW AS LAYERED ON TOP OF OUR APPROVAL PROCESS.
>> UNDERSTAND, AND I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK TO THAT BECAUSE WHEN WE PUT THIS INTO CODE WITH SOMETHING NEW AND IT SOUNDED NICE AND WHATEVER.
BUT IN RECENT APPLICATION, WHEN I OBSERVE THAT SOMEBODY CLAIMED TO GET LIKE 147.700 REQUIRED, AND I LOOKED AT WHAT WAS IN IT I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY WOULD BUILD ANYTHING LESS THAN 100.
SO IT WAS ALMOST NOW IT'S A WORKLIST BENEFIT.
I'M JUST WANTED TO JUST SAY THAT AND IT WAS ON A RECENT PROJECT THAT WE HAD.
I DO THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS STUFF IS SAYING, WELL, IS IT REALLY AN EXTRA OR IS THAT THE NORM AT THE PUBLIC EXPECTS?
>> WAS IT LIKE JUST STANDARD UPGRADED BUILDING CODES?
>> IT WAS THE PROJECT THAT WE TABLED.
I LOOKED AT WHAT I WOULD DO IN CHOICES.
I'M JUST SAYING THESE ARE THE THINGS WE HAD TO LOOK AT, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS, BECAUSE WE MAY NEED EITHER DELETE IT OR INCREASE THE THRESHOLD IF WE THINK THAT'S A PUBLIC BENEFIT.
>> JUST ON THAT ITEM, WE COULD LOOK AT ON THAT PROJECT, WE ACTUALLY STAFF HAD RECOMMENDED SOME ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS RELATED TO MORE PHYSICALLY SEEN GREEN BENEFITS.
BUT THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT IF THE COUNCIL WANTS AS PART OF YOUR PUBLIC BENEFITS, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD DESIRE, WE COULD ADD THOSE THINGS.
>> I'M LOOKING AT THIS AS LIKE A HOUSEKEEPING.
WHEN IT WAS FIRST PUT IN, SOMEBODY GENERALLY COULD THINK, YEAH, IT'S ON THERE.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING NOW I REACHED THE CONCLUSION AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
IT'S LIKE I WOULDN'T GIVE HIM ANY CREDIT FOR IT BECAUSE IT'S SUCH AN EASY THRESHOLD TO PAST.
I'M JUST GIVING YOU MY REACTION ABOUT IT.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS HERE.
IT'S STILL A BENEFIT THAT WE THINK SOMEONE SHOULD GET SOME BONUS FOR.
>> IF YOU RECALL, WHEN WE ADOPTED THE GREEN BUILDING, THERE WAS A SUNSET PROVISION THAT WE WOULDN'T DO IT.
>> YEAH. I'M JUST DOING THIS CONSISTENT WITH THE INTENT OF TONIGHT'S WORKSHOP, GIVEN THE FEEDBACK.
>> STEPHANIE, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY.
I THINK TIMES HAVE CHANGED AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE BUILDING GREEN THESE DAYS AND A LOT OF THE CODES ARE BEING UPDATED TO INCLUDE THAT.
THE GREEN BUILDING COAL, IT'S BROAD, IT SAYS GREEN BUILDING.
BY THAT, WE CURRENTLY MEAN THE GREEN BUILDING COALITION WITH THE POINT SYSTEM.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING WE COULD CHANGE YET.
STILL IN CONCEPT GREEN BUILDING, BUT MOVE FROM THE GREEN BUILDING COALITIONS SYSTEM TO A DIFFERENT SYSTEM WHERE THERE IS MORE VISIBLE IMPROVEMENTS OR SOMETHING WE COULD OUTLINE.
>> YES, WE COULD OUTLINE MORE PHYSICAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPROVEMENTS BESIDES ENERGY STAR APPLIANCES FOR EXAMPLE [LAUGHTER].
>> JUST REAL QUICK. THIS IS THE FEEDBACK SLIDE BUT AGAIN, TWO PROJECTS IS TO GIVE YOU SOME MORE CONTEXT HERE ON PUD PUBLIC BENEFITS.
WE HAD CENTER PARK STORAGE ON CENTER STREET BEHIND MILLER'S ALE HOUSE WHICH HAD REESTABLISHED A GRID SYSTEM THERE AND VIA MONTE WHICH WAS ACTUALLY A SMALL SCALE PUD THAT DID AFFORD A GREEN BUILDING COALITION GOLD.
NOW THIS WAS GOING BACK YEARS AGO AND THEN SOME TRAFFIC COMING ON OLD JUPITER BEACH ROAD.
THE THIRD ITEM ON THE LIST TONIGHT IS THE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS THRESHOLD.
SO THE CODE OUTLINES PRETTY CLEARLY AND THERE'S NUMEROUS SECTIONS
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IN THAT ATTACHMENT THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED THAT GO OVER AT ADMINISTRATIVE AUTHORITY.BUT IN GENERAL REAL QUICK THE CODE ALLOWS FOR STAFF TO DO MINOR AMENDMENTS TO TOWN COUNCIL APPROVALS AS LONG AS THERE'S NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO CHARACTER, TRAFFIC, HEIGHT OR REDUCTIONS IN RECREATIONAL AMENITIES.
IN GENERAL THAT COULD BE SOMETHING AS SMALL AS A HUGE CHANGE.
