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>> IT CURRENTLY PROVIDED GRAND
[5.B.1. FISHERMAN’S WHARF – Special Exception and Site Plan applications for a three-story office building, a two-story restaurant with outdoor dining, a Tiki bar, and a private dock, on a 4.6± acre property located approximately ¼ mile west of US-1 along the north side of Indiantown Road. (PZ 22-5420)]
SENSE OF ENTRY ARRIVAL FOR THE RESONANCE AND WATER'S EDGE STATES. JUST GO THROUGH THIS.THE TOWN ENGINEERS IS COMPLETE AGREEMENT TO WAIVE THE REQUIREMENT TO PROVIDE DUAL SIDEWALKS UP TO WATERS EDGE ESTATE, AS NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
A SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS, ALTHOUGH A USE BY RIGHT IN THE C2 ZONING DISTRICT, RESTAURANT IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION USE WITHIN THE PARKWAY DISTRICT, EITHER OUT OF THE IOZ.
WE HAVE COORDINATED VERY CLOSELY WITH WATERS EDGE ESTATE.
WE'VE MET WITH THEM TWICE, BEGINNING IN DECEMBER AND WE'VE COORDINATED WITH THEM ALL ALONG THE WAY, PROVIDING THEM DOCUMENTS EACH TIME WE SUBMIT SO THAT THEY ARE WELL AWARE AS ALSO NOT BOTHERING YOUR STAFF GETTING THE PLANS THAT WE'VE SUBMITTED.
TRYING TO KEEP THEM OUT OF THE LOOP.
AGAIN, WE HAVE VERY CLOSELY COORDINATE WITH THEM.
WE'VE DONE SEVERAL THINGS TO THE PLANS THAT THEY REQUESTED AND THIS POINT, THEY ARE VERY HAPPY WITH THE PLAN. SOME PROJECT BENEFITS.
I'LL JUST THERE WHAT WE ARE DOING SOME ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP EFFORTS HERE.
WE'RE GOING TO ENVIRONMENTAL ENHANCEMENTS BY UTILIZING CONCRETE PILINGS FOR THE DOCKS, WHICH STIMULATE MARINE LIFE HABITAT.
WE'RE GOING TO PLACE INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE ON THE SITE AND WE'RE ALSO GOING TO PLACE BAT HOUSES AROUND THE PRESERVES. CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
WE HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
THERE'S ONLY ONE THAT WE THINK JUST NEEDS CLARIFIED JUST THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN IS LITTLE CONFUSING, CONDITION 8B.
ON THE WAY IT READS THIS IS PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF AND DEVELOPMENT PERMITS, THE APPLICANT SHALL PROVIDE A TRANSITIONAL AND THE RED IS WHERE IT'S CONFUSING.
A TRANSITIONAL UPLAND BUFFER EASEMENT BETWEEN THE RETAINING WALL ALONG THE WEST SIDE AND ON THE SOUTH SIDE TOWARDS THE BRIDGE AND PROPERTY LINE.
WE'RE JUST SUGGESTING THAT THE APPLICANT READS THE APPLICANT SHALL PROVIDE AN EASEMENT OVER THE PROPOSED UPLAND BUFFER PLANTING AREA AS DEPICTED ON THE UPLAND BUFFER EXHIBIT SHEET UB-1.
THIS IS NOT THAT SHEET, BUT THIS IS THE PROPOSED UPLAND BUFFER PLANTING AREA THAT IS SHOWN ON SHEET UB-1.
THIS I'M ASSUMING IS WHERE THE EASEMENT NEEDS TO BE PLACED OVER.
JUST A QUICK CONCLUSION. WE MEET ALL THE TRAFFIC.
WE AGREE WITH ALL THE OTHER CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AND THE PROJECT MEETS ALL SPECIAL EXCEPTION AND SITE PLAN REVIEW CRITERIA AND IT'S TECHNICALLY COMPLIANT WITH ALL ZONING CODES AND COMP PLAN REQUIREMENTS. THAT IS IT. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. NOW, WE'LL HEAR FROM MS. CONLEY, THE TOWN'S PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT.
>> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.
LIZZIE CONLEY, PLANNING AND ZONING FOR THE RECORD.
THE APPLICATION FOR TONIGHT, AS YOU JUST HEARD, IS FOR INCLUSION OF A SPECIAL EXCEPTION AND SITE PLAN APPLICATION FOR THREE-STOREY OFFICE BUILDING WITH UNDER BUILDING PARKING, A TWO-STORY RESTAURANT WITH OUTDOOR DINING, A TIKI BAR, AND A PRIVATE DOC ON 4.6 ACRES.
STAFF CONDUCTED A COMPLIANCE REVIEW TO ENSURE THAT THE PROJECT ALIGNS WITH TOWN CODE AND WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND STAFF HAS OUTLINED THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CONDITIONS IN EXHIBIT 1 TO ADDRESS STAFF CONCERNS.
FIRST OFF, OUR MAJOR CONCERN WAS THAT THERE WAS NO PROPOSED SIDEWALK ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE PURSUANT TO 25120 OF TOWN CODE, SIDEWALKS ALONG PRIVATE ACCESS AND CUL-DE-SAC ROADS ARE REQUIRED TO BE LOCATED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD.
THE APPLICANT HAS NOT PROPOSED A SIDEWALK ON THE WEST SIDE TO COMPLY WITH CODE.
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THERE ARE TWO SECTIONS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROADWAY THAT ARE SEPARATED BY THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE.THE SOUTHERN SIDE, WHICH WILL SERVE AS PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC FROM THE PLAZA, WHICH FRESH MARKET AND LA QUINTA INN, AND THE NORTHERN SIDE WHICH WILL ONLY SERVE THE RESIDENTS.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE PORTION THAT SERVES THE NEIGHBORING COMMERCIAL PARCELS ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE IS CONDITIONED AND THE APPLICANT IS NOT THE OWNER OF THIS ROAD.
IN ORDER TO OBTAIN APPROVAL, THEY WOULD NEED PERMISSION FROM FISHERMANS WHARF PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION IN ORDER TO REVISE THE SITE PLAN TO NARROW FISHERMAN'S WAGE DRIVEWAY SOUTH OF THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE AND BY EXTENDING THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER ON THE SOUTH SIDE PARKING LOT TO THE EXISTING CENTRAL MEDIAN.
I CAN PULL UP JUST A QUICK DRAWING OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT'S THE EXTENDED LANDSCAPE BUFFER.
THE CIRCLES ARE WHAT WOULD BE PALM TREES AND THEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE CROSSWALK.
THE EXTENDED LANDSCAPING AREA SHALL INCORPORATE THE SIDEWALK CONNECTION TO THE EAST ALONG WITH THE CROSSWALK FOR PEDESTRIANS NEAR THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE AREA.
THE FINAL DESIGN WOULD BE SUBJECT TO REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF THE TOWN ENGINEER.
BUT IF THE OWNER IS TO DENY THE MODIFICATION OF THE ROADWAY, THE APPLICANT WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED TO REVISE THE ENTRY DRIVEWAY.
THE APPLICANT PROVIDED CORRESPONDENCE FROM THE PRESIDENT OF WATERS EDGE WHO'S NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THE CHANGE, NOTING THAT IT MAY DETRACT FROM THE CURRENT DESIGN AND MAYBE DANGEROUS, BUT STAFF FEELS THAT IT WOULD PROVIDE MORE OF A SAFE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, AS WELL AS TRAFFIC CALMING IN THIS AREA.
THAT'S ABOUT TO GET SOME MORE TRAFFIC BECAUSE OF THE NEW USES.
AS YOU MAY HAVE SEEN FROM THE EMAIL SENT OUT YESTERDAY, ANOTHER RESIDENT IS MORE SUPPORTIVE BUT HAD CONCERNS ABOUT TRUCK TURN RADIUSES.
THE TOWN'S TRAFFIC ENGINEER IS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS CHANGE AND RAN TRIPS TO ENSURE THAT THE TRUCKS WOULD HAVE A LARGE ENOUGH TURN RADIUS WITH THE PROPOSED NARROWING.
THE OTHER PORTION OF THE SIDEWALK TO THE NORTH WOULD HAVE LIMITED USE FOR THE INTERNAL PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC AND THEREFORE COULD RECEIVE THE SIDEWALK WAIVER WITH THE TOWN ENGINEER FOR THAT NORTHERN PORTION THAT ONLY SERVES THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
ANOTHER CONCERN WAS THE LANDSCAPE BUFFERS PARCEL 4 WHICH WAS NOT IN CONFORMANCE WITH CHAPTER 23 AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING TO REDUCE THE EXISTING NONCONFORMITY BY INCREASING THE WESTERN LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG THE WESTERN MOST ROW OF EIGHT PARKING SPACES TO THE MINIMUM OF FIVE FEET IN WIDTH.
WE SUGGESTED THAT WOULD BE ACCOMPLISHED BY REMOVING THREE PARKING SPACES AND THE SITE WOULD STILL COMPLY WITH THE SHARED PARKING BY PROVIDING TWO MORE SPACES REQUIRED BY CODE.
THE APPLICANT AGREED AND ACTUALLY WAS ABLE TO DO IT BY TWO SPACES SO THEY HAVE THREE MORE THAN CODE.
THEY PROVIDED A NEW PLAN TO SHOW THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER.
FOR ARCHITECTURE, THE STYLE IS VERY CONTEMPORARY COMPARED TO SURROUNDING MEDITERRANEAN OR TRADITIONAL STYLES.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING ADDITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS.
LIKE THE ADDITION OF MORE GREEN WALLS, MOVERS, TRELLIS OR LARGER GLASS WINDOWS IN PLACE WHERE THERE ARE BLANK SPACES.
IT GOES INTO MORE DETAIL ON PAGE 6 AND 7 OF THE STAFF REPORT, THAT AREA THAT IS FACING THE NORTH RESIDENTS.
YOU COULD ADD A GREEN WALL INTO THAT AREA THAT WAY IT'S NOT JUST BLANK.
STAFF IS ALSO REQUESTING A ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT PLAN TO BE REVIEWED BY STAFF IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS NO ADDITIONAL NOISE OR ODOR NUISANCES THROUGH VENTING TOWARDS THE RESIDENTIAL HOME TO THE NORTH.
THERE IS NO TENANT, SO THERE'S NO PROPOSED FOR PLAN TO SHOW THE LOCATION OF THE KITCHEN.
WE JUST WANT TO HAVE THE EQUIPMENT PLAN WHEN AVAILABLE.
THIS IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR A RESTAURANT USE.
EARLY ON INTO THE APPLICATION, STAFF SUGGESTED THAT THE APPLICANT SWITCHED THE TWO USES OF THE RESTAURANT AND OFFICE TO HELP MITIGATE WITH THE NUISANCES FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
THE APPLICANT DID NOT WANT TO SWITCH THE USE, BUT DID PROVIDE THE WALLS INSIGNIFICANT LANDSCAPE BUFFERING.
BUT IN ORDER TO MITIGATE FURTHER NUISANCES, STAFF IS PROVIDING THE CONDITION TO CLOSE ALL OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES AT 10:00 PM.
>> STRIPING IN ANY TOWN ROW, WHICH IS HARD TO SEE DIRECTIONAL STRIPING LIKE YOU'VE SEEN INTERSECTIONS DASHED STRIPING THAT WOULD HELP DIRECT THE CARS TO TO STAY IN THE PROPER LANE.
ALSO THEY'VE ASKED FOR BRICK PAVERS AROUND THE EDGES TO REDUCE THE SIZE OF THIS LANDSCAPE ISLAND, WHICH WE'VE DONE.
