Aug 15, 2023 Town Council

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>> GOOD EVENING. THE TIME IS NOW 07:00 P.M,

[Call to Order]

WE'LL BEGIN WITH AN INVOCATION, FOLLOWED BY A MOMENT OF SILENCE, AND THEN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

>> DEAR GOD, MAY ALL WHO SERVE BE MINDFUL OF THEIR DUTY TO SEEK WHAT IS TRUE AND GRACIOUS AND PROMOTING THE WELL-BEING OF THE COMMUNITY. AMEN.

>> AMEN.

>> LET'S HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE.

>> PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE.

>>

>> CLERK, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE?

>> MAYOR KURETSKI.

>> HERE.

>> COUNCILOR DELANEY.

>> HERE.

>> COUNCILOR MAY.

>> HERE.

>> COUNCILOR SUNDSTROM.

>> HERE.

>> TOWN MANAGER KITZEROW.

>> HERE.

>> TOWN ATTORNEY BAIRD.

>> HERE.

>> GOOD. TONIGHT WE HAVE I GUESS THE FIRST PRESENTATION IS BEING CONTINUED TO 95,

[1. Florida League of Cities presenting the Florida Municipal Achievement Public Engagement Award to the Town for the Passport to Jupiter.]

[2. Pearl Mae Foundation.]

>> MAYOR, REAL QUICK, BEFORE THEY GET STARTED, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A QUICK MODIFICATION TO THE AGENDA IF POSSIBLE.

WE DO HAVE A PRESENTATION AT THE END OF THIS AGENDA.

I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN MOVE THAT PRESENTATION UP UNDER THIS NEXT PRESENTATION.

ALL THE PRESENTATIONS ARE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE AGENDA.

>> THAT WEREN'T GOING TO INCLUDE SOME DISCUSSIONS.

I'M PERSONALLY OKAY WITH MOVING IT AFTER THE CONSENT AGENDA, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO MOVE IT.

>> OKAY.

>> THAT'S THE COUNCIL'S PREROGATIVE.

>> IT'S FINE.

>> DO WE HAVE SOMEONE HERE FROM PEARL MAE FOUNDATION?

>> GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. [BACKGROUND] I WISH ALL CAN SEE MY BROCHURE, I'LL PUT IT UP HERE BECAUSE MY OUTFIT MATCHES IT PERFECTLY.

AM I GOING TO HAVE THE PRESENTATION? IS IT GOING TO BE ON THE SCREEN?

>> [BACKGROUND].

>> THANK YOU.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> SWEET. COME ON, LOOK AT THAT.

[LAUGHTER] GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME.

I GOT SOME NOTES DOWN HERE AND I'M GOING TO BE LOOKING UP THERE AS WELL, SO I HOPE YOU DON'T MIND.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LETTING ME PRESENT TODAY.

I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE ALL DONE.

I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK YOU DO IN JUPITER.

I CAME HERE IN SEPTEMBER 2021.

I'VE BEEN WELCOMED SO WONDERFULLY, AND IT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH WHAT YOU'VE SUPPORTED US WITH, SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.

I WANTED TO START BY GIVING A HISTORY OF WHAT THE PEARL MAE FOUNDATION IS, BUT I'M GOING TO START WITH MY QUICK HISTORY OF WHY I'M IN THIS POSITION.

MY PARENTS DIED WHEN I WAS A KID.

WHEN MY PARENTS DIED, MY GRAND PARENTS, MY MOTHER'S PARENTS TOOK ON THAT ROLE.

MY GRANDPARENTS RAISED ME.

THEY SHOWED ME WHAT LOVE IS, WHAT IT'S NOT, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, WHEN IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE.

THAT HAS MADE ME WHO'S THE PERSON I AM AND I AM LUCKY ENOUGH TO BE IN CHARGE OF A FOUNDATION THAT HELPS SENIORS, THE ONES THAT ARE IN MOST NEED OF SUPPORT.

I AM VERY FORTUNATE AND BLESSED TO BE IN THAT SITUATION.

PEARL MAE WAS A PERSON, AN ACTUAL PERSON.

SHE WAS WHAT I WOULD CALL MY SUPER BOSS, THE CORPORATE ENTITY THAT IS ABOVE OUR FOUNDATION.

SHE IS THE GRANDMOTHER OF MY SUPER BOSS.

HER NAME WAS PEARL MAE.

WHAT SHE DID WAS SHE LIVED IN CENTRAL FLORIDA, AND WHAT SHE NOTICED WAS THAT IF A PLACE DIDN'T HAVE A CHURCH OR A LOCAL COMMUNITY AND A GROUP OF PEOPLE, A FAMILY, ANYONE IN NEED, WITHOUT A LUCK, THEY DIDN'T HAVE A SUPPORT TO HELP WITH CLOTHING DRIVES, EXTRA FOOD, PAY FOR BILLS WHEN SURGERIES ARE NEEDED, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SHE WOULD GO INTO THOSE LOCATIONS AND SHE WOULD PUT A CHURCH THERE.

SHE WOULD PUT COMMUNITY CENTERS THERE.

SHE WOULD CREATE CLOTHING DRIVES AND HER GRANDDAUGHTER, DEBBIE, WATCH THIS HAPPEN, AND SAID, WHEN I'M IN A POSITION TO GIVE BACK, I'M GOING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS ON A LARGER SCALE AND GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY THAT SUPPORTS ME.

SHE NOW RUNS A COMPANY,

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THANK YOU FOR THAT, THAT WORKED WONDERFULLY.

WE'VE GOT THREE MAIN PROGRAMS. PEARL'S PANTRY, WHICH IS WHAT I'M TELLING YOU ABOUT TODAY, MAINLY.

WHERE WE FEED LOW-INCOME SENIORS IN JUPITER EVERY TWO WEEKS FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR.

SOMEPLACE IT'S A FOOD BANK MIGHT GIVE 10,000 PEOPLE THE EQUIVALENT OF A BANANA AND A THREE BANANAS EVERY COUPLE OF WEEKS, WE TAKE CARE OF LESS PEOPLE, WITH FAR MORE THAN JUST FOOD AND FINANCIAL SUPPORT.

WE HAVE A SENIOR GRANT PROGRAM, SO IF SOMEBODY HAS AN EMERGENCY, YOU CAN'T PAY YOUR ELECTRICAL BILLS, YOU CAN'T TURN YOUR LIGHTS ON, YOU CAN'T GET OUT IN YOUR CAR, YOU DON'T HAVE FOOD, THINGS THESE EMERGENCY NEEDS, AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO GO.

WE PROVIDE THAT ANNUAL GRANT OF UP TO $500 TO HELP BUT THAT NEED AND IT'S AN EMERGENCY GRANTS IN TIMES OF "EMERGENCY".

WE ALSO GET TUITION SCHOLARSHIPS.

THE IDEA BEING WHO'S GOING TO TAKE CARE OF SENIORS IN THE FUTURE WHEN I'M OLDER. WHO'S GOING TO DO THAT? WE GIVE TO SCHOLARSHIPS TO KIDS GOING INTO THE HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY, FIRST RESPONDER, POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND ALL THAT AND GIVE BACK TOWARDS THAT.

THIS IS JAMES. BESIDES GIVING OUT FOOD AND FINANCIAL RELIEF, WE FILL IN GAPS.

WHAT DO SENIORS WANT? WHAT DO THEY HAVE ACCESS TO? WHAT ARE THEY UNABLE TO HAVE? THIS IS JAMES FIRST VIRTUAL TRIP.

HE WANTED TO GO TO THAILAND, HE CAN'T GO TO THAILAND.

HE CAN'T AFFORD THAILAND, HE CAN'T GET TO THE PLACES HE WANTS TO GO.

YOU CAN'T SEE IT NOW, BUT HE IS IN THAILAND.

HE'S ON A BEAUTIFUL KAYAK, HIS AWESOME AND HE LOVED IT.

THERE ARE MORE PICTURES BESIDES THAT, THAT SHOW HOW HAPPY HE IS WITH IT.

WE WOULD DO THIS WITH PEOPLE WHERE WE WOULD BRING PEOPLE IN.

MY FAVORITE THING IS THAT YOU CAN GO TO YOUR HOMETOWN.

A LOT OF MY CLIENTS WOULD SHOW ME WHERE THEY GREW UP, THE STREET THEY GREW UP ON.

I WOULD BE, THAT'S THE MAILBOX THAT MY MOM GOT MAD AT ME ABOUT OF WHEN MY SISTER DID THIS, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, ME AND MY VOLUNTEERS WE'RE ALL CONNECTED TO OUR CLIENTS.

WE'RE SEEING WHERE THEY GREW UP, THEY'RE SHARING IT WITH ME, THEY'RE WALKING DOWN THE STREET, THEY'RE SEEING THE WAY IT LOOKS NOW.

IT'S ABOUT ACCESS TO THINGS.

THIS IS MARIE'S FIRST DRONE.

THIS WASN'T ME LOOKING AND SAYING, WHAT DO SENIORS NEED MORE OF FLYING DRONES? THAT WAS NOT HOW I WENT ABOUT THIS.

I WAS GOING ON A FIELD TRIP TO THE JUPITER FARMS NOURISHING GARDEN, AND JUST DRONE COMPANY REACHED OUT TO ME AFTER I JUST REACHED OUT AND SAID, HEY, YOU INTERESTED IN DOING SOMETHING AND I JUST RAN WHICH I SEND AN EMAIL TO THEIR GENERAL INBOX, AND THEY WROTE BACK SAYING, GIVEN EVENT, WE'D LOVE TO BRING A COUPLE OF DRONES AND A BUNCH OF PILOTS ALONG TO DO IT.

MARIE WANTED TO KNOW HOW TO FLY A DRONE.

SHE SAID SHE CAN DO IT BY HERSELF, LEAVE ME ALONE, THAT'S HER DOING IT.

POINT AGAIN IS NOT THAT WE'RE GIVING SENIORS ACCESS TO DRONE.

THE POINT IS WE ARE A SUPPORT SYSTEM THAT LISTENS TO OUR CLIENTS AND WE KNOW THEM VERY WELL AND I'LL TELL YOU MORE HOW AND WE HELP PROVIDE THEM WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO HAVE, WHETHER THEY KNEW IT EXISTED OR IT DIDN'T.

SOMETHING THAT GIVES THEM A PEP IN THEIR STEP AND GIVES THEM A PURPOSE.

THIS IS OUR FIELD TRIP WE WENT ON.

WE WENT TO THE NURSERY AND GARDEN.

DANNY'S FIRST DREAMCATCHER.

EVERYBODY MADE ONE.

THE IDEA IS THAT THIS WASN'T JUST DANNY FACE, THIS IS EVERYBODY'S FACE WHEN ON A FIELD TRIP.

THIS IS AGAIN, OUR CLIENTS THAT WE FEED, HELP FINANCIALLY, HELP SUPPORT.

NOW TO PEARL'S PANTRY, THE DELIVERY SERVICE, OUR MAIN PROGRAM.

THIS IS ELSA. THIS IS ELSA'S FACE AFTER WE GAVE HER OUR FIRST DELIVERY.

SHE WAS STOKED. PARDON MY LANGUAGE.

VERY EXCITED.

BUT THAT'S ODDLY WHAT SHE LOOKS LIKE EVERY TIME WE COME DELIVER IT, BUT THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME.

LET ME TELL YOU WHAT THESE DELIVERIES LOOK LIKE, WHAT THEY SOUND LIKE.

TRY TO IMAGINE IT. THIS IS PEARL'S PANTRY.

WE CAME ABOUT DURING THE PANDEMIC.

AGAIN, WE COULD NOT HAVE DONE THIS WITHOUT THE CARES ACT AND THE TOWN OF JUPITER SUPPORT OF BELIEVING IN US AND GIVING US MONEY TOWARDS IT.

WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE A ROBUST PROGRAM THAT WE CREATED.

WE WOULD NOT HAVE HAD THE TIME TO BE ABLE TO FINE TUNE EVERYTHING THE WAY WE DID.

I AM MOST PROUD OF THIS, OF EVERYTHING IN MY ENTIRE LIFE.

A CLOSE SECOND IS THE FACT THAT I TAUGHT MYSELF PIANO DURING THE MIDDLE OF THE PANDEMIC AND MY GRANDFATHER PLAYED PIANO, SO I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

BUT MY NUMBER ONE THING, THIS PROGRAM, I COULDN'T BE MORE PROUD OF IT.

IT IS A TEMPLATE THAT I WOULD LOVE TO GO BACK TO, THAT I WOULD LOVE TO BE A TEMPLATE FOR OTHER CITIES AND OTHER PLACES TO USE AND BE ABLE TO SAY THE TOWN OF JUPITER WAS THE ONE THAT BELIEVED IN US, THEY WERE THE ONES THAT SUPPORTED IT, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE SHOULD COPY TO SUPPORT THEIR LOW-INCOME SENIORS, PEOPLE WITHOUT SUCH A SUPPORT SYSTEM.

IN THE WAKE OF THE PANDEMIC, PEARL'S PANTRY WAS CREATED.

ITS ORIGINAL PURPOSE WAS PROVIDING FOOD TO ANY AND ALL SENIORS WHO NEEDED IT, BUT WITH A PREFERENCE TO JUPITER RESIDENTS.

SINCE ITS INCEPTION, PEARL'S PANTRY HAS

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WE PROVIDE BIWEEKLY DELIVERIES AND INCLUDE TWO WEEKS WORTH OF FRESH PRODUCE, EGGS, MEAT, AND SPECIALIZED SHELF-STABLE ITEMS YOU WILL NOT FIND IN OTHER FOOD PANTRIES.

IN OTHER WORDS, WE PROVIDE AN ENTIRE YEAR'S WORTH OF FOOD TO EACH OF OUR LOW-INCOME SENIOR CLIENTS WHILE KEEPING THEM HEALTHY AND INFORMED THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.

NEXT PAGE. PEARL'S PANTRY, HOW DOES IT WORK? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT YOU TO KNOW HOW WE FOUND OUT THIS INFORMATION AND HOW CLIENTS COME TO US, THROUGH 211, THROUGH LOCAL SENIOR CENTERS, THROUGH THE TOWN OF JUPITER, THROUGH LOCAL INSURANCE COMPANIES.

HUMANA AND PLACES LIKE THAT ARE RECOMMENDING AND DOING SOME REFERRAL WORK ON THEIR END.

ALSO, MY CLINIC THAT I KNOW YOU GUYS KNOW NOW, WE GET A LOT OF REFERRALS FROM THAT, AND THE MOST POPULAR ONE IS A NEIGHBOR SEEING FOOD GO INTO THEIR NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE AND GOING, WAIT, WHAT'S THAT? HOW DID THEY GET THAT? THAT'S THE BIG ONE.

THIS IS OUR PROCESS AND THIS IS THE FOOD WE PROVIDE.

I TOOK A SURVEY OF EVERYTHING THAT WAS PROVIDED PANTRY WIDE, SO WORK WITH THE UNITED WAY OF PALM BEACH COUNTY.

I'M ONE OF THE CO-CHAIRS.

WE REALIZED THAT THERE'S TONS OF CHURCH PANTRIES THAT PROVIDE GENERAL DRY FOOD STAPLES, LOT OF GENERAL PANTRIES THAT DO THAT HERE, A LOT OF CANNED GOODS, A LOT OF HIGH SALT CONTENT, A LOT OF BREAD, A LOT OF THOSE THINGS, TONS OF THAT AVAILABLE.

BUT WHAT DID PEOPLE NEED? BASED ON MEDICAL RECORDS OR BASED ON MEDICAL SUPPORT, HEALTHIER FOODS, THINGS THAT ARE FRESH, GOOD FOR YOUR BODY'S.

WHAT DID PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT? HEALTHIER FOODS, MEATS, PROTEINS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE'VE FOCUSED ON WHAT WE REALIZED WASN'T PROVIDED ELSEWHERE AND WHAT THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH UP, SO 80% OF WHAT WE PROVIDE IS PRODUCE, GENERAL PRODUCE ITEMS THAT EVERYONE USES.

WHETHER YOU LOVE BANANAS OR NOT.

SOMEONE IN YOUR FAMILY DOES, IS A GENERAL ITEMS THAT MOST PEOPLE CAN UTILIZE, WHETHER THEY LOVE THEM OR CAN ACCESS THEM.

WE ALSO GIVE THEM MEAT, MOSTLY CHICKEN OR BEEF.

THESE ARE OUR MAJOR FOCUSES AND A LITTLE PERK IS THAT WE WORK WITH ROSE'S ICE CREAM.

THEY HAVE FRESH FRUIT POPSICLES THAT ARE NO ADDED SUGARS AND HEALTHY AND WE PROVIDE THOSE.

PEOPLE GET MOST EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

ODDLY ENOUGH, YOU SHOULD SEE THEIR FACES.

BUT THE PROCESS IS VERY COOL.

WHEN SOMEONE FINDS OUT WHETHER IT'S A TWO-IN-ONE OR FROM A NEIGHBOR OR SOMETHING, THEY CAN APPLY ONLINE, BUT MOST PEOPLE CALL, THEY CALL ME, TALK TO ME OR VOLUNTEER.

NEXT THING THEY QUALIFIED FOR THE PROGRAM.

WHAT DOES QUALIFY MEAN? YOU HAVE TO BE OVER 62.

YOU HAVE TO LIVE IN JUPITER AND YOU HAVE TO SAY THAT YOU ARE IN NEED OF FOOD, WE DO NOT QUALIFY YOU, WE DO NOT LOOK AT BILLS.

WE DO NOT MAKE YOU BRAVO FOR IT.

IF YOU NEED FOOD, WE PROVIDE FOR YOU.

OUR GRANT PROGRAM, WE FINANCES.

THAT ONE YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE BILLS BECAUSE THAT'S HAVING DOLLARS GIVEN TO SOMEBODY.

NEXT. IF SOMEBODY REALLY NEEDS A DELIVERY IMMEDIATELY, WE'LL PROVIDE THAT TO THEM ON THAT SAME DAY IF THEY SAY THEY REALLY NEED IT.

BUT IT'S ALWAYS WITHIN TWO WEEKS.

AFTER THAT, WE HAVE A CASE MANAGER WHO CALLS THEM UP AFTER THEIR FIRST DELIVERY AND CHECKS, DID THEY EAT ALL THE FOOD? WHAT COULD WE HAVE DONE BETTER? WHETHER THEY HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS? ARE THEY ALLERGIC TO ANYTHING? ARE THERE DETAILS WE SHOULD KNOW? HOW CAN WE GET TO KNOW THEM BETTER? THEN AFTER THAT, IF THERE'S ANYTHING BEYOND THAT, OUR NUTRITIONIST WILL REACH OUT TO THEM AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT THEIR FOOD NEEDS.

IF THEY DON'T HAVE ONE WITH THEIR OWN DOCTOR.

JUST GENERAL THINGS NOT DIAGNOSING THEM, NOTHING LIKE THAT.

JUST HOW DO I MAKE WHITE RICE TASTES BETTER? HOW DO I UTILIZE THE STOREFRONT THAT I HAVE? I KNOW WHAT'S IN SEASON, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE JUST CHOMPING AT IT, THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT WE'RE A LOT MORE THAN THIS.

HERE'S HOW ELSE WE SUPPORT OUR SENIORS.

TO BE HONEST, WE PROVIDE FOOD MOSTLY, WE PROVIDE FINANCIAL RELIEF MOSTLY.

BUT I THINK IF YOU ASKED EVERY ONE OF OUR SENIORS, OUR CLIENTS, OUR 82 CLIENTS WHICH GO UP AND DOWN BETWEEN 71-100.

WHAT THEY LIKE MOST IS THAT THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT'S THINKING ABOUT THEM, SOMEONE THEY CAN DEPEND ON IF THEY CAN'T REACH THEIR SHOWER CURTAIN AND THEY'RE EMBARRASSED, THEY CAN ASK US AND WE ARE GOING TO HELP SUPPORT THEM, WHETHER THAT'S TAKING CARE OF IT OURSELVES, CONNECTING WITH THEIR SON, CONNECTING WITH A REFERRAL NETWORK THAT CAN HELP THEM CONNECT WITH THE AREA THEY'RE AGING WHERE THAT PERSON, WHERE THAT KID, WHERE THAT FRIEND, WHERE THAT NEIGHBOR THAT MAYBE THEY DON'T HAVE.

WE PROVIDE THAT PERSON THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH.

WE HAVE A WHOLE TEAM OF VOLUNTEERS THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH.

THAT IS MY MOST PROUDEST PART OF THIS PROGRAM IS THAT PEOPLE CAN ASK THE QUESTIONS FOR WHAT THEY NEED, AND THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT NEED IT MOST.

HOW DO WE DO IT? SOCIALIZATION AND FRIENDSHIP.

YOU CAN SEE IT UP THERE, BUT ON THE TOP IS SOCIALIZATION AND FRIENDSHIP. GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

WHEN WE TALK TO SOMEBODY NAMED BETTY, SHE SAID, I USED TO GO TO CHURCH.

IT'S HARD FOR ME TO DRIVE. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET THERE.

WE CONNECT HER WITH THE CHURCH.

WHICH WE FOUND A FRIEND WHO WAS A NEIGHBORHOOD, INTRODUCE THEM AND NOW SHE DRIVES HER TO CHURCH AND NOW THEIR FRIENDS,

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YOU SAW THE VIRTUAL REALITY SITUATION. HE WANTED TO GO TO THAILAND.

I FOUND OUT JAMES WANTED TO GO TO THAILAND.

I COULDN'T FLY HIM THERE. I WOULD'VE IF I HAD THAT IN MY BUDGET.

THAT WAS THE CLOSEST I GOT THOSE.

NEXT IS NUTRITIONISTS.

WE GOT A NUTRITIONISTS IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT YOUR FOOD.

ACCESS TO THAT WE HAVE AN ACTUAL NUTRITIONISTS AS VOLUNTEERS A TIME.

COMMUNITY EVENTS. WE HAVE OUR FIELD TRIPS. WE ARE GOING TO DIFFERENT PLACES.

WE'RE GOING TO START A MONTHLY VISIT TO LITTLE MOIR'S FOOD SHACK, WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR COMMUNITY COME THERE AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE LUNCH TOGETHER AND GET TO KNOW THE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE PROGRAM, HAVE THAT COMMUNITY AND BUILD THAT.

CASE MANAGEMENT. PEOPLE THAT ARE FOLLOWING, WHERE I'M FROM IN NEW YORK EVERY SENIOR CENTER HAD A CASE MANAGER.

HERE, CASE MANAGERS GO THROUGH THE AREA OF THE AGING.

BUT A CASE MANAGER HERE IS MORE LIKE SAYING YOUR BANK REPRESENTATIVE OF BANK OF AMERICA, WHO YOU CALL ON YOUR 800 NUMBER, IS YOUR CASE MANAGER.

THAT'S NOT YOUR CASE MANAGER, THAT'S JUST WHOEVER PICK UP THE CALL AND IS LOOKING AT NOTES.

THIS IS THE SAME PERSON CALLING EVERY TWO WEEKS, WHO KNOWS YOUR MOTHER'S NAME.

WHO KNOWS WHAT YOUR DAUGHTER'S UPSET ABOUT.

WHO KNOWS THAT YOU DIDN'T YOUR BILL AND YOU'RE STILL WORRIED ABOUT THAT.

THAT'S WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE IN THEIR CHECKING.

RESOURCE CENTER, EMERGENCY FINANCIAL SERVICES, WE FILL IN ALL THESE GAPS, OR AT THE VERY LEAST, WE REFER THEM AND THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT THEY CAN ASK FOR THAT NEED.

HERE ARE THE STATS. SOME OF MY FAVORITE, 100% OF OUR CLIENTS RECEIVED MOST OF THEIR TOTAL ANNUAL FRUITS AND VEGETABLES FROM PEARL'S PANTRY.

I LOVE IT, LET IT SIMMER.

IT'S AWESOME, 94% OF CLIENTS RECEIVE MOST OF THEIR TOTAL ANNUAL FOOD FROM US.

IT'S ACCORDING TO THEM, 94% OF MOST OF THEIR FOOD.

EACH CLIENT SAVES $1,560 A YEAR.

THAT IS, FOR OUR 82 CLIENTS, $127,920, THEY WILL SAVE EACH YEAR.

WHEN YOU ADD THE GRANT, THEY CAN POTENTIALLY GET UP TO $500.

THEY'RE GOING TO GET ABOUT $2,000 IN SUPPORT EVERY YEAR, AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE EVERYTHING I JUST SHOWED YOU AND OUR GROUP OF PEOPLE ARE VOLUNTEERS UNPAID TO TAKE CARE OF THEM LIKE THEIR FAMILY.

HERE ARE THE COSTS. JUST GOING TO THROW OUT THE COST QUICKLY AND I'LL BE DONE.

FOR ONE SENIOR TO BE FED FOR TWO WEEKS.

EVERYTHING I MENTIONED, CASE MANAGER, SUPPORT, ALL THE PROTEINS, ALL THE MEAT, POPSICLES, EVERYTHING THAT GOES WITH IT, OUR TIME, OUR ENERGY, $35 EVERY TWO WEEKS.

IT'S VERY AWESOME. TO TAKE CARE OF THE 82 FOLKS PER YEAR, $74,620.

THAT'S AGAIN TO PROVIDE MOST OF THE FRESH FOODS THEY GET AND AGAIN, 94% OF THE SENIORS, SO THEY GET ALMOST MOST OF THEIR ANNUAL FOOD FROM US.

THINK ABOUT PEOPLE ON FOOD STAMPS.

THINK ABOUT PEOPLE LIVING IN SOCIAL SECURITY, 2,000 HOURS IS A BIG DEAL AND IT COMES WITH SUPPORT.

IT COMES TO PEOPLE WHO CARE.

I THINK THAT'S REALLY COOL.

I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME PRESENT.

I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING US THIS FAR.

I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR FUTURE PARTNERSHIP WITH US.

I WOULD LOVE TO CONTINUE THAT IN SOME WAY.

I HOPE THAT YOU'RE INSPIRED JUST LIKE I AM EVERY SINGLE DAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS?

[CITIZEN COMMENTS]

>> YES. MAYOR, ONE. ANDY WESTON?

>> GOOD EVENING. TOWN COUNCIL, MAYOR, COUNSELORS, STAFF.

ANDY WESTON OF 949 DOLPHIN AND I'M HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT MY FAVORITE SUBJECT, DOLPHIN.

CAROL ORR SENT YOU ALL LETTER.

I HOPE YOU SAW IT. THAT WAS AT THE END OF JULY, SO IT'S BEEN A WHILE.

CAROL ORR IS A LONGTIME RESIDENT, 85 NOW, HER HUSBAND WAS TOM ORR HE SAT ON HIS COUNSEL IN THE 70S.

FOUNDER OF ORR WOODWORKS AND HER SON PASSED AND THE WIFE IS NOW RUNNING ORR WOODWORKS AND SHE'S MY NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR.

CAROL LIVES DOWN THE STREET FROM ME ABOUT THREE DOORS.

HER OTHER SON, JEFF.

J. COUNT BIKES, WHICH IS ON CENTER STREET RIGHT BEFORE THE RAILROAD TRACKS.

THIS IS PART OF THE HISTORY OF JUPITER.

CAROL ORR SENT YOU A NICE LETTER AND SHE ASKED YOU, PLEASE FIX THE ROAD.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT, MIGHT GO BACK,

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REALLY IS. SHE'S A SWEETHEART.

I SEE THE ENGINEER IS HERE. WILL YOU STAY? YES. I TALKED TO DAVID WEBB.

DAVID WEBB'S THE GUY THAT'S DRILLING YOUR WELLS AND HE SAID HE DOESN'T WANT THE DRAINAGE GRADES.

HE SAID THE IMPERMEABLE SURFACE THAT'S IN HIS YARD IS HIS GRASS AND THE MARK THAT'S UNDERNEATH IT.

UNDERNEATH THAT MARK IS SUGAR SAND.

I KNOW BECAUSE I'VE DUG THE DITCH IN MY YARD.

YOU GET BELOW ABOUT THAT FAR, IT'S NOT ROCK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IT'S SUGAR SAND.

HE SAID YOU SHOULD PUT IN FRENCH DRAINS AND THAT'S WHERE YOU PUT IN A ROCK BED AND YOU HAVE A DRAIN COME DOWN UNDER THOSE ROCKS, AND THEN IT JUST DISSIPATES INTO THE SUGAR SAND.

THAT REPLENISHES THE WELL THAT HE'S USING TO WATER HIS GRASS, AND HE DOES NOT WANT THAT MR. ENGINEER. HE DOES NOT WANT THAT DRAIN.

I THINK HE KNOWS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THAT WATER IS DOING.

HE WANTS IT TO GO DOWN.

HE DOESN'T WANT IT GOING INTO THE DRAIN BECAUSE THAT'S GOING INTO THE CANAL AND IT'S SILTING THIS CANAL.

JUST MAKING A CASE THERE ON ANOTHER PIECE OF INFORMATION.

THERE'S A GUY I THINK IT'S DAVID WEBB, KNOWS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHERE THE WATER GOES.

PLEASE KEEP THAT OPEN AND DON'T PUT THE WATER LINES IN UNTIL WE GET THIS RESOLVED, FRANK.

I MEAN, I THINK WE STILL NEED TO KEEP GOING.