SOMEBODY IS CHANGING FROM AN OFFICE TO RETAIL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE WORK ON THOSE QUITE FREQUENTLY.
IT ALSO ALLOWS STAFF TO PROCESS AMENDMENTS FOR NEW SITE PLANS FOR SMALL SCALE DEVELOPMENT FOR USES BY RIGHT OF LESS THAN 20 UNITS OR TWO ACRES OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY EXCEPT FOR PROPERTIES ON ARTERIOLES.
SO ARTERIOLES HAVE MOST OF OUR COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR SO IT LIMITS THAT AUTHORITY TO VERY FEW PROPERTIES.
WE ALSO CAN DO ADMINISTRATIVE SMALL SCALE PUDS BUT THERE ARE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT LIMITS AND HOW MUCH THE DIRECTOR OF PUD CAN WAVE IN THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES AND WHAT'S ACTUALLY ELIGIBLE.
AGAIN, THOSE ARE ALL IN YOUR ATTACHMENT AND EVERY OTHER PROJECT IN TOWN COMES THROUGH THIS PROCESS, COMES BEFORE YOU AS THE TOWN COUNCIL.
JUST REAL QUICK THAT PROCESS BETWEEN ADMINISTRATIVE AND TOWN COUNCIL IS IDENTICAL UP INTO A CERTAIN POINT.
SO WE DO THE SAME REVIEW STANDARDS, WE LOOK AT THE SAME CODES, WE APPLY THE SAME CODE SECTIONS AS THE PROJECTS THAT YOU SEE.
IT ALL GOES THROUGH DEVELOPMENT OR REVIEW COMMITTEE, THAT'S A COMMITTEE OF SEVEN MEMBERS AND INCREASES SOMETIMES WITH OTHER PROJECTS.
BUT THEY LOOKED AT ALL THEIR VIEW, THEY LOOK AT ALL THE CODE SECTIONS, THEY MAKE SURE EVERYTHING MEETS THE TOWN CODE.
IF IT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL THAT PROCESS ENDS THERE.
WE WRITE AN APPROVAL LETTER AND IT MOVES FORWARD TO PERMITTING, IF IT'S COUNCIL THAT'S WHEN WE START WRITING REPORTS, DOING ADVERTISING, WORKING WITH OUR LEGAL TEAM TO ESTABLISH ORDINANCES, RESOLUTIONS AS NECESSARY, PUTTING UP SIGNAGE AND BRINGING IT ALL TO YOU FOR A DECISION.
ANOTHER PROCESS THAT WE STARTED PROBABLY ABOUT SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS AGO IS WE SEND WEEKLY UPDATES TO THE COUNCIL IN TERMS OF ANY AMENDMENTS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THAT MAY HAVE SOME IMPACT TO RESIDENTS.
OR IF THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY A CONTROVERSIAL PROJECT AND WE'RE CHANGING SOMETHING VERY MINOR WE WANT MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL KNOW ABOUT THAT IN ADVANCE AND CAN WEIGH IN IF YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS.
DOWN THERE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SLIDE YOU'LL SEE TWO PROJECTS OR ONE PROJECT THAT WE WORKED ON ADMINISTRATIVELY WHICH WAS A CHANGE WHEN WINN-DIXIE WENT OUT OF BUSINESS AND THIS IS AN ADMIRALS CROSSING AND WE ADMINISTRATIVELY AMENDED THAT TO CHANGE IT TO A SPROUTS AND A PLANET FITNESS.
AGAIN, THAT'S AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS SLIDE AS WELL AND THEN ANOTHER ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL WE WORKED ON WITH SIMS CREEK PLAZA.
THEY DID AN ARCHITECTURAL CHANGE TO MEET WHAT WAS REQUIRED IN THAT DISTRICT AND THAT USED TO BE THE OLD NEXT TOMATO PIE BUILDING AND ITS REDONE NOW AS PART OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL PROCESS.
I'LL PAUSE HERE AGAIN BEFORE I MOVE ON. ANY QUESTIONS?
>> JUST LOOKING BACK AT PAGE 7 JUST TO LET MY COLLEAGUE SEE THAT WHEN WE, AND THERE WAS A LOT OF DEBATE ABOUT THIS WHEN WE LOWERED WHAT A PUD COULD BE TO CALL IT A TINY PUD OF SMALL SCALE, ONE OR TWO ACRES AND A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT IT AND CERTAINLY WE WANTED TO ALLOW STAFF TO DO SOME.
BUT THEN WE HAD AN EXCEPTION WHICH I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THE EXCEPTION FOR PROPERTIES ON AN ARTERIAL ROADWAYS WHERE YOU CAN HAVE INDIAN TOWN AND WHATEVER, SO THAT'S ACCEPTED HERE.
IT WOULDN'T BE A SMALL SCALE WITHOUT COMING UP.
IT WOULDN'T BE APPROVED WITHOUT COMING TO US, CORRECT?
>> YES. THE EXCEPTION IS EXCEPT FOR PROPERTIES ON ARTERIAL ROADWAYS BETWEEN ONE AND TWO ACRES.
SO ANYTHING LESS THAN ONE OR ANYTHING GREATER THAN TWO WOULD BE COMING TO YOU.
ANYTHING OVER TWO AUTOMATICALLY GOES TO YOU.
ANYTHING BETWEEN ONE AND TWO ON ARTERIAL ROADWAY COMES TO YOU AND THEN ANYTHING LESS THAN THAT WOULD BE ADMINISTRATIVE.