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WE RE-LANDSCAPED THIS ISLAND FOR THEM.THEY ALSO ASKED FOR THE LANDSCAPE PLAN TO BE COORDINATED.
WE'VE REDONE THEIR ENTRY LANDSCAPES.
IT'S ONE CONSISTENT LANDSCAPING AS YOU COME DOWN FISHERMAN'S WHARF DRIVE, SO IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE'S HAS BEEN THERE A WHILE AND THIS IS NEW.
>> THAT'S THE SLIDE THAT YOU PULLED UP, THE SELF, THE ONE I WAS REFERRING TO, BUT IT MAY BE THAT YOU COVERED IT IN DISCUSSING THESE THINGS. I'M NOT SURE.
>> THAT'S ALL I CAN THINK OF FROM THE RESIDENCE.
>> NO, I JUST SEE SOMETHING ON THEIR STAFFS THING ON PAGE 1.5.
IT SAYS THAT STAFF HAS THE DOCUMENTATION FROM THE HOA AND I DIDN'T KNOW THERE IS SOMETHING IN ADDITION THAT YOU HAD THAT WASN'T BROUGHT UP OR WHATEVER UNDER APPLICANT ISSUES, SAYS THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED STAFF WITH CORRESPONDENCE FROM THE PRESIDENT OF WATERS EDGE WHO IS NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THE CHANGE CONCEPTUALLY.
>> I WANT TO SAY IT WAS DOWN AROUND 18, 19, 20, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. PERHAPS.
>> DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE RESIDENTS FROM WATERS EDGE [OVERLAPPING]
>> I'M SORRY, COMMISSION BLUM HAS THE FLOOR.
KEEP GOING TO TRY THE NEXT ONE.
>> I COULDN'T READ IT TO SEE ANY DETAIL SINCE IT WENT SO QUICK, BUT I KNOW.
>> YOU WERE PRESSURED TO GET THROUGH A LOT OF THEM AT ONCE.
IS PARKING UNDER THE OFFICE FOR THE RESTAURANT AS WELL, PARTICULARLY LIKE IN THE EVENING FOR ADDITIONAL SPOTS?
>> I THINK IT'S SPECIFICALLY JUST FOR THE OFFICE, WOULDN'T IT BE?
>> THERE ARE ELEVATORS, STAIRWAY IS GOING UP INTO THE OFFICE BUILDING.
>> I ALSO HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THAT ACCESS THAT YOU JUST DISCUSSED FROM INDIAN TOWN ROAD BECAUSE I DROVE BY THERE TODAY AT FIVE O'CLOCK COMING WEST AND IT WAS PRETTY BACKED UP, JUST COMING DOWN OVER THE BRIDGE.
I THOUGHT AND THEN PEOPLE ARE GOING TO TRY TO COME IN THIS WAY TOO AND THERE'S NO LIGHT.
>> THE BIG CONCERN WAS PEOPLE GO IN THE WRONG DIRECTION SO WE WEREN'T SURE WHAT ELSE.
>> I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT JUST ON INDIAN TOWN ROAD ITSELF, PEOPLE CROSSING AND THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC COMING DOWN.
THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE DINING ROOM, IT SAID MEMBERSHIP OR SOMETHING.
>> IT'S GOING TO OPERATE A LOT LIKE 1,000 NORTH, I MEAN, IT'S STILL PART OF THE RESTAURANT IS JUST A PRIVATE DINING AREA.
I MEAN, IT'LL STILL BE SERVED BY THE SAME WAITERS AND THE SAME FOOD.
IT'S JUST A MORE OF A PRIVATE SETTING.
>> LIKE YOU PAYED THE JOINT TO BE A PART OF THAT.
I DON'T THINK IT WAS THE INTENT IS JUST MORE OF A PRIVATE AREA.
IF PEOPLE WANTED A PRIVATE EATING AREA.
[BACKGROUND] THERE'S NO REAL RESTAURANT USER AT THIS POINT, BUT THE PLAN WAS IT'D OPERATED ALONG 1,000 NORTH.
>> I THINK YOU GET TO PAY TO BE THERE.
I KNOW THEY'VE NEVER INVITED ME TO THE SECOND FLOOR.
>> REALLY, I'VE NEVER BEEN THERE SO [LAUGHTER] I DON'T KNOW.
I JUST WONDERED WHAT THAT WAS GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND IT LOOKED TO ME LIKE IF YOU WERE ON THE SECOND FLOOR AND YOU WERE OUT ON THE BALCONY AREA EATING OUTSIDE, THAT THAT WALL DID COME MOST OF THE WAY, BUT NOT ALL THE WAY.
AS YOU WENT TO THE NORTH FROM WHAT I COULD TELL FROM THE WAY THIS LINES WERE.
>> IN THE FIRST FLOOR, THE WALL IS TOTALLY OUT.
>> IN THE SECOND FLOOR AS WELL. EVEN ON THE RESTAURANT AND THE DINING, IT'S TOTALLY WALLED FOR THE ENTIRE WIDTH OF THAT OUTDOOR DINING. COMPLETELY.
>> THE TIKI BAR, DOES THAT SERVE FOOD AT ALL OR IS THAT STRICTLY DRINKS? WHAT'S THE THOUGHT BEHIND THAT?
>> WOULD THEY HAVE A SEPARATE KITCHEN BACK THERE?
>> NO. THE DOUBLE ROOM, THIS AREA IS JUST FOR A PANTRY, GLASSES AND STUFF.
BUT I WOULD IMAGINE THEY COULD SERVE APPETIZERS, BUT JUST I THINK IT'S ONLY 11 SEATS.
IT'S A VERY SMALL [INAUDIBLE] EXCUSE ME.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE TESTIMONY, YOU HAVE TO SPEAK INTO THAT MICROPHONE.
>> YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE AROUND. THEY'LL SERVE FOOD THERE IF SOMEBODY WANTS FOOD.
AGAIN, THERE'S NO TENANT YET, SO WHO KNOWS WHO'S GOING TO DO WHAT, BUT THE INTENT IS TO BE AT RIVER HOUSE.
>> MARK, CAN YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE?
>> YEAH. I'M MARK [INAUDIBLE] I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT HERE FOR OVER 33 YEARS IN JUPITER AND OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW VERY WELL, THEY'RE THE TWO MAIN BRANCH WHEN I FIRST BOUGHT THE PROPERTY I USED ON THE SHOPPING CENTER TOO.
THERE USED TO BE A RESTAURANT TOO, I DON'T IF YOU KNOW THAT.
THERE WAS A [INAUDIBLE] IS NOT PART THERE WAS ONLY 20 FEET AWAY FROM.
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WE ACTUALLY MOVED IT MUCH FURTHER AWAY AND ACCOMMODATED THE NEIGHBORS AND ADHERENCE MORE TO THIS.>> THAT WOULD BE MY BIGGEST CONCERN THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE FULLY AWARE, AND IN SUPPORT.
>> COMPLETELY AWARE AND SUPPORT.
AGAIN, THE PMD AT THE TOWN APPROVED ORIGINALLY, THAT WAS A RESTAURANT SITE AT THE SAME TIME AS THOSE LOTS.
IT'S EXACTLY WHAT WAS THERE FROM THE BEGINNING OF TIME.
THAT'S WHY WHEN WE HAD A RESTAURANT WAY BACK HERE THAT WAS APPROVED ON THAT SITE, IT WAS ONLY ON THE PART THAT WAS RIGHT NEXT TO THE HOMES ANYWAYS, BUT IT WAS 20 FEET AWAY WITHOUT ANY BUFFERS.
THIS IS A HUGE IMPROVEMENT OVER WHAT ORIGINALLY WAS APPROVED ON THE SITE PLAN, [INAUDIBLE] WAY BACK.
>> BUT WERE THE HOMES STILL THERE?
>> YEAH. WELL, THE SINGLE-FAMILY LOTS WERE ALL IT WAS ALL ONE PARCEL APPROVED BY THE TOWN.
THIS IS A MAJOR IMPROVEMENT INTO WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE.
>> IT DID LOOK TO ME THE WAY THAT THE WAY WE THINK CURVED ON THE SECOND FLOOR THAT YOU COULD LOOK INTO THE NEIGHBORS.
>> YOU'D HAVE TO ASK HIM THAT BECAUSE I CAN'T ANSWER THAT.
I THINK WE WENT ON OUR WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT FIRST OF ALL, THEIR HOUSE IS SET WAY BACK, SO THAT'S TOWARDS THE WATER ANYWAYS IN THAT AREA.
IT'S SET BACK MUCH FURTHER EVEN SO.
I'M NOT SURE EVEN IF HE HAD INTO WHAT WASN'T THERE, YOU WOULD EVEN SEE ANYTHING ANYWAY.
BUT IT'S A GOOD THOUGHT. THANK YOU.
>> I DO APPRECIATE. I THINK IT'S LOOKS BEAUTIFUL.
MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE RIGHT NEXT TO IT IF THEY WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT.
>> WELL, WE TOOK THEIR CONCERNS INTO CONSIDERATION AND I THINK ADDRESSED EVERYTHING PLUS MORE.
YOU TALKED ABOUT THE KITCHEN AND NOT KNOWING DOWN THE ROAD AND I NOTICED WHERE SOMETHING WOULD GO ON TOP OF THAT ROOF THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS THE AIR CONDITIONER, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD BE?
>> LET HIM ANSWER. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
>> BUT WOULD THAT BE VISIBLE TO THOSE RESIDENTS?
>> ON THE ROOF. I GUESS IT'S ACTUALLY THE FIRST FLOOR ROOF THAT COMES UP OVER THE COVERED PART.
>> THERE'S A CONDITION IN REFERENCE TO A ROOF EQUIPMENT PLAN FOR VENTING FOR THE KITCHEN JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A NUISANCE ON THE BROWSER RESIDENTS.
THEY DON'T HAVE A TENANT YET, BUT WE'RE ASKING FOR THE ROOF EQUIPMENT PLAN FOR WHEN THEY DO.
>> WE DO REQUIRE THAT EQUIPMENT BE SCREENED, BUT THERE IS NO PROHIBITION FROM IT BEING UNDER THE ROOF LINE OR ANY SPECIAL CONDITION AT THIS TIME.
>> THAT WAS ONE OF MY CONCERNS, WAS THE VISIBILITY OF IT.
>> I'M GOING TO GIVE TO COMMISSIONER KENAN.
>> DID YOU AT ONE POINT HAVE A TENANT LOCKED IN MIND BECAUSE THE [INAUDIBLE]?
>> DID YOU GUYS HAVE SOMEBODY?
>> WE DID ONE TIME YOU HAVE SOMEBODY BUT THEY LEFT?
>> WHY IS THAT? I THINK IT'S UNUSUAL TO HAVE A PRIVATE DINING ROOM SET ASIDE WHILE YOU DON'T HAVE AN OPERATOR.
>> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, AS I SAID, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING TO BE WHERE, BUT THE ANTICIPATION IS JUST GOING TO BE LIKE 1,000 NORTH.
BECAUSE WE DID HAVE SOMEBODY AT THE TIME.
>> BUT YOU DON'T KNOW YET WHO THE OPERATOR IS.
>> WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE TWO BOAT SPACE?
>> I DON'T KNOW IF WE REALLY RECEIVED THE PUBLIC, BUT I CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT.
>> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, WE HAD A BIGGER DOG BEFORE, BUT THERE WAS IMPROVED BY SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT AND ALL THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
BUT OVER 35 YEARS, EVERYTHING SHRUNK.