I APPRECIATE IT. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THAT WAS IT.

>> MOVING ON TO THE MINUTES.

[3. August 3, 2023 Town Council Special Meeting Minutes.]

IF THERE'S NO FURTHER CORRECTIONS I'LL HEAD TO TAKE A MOTION [OVERLAPPING].

>> MOTION TO APPROVE AS AMENDED.

>> SECOND.

>> MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>> AYE.

>> MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

>> MOVING ON TO CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS.

[CONSENT AGENDA]

IS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WANT TO PULL A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM?

>> NO, MAYOR.

>> GENERAL MANAGER?

>> NO, MAYOR. ITEM NUMBER 4.

>> PULL NUMBER 4, I WANTED TO PULL NUMBER 8.

>> NO.

>> NO. WE HAVE THE BANDED CONSENT AGENDA INCLUDES ITEMS 4 THROUGH 12 OR 5 THROUGH 7, AND THEN 9 THROUGH 12.

CAN I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE AMENDED CONSENT AGENDA?

>> MOTION TO APPROVE AS AMENDED.

>> SECOND.

>> ONE OF THESE IS AN ORDINANCE 1423 I HAD ASKED THE TOWN ATTORNEY TO READ IT ON SHORT TITLE.

>> ORDINANCE 1423 AND ORDINANCE OF THE TOWN COUNCIL AGENDA JUPITER, FLORIDA AMENDING CHAPTER 27 OF THE TOWN'S CODE OF ORDINANCES.

PERTAINING THE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT DENSITY REQUIREMENTS.

PROVIDING FOR AMENDMENT TO ADD SECTION 271081 AND TITLED DENSITY TO ESTABLISH OUR GROSS MAXIMUM DENSITY.

PROVIDING FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SECTION 271110 SUB-DISTRICTS TO DELETE THE RESIDENTIAL ESTATE SUB-DISTRICT INTO REFERENCE DENSITY.

PROVIDING FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SECTION 271159, AND TITLED MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT MASTER SITE PLAN TO ESTABLISH A MASTER SITE PLANNED GROSS MAXIMUM DENSITY, PROVIDED FOR SEPARABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF LAWS AND CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR CLARIFICATION AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>> AYE.

>> THE MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

MOVING ON TO CONSENT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4 PULLED BY COUNCILOR.

[4. Ordinance 5-23, First Reading, Jupiter Medical Center Zoning District Front Setback Reduction - Zoning text amendment to the Medical Center (MC) Zoning District, Section 27-964, entitled “Area and dimension regulations”, to reduce the front setback through a waiver process. (Second Reading 9/19/23)]

>> I'LL BE ABSTAINING FROM ORDINANCE 523, MY WIFE IS AN EMPLOYEE AT JUPITER MEDICAL CENTER.

>> WELL, IF THERE'S NO ITEMS. I'LL TAKE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON WOODMAN'S 523.

>> MOTION APPROVED.

>> SECOND.

>> MOTION AND A SECOND.

THIS IS AN ORDINANCE.

I'D ASKED THE TOWN ATTORNEY TO READ IT ON SHORT TITLE.

>> ITEM 523, ORDINANCE OF THE TOWN COUNCIL TOWN OF JUPITER, FLORIDA MINI CHAPTER 27, ATTENDANCE CODE OF ORDINANCES PERTAINING TO THE MEDICAL CENTER DISTRICTS SETBACKS.

PROVIDING FOR UNLIMITED DIVISION 15 AND VERTICAL 6, AUTHORIZING A WAIVER TO THE FRONT SETBACK FOR BUILDINGS OR STRUCTURES

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PROVIDING FOR SEPARABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR THE P&L OF LAWS AND CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND OF ORDINANCE 523, ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>> AYE.

>> MOTION CARRIES 3, 0 WITH COUNCILOR DELANEY ABSTAINING.

MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 8.

[8. Resolution 78-23, Approving the contract award with Risk Management and Associates – Brown and Brown Public Sector for Property and Casualty Insurance for the Town with an estimated annual cost of $2,171,402.]

I'D ASK THAT WE MOVE TO CONTINUE RESOLUTION 7823 TO THE 9, 5 MEETING.

>> MOTION TO CONTINUE.

>> SECOND.

>> MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>> AYE.

>> MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

MOVING ON TO THE REGULAR AGENDA, WHICH WE REORDERED WAS ITEM NUMBER 18, THE PRESENTATION BY STAFF ON FIRING EMS, SUSTAINABILITY AND FEASIBILITY STUDY [BACKGROUND].

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, JOE PONZO WITH CENTER FOR PUBLIC SAFETY MANAGEMENT.

[BACKGROUND].

>> WHICHEVER ONE YOU GOT LOADED HERE. IT'S NOT ON HERE.

[BACKGROUND] I DO NOT.

[BACKGROUND]

>> WE APOLOGIZE, MAYOR.

[BACKGROUND] [NOISE]

[18. Fire and EMS Sustainability and Feasibility Study update by Chief Joe Pozzo, International City Manager’s Association (ICMA).]

>> GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

JOE PONZO WAS CENTER FOR PUBLIC SAFETY MANAGEMENT.

[NOISE] THEIR FIRM RECEIVED A PHONE CALL A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO ASKING COULD WE COME BACK AND PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON OUR REPORT.

WE'VE PUT TOGETHER A COUPLE OF SLIDES FOR YOU THIS EVENING, AND I'LL TAKE YOU THROUGH THAT.

I'M I USING THIS, SIR? WE STARTED ABOUT A YEAR AGO AND YOU ASKED US TO COME IN.

THE COUNTY HAD PRESENTED A PROPOSED CONTRACT THAT WOULD TAKE YOU TO THE FIRE RESCUE MILLAGE FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY.

THE TOWN WANTED SAME AT-COST OR COST METHODOLOGY THAT YOU HAD BEEN USING FOR THE CURRENT CONTRACT THAT YOU'RE UNDER.

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OUR TIMELINE AGAIN, WE STARTED BACK IN JULY AND WE WENT THROUGH SEVERAL COUNCIL BRIEFINGS [NOISE] AND PUBLIC BRIEFINGS, AND IT ALL CULMINATED ON JANUARY 17TH FOR THE FINAL PRESENTATION, AT WHICH TIME THE COUNCIL'S WISH WAS GO BACK AND CONTINUE TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE COUNTY, WHICH STAFF DID.

BOB, ON APRIL 18TH, YOU APPROVED AND THEN A LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE.

THEIR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS APPROVE THAT SAME AGREEMENT ON JULY 11TH AND SO I'M HERE TONIGHT TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE.

THE UPDATE REALLY, WHAT WE CAN UPDATE NOW IS WE HAVE SOME ACTUAL COST.

AS YOU RECALL BACK WHEN WE WERE DOING THE ANALYSIS WHILE WE WERE OPERATING ON WAS WHAT THE CURRENT CONTRACT WAS AND WHAT PROJECTIONS COULD BE.

WE ALSO WERE OPERATING ON WHAT YOUR FEE WOULD BE FOR FIRE AND EMS SERVICE ON A COUNTY MILLAGE RATE.

THERE WERE A LOT OF NUMBERS.

I BELIEVE AT THE TIME HE DID THE RIGHT THING, GO BACK AND NEGOTIATE AND SEE WHAT TYPE OF CONTRACT YOU CAN COME UP WITH.

[NOISE] YOU'RE BACK AT A VERY SIMILAR CONTRACT THAT HAS COST AND IT'S REALLY PREDOMINANTLY THE COST OF WHAT THE BATTALION ONE BUDGET IS.

THAT'S THE BATTALION THIS JUPITER FIRE STATIONS ARE IN MINUS STATIONS 17 AND 68.

NONE OF THAT HAS CHANGED IN THE CURRENT.

THE COST OF THE FEE HAS GONE FROM 25,847,504 AS YOU SEE THERE TO 28,764,312 OR ABOUT AN 11% INCREASE.

NOW SOME OF THAT WILL COME OFF THE FINAL NUMBER THERE BECAUSE WHAT IS YET TO BE DETERMINED IS REVENUE FROM EMS TRANSPORT AND AS YOU KNOW, YOU GET THAT AS A CREDIT.

IF IT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT IT IS NOW IT'S GOING TO BE RIGHT AROUND THE 2.7 MILLION DOLLAR INCREASE.

THAT IS A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN WHAT YOU SEE THERE.

OR A COUPLE OF DIFFERENCES THOUGH IN THE NEW CONTRACT.

THERE ARE NO MAXIMUMS ON EQUIPMENT AND PERSONNEL.

BUT I DID GO BACK AND DO SOME RESEARCH ON THE NIGHT THAT YOU APPROVED THE AGREEMENT AND YOU DID SAY THAT YOU WOULD PUT SOME GUARDRAILS ON THAT, MEANING THAT YOU WANTED TO SEE WHAT WOULD BE PROPOSED AND HAVE MORE DISCUSSION ON THAT.

THERE'S AN ADDED COST ON MOVE-UPS WITH NO MAXIMUM.

MOVE-UPS ARE VERY COMMON IN THE FIRE INDUSTRY.

COMPANIES, FIRE COMPANIES, EMS COMPANIES HAVE TO GO TO TRAINING.

THEY DO GET TIED UP ON INCIDENTS FOR QUITE A LONG TIME AND SO THAT'S A NORMAL THING THAT HAPPENS IN AND OUT OF ANY COMMUNITY.

FIRE STATIONS ARE EMPTY AND YOU STILL HAVE PUBLIC PROTECTION THAT NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED SO COMPANIES MOVE UP.

COMPANIES FROM THE HOME JURISDICTION ALSO MOVE OUT.

THEY GO TO ASSIST OTHER JURISDICTIONS WHEN THEY'RE IN NEED.

BUT TYPICALLY THAT IS REALLY THROUGH MUTUAL AID AGREEMENTS AND THAT'S HOW THAT'S HANDLED BECAUSE IT'S RECIPROCAL.

ADDED COST OF NON-BUDGETED SITUATIONS UP TO $400,000 ANNUALLY.

THOSE ARE SITUATIONS WE WENT THROUGH IN THE PANDEMIC.

THERE WAS A LOT OF OVERTIME, THERE WAS A LOT OF ADDITIONAL COSTS WITH PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT FOR STAFF SO THEY'RE UNKNOWN.

THEY ARE JUST UNKNOWN COST.

THEY HAVE PUT THAT INTO INTO YOUR CONTRACT SO THAT YOU CAN SHARE IN THAT RESPONSIBILITY WHATEVER THAT MAY BE.

COULD BE A TROPICAL SYSTEM COME THROUGH SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T GET FEMA REIMBURSEMENT, ETC, WHERE THEY HAVE TO UP STAFF.

THOSE ARE JUST THOSE UNKNOWN COSTS THAT OCCUR.

IF YOU HAD YOUR OWN FIRE DEPARTMENT, YOU WOULD BE DEALING WITH THE SAME UNKNOWN COST.

THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL COSTS IN HERE FOR STATION RENOVATIONS, REALLY, THAT'S UNDER THE CAPITAL PLAN.

THAT'S A NORMAL THING AS WELL.

FIRE STATIONS VERY HEAVILY USED, THEY'RE OCCUPIED 24 HOURS A DAY AND THEY GO THROUGH LIFE CYCLE ITERATION.

YOU'RE GOING TO NEED SOME BUDGETING FOR THOSE LIFECYCLE MECHANICAL REPLACEMENTS,

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THERE'S ALSO AN ADDED COST OF NEW STATIONS IN THE COST FACTOR THERE IS JUST BASED ON PERCENTAGE OF COST.

THAT STATION MAY RUN INSIDE OF JUPITER IN THE FIRST YEAR OF SERVICE.

ALSO WENT BACK THROUGH IT AND THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL SERVICES PROVIDED.

IS THREE AMBULANCES AND THREE ENGINES AS THE CURRENT CONTRACT IS SO NO ADDITIONAL SERVICES.

[NOISE] AS A COMPARISON, NOW THAT WE HAVE SOME NUMBERS ON, I'VE GOT ANOTHER CHART HERE THAT ADDS SOME ADDITIONAL COMPARISONS JUST TO GO BACK THROUGH JUPITER FIRE RESCUE COST ONE YEAR OF OPERATIONS AND THIS WERE TO BEGIN IN FY 26 THAT NUMBER IS 24 MILLION 538,259.

WHAT WE DID WITH THAT, AND I WORKED WITH THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER ON THIS, IS WE TOOK OUR COST THAT WE PROPOSED AND OUR TECHNICAL ANALYSIS IN JANUARY.

WE HAD OPERATIONAL COST OF ABOUT $18 MILLION, ALMOST $19 MILLION.

BUT WHAT WE DIDN'T HAVE WERE DEBT SERVICE COSTS.

WE DIDN'T HAVE THOSE COSTS BUILT-IN BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY MAY BE AT THE TIME, BUT THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER HAS BUILT THOSE IN.

IF YOU WERE STARTING YOUR OWN FIRE DEPARTMENT THIS YEAR AND YOU WANTED TO RUN A 10-YEAR COMPARISON, THAT'D BE ABOUT $21.2 MILLION WHICH YOU'D BE STARTING AT BECAUSE YOU HAVE OPERATIONAL COSTS AND THEN YOU HAVE DEBT SERVICE.

IF YOU HAVE TO BUILD FACILITIES, YOU'VE GOT TO BUY THE HEAVY APPARATUS, YOU HAVE DEBT SERVICE IN THAT TO MAKE THOSE REPLACEMENTS THROUGH NORMAL REPLACEMENT CYCLES, ETC.

THAT'S WHERE WE STARTED.

AGAIN, THERE'S NO CHANGES THERE THOUGH.

IT'S THE SAME SERVICE.

WE DID HAVE ONE ENHANCED SERVICE.

WE DID ADD A LADDER COMPANY, STAFFED LADDER COMPANY IN OUR PROJECTIONS FOR COSTS.

IT'D BE THREE ENGINES, A LADDER, AND THREE AMBULANCES.

IF YOU WANTED TO DO A COMPARISON OF WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE OF COURSE THE FIRST THREE YEARS THERE ARE NO COSTS BECAUSE AS WE TOLD YOU, YOU CAN START A FIRE DEPARTMENT OVERNIGHT AND A LOT OF THAT IS AND JUST GETTING THE EQUIPMENT IN HERE TO DO IT.

JUST OTHER STUDIES I HAVE DONE AROUND THE COUNTRY, THERE'S FLEET QUESTIONS AND EVERY ANALYSIS THAT I DO.

HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO GET FLEET? WE'VE BEEN TOLD FOUR YEARS, FIVE YEARS, THREE YEARS AND SO I'VE DONE A LOT OF ANALYSIS ON THAT WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS THAT I HAVE STUDIED ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

THAT STILL IS RUNNING ANYWHERE BETWEEN 34 AND 40 MONTHS.

THERE'S BEEN SOME CHANGE TO THAT, BUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THAT INDUSTRY IS EVERYBODY KNOWS NOW THAT THERE IS LAG TIME ORDERING APPARATUS.

WHAT USED TO BE 18 MONTHS OR 20 MONTHS NOW IS 34 MONTHS OR 36 MONTHS.

FIRE DEPARTMENTS ARE PLANNING AHEAD APPARATUS THEY MAY BE REPLACING IN 2026.

THEY'RE REPLACING IN 2023 BECAUSE THEY KNOW IT'S GOING TO TAKE THREE YEARS TO BUILD THEM AND GET THEM IN.

THAT ADDS TO THE ORDERS AT ALL THE MANUFACTURERS.

HOWEVER, THERE IS SOME LIGHT AT THE END OF THAT TUNNEL INSTEAD OF 36 MONTHS NOW STARTING TO CREEP BACK TO 35 AND 34 MONTHS BECAUSE APPARATUS MANUFACTURERS ARE CATCHING UP FROM WHEN THEY HAD TO CLOSE DOWN DURING THE PANDEMIC.

THAT'S LOOKING BETTER AS WELL, BUT YOU CAN SEE NOW THAT WE HAVE THE REAL NUMBERS AND THE TABLE ON THE LEFT IS PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE NUMBERS WITH 5% INCREASES.

THAT'S NOTHING THAT WE ADDED TO OR THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER ADDED TO.

WE'RE JUST USING THEIR NUMBERS.

YOU SEE IT GOES FROM $25.8 MILLION TO ABOUT $44.6 MILLION AT THE END OF YOUR 10 YEAR CONTRACT, BUT YOU KNOW THAT.

BUT AS A COMPARISON WITH WHAT THE NUMBERS NOW THAT WE'VE ADDED IN THE DEBT SERVICE.

I THINK IT'S WORTHY OF JUST UPDATING THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU.

WHEN WE ADD OUR DEBT SERVICE NUMBERS, WE STARTED A BASELINE OF $21.2 MILLION NOW, AND WE'LL USE THE SAME 5% ANNUAL COST INCREASE THAT PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE DID.

STARTING IN THE FY 26, AGAIN, 24.5 MILLION.

AT THE END OF FY 33 OR THE END OF A 10 YEAR PERIOD,

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IF YOU GO THROUGH AND IF YOU START AT FY 26, THE 31.7 MILLION AND THE 24.5 MILLION AND YOU DO THE MATH THERE, THE DECREASE BETWEEN THE TWO NUMBERS IF IT WAS A TOWN FIRE DEPARTMENT AND YOU ADD THOSE UP, IT'S ABOUT $68 MILLION OVER THAT SEVEN YEAR PERIOD.

WHEN YOU CHART IT OUT, THE ORANGE IS THE ORANGE, THE BLUE THAT TURNS TO ORANGE LINE BECAUSE YOU'RE STARTING A NEW 10 YEAR CONTRACT OF USING THE NUMBERS IN THE LAST TABLE YOU SEE BEGINNING IN FY 24 TO FY 2033 WHERE YOU GO TO THAT ABOUT 44 MILLION DOLLAR RANGE AND THEN WHERE THE JUPITER FIRE IS IN RED, THEN YOU SEE THE GAP IN-BETWEEN THE $68 MILLION.

THAT'S THE UPDATE.

THAT REALLY IS ALL I HAVE BECAUSE REALLY THOSE ARE THE ONLY CHANGES.

WE JUST HAVE SOME REAL NUMBERS THAT WE COULD PUT TOWARDS IT MAYOR.

I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

OTHER THAN THAT, I'LL STEP ASIDE.

>> ANY QUESTIONS?

>> I HAVE A BUNCH BUT YOU WANTED THE UPDATE, SO I'LL LET YOU GO FIRST.

>> GO AHEAD.

>> BACK IN JANUARY WHEN WE GOT THE ORIGINAL TABLE FOR THE TOTAL RECURRING COSTS, WE WERE GIVEN THE NUMBER OF $18.1 MILLION.

WHY WAS THERE AN INCREASE IN OVER $3 MILLION?

>> DEBT SERVICE.

>> THE DEBT SERVICE IS A $3 MILLION INCREASE?

>> BUT THAT'S REALLY A CFO QUESTION, BUT I'LL LET HIM EXPLAIN WHAT THAT DEBT SERVICE IS.

>> WE WERE PREPARING FOR THIS PRESENTATION COUNCILMAN.

WE FELT IT WAS PRUDENT THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE PICTURE, YOU NEED TO SEE THE WHOLE PICTURE WHICH THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME ASSUMPTION OF DEBT SERVICE THAT'S GOING TO GO INTO IT.

WE MADE SOME ASSUMPTIONS TO ADD THAT AMOUNT IN THERE TO KIND OF MAKE AN APPLES TO APPLES WHEN YOU'RE DOING A COMPARISON.

>> MY NEXT QUESTION IS WITH THE FIRE RESCUE CONTRACT, THE MOVE UP COSTS ARE INCLUDED IN THE NUMBERS.

THEY'RE NOT AN ADDED COST?

>> THE MOVE UP NUMBERS, THOSE ARE ADDED WHEN THOSE MOVE UP OCCURS.

>> THAT'S AN ADDED COST THAT'S NOT BUILT INTO OUR CURRENT CONTRACT.

>> NO. THEY HAVE TO ADD IT IN WHENEVER THOSE COSTS OCCUR.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE YET.

>> THEY HAVEN'T UPDATED YOU ON THAT THIS YEAR YET?

>> RIGHT.

>> THEN AS FAR AS REVENUE FROM EMS TRANSPORT, THEY'VE BEEN UPDATED YOU ON THAT EITHER?

>> NO, NOT YET.

>> I DO DISAGREE WITH THE FIRST THREE YEARS OF BEING ZERO.

FROM FISCAL YEAR 23 TO FISCAL YEAR 26, THERE'S GOING TO BE COST THERE.

>> I AGREE WITH YOU AND SOME OF THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE MADE BASED ON NO COST TO THE RESIDENTS.

YOU DON'T WANT TO BE CHARGING DOUBLE AT THE SAME TIME.

SOME OF THOSE DEBT SERVICE COSTS INCLUDE THOSE UPFRONT COSTS THAT WILL BE PAID FOR LATER ONCE THEY GO INTO WHEN THERE'S THAT CUTOFF BETWEEN PALM BEACH COUNTY AND MOVING TO THE JUPITER FIRE RESCUE.

>> THEY WOULDN'T BE INCLUDED IN FISCAL YEAR 23, 24, 25 BUDGET?

>> NO.

>> AS FAR AS HIRING PERSONNEL ANYTHING LIKE THAT, IT WOULDN'T BE.

>> UNTIL LATER. THAT'S RIGHT.

BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE'D HAVE TO CHARGE THE RESIDENTS TWICE DURING THAT TIME PERIOD.

>> THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I GOT RIGHT NOW.

>> QUESTIONS?

>> ONE QUESTION FOR MR. REYNOLDS.

DEBT SERVICE COSTS, SINCE YOU FIRST LOOKED AT THE CONSULTANT'S PROPOSAL, HAVE THEY BEEN GOING UP OR DOWN OR STEADY? BECAUSE HERE INTEREST RATES IS SORT OF [OVERLAPPING].

>> YOU MEAN WHAT THE ACTUAL INTEREST RATES ARE? THE INTEREST RATES HAVE BEEN GOING UP.

THEY DEFINITELY HAVE. THESE ARE ESTIMATES.

WE DEFINITELY COULD SEE UP OR DOWN DEPENDING ON WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE FEDS.

DEPENDING ON WHAT TYPE OF LOAN THAT WE GET AS WELL.

THERE IS A MUCH BIGGER DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A BOND ISSUE AND SAY A BANK LOAN, SO THOSE INTEREST RATES COULD VARY.

>> WE WOULD LOCK IN FOR ONE INTEREST RATE.

>> IT'S STILL CORRECT.

>> THAT'S ALL.

>> WE HAVE TAKEN FOR THE UPDATED INFORMATION, [INAUDIBLE] WAY.

>> [BACKGROUND].

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>> SOME THE INFORMATION IS HELPFUL WE CERTAINLY HAVE HAD ENJOYED THE SERVICES OF PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE.

I NEVER HAD ANY QUALITY ISSUES.

CERTAINLY A CONCERN WITH BASICALLY THEIR REQUEST FOR A DIFFERENT CONTRACT GOING FORWARD THAT EXPOSES US TO A LOT OF EXTRA COSTS THAT MAY NOT EVEN BE ACCOUNTED FOR IN THIS THING HERE.

I THINK IT'S PRETTY COMPELLING SO TO THE DEGREE THAT PART OF THE NEW LOCAL WE HAVE TO MAKE NOTICE BEFORE SEPTEMBER 30TH ANY YEAR IF WE DECIDE THAT WE WANT TO START OUR OWN FIRE DEPARTMENT.

>> AS FAR AS THE NOTIFICATION THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED I DEFER TO THE TOWN ATTORNEY FOR THAT.

>> YES. SAYING THAT TO ME IT'S PRETTY COMPELLING CASE IS I'M READY TO MAKE TO PROCEED DOWN THAT PATH.

OF COURSE, WE DIDN'T HAVE TO GIVE NOTICE UNTIL SEPTEMBER 30TH PUT TO ASK THE TOWN MANAGER TO BEGIN EFFORTS TO START AT TOWN OF JUPITER FIRE DEPARTMENT NO DIFFERENT THAN OTHER AREAS MUNICIPALITIES HAVE.

>> I THINK THAT'S HIGHLY INAPPROPRIATE BEING THAT WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A FIFTH COUNCIL MEMBER HERE TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

WHEN YOU GUYS ASK FOR THIS TO COME BACK WAS BECAUSE THE MSU AGREEMENT WAS PULLED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T FEEL RIGHT VOTING ON SOMETHING OF THAT MAGNITUDE WITHOUT ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE.

WITHOUT A FIFTH ONE HERE, THAT'S VERY INAPPROPRIATE FOR YOU TO PURSUE SOMETHING OF THAT MAGNITUDE.

ESPECIALLY SINCE WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THE UPDATED NUMBERS FROM PALM BEACH COUNTY TO MAKE THIS SHORT, THE FISCAL YEAR 24 CHART ACTUALLY ACCURATE.

>> WE DISAGREE.

>> WE CAN DISAGREE ALL YOU WANT BUT THE FACTS ARE WE DON'T EVEN KNOW THE EMS TRANSPORTS.

THAT COULD BE HIGHER THAN THE NUMBER FROM 23 WHICH IS 1.34 PER 394 MILLION SO THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS THERE AND THEN LIKE I SAID I WANT TO GO BACK AND LOOK BECAUSE I'M PRETTY SURE MOVE UP COSTS ARE IN THE MILLAGE RATE THAT IS BEING ISSUED FOR FISCAL YEAR 24.

>> SCOTT, CAN I ASK YOU TO COME UP AND PULL UP THE LAST SLIDE FOR JUST A MINUTE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> YEAH.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THAT'S THE SLIDE?

>> YEAH AND IF YOU COULD JUST STAY HERE A MINUTE.

>> OKAY.

>> THE REASON I THINK THAT WE'RE MAKING THIS DECISION TONIGHT IS BECAUSE OF THIS SLIDE AND BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENCE OF $68 MILLION.

IF THE RED LINE GOES UP OR THE ORANGE LINE GOES DOWN WHICH I WOULDN'T EXPECT IT TO, THERE IS NO CEILING ON THE $44 MILLION.

IT'S STILL A CONSIDERABLE SAVINGS THAT I DON'T THINK WE CAN IGNORE.

CAN YOU PLEASE GO TO THE SLIDE IMMEDIATELY PRECEDING THAT? LOOKING AT THESE COSTS HERE EVERY YEAR AND AGAIN THE 44 MILLION CAN GO UP BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST THE FIVE PERCENT INCREASE IT'S ALSO POLICY DECISIONS BECAUSE WE HAVE LOST LOCAL CONTROL.

WE HAVE NO ABILITY TO MAKE THOSE POLICY DECISIONS THAT CAN ALSO HAVE BUDGET IMPACTS.

THERE ARE NO MINIMUMS ON A NUMBER OF THINGS AND SO THE 44 COULD GO HIGHER.

THE DIFFERENCE THERE, YEAR-BY-YEAR YOU SEE THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS DIFFERENCE, I THINK THAT'S A COMPELLING REASON TO MOVE FORWARD.

I SAID WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS, IT IS IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THE BUSINESS MODELS OF THIS.

I THINK WE HAD A HARD TIME NEGOTIATING THE ILA IN PART BECAUSE WE HAD TWO DIFFERENT BUSINESS MODELS IN MIND AND WHEN WE FINALLY STARTED TO WORK TOWARDS THE BUSINESS MODEL THAT COUNTY WAS OPERATING IN WE COULD WORK ON THE MARGINS BUT WE REALLY COULDN'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON A NUMBER OF THINGS AND SO WHAT WE GOT WAS THE BEST POSSIBLE PASSABLE ILA.

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OUR INABILITY TO GET THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED REGULARLY, THE INABILITY TO WORK TOGETHER WITH THE TOWN TO GET OUT OF SILOS, TO HAVE THAT TRANSPARENCY WITH OUR BUDGET NUMBERS WITH POLICY, TO HAVE SOME OF THAT DECISION-MAKING BROUGHT CLOSER TO THE RESIDENTS IS I THINK ALL BEEN DISCUSSED BEFORE.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS FOR OVER A YEAR NOW.

I THINK ALL OF THAT MAKES A VERY COMPELLING CASE AND I WOULD AGREE THAT WE NEED TO MOVE TOWARDS STARTING OUR OWN FIRE DEPARTMENT.

>> I AGREE WITH COUNCIL SUNDSTROM AND JUST BY LOOKING AT THE CHART AND THIS HAS BEEN A LONG HAUL AND A SAVINGS OF APPROXIMATELY 68 MILLION FROM FY26-FY33.

EVEN IF THE MARGINS COME IN OR OUT ON THE GRAPH, THERE'S STILL TREMENDOUS COST SAVINGS I JUST LOOK AT THIS PERSONALLY AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL AND I'M A STEWARD OF THE RESONANCE OF JUPITER PROPER TAXPAYER DOLLARS, I CONSIDER I'D BE DERELICTION OF DUTY NOT MOVING FORWARD WITH OUR OWN INDEPENDENT TOWN OF JUPITER FIRE DEPARTMENT AND I SAY THAT WITH A HEAVY HEART BECAUSE I'VE HAD A GREAT RELATIONSHIP OVER THE YEARS WITH THE FOLKS AT PALM BEACH FIRE RESCUE, COUNSELOR MAY INCLUDED, BUT THIS COMES DOWN TO IT THIS IS A BUSINESS DECISION AND THE NEGOTIATIONS WENT ON.