>> JUST ONE ITEM. I'M GENERALLY OKAY WITH MANY OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF ACTIONS.
BUT ONE THAT I THINK IT HAS BEEN TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF IS UNSHARED PARKING.
THERE ARE SOME SHARED PARKING LOTS THAT ARE REALLY CONSTRAINED ON PARKING SPACES AND THEN OVER THE COURSE OF TIME THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS GOTTEN AN ABUNDANCE OF SPECIAL ENTITLEMENTS OF THREE MINUTE PARKING, FIVE MINUTE PARKING, PARKING FOR THIS TO WHATEVER, AND WHEN YOU GO IN THOSE SHOPPING CENTERS, NOT JUST FOR SHOPPING, MEDICAL CENTERS WHATEVER, ABUNDANCE OF SPACES LEFT BUT SOMEONE DOESN'T THINK THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO USE THEM.
IN FACT, ONE I'M EVEN THINKING ABOUT
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THE DRY CLEANER HAS BEEN LONG GONE AND THE SIGNS ARE STILL THERE.I WOULD LIKE MORE ATTENTION GIVEN SOMEHOW WHETHER IT GOES IN HERE OR WHATEVER TO BEING MORE DISCRETIONARY ON GIVING OUT ON A SHARED PARKING SPACES THAT ARE DEDICATED BY SIGNAGE.
BECAUSE IT DEPRIVES THE PUBLIC FROM A SPACE THAT REALLY WASN'T ACCOUNTED FOR AS BEING NOW LIMITED TO JUST ONE.
MANY OF THEM WERE DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY AFTER THE FACT AND SO CAN WE JUST HOUSEKEEP THAT TO ADDRESS THAT?
>> ABSOLUTELY. WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.
>> JUST ANOTHER NOTE ON THIS ITEM.
I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH NUMBER 3 HERE.
I JUST THINK IN REGARDS TO SOME OF THE SMALLER DECISIONS THAT STAFF MAKES, IF POSSIBLE APPLICATIONS TO REJUVENATE THE PROPERTY.
IT KEEPS THE COST DOWN AND NOT HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS, COMING THROUGH THE WHOLE STAFF REPORT, COUNSEL, AND ALL THAT.
IF WE BECAME A LITTLE MORE STRINGENT ON WHAT YOU GUYS COULD DO ADMINISTRATIVELY IT COULD INHIBIT SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS OF THE TOWN ON THE SMALLER SCALE, SO I THINK FOR THE MOST PART YOU GUYS TO HAVE A BREAK GOOD JOB WITH THIS, SO I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT.
>> WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE LAST ITEM WHICH WAS A RECENT AD.
WE REFER TO THIS AS THE TWO-YEAR RULE, BUT THE ACTUAL TITLE OF THE RULE IS APPLICATION FOR RE-HEARINGS, WHICH STATES THAT ANY APPLICATION WHICH HAS BEEN DENIED BY THE TOWN COUNCIL MAY NOT BE RESUBMITTED FOR A PERIOD OF 24 MONTHS AFTER THE DENIAL.
NOT A LOT OF CLARITY, IT SEEMS STRAIGHTFORWARD WHEN YOU FIRST READ IT, BUT WHEN YOU GET INTO THE DETAILS, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CLARITY IN THAT STATEMENT.
WE REACHED OUT TO OUR COUNTERPARTS IN THE COUNTY TO SEE HOW OTHER MUNICIPALITIES HANDLE THIS, TO GIVE YOU SOME GUIDANCE, POTENTIALLY, MOST MUNICIPALITIES THAT RESPONDED, THEY HAVE A CHANGE IN DENSITY AND INTENSITY OF AROUND 25% OF THE PROJECT, AND THAT CAN BE AN INCREASE OR REDUCTION.
BOTH OF THOSE WOULD QUALIFY AS A NEW PROJECT IN THEIR EYES.
SOME HAVE A PREJUDICE SYSTEM WHERE IF SOMETHING'S DENIED WITH PREJUDICE, IT CAN'T COME BACK FOR A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN IT'S SOMETHING WAS DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT STRATEGIES THERE, BUT WE WANTED TO JUST GIVE YOU THE MAIN TAKEAWAY IS THAT CHANGES IN INTENSITY AND DENSITY ARE TYPICALLY WHAT THEY LOOK AT AS BEING A NEW PROJECT OR CONSTITUTING A NEW PROJECT.
>> START THIS ONE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I'LL LEAVE IT FOR YOU. OH YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
>> I'LL START ON THIS ONE. WHEN I CAME HERE, I THINK 2016, I WAS TOLD THE RULE WAS PUT AN APPLICATION.
YOU COULD WITHDRAW OR YOU GET NEITHER FOR TWO YEARS. I LIKED THAT RULE.
NOT THAT I LIKE DENYING ANYBODY BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO TELL ANYBODY, BUT I THINK IT KEEPS THE APPLICANT HONEST BECAUSE IF THEY KNOW IF THEY CAN COME BACK IN A MONTH, OR TWO, OR THREE LINEAR OR SO SOMETHING LARGE UP HERE.
THEY GET TONIGHT, THEY COME BACK, IT JUST BOGS DOWN STAFF.
I THINK IT MAKES FOR A MORE EFFICIENT PROCESS.