SO TO TELL HIM THAT HIS BELLY DOCK WITHOUT BUILDING A BUILDING SO WE CAN NEVER PUT THE DOCK IN.
>> WHY BOTHER WE HAVE THE SECURITY?
>> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, SOME PEOPLE WANT TO COME JUST LIKE A WATERWAY CAFE AND OTHER THINGS AND SO THEY CAN DROP THEM OFF, THEY'RE CAN GO.
>> THE CONCEPT OF A DROP-OFF AND GO.
>> YEAH. I MEAN, POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE WILL HAVE ONE BOAT THERE WHO WE DON'T KNOW.
BUT I MEAN, WHY DO IT IS IT'S WONDERFUL IN PROPERTY WITH A DOCK THAT'S BEEN APPROVED FOR 35 YEARS BY EVERYBODY, BUT WE COULDN'T BUILD IT.
IT'S ACTUALLY SMALLER THAN IT USED TO BE.
>> DO YOU KNOW THE TARGET TENANT OF THE OFFICE BUILDING?
>> NOT AT THE MOMENT, NO. I MEAN,
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WE'RE A BIOTECH COMPANY, DYADIC WE OWN A OFFICE BUILDING THERE IN VISUAL WHO HAVE BEEN THERE FOR 32 YEARS.POTENTIALLY, WE MIGHT TAKE SPACE UP.
WE'RE A PUBLICLY NASDAQ TRADED COMPANY THAT ACTUALLY WORKED ON COVID-19 VACCINES FOR THE WORLD, JUST SIGNED A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH BANGLADESH TO TRY TO BRING HEALTH EQUITY WITHIN OUR WORLD.
I USED TO COACH HIGH-SCHOOL WRESTLING AT JUPITER EYES.
WE'VE DONE A LOT FOR THE COMMUNITY ON A VARIETY OF FRONTS AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO TELL YOU.
>> IT'S NOT A POPULAR TIME FOR OFFICE BUILDING THAT'S WHY [INAUDIBLE].
>> THERE'S STILL HAS A NEED FOR OFFICE BUILDINGS.
NOT EVERYBODY WORKS FROM HOME AND WE STILL WORK IN OUR OFFICE BUILDING, AND I THINK THAT, THE TERM WORKS IN THEIR OFFICE BUILDING, I GUESS.
>> I'M JUST CURIOUS IF YOU HAD A TARGET OPERATOR.
>> NO. BUT IF WE HAVE ONE WE'D BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN THEM.
BUT WE MAY OR MAY NOT, DEPENDING ON THE ECONOMY AND WHAT HAPPENED TO MOVE IN SO MANY AT PACE.
AT ONE POINT IN THE PEAK OF THE PANDEMIC, WHEN OUR STOCK PRICE WAS MUCH HIGHER, WE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE TAKEN A WHOLE BUILDING.
>> I TAKE IT THAT THE RESIDENTS NEARBY ARE MORE CONCERNED WITH VISUAL CUES THAN RESTAURANT SOUND NOISE, ETC.
BECAUSE THE OFFICE WOULD BE BIGGER, WE THINK WHY WE SWITCHED IT TO WORRY ABOUT ALL THESE ISSUES.
BUT I THINK THEY ARE MORE CONCERNED WITH HOW THE BUILDING WILL BE CLOSER TO THEM.
>> NO. I THINK AT THE MOMENT THEY'RE NOT CONCERNED THEY ARE ACTUALLY SUPPORTING THE PROJECT.
AS I MENTIONED, THE PUD ORIGINALLY WHEN THE TOWN APPROVE THIS, THAT RESTAURANT WAS ONLY 20 FEET AWAY FROM THOSE HOUSES THAT WE ACTUALLY HAD AN APPROVAL WITH THE TOWN.
NOW WE'VE MOVED THAT MUCH FURTHER, WORKED WITH JOHN AND STEPHANIE TO THEIR ADVICE AND BUFFERED AND DID EVERYTHING WE POSSIBLY COULD DO THAT MAKES SENSE ON THAT SITE.
I THINK WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN TO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE EVERYBODY.
HOPEFULLY WE HAVEN'T DONE SO MUCH THAT NOBODY YOU'LL BUILD IT BECAUSE THE COST.
BUT LET'S HOPE IN THE TOWN OF COURSE THERE ISN'T A WATERFRONT SPACE.
YOU CAN WAIT TWO HOURS I THINK FROM A TOWN BENEFIT, MOST PEOPLE I KNOW AT THE TIME WOULD WANT ANOTHER WATER FRONT RESTAURANT SO THEY CAN ACTUALLY MAY BE ONLY WAIT AN HOUR AND 45 INSTEAD OF TWO HOURS EVERYWHERE ELSE.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING PUT IT DOWN, I BELIEVE.
>> GOOD MARK. I JUST GOT A QUICK QUESTION.
IT WENT BY, SO FAST, I COULDN'T QUICK PICK IT UP AND SQUEEZE IT AT THE END OF THE [INAUDIBLE]
>> YES, THAT'S SOMETHING ACTUALLY THAT STEPHANIE SUGGESTED.
[BACKGROUND] SHE HAD SENT ME ACTUALLY SOME REALLY GOOD INFORMATION FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA, BASICALLY WHAT IT TALKS ABOUT HERE IS HIS BAT HOUSES HAVE BEEN PLACED NEAR THE MANGROVE PRESERVE.
IT SAYS THAT THEY'VE REALLY HELPED COMMON INSECT PESTS BY CONSUMING THEM IN LARGE QUANTITIES.
THEY ALSO REPEL THE INSECTS THROUGH THE SOUND OF BAT CALLS, I GUESS, WHICH WE CAN'T HEAR, BUT THE BUGS CAN.
THEN THEY ALSO ASSIST IN AIDING WITH PLANT NUTRITION BECAUSE OF THEIR BAT DROPPINGS, SO ON A BAT DROPPINGS, BUT THEY'D LIKE TO BE COOLED.
[OVERLAPPING] WELL, THEY'D BE DONE THE WE PLACE THEM BUT PROS TO BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PRESERVE.
THEY'D LIKE TO BE IN SHADED AREAS.
THEY DON'T WANT TO BE OUT IN THE HEAT OF THE SUN.
THAT'LL BE IN THE SHADE OF THE BRIDGE LOCATED JUST FROM THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PRESERVATIVE, YOU ALSO WANT THEM AWAY FROM ANY OF THE HUMAN ACTIVITY IN THE OUTDOOR DINING AND STUFF.
THAT'S A PERFECT PLACE FOR THEM TO BE.
MY FIRST QUESTION IS AROUND THE PARKING.
I THINK I READ THAT THE LOCKEANTAS SPACE IS OF THE WEST PARCEL.
HAS BEEN USED FOR TRUCK PARKING IN THE PAST.
>> IT CURRENTLY IS TODAY AND IT WAS ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS FROM THE RESIDENTS.
IF YOU GO OUT THERE A LOT OF TIMES THERE'S LARGE TRUCKS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THEY'RE PARKED THERE FOR OR WHY THEY ARE THERE.
LIKE LARGE COMMERCIAL VEHICLES WILL PARK THEM BECAUSE I GUESS BECAUSE NO ONE'S EVER PARK THERE.
DO WE KNOW IF THEY'RE STAYING AT THE HOTEL OR ARE THEY JUST WAITING FOR DELIVERY.
>> FIRST OF ALL, IT'S VERY RARELY USED FOR ANYTHING.
I THINK YOU'RE TALKING TO THESE OCEAN CONTAINERS AND WHERE THEY'RE PARKED AT ONE POINT.
WHOSE FURNITURE THEY BOUGHT AND PROBABLY OVERSTAYED WHEN THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE, BUT IT'S VERY RARELY USED.
>> I HAVE PLENTY OF PARKING ON THE OTHER SIDE ANYWAY.
NO, THEY WANT A PARKING. THERE'S A LOT OF BLANK SPACES.
IF YOU EVER GO THERE AND IN SEASON, THERE'S PROBABLY 15, 20,
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30 SPACES IN THE BACK THAT COULD GO WITH A TRUCK.IT'S NOT REALLY AN ISSUE IN FACT IT'S A NUISANCE.
>> THIS WOULD AT LEAST THE POLICE, IT DIDN'T HAVE SOMEBODY AROUND THAT CAN ACTUALLY SAY, HEY, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE HERE.
>> I WAS JUST TRYING TO THINK AHEAD BECAUSE I DRIVE BY THE BEST WESTERN ON IS IT US ONE? THERE'S TRUCKS, I GUESS GUYS THAT STAY AT THE HOTEL OVERNIGHT.
ONE OF THOSE TRUCKS COULD TAKE UP 10 SPACES, 10 I HEAR, HOWEVER MANY YOU GOT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK AHEAD HERE.
THE QUESTION ABOUT THE TURN RADIUS THAT WAS ASKED BY THE HOA PEOPLE? WHO ASKED THAT QUESTION?
>> WELL, IT WAS ASKED BY STEPHANIE. I BELIEVED.
>> OKAY, SO TOWN STAFF THAT ASKED BECAUSE.
>> THE HOA OR NOT THE HOA, THE RESIDENTS ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT.
>> BECAUSE IT SHRINKS IT AND DOESN'T EXPAND IT.
>> BUT THAT WAS JUST BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THAT LOT IS USED SOMETIMES BY TRUCKS.
>> NO, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT LOT.
THEY JUST WANTED THE TRUCKS TURNED AROUND WHEN THEY GO IN AND THEY TURN AROUND THAT CIRCLE.
I THINK THEY WANTED BUT I THINK HE CAN YOU CAN ANSWER THAT BETTER THAN ME.
>> I'M NOT SURE WHERE THE CONCERN WAS.
I THINK LIZZIE HAD MENTIONED WAS IT THE RESIDENTS WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE RADIUSES, DIDN'T YOU MENTION?
>> YES. WE RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM MICHELLE LOVDAE COMMUNITY CHAIR, AND DENNIS ON THE PRESIDENT, AND I BELIEVE SHE SPOKE TO STEPHANIE ON THE PHONE AND WAS ASKING ME ABOUT THE TRUCK TURN RADIUS IF THERE WAS A NARROWING.
BUT WE HAD OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER RUN THE TRIPS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WOULD [OVERLAPPING].
>> I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF IT.
IF I'M ONE OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE COMMUNITY AND I'M HAVING FURNITURE DELIVERY OR WHATEVER. THAT'S ONE THING.
BUT IF THE RESIDENTS KNOW THAT THERE'S ENOUGH TRUCKS THAT GO IN THERE AND NEED TO TURN AROUND THAT CIRCLE BECAUSE THEY PARKED THERE OR SOMETHING OVERNIGHT.
I JUST WANT US TO BE AWARE TAT THAT COULD CREATE A PARKING ISSUE AND I KNOW WE'RE READY FOR THAT WITH THE PARKING PLAN.
>> THE DISCUSSION THAT CAME UP WAS WHEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS TRUCKS DELIVERED AND IF NO ONE IS HOME AND THEY GO UP TO THE GATE.
>> YEAH. THEN THEY GOT A BACKUP.
>> THEN THEY BACKUP. I SAID, THIS WILL IMPROVE BECAUSE THEN YOU'LL HAVE A DRIVE NOW TO COORDINATE.
BUT THEN WE ALSO MADE SURE THAT THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER RAN ALL THE DIFFERENT TYPES.
THERE ARE FOUR DIFFERENT TYPES OF TRUCKS THAT WERE DESIGNED IN ORDER TO GET AROUND THE DOCUMENT THAT LIZZIE, MISS CONLEY SHOWED.
>> YEAH. THE MODIFIED ONE WITH.