I TRIED TO GET THEM TO COME OUR WAY MORE.

THIS IS THE MODEL THEY CAME UP WITH AND WE HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO SIGN THE CONTRACT BECAUSE YOU CAN START TO WORK WITH DEPARTMENT OVERNIGHT.

IT TAKES A FEW YEARS SO THIS IS A VERY HEAVY LIFTS.

IT'S A MAJOR DECISION BUT I THINK RIGHT NOW THIS IS THE ONLY POSSIBLE OPTION FOR THE TOWN TO GO DOWN THIS PATH.

TOWN MANAGER WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR NOTIFYING THE PALM BEACH COUNTY?

>> I WOULD DEFER TO THE TOWN ATTORNEY ON THAT.

>> THE PROCESSES SET OUT IN THE INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT, THE TENANT PROVIDES A NOTICE WHICH WOULD BE IN THE FORM OF A LETTER TO THE COUNTY ADVISING THEM OVER YOUR DECISION TO TERMINATE THE CONTRACT.

THERE'S A 36 MONTHS ADVANCE WRITTEN NOTICE THAT HAS TO BE PROVIDED.

>> CAN WE TERMINATE A CONTRACT THAT HASN'T EVEN STARTED YET?

>> YOU CAN TERMINATE THE CONTRACT THAT WAS EXECUTED BETWEEN THE PARTIES.

>> BECAUSE THE AGREEMENT HASN'T STARTED UNTIL OCTOBER 1ST.

>> BUT THE AGREEMENT IS IN EFFECT AND LEGAL.

>> I THINK TONIGHT ACTUALLY WE'VE GIVEN DIRECTION TO THE TOWN MANAGER TO BEGIN TO PROCEED DOWN TO PATH.

>> I STILL THINK IT'S NOT FAIR THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER HERE TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

>> WELL.

>> BUT COUNCIL MANN [OVERLAPPING]

>> WELL, I'M JUST SAYING THAT WAS THE ARGUMENT WILL BE MSBU OFF TO THE CONSENT AGENDA WAS BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE THAT DECISION WITHOUT A FULL COUNCIL BEING HERE SEATED AND HERE WE ARE MAKING SOMETHING EVEN LARGER OF A DECISION WITHOUT A FIFTH COUNCIL MEMBER HERE.

>> WE HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE WITH THE COUNCIL THAT WE HAVE [OVERLAPPING].

>> WE CAN'T BE WITH A FIFTH COUNSEL.

>> I FOUND OUT RECENTLY THAT COUNSEL SCHNEIDER WAS RESIGNING I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THING THAT PULLED IT.

I DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER HER [OVERLAPPING].

>> NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT TONIGHT IT'S A PRESENTATION THERE WAS NO INDICATION THAT WE ARE TAKING ANY ACTION ON A PRESENTATION.

I DON'T KNOW OF ANY CASE IN THE HISTORY THAT WE'VE BEEN HERE THAT WE'VE TAKEN ACTIONS ON PRESENTATIONS.

>> WELL WE'RE GIVEN DIRECTION TO THE TOWN MANAGER THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT.

HE'S HEARING THREE OR FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS.

WE UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE VESTED IN STAYING WITH THE COUNTY BUT YOUR HEARING [OVERLAPPING] WHAT'S THAT?

>> THAT'S ALSO INAPPROPRIATE FOR YOU TO SAY.

>> WE'RE GIVEN THE TOWN MANAGER DIRECTION TO PROCEED WITH THE EFFORTS NEEDED TO BEGIN DOWN THE PATH OF BEGINNING OUR TOWN FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT.

>> I DO RECOGNIZE THE DEADLINE AND THE TIMELINE THAT WE MUST FOLLOW [OVERLAPPING] CORRECT, BECAUSE OF THE DEADLINE.

>> WE'RE MISSING HERE.

>> MAYOR, IF I COULD JUST ASK THE TOWN ATTORNEY THAT THE LETTER THAT HE'S REFERRING TO, DOES THAT COME FROM THE TOWN MANAGER OR DOES IT COME FROM THE MAYOR OR I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WOULD WORK. MR. ANTHONY?

>> GENERALLY, TOWN MANAGER.

>> THANK YOU.

>> CAN YOU HAVE A DIRECTION YOU NEED TO GET GOING?

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>> I BELIEVE SO MAYOR.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13, FISHERMAN'S WHARF.

[13. Resolution 42-23, Fisherman’s Wharf – Quasi-Judicial – Special Exception and Site Plan applications for a three-story office building with underbuilding parking, a two-story restaurant with outdoor dining, a tiki bar, and a private dock, on a 4.6± acre property, located approximately ¼ mile west of US Highway One, along the north side of Indiantown Road.]

I'D ASK REPRESENTATIVES WITH THE APPLICANT TO GIVE TESTIMONY AND THOSE OF STAFF TO STAND UP AND BE SWORN IN.

>> I WAS REMISSION ASKING DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY EX PARTE DISCLOSURES?

>> I DO, I HAD A COUPLE OF PHONE CALLS WITH THE APPLICANT MARK AND WILLPOWER AND I SPOKE BRIEFLY WITH GEORGE CHINCHILLA'S OFFICE WHEN I WAS MEETING FOR A DIFFERENT SITUATION WE JUST SPOKE BRIEFLY ABOUT THE APPLICATION.

>> I HAD SOME COMMUNICATIONS WITH STAFF INQUIRING ABOUT NOISE LEVELS AND PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

>> I SPOKE WITH TROY HOLLOWAY BRIEFLY TODAY ABOUT NOISE LEVELS, ABOUT SHARED PARKING, AND ABOUT THE ROUNDABOUT AND TRAFFIC CALMING AND I SPOKE WITH STAFF ABOUT SIMILAR ITEMS.

>> I'M DONE.

>> OKAY, I GUESS WE BEGAN WITH AN APPLICANT PRESENTATION.

>> GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. FIRST I LIKE TO APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE.

I HAVE TO SPEED THROUGH THIS, BECAUSE I DID NOT GET THROUGH THE WHOLE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION AT THE PAC, SO I'LL BE SPEEDY. I APOLOGIZE.

FOR THE RECORD, TROY HOLLOWAY OF 2GHO, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO PRESENT TO YOU FISHERMAN'S WHARF.

WITH ME TONIGHT I'VE GOT THE LANDOWNER AND MARK ERHMAFARB IS HERE, OUR AGENT AS WELL.

AND WE ALSO HAVE ANDREW TROUTMAN HERE, IS IF ANY TRAFFIC ISSUES MIGHT COME UP.

WE'RE HERE TONIGHT SEEKING A SPECIAL EXCEPTION AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR A 2-STORY, 10,630 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT, WITH 4,400 SQUARE FEET OF OUTDOOR DINING, A 3-STORY, 17,198 SQUARE FOOT PROFESSIONAL OFFICE BUILDING, 1,175 SQUARE FOOT TIKI BAR, AND A PRIVATE DOCK WITH 2 MOORING SPACES FOR THAT RESTAURANT.

NOW, THE PROJECT DOES CONSIST OF TWO SEPARATE PARCELS TOTALING 4.62 ACRES.

THERE WAS AN EASTERN VACANT PARCEL, WHICH IS TO THE EAST BORDERING THE INTERCOSTAL.

THEN WE HAVE THE WEST PARCEL, WHICH IS AN EXISTING PARKING LOT, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE HERE.

THAT IS THE EXISTING VACANT PARCEL TO THE EAST, THEN WE HAVE THE VACANT EXISTING PARKING LOT HERE TO THE WEST.

THE SITE, AS YOU KNOW, IS BORDERED BY INDIANTOWN ROAD TO THE SOUTH.

TO THE WEST, WE HAVE THE FISHERMAN'S WHARF COMMERCIAL PROJECT, AND THEN BORDERING THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE IS WATER'S EDGE ESTATES, SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, AND THEN WE HAVE THE INTERCOASTAL ALONG THE EAST.

THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL HAS BEEN BOUNCING AROUND FOR QUITE A LONG TIME, FOR ABOUT 35 YEARS NOW.

BACK IN 1988, IT WAS APPROVED AS PART OF THE FISHERMAN'S WHARF PUD.

THEN IN 1999, THERE WAS A SITE PLAN APPROVED FOR 8,600 SQUARE FEET RESTAURANT KNOWN AS JOHNNY LEVEROCK'S AT THE TIME.

THAT WAS NEVER BUILT, OBVIOUSLY.

TWO THOUSAND AND SEVEN, THERE WAS A LAND USE CHANGE FROM COMMERCIAL TO MIXED-USE, AND SPECIAL EXCEPTION SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR A 35-UNIT MULTI-FAMILY CONDOMINIUM PROJECT, 5,600 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL AND MARINA.

THAT WAS APPROVED, BUT WAS ALSO NEVER CONSTRUCTED.

IN 2019, THERE WAS ANOTHER PROJECT, ANOTHER PUD BROUGHT FORWARD FOR 37 UNITS, THAT WAS DENIED.

THEN IN 2021, THE LAND USE THEN WAS CHANGED FROM MIXED-USE, AND NOW BACK TO COMMERCIAL, WHAT IT IS TODAY.

AND THEN IN SEPTEMBER 2022, WE'VE INITIATED THE CURRENT SITE PLAN.

THESE ARE THE TWO PARCELS.

THE EASTERN PARCEL ON THE RIGHT, THERE WE GET THE EXISTING PARKING LOT.

HERE ON THE UPPER LEFT, THE PROJECT WOULD BE INGRESS EGRESS BY THREE POINTS, AND LOOKING AT JUST THE PARKING LOT ITSELF, THAT WHOLE PARKING LOT WOULD BE COMPLETELY REFURBISHED.

LIKE I SAID, IT'S AN EXISTING PARKING LOT TODAY, BUT IT'S VERY OLD AND RUN DOWN, SO THE IDEA HERE WOULD BE TO REMOVE ALL THE BUMPER STOPS, AND PROVIDE CURBING THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PARKING LOT.

BRING ALL THE PARKING STRIPES,

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COMPLETELY REMOVE ALL THE OLD OVERGROWN TREES, SHRUBS, PALMS THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY, PROVIDE ALL NEW PLANTINGS.

THE PARKING LOT WOULD ALSO GET ALL-NEW LED LIGHTING, BRINGING IT UP TO CURRENT CODE.

CURRENTLY, THE PARKING LOT PROVIDES 67 SPACES.

AFTER REMODELING AND BRINGING ALL UP TO CODE, OR CLOSE TO CODE, IT BRINGS IT UNTIL 63 SPACES.

WE'D ALSO PROVIDE PROPER ADA ACCESS CONNECTIONS TO THE PARKING LOT, AND TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.

THEN LOOKING AT THE EAST VACANT PARCEL, THE UPPER BUILDING HERE, THAT IS THE PROPOSED TWO-STORY RESTAURANT WITH OUTDOOR DINING.

THEN WE HAVE THE THREE-STORY OFFICE BUILDING TO THE SOUTH AGAINST ANY TOWN ROAD, AND AGAINST THE BRIDGE.

THE PROPERTY DOES HAVE A 0.8 ACRE MANGROVE, A PRESERVE THAT JETS INTO THE PROPERTY, AND ALONG THE INTERCOASTAL WATERWAY.

THESE ARE THE TWO BOAT MOORING SPACES THAT ARE PROPOSED ESSENTIALLY FOR THE RESTAURANT BASICALLY, AND THEN A CONNECTION UP TO THE PLAZA WITH A RAISED BOARDWALK.

WE PROPOSED THE COMPACTOR ON ALL THE TRASH DISPOSAL, ALONG INDIANTOWN ROAD, GETTING IT AS FAR AWAY AS POSSIBLE FROM THE RESIDENCES.

THIS WOULD BE FOR GARBAGE AND RECYCLE.

THAT'S ALSO FOR THE RESTAURANT AND OFFICE COMBINED.

THE SITE DOES PROPOSE 23 UNDERGROUND PARKING SPACES IN THE YELLOW AREA THERE.

THERE WAS AN EXISTING 5-6 FOOT RETAINING WALL THAT IS ON THE PROPERTY LINE, ESSENTIALLY JUST OFF OF THIS PROPERTY ON THE RESIDENT'S PARCEL, BUT HAS A 5-6 FOR RETAINING WALL.

WE HAVE PROPOSED A SIX-FOOT SCREEN WALL WITH TWO-TIER LANDSCAPING JUST INSIDE OF THAT ON THIS PROPERTY.

ZOOMING IN OF THE OFFICE AND A RESTAURANT THERE, THE PLAZA AREA, THAT IS THE PROPOSED TIKI BAR SITUATED BETWEEN THE TWO STRUCTURES.

WE HAVE PEDESTRIAN PLAZA THAT THEN CONNECTS BOTH OF THE BUILDINGS SURROUNDING THE TIKI BAR WITH RAISED PLANTERS AND STAIRS, AND RAMPS AS WELL.

WE ALSO HAVE A COVERED DROP-OFF AREA THAT WOULD CONNECT BOTH OF THE BUILDINGS.

THE RESTAURANT HAS A COMPLETELY ENCLOSED AND COMPLETELY COVERED SERVICE AREA LOCATED IN FRONT OF THE RESTAURANT.

THIS IS THE OUTDOOR DINING WHICH EVENTUALLY IS ORIENTED AND DIRECTED TO THE EAST AND SOUTHEAST AT THIS LOCATION.

THE ENTRANCE TO THE RESTAURANT HAS A LARGE TWO-STORY GREEN WALL, AS WELL AS A WATER FEATURE AS WELL AT THE ENTRY POINT HERE TO THE RESTAURANT.

ON THE NORTH SIDE, WE'VE TAKEN GREAT CARE IN TRYING TO SCREEN AND STAY AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTS, AND MAKE SURE THERE'S NO NOISE ISSUES.

THIS ENTIRE NORTH SIDE OF THE RESTAURANT HAS NO OPENINGS, NO WINDOWS, OR VIEWS TO THE RESIDENTS TO THE NORTH.

WE HAVE A SETBACK OF 38 FEET TO THAT NORTH PROPERTY LINE.

THIRTY FEET IS THE MINIMUM REQUIRED, SO WE DO EXCEED THAT, AND WE ALSO PROVIDE FOR A 17-FOOT SEPARATION TO THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE FROM THE PARKING LOT ITSELF.

THIS IS A SECTION OF THAT NORTH PROPERTY LINE.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS THE EXISTING HOME TO THE LEFT, AND THE PROPERTY LINE HERE, THAT'S THE EXISTING RETAINING WALL AT THIS POINT, WHICH IS JUST OFF OF THE PROPERTY LINE.

WE HAVE PROPOSED A SIX-FOOT WALL AT THIS POINT, MOVES ALL THE WAY FROM PROPERTY LINE SO THAT WE CAN GET SOME MULTI-LAYERED, HEAVY LANDSCAPING TO HELP BUFFER THIS RESIDENTS IN PARTICULAR.

JUST QUICKLY LOOKING AT THE PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION, THE ORANGE DOTTED LINES, THAT'S THE EXISTING PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION ALONG INDIANTOWN ROAD.

IT JUST COMES IN SLIGHTLY, IT DOESN'T CONNECT TO ANYTHING.

THERE IS SOME INTERNAL CIRCULATION WITHIN THE COMMERCIAL AREA OF FISHERMAN'S WHARF THAT DOESN'T REALLY CONNECT TO INDIANTOWN ROAD AS WELL, IT DOES CONNECT TO THE HOTEL.

WE WILL CONNECT ALL THE PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION FROM INDIANTOWN ROAD INTO THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL.

WE'LL CONNECT THE COMMERCIAL LANE INTO THE PARKING LOT, AND THEN WE'LL ALSO CONNECT PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION INTO THE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION AS WELL.

IT WILL GO UP TO THE GATE.

IT IS GATED AND PRIVATE, THERE'S NO WALKS INSIDE, BUT IT WOULD GO UP TO THE GATE ITSELF.

WE'LL ALSO PROVIDE THAT CONNECTION FROM THAT PARKING LOT INTO THE PROJECT.

THE BUILDING LOT COVERAGE FOR THE EASTERN PARCEL IS 13.7%, 35% IS THE MAX ALLOWABLE.

WE HAVE 50% GREEN SPACE PROVIDED, 30% IS THE MINIMUM ALLOWABLE.

THE WESTERN PARKING LOT, CURRENTLY THERE'S 18.2% OF GREEN SPACE, WE'VE BROUGHT THAT UP TO 24.1 THROUGH THE IMPROVEMENTS.

A HUNDRED AND NINETY PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED THROUGH THE SHARED PARKING PROPOSED,

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ON THE PROPOSAL ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, I'LL GET INTO NOW, IT HAS A VARIATION IN ITS ARTICULATION, MASSING, AND USE OF MATERIALS, CREATING INTERESTING WELCOMING EXPRESSION OF CONTEMPORARY ARCHITECTURE.

THE PROPOSED STRUCTURES RESPECT THE SCALE OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND THEIR MASSINGS, WITH A TWO-STORY RESTAURANT BUILDING NEAR THE RESIDENTIAL, AND THREE-STORY OFFICE BUILDING NEAR THE INDIANTOWN ROAD BRIDGE.

THE ARCHITECTURAL HARBORSIDE WAS USED AS A REFERENCE POINT WITH ITS COASTAL THEMES, BUT SLIGHTLY REINTERPRETED HERE TO PROVIDE ITS OWN IDENTITY.

MATERIALS USED FOR EACH BUILDING REFERENCE BOTH THE NATURAL LANDSCAPE, AND THE PRESERVE USING WOOD CLADDING ON KEY ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, A GREEN WALL, AND INTRODUCING NATURAL TONES, AND UTILIZING METAL AND GREEN WEATHERED COPPER CLADDING TO ACCENT MODERN LINES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS CONTEMPORARY COASTAL DESIGN.

THIS IS ONE OF THE ARCHITECTURAL RENDERINGS.

THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING NORTHEAST FROM INDIANTOWN ROAD, LOOKING AT THE OFFICE BUILDING ITSELF, THE THREE-STORY OFFICE BUILDING.

THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING EAST AS WELL.

YOU'VE GOT THE RESTAURANT TO THE LEFT.

THIS IS THE SCREENED AND COVERED SERVICE AREA HERE ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE.

YOU CAN SEE THE GREEN WALL, THE COVERED DROP-OFF AREAS CONNECTING THE THREE-STORY OFFICE BUILDING HERE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE.

THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING EAST TO THE PLAZA.

YOU HAVE THE TIKI BAR ON THE RIGHT, AND THE RESTAURANT HERE IN THE FOREGROUND.

YOU CAN SEE THE LARGE PLAZA.

WE GOT SOME PLANTERS, THERE'S SOME STAIRWELLS, AND SOME NICE GRADE CHANGES THERE.

THIS IS A VIEW LOOKING DIRECTLY AT THE RESTAURANT.

WE'VE GOT THE DROP-OFF HERE TO THE RIGHT.

THE COVER DROP-OFF AGAIN JUST SHOWS THE TWO-STORY GREEN WALL.

WE HAVE A FOUNTAIN AREA AT THE ENTRY, A NICE ENTRY FIELD TO THE RESTAURANT.

THIS IS THE NORTH WALL OF THE RESTAURANT.

OBVIOUSLY, THIS WILL BE FULLY AND HEAVILY SCREENED, BUFFERED WITH LANDSCAPING, BUT JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU HOW THERE'S NO WINDOWS.

WE DO HAVE A DOOR HERE TO THE STAIRWELL, AND THERE'S ALSO A SERVICE DOOR INTO WHICH WOULD BE THE OUTDOOR DINING, BUT THERE'S NO WINDOWS, NO EVENTS, NO VIEWS, ANYTHING.

EVERYTHING IS SCREENED FROM THAT RESIDENTIAL TO THE NORTH.

I'M GOING TO SKIP OVER THE SIDEWALK WAIVER AS WE DO AGREE TO THAT CONDITION 4.

ALTHOUGH THIS IS A USE BY RIGHT IN THE C-2 ZONING DISTRICT, THE RESTAURANT IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION USE WITHIN THE PARKWAY DISTRICT FOR THE IOZ.

NOW, THE REQUEST FOR THE RESTAURANT USE IS COMPATIBLE, AND WILL BE COMPLIMENTARY TO THE EXISTING USES WITHIN THE ENTIRE FISHERMAN'S WHARF DEVELOPMENT.

WITH THIS, WE'LL NOT HAVE A DETRIMENTAL IMPACT ON SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, AND IT WILL NOT POSE A THREAT TO THE TRAFFIC AS THE REQUESTED MODIFICATION DOES MEET THE PALM BEACH COUNTY TPS STANDARDS.

WE HAVE WORKED VERY HARD IN COORDINATING WITH THE RESIDENTS OF WATER'S EDGE.

WE'VE CONTACTED THEM BACK IN EARLY DECEMBER OF 2022.

WE MET WITH THE RESIDENTS, WE MET WITH THEM ON-SITE.

WE'VE KEPT THEM POSTED ALL ALONG THE WAY OF OUR PROGRESS, AND I HAD GIVEN THEM PACKAGES, AND EVERY TIME WE SUBMIT TO THE TOWN, WE WOULD GIVE THEM A COPY AS WELL.

THE PROJECT DOES PROPOSE SOME OF THE FOLLOWING IN ORDER TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACTS TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.

SOME OF THESE THINGS CAME FROM THE RESIDENTS.

WE DO HAVE THE 17 FOR SEPARATION OF THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE AND PARKING LOT.

MAY THE TWO-TIERED SCREEN WALLS, THE RESTAURANT SETBACK AT 38 FEET.

NO SEATING OR ACTIVITY FACING OR OPEN TO THE RESIDENTIAL.

IT IS FULLY SCREENED AND COVERED SERVICE AREAS.

AGAIN, TOTALLY COVERED.

ON THE TOP AS WELL, FULLY ROOFED.

WE HAVE PARTIAL UNDERGROUND PARKING AND ENTRY LANDSCAPING TO WATER'S EDGE WAS RE-DESIGNED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PROPOSED PROJECT TO ENSURE UNIFORMITY AND CONSISTENCY WITH THEIR ENTRY AS WELL.

THEY HAD ASKED US TO DO THAT AS WELL.

THERE ARE MULTIPLE PROJECT BENEFITS TO THIS PROPERTY.

THIS WILL DEVELOP ONE OF THE LAST FEW REMAINING VACANT PARCELS IN THE TOWN OF JUPITER AND COMPLETE THE OVERALL FISHERMAN'S WHARF DEVELOPMENT.

THERE ARE SEVERAL ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP EFFORTS HERE.

THE PROJECT WILL MAKE ENVIRONMENTAL ENHANCEMENTS BY UTILIZING CONCRETE PILINGS FOR THE DOCK, WHICH STIMULATES MARINE LIFE HABITAT.

WE'LL PLACE INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE NEAR THE BOARDWALK, OVERLOOKING THE MANGROVE PRESERVE AND INTERCOSTAL WATERWAY THAT WILL PROVIDE PUBLIC EDUCATION ON THE ON-GOING ENVIRONMENTAL EFFORTS.

WE'LL ALSO PROVIDE BAT HOUSES ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROJECT ALONG THE PRESERVE.

THERE'S ONLY TWO CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WE'LL LIKE TO DISCUSS.

ONE OF THOSE IS THE OUTDOOR SEATING.

THERE IS A CONDITION IN THERE THAT THE ANY DOORS AND WINDOWS OF THE RESTAURANT TO BE CLOSED BY 10:00 PM DAILY.

WE WOULD JUST LIKE, I GUESS FOR THAT CONDITION TO EITHER BE REMOVED OR TO BE REWARDED, THAT THEY BE ALLOWED TO REMAIN OPEN AND ABIDE BY THE DISTRICT CODE REQUIREMENTS OF THE TOWN.

I MEAN THERE IS A CODE REQUIREMENT THAT HAS THE DECIMAL REQUIREMENTS AFTER 10:00 PM FROM 10:00-7:00 AM.

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WE AGREE WITH WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IT WAS JUST, I THINK WRITTEN A LITTLE HARD TO UNDERSTAND WHERE OUR SUGGESTED CLARIFICATION HERE IS THAT THE APPLICANT SHALL PROVIDE AN EASEMENT OVER THE PROPOSED UPLAND BUFFER PLANTING AREA AS DEPICTED ON THE UPLAND BUFFER EXHIBIT, SHEET UB-1 AND THAT IS JUST THIS PROPOSED UPLAND WE'VE PROVIDED AN EASEMENT OVER THAT.

THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM AT ALL. IN CONCLUSION, WE DO AGREE WITH ALL THE OTHER CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.

AS I STATED, PALM BEACH COUNTY, THIS DOES MEET ALL THE TRAFFIC PERFORMANCE STANDARDS AT PALM BEACH COUNTY.

SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT HAVE REVIEWED AND GIVEN US PRELIMINARY APPROVAL ON THE PROJECT AS IT SITS AGAINST THE MANGROVE PRESERVE.

THIS WILL PROVIDE RESIDENTS WITH ADDITIONAL AND MUCH-NEEDED WATERFRONT DINING WITHIN THE TOWN AND PROVIDES INFILL DEVELOPMENT ON A LONG-VACANT PARCEL.

THE PROJECT HAS BEEN CAREFULLY COORDINATED WITH THE ADJACENT WATER'S EDGE COMMUNITY RESIDENTS AND HAS THEIR FULL SUPPORT.

PROVIDES ENVIRONMENTAL ENHANCEMENTS THAT WILL BENEFIT BOTH MARINE AND WILDLIFE HABITATS.

THE PROJECT MEETS ALL SPECIAL EXCEPTION SITE PLAN REVIEW CRITERIA AND IT'S TECHNICALLY COMPLIANT WITH ALL ZONING CODES AND COMPLAINT REQUIREMENTS.

WE DID RECEIVE THE TOWN'S P&Z COMMISSION APPROVAL LAST MONTH.

THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU.

>> [SPANISH]

>> GOOD EVENING, COUNSELORS.

LIZZIE CONLEY, PLANNING AND ZONING FOR THE RECORD.

THIS APPLICATION FOR TONIGHT INCLUDES A SPECIAL EXCEPTION AND SITE PLAN APPLICATION FOR A THREE-STORY OFFICE BUILDING WITH UNDER-BUILDING PARKING, A TWO-STORY RESTAURANT WITH OUTDOOR DINING, A TIKI BAR, AND A PRIVATE DOCK ON 4.6 ACRES.

STAFF CONDUCTED A COMPLIANCE REVIEW TO ENSURE THAT THE PROJECT IS WITHIN TOWN CODE AND ITS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND STAFF HAS OUTLINED THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS ON RESOLUTION 4223 TO ADDRESS TAX CONCERNS.

IN POINT OF CLARIFICATION, THE 1988 APPLICATION WAS NOT A PUD FROM THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION.

A MAJOR CONCERN FOR STAFF WAS THAT THERE WAS NO PROPOSED SIDEWALK ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE REQUIRED BY CODE IF NOT WAIVED BY THE TOWN ENGINEER.

SO THE PROPOSED REDESIGN WOULD INCREASE THE LANDSCAPING AREA ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE CIRCLE TO INCORPORATE THE EXISTING MEDIAN, WHICH WILL PROVIDE ADDITIONAL AREAS FOR LANDSCAPING, TRAFFIC CALMING, AND SPEED REDUCTION ELEMENT, AND A NEW SIDEWALK CONNECTION.

THE TOWN ENGINEER AND TRAFFIC ENGINEER ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE CHANGE AS IT ACCOMPLISHES TRAFFIC CALMING AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS, ALONG WITH THE ADDITIONAL SIDEWALK CONNECTIVITY.

THE AREA IS UNDER OWNERSHIP OF THE FISHERMEN WHARF'S PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION AND THEIR APPROVAL WILL BE REQUIRED FOR THE MODIFICATION.

AS A RESULT, STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED THE CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT SHALL OBTAIN APPROVAL FROM THE FISHERMAN'S WHARF PLA TO REVISE THE SITE PLAN TO NARROW THE FISHERMAN'S WAY DRIVEWAY SOUTH OF THE TROPICS CIRCLE BY EXTENDING THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT TO THE EXISTING CENTRAL MEDIAN.

THE EXTENDED LANDSCAPING SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT SHALL INCORPORATE THE SIDEWALK CONNECTION TO THE EAST ALONG WITH A CROSSWALK FOR PEDESTRIANS THAT'S NEAR THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE AREA.

THE FINAL DESIGN SHALL BE SUBJECT TO THE REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF THE TOWN ENGINEER AND SHOULD THE FISHERMAN'S WHARF PLA DENY THE MODIFICATION THEN THE APPLICANT SHALL NOT BE REQUIRED TO REVISE THE ENTRY DRIVEWAY.

AFTER PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, STAFF DID SPEAK WITH THE PROPERTY MANAGER AND SHE WAS GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE CONCEPTUAL DRAWING THAT WE DID FOR HER.

FOR THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER, THE APPLICANT DID AGREE TO REDUCE THE EXISTING NONCONFORMITIES OF THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER BY INCREASING THE WESTERN LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG THE WESTERNMOST ROW OF THE EIGHT PARKING SPACES TO THE MINIMUM OF THE FIVE FEET WIDTH.