I MEAN, IF THEY'RE ALREADY SPENDING THE MONEY TO COME TO COUNCIL, COME AND BRING US THE BEST THING YOU HAVE THAT'S THE BEST FOR THE TOWN THAT YOU THINK BECAUSE THEY USUALLY TRY TO MEET WITH US AND SHOW THE PLANS.
WHAT DO YOU THINK? WHEN I MEET WITH DEVELOPERS AND I LOOK AT A PROJECT, I DON'T WANT TO GIVE TOO MUCH INPUT.
IF I SEE SOMEBODY I REALLY HATE, IT'S LIKE THAT'S NOT GOING TO FLY, BUT I LISTENED AND THEN THEY CAN BRING IT UP HERE.
BUT I THINK THEY GET A FEEL FOR WHAT APPROVAL WON'T APPROVE, MIGHT WANT TO TWEAK IT.
BUT I'M VERY LEERY OF JUST OPENING THE DOOR AND LET APPLICANTS NEXT MONTH, SAME PRODUCT.
WE TOOK OFF TWO UNITS OR A FLOOR OR WHATEVER.
I THINK WHICH IS YOU GUYS GO INSANE IF WE HAD THAT IN JUPITER.
I MEAN, THE TWO-YEAR RULE, I MEAN, YOU'VE BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH.
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF IT? IT'S EFFICIENT.
>> HONESTLY, IT'S NOT BEEN USED THAT MANY TIMES, EVEN BEEN HERE FOR ABOUT 11 YEARS AND I'VE ONLY SEEN IT REALLY COME UP ONE TIME THAT I CAN REALLY RECALL.
>> WE GAVE THAT APPLICANT THE OPTION TO WITHDRAW.
HE SAID GO AHEAD AND VOTE AND SAID, OKAY, WELL, VOTE AND GO TO NINE THERE BACK IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS.
I DON'T WANT MAKE THAT A PRECEDENT AND STUFF.
>> CORRECT. THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN DENIED HAVE COME BACK MUCH LATER.
THEY'VE CHANGED LAND USE TYPES, THEY'VE DONE OTHER THINGS.
>> THAT'S MY $0.02 [OVERLAPPING]
>> I QUITE QUICKLY COULDN'T RECALL WHERE WE DENIED ONE.
THAT WE HAD TO DENY ONE BECAUSE WE GENERALLY HAD ALWAYS GIVEN THEM THE OPTION TO WITHDRAW IT.
WHEN THE SEE IT'S GOING TO BE DENIED, THEY ALWAYS HAVE THE OPTION TO WITHDRAW IT AND COME BACK.
QUITE FRANKLY, I ALMOST DON'T WANT TO SPEND TOO MUCH TIME TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING HERE BECAUSE I AGREE WITH THE VICE MAYOR LIKE OKAY.
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ON THIS ONE WHEN IT CAME BACK AS I ASKED STAFF, HOW'S IT COMING BACK AND THEY GAVE ME THEIR LOGIC.I REALIZED THEN G, THE CODE DOESN'T PROVIDE THE LOGIC.
I'M NOT FINDING FAULT, IT'S DONE, WE'D HAPPENED, BUT ULTIMATELY, I THINK WE SHOULD BE THE JUDGE OF WHETHER OR NOT IT'S SUFFICIENTLY DIFFERENT.
OTHERWISE, IT REALLY IS EXERCISING STAFF.
I'M INCLINED TO STAY WITH IT BUT REINFORCE IT SAYING, HEY, BECAUSE THEY HAD THE OPTION TO WITHDRAW.
ANYWAY, THAT'S MY THOUGHT ON THAT, ANYBODY?
>> I THINK BOLSTERING THE TWO-YEAR RULE IS REALLY MORE OR LESS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
THIS IS MORE OR LESS THE BIGGEST PART OF THIS THAT I WAS MORE INTERESTED IN BECAUSE OF THE RECENT PROJECT THAT CAME BACK.
I WASN'T HAPPY ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY JUST CHANGED A COUPLE OF THINGS REALLY AND SUBMITTED AN ENTIRELY TO THEM AND NEW PROJECT, BUT IT WAS STILL AN APARTMENT PROJECT OR TOWNHOUSE PROJECT.
IT REALLY WASN'T A CHANGE IN MY MIND, THERE WAS CHANGE IN INTENSITY, DENSITY, BUT IT DOESN'T CHANGE.
WE HAD, WAS IT FISHERMAN'S WHARF WAS DENIED AND THEY RECENTLY CAME BACK WITH A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PROJECTS.
BUT THEY WAITED THE TWO YEARS BEFORE THEY RESUBMIT IT.
>> EVEN THOUGH THEY SUBMITTED A COMPLETELY NEW PROJECTS, I MEAN, IF THEY HAD DONE WHAT THIS OTHER APPLICANT HAD DONE, THEY COULD HAVE CAME BACK TWO MONTHS LATER AND SUBMITTED THEIR PROJECTS BASED ON WHAT THEY JUST TRIED TO DO.
I DON'T WANT TO SET THAT PRECEDENT WHERE I THINK IF WE'RE DENYING SOMEONE FOR TWO YEARS AND WE ARE VERY UPFRONT WITH THEM SAYING, IF YOU GET DENIED RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE NOT COMING BACK FOR TWO YEARS, SO PLEASE PULL YOUR APP AND COME BACK WITH THE CHANGES.