THAT'S NOT YOURS. SORRY. DON, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS LIZZIE.
THE TRUCK TURNING MOVEMENTS AND YOU'LL SEE THE LARGE RADIUSES THAT ARE ALONG THE EDGE HERE.
OH, I DON'T KNOW WHERE, THERE ALONG HERE, SO THERE'S A LARGE RADIUSES HERE, AND THEN ALSO SMOOTHER RADIUSES ALONG HERE.
SO I WOULD KNOW THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, THIS PAVEMENT THAT EXISTS TODAY IS ABOUT 50 FEET.
THE PAVEMENT FROM EDGE TO EDGE.
THIS ROAD TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S ABOUT 20 FEET, SO WHERE'S STILL PROPOSING TO REDUCE THAT WIDTH, BUT NOT SO MUCH AS THE RESIDENT STREET.
YOU CAN SEE HERE THE DIFFERENCE IS IN THIS IS A LITTLE BIT WIDER THAN THE RESIDENTIAL, AND THEN THIS IS THE AREA THAT'S 50 FEET WIDE.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU. THEN TROY IS PROBABLY A FOLLOW-UP ON THAT PARKING AGAIN, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF THIS BECAUSE MY SENSE IS THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A PARKING PROBLEM AT SOME POINT.
HAVE YOU GUYS HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE WHOLE FOODS PLAZA OR WHOEVER OWNS THAT PARTIAL AROUND SHARED PARKING AGREEMENTS FOR THE FUTURE?
I MEAN, WE DON'T THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM, BUT THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT OPTIONS HERE.
AND WHEN WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY, THE POSSIBILITIES FOR SHARED PARKING WITH FISHERMAN'S WHARF COMMERCIAL OR THE HOTEL, SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT, I GUESS, BALLET AS WELL, SO WE'RE NOT CONCERNED WITH THE PARKING AND ALSO WITH UBER AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
I MEAN, THERE'S THE BIG PERCENTAGE OF UBER RIDERS AS WELL.
>> OKAY. THANKS. LAST QUESTION ON PARKING.
I GUESS IF YOU HAD A RESTAURANT, IT'S GOING TO BE OPENED FOR LUNCH. NOT JUST FOR DINNER.
>> I'M SURE IT WOULD BE, YEAH.
>> OKAY. GOOD. THEN I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
I'M NOT SURE LIZZIE IT WAS IF IT'S YOU OR FOR ANYBODY ELSE, BUT I KNOW WE LEARNED A LOT OF LESSONS FROM THE HARBOR SIDE CHALLENGE.
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AND I'M JUST WONDERING FROM A NOISE STANDPOINT, I'M WONDERING IF WE TOOK ANY LESSONS FROM THAT EXPERIENCE AND TRIED TO BE PROACTIVE WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT TO MAKE SURE WE GOT AHEAD OF ANY POTENTIAL NOISE ISSUES.>> YEAH. THAT'S INITIALLY WHY WE SUGGESTED TO SWITCH THE USES, BUT WE DID ADD IN THE CONDITION THAT ANY OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES WOULD BE CLOSED AT 10:00 P.M. TO REDUCE THAT NOISE.
>> THERE ARE SPECIFIC NOISE LEVELS DURING OPERATIONS THAT I'M SURE THERE ARE.
>> THAT'S NEVER CHANGED AS A RESULT OF HARBOR SIDE.
THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE SAME IN THE CODE. THE NOISE LEVELS.
>> SOME OF THE ISSUES SURROUNDING HERBICIDE THEY HAD AN APPROVAL FOR AN OUTDOOR VENUE THAT ALLOWED THEM TO HAVE OUTDOOR AMPLIFICATION AND LIVE MUSIC PERFORMANCES WITH A NOISE STANDARD THAT WAS DIFFERENT THAN THE STANDARD CODES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THIS APPLICATION.
>> THAT'S ALL I HAD. THANK YOU.
>> YES. MY QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, THE BRIDGE CLOSERS, DO YOU SEE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE TRAFFIC AS FAR AS DOING THIS PROJECT WITH THE BRIDGE BEING OUT FOR ONE ANOTHER 19, 20 MONTHS?
>> NO, I DON'T THINK SO. I MEAN, EVEN AFTER APPROVAL IS STILL TAKES NINE MONTHS TO A YEAR TO EVEN GET YOUR PERMITS AND GET EVERYTHING GOING ON PROJECTS THESE DAYS, SO I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD IMPACT THIS PROJECT.
>> DO YOU SEE ANYTHING ELSE? I'VE HEARD A COUPLE OF MY COMMISSIONERS AND I SHARE THE SAME CONCERN.
THE CIRCULATION PROBLEM IN THE SENSE WHERE YOU'RE TURNING IN THERE.
I KNOW YOU SAID THERE'S ARROWS TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO CONFUSION, BUT I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT TRUCKS AND OTHER VEHICLES COMING IN.
I KNOW MYSELF SOMETIMES WHEN I'M TRYING TO MAKE A TURN THEM, IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING IF YOU'RE GOING IN AND ONE WAY AND YOU'RE GOING THE OTHER WAY, BECOMES A REAL NIGHTMARE.
DO YOU SEE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU CAN ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT CIRCULATION PROBLEM?
>> I THINK AGAIN, THAT STRIPING IN THE DIRECTIONAL STRIPING IN THE ROAD WILL HELP KEEP THE VEHICLES IN THE RIGHT LANE.
I THINK ONE OF THE RESIDENTS, IN THEIR LETTER TO THE TOWN SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT PUTTING SOME SIGNAGE ON THE PAVEMENT EXIT, ENTER.
AGAIN, WE'RE OPEN TO ANY IDEAS THAT THE TOWN ENGINEER MIGHT HAVE TO TRY TO HELP THE SITUATION.
>> I'M IN A SHOPPING CENTER FOR 25 YEARS, MAYBE 5, 6, 7 YEARS AGO, AND YET YOU NOTICE ON THE ROAD, THEY HAVE THE SAME THING GOING IN, ON THE STOP LIGHT.
ANYONE IN THAT. IT'S VERY EMBARRASSING, THEY GO OUT THE WRONG WAY AND I'M NOT SAYING IT DOESN'T HAPPEN EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.
BUT IT HAPPENS OVER THERE TOO.
IT'S NOT JUST HERE, JUST PEOPLE PAYING ATTENTION, JUST IN GENERAL, BUT WE'VE TRIED TO MAKE IT AS CLEAR AS POSSIBLE SO THAT WE CAN AVOID THAT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT'S AN ISSUE EVERYWHERE, NOT JUST HERE.
>> UNFORTUNATELY, THE TOWN ENGINEERS, STEPHANIE THORBURN, THE TOWN TRAFFIC ENGINEER, WASN'T ABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT.
BUT WE BROUGHT THIS ITEM UP FOR HIS ATTENTION.
ONE OF THE THINGS IN ADDITION, HE SUGGESTED THE PAVEMENT STRIPING, BUT HE ALSO SUGGESTED THAT IF YOU PUT UP SIGNAGE THAT SAYS KEEP RIGHT, SO THAT'S A SIMPLE FIXES TO PUT UP A SIGN THAT SAYS KEEP BRIGHT.
>> OKAY. I'VE A QUESTION FOR OUR ATTORNEY HERE.
THE SIDEWALK WHERE THEY SAID THEY DON'T WANT TO BUILD ON THE SIDEWALK ON THE WEST SIDE.
WHAT IS THE STATUE? HOW DOES THAT READ AS FAR AS FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, THEY DON'T OWN THE LAND AND THEY'RE SAYING THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO PUT THE SIDEWALK UP.
>> SO FOR THE CODE [INAUDIBLE] .
>> THERE IS THE SIDEWALK STANDARD THAT REQUIRES SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF A ROADWAY.
BUT THE SECTION I'M LOOKING AT, PAGE 1-5, BELOW THE HALFWAY MARK WHERE IT SAYS NORTHERN SIDEWALK CONNECTION.
THERE IS A PROVISION IN THE CODE IN SECTION 25-128 THAT ALLOWS FOR THE TOWN ENGINEER ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS TO ISSUE A WAIVER OR TO WAIVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR THAT SIDEWALK ON BOTH SIDES.
THE TOWN ENGINEER WAS SUPPORTIVE OF NOT REQUIRING THE SIDEWALK BE ADDED ON THAT WEST SIDE.
HOWEVER, BECAUSE THIS IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION AND
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IT'S GOING THROUGH THE FULL PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS, HE'S REALLY DEFERRING THAT FINAL DETERMINATION TO THE TOWN COUNCIL AS PART OF THIS REVIEW PROCESS.>> I'VE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY PLANS ON PUTTING ANY CHARGING STATIONS INS FOR THE SPACES.
>> YES. AT THIS POINT, WE DON'T SHOW ANY, BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE'S WOULD BE VERY EASY TO ADD, ESPECIALLY IF THE RESTAURANT USER WANTED TO PUT THOSE IN.
>> THAT'S IT FOR NOW. THANK YOU.
>> EXCUSE ME. QUESTION FOR STAFF.
ON PAGE 1.5, UNDER APPLICANT ISSUES, IT SAYS THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED STAFF WITH CORRESPONDENCE FROM THE PRESIDENT OF THE WATERS EDGE WHO IS NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THE CHANGE CONCEPTUALLY.
BUT I'M HEARING FROM THE APPLICANT THAT THEY ARE, BUT THIS IS FROM THE HOA PRESIDENT.
ARE THERE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN NOT MENTIONED HERE THAT THE APPLICANT IS BROUGHT UP, THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS QUESTIONS OF; ARE THERE OTHER ITEMS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN MENTIONED THAT HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT?
>> THIS APPLICANT ISSUE SECTION IS ONLY WITH THE NARROWING OF THE ROADWAY.
IT'S NOT ABOUT THE WHOLE APPLICATION.
THAT WAS THE PRESIDENT. SINCE THEN WE THEN SPOKE TO SOME MORE PEOPLE AND THEY WERE A LITTLE BIT MORE RECEPTIVE.
THAT WAS THE EMAIL THAT WAS SENT OUT YESTERDAY.
>> THIS SHOULD BE THEY ARE RECEPTIVE, NOT RECEPTIVE HERE IT SAYS.
>> THIS WAS INITIALLY THAT THEY WERE NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THE CONCEPTUAL CHANGE.
>> BUT NOW THEY ARE. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?
>> THEY'RE MORE OPEN TO LOOKING AT IT FURTHER.
I THINK THEY STILL HAVE RESERVATIONS ABOUT THE NARROWING.
THEY DIDN'T WANT THE SIDEWALK IN THAT AREA.
OUR INTENTION WAS TO HAVE THE SIDEWALK CONNECTED UP TO THE CIRCLE FROM THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE CIRCLE.
THERE'S CONTINUITY BETWEEN THE ACCESS BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL USES INTO THAT PARKING THAT'S ON THAT WEST SIDE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
WE DID NOTE ON THE STAFF REPORT THAT THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS IN WATERS EDGE OF STATES.
HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO EXTEND A SIDEWALK ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD WAY UP TO THEIR PROPERTY LINE, APPROXIMATELY WHERE THE GATE IS LOCATED.
>> FOR THE APPLICANT, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY HE DIDN'T WANT TO PUT THE SIDEWALK IN WAS BECAUSE OF THE PALM TREES THAT YOU HAD THERE?
>> YES. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SPACE RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S EVEN WITH MOVING THE PARKING BACK I THINK WE GET MAYBE 12 FEET AND THERE'S A GRADE CHANGE.