THEY DID THAT BY REMOVING TWO PARKING SPACES, BUT THEN THEY WOULD STILL BE WITHIN THE SHARED PARKING BY PROVIDING THREE MORE THAN REQUIRED BY CODE.

IN ADDITION, AFTER THE CONCERN'S VOICE AT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, TO RELATE IT TO MINIMIZING IMPACTS TO THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL UNITS, STAFF ARE THE CONDITION THAT REQUIRES THE NORTHERN BUFFER

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PARKING WAS ANOTHER ISSUE AT THE JULY 11TH, P&Z MEETING, THE APPLICANT REPRESENTED THAT THE 23 PARKING SPACES IN THE UNDER-BUILDING PARKING GARAGE BELOW THE OFFICE BUILDING, WERE NOT TO BE SHARED BY THE RESTAURANT, WHICH IS NOT INDICATED IN THE APPLICATION PURSUANT TO CODE, PARKING SPACES THAT ARE RESERVED CANNOT COUNT TOWARDS SHARED PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THOSE SPACES AVAILABLE.

CURRENTLY, THEY'RE NOT ACCESSIBLE FOR THE RESTAURANT USE BECAUSE THE UNDER-BUILDING PARKING ONLY SERVICES THE OFFICE BUILDING AND THROUGH A PRIVATE ELEVATOR AND THE CLOSED STAIRWELL.

AFTER THE MEETING, THE APPLICANT RESPONDED TO THE ISSUE AND INDICATED THAT THE PARKING WILL BE ADA-ACCESSIBLE AND AVAILABLE FOR ALL PROPOSED USES WHENEVER SUCH USES ARE OPEN FOR BUSINESS.

THIS WILL BE REFLECTED IN THE SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT AND THE VALLEY PLAN TO ENSURE THAT THE SPACES ARE GOING TO BE AVAILABLE DURING ALL TIMES EVEN WHEN THE OFFICE BUILDING IS CLOSED.

IF ANY LIMITATIONS OR RESERVATIONS OF SPACES WERE PROPOSED IN THE FUTURE, THE SHARED PARKING CALCULATION WOULD HAVE TO BE CHANGED TO MEET CODE REQUIREMENTS.

THE APPLICANT DID NOT MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE OFFICE BUILDING DESIGNED TO MAKE THE SPACES MORE ACCESSIBLE TO THE LOCATION OF THE RESTAURANT AND STAFF HAS ADDED THE CONDITION THAT THE SEMEN ABUSE AN OFFICE BUILDING PLANS SHALL BE UPDATED TO INCLUDE A STAIRWELL AND LOBBY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE OFFICE BUILDING, DESIGN AND MAINTAIN FOR DIRECT OPEN ACCESS BETWEEN THE PARKING AND THE PLAZA BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS.

STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED A VALET PLAN SINCE THE NATURE OF THE PROJECT WILL LIKELY UTILIZE VALET PARKING.

THE SHARED PARKING IS WITHIN CODE, BUT CODE IS A MINIMUM STANDARD AND STAFF NOTES THAT THERE'S NO SPECIFIC TENANT CHOSEN, SO THAT COULD BE SUBJECT TO UNIQUE DEMANDS THAT MAY AFFECT PARKING IN THE FUTURE.

FOR THE ARCHITECTURE, THE STYLE IS VERY CONTEMPORARY COMPARED TO THE SURROUNDING MEDITERRANEAN AND TRADITIONAL STYLES.

STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE ADDITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS LIKE ADDITIONAL GREEN WALLS OR TRELLISES, WHERE THERE ARE BLANK SPACES, MORE SPECIFICALLY, ON THE RESIDENTIAL FACING ELEVATIONS, THE ONES THAT HAVE NO WINDOWS PROPOSED.

STAFF IS ALSO REQUESTING ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT PLAN TO BE REVIEWED TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL NOISE OR NUISANCE TO THE RESIDENTIAL HOMES TO THE NORTH.

FOR OUTDOOR SEATING EARLY ON INTO THIS APPLICATION, STAFF DID REQUESTS THAT THERE WAS A SWITCH OF THE TWO USES FOR THE OFFICE AND THE RESTAURANT TO HELP MITIGATE NUISANCES FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.

THE APPLICANT DIDN'T WANT TO SWITCH THE USE BUT DID PROVIDE WALLS INSIGNIFICANT LANDSCAPED BUFFERING.

AS A RESULT, STAFF DID LOOK TWO WAYS TO REDUCE NUISANCES TO THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AND PROVIDED THE CONDITION TO CLOSE ALL OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES AT 10:00 PM.

AFTER THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, THE APPLICANT NOTED THAT THEY HAD AN ISSUE WITH THE CONDITION TO STOP THE OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES AT 10:00 PM BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE A TENANT YET.

STAFF INCLUDED THE CONDITION BECAUSE IT ALLOWS FOR THE OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES TO BE MONITORED EASIER THROUGH TIMING RATHER THAN SOUND LEVELS.

IF THE CONDITION IS CHANGED TO JUST MEET CODE, IT PUTS MONITORING BURDEN ON STAFF IN THE AREA THAT'S ALREADY HAD OUTDOOR NOISE AS AN ISSUE.

THIS IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR A RESTAURANT USE.

SO TOWN COUNCIL HAS THE AUTHORITY TO LIMIT THE HOURS OF THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION USE.

FOR ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP, STAFF OUTLINE THE CRITERIA TO BE MET AND THE APPLICANT DID HAVE CONCERNS WITH THE WORDING AND CONDITION 8B, WHICH HAS BEEN ALTERED TO INCLUDE THE TRANSITIONAL UPLAND PLANTING AREA BUFFER, AND STAFF ALSO INCLUDED CONDITIONS FOR SIGNAGE AND UTILITIES.

SO LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. [NOISE]

>> THANK YOU. MOVE ON TO COUNSEL FOR QUESTIONS.

>> I HAVE A FEW. IF I COULD ASK THE APPLICANT FOR JUST A MINUTE.

THANK YOU. I KNOW IT'S SPOKEN ABOUT THIS BRIEFLY, BUT THE GARAGE PARKING, I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT THERE WILL BE ACCESS TO THE RESTAURANT AND TO THE PLAZA WITH THE TIKI BAR, ALLOWING THAT TO BE MORE OF A NATURAL PART OF THE SHARED PARKING.

RESIDENTS MIGHT BE ABLE TO PARK IN THAT GARAGE AND GO UP TO EITHER OF THE USERS.

WILL THERE BE SIGNAGE ON ANY OF THOSE PARKING SPACES IN THAT GARAGE RELATED TO THE OFFICE? FOR EXAMPLE, I'VE BEEN IN GARAGES WHERE IT MIGHT SAY, "RESERVED FOR AN OFFICE USE, 9-5 OR 8-4." CAN YOU HELP CLARIFY, AND THIS MAY BE ALSO FOR STAFF,

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>> I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO THAT BECAUSE BASICALLY IT'S ALL OPEN PARKING AND SHARED, SO IT HAS TO BE OPEN.

IF THE RESTAURANT IS OPEN, THOSE SPACES NEED TO BE AVAILABLE FOR THE RESTAURANT.

>> THANK YOU. THEN THE NEW VIEWS, I'M GRATEFUL FOR THAT CONSIDERATION.

I SAW THE VISUAL ON THE SLIDE.

DOES THAT EXTEND INTO THE OUTDOOR DINING SECTION? ARE ALL VIEWS BLOCKED FOR PRIVACY?

>> WHICH VIEW? ONE OF THE ONES I HAD. [OVERLAPPING]

>> THE NO VIEWS WINDOWS.

>> ON THE SIDE OF THE ELEVATION?

>> CORRECT.

>> WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION ON THAT?

>> IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE SLIDE WITH THE DOTTED YELLOW LINE, BUT I JUST WANT TO ENSURE THAT YOU'VE DONE EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO MAINTAIN THAT PRIVACY FOR RESIDENTS.

GIVEN TO YOU SAYS I SAW THE BUFFER AND THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER.

>> IT'D BE HERE.

>> THERE IT IS. IT LOOKS TO EXTEND BEYOND THE BUILDING TO THE COVERED OUTDOORS.

>> THE WALL ITSELF?

>> YEAH.

>> YEAH. IT'S HARD TO SEE ON THIS PLAN.

THEY DO SHOW ON ONE OF THE OTHERS.

SORRY, LET ME SEE IF I COULD HAVE SOMETHING.

HERE IT SHOWS IT, I THINK.

IT'S HARD TO SEE. WE DO HAVE A SIX-FOOT WALL.

THAT WALL IS DOWN BELOW AND GOES ABOUT TO THIS TREE AT THIS POINT.

OUR WALL THEN TIE COMES IN AND TIES ACTUALLY TO THE BUILDING ITSELF.

IT GOES ALMOST THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE PROPERTY.

WE DIDN'T REALLY GO PAST THEIR BACK PATIO.

>> THAT IS ALL FOR NOW.

>> STAYING ON THE WALL. YOU JUST WENT TO THE EXISTING RETAINING WALL WITH YOUR SIX-FOOT? CORRECT? IT COULDN'T GO ANY FURTHER OR IT DIDN'T GO ANY FURTHER?

>> FOR THE LENGTH OF IT?

>> YEAH. TOWARDS THE EAST.

>> LET ME SEE HOW FAR.

SORRY. I GOT A PLAN HERE SOMEWHERE THAT SHOWS IT.

I THOUGHT WE HAD A CLOSER VIEW, BUT. [OVERLAPPING].

>> THAT'S OKAY. IT'S ABOUT THE SAME.

>> WE ESSENTIALLY GO JUST BACK TO HER PATIO SO SHE'S SCREENED OFF FROM THERE. I'M LOOKING AT A PATIO.

>> THE DUMPSTERS NEAR THE INDIAN TOWN ROAD ARE FOR BOTH BUILDINGS, RESTAURANT, AND OFFICE BUILDING?

>> YES. THAT'S A COMPACTOR.

>> THAT'S IT FOR NOW. ONE QUESTION FOR STAFF.

>> BUT THIS IS THE ONLY TIME FOR QUESTIONS.

>> OKAY. STAFF.

>> IN REGARDS TO THE 10:00 PM SHUTTING OF THE DOORS AND WINDOWS TO THE RESTAURANT, DOES THAT MEAN NO OUTSIDE DINING?

>> THE OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES WOULD BE CLOSED BUT THEY COULD REMAIN DOING STUFF INSIDE.

>> I'VE ANALYZED THE WAY THE BUILDING'S SITUATED AND THEY HAVE THE WALL THAT GOES BOTH STORIES OR BOTH DECKS OF THE RESTAURANT.

ANY SOUND WOULD TRAVEL EAST ACROSS THE WATER AND ACROSS THE WATER THERE'S HARBOR SIDE, BUT THERE'S SPACES.

I DON'T SEE THERE'D BE ANY REFLECTION COMING BACK IN SOUND AND PLUS IN RESTAURANTS AFTER NINE O'CLOCK, IT CLEARS OUT FOR THE MOST PART.

I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THERE'S NO MUSIC BEING PLAYED, WHAT WOULD BE THE SITUATION WITH NOISE GOING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE NEIGHBORS AND THEIR NEED FOR PRIVACY AND QUIET, DID THEY HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THAT, JUST WONDERING WHERE THAT CAME FROM? I KNOW WE HAVE HAD THE WHOLE HARBOR SIDE ISSUES FOR YEARS AND ALL THAT.

>> IN THE PAST WE'VE HEARD COMPLAINTS EVEN ABOUT SILVERWARE, CLIENT GAIN AND DISHES AND THAT KIND OF THING.

FROM OUTDOOR DINING, NOT JUST MUSIC.

>> [OVERLAPPING] DO YOU THINK THAT SOUND COULD MAKE IT OVER TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? I GUESS MY THOUGHT ON THIS ONE.

WE, IN SO MUCH LIKE WE DID WHEN HE'S SITTING RIGHT HERE WITH SIMMS HOUSE, IF YOU APPROVE A RESTAURANT, I HATE TO TELL YOU ONE HAND BEHIND THEIR BACK.

EVEN THOUGH IT'S AFTER NINE O'CLOCK AFTER 10 O'CLOCK, WHO'S GOING OUT TO DINNER IS VERY QUIET.

I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S NECESSARY TO STRING THEM LIKE THAT.

>> I UNDERSTAND. BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TYPE OF RESTAURANT WILL BE HERE AND WE HAVE NO LIMITATIONS ON THEIR OVERALL HOURS.

THEY COULD IN FACT BE A 24-HOUR OPERATION.

THEY WOULD JUST HAVE TO STOP SERVING ALCOHOL AT 03:00 AM.

>> YOU CAN GO 24 HOURS IN JUPITER?

>> THERE'S NO LIMITATION ON BUSINESS HOURS.

YOU COULD PLACE A CONDITION ON BUSINESS HOURS, BUT THEY'RE OTHERWISE IS NO REQUIREMENT IN THE TOWN CODE FOR BUSINESS HOURS OTHER THAN DISCONTINUING SALES OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AT 03:00 AM IN THIS AREA.

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>> IF WE MADE IT GO TO 11:00 AND THERE WERE ISSUES, COULD WE PULL IT? [OVERLAPPING] WHAT IF WE SAID THEY HAD STOPPED SERVING AT 11:00 OUTSIDE AND THEN A RESTAURANT CAME IN, OPENED UP AND THERE WERE ISSUES, COULD WE PULL IT FROM THEM WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? I JUST HATE LIMITATIONS ON RESTAURANTS.

IT'S A TOUGH BUSINESS TO BEGIN WITH.

>> [OVERLAPPING] IF YOU WERE TO ADD A CONDITION RELATED TO HOURS FOR BUSINESS HOURS OR TO KEEP THE CONDITION THAT'S IN FOR THE OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES, IN ORDER TO AMEND THAT IF YOU WANTED TO COUNSEL ONLY TO AMEND IT, YOU COULD ADD THE PHRASE TO THAT CONDITION, SUBJECT TO TOWN COUNCIL REVIEW AND APPROVAL, NO ANY CHANGES, OTHERWISE STAFF COULD CONSIDER CHANGING THAT.

IS NOT SOMETHING WE WOULD TYPICALLY DO FOR THAT TYPE OF CONDITION.

WE WOULD NORMALLY BRING IT BACK THROUGH THE REVIEW PROCESS.

>> WELL, I GUESS I'LL LISTEN TO MY COLLEAGUES AND SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION.

>> ONE QUESTION THE APPLICANT MAY THINK THIS IS AN ODD ONE HERE, BUT SHOW ME AN EXISTING RETAINING WALL.

>> THE RETAINING WALL ACTUALLY SITS ON THE SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE PROPERTY.

THE BACK OF THAT WALL SITS RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE.

THE PLAN WOULD BE TO LEAVE THAT RETAINING WALL BECAUSE IT IS HERS.

HOPEFULLY, IT'S SOUND WOULD THEY HAVEN'T GOTTEN IN THERE, DONE ANY WORK, AND THEN BUILT THE OTHER WALL THEN WHATEVER WAS SIX OR EIGHT FEET OFF OF THAT AND THEN IN LANDSCAPE BETWEEN THEM.

>> YOU WOULD LANDSCAPE UP TO THE WALL?

>> YES, ON OUR PROPERTY, WITH LANDSCAPE BOTH SIDES.

LET ME PULL THAT SECTION UP HERE.

ESSENTIALLY, THIS IS HER BACK OF THE WALL, SITS ON THE PROPERTY LINE, AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE A NEW SIX-FOOT WALL SITTING BACK HERE AND THEN BOTH SIDES OF THE WALL WOULD BE LANDSCAPED AND MAINTAINED, OF COURSE, BY THIS PERSON.

>> YOU DON'T KNOW WHO OWNS THAT RETAINING WALL, BUT IT SITS ON THE PROPERTY OWNER'S PROPERTY?

>> YES. IT'S DEFINITELY THE PROPERTY OWNERS RETAINING WALL SITTING THERE.

>> WOW. FIRST OF ALL, YOU'RE ADDING LOAD TO THAT WALL, RELYING UPON A PROPERTY OWNER TO MAINTAIN A WALL THAT YOU'RE ADDING LOAD TO LONG-TERM.

SEEMS LIKE THAT'S A CONCERN.

>> YES. LIKE I SAID, THEY HAVEN'T GONE IN AND DONE ANY STRUCTURAL EVALUATIONS OF THAT WALL.

OBVIOUSLY, IF THEY GO IN AND FIND OUT THAT THE WALL IS GOING TO BE REBUILT AND OBVIOUSLY IS NOT GOING TO BE THE PROPERTY OWNERS, IT'S GOING TO A BURDEN ON THIS PROPERTY OWNER.

>> ON WITH PROPERTY OWNER.

>> ON THIS SUBJECT, ON THIS PARCEL HERE.

>> BECAUSE I'M JUST LOOKING AT.

I KNOW IT'S JUST A CARTOON HERE, BUT THE RETAINING WALL YOU'RE BUILDING AND IT APPEARS TO POTENTIALLY APPLY A LOAD TO THE EXISTING RETAINING WALL, BUT I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.

>> IT DEFINITELY COULD.

>> JUST A REAL CONCERN ABOUT THAT.

I GUESS A QUESTION ON STAFF WITH REGARD TO THE NUANCES OF THE CODE, WITH REGARD TO OUTDOOR SEATING.

AT THE PROPERTY LINE, I HAD ASKED THIS QUESTION BEFORE THE MEETING, I JUST WANT TO GET IT ONTO THE RECORD.

IRONICALLY, AT THE PROPERTY LINE, THIS PROPERTY IS ALLOWED A GREATER NOISE LIMIT ON THE PROPERTY LINE OF THE RESIDENT AND HARBORED SIDE.

IS THAT NOT CORRECT?

>> YES. THAT'S CORRECT.

>> IT'S GOT TO DO WITH THE HARBOR SIDE, THE DISTANCE ACROSS THE RIVER.

THE LEVEL THAT THEY'RE BOUND TO AT THIS COMMUNITY IS LOWER THAN THIS APPLICATION IS SO IT REALLY DOES GIVE ME QUITE A BIT OF CONCERN ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I KNOW THEY'VE MADE SIGNIFICANT EFFORT.

I WISH TO HAVE TO LISTEN TO THE STAFF'S REQUEST TO SWITCH.

I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

>> TO SWITCH WHAT?

>> TO SWITCH TO BUILDINGS.

IT'S WITH THE STAFF THAT I ASKED.

PARTNERS, THIS IS A SITE PLAN ISSUE BECAUSE NOBODY IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD WANT TO USE NEXT TO YOU THAT COULD GO ALL THE TIME.

I MEAN, MY NEIGHBOR MAY MAKE NOISE FOR A FEW HOURS BECAUSE THEY HAVE A PARTY, BUT IT'S NOT. [OVERLAPPING].

>> I UNDERSTAND.

>> FOLLOW UP ON THE QUESTION, I GUESS I'LL ASK STAFF THIS COUNCIL

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BUT IT SEEMS TO ME, MY OWN PERSONAL OBSERVATION, SO I JUST ASKED STAFF TO COMMENT ABOUT MY PERSONAL OBSERVATIONS.

IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE IN EVERY SHARED-USE SITUATION WE HAVE, THE OWNER EVENTUALLY PUT SIGNS UP LIMITINGS PARKING SPACES.

WHAT WE MADE HERE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT.

INEVITABLY, THE OFFICE BUILDING IS GOING TO DO IT.

THEN THAT CREATES A CONFLICT AND THEN IT'S AN AWFUL LONG WAY ON AN OFFICE BUILDING PHYSICALLY TO EVEN FIND THAT UNDERGROUND PARKING, WHICH IS NOT REALLY A GARAGE.

DOES THE STAFF HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT REALLY THE REASONABLE USE OF THOSE SPACES IN A SHARED PARKING CALCULATION? BECAUSE I DO. JUST ONE STAFF CAN COMMENT ABOUT THAT.

>> YES.

WE DON'T HAVE A VALET PARKING PLAN AND BECAUSE WE ANTICIPATED IT, WE DID RECOMMEND THAT AS A CONDITION TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S AN ORGANIZED ARRANGEMENT FOR VALET PARKING.

THE APPLICANT HASN'T PROVIDED A LOT OF THOSE TYPE OF DETAILS I THINK PRESUMABLY BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF KNOWN TENANTS.

IT MAY BE, TO YOUR POINT, APPROPRIATE AND TO THE COUNSEL SUNDSTROM, TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF SIGN AND THAT INDICATES WHERE THAT DRIVEWAY IS TO THE UNDER BUILDING PARKING FOR THE OFFICE.

THAT IT'S FOR OFFICE AND RESTAURANT PATRONS TO AT LEAST NOTIFY THE PUBLIC THAT IT IS ACCESSIBLE BECAUSE IT IS TUCKED UNDER AND TUCKED AWAY TO THE SIDE FOR THIS FROM THE RESTAURANT.

>> THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?

>> NO. I CAN DELIBERATE WITH.

>> SAYING YES OR NO?

>> NO.

>> MOVING BACK TO COUNSEL THEN FOR DELIBERATIONS.

>> ON THE BUILDINGS, I AGREE AT FIRST I HAD THOUGHT ABOUT WHY THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GO FOR THE SWITCH WITH A THREE STORY AND THE TWO STORY.

BUT I WOULD ALSO PONDER AND RECOMMEND, TO ME THERE'S SOME LOGIC TO IT JUST IN THE WAY IT FACES THE WATER BUT ALSO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT PRIVACY FOR THOSE RESIDENCES PARTICULARLY THE ONE RIGHT AGAINST THE RESTAURANT USE AND A THREE-STORY BUILDING THERE COULD PROVIDE ADDITIONAL CHALLENGES TO PRIVACY.

I'M OKAY WITH THE RESTAURANT USE THERE.

IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THE RESIDENTS ARE OKAY WITH IT, WHICH IS A REALLY BIG PART OF THIS.

I BELIEVE THAT IF WE ARE TO LEARN THE LESSONS OF HARBOR SIDE AND OTHER PROPERTIES, AND GIVEN THE VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE RESIDENTIAL HERE, I THINK WE SHOULD KEEP THE CONDITION THAT WAS THERE THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING.

IT ONLY CAME UP RECENTLY THAT THERE WAS CONCERN AROUND THAT 10:00 P.M.

I THINK IT WOULD BE WISE TO KEEP IT.

I DID, AND I THINK IT WAS INTERESTING TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE OF THE CONDITION TO MEET OUR CODE.

IT ALMOST GOES WITHOUT SAYING.

IT DOESN'T NEED A CONDITION TO MEET THE CODE.

I JUST THINK AS AN EXTRA PRODUCTION, GIVEN THE LOCATION, GIVEN THE HISTORY, THERE'S A KNOWN THERE. IT'S NOT AN UNKNOWN.

WE KNOW THAT THAT COULD BE A CONCERN.

I THINK I FEEL BETTER ABOUT THE VIEWS OF THE PROPERTY.

I'M GRATEFUL TO STAFF FOR THEIR CONDITIONS AROUND THE ARCHITECTURE AND JUST ADDING SOME ELEMENTS OF INTERESTS THERE, THIS IS A VERY DIFFERENT TYPE OF ARCHITECTURE.

WHAT YOU HAVE IS MEDITERRANEAN DONE VERY WELL WITH FRESH MARKET AND SO FOR THAT TRANSITION, I JUST LIKE THE EXTRA VISUAL INTEREST THAT THEY HAD RECOMMENDED.

I WOULD ALSO SUGGESTS POTENTIALLY ADDING A CONDITION OF APPROVAL TO HAVE THAT SIGNAGE FOR THE GARAGE TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL WANTING TO USE THOSE USES WOULD KNOW ABOUT IT.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I'M SUPPORTIVE.

>> I'D AGREE WITH THE SIGNAGE. GO AHEAD.

>> NO, YOU GO.

>> I AGREE WITH THE SIGNAGE FOR THE GARAGE JUST TO HELP ORIENTATE THE TRAFFIC.

I THINK ANY OPERATOR, THEY'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH A VALET SYSTEM JUST SO WORK YOURSELF THAT PARKING'S A NIGHTMARE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, IT'S NOT GOOD FOR BUSINESS SO I THINK THAT WOULD HAPPEN ORGANICALLY.

I THINK THE ORIENTATION OF THE BUILDINGS IS CORRECT, WHERE YOU DON'T WANT YOUR RESTAURANT RIGHT ON IN THE INTERNAL ROAD.

I THINK IT'S FAR ENOUGH AWAY AND ORIENTATED WHERE THE SOUND GOES OUT OVER THE WATER.

I UNDERSTAND THE 10 O'CLOCK ISSUE ALSO. I'VE GONE THROUGH THIS.

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I THINK THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN HANGING OUT THERE FOR A LONG TIME.

I THINK FOR WORKING ON THIS PROPERTY, THIS IS VERY REASONABLE AND IT SUITES THE PROPERTY AND THE FOLKS NEXT DOOR ARE PRETTY SUPPORTIVE OF IT.

I WOULD SUPPORT THIS APPLICATION.

>> I AGREE WITH ALL THE COMMENTS MADE AND MY BIGGEST THING IS AS LONG AS THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE MOST EFFECTIVE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT THEN IT'S HARD TO GO AGAINST THAT.

I'M ALWAYS WANT TO BE LOOKING OUT FOR THEM, ESPECIALLY EVERYTHING WE WENT THROUGH WITH HARBOR SIDE AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

BUT I AGREE WITH THE 10 O'CLOCK CAP AND EVERYTHING ON NOISE AND OUTDOOR SEATING AND WHATNOT.

>> I'M NOT GOING TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS ITEM.

I DO THINK THAT THE TOTALITY OF THE USES, I COULD SUPPORT.

I STILL AM AWFULLY CONCERNED ABOUT NOISE IMPACTS ON THE NEIGHBORS.

THAT'S WHY I THINK IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED IN SITE PLAN AND I KNOW THAT TO SOME DEGREE THE APPLICANT DID TRY TO DO THAT.

REMEMBER NOW THE OUTDOOR SEATING, UNUSUALLY IN THIS CASE, IS ACTUALLY TWO LEVELS.

LOOK AT THE ELEVATION DIFFERENCE AND WHATEVER BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

I APPRECIATE, AGAIN, THEY DID A LOT OF EFFORTS TO GIVE THE APPEARANCE OF TRYING TO MITIGATE NOISE.

LANDSCAPING DOESN'T MITIGATE NOISE, IF YOU KNOW, FDOT ALONG HIGHWAYS AND WHATEVER.

I'M JUST STILL TOO CONCERNED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL.

I HOPE I'M WRONG, I HOPE THIS IS SUCCESSFUL BUT I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

IT WAS ALMOST AS A FLAG TO ME FOR THE APPLICANT TO SAY, NO, I'LL FOLLOW THE CODE, BECAUSE THIS IS AN EASY CODE TO SOME DEGREE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE SET.

THAT JUST GIVES ME A CONCERN.

I HOPE THEY COME NOWHERE NEAR THE CODE.

WE HAVE TO REALIZE THAT, AND IT SHOULD BE SITE PLANNING ALWAYS THAT MAXIMUM NOISE IS NOT INTENDED TO BE SUSTAINED.

BUT IF YOU'RE NEXT TO AN OUTDOOR RESTAURANT, POTENTIALLY, IT ALMOST CAN BE SUSTAINED FOR RESIDENTS.

AGAIN, I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT BUT THAT'S THE REASONS WHY I'M NOT GOING TO BE SUPPORTIVE.

AGAIN, I CAME BACK WITH, THIS IS I COULD HAVE SUPPORTED BUT IN MY MIND IT NEED TO BE SITE PLANNED DIFFERENTLY.

SO COUNCIL FOR MOTION.

>> MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 4233 WITH THE CONDITIONS WE ADD IN THE SIGNAGE FOR MARKING. ANYTHING ELSE?

>> WE'RE KEEPING THE 10.

>> KEEPING THE 10.

>> ANYTHING ELSE? SECOND.

>> HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>> AYE.

>> AYE.

>> OPPOSED, NAY.

MOTION CARRIES 3:1 WITH MAYOR KURETSKI DISSENTING.

MOVING ON TO RESOLUTION 49-23 TOWN HALL AVENUE,

[14. Resolution 49-23, 1000 Town Hall Avenue (Old Town Hall) – Quasi-Judicial – Requesting a Town-initiated Local Historic Designation for a +/- 2.4- acre property located at 1000 Town Hall Avenue.]

DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY EX PARTE DISCLOSURES?

>> I SPOKE WITH STAFF.

>> NO DISCLOSURES. NONE?

>> NONE.

>> NONE.

>> I HAVE NONE. I GUESS WE NEED TO SWEAR, IS IT JUST THE STAFF HERE? THERE IS NO APPLICANT. WE ARE THE APPLICANT?

>> WE ARE THE APPLICANT.

>> DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE IN THIS HEARING IS THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?

>> I DO.

>> WILL YOU GIVE ANY APPLICANTS PRESENTATION OR STAFFS?

>> I'M GIVING. [LAUGHTER] WHAT'S THE QUESTION? THANK YOU, MAYOR. GOOD EVENING, TOWN COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS STEPHEN MAYER FOR THE RECORD, I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.