WE ARE VERY UPFRONT WITH THEM WHEN WE TELL THEM THAT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO GET DENIED.
IF WE DENY YOU, YOU'RE NOT COMING BACK FOR TWO YEARS PERIOD.
I THINK WE GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO PULL THEIR APPLICATION BEFORE WE VOTE ON IT.
I THINK THE TWO-YEAR RULE NEEDS TO BE A LOT STRONGER THAN SAY IF WE DENY YOU RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE NOT COMING BACK FOR TWO YEARS. I DON'T REALLY CARE WHAT IT IS.
>> I THINK THE PUBLIC FELT THAT WAY TOO.
THEY WERE STUNNED THAT IT WAS COMING BACK IN AND YOU DON'T WANT TO WATCH TWO CRITERIA THERE.
AGAIN, I THINK THERE'S A CONSENSUS ON THIS ONE TO REINFORCE IT.
>> WELL, THAT CONCLUDES WHAT I HAVE FOR YOU.
IF YOU'VE GOT ANY ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK OR CHANGES.
>> CAN WE GIVE DIRECTION ON THE PUDS, AND THE TWO UNITS, AND THE WORKFORCE HOUSING JUST TO EXPLORE, AND I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS, AND HOW THEY WORK TOGETHER.
BUT I AGREE THAT WE DO NEED THAT TO BE MORE PRODUCTIVE.
I DON'T SEE THE POINT OF THE TWO UNITS PER ACRE.
[OVERLAPPING] I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD POINT.
>> WELL, NUMBER 1 IS THIS IS A ROUND-TABLE CRUSHING STAFF IS HEARING.
EFFECTIVELY, MY COMMENTS BECOME MY POLICY BECAUSE IT IS DISCRETIONARY.
YOU'RE WEIGHING IN AT SOME POINT IN TIME IF IT IS MORE UNANIMOUS AND IT OUGHT TO BE.
WE'LL JUDGE THAT WHEN IT COMES BACK, BUT I THINK YOU MAY BE HEARING THAT IT OUGHT TO BE SPECIFIC IN AN UPDATE TO GET A PUD BONUS, THEN IT'S GOT TO BE WORKFORCE HOUSING.
IF THAT'S FOR WHATEVER, IT'S GOING TO COME BACK AND THIS IS A ROUND-TABLE, SO EVERYBODY CAN OPINION ABOUT THAT.
BUT I'VE MADE IT CLEAR THAT I'M GOING TO USE MY DISCRETION, WHICH IS IN THE CODE, SAYING THAT'S BUILDING OTHER EXPENSIVE UNIT THAT IS NOT AFFORDABLE TO WORKFORCE, IS NOT A PUBLIC BENEFIT TO GET MORE DENSITY, WE'RE NOT GAINING HERE.
ST. LUCIE COUNTY POSE AN 8,000-UNIT DEVELOPMENT, AND THEY HAD 400 WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS. WHAT'S THAT?
>> YEAH. THIS IS JUST IN THE LAST WEEK OR TWO.
I'M THINKING, ST. LUCIE USED TO BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE THAT COMMUTE INTO JUPITER, AND NOW, THEY'RE APPROVING A 8,000 UNIT PROJECT, THE BIGGEST, AND 400 WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS.
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HERE, YOU'RE HEARING SOMETHING DIFFERENT DOWN HERE.NOW, THE RATIO, IF THEY'RE GOING TO GET EXTRA UNITS, REALLY HAS TO BE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE MOVING THE NEEDLE MUCH ON A COUPLE HERE, A COUPLE THERE, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO GET EXTRA DENSITY, THEN IT HAS TO BE A HIGHER AMOUNT OF WORKFORCE HOUSING, WHICH IS NOT IN THE CODE RIGHT NOW. CORRECT?
>> I AGREE WITH THE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL THRESHOLD BECAUSE I DO THINK, ESPECIALLY IN TODAY'S ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT, IT IS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN EVER TO REFRESH THESE PROPERTIES.
I LIVE NEAR ANIMALS CROSSING, I'M GRATEFUL FOR SPROUTS AND THE QUALITY THAT THAT WAS WITHOUT ADDING MAJOR CHANGES.
I SAW WINN-DIXIE LANGUISH THERE FOR A WHILE.
I SEE A LOT OF EVIDENCE OF REALLY GOOD WORK AND IT BEING A SUCCESS. THANK YOU.
>> I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID, AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU GUYS DO.
I KNOW IT'S NOT AN EASY JOB, SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THE WORK AND CLEANING IT UP BEFORE IT REALLY EVER GETS TO US.
>> MOVING ON TO REPORTS. TOWN ATTORNEY.
[TOWN ATTORNEY ]
JUST OVER THE LAST TWO DAYS ON RISK PROTECTION ORDERS, WHICH YOU MAY KNOW OR RECOGNIZE AS THE RED FLAG LAWS THAT CAME OUT OF THE PARKLAND TRAGEDY.
DISCUSSING WITH THE JUDGE'S BAILIFF THERE.
APPARENTLY, JUPITER IS LEADING THE WAY IN TERMS OF THE USE OF THAT LAW AMONGST MUNICIPALITIES, WEST PALM BEING PROBABLY THE MOST ACTIVE IN USING THAT.
BUT WHAT I WANT TO SAY ABOUT THAT IS THAT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS REALLY LEADING THE WAY IN THAT REGARD, MAKING OUR COMMUNITY SAFER AND MAKING OUR SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES SAFER.