THERE'S 12 OR 18 INCHES WHERE DOES SLOPE UP IN THAT 10 FEET.
THERE'S ALSO A ROYAL PALMS THAT ARE IN THAT AREA.
>> YEAH. SO THE PROBLEM IS THOSE ROYAL PALMS ARE CENTERED IN AT 10 FEET IF WE'RE PUTTING A [INAUDIBLE] WALK.
IT REALLY DOESN'T WORK WITH THOSE.
>> YOU DON'T SEE A WAY THAT YOU COULD PUT THE SIDEWALK IN AND STILL HAVE THOSE REMAIN IN PLACE?
>> THE ONLY WAY TO WORK IS WITH THE SKETCH THAT LIZZIE PUT UP THERE WHERE YOU'RE BASICALLY PUTTING THE SIDEWALK INTO THE ROAD ITSELF, AND SO YOU PUT THE REDUCING WIDTH LIKE EVERYBODY PUT.
>> AS FAR AS THE TOTAL NUMBER OF SPACES THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED FOR THE OFFICE AND THE RESTAURANT.
WHAT TOTAL WAS THAT? THE COMBINED TOTAL?
>> I'M SORRY, PAGE 1-9 INCLUDES THE TABLE WITH THE SHARED PARKING.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE CENTER COLUMN WITH THE TIMES ON WEEKDAYS FROM 6:00 PM TO MIDNIGHT, THERE'S A NEED FOR 198 SPACES.
SO THEY'RE MAKING THAT THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES BASED ON THE SHARED PARKING CONCEPT.
IS THAT CORRECT? BECAUSE I'M HEARING THAT 63 FOR THE OFFICE SPACE AT 23 FOR THE RESTAURANT.
OR 33 UNDERGROUND PARKING; IS THAT CORRECT?
>> YEAH, 23 ON UNDERGROUND PROVIDED FOR UNDER THE OFFICE.
YOU GET THE REMAINDER FROM THE SHARED PARKING; IS THAT RIGHT?
>> AS FAR AS PARKING PROVIDED, THERE'S 114 SPACES TOTAL ON THE EASTERN PARCEL AND I THINK WE THEN HAVE 64 SPACES PROVIDED ON THE WESTERN.
THAT GIVES YOU THE TOTAL OF THE 201 SPACES PROVIDED.
>> OKAY. AS FAR AS THE SHARED PARKING THAT YOU HOPE TO GET IF YOU NEEDED, THAT WOULD BE FROM THE ADJACENT?
>> NO. THE SHARED PARKING IF YOU LOOK AT THE TABLE THAT'S ON THIS SHARED ON SP1.
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IT LOOKS AT PEAK PERIODS AT DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE DAY AND THE HIGHEST POINT WHEN YOU UTILIZE SHARED PARKING, BASICALLY, WHERE WE'RE SHARING BETWEEN THE PROPOSED OFFICE AND THE PROPOSED RESTAURANT OF JUST THIS PARCEL, NO ONE ELSE.AT THE PEAK PERIOD WHICH IS 6:00 PM TO MIDNIGHT, YOU NEED 198 SPACES.
WHAT THAT IS SAYING, THAT 100% OF THE RESTAURANT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE PARKED FROM 6:00 TO MIDNIGHT.
BUT ONLY 10% OF THE OFFICE BECAUSE SINCE THE OFFICE IS CLOSED.
THAT'S WHAT GIVES YOU THE 198 SPACES, WHICH IS SHARED GIG IN.
JUST ON THIS PLAN WE'RE NOT SHOWING SHARED PARKING WITH THE HOTEL OR ANY OF THE COMMERCIAL USES, JUST THESE TWO PARCELS.
>> BUT THAT WAS SHARED WITHOUT THE UNDERGROUND SPOTS, CORRECT?
>> WELL, IT INCLUDES THOSE SPACES, CORRECT.
WELL, THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE TOTAL OF 201 PROVIDED.
>> BUT I THOUGHT YOU HAD SAID THAT THIS WOULD NOT BE AVAILABLE TO RESTAURANT PATRONS.
>> THERE COULD BE THAT THEY WOULDN'T BECAUSE THEY'RE UNDERNEATH THE OFFICE BUILDING ITSELF.
>> YOU REALLY ONLY HAVE, WHAT WAS IT? TWO OR THREE PROVIDED PARKING MINUS THE, HOW MANY WERE GOING TO BE IN THE UNDERNEATH?
>> TWENTY THREE. SO YOU REALLY ONLY HAVE 180 AND YET YOU'RE SHOWING.
>> YEAH, THAT JUST BUSTED THEIR PROPOSAL.
>> THEY CANNOT RESERVE PARKING SPACES IF THEY'RE UTILIZING SHARED PARKING.
THERE IS A PROHIBITION FROM ANY RESERVATION.
>> SO THE UNDERGROUND WOULD HAVE TO BE AVAILABLE. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?
>> YES. BUT THEY'VE REPRESENTED IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SO THEY'RE NOT MEETING THE PARKING THAT WE WERE NOT AWARE OF THIS.
>> I'M SORRY, JOHN, WOULD YOU SAY THAT AGAIN, PLEASE? ONE MORE TIME, PLEASE.
>> IF THE 23 SPACES UNDER THE OFFICE BUILDING ARE NOT GOING TO BE ACCESSIBLE, THEY CANNOT BE CALCULATED AS PART OF THE SHARED PARKING BECAUSE THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY RESERVED SPACES AND UNAVAILABLE FOR SHARING.
SO THERE NEEDS TO BE A CONDITION THAT REQUIRES THAT THEY BE OPEN TO ACCESS DURING ALL BUSINESS HOURS OR THEY NEED TO REDUCE THEIR INTENSITY OF USE NOT TO RELY ON THE SPACES.
>> IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO ON STAFFING OR SOMETHING TO ADD TO THAT PROVISION?
>> YES. ONE OR THE OTHER NEEDS TO OCCUR.
>> WHAT IT'S SHOWING IS THE EVENINGS.
RATHER, ITS WEEKDAY OR WEEKEND IS 198 OR 194.
YOU SUBTRACT OUT A FEW FOR THE PROFESSIONAL OFFICE, WHICH IS NOT VERY MANY, AND YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH.
>> THE OFFICE PARKING IS GOING TO HAVE TO JUST HAVE AN ACCESS POINT THAT ALLOWS THEM TO GET OUT TO THE PLAZA SO THEY CAN PARK UNDERNEATH THE OFFICE.
>> BUT I'M SAYING IT ALSO NEEDS TO BE AVAILABLE TO RESTAURANT PATRONS [OVERLAPPING] BASED ON THE NUMBER OF SPACES.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WHAT I'M SAYING IS THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO BUILD A PARK UNDERNEATH AND BE ABLE TO WALK UPSTAIRS AND COME OUT OF THE PLAZA AND NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE OFFICE BUILDING TO GET OUT.
>> THERE IS A WAY FOR THAT TO OCCUR?
THE ARCHITECT IS NOT HERE AND I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND.
COMMISSIONER DUNNING HAS THE FLOOR, SO WE'LL COME BACK TO MORE QUESTIONS AFTER EVERYBODY GETS A CHANCE TO ASK THEIR QUESTION.
>> GOOD QUESTIONS. I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT.
>> YOU WERE ON PARKING. [LAUGHTER]
>> YOU SAID YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE VALET PARKING TO HELP.
>> CORRECT. ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL IS TO HAVE A VALET PARKING PLAN.
>> THE ARCHITECTURAL IMPROVEMENTS, THEY TALKED ABOUT THE ROOFTOP.
I GUESS THE BOTTOM LINE IS, EVERYTHING THAT THE STAFF HAS SAID, FURTHER CONDITIONS FOR APPROVAL, WHICH ONES ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU DON'T AGREE WITH AND WILL NOT DO?
>> SO YOU'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING THAT THE STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL?
>> YES. THE ONLY ONE WAS JUST TO CLARIFY THAT ONE CONDITION 8B, AND IT WAS THE ONLY CONDITION THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH.
WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT WAS CLEAR.
>> WE WERE AGREEABLE TO CLARIFYING THAT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
>> I HAVE NO QUESTIONS. WE CAN GO TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? [NOISE] HOLD ON.
>> CAN I ASK A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION?
>> THERE ARE NO [OVERLAPPING] PUBLIC COMMENTS.
>> THANK YOU. LET'S TAKE IT BACK.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE?
>> YES. I JUST HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION.
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BUT THIS IS A VERY TIGHT FIT IN THIS PARTICULAR PLOT, THIS RESTAURANT.WHERE ARE THE TRASH DUMPSTERS BEING PLACED, AND UPON COMING IN A CHENEY BROTHERS TRUCK, WHERE AM I PULLING UP TO?
>> THEY'RE PULLING RIGHT INTO, LET ME GO TO THAT SLIDE.
THEY'LL COME IN THE MAIN DRIVE AND PULL RIGHT UP IN FRONT OF THE SERVICE AREA.
THE SMALLER TRUCKS CAN PULL INTO.
THIS IS TOTALLY GATED AND CLOSED, BUT THE SMALLER TRUCKS CAN PULL IN OR THEY CAN PULL IN FRONT.
THEN THEY'LL LOOP OUT OF THE PARKING LOT AND THEN EXIT BACK THE WAY THEY CAME OUT THIS.
>> [INAUDIBLE] ASKING ABOUT THE TRASHCAN [INAUDIBLE].
>> OH, NO, SERVICE, WELL, WE [INAUDIBLE] THE MASSES SERVICE, AND THEN WE HAVE, THE TRASH, THE COMPACTOR IS LOCATED RIGHT HERE AT THIS POINT RIGHT BY THE BRIDGE.
ALL THE TRASH AND DISPOSAL WILL BE CARTED OVER TO THIS POINT.
>> IT'S OVER BY THE OFFICE BUILDING?
>> CORRECT? THE RESTAURANT, ALL THEIR GARBAGE WILL GO THERE AS WELL.
>> COMMISSIONER KIM, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
>> I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN VAGUE, HAVEN'T COME UP WITH AN IDEA ON THE RESTAURANT.
BUT I'VE SEEN, EVEN WITH OVERSIGHT, RESTAURANTS HAVE MOVED THE DEVELOPMENT.
I WAS CURIOUS IF YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS.
ANY IDEAS OF WHAT KIND OF RESTAURANT YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IN THERE? IT'S AN OCEANFRONT PROPERTY ALSO.
>> IT'S NOT OCEANFRONT. IT'S WATERFRONT.
>> WELL, ANY IDEA OF WHO WANTS TO PAY RENT? [LAUGHTER] HONESTLY, THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT WERE INTERESTED. WE HAD ONE TENANT.
IT WAS GOING TO BE MORE LIKE A 1000 NORTH RESTAURANT WITH ITALIAN FOOD AS WELL.
BUT AT THIS MOMENT, I DON'T HAVE A TENANT, SO I DON'T KNOW.
BUT OBVIOUSLY, IT'S GOING TO BE SOMEBODY THEY CAN SERVE GOOD QUALITY FOOD AND GOOD SERVICE, AND HOPEFULLY, A NICE MENU.
BUT I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY IN PARTICULAR TODAY THAT I CAN SAY HERE WE GO.
BUT WE'RE TALKING TO A VARIETY OF PEOPLE.
>> THAT'S IT FOR NOW. THANK YOU.
>> WELL, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE NEED OFFICE SPACE HERE IN JUPITER.
THAT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD, SO THAT'S A GOOD THING.
RIDING BY AND LOOKING AT IT, [LAUGHTER] I'M REALLY AMAZED THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO FIT EVERYTHING IN HERE.