I'M A SENIOR PLANNER, PLANNING AND ZONING.

WE ARE THE APPLICANT.

THIS IS A PROJECT.

I AM ALSO THE NEW LIAISON TO HISTORIC RESOURCES BOARD, AND THIS IS A PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS A STRATEGIC PRIORITY BY THE HISTORIC RESOURCES BOARD, AND I'M PROUD TO BRING THIS FORWARD FOR YOUR DELIBERATION.

THE OLD TOWN HALL SITE IS LOCATED AT 1,000 TOWN HALL AVENUE.

THIS IS A LOCAL HISTORIC DESIGNATION APPLICATION BY THE TOWN OF JUPITER.

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THE SITE IS 2.4 ACRES IN SIZE, IS LOCATED GENERALLY WEST OF ALTERNATE A1A AND NORTH OF CENTER.

THIS IS A CLOSE-UP OF THE PROPERTY IN YELLOW, 2.4 ACRES.

YOU CAN SEE THE LOCATION IN RED IS THE OLD TOWN HALL BUILDING, WHICH IS A LITTLE OVER 2,000 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE.

THE APPROXIMATE SCHOOLHOUSE LOCATION IS JUST NORTH OF THAT PROPERTY.

WE USED SOME AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHY FROM 1940, TO IDENTIFY WHERE THAT PROPERTY IS LOCATED GENERALLY.

THAT'S ALSO WHERE THE EXISTING PLAYGROUND IS TODAY.

TO THE WEST OF THE PROPERTY, THERE IS THE SEMINOLE BASIN.

I JUST WANTED TO SHOW THAT WITH A LOCATION OF THAT PROPERTY, THERE WERE SOME STAFF CONSIDERATION LATER THAT I'LL SPEAK ABOUT CONCERNING THAT BASIN.

NOW, GOING ON TO THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE PROPERTY, THIS IS A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE PENNOCK FLAT.

IT'S NAMED THAT WAY BECAUSE IT WAS DONATED BY TWO BROTHERS, HENRY AND HERBERT PENNOCK.

THEY DONATED FOR PUBLIC USE FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES.

FOR THAT REASON IN 1911, THE PENNOCK SCHOOL HOUSE WAS BUILT.

THIS SCHOOL HOUSE WAS THE THIRD SCHOOL HOUSE TO BE BUILT IN OUR LOCATION BEFORE WE WERE EVEN A TOWN.

IT WAS THE FIRST ONE TO OFFER CLASSES PAST EIGHTH GRADE.

IT WAS ALSO KNOWN AS THE JUPITER JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL.

GRADUATES FROM JUPITER JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL ACTUALLY WOULD THEN GO TO SENIOR HIGH AT DREYFUS ALL THE WAY DOWN IN PALM BEACH, IF YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT.

YOU COULD SEE A PICTURE OF THE SCHOOL HOUSE LOCATED ON THE RIGHT SIDE, IT NO LONGER EXISTS, BUT IT WAS ON THAT SITE.

I'LL TALK ABOUT THE MATERIALS THAT WERE USED TO BUILD THE TOWN HALL WERE ACTUALLY MATERIALS OF THAT SCHOOL HOUSE.

IN 1925, OUR TOWN INCORPORATED AND IN THAT SCHOOL HOUSE THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE VOTED TO INCORPORATE THIS TOWN.

THERE'S AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE IN THIS SITE.

DUE TO THE MATERIALS THAT WERE THERE AT THE SCHOOL HOUSE, ALSO WITHIN THE BUILDING THAT EXISTS TODAY.

AFTER THE DECOMMISSIONING OF THE SCHOOL HOUSE, THE SCHOOL HOUSE WAS ACTUALLY USED AS A TOWN HALL IN THAT INTERIM.

BUT IN 1950S, WE DECIDED TO BUILD A PURPOSE-BUILT TOWN HALL AND THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST PURPOSE-BUILT TOWN HALL THAT THE TOWN EVER HAD.

THAT WAS BUILT IN 1952 AND FOR APPROXIMATELY 30 YEARS WAS USED AS OUR TOWN HALL.

IT WAS BUILT BY ROOD-WILLIAMS AMERICAN LEGION.

I CAN LOOK AT THE BUDGET NUMBER, I KNOW IT, $1,419.09 IS WHAT ORIGINALLY BUILT OUR TOWN HALL.

AFTER 1980, IT THEN QUICKLY BECAME OUR TOWN'S FIRST PALM BEACH COUNTY BRANCH LIBRARY IN '82 AND SERVED THAT PURPOSE UNTIL 1992.

WHERE THEN WE BUILT THEN THE ONE THAT WE HAVE HERE ON MILITARY TRAIL CURRENTLY.

AFTER THAT TIME, WE HAD BEEN USING THIS SITE FOR CIVIC EVENTS AND SOMETIMES WE'VE HAD CIVIC LEADERS OR INDOOR COUNCIL MEMBERS USE THOSE AS OUR OFFICES DURING THE '80S AND SO FORTH.

THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN UTILIZED EVER SINCE IT WAS ORIGINALLY DONATED FOR PUBLIC USE.

NOW, THIS TOWN HAS A SIGNIFICANT DESIGNATION CRITERIA FOR A LOCAL HISTORIC DESIGNATION, AND THAT'S CONTAINED IN SECTION 272438B OF THE TOWN CODE.

IN ORDER TO BE DESIGNATED AS A HISTORIC SITE, THE PROPERTY MUST MEET ONE OR MORE OF THE NINE LISTED IN THE CODE.

STEPH FINDS THAT EIGHT OF THE NINE HISTORIC DESIGNATIONS ARE MET BY THIS BUILDING IN THIS SITE.

FIRST, IF WE CAN BRANCH THEM OUT INTO THREE MAJOR CRITERIA, THERE IS A POLITICAL AND CULTURAL HISTORY THERE.

IT IS THE FIRST PURPOSE-BUILT TOWN HALL AS I MENTIONED,

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THE REPORT THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET, TOUCHES UPON AND SADLY CANNOT TELL THE ENTIRE HISTORY, BUT DOES GIVE YOU A LOT OF THE INFLUENTIAL LEADERS THAT MADE THE DECISIONS OF THE TOWN'S FUTURE.

PART OF THAT INTEREST IS THAT, THAT TOWN HALL, WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT OUR POPULATION WAS A LITTLE OVER 300 PEOPLE AND BY THE TIME THAT THAT TOWN HALL WAS DECOMMISSIONED, WE HAD OVER 9,000 PEOPLE.

IN THAT SPAN, THERE WAS A LOT OF AND VERY IMPORTANT DECISIONS IN OUR ORIGINAL GROWTH PERIOD AFTER WORLD WAR II.

MANY OF THOSE DECISIONS IF I CAN TOUCH UPON SOME OF THEM, THE DRAFTING AND ADOPTION OF OUR TOWN'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN 1967, THE FORMATION OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTIONS OF LOXAHATCHEE RIVER, AND THE CREATION OF AN INLET AQUATIC PRESERVE IN THE '70S.

JUST SOMETHING ELSE WOULD BE THE FORMATION OF THE LOXAHATCHEE RIVER ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROL DISTRICT OR ENCON.

THESE IMPORTANT DECISIONS WERE MADE RIGHT THERE IN THIS LOCATION.

OF COURSE, THOSE INFLUENTIAL LEADERS ARE JUST THE PINNACLE OF WHO ACTUALLY DID WORK THERE.

THERE'S UNNUMBERED AND UNNAMED NUMBER OF STAFF MEMBERS AND RESIDENTS THAT VOLUNTEERED THEIR TIME THERE AND PARTICIPATED IN THE CIVIC PARTICIPATION THERE.

THERE IS GREAT AMOUNT OF POLITICAL AND CULTURAL HISTORY.

THERE IS COMMUNITY AND CIVIC INVOLVEMENT.

WHICH ONE OF THE ISSUES THERE OR ONE OF THE USES THERE IS, IT SERVED AS A PUBLIC LIBRARY AND IT ALSO HOSTS CIVIC EVENTS CURRENTLY AND MEETINGS.

THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE I WANT TO TOUCH UPON THAT, IT IS MASONRY VERNACULAR.

IT WAS BUILT AFTER WORLD WAR II IN 1952 ON A VERY SPARSE BUDGET.

BUT THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE BUILDING, IS A MID-CENTURY MODERN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE AND IT WAS BUILT ACTUALLY REUSING THE MATERIAL OF THE OLD SCHOOL PENNOCK SCHOOL, WHICH I FIND THAT VERY INTERESTING.

IT ALMOST CARRIES THAT HISTORY WITH IT.

I BELIEVE THAT FOR THOSE REASONS IT MEETS THE CRITERIA FOR ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE. MOVING FORWARD.

THERE ARE SOME STAFF CONSIDERATIONS THAT WERE BROUGHT FORWARD IN THIS PROCESS.

WE HAD GONE TO TWO MEETINGS AT HISTORIC RESOURCES BOARD AND SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS CONSIDERATION OF THIS BEING A LOCAL HISTORIC DESIGNATION, SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS ON THIS PROPERTY WOULD THEN POSSIBLY REQUIRE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COA.

COA THAT WE HAVE IN THE CODE, A MATRIX THAT PROVIDES GUIDELINES OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE APPROVED BY THE HISTORIC RESOURCES BOARD AND THOSE THAT CAN BE DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY.

WE HAVE IDENTIFIED SOME FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS BY SPEAKING WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE ANTICIPATED TO REQUIRE A COA, SUCH AS A NEW PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT OR ANY REDESIGN WITH THE PLAYGROUND, IF THE ENTIRE SITE IS TO BE DESIGNATED, WOULD REQUIRE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

THERE IS THE SEMINAL BASIN TO THE WEST WHICH IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE TYPE OF MAINTENANCE OR TYPE OF IMPROVEMENTS DONE, BUT WOULD POSSIBLY REQUIRE COA AS WELL.

THE OLD TOWN HALL BUILDING IN THE PARKING AREA ITSELF, IF WE WERE TO PROVIDE A MORE THAN MAINTENANCE FOR THE SITE, WOULD ALSO AND THE USE OF THE PROPERTY AS STAGING AREAS IN SUPPORT OF UTILITY AND RESTORATION PROJECTS, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

THE DESIGNATION OF THIS STRUCTURE, I'LL QUOTE FROM JOSEPH MANKOWSKI IN THE REPORT, WILL CONTRIBUTE TO THE HISTORIC STABILITY AND THE INTEGRITY OF THE CULTURAL RESOURCE AND THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD THAT COMPRISES OTHER HISTORIC STRUCTURES, WHICH IS IMPORTANT FOR THE PRESERVATION OF TOWN OF JUPITER'S HISTORIC HERITAGE.

ON MAY 15TH, THE HISTORIC RESOURCES BOARD RECOMMENDED THAT THE ENTIRE SITE, RATHER THAN JUST THE BUILDING, BE GIVEN THE DESIGNATION OF LOCAL HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE.

THE STAFF ORIGINALLY BROUGHT FORWARD JUST THE BUILDING BASED ON THEIR RECOMMENDATION ON JULY 17TH.

THE HRB RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE OLD TOWN HALL SITE AND THE BUILDING.

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>> THANK YOU. QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT OR STAFF?

>> I'M IN FAVOR OF THE WHOLE SIDE.

ARE THERE ANY CONS? [NOISE]

>> THE ONLY CON BEING THAT THEY WOULD REQUIRE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR CERTAIN TOWN ACTIONS ON THE REST OF THE PROPERTY AND SO IT WOULD ADD A LEVEL OF A REVIEW THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO.

>> ANY LEVEL OF COST, BALLPARK?

>> IT WOULD BE STAFF COSTS.

>> NOTHING.

>> YEAH. NOTHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY.

>> THAT'S IT.

>> I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROPERTY AND I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE ON THE SITE VERSUS PROPERTY AND WHATEVER THIS COUNCIL DECIDES IT'S NOT ANYTHING I'M TOO CONCERNED ABOUT.

I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS BECAUSE I DID WATCH THE HRB MEETING AND THE OTHER CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IT AND POINT OUT THAT THIS IS TOWN OWNED PROPERTY.

IS THAT RIGHT? THE TOWN OWNS THIS PROPERTY?

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> I KNOW THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT THIS TOWN HALL BUILDING COULD BE MOVED BECAUSE OTHER BUILDINGS HAD BEEN MOVED TO THE ACRE HOUSE OR OTHERS, BUT THAT WAS A PRIVATELY OWNED STRUCTURE, SO I DON'T FORESEE THAT HAPPENING HERE, AND I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T SUPPORT THAT.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE POINTS OF DISCUSSION THAT WAS RAISED.

THE SECOND I WOULD SAY IS, IN THE CRITERIA IN B1 IT SAYS, TO BE QUALIFIED.

THIS IS TYPICALLY AROUND PROPERTIES, INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES, STRUCTURES, SITES, SITES MEANING LIKE ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITES AND BUILDINGS OR GROUPS OF PROPERTIES, STRUCTURES, SITES, BUILDINGS.

IT DOES SAY PROPERTIES.

I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT LANGUAGE A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

THEN MY ONE CONCERN WAS JUST THE DRAINAGE.

I PLAY IN THAT AREA A LOT, THE PLAYGROUND THERE.

IT DOES FLOOD OFTEN.

I'VE SEEN PEOPLE SURF ON THE WATER THERE, WHICH IS INTERESTING, BUT IT DOES HAVE STORM WATER ISSUES.

MY BIGGEST CONCERN MIGHT BE THE STORM WATER CONCERN.

CAN YOU SPEAK MORE TO THE STORM WATER CONCERN AND BEING ABLE TO, THE UTILITY TO GET IN THERE AND DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO MAINTAIN THAT PROPERTY AND PROTECT THE BUILDING OR THE PROPERTY?

>> I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF STORM WATER, BUT APPLYING THE LOCAL HISTORIC DESIGNATION TO THE ENTIRE SITE WOULD POSSIBLY MEAN THAT, AND STAFF WOULD HAVE TO INTERPRET THEIR DESIGNED TO SERVE WHAT THEY'RE TENDING TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY, WHETHER IT WOULD REQUIRE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BEFORE THE BOARD TO PROVIDE STORM WATER IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SITE.

IT DOESN'T MEAN IT CAN'T BE DONE. IT'S STILL CAN BE DONE.

BUT I CAN'T SPEAK FOR STORM WATER WHETHER THERE IS A PROJECT INTENDED FOR THE SITE.

>> STEPHANIE DEBORAH. THERE ISN'T A PROJECT PROPOSED IN THE HOPPER, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS IS PART OF RESILIENCY IN ORDER TO EXPAND THE SEMINOLE BASE AND POTENTIALLY ONTO THE WESTERN SECTIONS, WHICH COULD PROVIDE ADDITIONAL STORM WATER CAPACITY AND WATER QUALITY.

THEY WERE JUST DISCUSSIONS.

IT DOESN'T PROHIBIT THAT IMPROVEMENT FROM HAPPENING.

IT'S JUST ANOTHER LAYER OF A REVIEW.

>> IT'S JUST ANOTHER STAFF. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL.

>> I'M FULLY IN SUPPORT OF THE WHOLE SITE AND THE BUILDING OCCLUDED. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> TWO THINGS. NUMBER 1, AT HALF-STAFF, NEVER TO THINK OR SAY IT'S ONLY STAFF COSTS BECAUSE YOUR TIME IS IMPORTANT TO US AND IT'S NOT FREE.

LECTURE WILL BE TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE VALUE STAFF.

WE DON'T WANT TO JUST BE BRINGING DOWN THEM WITH WORK SAYING THEY'RE SOMEWHAT WRONG, VERY SUPPORTIVE.

I JUST STILL WONDER ABOUT THE WHOLE SITE AND I GET IT PARTICULARLY SINCE THIS IS THE SECOND TIME WE GOT SOMETHING THAT SAYS THE WHOLE SITE.

[01:55:04]

IT CERTAINLY IS THE INTENT TO KEEP THIS AS A PUBLIC PROPERTY.

I HAD NO ISSUE WITH THAT.

I JUST WONDER ABOUT MAYBE STAFF COULD FIND IT A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE IMPLICATIONS BECAUSE IF WE WANTED TO DO OTHER STUFF ON THE SITE, WE'LL DISTANCE FROM THE HISTORIC PIECE.

I JUST HOPE WE'RE NOT BURDENING OURSELVES WITH SOMETHING HERE.

THAT'S MY CONCERN.

YOU SAY ON YOUR STAFF TIME.

I MEAN, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE TO DO SOMETHING FOR LIKE THE DRAINAGE OR WHATEVER, THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN SOMETHING HISTORIC, ARCHAEOLOGICAL, SOME PARTS OF IT.

I'M JUST STRUGGLING WITH THAT.

CAN YOU GIVE ME SOME BETTER RATIONALE ABOUT THAT?

>> THERE ARE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS MATRIX THAT WE USE.

IT'S NOT IN THE CODE, BUT IT'S IT'S REFERENCED IN THE CODE PREDOMINANTLY COVERS BUILDINGS.

IT TYPICALLY ADDRESSES CHANGES, NEW ROOFS, WINDOWS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT NEW CONSTRUCTION IS JUST ONE LITTLE TOPIC, AND I WOULD PROBABLY INTERPRET THAT AN ADDITIONAL AREA FOR STORM WATER WOULD BE NEW CONSTRUCTION, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE WHICH WOULD MOST LIKELY DEPENDING UPON THE SIZE AND THE IMPACT OF IS A DRAINAGE DITCH, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT IT, BUT IF IT'S INCREASING THE POND, IT MOST LIKELY WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE HISTORIC RESOURCES BOARD, WHICH THEN IS A PROCESS GOES THROUGH A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT SITE PLAN TO DETERMINE BASED ON OUR CODE IF IT COMES THROUGH THIS BOARD AS WELL.

>> THIS EXAMPLE, THE PLAYGROUND.

EVERY DECADE OR SO MANY YEARS YOU HAVE TO REPLACE A PLAYGROUND.

>> THE PLAYGROUND, BECAUSE IT'S A STRUCTURE OF BUILDING OR SOMETHING THAT COMES OUT OF THE GROUND, WE COULD LOOK AT IT.

IT IS MORE AKIN TO WHAT IS ALREADY ON THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

WE'VE ALREADY HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PARKS AND RECREATION ABOUT INCORPORATING HISTORIC THEMES, SCHOOL HOUSE THEME, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT INTO THE PLAYGROUND.

IF IT HAS CERTAIN COLORS, WE WOULD HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT.

DEPENDING UPON THE SIZE AND THE SCOPE OF THE WORK, WE'LL DEPEND ON WHETHER OR NOT IT GOES TO THE HRB.

BUT IF WE'RE DOING A WHOLESALE REPLACEMENT, IT'LL GO TO THE HISTORIC RESOURCES BOARD.

IF WE'RE DOING LITTLE THINGS, MAINTENANCE AND STUFF LIKE THAT, IT WILL BE STAFF APPROVAL.

>> MAYOR, IF I COULD. JUST TO ADD TO THAT, I ASKED THEM THIS PRESENTATION WHEN PLANNING AND ZONING WAS PRESENTING THAT THEY BRING FORWARD THE ISSUES THAT WERE EXPRESSED BY THE VARIOUS DIRECTORS WITHIN THE TOWN STAFF SO WHEN YOU'RE HEARING THIS CONVERSATION, THESE ARE CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT FORWARD BY THE DIRECTORS RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE AREAS. IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

>> THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT US.

>> YES. IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE THAT SHE HAD.

>> YEAH. JUST MAKE SURE IT SINKS INTO US.

>> YEAH AND SO IF YOU COULD.

AS YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE ANTICIPATED TO REQUIRE COA, THESE ITEMS CAME AS A RESULT OF THE DIRECTORS EXPRESSING CONCERN AS IT RELATES TO THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.

>> WELL, THE THIRD BULLET, WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH THAT THE OLD TOWN HALL BUILDING AND PARKING AREA.

I GET IT ON THE PLAYGROUND AND THOSE CONCERNS.

TOUGH ENOUGH TO GET A PLAYGROUND BUILT-IN THROUGH THE REGULAR PROCESS TO ADD MORE STEPS INTO THAT.

>> BUT I DO WANT TO ADD THAT THIS IS A VERY SPECIAL PLAYGROUND TO THE TOWN OF JUPITER AND THIS LOCATION, I REMEMBER EVERYONE KNOWS THAT.

BUT BECAUSE OF ITS TIE TO THE OLD TOWN HALL, I ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND SOME OF WHAT WAS EXPRESSED.

I KNOW THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC INPUT AND THAT IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVER, FOR THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR.

MY CONCERN IS LESS WITH THE PLAYGROUND AND MORE WITH THE STORMWATER BECAUSE WE HAVE HURRICANES,

[02:00:03]

I'VE SEEN FIRSTHAND THE FLOODING OF THAT AREA.

I DO HAVE CONCERNS FOR THE BUILDING STRUCTURES AND PROPERTIES IN THAT AREA AND I DON'T WANT TO GET IN THE WAY OF OUR STAFF BEING ABLE TO RESPOND TO THOSE TYPES OF CONCERNS.

SO VIA A STAGING AREA FOR PROJECTS OR FOR THE SEMINOLE BASIN.

>> I DO BELIEVE, COUNCIL, WE DO HAVE ONE OR TWO STORM WATER PROJECTS.

THEY ARE IN THE PLANNING PROCESS.

>> THEY'RE THERE RIGHT NOW AND I SEE THEM.

>> [BACKGROUND].

>> WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT UP HERE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.

THAT'S ALL JUPITER TOPOGRAPHY, IT'S LOW.

YOU JUST WANT TO GO JUST THE BUILDING OR? WE OWN THE PROPERTY, SO IT'S NOT ALWAYS A FAVORITE TOWN, KEEP TOWN PROPERTY SO I CAN GO ANYWHERE.

>> I THINK SO FOR STORMWATER REASONS.

THAT'LL BE MY PRIMARY REASON.

BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT STAFF UNDERSTAND THAT WE DO WANT PUBLIC INPUT ON THAT PLAYGROUND, THAT IT IS DIFFERENT, THAT WE WANT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD INPUT.

I REALLY WANT TO OPERATE DIFFERENTLY WITH REGARDS TO THAT.

>> WELL, I THINK WE WANT TO BRING OUR ATTENTION IN THE STAFF REPORT HERE TO RESOLUTION 4923, WHICH IS WHAT WE'D BE ACTING ON TONIGHT.

IT'S RIGHT BEHIND THE STAFF REPORT.

WE'RE GOING TO MAKE ANY CHANGES IN THAT, IT WOULD BE IN SECTION 1, 2, 3 AND 4.

THE STAFF HAVE ANY SUGGESTED LANGUAGE HERE?

>> OUR RECOGNITION THAT THE MATRIX THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE HRB FOR WHAT ITEMS ARE ADMINISTRATIVE AND ONE ARE DONE BY THE HRB FOR CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS, SHOULD BE UPDATED TO DEAL WITH PROPERTIES MORE THAN JUST BUILDINGS AND MAYBE TO PUT A LITTLE BIT OF MORE DETAIL AS IT RELATES TO NEW CONSTRUCTION.

HEARING SOME OF YOUR COMMENTS, I KNOW THAT MS. THURBORNE WAS INTENDING TO BRING UP THAT ISSUE WITH THE HRB.

THERE COULD BE SOME MORE CLARITY AND DEFINITION OF WHAT CAN BE DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY AND WHAT CAN BE DONE BY THE BOARD IN THAT RESPECT.

>> IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL ACTUALLY DECIDES? WE TAKE A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE BOARD BUT WE DO IT IN OUR CODE?

>> NOT FOR THAT. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT, WE CAN CERTAINLY BRING IT BACK.

IT'S A REFERENCE DOCUMENT FROM THE CODE AND IT WAS INITIALLY APPROVED BY THE HRB.

BUT IF THE COUNCIL WOULD WANT TO SEE THAT AFTER HEARING A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE BOARD, WE'D BE HAPPY TO BRING THAT BACK TO YOU.

>> WELL, I THOUGHT YOU WERE STARTING TO SUGGEST THAT THAT COULD BE THE WAY WE INCLUDE OUR POLICY GUIDANCE.

I THINK THAT'D BE APPROPRIATE IN THIS CASE.

>> YES, WE CAN DO THAT.

>> ALSO TO CLARIFY, COULD WE THEN MANAGE THE WHOLE PROPERTY, BUT WITH THE CONDITION OR DIRECTION TO STAFF TO AMEND THAT MATRIX TO ALLOW FOR STORMWATER USES TO BE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED?

>> I THINK THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE ACTION FROM THE RESOLUTION THAT'S BEFORE YOU.

IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE PROPERTY GOING FORWARD, YOU COULD ADOPT THE RESOLUTION AS IS, AND THEN GIVE STAFF DIRECTION TO WORK WITH THE HRB TO UPDATE THE MATRIX OR THE CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS ON WHAT ITEMS ARE INCLUDED IN IT AND WHAT ARE SUBJECT TO STAFF REVIEW OR THE HRB.

>> I JUST WANT TO NOTE, WE DID A LOT OF RESEARCH ON THIS PROPERTY.

WE DIDN'T FIND ANYTHING THAT WAS SIGNIFICANT HISTORICALLY ON THE WEST SIDE OF THAT PROPERTY.

WE FOUND THAT THERE WAS A SCHOOL AND THE BUILDING, THE TOWN HALL.

BUT IF YOU GO OUT IN THERE ON THE SITE TODAY, THERE'S A FENCE BETWEEN THE PLAYGROUND.

THIS IS OUR STAFF INITIATED PROJECTS.

IF YOU WANT US TO GO BACK AND RESEARCH IT AND COME BACK AND BRING THIS BACK TO YOU AGAIN, WE CAN DO THAT, BECAUSE IT ALSO COVERS THE OTHER PART OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO IN TERMS OF NATURAL RESOURCES AND WORKING WITH STORMWATER.

I'VE BEEN OUT THERE. I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THERE IS SOME FLOODING OUT THERE.

L'D ALSO LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH THE NEW DIRECTOR OF UTILITIES ABOUT IT AND WHAT PLANS THEY HAVE.

[02:05:05]

>> ARE YOU SUGGESTING WE CONTINUE THIS AS AN OPTION DOUBLE USE?

>> YES, I WOULD BECAUSE L WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MORE ANSWERS FOR YOU SPECIFICALLY.

>> WE APPRECIATE THAT. THERE'S NO DOUBT WE'RE UNANIMOUS WANTING TO PROCEED.

WE OWN THIS, THERE'S NO WIDTH TO IT.

>> WE'RE NOT TEARING IT DOWN.

THERE'S NO RISK. IT'S NOT IMPERIAL.

>> NOT MOVING IT.

>> WE'RE NOT MOVING IT.

WE CAN BRING IT BACK TO YOU WHEN WE HAVE THE ANSWER.

>> THAT SOUNDS EXCELLENT.

I THINK IF WE CAN CLARIFY THE STORMWATER CONCERNS, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

>> THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR, L WANT TO SAY WE HAVE SEVERAL CITIZEN COMMENTS FOR THIS ITEM.

>> SURE.

>> FIRST IS SUSAN BRANDT.

AFTER SUSAN, IT WILL BE QIA COLA.

>> HELLO COUNCIL. MY NAME IS SUSAN BRANDT.

I LIVE AT 148 FLORIDA AVENUE, RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE PARK AND MY FATHER WILBUR BRANDT, WAS THE HEAD OF THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT FOR 22 YEARS FOR THE TOWN OF JUPITER, AND HE STARTED IN THAT BUILDING.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE WHOLE PARK REMAIN AS IT IS AS FAR AS THE OLD GROWTH TREES.

THE PARK IS FINE, JUST TO HAVE SOME DESIGNATIONS THAT THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL HISTORIC SITE.

WE DO HAVE A RETENTION POND THAT IS PART OF WHAT IS CALLED, I GUESS THE PENTATEUCH, WHATEVER THAT IS, THAT HAS BEEN DREDGED TWICE IN 33 YEARS THAT I'VE LIVED THERE IN NOT SENSE, SO THE SAND IS ACTUALLY SHOWING AT ANYTIME ALMOST WHEN IT'S EVEN FULL.

THAT NEEDS TO BE DREDGED.

IF THAT WERE DREDGING, YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT YOU'RE FLOODING SO MUCH.

BUT ANYWAY, I WOULD PLEASE LIKE IT TO STAY AS IT IS.

IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT CHILDREN HAVE A PLAYGROUND WHERE THEY HAVE PLENTY OF TREES AND THE AREA IS ONE OF THE PRISTINE SMALL PIECES OF PROPERTY IN THE TOWN THAT NEEDS TO BE LEFT AS IS AND NOT BUILT UPON, NOT BEING USED AS A STAGING AREA FOR INDIAN TOWN ROAD NORTH TO DO ALL OF THIS MUNICIPAL WORK.

WE HAVE TRACTORS COMING UP AND DOWN EVERY SINGLE DAY.

[NOISE] EVERY SINGLE NIGHT, SOMETIMES 3:00 IN THE MORNING WHEN THEY FIRST STARTED A YEAR AGO, JULY UNTIL WE COMPLAINED ABOUT THAT, DIRT ON THE ROADS THAT WE HAVE TO PULL INTO OUR DRIVEWAYS TO BRING IT IN AND IT'S NOT FEASIBLE TO USE THAT AS A CONSTRUCTION SITE TO SET UP THINGS FOR THE TOWN OF JUPITER.