[TOWN MANAGER]
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK PROJECT UPDATES.
THE JONES CREEK VEGETATION TRIMMING PROJECT, WE ARE PLANNING IN STARTING THAT THIS WEEK.
I KNOW WE'LL BE STARTING THE DOLPHIN DRIVE PROJECT COMING UP IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE.
THE TOWN HALL CONSTRUCTION PROJECT CONTINUES TO MOVE ALONG VERY NICELY.
I'M NOT SURE HOW THE INSPECTION WENT THIS AFTERNOON, BUT IF EVERYTHING WENT WELL, THEY WERE GOING TO ACTUALLY TURN THE AIR CONDITIONING ONTO THE BUILDING TODAY AND START THE DRYING OUT PROCESS AND THAT STUFF.
WE ARE ANTICIPATING BEING ABLE TO START STOCKING AROUND THE SECOND OR THIRD WEEK OF NOVEMBER, AND THAT'S WHEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO BRING IN THE MODULAR FURNITURE AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
THEY WILL BE FINISHING UP THE FLOORING AND PUTTING A LOT OF THE TRIM WORK IN THEIR.
I WAS IN THERE JUST THE OTHER DAY, AND IT WAS REALLY REMARKABLE TO SEE THE LIGHT FIXTURES HANGING ON THE WALLS.
I THINK YOU SAW SOME PHOTOS IN YOUR WEEKLY UPDATE.
THEN WE'RE ANTICIPATING MOVING IN IN EARLY DECEMBER, AND THEN BEING ABLE TO OPERATIONALIZE OUT OF THERE DEPENDING ON THE HOLIDAYS COMING UP, MAYBE THE LAST WEEK OF DECEMBER, EARLY JANUARY.
THEN ALSO PLANNING ON AN EARLY JANUARY RIBBON-CUTTING TO COINCIDE WITH THE FIRST TOWN COUNCIL MEETING IN THE NEW COUNCIL CHAMBERS, WHICH SHOULD BE THE END OF SOMEWHERE AROUND THE MIDDLE OR END OF JANUARY.
PRETTY EXCITING. THINGS ARE GOING REALLY, REALLY WELL.
I'LL KEEP YOU UPDATED. THAT'S MY REPORT, MAYOR.
>> COUNCILOR SUNDSTROM, COUNCILOR MAY.
[TOWN COUNCIL – LIAISON REPORTS AND COMMENTS]
>> TWO THINGS. I KNOW EVERYBODY HAD RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM MARY HINTON'S DAUGHTER REQUESTING SOMETHING TO BE DONE FOR HER, A MEMORY OF HER.
I HAD SPOKEN WITH HER, AND I CAME UP WITH THE IDEA, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE AWESOME TO NAME THE NEW COUNCIL CHAMBERS AND THE NEW TOWN HALL AFTER MAYOR MARY D. HINTON.
WE CALL IT THE MARY D. HINTON COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
I THINK IT'D BE A GOOD OWE TO SOMEONE WHO GAVE A LOT TO THIS COMMUNITY,
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NOT ONLY AS A PUBLIC SERVANT, BUT WITH THE MORAL RENEWAL COALITION AND THINGS LIKE THAT.I'LL JUST MAKE A MOTION RIGHT NOW TO START THE PROCESS AND NAME THE NEW COUNCIL CHAMBERS AFTER MARY D. HINTON.
>> I DO THINK THAT, FIRST OF ALL, I DO KNOW MARY HINTON.
MY EARLY YEARS ON COUNCIL, I KNOW HER MORE FOR HER ACTIONS IN THE PUBLIC, SHE HAD DONE SOME INCREDIBLE ITEMS JOBS OUTSIDE OF BEING A MAYOR, EVEN IS THE POINT I'M MAKING IN CHARITABLE EFFORTS.
I DO THINK THAT THE TOWN SHOULD DO SOMETHING.
I'M IN FAVOR OF I THINK, COUNCILOR SUNDSTROM OR OTHERS HAD COMMENTED THAT WE OUGHT TO HAVE A POLICY ESTABLISHED.
I DO THINK IT'S TIME HERE TO GET THAT ESTABLISHED.
IN DOING THAT, LET'S LOOK AT THE THINGS THAT WE COULD DO, AND THEN WHEN SOMETHING COMES UP LIKE THIS, AND WE WANT TO HONOR SOMEBODY, WE HAVE SOME ITEMS LISTED.
BUT I ASK MY OTHER TWO COLLEAGUES WHOSE PROPOSAL MADE.
>> I AGREE BECAUSE THIS WILL COME UP MORE AND MORE OFTEN, SO I'M IN FAVOR OF SOMETHING.
I JUST WANT MORE TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT AND MAYBE HAVE MORE OPTIONS.
THAT IT SEE WHAT'S APPROPRIATE, THAT'S ALL.
I'M JUST NOT READY TO VOTE ON THAT TONIGHT, BUT I'M IN FAVOR OF SOMETHING.
>> YEAH. I AGREE AS WELL. I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME THING.
I DID SAY THOUGH WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE POLICIES.
THIS IS THE THIRD NAMING THIS YEAR, SO WE COULD SEE OTHERS.
SHE ABSOLUTELY DESERVES TO BE RECOGNIZED, BUT WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE POLICIES, SO WE CAN BE CONSISTENT MOVING FORWARD AND BRING IT BACK, SO I AGREE.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A POLICY, THAT'S THE POINT.