THAT YOUR SIGNATURE FIT IN HERE, BUT WHAT YOU'VE PUT IN HERE CERTAINLY REALLY DOES LOOK VERY NICE.
I DIDN'T HEAR A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS AND IT SEEMS LIKE MOST OF THEM WERE CONCERNS THAT YOU'VE TAKEN CARE OF, WHICH IS GOOD.
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ANSWERED ALL THE STAFF'S CONCERNS AND YOU'RE GOING TO WORK WITH THEM ON THAT, SO GOOD
>> ONE MORE THING, ON THIS COVERED DELIVERY AREA, WHEN I LOOK AT THE DIMENSIONS OF IT, I THINK OF THE ONE TIME I DROVE A U-HAUL AND HOW HARD IT WAS.
TO MAKE THAT TURN, IT'S LIKE THEN THEY HAVE TO BACK OUT AGAIN, OR THEY HAVE TO SOMEHOW, I'M LOOKING AT THE RESTAURANT BUILDING FIRST-LEVEL FLOOR PLAN.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'D BE REALLY TOUGH TO MAKE THOSE FOOD DELIVERIES.
>> NO. IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PLAN, MORE THAN LIKELY, THEY'LL COME IN STRAIGHT INTO THE ROUNDABOUT AND THEY'LL PULL RIGHT UP IN FRONT OF THE SERVICE.
THEY'LL UNLOAD, AND THEN THEY'LL JUST CIRCULATE RIGHT BACK THROUGH THE PARKING LOT AND EXIT.
THOSE CHENEY BROTHER TRUCKS, THEY'RE NOT FULL-SIZED TRAILERS.
THEY'RE VERY SMALL. THEY CIRCULATE THROUGH REGULAR-SIZED PARKING LOTS ALL DAY LONG.
>> CISCO HAS BIG TRUCKS THOUGH.
>> CISCO, THEY HAVE THE SMALL ONE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT SIZE TRAILERS THEY ARE, BUT THEY'RE NOT 53-FOOT. THEY'RE SMALLER.
>> BUT THE WAY THIS IS SHOWING, THERE'S A COVERED DELIVERY AREA BETWEEN THE LANDSCAPE AREA AND THE RESTAURANT ITSELF. FURTHER UP.
>> CAN YOU JUST ZOOM IN TO [INAUDIBLE]?
[OVERLAPPING] I GUESS I CAN DO THE [INAUDIBLE].
>> I'M WONDERING, IF CISCO'S GOING TO NEED TO COME ON THIS SIDE TO BE ABLE TO TURN AROUND, THEN WHY DO YOU NEED THIS?
I MEAN, A TYPICAL SERVICE AREA FOR RESTAURANTS. THERE'S CAN WASH.
>> NO, THIS IS COVERED DELIVERY AREA.
>> YES. CORRECT. ALL THE PRODUCTS CAN BE TAKEN OFF THE TRUCK AND THEY BRING IT INTO THAT SERVICE AREA, BUT THEN, IN THAT SERVICE AREA,
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THEY USUALLY HAVE CAN-WASH AREAS.THEY'RE STORING FOOD. I MEAN, NOT FOOD, BUT THEY'RE STORING RESTAURANT ITEMS IN THOSE AREAS.
I'VE NEVER WORKED AT A RESTAURANT.
>> I THINK SHE'S TALKING ABOUT WHY THEY COVERED.
THEN YOUR QUESTION, WHY THEY COVERED?
>> WHAT'S GOING ON IN THAT SERVICE AREA?
>> WHAT IS THE POINT OF THAT DELIVERY AREA? IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE SPACE TO WIDEN THINGS IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO BLOCK THAT OFF WITH THAT LANDSCAPING IF THE TRUCKS AREN'T GOING TO GO IN THERE ANYWAY.
MOST RESTAURANTS HAVE A SERVICE AREA, AGAIN, WHERE THE PRODUCT IS STORED [INAUDIBLE] AS WELL.
THE TRUCK THERE NEED THE DOORWAY.
THERE'S SERVICE AREAS GOING INTO THE KITCHEN, INTO THE BACK.
LIKE I SAID, THEY USUALLY PROVIDE A CAN-WASH AREA.
IT'S LIKE BACK A HOUSE OF THE RESTAURANT.
IT CAN BE DIRTY AND NOISY AND THEY USUALLY SCREEN IT OFF FROM THE PUBLIC.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I ACTUALLY HAVE QUESTIONS NOW.
THE DUMPSTER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY IS THAT SERVICING BOTH THE OFFICE BUILDING AND THE RESTAURANT?
>> YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE THE FOOD WASTES FROM THE RESTAURANT ALL THE WAY OVER THERE TO DISPOSE OF IT?
>> IS THERE A CARDBOARD DUMPSTER AND A GARBAGE DUMPSTER?
>> I HAVE EXPERIENCED IN RESTAURANTS.
[LAUGHTER] SO I'M GOING TO SAY THAT THAT'S PROBABLY A VERY IMPRACTICAL PLACE TO PUT IT ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE CARRYING BIG BAGS, OR MOST RESTAURANTS DON'T HAVE CARTS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PUT YOUR TRASH AND GO UNLOAD IT.
THEY DO DO A LOT OF CARDBOARD AS WELL AS CANS RECYCLING, THE ABILITY TO RECYCLE CANS, BUT TO HAVE THE DUMPSTER FOR THE RESTAURANT ALL THE WAY OVER THERE IS NOT A PRACTICAL SOLUTION FOR THAT.
AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED FROM MY EXPERIENCE, IT'S A LOT OF WASTED TRIPS.
>> IT'S EXACTLY THE WAY LUCKY SHUCK IS.
THEY HAVE A VERY LONG DISTANCE, I THINK THEY ACTUALLY HAVE LONGER 1,000 NORTH[OVERLAPPING].
>> I WASN'T HERE WHEN THAT GOT APPROVED.
>> THOUSAND NORTH ALSO AND THEIR DUMPSTER IS SEPARATED QUITE AWAY FROM THE RESTAURANT AS WELL, SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE WORKED.
>> THE DUMPSTER AT 1,000 NORTH IS?
>> BECAUSE IT WHEN IT WHEN IT WAS KEVIN CHARLIE'S, IT WAS RIGHT BEHIND THE RESTAURANT.
>> NO, THE COMPACTER IS MIDWAY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARKING LOT TOWARDS THE ENTRANCE OF [INAUDIBLE]
>> YEAH, HE WAS HERE WITH US. GOT APPROVED EITHER.
>> BUT IT SUPPOSEDLY IT WORKS, THEY SAY IT WORKS WELL.
>> THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTIONS.
I'LL GO TO COMMENTS NOW AND DELIBERATION.
DOES ANYBODY WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON?
>> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE ONE COMMENT I SHOULD HAVE MADE EARLIER.
THE PARKING IS CONCERN FOR ME AND ON THAT, BUT IF WE CAN GET THROUGH STAFF'S PLAN AND ADD THAT TO IT THEN THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE.
>> I'M GOING TO JUST SAY RIGHT AFTER THAT I'M NOT A FAN OF IT.
I'M NOT A FAN OF THE OUTDOOR DINING NEXT TO THE RESIDENTIAL, I THINK IT'S A HUGE GAMBLE TO THINK THAT WE DIDN'T LEARN OUR LESSONS FROM HARBORSIDE.
AMBIENT OUTSIDE NOISE, I PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE AS BIG A PROBLEM IF IT WERE AN ENCLOSED RESTAURANT AND SMALLER BUT I GET THE IDEA THAT YOU WANT TO BE OUTDOORS BECAUSE IT'S ON THE WATER, BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT'S HAVING COMMERCIAL BUSINESS THAT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO HAVE, YOU DON'T KNOW WHO'S GOING TO GO IN THERE, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO WANT FOR ENTERTAINMENT, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT ALL OF THAT CAN BE MITIGATED.
BUT THE JUST THE CLINKING OF GLASSES AND SILVERWARE AND PEOPLE TALKING AND LAUGHING CAN CARRY ESPECIALLY ON THE WATER AND WHEN HARBORSIDE PROPOSED THE OUTDOOR DINING AS PART OF THEIR SETTLEMENT, THAT WAS A BIG RED HERRING THAT NOBODY REALLY WANTED TO DO, SO TO PUT THIS RIGHT NEXT TO THE HOMES IS A BIG ISSUE FOR ME.
I DON'T KNOW HOW ANYBODY ELSE WHO HAS PART OF IT.
ANYBODY WANT TO HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT PART? COMMISSIONER KAREN, DO YOU WANT TO?
>> YEAH. I LIVE JUST SOUTH OF GARLAND PARK, SO WE DRIVE THIS ROUTE EVERY DAY, SEVERAL TIMES A DAY.
I AGREE THAT WE NEED MORE RESTAURANTS WITH WATERFRONT AREA.
I AM SYMPATHETIC TOWARDS [OVERLAPPING].
>> DO WE NEED THEM OR DO WE WANT THEM?
>> SORRY. IF WE WANT THE PEOPLE COMING INTO OUR COMMUNITY WHO ARE GOING TO SPEND
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$10 MILLION ON A HOME AND PAYS REAL ESTATE TAXES THAT WE GET, WE'RE GOING TO NEED THEM.THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PUT UP WITH A TWO-HOUR WAIT.
THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S EVERYONE'S OPINION AND I'M CERTAINLY NOT FOOLISH ENOUGH TO THINK THAT EVERYONE SHARES THAT OPINION.
BUT I WOULD RATHER HAVE THAT A RESTAURANT HERE THAN ONE THAT SERVES FOUR-DOLLAR BEERS.
TO ME IT'S A GOOD RESTAURANT SPOT.
>> YOU DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO BE A FOUR-DOLLAR BEER JOINT.
[LAUGHTER] I DON'T KNOW THAT [OVERLAPPING] WE CAN CONTROL THAT, BUT ANYBODY THAT'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO PAY THE RENT, IN THIS PLACE IS GOING TO HAVE TO ALSO CHARGE A LOT OF MONEY.
>> DOING THAT PART OF THE [INAUDIBLE].
>> I UNDERSTAND, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY MORE DELIBERATING ON THE ROAD HAVING DISCUSSION ON THAT QUESTIONS.
>> YES. I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF THE BEST USE FOR THIS SITE.
I LIKE THE OFFICE, I THINK THERE IS OBVIOUSLY A NEED FOR OFFICE IN THE AREA.
I THINK WE'VE ADDRESSED THE PARKING WITH THE VALET BACKUP PLAN THAT IF THERE BECOMES A PROBLEM AND I'M WILLING TO TALK ABOUT THE NOISE ISSUE.
BUT I THINK WITH HARBORSIDE ACROSS THE WAY AND THE BRIDGE OPENINGS, I THINK THESE LAND OWNERS AND RESIDENCES MUST KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE NOISE IN THEIR BACKYARD, WHETHER IT'S FROM THE BRIDGE, WHETHER IT'S FROM HARBOR SIDE ALREADY.
I DON T KNOW THAT INCREMENTALLY THIS IS GOING TO EXACERBATE THAT OR MAKE IT WORSE.
I'M NOT FIXED MY POSITION, I APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT RECONSIDERING.
>> YEAH, COMMISSIONER KEN, DO YOU HAVE ANY?
>> IN AN IDEAL WORLD, YOU WOULD SAY JUST AN INDOOR RESTAURANT, NO OUTDOOR, OFFICE BUILDING FINE.
BUT YOU HAVEN'T REALLY GOOD POINT THAT YOU'RE ON THE WATER, YOU'RE IN AN AREA OF WHERE THERE ARE OTHER RESTAURANTS OR THE WATER.