I'M SO MUCH AGAINST THAT BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THAT FOR A YEAR AND TWO MONTHS AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU HAVE EVER HAD TO DEAL WITH OVER THE TOP AREAS OF DIRT THAT IS BLOWING OVER TO YOUR HOUSE EVERY DAY FOR THE PAST YEAR AND HAVING TO CLEAN OFF YOUR FRONT FURNITURE, YOUR DRIVEWAY, EVERYTHING ELSE.

WE'VE BEEN VERY QUIET BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THE TEAM NEEDS INFRASTRUCTURE AND YOU NEED IRRIGATION AND FOR STORMWATER AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND WE APPLAUD YOU FOR THAT.

WE APPLAUD YOU FOR GETTING NEW PUMPS PUT IN THE PUMP FOR THE RETENTION POND, AND ALSO ADDING THE NEW OVERFLOW AREAS THAT YOU'VE DONE.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT AND I KNOW THE WHOLE TOWN DOES.

BUT THERE IS A LIMIT TO WHAT YOU SHOULD DO WITH THIS PARK.

DO NOT LET IT BE A CONSTRUCTION SITE AREA FOR THE TOWN TO USE, TO PUT ALL THEIR CONSTRUCTION IN AND DO NOT TAKE AWAY FROM THE BEAUTIFUL SIGNINGS AND FUN PARK FOR CHILDREN AND JUST THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE AVAILABILITY TO GO THERE AND ALSO THE BUILDING IS GREAT.

IT'S JUST AN OLD TIME BUILDING THAT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS SUPPOSED TO LOOK BACK IN THE '50S AND '60S.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR THOUGHTS ON IT.

BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> QIA COLA AND THEN BRETT LEONI.

>> HELLO COUNCIL. MY NAME IS CARLTON TASSEL.

MY FIANCE QIA, MADE IT HERE BEFORE ME, SO SHE PUT THE SHEET IN, BUT I'M JUST SPEAKING ON HER BEHALF, I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN JUPITER.

I'M 31 YEARS OLD.

I GREW UP GOING TO THAT PARK.

I HAVE A LOT OF VERY FOND MEMORIES THERE.

EVEN NOW, I BRING MY NIECE AND NEPHEW THERE WHEN THEY'RE IN TOWN.

IT'S A WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE.

I COULDN'T AGREE WITH SUE MORE IN REGARD TO NOT ONLY HAVING THE PARK BE A SPECIAL PLACE, BUT ALSO JUST THE AREA BEHIND IT THAT IT'S JUST NATURE, TREES, A PLACE FOR KIDS TO RUN AROUND, A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO GO AND HAVE A PICNIC.

IT'S AN AREA OF QUIETUDE, WHICH IS VERY HARD TO FIND NOWADAYS IN JUPITER.

WE'RE SEEING ANOTHER SPACE OF GREEN BEING DEVELOPED WITH THE FISHERMAN'S WHARF PROJECT.

JUST AS EASY AS IT IS TO GET JADED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF

[02:10:06]

I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS.

THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL.

FOR THE RECORD, BRENT LEONI, 132 BARBADOS DRIVE.

HERE BEFORE YOU ALL, FINALLY, ON A NIGHT THAT I THOUGHT YOU ALL WOULD DO A GREAT SERVICE BUT YET AGAIN, ANOTHER ITEM GETTING KICKED DOWN THE ROAD FOR SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WHERE THIS, IN MY OPINION, IS A SLAM DUNK.

SINCE OCTOBER OF 2020, AS A MEMBER OF THE HISTORIC RESOURCES BOARD, I PUSHED TO MOVE UP THE LOCAL DESIGNATION OF THIS PROPERTY TO THE TOP OF THAT LIST.

I THINK IT'S SOMEWHERE IN THREE OR FOUR FOR MANY YEARS.

THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS I'M DOING THAT, AND ONE OF THE REASONS AND CONCERNS WAS THE STORM WATER IMPROVEMENT.

AS SOME OF THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS MENTIONED, AND STEPHANIE ALLUDED TO AS WELL, THERE'S PORTIONS OF THE SITE THAT AREN'T AS HISTORIC AND I THINK GETTING HUNG UP ON THIS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OF AREAS WHERE WE KNOW THAT THERE'S NO ARTIFACTS BURIED, THERE'S NO PEOPLE BURIED.

STEPHANIE DID A GREAT JOB SHOWING ON THE SLIDE WHERE THE OLD HISTORIC SCHOOL HOUSE WAS, THE FOOTPRINT OF THE EXISTING BUILDING.

WE CAN SEE THE IMPACTED AREAS.

AND SO TO GET HUNG UP ON APPROXIMATELY HALF OF THE SITE TO DO ANY FUTURE STORMWATER, I THINK CAN GET HANDLED AT YOUR STAFF LEVEL.

YOU HAVE A VERY COMPETENT STAFF, THEY'VE GONE AT GREAT LENGTHS TO PROTECT AND PRESERVE A LOT OF HISTORIC SITES IN THIS TOWN.

AND I THINK QUESTIONING THEM ON THE ABILITY TO DO CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR ANY STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS IS A REAL DISSERVICE TO WHAT THEY DO TO OUR TOWN.

MANY OTHER CITIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY HAVE HISTORIC SITES THAT HAVE TO GET UPGRADED OVER TIME, THEY GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, IT'S NOT NEW.

WE'VE GONE THROUGH IT, I'VE BEEN PART OF IT WITH THE SIMMS HOUSE AND I'VE SEEN OTHER PROPERTIES HAVE TO GO THROUGH CERTIFICATES APPROPRIATENESS AS WELL.

THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT IS NOT HISTORIC.

JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR ANY POTENTIALLY HISTORIC SITE, IF YOU PULL IT UP AND YOU FIND AN ARTIFACT, YOU GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.

AGAIN, I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT DIFFICULT.

AS FAR AS FUTURE ENHANCEMENTS TO THE SITE, HONORING THE SCHOOLHOUSE THAT WAS THERE SOMEHOW DESIGNATING OR IDENTIFYING WHERE IT WAS, I THINK INTERPRETIVE PLAQUES AND MARKERS TO TELL THE STORY OF THAT.

AS IT WAS MENTIONED TONIGHT, A LOT OF IMPORTANT EVENTS HAPPENED THERE AND A LOT OF IMPORTANT PEOPLE WORKED OUT OF THAT BUILDING.

THE TOWN OF JUPITER WOULDN'T BE WHAT IT IS TODAY AS A BEACON IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA IN OUR COUNTRY, IF IT WASN'T FOR SOME OF THE ITEMS AND PEOPLE THAT WORKED IN AND WERE APPROVED IN THIS BUILDING.

SO I HOPE YOU ALL TAKE IT UP AND DON'T KICK IT DOWN THE ROAD TO ANOTHER MEETING, IT'S BEEN A LONG PROCESS.

I KNOW STAFF HAS WORKED VERY HARD ON GETTING YOU ALL THIS INFORMATION AND I HOPE THAT YOU ALL WILL VOTE TO APPROVE IT TONIGHT. THANK YOU.

>> BACK TO COUNCIL. I'M NOT SURE WHAT PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE THOUGHT THEY HEARD US COMMON APPEAR, BUT I KEEP PUTTING IN ANIMUS ABOUT WANTING TO PRESERVE THE SITE HISTORIC.

WE HAVE NO PLANS TO DO SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT ON IT.

WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S A PROCESS GOING FORWARD THAT'S PRACTICAL.

I THINK STAFF ACTUALLY RECOMMENDED TO US.

IT SEEMED LIKE IT COULD COME BACK AS A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

I DON'T THINK WE'RE ASKING STAFF DO ANYMORE THAN THEY IN FACT SEEM TO THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS CAN BE HANDLED AT THEIR LEVEL FOR THOSE ITEMS. I THINK WE CAN HAVE ANY MORE COMMENTS OR CAN ADD A MOTION.

>> I AGREE THERE WERE A LOT OF MOVING PARTS THAT WE PROBABLY SHOULDN'T DO IT UP OUR TIME TO VET TONIGHT THAT STAFF CAN HANDLE AND BRING IT BACK ON CONSENT AND PUSH IT THROUGH.

>> IT WON'T BE MUCH TIME AND I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE COUNCIL HAS SO MANY ITEMS TO ADDRESS, NOT JUST HISTORIC, BUT THESE STORMWATER AND ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.

I'D LIKE TO JUST MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON IT ALL. THANK YOU.

[02:15:01]

>> I GUESS IT'D BE A MOTION TO HAVE STAFF TO CONTINUE UNTIL STAFF COMES BACK WITH THE INFORMATION, PUTTING IT ON A CONSENT AGENDA.

>> THE MOTION WILL CONTINUE.

>> SECOND.

>> MOTION AND SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>> AYE.

>> AYE.

>> MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY, FOUR ZERO.

MOVING ON TO RESOLUTION 6,223,

[15. Resolution 62-23, Roger Dean Chevrolet Stadium Renovation Designation – Quasi-Judicial – Site plan amendment to renovate the existing spring training facility, construct new team clubhouses, and construct new temporary facilities during construction, on a 90± acre property, located at 4355 Stadium Drive.]

THIS IS QUASI JUDICIAL.

DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY EX PARTE DISCLOSURES?

>> YES. I MET WITH GEORGE GENTEEL AND MIKE BOWER A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO IN GEORGE'S OFFICE.

>> I ALSO MET WITH THE APPLICANT AT GEORGE'S OFFICE.

>> I HAD A PHONE CALL WITH GEORGE GENTEEL AND MIKE BOWER THIS AFTERNOON.

>> I SPOKE WITH STAFF.

>> OKAY. I HAD NONE BECAUSE THIS IS A PRETTY CLEAN PROJECT HERE.

WITH THAT, I'D ASK [OVERLAPPING]

>> FULL SCREEN.

>> YEAH.

>> I'D ASK THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE APPLICANT AND STAFF WHO ARE GOING TO BE GIVEN TESTIMONY AS EXPERT WITNESSES TO STAND UP AND BE SWORN IN.

>> DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE IN THIS HEARING IS THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?

>> YES, I DO.

>> WHAT'S THREE DOTS UP THERE?

>> HERE FOR COUNCIL MEMBER GEORGES.

>> I UNDERSTAND.

>> THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. GREAT. PLAY BALL.

WE'RE READY TO GO. THANK YOU.

FOR THE RECORD, GEORGE GENTEEL, AND I'M HERE TONIGHT REPRESENTING ROGER DEAN CHEVROLET STADIUM SPORTS COMPLEX.

I DO HAVE WITH ME MR. TONY BESSALI FROM THE MIAMI MARLINS, WHICH WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE HIM HERE.

THAT OTHER BOWER GUY, MIKE BOWER, WHO WAS THE GENERAL MANAGER, AND I HAVE NOT RELATED TO MIKE, KURT BOWER AND SEAN JOHNSON FROM FULLY BRIAN ARCHITECTS WHO ARE ALL HERE TOO, AND OF COURSE MY FIRM IS TGH0 AND I THINK THAT YOU ALL KNOW.

WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH OUR PRESENTATION.

WE DO HAVE A FLY OVER.

IF YOU NEED TO ASK QUESTIONS, WE CAN ZOOM IN.

KURT WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT. WE'LL GO AHEAD.

WE ALL KNOW WHERE THE SITE LOCATION IS.

YOU CAN SEE THAT IT IS WEST OF THE CENTRAL BOULEVARD CORRIDOR WHERE YOU HAVE THE ROUNDABOUTS.

IT'S ABOUT 90 ACRES.

IT'S AN ICON HERE IN JUPITER, AND ALSO ONE OF THE MAJOR EVENT AREAS FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY, WHICH IS GREAT TO HAVE HERE.

THE STADIUM WAS STARTED IN 1997.

IT'S A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE TOWN OF JUPITER, PALM BEACH COUNTY THEN TEAMS AND THEIR ORGANIZATION.

WE'VE HAD A GREAT RUN SINCE WE'VE BUILT THE STADIUM.

IT'S BEEN A PHENOMENAL ADVANTAGEOUS TO BE HERE IN THE TOWN OF JUPITER.

THEY'VE HAD SEVERAL MINOR AMENDMENTS THROUGH THE YEARS.

JUST RETAIL STORAGE, VIP SEATING, WE DID A BATTING TUNNEL, WHICH WAS OUR LAST RENOVATION.

THEN TODAY THIS IS THE FIRST MAJOR RENOVATION SINCE THE INITIAL CONSTRUCTION OF THE STADIUM.

WE PRESENTED THIS TO THE ABACOA POA, AND WE WERE PROVIDED WITH THE UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL FROM THE POA TO SEND THAT OVER TO THE TOWN.

AS I SAID, THIS IS 90 ACRES.

IT'S IN THE ABACOA MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S A MIXED USE RECREATION AND A SUBDISTRICT.

AND, OF COURSE, HOUSES OUR SPRING TRAINING AND SEVERAL OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT WE HAVE THROUGH THE YEAR THAT BENEFIT THE TOWN AND ITS RESIDENCE.

THE SCHEDULE IMPROVEMENTS ARE GOING TO INCLUDE THE STADIUM IMPROVEMENTS THEMSELVES.

WE ARE DOING AN ART IN PUBLIC PLACES COMPONENT WITH PALM BEACH COUNTY, WHICH IS A MAJOR EMPHASIS OF THEIR ACTIVITIES ON THEIR PROJECTS.

WE'LL BE DOING A NEW MAINTENANCE STORAGE BUILDING.

OF COURSE, THE MARLINS CLUBHOUSE WILL BE NEW.

THE MARLINS, THEY'LL HAVE A NEW BATTING TUNNEL, WHICH YOU'LL SEE IN A MINUTE.

THE CARDINALS WILL HAVE A NEW STATE-OF-THE-ART CLUBHOUSE AND THE CARDINALS WILL ALSO HAVE ANOTHER STATE-OF-THE-ART AND THEIR OWN BATTING TUNNEL FOR THEIR TRAINING HERE AT THE ROGER DEAN CHEVROLET STADIUM.

YOU CAN'T SEE THE SITE PLAN TOO WELL, SO WE'RE GONNA GET INTO A LOT OF IT.

[02:20:02]

I DO WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS THAT WE DO MEET ALL AND SEE MOST OF THE CODES THAT YOU HAVE IN THE MIXED-USE DISTRICT.

WE ARE MEETING THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

ACTUALLY, WE'RE ADDING ABOUT ANOTHER 27 SPACES TO THE STADIUM.

WE'RE ALSO REDUCING THE SEATING FOR THE STADIUM, WHICH YOU'LL SEE WHY WE'RE DOING THAT FOR ANOTHER FAN-ENHANCED AREA ON THE PROJECT.

THIS IS JUST A SLIDE JUST SHOWING THE STATISTICS OF THE NET CHANGES.

THE CLUBHOUSES, OF COURSE, ARE ALMOST DOUBLING IN SIZE TO MEET ALL OF THE TRAINING NEEDS THAT THESE TEAMS NEED, VERY SIMILAR TO THE OTHER TRAINING FACILITIES THAT ARE NEW OR UPDATED THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND ELSEWHERE.

THE BATTING TUNNELS, WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE ABOUT 17,000 SQUARE FEET.

THE MAINTENANCE BUILDINGS, THEY'RE GOING TO BE ADDING ABOUT 6900 SQUARE FEET.

NO CHANGES IN THE STORAGE BUILDINGS AND, AS I SAID, WE'RE GOING TO BE REDUCING THE SEATING BY ABOUT 437 SEATS.

AND YOU'LL SEE IN A MINUTE WHERE THAT IS.

THIS IS THE RENDERING LOCATION OF ALL THE ENHANCEMENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING AROUND THE STADIUM.

THERE IS A MODIFICATION BEING DONE TO THE STORE, WHICH YOU'LL BE BRINGING IT OUT TO UNIVERSITY SO THAT IT WILL HAVE AN ABILITY TO HAVE PUBLIC ACCESS TO IT AFTER SEASON SO THAT THOSE OF US WHO WANT TO BUY EXTRA BASEBALL HATS, I HAVE TO SAY, BOTH MARLIN'S AND THE CARDINALS, YOU CAN GET THEM THERE AT ANY TIME YOU NEED TO, AND SO WE'RE GLAD OF THAT.

THE COLOR OF MATERIALS, YOU HAVE THOSE AND I'M GOING TO LET KIRK GO OVER MOST OF THIS AS HE WILL INDICATE TO YOU WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THOSE HISTORIC ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT, AS WELL AS THE NEW COMPONENTS OF IT.

SO HERE HE IS RIGHT HERE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO GO BACK TO THIS MAIN AERIAL RENDERING OF THE OVERALL SITE.

THERE'S TWO OR THREE REALLY IMPORTANT COMPONENTS OF THIS FACILITY, ESPECIALLY WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE PLANNING HERE.

FIRST-OFF, FROM THE PUBLIC-FACING SIDE OF IT, IT IS IMPROVING THE FAN EXPERIENCE, IMPROVING THE OPERATIONS, THE SAFETY, AND REALLY JUST AMPLIFYING AND ENHANCING AND MODIFYING THE EXISTING STADIUM THAT REALLY HASN'T HAD A MAJOR RENOVATION IN 20 YEARS.

SO THERE'S A FAN SIDE AND THE PUBLIC INTERFACING SIDE, INTEGRATING ART WITH PUBLIC PLACES.

TO GEORGE'S POINT, WE'VE GOT A NEW TEAM STORE THAT'S PLANNED FOR UPGRADING SOME OF THE SUITES AND THE PRESS AREAS.

THE BIGGEST COMPONENT IN TERMS OF THE FAN EXPERIENCE ON THIS PROJECT IS ON THE THIRD BASE SIDE, WHERE WE'RE TAKING OUT THE STANDARD ALUMINUM BLEACHER SEATING THAT YOU ROAST IN THE SUN.

WE'RE TAKING THAT OUT AND WE'RE CREATING A MORE HIGHER-END FAN EXPERIENCE WHERE IT'S GOT A DRINK RAIL IN FRONT OF YOU.

YOU HAVE YOUR OWN INDEPENDENT SEAT, A PLACE TO PUT YOUR PEANUTS AND YOUR BEVERAGE.

YOU'RE UNDER SHADE AND YOU'RE ABLE TO ENJOY THE GAME THERE.

YOU'RE ALSO SAFE WITH NEW PROTECTIVE NETTING.

SO THAT'S REALLY ON THE FAN IMPROVEMENT SIDE.

THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ARE PLANNED WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS OF THE FACILITY.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'VE HAD TO MANAGE WHAT ARE CALLED THE PDL REQUIREMENTS, MLB PLAYER DEVELOPMENT LEAGUE REQUIREMENTS FOR FACILITIES.

WE HAD TO IMPROVE THE MALE AND FEMALE UMPIRE LOCKER ROOMS, THE VISITOR LOCKER ROOMS, AND THEN ALSO IMPROVEMENTS TO THE HOME CLUBHOUSES.

SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN EVERY SPRING TRAINING FACILITY, WHETHER IT'S HERE IN FLORIDA OR OUT IN THE CACTUS LEAGUE IN ARIZONA.

AS WE GO FURTHER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SPRING TRAINING FACILITIES, THE IMPORTANCE OF THEM TO THE TEAMS IS PLAYER DEVELOPMENT.

THE MORE IMPROVEMENT AND DEVELOPMENT THEY GET OUT OF THE PLAYERS FROM THESE TRAINING FACILITIES, THE BETTER CHANCE THEY HAVE WINNING MORE GAMES, MORE FANS, MORE REVENUE.

IT ALL KIND OF WORKS TOGETHER IN TERMS OF THAT SIDE FOR IMPROVING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PLAYERS.

SO THEN WE ADD THE NEXT LAYER OF TWIST TO THIS, WHICH I THINK WE'LL GET INTO IN REGARDS TO THE EXTERIOR.

SO GEORGE, I'M GOING THE WRONG WAY.

I GOT THIS. WORKING WITH THE TOWN COUNCIL, THINKING ABOUT WHAT THE NEW IMAGE OF THE STADIUM IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE, AND HOW THAT HAS COHESION AND CONNECTIVITY TO THE NEW CLUBHOUSES THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO BUILD.

WE'VE GOT SOME REALLY GOOD INPUT FROM TOWN STAFF IN REGARDS TO, OKAY, THE GREEN ROOFS DOESN'T REALLY MATCH THE CONTEXT NOW, THE EXISTING PAINT COLOR DOESN'T QUITE MATCH THE CONTEXT NOW.

WHAT WE DID IN THESE RENDERINGS IS COME UP WITH THE VISION OF WHAT THIS WILL LOOK LIKE IN TIME WHEN THE PAINT NEEDS TO BE REDONE,

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AND THEN ALSO WHEN THE EXISTING STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF NEEDS TO BE REPLACED, WHEN THAT REACHES ITS END OF LIFE, IT SHOULD BE REPLACED WITH A METAL ROOF THAT MATCHES THE ABACOA PROPER, WHICH IS MORE OF THE GALVALUME ALUMINUM PANELING FINISH.

SO IT WON'T BE THAT FULL GREEN THAT YOU SEE THERE TODAY.

WE'RE CHANGING AND UPDATING THE MATERIAL PALETTE SO IT BLENDS MORE WITH THE CLUBHOUSES.

AND AS WE GO FURTHER, THESE RENDERINGS JUST SHOW WHAT THAT FUTURE IMAGE IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE THERE.

AND THEN WE TOOK THAT IMAGE AND WORKED WITH THAT IN TERMS OF WHAT OUR NEW TEAMS STORE ADDITION IS GOING TO BE, LOTS OF NATURAL LIGHT, GLASS TO THE EXTERIOR SO PEOPLE CAN SEE IT, THE PUBLIC FACE WILL BE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING.

AND I THINK THE MOST EXCITING AND CHALLENGING PART OF THIS PROJECT GOT FURTHER BACK.

I WILL GET TO THE CLUBHOUSE INCLUSION HERE.

ONE OF THE THINGS FOR THE PDL AND THE PLAYER SAFETY SIDE, WE DID HAVE TO MOVE THE BULLPEN OFF THE SKINS OF THE FIELD, GET THE PLAYER SAFE.

WE'RE RECONFIGURING THE OUTFIELD WALL, GETTING THEM IN A SAFER PLACE FOR THEM TO WARM UP AND PRACTICE.

THESE VIEWS HERE ARE SHOWING SOME OF THE STADIUM IMPROVEMENTS.

THE IMAGE THAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS THAT UPGRADED THIRD BASE SEATING FAN EXPERIENCE AREA.

THAT'S THE SEATING AREA PROPER WITH THE DRINK RAILS IN FRONT OF YOU.

AND THEN AS WE GET CLOSER BEHIND THAT, THERE'S A COVERED BAR AREA, AND REALLY KIND OF A COMMUNAL GATHERING ZONE WITH THOSE LARGER TABLES FOR GROUP GATHERINGS, ALMOST LIKE A BEER GARDEN IN SOME INSTANCES.

AND THIS IS WHERE THE CHALLENGING AND INTERESTING PART OF THIS PROJECT BECAME, WHICH WAS KIND OF PAYING HOMAGE TO THE HISTORY OF THE STADIUM ITSELF AS AN ICON TO THIS COMMUNITY.

AND HOW DO WE BRING IN SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS THAT ARE THERE WORKING IN THE TOWN STAFF USING THAT RED SPLIT FACE BLOCK.

SOME OF THE ARCHES AND PROPORTIONS FROM THE EXISTING STADIUM.

HOW DO WE INCORPORATE THAT WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A MODERN AESTHETIC THAT ALSO FITS MORE CLOSELY TO THE ABACOA PATTERN BOOK AND THE CURRENT AESTHETIC THAT YOU SEE AN ABACOA PROPER AROUND THE STADIUM.

SO AS YOU SEE HERE, THIS IS THE ENTRY VIEW TO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THE ST. LOUIS CARDINALS CLUBHOUSE.

AND AS WE GO AROUND, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK BATTING TUNNELS.

THEY'RE A MACHINE FOR PRACTICING, BUT, AT THE SAME POINT, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC FACING COMPONENT OF THAT HAS MATERIALS AND COLORS THAT ARE COHESIVE WITH THE REST OF THE PROJECT AND THE COMMUNITY AND THE SURROUNDINGS.

THIS RENDERING THAT YOU SEE HERE, AGAIN, WAS THAT CHALLENGE OF HOW DO WE BRING THAT RED SPLIT FACE BLOCK AND THE MATERIAL ACCENTS FROM THE STADIUM, THE ARCHWAYS.

THESE ELEMENTS, THE ARCHES, THEY'LL BE SEEN FROM THE STADIUM PROPER WHEN YOU'RE IN THE SEATING BOWL.

THIS VIEW OF THE MARLINS CLUBHOUSE, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE AS YOU'RE DRIVING BY, SEEING IT THROUGH A GATE.

AGAIN, HERE, ANOTHER BATTING TUNNEL FOR THE MARLINS ON THEIR SIDE, AGAIN, TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVEN'T UPGRADED PUBLIC FACADE AND APPEAL TOWARDS THE PUBLIC-FACING SIDE TO THE COMMUNITY PROPER, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID ON THE LAST BATTING TUNNEL.

THIS SLIDE THAT'S HERE, THIS STARTS GOING OVER THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION PHASING AND SCHEDULING PLAN, WHERE THEY'RE LOOKING AT DOING TEMPORARY FACILITIES WHERE THE CONSTRUCTION WORKERS ARE GOING TO WORK, AND THEN THE SEQUENCING AND SCHEDULING OF HOW TO DO CONSTRUCTION OF THIS SCALE ON AN EXISTING SITE.

AND WE'VE WORKED WITH THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT PARTNER, TURNER CONSTRUCTION, TO COME UP WITH THIS.

I PROMISE YOU, I DIDN'T CREATE THIS, BUT SOMEBODY THAT'S VERY MUCH SMARTER THAN I DID THAT HAS CONTROL OF THIS SCHEDULE.

AND AGAIN, THAT GOES FURTHER INTO HERE.

THESE WERE SOME OF THE TOWN COMMENTS, WAS MAKING SURE THAT WE IDENTIFY A LOT OF WHAT'S HAPPENING DURING CONSTRUCTION TO THE PEOPLE OF THIS COMMUNITY SO EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT'S HAPPENING.

AGAIN, SHOWING THE PHASING AND THE SITE LOGISTICS FROM OUR CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT PARTNER.

AGAIN, YOU'RE SEEING TEMPORARY TEAM FACILITIES, WHERE THE CONSTRUCTION IS GOING TO BE HAPPENING THROUGH THE DIFFERENT PHASES, AND HOW WE REALLY CAN SEQUENCE BUILDING THOSE TWO NEW CLUBHOUSES IN A PRETTY TIGHT EXISTING SITE.

SO THAT BEING SAID, I THINK WE WANTED TO OPEN IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS, SO I'LL GIVE IT BACK TO YOU. THANK YOU.

>> AS YOU KNOW, WE WENT THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND WE HAD A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL ON ALL THE CONDITIONS.

WE JUST HAD ONE CONDITION THAT WE HAD SOME ISSUE WITH AND THAT WAS REGARDING THE GRASS PARKING.

WE MADE THAT COMMENT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AND WE'RE ASKING YOU THE SAME CONSIDERATION HERE TOO.

WE CAN CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE TOWN ON THAT AREA, BUT IF WE DESIGNATED, IT CREATES OTHER ISSUES.

WE ALSO HAVE BEEN PROVIDED COMMENTS FROM PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE IN REGARDS TO SOME CONCERNS THEY HAD TOO IN REGARDS TO THE ENTRY ACCESS THERE IN THE SOUTH SIDE PORTION OF THAT ENTRY ACCESS AS NEEDED FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES.

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AND WE WENT THROUGH THIS RATHER QUICKLY.

I'LL RESERVE A MINUTE-AND-40 SECONDS FOR ANYTHING ELSE THAT I MAY NEED TO SAY. THANK YOU.

>> STEPH.

KNOWING THAT WE WANT TO LET STAFF TALK TO YOU.

[LAUGHTER].

>> YOU DON'T HAVE POWEREPOINT THERE.

>> THANKS GEORGE. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.

FOR THE RECORD, GARRETT WATSON WITH PLANNING AND ZONING.

YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT A SITE PLAN FOR THE FIRST MAJOR RENOVATION OF THE STADIUM SINCE ITS INCEPTION.

DUE TO THE NATURE OF THIS MULTIYEAR COMPLEX PHASING PROCESS AND IN ORDER TO HELP FACILITATE SPRING TRAINING IN THE NEAR FUTURE IN THE YEAR 2025.

STAFF EXPEDITED THE MEETING SCHEDULE.

WE WERE AT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION LAST WEEK.

THEY RENDER A RECOMMENDATION WHICH WAS SENT TO YOU ON WEDNESDAY RELATED TO A MODIFICATION TO CONDITION NUMBER 7, WHICH I'LL GET TO LATER IN THE PRESENTATION.

AS THE APPLICANT NOTED, IT'S A MULTIYEAR PROJECT, IT'S A BIG PROJECT.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE ABOUT TWO YEARS TO COMPLETE THROUGHOUT THAT TIME.