I THINK COULD STAFF BEGIN A DRAFT OF ONE AND THEN CIRCULATE IT FOR COMMENTS?
>> WE HAVE ONE AND IT CAME UP WITH THE FIRST ONE THIS YEAR, BUT IT'S VERY VAGUE.
I'VE LOOKED AT OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT ACTUALLY WENT INTO MUCH MORE DEPTH AROUND IT BECAUSE THERE WERE SO MANY APPLICATIONS [LAUGHTER] COMING IN.
I THINK IT WOULD BE WISE TO FLESH IT OUT AND BE MORE SPECIFIC.
>> I AGREE, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WE HAD ONE, BE HONEST SURE.
I HAVEN'T SEEN IT, IF WE HAVE ONE.
>> BUT I GOT THE EMAIL AND I READ IT UP HERE, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING, I'M JUST HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO REALLY JUST.
>> YEAH. THAT WAS GOOD. THE THING THAT POPPED IN MY MIND, JUST BEING THAT SHE WAS MAYOR FOR 10 YEARS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT AND ORDER TO SOMEONE WHO GAVE SO MUCH TO THIS COMMUNITY.
I THINK WHAT A BETTER WAY THAN TO SOMETHING.
TO ME, IT'S SMALL, BUT IT'S A LARGE GESTURE.
IT'S JUST THAT THE MAYOR DIDN'T HIDDEN COUNCIL CHAMBERS SO.
THE SECOND THING THAT I HAD WAS I SPOKE WITH A COUPLE OF MEMBERS, COUPLE OF DIRECTORS, VET JTA.
I KNOW WE JUST SETTLED UP THE LAWSUIT AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT SO I'D LIKE TO TRY TO SEE IF WE CAN LOOK AT ENTERING INTO A NEW INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE PALM BEACH COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD FOR USE OF THEIR FACILITIES FOR REC ACTIVITIES.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY BE EXCLUSIVE.
I'D REFER TO THE TIME MANAGER ON THAT ONE, BUT THEY PAY A LOT OF MONEY TO BE ABLE TO RENT THESE FACILITIES BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN INNER LOCAL.
IF WE DID, THEN THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THEY PAY FOR THE SCHOOL SPORTS, WHETHER IT'S THE FIELDS.
WE HAD TO COME UP WITH, THE SOCCER GROUP OR THE GYMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AT OUR SCHOOLS.
>> I THINK I KNOW IT CAME UP WITH ME AT THE LAST MEET THE COUNCIL GATHERING.
I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT, BUT ACTUALLY, I THINK I HAD TALKED TO THE DIRECTOR RECTOR IN.
THAT WAS ON THE LIST OF THINGS TO DO AND I REINFORCED THAT WE NEED TO REALLY PUSH.
I'M JUST SUPPORTIVE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M SUPPORTIVE OF NOT ONLY DO WE NEED TO ASK THAT, BUT THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO POTENTIALLY IF WE'RE GETTING RESISTANCE FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
ALTHOUGH I THOUGHT WE MIGHT HAVE IT IN THERE, BUT IF NOT OR EVEN WITH THAT, WE STILL MAY NEED TO TALK TO SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS IF NEED BE BECAUSE, GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE WORKING TOGETHER AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I'VE ALWAYS BEEN IT'S NOTHING MORE AS GOVERNMENTS, WE OUGHT TO BE SHARING FACILITIES OR WHAT HAVE YOU WHERE YOU CAN AS OPPOSED TO HAVING REDUNDANT FACILITIES.
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>> MAYOR, I JUST HAD A VERY GOOD MEETING WITH THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR JTA I THINK JUST YESTERDAY.
I CAN'T REMEMBER, IT'S FRIDAY [LAUGHTER] HERE YESTERDAY, IT'S A CRAZY MY SCHEDULE IS.
THEN WE HAD A VERY GOOD MEETING AND I WAS SURPRISED TO LEARN THAT ACTUALLY THE RATE THAT THEY'RE PAYING IS A RATE THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH BEING A NON-PROFIT OR I THINK THEY'RE ARE 501, C3.
BETWEEN THE TWO GROUPS, WE'LL COME UP WITH A LIST OF THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO TO MOVE THIS PROCESS AND PROJECT FORWARD.
ONE OF WHICH IS TO GO BACK TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT THEY WOULD NEED FROM US TO AFFECT THAT RATE.
I DID NOT AT THE TIME COMMIT TO PAYING THAT WHATEVER THAT RATE IS OR PAYING THE OVERALL BILL, I'LL BRING THAT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR DIRECTION.
BUT THE MEETING WAS VERY GOOD AND WE SEEM TO BE SATISFIED THERE, AND SO I'LL KEEP MOVING AHEAD ON IT.
BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE GETTING A DIFFERENT RATE BASED ON BEING A NOT-FOR-PROFIT, AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT WAS RELAYED TO ME BY THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.
>> WELL, WHAT I UNDERSTOOD AND I COULD BE WRONG.
BUT AT ONE POINT IN TIME BECAUSE I REMEMBER WHEN WE ADVOCATED TO GET AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE AND YEARS AND YEARS AGO, AND THEN WHEN IT WAS PUT IN PLACE AND RUSS HADN'T BEEN THE ONE TO GET THAT FIRST ONE IS I THOUGHT JTA WAS GETTING IT FOR NOTHING BECAUSE THEY WERE CONSIDERED PART OF THE TOWN.