BASED ON THEIR CURRENT PLANS FOR OPERATION, THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE AND FUTURE SEASONS TO HOST MAJOR LEAGUE AND MINOR LEAGUE EVENTS AS WELL AS TOURNAMENTS.

THE APPLICANT WORKED ON LOGISTICS PLAN, WHICH IS ACTUALLY UP BEFORE YOU NOW AND PART OF YOUR PLANS PACKAGE THAT ENSURES THAT THE STADIUM OPERATIONS DURING CONSTRUCTION HAVE A MINIMAL IMPACT TO NEARBY RESIDENTS AND NEARBY BUSINESSES.

THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS IMPORTANT FOR STAFF AS WE'RE REVIEWING THIS APPLICATION.

AS PART OF THOSE CONSTRUCTION PHASES AND CERTAIN STRUCTURES BEING TAKEN DOWN AND CONTINUING OPERATIONS, THE APPLICANTS REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR SOME TEMPORARY CLUBHOUSE FACILITIES IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE TEMPORARY CLUBHOUSES ARE TAKEN DOWN AND EXPEDITED MANNER AFTER THE PERMANENT CLUBHOUSES ARE CONSTRUCTED.

WE'VE RECOMMENDED A CONDITION THAT THOSE TEMPORARY FACILITIES ARE REMOVED WITHIN 90 DAYS OF THEIR PERMANENT COUNTERPARTS BEING COMPLETED.

WITH REGARDS TO SOME LANDSCAPING ON THE PROPERTY, NATURAL RESOURCES AND THE APPLICANT MET OUT ON THE SITE AND IDENTIFIED SEVERAL TREES THAT WERE IN GOOD CONDITION THAT CAN BE RELOCATED ON SITE.

WE'VE ADDED SOME CONDITIONS WITHIN THE RESOLUTION THAT ENSURES THAT THOSE ARE RELOCATED AREAS WHERE THEY CAN CONTINUE TO PROVIDE SHADE AND BUFFERING AND CONTINUE TO GROW IN THE PARKING LOT AREAS AND PROVIDE THAT BENEFIT.

IN ADDITION TO LANDSCAPING, THE PROJECT PLANS TO ADD SOME NEW STRUCTURES AROUND THE SITE WHICH NECESSITATES NEW ADA PARKING, THAT THERE'S A CONDITION WITHIN THE RESOLUTION THAT REQUIRES A PLAN AND A LETTER TO BE SUBMITTED FROM A DESIGN PROFESSIONAL THAT CERTIFIES THE PROJECTS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE FLORIDA ACCESSIBILITY CODE.

WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR THAT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.

LASTLY, BEFORE I GET INTO THE CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT IS CONTESTING PROPOSING SOME NEW SIGNAGE.

SIGNAGE WITH THE STADIUM HAS BEEN CODIFIED OVER THE YEARS THROUGH AN EXTERIOR SIGN PROGRAM.

MOST RECENTLY WAS AMENDED IN 2019 WITH THE BATTING TUNNEL BUILDINGS.

THAT'S ACTUALLY BEING CODIFIED AGAIN AND HOLE HERE AS CONDITION NUMBER 8 OF THE RESOLUTION WITH NEW SIGNAGE.

THE STAFF REPORT SEPARATES OUT THE SIGNAGE FROM EXTERIOR VISIBLE SIGNAGE AND INTERIOR VISIBLE SIGNAGE.

THAT WAY YOU CAN SEE WHAT WILL BE VISIBLE TO THE FANS VERSUS THE PUBLIC.

IF YOU ARE ACCEPTING OF THOSE THERE WITHIN THE RESOLUTION TONIGHT AS PROPOSED, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED WITH SIGNAGE IS GENERALLY IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE TOWN CODE AS IT'S REQUIRED, AND IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE SIZE AND MASSING OF THE BUILDING GENERALLY.

LASTLY, IS THE APPLICANT NOTED THEY HAVE A CONDITION ISSUE WITH CONDITION NUMBER 7, WHICH IS RELATED TO THE STABILIZATION OF THE GRASS PARKING FOR SOME QUICK BACKGROUND, THAT AREA HAS BEEN USED FOR QUITE SOME TIME FOR TOURNAMENT PARKING.

THEY UTILIZE THOSE CARDINALS FIELDS OF PRACTICE FIELDS ALONG CENTRAL BOULEVARD FOR TOURNAMENTS.

IT'S NOT ACTUALLY USED FOR TYPICAL STADIUM OPERATIONS SINCE FOR THOSE TOURNAMENTS, WE FIRST BROUGHT UP THE ISSUE OF PARKING IN THIS AREA BACK IN 2019 WITH THE APPLICATION, BUT AT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST, THAT ITEM WAS POSTPONED TO BE TALKED ABOUT AT A LATER DATE WHEN MORE SIGNIFICANT RENOVATIONS TO THE STADIUM WERE HAPPENING, WHICH IS THIS APPLICATION.

THE APPLICANTS ENGINEER WAS CONCERNED EARLY ON THAT THE MODIFICATION MAY NOT BE APPROVED BY ITSELF FOR WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND RECOGNITION OF THAT, RECOMMENDED A MODIFICATION TO THE CONDITION THAT SAID THAT GRASS AREA WOULD BE SUBJECT TO TOWN STAFF IN SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT OF PROVING IT.

DUE TO THE EXPEDITED NATURE OF THE REQUEST, THE RESOLUTION THAT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU AND IN YOUR PACKETS DOESN'T INCLUDE THAT LANGUAGE.

IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS INCLUDED, YOU WOULD JUST NEED TO MAKE THAT AS PART OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION OR YOUR MOTION TONIGHT.

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>> THE FIRST QUESTION, GEORGE.

MR. GENTEEL, FOR THE RECORD, DO YOU HAVE ANY DOUBT.

EVERYBODY SITTING HERE UP ON A TOWN COUNCIL IN TOWN STAFF ARE NOT THRILLED WITH THIS PROJECT PROCEEDING?

>> ABSOLUTELY NOT.

I HAVE TO TELL YOU IT'S ONE OF MY FAVORITE ACTIVITIES IN THE ENTIRE TOWN.

I THINK IT IS A ICON, EVEN THOUGH WE ARE THE BIO-SCIENCE HUB.

I THINK OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA, MAYBE ALMOST IN THE COUNTRY NOW.

I THINK BASEBALL IS RIGHT UP THERE WITH EVERYTHING.

>> I WANTED TO GET THAT QUESTION OUT FIRST BECAUSE WE HAVE A TENDENCY ON COUNCIL SOMETIMES I ASK THE INTERNAL STUFF AND WE HAVE A DISTINGUISHED MEMBER OF ONE OF THE TEAMS HERE TONIGHT.

I CERTAINLY WANT TO MAKE SURE HE UNDERSTANDS LOUD AND CLEAR THAT WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN THRILLED AND CONTINUE TO BE THRILLED THAT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS PROCEEDING AND YOU'LL CONTINUE TO BE HERE FOR YEARS.

MIKE KNOWS THAT, BUT JUST ANY EVENT, HE HADN'T REALLY CONVEYED IT TO YOU.

I DID WANT YOU TO HEAR IT FROM AS DEFINED HERE.

THANK YOU. I ASKED COUNCIL MEMBERS IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.

>> NO QUESTIONS. JUST A COUPLE OF COLUMNS IS ANOTHER ITEM THAT'S BEEN LINGERING SINCE PRE-COVID.

WE WERE MAKING PROGRESS AND EVERYTHING SHUT DOWN.

I'M HAPPY TO MEET WITH THE OTHER DAY AND I GOT THE WHOLE PROGRAM.

ONE THING CONCERNING THE BALLPARK, I'M HAPPY TO MOVE THE THE BLUEPRINTS OUT OF THE FIRING LINE OF 100 MILE AN HOUR.

THIS IS LIKE A FESTIVAL.

I LIKED THE LEFT FIELD.

THE NEW MOVE IN THE BLEACHERS AND PUTTING IN THE MODEL [OVERLAPPING] .

>> THANK YOU.

>> SITUATION. I KNOW THE NEW CLUBHOUSES.

IT'S NOT JUST FOR PLAYER ENHANCEMENT IS ALSO FOR RECRUITING, SO YOU KEEP UP WITH THE JONESES.

IT'S ALL UNNECESSARY. IT'S ALL GREAT.

LET'S JUST KNOCK THIS ONE OUT AND GET IT DONE.

THE GRASS SEEDS PARKING SITUATION, WE CAN DEAL WITH THAT LATER.

I DON'T WANT TO HOLD THIS UP AT ALL.

>> I APPRECIATE THAT.

>> I AGREE WITH THAT. ON THE GRASS PARKING AND I LOOK FORWARD TO GOING INTO LUTEIN STORES.

FRANKLY, THEY GET SOME GEAR BEFORE THE GAME.

HAVING THAT OUTWARD FACING TEAM STORE IS REALLY HELPFUL.

I WOULD JUST ADD A TINY THING TO THINK ABOUT IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS COMMITTED FUNDS THAT DOWN THE LINE, JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND IS JUST THE PLAZAS TO THE STADIUM.

I KNOW THE FAN BASE CAN BE OLDER.

I KNOW THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE TYPICALLY WAITING FOR FAMILIES AND FRIENDS THERE AT THAT GATE.

IF THERE'S A WAY TO WORK IN AND MAYBE JUST, YOU CAN DISREGARD THIS IF YOU WANT.

BUT YOU KNOW, RAISED PLANTERS ARE SEEDING OF SOME FOR PEOPLE TO BE MORE COMFORTABLE WHEN THEY'RE WAITING FOR FAMILY OR FRIENDS GOING INTO THE GAME, BUT THAT'S IT. OTHERWISE.

>> I APPRECIATE IT.

>> YES. NOW IT LOOKS GREAT.

I TALK TO YOU TODAY. I THINK IT LOOKS GOOD.

I'LL TRY MY BEST TO BECOME A BASEBALL FAN OF NUMBER JUST [LAUGHTER] WITH ALL THE UPGRADES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

I THINK IT LOOKS GOOD AND NICE TO SEE IT WHEN IT'S ALL DONE.

IT WILL FIGURE OUT THAT PARKING THING FOR YOU GUYS.

>> I DO THINK THAT IT IS A PLUG.

THAT'S THE END OF OUR QUESTIONS.

DID YOU HAVE ANY FINAL REMARKS?

>> NO. I APPRECIATE YOU WORKING WITH US.

I THINK THAT AS THE GENERAL MANAGER, MIKE BOWER, HAS INDICATED PREVIOUSLY, THAT WE CAN ALL WORK TOGETHER TO GET THESE THINGS DONE.

I THINK THAT WE'VE WORKED TOGETHER ON IT FOR 20 YEARS AND WE CAN CONTINUE TO DO THAT.

WE THINK IT'S IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF EVERYBODY THAT LET'S WORK TOGETHER FROM THIS POINT ON AND TAKE CARE OF ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO DO.

APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. I'LL MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS, I GUESS SOUNDS LIKE MY COLLEAGUES MIGHT BE READY FOR A MOTION.

BUT AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO REPRESENT, AGAIN, IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT DOESN'T KNOW THAT THE TOWN HELPED IN THE DONATION OF 25 ACRES OF PROPERTY TO ALLOW TWO TEAMS TO COME HERE AT THAT TIME IN RETROSPECT, IT WAS A GOOD DECISION HAVING TWICE AS MUCH BASEBALL AT ONE STADIUM, BUT IT NEEDED A 25 ACRES STATE THE TOWN WOULD HAVE GOTTEN FROM THE DEVELOPER DUTY TO THROUGH HERE.

THAT'S AN UNDERLYING THING.

THAT'S HOW WE WIND UP HAVING THE FOURTH QUAD THAT WE ARE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH.

WE DON'T WANT TO HOLD ANYTHING UP, BUT I'M GOING TO ASK MY COLLEAGUES TO JUST AT LEAST ADD TWO WHEREAS CLAUSES HERE.

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WHEREAS THE TALENT JUPITER, IN ORDER TO SUPPORT A STADIUM FACILITY TO ACCOMMODATE TWO MAJOR BASEBALL TEAMS COLLABORATING WITH THE DEVELOPER OF APA COLA TO DEDICATE ENOUGH EXTRA LAND, ABOUT 25 ACRES TO PALM BEACH COUNTY.

STATEMENT OF FACT. IN OTHER WORDS, WHEREAS IS PART OF THAT AGREEMENT TO NORTHERN QUAD FIELDS WERE ESTABLISHED FOR SHARED USE AS PART OF THE TOWN'S RECREATION PROGRAM IN ORDER TO FULFILL THE DEVELOPERS DRI OBLIGATIONS TO THE TOWN TO PROVIDE YOU WITH 25 ACRES OF PROPERTY FOR RECREATIONAL USE PURPOSE.

MIKE UNDERSTANDS MY INTENT FOR PUTTING THAT IN THERE JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY.

WE'RE EXPECTING IN UPGRADING THE QUAD FIELDS THAT THE QUAD FACILITIES THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN EXTENSION OF THAT AGREEMENT.

WHAT IS NOT SAID IN HERE THAT I WANT TO MAKE IT PRETTY CLEAR WE'RE EXPECTING THAT SHOULD BE PROCEEDING.

I DON'T WANT ANY THOUGHT THAT WE WANT ANYTHING TO HOLD UP THE STADIUM.

BUT SO I SAY THAT AND THEN I HAVE ONE MORE ITEM.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO ADD IT HERE, BUT AS LONG-TIME PARTNERS, IF YOU WILL, KNOW THAT WE'RE EXPECTING TO CONTINUE THAT PARTNERSHIP.

I BELIEVE THE AGREEMENT IS BETWEEN US, AND YOU AND NOT THE COUNTY.

I'M HOPING THAT STAFF IS GOING TO PROCEED WITH YOU TO AMEND IT TO SOMETHING WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ON.

OBVIOUSLY, PROBABLY WITH THE COUNTIES CONCURRENCE.

DID YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THAT?

>> MIKE BOWER, GENERAL MANAGER OF ROGER DANE CHEVROLET STADIUM.

WE'VE TALKED WITH THE TEAMS OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS AND WE'RE VERY OPEN TO SITTING DOWN WITH THE TOWN AND RENEGOTIATING THAT USE AGREEMENT.

THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT, JASL AND THE TOWN WOULD HAVE TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT.

WE WOULD THEN PRESENT IT TO THE COUNTY FOR RATIFICATION.

BUT WE FEEL LIKE WE CAN WORK TOGETHER AND GET THERE.

>> I HAD NO DOUBT I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU.

>> YEAH.

>> THOSE JUST MAKE IT CLEAR ALSO TO THE COUNTY THAT THAT'S FAR STAKE INTO THIS.

IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN.

THEN I CAN PROCEED.

THEN ON THE OTHER ONE, I DO WANT TO SAY IT SOUNDS LIKE A MAJORITY OR ANY WAY DOWN ON THAT SECTION 7 PARKING.

I DO THINK THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED.

IF IT IS A THOUGHT ABOUT TAKING THAT OUT, WE REALLY CAN'T FORGET ABOUT THAT.

THAT'S BEEN USED.

IT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED SO THAT I WOULD SUBMIT THE COUNTY ENGINEER NEEDS TO GET INVOLVED WITH THAT TOO, BECAUSE THAT'S A COUNTY ROAD THERE AND WHATEVER.

IT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT CORRECTLY SO THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH PUBLIC SAFETY.

>> I AGREE. I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT THE TIMELINES OF GETTING THIS. [OVERLAPPING]

>> I UNDERSTAND. NOT HOLDING UP, BUT I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

LET'S WAIT FOR HOW YOU'RE ALL GOING TO DEAL WITH THAT IN THE MOTION, BUT WE CAN'T FORGET THAT.

>> CAN I JUST ADDRESS IT SO THE PARKING LOT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE MAJOR LEAGUE OR MINOR LEAGUE OPERATIONS.

>> RIGHT.

>> IT ONLY HAS TO DO WITH THE AMATEUR TOURNAMENTS THAT ARE HOSTED.

THERE'S CONTROL OVER THE TOURNAMENTS AND ADDRESSING THE PARKING LOT IS AN ITEM THAT FROM WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING HERE, THAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED.

BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO SLOW DOWN ON THIS PROJECT.

BUT THE SAFETY CONCERNS ARE THE TURNING MOVEMENTS INTO THAT PARKING LOT FROM 45 MILE AN HOUR OR CENTRAL BOULEVARD AND THE CRAFTSMAN TRAFFIC THAT CUTS ACROSS CENTRAL BOULEVARD INTO THAT PARKING LOT.

YES, AND IT HAS BEEN A SAFETY CONCERN OVER THE YEARS.

>> I AGREE.

WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT, BUT WE DON'T NEED TO ADDRESS IT HERE.

IT SHOULDN'T BE INCLUDED IN THE MOTION OR THE MOTION SHOULD NOT INCLUDE THAT CONDITION.

>> HOW ABOUT A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 62, 23,

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>> YES.

>> SECOND.

>> ARE YOU ADDING ANYWHERE ELSE CLAUSES?

>> I'M ADDING THE MAYOR'S WHEREAS CLAUSES.

I'M NOT GOING TO REMEMBER ALL THAT.

>> SECOND.

>> IS THE MOTION AND A SECOND FOR DISCUSSION.

SEEING NONE. I DO THINK WE HAVE TO PURSUE THAT. TAKING IT OUT.

>> I AGREE.

>> OKAY. MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>> AYE.

>> MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

>> MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

WE'LL GET OUT THERE SO WE CAN PLAY BALL AGAIN.

>> THANKS.

>> GOOD JOB.

>> THE NEXT ITEM WE HAD ON THE AGENDA IS PUBLIC BUSINESS,

[16. Selection of Town of Jupiter Vice-Mayor 2023-2024.]

>> IS THERE A PRESENTATION? THAT WOULDN'T BE. IT'S JUST OUT FOR DISCUSSION.

>> NO.

>> IF I MAY SPEAK FIRST, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I KNOW THAT IT IS THE TRADITION OF THIS COUNCIL TO PASS THE SEAT AROUND.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, BUT IT HAS BEEN.

GIVEN THE UNEXPECTED RESIGNATION OF A COUNCIL MEMBER, AND GIVEN THAT THERE ARE ONLY A FEW MONTHS REMAINING OF THIS YEAR, I WOULD ACTUALLY FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE WITH COUNCILOR DELANEY SERVING AS VICE MAYOR, IF YOU WOULD ACCEPT SUCH A NOMINATION ON THE DIAS BECAUSE HE WAS THE VICE MAYOR IMMEDIATELY PRECEDING COUNSELOR SCHNEIDER'S VICE MAYORSHIP.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FOR NOMINATE THAT COUNCILOR DELANEY BE NAMED VICE MAYOR.

>> I SECOND.

>> THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

>> AYE.

>> AYE.

>> SURPRISE. [LAUGHTER]

>> I WOULDN'T JOIN A CLUB OR IT WOULD HAVE SOMEONE LIKE MUSIC MEMBER, THAT KIND OF THING. [LAUGHTER]

>> MOVING ON, AND THIS WILL PROBABLY TAKE US INTO REPORTS.

BUT WE HAD A ROUND TABLE ITEM HERE, NUMBER 17,

[17. Property Owner’s Unilateral proposal to amend the Development Agreement between the Town and Crossroads 6106 LLC as successor in interest to Developer Diversified Realty (DDR) Jupiter Falls LLC also referred to as Santé Circle.]

I THINK PERHAPS IT MAY HAVE BEEN ONE COUNCIL MEMBER, AND WE OUGHT TO ESTABLISH A CLEAR POLICY ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE THIS IS A UNIQUE ONE.

IT REALLY WASN'T AN APPLICATION, IT WAS COMING TO US.

I'M BOTHERED BY LAST-MINUTE CHANGES IN THE AGENDA.

I DO THINK THERE SHOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE COUNCIL DECISION, AS OPPOSED TO JUST ASSUME THEY WERE ACCEPTED INTO [INAUDIBLE].

CAN I HAVE ANYBODY ELSE'S WEIGH IN ON THAT? I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE DISCUSSED ON THIS ITEM HERE.

>> DISCUSSED ON?

>> THIS IS ON THE AMENDING THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER [OVERLAPPING]

>> YEAH.

>> I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS.

>> REGARDING WHETHER TO HAVE [OVERLAPPING]

>> OURSELVES ABOUT IT, WITHOUT IT BEING CONTINUED.

IT'S ALL PREROGATIVE WHEN STAFF COMES TO US FOR SOME DIRECTION ON A ROUND TABLE ITEM, SO WE CAN LEAVE IT CONTINUED BUT I JUST WANTED TO HELP.

LET'S SETTLE COUNCIL POLICY, SO STAFF KNOWS GOING FORTH THAT IT CAN'T BE ASSUMED.

>> IF THEY'RE ON THE AGENDA, THEY STAY ON THE AGENDA.

>> WE'RE THE ONES TO DECIDE WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW IT TO BE CONTINUING.

>> I PULLED IT. I DIDN'T PULL IT, I HAVE NO ABILITY TO PULL IT.

WHAT I DID WAS, THIS WAS A VERY LONG AGENDA AND EVENING, WE'RE AT 10 O'CLOCK RIGHT NOW.

GIVEN HOW COMPLICATED IT WAS, I NEEDED MORE TIME AND I HAD ASKED PEOPLE FOR MORE TIME.

I AGREE THAT WE NEED TO BE CLEAR, AND WE SHOULD DISCUSS, AND WE SHOULD CLARIFY IT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO AMEND THE AGENDA.

I CAN MAKE A REQUEST, BUT I AM ONLY ONE COUNCIL MEMBER.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKED ITS WAY THROUGH,

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I DID NOT KNOW THAT.

BUT I'LL GO AHEAD AND SAY THAT I WAS ONE, NOT KNOWING WHAT OTHERS FELT.

BUT I DO WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT PART OF TOWN, GIVEN HOW COMPLEX IT IS AND HOW THERE ARE MULTIPLE PARCELS OUT THERE.

THERE'S RIGHTS-OF-WAY FOR ROAD OUT THERE THAT THE TOWN IS CONTEMPLATING.

I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT SECTION BETTER, AND AS A NEWER COUNCIL MEMBER I NEEDED A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME GIVEN THE AGENDA.

I SAY THAT NOT KNOWING HOW OTHERS FELT OR HOW ANYONE ELSE FELT, BUT THAT'S WHAT I EXPRESSED.

THEN WE GOT THE LETTER AND THEN WE GOT THE EMAIL THAT IT WAS NO LONGER ON THE AGENDA.

IF WE WANT TO CHANGE THE POLICIES THAT A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL, I DON'T KNOW.

I'M UNCLEAR ON THE POLICY MYSELF IN TERMS OF HOW WE ADDRESS AGENDA ITEMS.

>> NUMBER 1, I THINK, AND IT MAY HAVE BEEN THE CASE THAT TWO THINGS HAPPENED HERE AT THE SAME TIME.

PERHAPS YOUR REQUEST WHICH I WOULDN'T HAVE KNOWN ABOUT, AND THEN THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.

BUT JUST LIKE I ASKED FOR AN ITEM TO BE CONTINUED, WE GENERALLY GO ALONG WITH EACH OTHER.

WHAT I DON'T WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN IS THE PERCEPTION THAT AN APPLICANT CAN STOP US FROM HAVING OUR CONVERSATION ON AN ITEM.

WHICH IS WHY I'M BRINGING IT OUT.

WE GENERALLY ARE VERY COLLEGIAL WHEN ONE MEMBER WANTED MORE TIME, THAT'S A DIFFERENT REASON.

BUT THEN WE'D SAY SCHEDULE IT FOR THE NEXT MEETING, AS OPPOSED TO IT'S CONTINUED TO SAY WHENEVER THE APPLICANT COMES BACK, WHEN THIS WASN'T AN APPLICANT ITEM IN THE FIRST PLACE.

>> I GOT AN EMAIL AND A PHONE CALL FROM THE APPLICANT AND HE SAID THAT HE WOULD LIKE SOME MORE TIME, THERE WERE SOME ISSUES.

HE TALKED ABOUT LENGTHY AGENDA, AND I DIDN'T DISAGREE WITH HIM BECAUSE I WANTED HIM TO GET A FAIR SHAKE.

THAT'S A COMPLICATED SITUATION UP OUT THERE.

>> IT'S CHANGED SO MANY TIMES, I'M JUST TRYING TO KEEP TRACK OF IT ALL.

>> NO, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT GENERALLY, I'M JUST ASKING SO THERE'S NO CONFUSION HERE THAT WE COME TO THE MEETING BECAUSE FIRST THING I ASKED WAS THE TOWN ATTORNEY, WHO DECIDES WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA OR NOT?

>> I AGREE. I DON'T WANT TO CREATE THAT PERCEPTION.

>> WE GENERALLY AGREE THAT IT'S STILL, PARTICULARLY IF IT'S THE DAY BEFORE.

IF THE AGENDA CAME OUT, WHEN WE GET IT AND IT WAS ALREADY CONTINUED, THEN IT'S CONTINUED.

BUT IF IT'S HAPPENING THE DAY OF OR THE DAY BEFORE, IT SHOULD COME.

EVEN IN FAIRNESS TO THE PUBLIC, THERE'S LOT OF PEOPLE THE PUBLIC THAT WE'RE THINKING THIS WAS ON THE AGENDA.

WE STARTED GETTING SLAMMED WITH A WHOLE BUNCH OF EMAILS. I DON'T KNOW.

>> NO, I AGREE.

>> IS THAT CLEAR ON THAT ONE THEN? THEN USUALLY WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT THESE ITEMS, BUT I'M GOING TO JUST GIVE A FEW COMMENTS FROM THE REPORTS.

BUT STARTING WITH REPORTS, I GO TO TOWN ATTORNEY.

>> THE MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT AND THE JUPITER SOCCER CASE HAS BEEN SET FOR OCTOBER 6TH.

JTAA HAS JOINED IN THE TOWN'S MOTION.

SECOND ITEM IS, I'VE ALREADY PREPARED AN AMENDMENT TO THE JUPITER STADIUM LIMITED AGREEMENT.

IT'S BASED ON DISCUSSIONS I HAD WITH THE TOWN MANAGER SOMETIME AGO, SO WE CAN GET THAT OFF TO THEM PRETTY QUICKLY.

>> I MAY HAVE JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS FOR ME.

FIRST OF ALL, ON THIS AGENDA ITEM THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING, I GUESS I WOULD NEED SOME CLARIFICATION ON MANAGING THE AGENDA, BECAUSE THIS AGENDA CAN BE VERY COMPLICATED AT TIMES.

I GET REQUESTS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS FAIRLY REGULARLY TO ADD AN ITEM, HOLD AN ITEM, DON'T PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON WHAT COUNCILS EXPECTATIONS ARE ON THAT.

THEN ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS BECAME AN APPLICANT'S ISSUE.

THIS WAS NEVER AN APPLICANT ISSUE.

>> EXACTLY.

>> THE DECISION TO NOT HAVE THE ROUND TABLE DISCUSSION TONIGHT, HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE APPLICANT.

IN THE MATTER OF FACT, I WAS SO BUSY TODAY, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THE APPLICANT SENT IN A REQUEST FOR A CONTINUANCE OR TO MOVE IT.

BECAUSE IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE APPLICANT.

THIS WAS REALLY JUST GETTING THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION ON HOW YOU ALL WANTED TO PROCEED.

HAVING SAID THAT, THIS WAS MERELY A ROUND TABLE.

GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE HAVE 18 ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, AND I HAD A COUNCIL MEMBER REQUEST THAT THEY GET MORE TIME, I AS THE TOWN MANAGER MADE THE DECISION TO MOVE IT FROM THE AGENDA.

BUT CERTAINLY I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE COUNCIL'S EXPECTATIONS ARE,

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THOUGH SOMETIMES IT'S A LITTLE CHALLENGING.

>> I THINK MY INPUT ARE ONE OF FOUR.

BUT I THINK NUMBER 1 IS THE FACT THAT IT HAD CONTINUED TBA IS WHAT WE SEE.

THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE APPLICANTS ASKED TO POSTPONE WITHOUT A DATE.

THAT'S THE ISSUE. BECAUSE IF WE HADN'T HAD THIS DISCUSSION, MAYBE NONE OF US WOULD HAVE REALIZED THAT ONE OF US WANTED TO DIFFER IT.

WE WOULD HAVE SUPPORTED IT, BUT THEN WE WOULD HAVE IT FOR THE NEXT MEETING BECAUSE IT'S OUR MEETING.

DOES THAT CLARIFY WHAT THE ISSUE REALLY WAS? THIS IS A UNIQUE ONE.

IT WAS OUR ISSUE, NOT THE APPLICANT'S.

IF AN APPLICANT COULDN'T BE HERE OR WHATEVER AND IT'S THEIR ISSUE THEN WE'VE ALWAYS ALLOWED THAT TO HAPPEN.

BUT THIS WOULDN'T BE IN OURS, THEN IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CONTINUING TO THE NEXT MEETING.

THEN WE WOULD HAVE BEEN OKAY WITH THAT.

>> AGREED.

>> WE PUT IT ON THE NEXT MEETING.

>> YES.

>> THEN MY SECOND ITEM FOR TONIGHT, I FEEL LIKE I GOT A COMPLICATED ITEMS TONIGHT.

I WAS CLEAR ON THE DIRECTION GIVEN EARLIER IN RELATION TO THE LATTER WRITTEN TO THE COUNTY TO EXERCISE THE 36TH MONTH OPTION FOR THE WHAT IS NOW, I GUESS THE JUPITER FIRE DEPARTMENT.

BUT JUST A PROCEDURAL QUESTION FOR YOU ALL AND MAYBE FOR THE TOWN ATTORNEY.

I'M NOT SURE WE ACTUALLY HAD A VOTE ON THAT AND DID WE NEED A VOTE? I SAW THREE HEADS NOD, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE ACTUALLY TOOK A VOTE ON THAT.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF I NEED IT.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WHILE WE'RE HERE TO GET WITH THE TOWN ATTORNEY AND FIND OUT WHAT EXACTLY WE NEEDED FOR THAT.

>> YOU CAN HAVE A MOTION TO DIRECT THE MANAGER TO SEND THE NOTICE OF TERMINATION LETTER.

THAT WILL TAKE CARE OF ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.

>> MOTION FOR THE TOWN MANAGER TO SEND A NOTICE OF, WHAT IS IT? TERMINATION OF CONTRACT OR THE?

>> INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT.

>> INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT.

>> THIRTY SIX MONTHS.

>> THIRTY SIX MONTHS.

>> THE MOTION SECOND.

>> MOTION SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, GET THE PROPER MOTION.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>> AYE.

>> AYE.

>> OPPOSED.

>> NO.

>> MOTION CARRIERS THREE-TO-ONE WITH COUNCILOR MAY, DESCENDING.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. THEN I'M JUST WANTED WHAT THE COUNCIL KNOW THAT WE DID REACH A CONCLUSION IN THE CORNERSTONE AGREEMENT, THE CORNERSTONE PROJECT, SO WE'RE MOVING THAT FORWARD.

THAT WILL BE CONCLUDING THAT THIS PORTION OF THAT ITEM.

I DID WANT TO TAKE A MINUTE TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND I WAS HOPING TO DO THIS WHILE THERE'S STILL SOME PEOPLE IN THE ROOM, BUT I WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE A MEMBER OF OUR IT STAFF, DANIEL BARRETT, WHO'S SITTING RIGHT THERE, DANIEL.

NOT FOR THE WORK HE DOES HERE.

BUT WE'VE LAUNCHED THESE LUNCH AND LEARN SERIES OR SESSIONS AND ESPECIALLY ON AI AND WHAT IT IS, AND HOW IT WORKS, AND HOW WE CAN LEVERAGE IT, AND HOW IT CAN NOT BE VICTIMIZED BY IT.

WELL, DANIEL GAVE THE FIRST PRESENTATION LAST FRIDAY AT THE FIRST LUNCH AND LEARN AND I GOT COMMITTEE WAS THERE FOR AN HOUR AND I GOT TO TELL YOU IS ONE OF THE MOST FASCINATING HOURS THAT I HAVE LISTENED TO IN A LONG TIME AND HE JUST GOT UP THERE AND DID A GREAT JOB WITH IT.

I DO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE HIM FOR GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND.

IT WAS REALLY WELL DONE. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

ALSO THE LAST THING IS WE'RE ALSO, SO WE'RE GOING TO BE HOSTING AN AI SYMPOSIUM.

IT'S A FIVE-HOUR SYMPOSIUM COMING UP A WEEK FROM WEDNESDAY FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.

WE CAN WORK WITH SOME OF OUR COLLEAGUES IN UNDERSTANDING AI AND THOSE THINGS BECAUSE IT'S DEFINITELY THE FUTURE AND SO THAT'S IT MAYOR.

THAT'S MY REPORT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. BEFORE I GO TO COUNCIL REPORTS, DO HAVE TWO ITEMS, I THINK FOR THE LACK OF A BETTER WORD I'LL CALL THEM HOUSEKEEPING.

ONE, WE HAVE A TOWN COUNCIL VACANCY AND WE SHOULD HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT HERE AND JUST LAY OUT THE ITEM SET WE SHOULD DISCUSS AND EITHER DECIDE UPON HAVE SOME ACTION TO DECIDE UPON.

ONE IS WE GOT AN OPINION LETTER FROM

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IT READS THE NEXT REGULAR ELECTIONS, WHICH MEANS THAT WE'LL NEED TO PICK SOMEONE TO FILL THE VACANCY.

THEY WOULD CONTINUE TO MARCH OF 25.

I DO THINK ALTERNATIVELY, IT COULD BE A DECISION OF THE COUNCIL.

I'M NOT SUGGESTING I SUPPORT THAT, BUT WE CALL A SPECIAL ELECTION WHICH WOULD COINCIDE WITH THE 24 MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS.

IT'S JUST A DECISION WE HAVE TO MAKE.

I SAY THAT BECAUSE THE DECISION ON THE CANDIDATE MAY EVEN RELATE TO WHETHER WE THINK IT'S A PARTIAL YEAR OR A YEAR-AND-A-HALF OR WHATEVER.

THAT'S IT REALLY A DECISION OF THIS BODY NUMBER 1.

THEN NUMBER 2, I DO THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A PROCESS.

WE'VE ALL PROBABLY BEEN RECEIVING CANDIDATES THAT HAVE EXPRESSED INTERESTS AND I DO THINK THAT IT WOULD SEEM TO ME TO BE APPROPRIATE THAT WE NOTIFY SOMEHOW A PUBLIC LIKE WE WANT ANYBODY WHO HAS AN INTEREST TO SUBMIT A RESUME AND LETTER OF INTERESTS, LET'S SAY BY OUR NEXT MEETING TO MOVE.

I'M PROPOSING THESE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT. I'M NOT SETTING THEM.

THEN WE HAVE THE LIST AND THEN WE HAVE TWO WEEKS BY WHICH TO CONSIDER THE CANDIDATES INTERVIEW AND WHATEVER WE INDIVIDUALLY DO AND THEN WE COME TO THE MEETING THAT WOULD MAKE IT 19TH OR SOME OTHER SCHEDULE WHERE WE COME AND WE DISCUSS APPLICANTS THAT WE THINK WOULD BE A GOOD CANDIDATE THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO EACH OTHER.

BUT I'M ONLY TALKING THIS THROUGH FROM HAVING BEEN THROUGH IT THAT DOESN'T MAKE ME EXPERIENCED ANYMORE THAN YOU TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY, BUT I THINK WE WANT THE PUBLIC TO BELIEVE WE CONSIDERED THOSE THAT EXPRESSED AN INTEREST.

THAT'S WHY WE ALL SHOULD HAVE THE LIST RIGHT NOW, A PARTIAL LIST.

THIS SHOULD BE A TOTAL LIST AND THEN WE'D HAVE THE TIME TO CONSIDER TALKING TO THEM OR WHATEVER TO NARROW IT DOWN.

I'M LOOKING FOR OTHERS, BUT FOR THIS WE HAVE TO COALESCE SOME DIRECTION GOING FORTH.

>> I AGREE WITH THAT. IT COULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE SOME OF THAT CRITERIA LISTED OUT BECAUSE WE HAVE RECEIVED SOME APPLICATIONS FROM THOSE IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS.

I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE REQUEST THAT PEOPLE SUBMIT THAT THEY PROVIDE THEIR ADDRESS SO WE CAN VERIFY THAT AND THEIR DISTRICT AS WELL FROM THAT ADDRESS BECAUSE THAT CAN BE USEFUL.

OTHER CONTACT INFORMATION, WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE THAT.

THESE ARE SOME SIMPLE THINGS JUST TO EXPRESS AND INTERESTS TO THE TOWN SO THAT WE ALL KNOW ABOUT IT.

I THINK SOME HAVE BEEN MORE PUBLIC AND THEIR APPLICATIONS, OTHERS LESS SO.

IT COULD BE HELPFUL FOR ALL OF US TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE IN TERMS OF THOSE.

ON THE CODE, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I HAD THOUGHT TO REGULAR MEETINGS WOULD TAKE US TO THE 5TH.

IF YOU'RE SAYING THE 19TH, IF WE HAVE A PROCESS, COULD WE GO BEYOND THE 5TH? I ASK THAT OF OUR TOWN ATTORNEY.

>> WHAT'S TWO MEETINGS WHERE YOU DISCUSS WHO TO APPOINT TO THE COUNCIL.

WHENEVER YOU BEGIN THAT DISCUSSION, TONIGHT IS NOT THAT DISCUSSION.

>> OH, SO TWO MEETINGS FROM THE TIME YOU BEGIN DISCUSSING SO WE COULD.

>> DELIBERATE ON WHOEVER YOU'RE GOING TO A POINT.

>> WE CAN ACCEPT APPLICATIONS THROUGH THE 5TH THEN IS THE PROPOSAL FOR THE NEXT MEETING.

>> OR WHATEVER. I WILL JUST TRY TO MOVE IT.

BUT IF WE THOUGHT AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION, THE POINT THAT WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY DO THIS BEFORE, BUT BASED ON THE LAST ELECTION AND THE FACT WE'RE GETTING APPLICANTS THAT ARE NOT EVEN IN THE TOWN, WE WOULD WANT TO LIST AND THEN WE'D WANT.

I WOULD THINK THAT THE TOWN WOULD ADVERTISE FOR US ON SOCIAL MEDIA THIS INTEREST AND THEN MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THEY HAVE TO GIVE A LETTER OF INTEREST,

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I DON'T WANT TO BE WASTING MY TIME TALKING TO SOMEBODY OR CONSIDERING SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T LIVE IN THE TOWN.

I REALIZED THAT, WELL, THAT'S A BURDEN, SO IT MAY AFFECT WHEN WE GET THE LIST, BUT WHEN THAT'S VETTED ENOUGH THAT IT'S COMING TO US, BUT WE CERTAINLY HAVE TO GIVE A TIMEFRAME FOR PEOPLE TO REPLY.

WHETHER THAT'S THE 5TH OR SOMETHING ELSE.

AGAIN I'M NOT TRYING TO DRIVE THIS. WE HAVE TO CORELATE SOMETHING.

>> I'M AGREEING WITH EVERYTHING. A QUESTION FOR THE TOWN ATTORNEY.

IS IT DISTRICT SPECIFIC IF WE APPOINT SOMEONE?

>> NO.

>> YOU COULD DO IT DISTRICT TO PUT THE ROUTE.

>> I MEAN YOU CAN MAKE IT DISTRICT SPECIFIC IF YOU WANT TO.

THAT'S NOT THE INTERPRETATION OF RENDERING OF THE CHARTER.

>> I WANTED UP THAT PUBLICLY.

>> WHEN WE GET THE APPLICANTS, EACH ONE OF US MAY PUT DIFFERENT WEIGHTING ONTO THAT.

I DO THINK I HAVE A PREFERENCE FOR BEING IN DISTRICT 1, IT'S A DISTRICT 1 SEAT.

>> I AGREE.

>> BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO COME IN AND WHATEVER.

SOMEBODY ELSE CAN THINK DIFFERENTLY AND THEN PICK SOMEBODY ELSE.

THAT'S OUR PREROGATIVE.

>> I WOULD ALSO HOPE THAT THE OUR PICK WAS UNANIMOUS, SO THERE WAS A LEVEL OF COMFORT FOR SOME NEW PERSON COMING IN.

>> BUT I WOULD WANT THE NAMES BROKEN DOWN BY THE DISTRICT SO WE KNOW THAT.

>> EVERYTHING WE GET.

>> ALSO I THOSE ARE ALL HELPFUL CRITERIA.

THE ONLY QUESTION OUTSTANDING MEN MIGHT BE THE TIMELINE.

HOW LONG OF AN APPLICATION PROCESS SHOULD THIS BE? BECAUSE IT IS DIFFICULT TO GOVERN WITH ONLY FOUR.

>> YOU WOULD GIVE US RIGHT NOW YOUR LETTER OF INTEREST RESUME, PROOF OF RESIDENCY IN THE TOWN, AND THEN THE LAST PART WILL BE THE CLOSING DATE RECEIVED BY WHEN.

>> CORRECT.

>> TWO WEEKS [OVERLAPPING].

>> I'D SAY RECEIVED BY THERE RECEIVED.

>> PROBABLY REALISTICALLY.

WE CAN'T MAKE THE NINE-FIFTHS MEETING.

>> NO.

>> MAYBE WE MAKE IT RECEIVED BY THE 12TH, WHICH THEN GIVES STAFF A WEEK TO GET US TO LISTS AND WE WOULD HAVE THE LIST ON THE 19TH.

WE WOULDN'T TAKE ACTION ON IT, BUT WE THEN WOULD HAVE-

>> I AGREE, GIVEN THE WORK THAT STAFF WOULD DO THIS FOR THESE CANDIDATES, THE 12TH WOULD MAKE SENSE.

>> CAN WE ALSO MAKE SURE I KNOW WE ADVERTISE ON OUR TOWN SOCIAL MEDIA, BUT MAYBE LET THE NEWS MEDIA KNOW SO THAT THEY CAN RUN AN ARTICLE ABOUT IT THAT WAY SO AT LEAST PEOPLE CAN'T SAY THAT THEY DIDN'T SEE IT OR WHATEVER.

LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T FOLLOW US ON SOCIAL MEDIA.

>> I HAD A FEW PEOPLE REACH OUT TO ME, I'M SURE WE ALL DID, AND I TOLD EVERYBODY TO GET IT TO THE WHOLE COUNCIL.

WE'VE MADE SURE OUR STARTING POINT IS THOSE THAT ALREADY HAVE SUBMITTED SOMETHING WOULDN'T WANT THEM TO BE CONFUSED WHAT WE DID ALREADY.

I'M SORRY TO ASK, MAYBE STACY CAN LOOK AT OUR EMAILS AND MAKE SURE WHO HAD ALREADY APPLIED SO THERE'S NO CONFUSION ABOUT THAT.

NOW IF IT'S NOT A COMPLETE PACKAGE, THEN SHE CAN GET BACK WITH THEM TO TELL HER WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE.

WE HAVE A CONSENSUS ABOUT THAT?

>> YES.

>> OKAY. CLEAR.

>> UNDERSTOOD MAYOR.

>> MR. BAIRD, WE CLEAR? ARE WE ON TARGET ON THIS? THANK YOU.

THE LAST HOUSEKEEPING ITEM IN A VERY IMPORTANT ONE IS, WE ADD AN OBLIGATION AS A COUNCIL THAT WE'VE ASKED TO COMPLETE OUR TOWN MANAGER PERFORMANCE EVALUATION FOR THE YEAR 1 PERIOD THAT WENT THROUGH MAY 31ST.

ALL WE'RE MISSING NOT DOING THAT, BUT WE NOW HAVE AND SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT UP TONIGHT TO BRING THAT TO CLOSURE.

I THINK IT'S ALWAYS AWKWARD.

IT'S THE WORST POSITION I CAN THINK OF ON GETTING A PERFORMANCE REVIEWS.

I THINK ALL OF US DID ONE ON ONES.

HERE'S THE TIME TO GIVE ANY SUMMER YOU LIKE BUT THEN WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ON SALARY ADJUSTMENT.

WHATEVER WE THOUGHT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE BASED ON THE PERFORMANCE IN YEAR 1, AND WOULD BE RETROACTIVE TO 61 EFFECTIVELY.

AS WE'RE REVIEWING THINGS THAT GOT DONE

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WE WANT TO BE GETTING ON TRACK FOR THE NEXT CYCLE HERE AND IN DOING THAT.

I JUST SHARE THAT.

I THINK THAT EFFECTIVELY WHEN TOWN GOVERNMENT, WELL, FROM AN OVERALL PERSPECTIVE FOR HELPING TO DELIVER SEVERAL DOZEN NOTEWORTHY ACHIEVEMENTS WHICH I CERTAINLY PROVIDED HIM.

HE EXCEEDED EXPECTATIONS IN TWO IMPORTANT ACCOUNTABILITY AREAS IN MY MIND AND THE FACTS DROVE ME TO THAT.

THAT WAS FISCAL MANAGEMENT AND IN GOVERNMENT OR STAFF ENGAGEMENT.

THEN HE MET OR EXCEEDED EXPECTATIONS IN THE OTHER AREAS.

SO I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO OUR COLLABORATIVE PARTNERSHIP AND PERFORMANCE OF TOWN OF JUPITER GOVERNMENT AND JOINTLY PURSUING TARGETED FUTURE ACHIEVEMENTS.

I BELIEVE WE, THIS COUNCIL WITH OUR CURRENT TOWN MANAGER, HAVE ACHIEVED MORE IN THE LAST YEAR-AND-A-HALF PERIOD.

THEN I'D THINK ANY COUNSEL IN TOWN, BADGER HAVE AND I THINK THAT'S ATTRIBUTED TO TEAMWORK IN THE GREAT LEADERSHIP, WE HAVE IN OUR TOWN MANAGER, SO I'LL PAUSE THERE AND IF OTHERS WANT TO COMMENT ON YOUR-

>> I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING.

A GOOD LEADER OR GOOD LEADERSHIP SKILLS CAN TRANSCEND DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS, DIFFERENT VOCATIONS.

I ALWAYS KNEW HE WAS A GREAT LEADER, A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH WHEN HE WAS POLICE CHIEF.

I WAS A LITTLE LIKE HE'S GOING TO, IF HE COMES IN, HE HAS NO IDEA ABOUT YOUR EXPERIENCE IN LAND DEVELOPMENT, PLANNING, ZONING, BUT HE'S QUICK STUDY, HE GOT UP TO SPEED AND TRANSITION BEAUTIFULLY.

WE REALLY STRAIGHTEN OUT SOME OF THE CULTURE AND WITH THE STAFF AND I HAVE NO COMPLAINTS.

I'M VERY PLEASANTLY SURPRISED, NOT SURPRISED, BUT VERY HAPPY HOW THINGS TURNED OUT AND YOU'RE THE RIGHT GUY TO BE IN THE POSITION WHERE NOW WITH THE SITUATIONS WE'RE DEALING WITH SO THEY WERE FORTUNATE TO HAVE YOU HERE.

I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING. REMEMBER DAY 1, FIRST OR FIRST ONE-TO-ONE MEETINGS WITH THE WHITEBOARD.

I SAID FRANKLY, SURE YOU WANT TO DO THIS AND HE LEFT.

BUT WE KNOCKED OUT AND HE KNOCKED IT ALL OUT.

WITH THE SELF AND STAFF WHO HAVE NO COMPLAINTS.

>> MANAGER, I THINK YOU ARE NOTHING SHORT OF A GODSEND TO THIS COUNCIL FOR ALL THAT YOU'VE DONE.

I DID PROVIDE A WRITTEN EVALUATION OF YOU AND I'M GRATEFUL I HAVE MY LAPTOP COMPUTER HERE SO I CAN QUICKLY PULL IT UP UPON THIS SURPRISE MENTIONED.

BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY YOUR LEADERSHIP DURING THIS DIFFICULT SEASON HAS BEEN OUTSTANDING.

IT HAS BEEN A CHALLENGING YEAR WITH MORE THAN A FEW ITEMS FROM OUR EXTERNAL ENVIRONMENT AS WELL AS OUR INTERNAL ENVIRONMENT.

I DO NOT THINK THAT WITHOUT YOUR LEADERSHIP AND SUPPORT, WE COULD HAVE COMPLETED MANY OF THESE NUMEROUS STRATEGIC AND OPERATIONAL ITEMS TO SUCH A HIGH STANDARD AND WITHIN SUCH A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME.

I'M GRATEFUL TO YOU AND FOR THE WORK YOU DO AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M HEARING ABOUT THE CONTRACT AND NEEDING TO MAKE THAT RETROACTIVE AND GO FORWARD.

I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS BEFORE ON DISCUSS PUBLICLY FROM PREVIOUS MEETINGS.

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M DOING THIS, BUT I WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET THIS DONE AND BE SUPPORTIVE.

>> DEFINITELY SUPPORTED ME IN EVERY INTERACTION I'VE HAD WITH YOU SINCE YOU'VE GOTTEN HERE HAS BEEN GREAT AND WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT ACCOMPLISHED IN THE LAST YEAR-AND-A-HALF, MORE SO THAN I DID AFTER I FIRST GOT ELECTED.

I APPRECIATE YOU WORKING HARD AND BRINGING A LOT OF THINGS TO FRUITION FOR US.

>> THE LAST PIECE IS COMPENSATION.

I ALREADY TALKED TO HER OR TOWN ATTORNEY.

CONTRACT THAT WE ENTERED INTO HAD AN ANNUAL CAP THAT I DIDN'T AGREE WITH.

BUT JUST TO PROCEED, AND IT WAS UP TO TWO-AND-A-HALF PERCENT.

BUT WHATEVER ACTION WE DECIDED TO COUNSEL, HOPEFULLY WE'RE GOING TO GO BEYOND THAT.

THEN THE TOWN WILL ALSO HAVING A TOWN ATTORNEY.

YOU DON'T AMEND THE CONTRACT TO REMOVE THAT LIMIT SHOULD BE ANNUALLY, THE DISCRETION OF THE COUNCIL, WHAT THAT IS SO REALIZE IF WE GO ABOVE TWO-AND-A-HALF PERCENT, WHICH WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE JUST A MEANING THAT ELEMENT IN THE CONTRACT.

>> INFLATION HAS BEEN RECORD LEVEL, ESPECIALLY IN FLORIDA.

I SUPPORT THAT.

I'VE BEEN A BIT CAUGHT OFF GUARD WITH THIS BEING BROUGHT UP NOW.

I WISH I HAD A BIT MORE OF THE HISTORY AND WHAT'S BEEN DONE WITH PREVIOUS TOWN MANAGERS.

BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FAIR GOING FORWARD.

>> I WOULD SAY JUST THROUGHOUT MINIMUM 5% INCREASE.

WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK? DO YOU WANT TO GO HIGHER? I HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO DO ANY ANALYSIS.

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>> I'LL GO WITH 5%. IT BRINGS IT ALONG WITH THE EMPLOYEE RAISES.

>> JUST FOR THE PERSPECTIVE OF OUR NEWEST MEMBER, OUR LAST TOWN MANAGER HAD IN THE CONTRACT, THE FIRST THREE YEARS OF ANNUAL RACES, THAT WAS WHAT WAS NEGOTIATING THE CONTRACT.

THAT'S WHY YOU NEVER OBSERVED IN THAT PERIOD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT IT, BECAUSE THEY ARE AUTOMATIC IN THE CONTRACT.

>> DO YOU KNOW THE ROUGH PERCENTAGE INCREASE TO THAT?

>> NO, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK.

SEEMED TO ME IT WAS PERHAPS MORE THAN THAT.

REMEMBER, THIS IS THE CURRENT YEAR'S BUDGET, SO TO SPEAK, WE DID INCLUDE COST OF BOARD, A 5% FOR STAFF.

I SUPPORT THAT AS THE ANNUAL ADJUSTMENT, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING TO THE POINT THAT BASED UPON OUR REVIEW, SHOULD WE GIVE CONSIDERATION TO WHAT I'LL CALL A BONUS ON TOP OF THAT, WHICH NOT MOVING HIS SALARY, BUT IN RECOGNITION FOR THE ACHIEVEMENTS THERE.

I'LL JUST THROW THAT OUT.

>> I AGREE WITH THAT. A MINIMUM 5%, AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR ANY MORE.

>> WELL, I THINK THE 5% IS APPROPRIATE.

IT'S CONSISTENT FOR THE SALARY ADJUSTMENT.

>> MINIMUM, BUT I WOULD GO FOR THAT.

>> THEN I'M SAYING ON TOP OF THAT, WE WOULD GIVE A ONE-TIME BONUS WHICH WE COULD DO IN GOOD YEARS IN ADDITION TO THE SALARY ADJUSTMENT.

>> RIGHT. NEVER THOUGHT OF IT THAT WAY, BUT OKAY.

>> WELL, I'M THROWING THAT OUT THERE.

>> DO WE HAVE TO DECIDE THIS TONIGHT, OR CAN WE DISCUSS THE BONUS AMOUNT IF WE AGREE TO SOME BASIC STRUCTURE?

>> [OVERLAPPING] YEAH. IF MAJORITY WERE UNCOMFORTABLE, WE DO NEED TO TAKE ACTION.

IF WE WANT TO NOT CONCLUDE THIS, WE COULD, THAT'S A MAJORITY.

>> I'D LIKE TO BUTTON IT UP.

WE'VE GONE OVER OUR TIME ON THIS, I THINK SO.

WHAT DO YOU THINK FOR A BONUS? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING IN MIND?

>> I WAS ANXIOUS TO HEAR WHAT YOU THOUGHT.

>> I DIDN'T THINK OF THE BONUS ASPECT HERE, BUT I WAS SAYING PERCENTAGE.

BUT WHAT DO YOU GOT? [LAUGHTER]

>> I'M A TOUGH EVALUATOR.

FOR ME, HAVING SAID THAT HE SIGNIFICANTLY EXCEEDED, [OVERLAPPING] THAT GOES WITH THAT.

I'D SAY A $10,000 BONUS.

>> I'D GO WITH THAT.

>> A 5% SALARY ADJUSTMENT AND A 10% ONE-TIME BONUS.

>> I'D GO WITH THAT.

>> [OVERLAPPING] I'M MORE THAN SUPPORTIVE.

I JUST FEEL LIKE I DON'T HAVE ALL OF THE CONTEXTS FOR THAT OR WHAT THAT ENDS UP AS. COUNCIL MAY.

>> I'M SAYING I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS IT WITH THE TOWN MANAGER PRIVATELY BEFORE I TAKE ANY ACTION ON THAT.

I'M GOOD WITH THE 5%, BUT I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS IT WITH HIM BEFORE I TAKE ACTION ON MY BONUS.

I'M GOOD WITH SAYING 5% AND THEN DISCUSSING THE BONUS MAYBE AT THE NEXT MEETING.

>> I SUPPORT THE BONUS AS WELL.

I JUST WANTED TO CATCH UP A LITTLE BIT [OVERLAPPING] AND HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

>> ARE WE OKAY WITH THE 5% SALARY ADJUSTMENT?

>> YES.

>> THE 5% SALARY ADJUSTMENT AND THEN NEXT MEETING WE'LL TRY TO WRAP UP.

>> I'M SUPPORTIVE OF A BONUS, JUST THE AMOUNT. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT.

>> IN THE FUTURE YEARS, SO I'M NOT THE ONE DRIVING THIS, THAT'S AN OBLIGATION OF ANYBODY THAT HAS AN EMPLOYEE.

WHEN WE FINISH TO REVIEW, WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT THAT.

WITH THAT, I WILL ASK THE TOWN ATTORNEY TO AMEND THE CONTRACT THAT ALLOWS US TO DO WHAT WE WANT TO DO.

THEN HR KNOW THAT WE MADE IT EFFECTIVE JUNE 1.

>> I AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK IT'S AN EXECUTIVE POSITION. I THINK THAT'S USEFUL.

>> YES. OKAY.

>> MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I KNOW IT'S LATE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU.

IT'S A PRIVILEGE TO SIT IN THIS SEAT.

I ENJOY WORKING WITH EACH OF YOU, YOU GUYS ARE AMAZING.

I AM GRATEFUL FOR THE EVALUATION, BUT NONE OF THIS GETS DONE WITHOUT THE STAFF, WITHOUT THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, FROM EVERYBODY THAT CUTS THE GRASS, TO ANSWER THE PHONES, TO SITTING IN THAT BACK ROOM BACK OVER THERE.

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I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE EVALUATION, BUT REALLY IT'S AN EVALUATION THAT ENCOMPASSES THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION.

I'LL BE SURE TO PASS ALONG MY GRATITUDE TO THEM AND TO YOU AS WELL.

BUT THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR SUPPORT.

>> COUNCIL REPORTS.

[TOWN COUNCIL – LIAISON REPORTS AND COMMENTS]

>> I GOT NOTHING.

>> I JUST WANT TO BRIEFLY COMMENT ON THE OLD TOWN HALL BUILDING AND JUST SAY THAT I DID HEAR WHAT THE RESIDENTS SAID REGARDING THE PLAYGROUNDS THERE.

EACH PLAYGROUND OFFERS SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

I THINK THERE YOU DON'T WANT MUCH CHANGE, AND SO YOU JUST REALLY HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH THAT.

I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND OR I WANT TO MAKE IT UNDERSTOOD THAT I DID HEAR THE RESIDENTS ON THAT ITEM.

I'M ALSO GRATEFUL TO THE MAYOR FOR BRINGING THIS UP ABOUT THE TOWN MANAGER.

I THINK THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT PART IN THIS FIRST YEAR I AM LEARNING.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I MAKE THAT A PRIORITY EVERY YEAR GOING FORWARD.

>> I THINK IT'S AWKWARD FOR THE TOWN MANAGER TO BE PUSHING US TO DO HIS REVIEW.

>> AGREED.

>> IT'S AWKWARD JUST TO SIT HERE [LAUGHTER] JUST TELLING YOU.

[LAUGHTER]

>> I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.

>> I'M GOOD. I APPRECIATE YOU PUSHING THE REVIEW SITUATION.

I'M CIRCLING IT ON TIME EVERY YEAR. THAT'S IT.

>> OKAY. THE TIME IS NOW 10:21, WE WILL ADJOURN THE MEETING.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.