BUT CAN WE JUST CONFIRM WHAT THEY WERE SO WE UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE CHANGE THEY'RE REACTING TO? BECAUSE WHAT I'D HEARD WAS AT ONE POINT THEY WERE BEING VIEWED LIKE THE TOWN BECAUSE JUST LIKE THE SCHOOLS LIKE TO USE OUR COMMUNITY CENTER SO WE WERE ABLE TO WORK OUT WHAT IT WAS AN EXCHANGE.
IN THE EARLY YEARS, AGAIN, I THOUGHT AS RUSS THAT I IMAGINED THIS AND IT NEVER HAPPENED, BUT THEN THEY WERE CHANGING TO NOW THEY WERE CHARGING BECAUSE IT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THEY REALIZED JTA WAS NOT THE TOWN.
MAYBE IT WAS EVEN IN AN INTERPRETATION OF WHAT WAS IN THE AGREEMENT THAT MAYBE FOR AWHILE THEY JUST THOUGHT IT WAS THE TOWN AND THEN WHEN THE REALIZED THEY NOW CALL THEM A NON-PROFIT SO NOW THEY HAVE TO PAY.
>> WE'LL FOLLOW UP ON THAT MAYOR.
AGAIN IN MY GENERAL CONVERSATIONS YOU'RE THERE, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WHATEVER THE FEE WAS, THE TOWN WAS PAYING, AND SO THERE WAS SOME TYPE OF A FEE INVOLVED AND THAT WE WERE PAYING THAT FEE.
I'LL FOLLOW UP AND GET THE DETAILS, AND BE ABLE TO REPORT BACK TO YOU.
>> TELL ME I TRIED A CYCLE WERE ALSO DOING THE RECREATION MASTER PLANNING PROCESS SO THAT WILL SURELY INCLUDE SOME OF THESE ITEMS, IT'S A FULL PICTURE.
LOOK AT RECREATION, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE OF THAT PROCESS?
>> WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON, I'M THINKING THAT I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT MY NOTES, COUNCIL, BUT I THINK WE HAVE THE OR CLOSE TO PICKING THE CONSULTANT TO DO THAT, BUT I JUST CAN'T REMEMBER WHERE WE ARE IN THAT WHOLE PROCESS HERE.
I THINK THE SYSTEM TELL ME I'M JUST GOING TO LET US KNOW.
>> AS YOU KNOW, YOU APPROVED THE CONTRACT WITH THE CONSULTANT LAST MEETING SO OUR NEXT STEP IS TO SCHEDULE A KICKOFF MEETING WITH THEM.
THEY ANTICIPATE IT BEING ABOUT A NINE-MONTH PROCESS.
FIRST STEPS IN THAT WILL BE INFORMATION GATHERING, UNDERSTANDING CURRENT STATE, LOOKING AT A GAP ANALYSIS, AND THEN DOING SOME PUBLIC OUTREACH OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.
>> BUT JUST TO BE CLEAR, THAT NINE-MONTH TIMEFRAME IS NOT GOING TO IMPACT SOME OF THE PROJECTS WE HAVE ON HAND, THE PLAYGROUND PROJECTS, AND I DON'T WANT ANY CONFUSION ON THAT.
>> JUST THE LAST THING I HAD WAS I RECEIVE COMMUNICATIONS FROM ERNIE WITH THE JUPITER HISTORICAL SOCIETY IN THEIR REQUEST FOR A LIQUOR LICENSE IN THEIR BUILDING.
I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME HANG-UPS ON THAT SIDE AND INTERPRETATIONS IS WHETHER OR NOT THEY APPLY FOR IT.
I KNOW I SPOKE TO THE TOWN MANAGER AND WE DIDN'T WANT TO SEE ANOTHER ITALIAN AND SOCIAL CLUB THING WITH WHATEVER.
I HAVE THE UTMOST CONFIDENCE WITH WHAT HE HAS DONE WITH THE SIMS HOUSE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD NOT DIVULGE INTO SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.
I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE DIRECTION TO STAFF TO GO AHEAD AND WORK WITH HIM TO GET HIS LIQUOR LICENSE APPROVED, IF POSSIBLE, PLEASE.
>> THANK YOU CAPTURED. JUST FOR THE RECORD, THEY DID NOT SUGGEST THAT ANY POINT IN TIME THAT YOU WOULD [OVERLAPPING] I KNOW RONNIE
[02:05:03]
FOR MANY YEARS AND WORKED WITH THEM BOTH AS THE POLICE CHIEF AND NOW AS THE TOWN MANAGER.WHAT I WAS MERELY REFERRING TO IS THE FACT THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE A PROCESS AND FOLLOW THE PROCESS.
I HAD SOME INFORMATION THAT I FORWARDED ON TO COUNCIL REGARDING THE TOWN ORDINANCES AND ZONING AND THAT STUFF.
I CAN CERTAINLY RESEND IT OR IF YOU'D LIKE TO MEET DIRECTLY OVER IT UP, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER WHATEVER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
IT MAY REQUIRE AN ORDINANCE CHANGE.
>> I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS. THE TIME IS NOW, 9:04 AND WE'LL ADJOURN THE MEETING. THANK YOU..
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.