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE RESIDENCES HAVE COME TO EXPECT THIS.
THEY'VE KNOWN ABOUT IT FROM DAY ONE WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY AND OTHER RESTAURANT BEING PLANNED, SO IT'S NOT A SHOCK TO THE SYSTEM.
I THINK IT'S REALLY WELL DESIGNED.
IT'S A LITTLE TIGHT, BUT IT'S REASONABLY WELL DESIGNED.
I THINK THE PARKING SPACE ISSUE REALLY HAS TO BE HAMMERED OUT BECAUSE THAT'S VERY UNSETTLED.
BUT OTHERWISE, I'M FINE WITH THOSE ASTERISKS.
>> I THINK IT CAN BE BETTER DESIGNED TO ME. COMMISSIONER PATEL?
>> I AGREE WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER [INAUDIBLE] SAID AND SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS.
BUT I THINK AS I SIT HERE AS PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD COMMISSIONER, I THINK A LOT OF THE WORK HAS TO BE DONE BY THE TOWN COUNCIL BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE CAN DECIDE ON.
>> WE'RE HERE TO MAKE RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN COUNCIL.
WE'RE NOT HERE TO PROVE ANYTHING.
WE'RE RECOMMENDING WHETHER WE SHOULD GO WITH WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING OR IF WE WANT TO RECOMMEND CHANGES TO THAT.
>> I SEE A LOT OF POSITIVES AND SEE NEGATIVES, SO I JUST THINK A LOT OF THE PROJECTS THAT COME BEFORE US SO JUST RIGHT NOW I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S POINT.
>> WELL, I CAME IN HERE AND LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY FROM THE WATER AND ALSO THERE AND I THOUGHT THAT'S GOING TO BE REALLY TIGHT, AND I DON'T THINK I WAS FOR IT ORIGINALLY.
BUT LISTENING TO WHAT I HEARD TODAY, AND IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY NICE PLACE.
THE ONLY A CONCERN I HAD IS WITH THE PARKING AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.
THE PARKING AND GETTING IN AND OUT.
[NOISE] SORRY, BUT I'M GOING TO GIVE MYSELF AWAY HERE.
I SEE NOTHING ACCOUNTING FOR PARKING FOR HAPPY HOUR FROM 4-6.
THERE'S HARDLY A RESTAURANT AROUND THAT DOESN'T HAVE A HAPPY HOUR.
AND I DON'T THINK THIS ONE WILL BE ANY DIFFERENT.
IT'S A BIG DRAW FOR MANY PEOPLE IN.
THAT PARKING IS NOT EVEN ACCOUNTED FOR IN THESE THINGS.
LIKE I SAID, I'D BE SURPRISED IF THEY DIDN'T BRING PEOPLE IN FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE GARBAGE, I AGREE FULLY OF WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO HANDLE THAT AND THIS COVERED DELIVERY AREA, IT'S STILL EVEN AFTER WHAT THIS GENTLEMAN HAD TO SAY, I DON'T SEE IT AS A GOOD USE OF SPACE.
I DON'T KNOW IF GARBAGE COULD GO IN THERE, BUT THEN OF COURSE YOU COULD HAVE THE ODORS AND THAT'S RIGHT BY THE FRONT DOOR THAT COVERED DELIVERY AREA.
BUT IF THE BIG TRUCK IS GOING TO HAVE TO GO ON THE FAR SIDE, ON THE LANDSCAPE SIDE, THEN THAT SEEMS TO BE ODD TO ME.
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I THINK LIKE YOU SAID, VALET, BUT WHERE DOES THE VALET PARK THE CARS? THOSE CARS ARE STILL THERE.IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHERE THEY GO.
>> EVERYBODY LIKES TO SAY UBER IS AN OPTION, BUT UBER IS A CAR TOO AND THEY HAVE TO PARK SOMEWHERE, AND THEY'RE GOING TO SIT AND WAIT FOR OTHER PEOPLE OR CIRCLE AROUND WAITING FOR A FAIR.
>> I THINK THE VALET IDEA WOULD BE THAT THEY WOULD PARK IN AN ADJACENT LOT AND NOT ON THESE LOTS, BUT IN FRONT OF THE OTHER BUILDING, THE OTHER RETAIL BUILDING, AND THEN THE VALET PEOPLE WOULD BE THE ONES RUNNING BACK AND FORTH AND BRINGING THE CAR SO IT'S NOT THE VALET. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THERE'S RETAIL STORES OR A MATTRESS STORE OR SOMETHING. THAT'S RIGHT THERE.
>> ANYWAY THERE'S A BIG PARKING FIELD IN BETWEEN THAT AND THE FRESH MARKET.
THAT'S WHY I ASKED ABOUT IF THEY'VE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT SHARED PARKING IN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE A PATRON, YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO PARK THERE.
BUT IF I DRIVE MY CAR OFF AND IT'S A VALET, I DON'T CARE.
THAT PERSON HAS TO RUN 100 YARDS TO GET MY CAR.
THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT, IS THEY WOULD PARK THOSE CARS SOMEWHERE WHERE THE PATRONS WOULDN'T BE FAMILIAR, BUT IT CREATES ADDITIONAL CAPACITY FOR THEM TO DO IT.
THAT'S WHY I SAID IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'VE ALREADY MADE PROVISION THAT THEY WOULD HAVE A VALET PLAN THAT THEY CAN PULL OFF THE SHELF IF THEY BECAME A PARKING ISSUE THAT WE AS THE TOWN, COULD FORCE THEM TO IMPLEMENT THAT.
THAT WAS MY PARKING [INAUDIBLE]
>> I THINK IT WAS LOTS THAT THEY COULD PROBABLY DEVELOP A PLAN WITH, AND THEY WOULD NEED TO SIGN-OFF OBVIOUSLY, BUT THERE ARE A FEW [INAUDIBLE] DOWN THE ROAD.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT AS CONDITION IF THAT GETS SIGNED OFF ON BECAUSE WHEN I'VE BEEN TO FRESH MARKET, IT DOES PRETTY GOOD BUSINESS.
>> I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT TOO. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THERE WAS A RESTAURANT THERE TOO.
>> THAT EXACT SAME ISSUE BECAUSE WE SHOP THERE FREQUENTLY AS WELL AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT TAILS OFF A DISH IN THE EVENING.
I'M THINKING THAT'S WHEN THIS PLACE IF IT DOES BECOME A LITTLE MORE ACTIVE, WILL HAVE MOST OF THEIR SEATING.
BUT I THINK THERE'S ALSO SOME RETAIL IN-BETWEEN THE FRESH MARKET AND THE MATTRESS STORE THAT WOULD BE EMPTIED OUT AFTER FIVE O'CLOCK.
>> THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME UP WITH AN AGREEMENT ON THAT.
>> BUT THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS TONIGHT, SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO MEET THAT.
>> WELL, THEY'D HAVE TO MOVE FURTHER.
>> WELL, THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE IT.
>> IT'S A CONDITION OF THE TOWN STAFF THAT IS REQUIRED.
THAT THERE IS A VALET PLAN THAT'S GOT TO BE SUBMITTED AS PART OF THIS SO WE CAN TRIGGER.
>> THEY WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE OFF-SITE THOUGH.
>> IT'S NOT SHARED VALET PARKING ON THE OFF-SITE.
IT'S THEY HAVE TO HAVE A VALET PARKING PLAN ON THEIR SITE.
IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING?
>> YEAH, AND THEY'RE GOING TO RESERVE SPACES ON-SITE OR CONTEMPLATE ANY TYPE OF DAGGLE STACKING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
>> THEY WILL NEED TO SHOW HOW THAT'S GOING TO OPERATE AND NOT IMPACT THE SITE CIRCULATION AND SAFETY, FIRE RESCUE AND ALL.
I PRESUMED THAT IT WOULD BE OFF-SITE SOMEWHERE.
>> I HEAR A LOT OF AMBIVALENCE.
DOES ANYBODY WANT TO TAKE A STAB AT CRAFTING A MOTION?
>> I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE SUBJECT TO STAFF RECONCILING SOME PARKING ISSUES THAT WERE DISCUSSED IN OUR DISCUSSIONS TONIGHT FIRST TIME. [OVERLAPPING]
>> COULD YOU SPEAK CLOSER TO THE MIC, PLEASE?
>> I'M SORRY. MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION SUBJECT TO STAFF RESOLVING THE ISSUES THAT REMAIN PENDING WITH RESPECT TO PARKING.
THOSE ISSUES WERE DISCUSSED TONIGHT WITHOUT ELABORATING.
>> ALL THE OTHER CONDITIONS THAT STAFF HAS PUT IN ALSO.
>> AND EXISTING CONDITIONS STATED TONIGHT.
>> ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION?
>> DID YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING ABOUT THE TRASH WORKING ON? NO?
>> DO YOU WANT TO PULL ALL THAT DIAS? VANESSA, CAN YOU PULL THE DIAS FOR THEIR VOTE ON THE MOTION.
>> [INAUDIBLE], HOW DO YOU VOTE?
>> COMMISSIONER CALEB, HOW DO YOU VOTE?
>> THANK YOU. MOTION PASSES 3-2.
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MOVING ON. WE ARE GOING TO.I WENT TO PUBLIC SCHOOL. WHERE ARE WE? NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS OUR MEDICAL CENTER ZONING DISTRICT, FRONT SETBACK REDUCTION.
[5.B.2. MEDICAL CENTER ZONING DISTRICT FRONT SETBACK REDUCTION – Zoning text amendment to the Medical Center (MC) Zoning District, Section 27-964, entitled “Area and dimension regulations”, to reduce the front setback for parking garages from 50 to 40 feet adjacent to S. Old Dixie Highway for properties with a hospital master plan. (PZ 22-5434)]
WE'LL HERE FROM MR. GEORGE.>> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.
VERY GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL FOR THE RECORD.
MY NAME IS GEORGE MIDSUMMER WITH [INAUDIBLE] HEARING HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
I'M GOING TO APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE IF YOU CATCH ME YAWNING.
MY WIFE RECENTLY DELIVERED OUR FIRST CHILD A COUPLE OF WEEKS, IT'S A GIRL.
>> HOW BIG? HOW LONG? HOW [INAUDIBLE] YOU ASK WHEN YOU HAVE.
>> SEVEN POUNDS, NINE OUNCES, AND TWO-AND-A-HALF INCHES LONG.
>> THANK YOU. WE'RE VERY EXCITED.
I'M SURE YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH OUR TEAM HERE TONIGHT TALKING ABOUT ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT.
WHILE WE'RE HERE WE'RE APPLYING FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SECTION 27-964 MEDICAL CENTER DISTRICT CODE FOR ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS FOR PARKING GARAGES, FOR FURTHER FRONT SETBACK, ALLOWING FOR A 40-FOOT FRONT SETBACK RATHER THAN THE EXISTING 50-FOOT FRONT SETBACK.
A BRIEF REMINDER ON THE MOST RECENT APPROVAL THAT WAS BEFORE YOU ALL, WHICH WAS APPROVED FOR THE NEW PROPOSED BED TOWER EXPANSION AND THE PROPOSED PARKING GARAGE EXPANSION OF GREAT ADDITIONS TO THE HOSPITAL.
THAT EXPANSION, AGAIN, 92 NEW PATIENT ROOMS WITH A NEW PARKING GARAGE, ROUGHLY 145 SPACES.
THAT PLAN, THAT IMPROVEMENT TO THE HOSPITAL IS CRITICAL FOR THE DEMAND FACING THE HOSPITAL.
AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE, THE REPUTATION THAT JMC HAS EARNED OVER THE YEARS HAS GARNERED THEM PRAISE LOCALLY AND REGIONALLY AS A MEDICAL CENTER.
AND THEY'VE DONE GREAT WORK IN INVESTING IN THEIR CARE AND THEIR PERSONNEL AND BRINGING THESE GREAT IMPROVEMENTS FORWARD.
AS YOU RECALL DURING THE LAST PRESENTATION FOR THIS EXPANSION, WE SPECIFICALLY BROUGHT UP THE SETBACK FOR THE GARAGE.
NOW WE HAVE BROUGHT THE PLAN FORWARD WITH A 50-FOOT SETBACK AS REQUIRED BY CODE BECAUSE THE TIMING OF THIS IS SO CRITICAL.
WE'RE WELL UNDERWAY IN THE PERMIT PROCESS TO GET THAT TOWER UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND YOU ALL REMEMBER THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CONCERNING THE TIMING OF THE GARAGE CONSTRUCTION.
WHILE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE GARAGE DOESN'T TAKE AS LONG AS THE TOWER.
SO WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF ROOM FOR THIS MODIFICATION TO ALLOW THE REDUCED SETBACK.
WE INITIALLY CAME FORWARD WITH THE 50-FOOT SETBACK JUST SO THAT WE COULD GET THE APPROVAL AND WE COULD GET STARTED ON THE PERMIT PROCESS.
THE APPLICABILITY OF THIS CHANGE, IT'S SPECIFIC TO THE MEDICAL CENTER DISTRICT, WHICH IS ALL OF THE PARCELS HIGHLIGHTED ON THE SCREEN.
IT'S REALLY THREE PROPERTIES, THE HOSPITAL, THE JUPITER MEDICAL PARK PROPERTY JUST TO THE NORTH, AND THEN THE MEDICAL OFFICE CONDO TO THE SOUTH.
NOW, LOOKING AT THE AFFECTED AREA AGAIN, OUR PROPOSAL IS TO MAKE THIS SPECIFIC FOR THE PARKING STRUCTURE, WHICH WOULD ONLY IMPACT THE SETBACK AREA ADJACENT ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THAT PARKING STRUCTURE.
THE APPROVED PLAN, AS I SAID, WAS A MINIMUM 50-FOOT SETBACK.
THE PLAN SHOWS A MAJORITY 54-FOOT SETBACK.
REALLY, THE ONLY PORTION THAT IS AT THE 50-FOOT LINE IS THAT STAIR TOWER AND THERE'S OPTIONS THAT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO BE SETBACK.
BUT THE PROPOSED PLAN WOULD BE TO MOVE THAT GARAGE 10 FEET TO THE EAST, PROVIDING FOR MAJORITY 44-FOOT SETBACK, AND THAT ENTIRE AREA WOULD BE LANDSCAPED.
NOW, THIS WOULD COME FORWARD AS A SUBSEQUENT APPLICATION TO AMEND THE SITE PLAN TO ALLOW THAT GARAGE TO SHIFT.
NOW LOOKING AT SOME OF THE DIMENSIONS, AGAIN, THE PRIMARY REASON THAT WE BROUGHT THIS UP TO COUNCIL AND RECEIVED THEIR APPROVAL TO GO BACK AND WORK WITH STAFF TO BRING THIS ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT FORWARD WAS FOR THE ADDITION OF THE EXISTING PARKING SPACES AT GRADE LEVEL ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THAT GARAGE, MOST CONVENIENT TO THE FRONT ENTRANCE.
AS YOU'RE ALL AWARE, PARKING HAS BEEN AN ISSUE AT THE CAMPUS FOR MANY YEARS AND THE GARAGE IS A GREAT ADDITION, BUT BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE GRADE-LEVEL PARKING SPACES CLOSE TO THE FRONT ENTRANCE IS SIGNIFICANT, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE THAT MIGHT NOT WANT TO VALET THEIR VEHICLE.
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LOOKING AT THE PLACEMENT.THIS GARAGE WAS SPECIFICALLY PLACED IN THIS LOCATION BECAUSE OF THE ADJACENT USE BEING DIRECTLY NEXT TO OLD DIXIE AND THE RAILROAD RIGHT AWAY, AND ALTERNATE A1A.
THE ROOM, THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL USE AS WELL OVER 350 FEET.
JUST TO GET TO A1A, IT'S OVER 165 FEET FROM THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY LINES, SO WELL OVER 200 FEET TO THE FACE OF THE GARAGE.
THE EXPANDED LANDSCAPE BUFFER, IT'S BEEN ENHANCED WITH NATIVE PLANT MATERIAL AND ITS EXISTING BUFFER IN THAT LOCATION TO THE SURFACE PARKING IS ONLY ABOUT 10 FEET, SO MORE THAN FOUR TIMES THE SIZE.
NOW, THE PROPOSED CODE LANGUAGE STAFF AND THE STAFF REPORT PROVIDED RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SOME SEVERAL CRITERIA.
NOW, IN OUR ANALYSIS OF THOSE CRITERIA, WE BELIEVE THAT WE ARE MEETING THOSE.
WE WOULD ASK THAT STAFF CONFIRM THAT IN THEIR PRESENTATION.
BUT ESSENTIALLY, THE CODE CHANGE WOULD BE TO ALLOW FRONT SETBACKS TO BE REDUCED UP TO 20% IF THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA ARE MET.
THAT IS A ONE-TO-ONE SETBACK RATIO FOR BUILDING HEIGHT.
IF YOU HAVE A 40-FOOT TALL BUILDING, YOU HAVE TO BE 40-FOOT.
IF YOU'RE 50 FEET, YOU GOT TO BE 50 FEET.
THAT'S ONE OF THE CRITERIA WHICH WE DO MEET.
THE HEIGHT OF THE GARAGE IS 43'2'' PER THE FINAL PLANS SUBMITTED FOR THAT GARAGE.
AS WE SHOWED IN THE SITE PLAN GRAPHIC, WE WOULD BE 44 FEET FROM THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY.
THE SECOND CRITERIA WOULD BE THE ADDITION OF AN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE OR EXPANDED LANDSCAPE BUFFERS FROM BIOSWALES PLANTINGS, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE PROPOSED ON THE SITE AND LANDSCAPE PLAN.
THEN THE LAST CRITERIA WOULD BE THAT THE SETBACK REDUCTION WOULD NOT EXCEED 35% OF THE FRONTAGE, WHICH AGAIN, WE ALSO COMPLY WITH.
NOW ANOTHER ELEMENT OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO MAKE THIS WAIVER PROCESS.
ADDING ANOTHER LAYER OF APPLICATION PROCESS TO THIS, IT IS OUR FEELING THAT MAKING THESE CRITERIA PART OF THE CODE ACCOMPLISHES THAT.
CREATING ANOTHER WAIVER PROCESS WHERE AN APPLICATION WILL HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE PLANNING, ZONING, AND BACK BEFORE TOWN COUNCIL ADDS A LOT OF TIME, A LOT OF MONEY, AND TAKES AWAY FROM THE HOSPITAL'S ABILITY TO INVEST THAT INTO THE CARE THAT THEY PROVIDE.
WITH THE APPLICABILITY OF THIS BEING LIMITED REALLY TO THIS PARCEL, WE FEEL IT'S MUCH BETTER USE AND BETTER TEXT AMENDMENT TO SIMPLY PUT THESE CRITERIA ELEMENTS INTO THE CODE RATHER THAN ADDING ANOTHER LAYER FOR A WAIVER PROCESS.
AGAIN, SHOWING SOME OF THAT AREA OF THAT ENHANCED LANDSCAPE ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE GARAGE, REALLY PLANTING OUT THAT AREA.
THEN HERE'S A 3D RENDERING, WHICH WE ATTEMPTED TO SHOW AS MUCH LANDSCAPING AS WE CAN.
STAFF DID CALL OUT AN ISSUE IN THE STAFF REPORT WITH THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE GARAGE, THERE ARE SOME INCONSISTENCIES WITH THE APPROVED PLAN.
BY NO MEANS DOES THIS GRAPHIC REPRESENT A CHANGE TO THE GARAGE.
WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE GARAGE.
WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT RENDERING TO MAKE IT MORE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS APPROVED, WHERE THIS WAS PURELY AN ILLUSTRATION TO SHOW THAT IT ENHANCED LANDSCAPE BUFFER.
BUT THAT'S ALL WE HAVE FOR YOU TONIGHT.
SURRENDER THE REST OF THE TIME FOR ANY QUESTIONS, BUT THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. MS. CONLEY, YOU'RE BACK UP AGAIN.
>> THIS APPLICATION, AS INTRODUCED BY THE APPLICANT, IS FOR THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE MEDICAL CENTER ZONING DISTRICT, SECTION 27964, ENTITLED AREA AND DIMENSION REGULATIONS TO REDUCE THE FRONT SETBACK FOR PARKING GARAGES FROM 50-40 FEET ADJACENT TO SOUTH OLD DIXIE HIGHWAY FOR PROPERTIES WITHIN THE HOSPITAL MASTERPLAN.
THIS APPLICATION WAS FIRST SUBMITTED CONCURRENT WITH THE APPLICATION FOR THE PARKING GARAGE AND HOSPITAL PATIENT TOWER ADDITION.
ORIGINALLY IT WAS PROPOSED TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE TO REDUCE THE SETBACK TO 30 FEET AND THEN IT CHANGED TO 40 FEET.
STAFF STILL HAD CONCERNS BECAUSE THIS WOULD INCLUDE ALL BUILDINGS IN THE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT ALLOWS FOR THE TALLEST BUILDINGS IN THE TOWN, AND THAT WOULD SET A PRECEDENT.
THERE HAVE BEEN MANY ONGOING COMMUNITY CONCERNS WITH BUILDING HEIGHTS AND REDUCED SETBACKS.
IN RESPONSE TO THESE COMMENTS, THE APPLICANT REVISE THEIR SITE PLAN TO MEET THE CODE 50 FOOT SETBACK,
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AND THAT WAS LATER APPROVED BY TOWN COUNCIL.BUT WITHIN THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS AT COUNCIL, THE APPLICANT REQUESTED FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF THE SUBJECT TEXT AMENDMENT, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR THE 20 ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES ON CAMPUS AT THE GROUND LEVEL.
NOW THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE IS MORE SITE-SPECIFIC AND READS, PARKING GARAGES THAT ARE A PART OF THE HOSPITAL MASTER PLAN AND ARE ADJACENT TO SOUTH OLD DIXIE HIGHWAY MAY REDUCE THE FRONT SETBACK TO 40 FEET.
STAFF'S MAIN CONCERNS ARE THE PROPERTIES THAT COULD BE AFFECTED BY THE AMENDMENT IF JMC EXPANDS IN THE FUTURE.
[NOISE] THANK YOU. IN ATTACHMENT B IS THE MAP THAT INDICATES THE CURRENT ZONING AND POTENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT COULD BE AFFECTED IF THEY ARE RE-ZONED TO MEDICAL CENTER ZONING AND INCLUDED IN THE HOSPITAL MASTERPLAN.
STAFF WOULD ALSO LIKE TO NOTE THAT A HOSPITAL MASTERPLAN IS NEW VOCABULARY FOR THE CODE AND WOULD SHOW UP NOWHERE ELSE IN THE CODE'S LANGUAGE.
SOUTH NOTED CONCERN IN THE REPORT THAT DISTRICTS STILL ALLOWS FOR AN 85-FOOT TALL BUILDING AT THE 50-FOOT SETBACK.
IF COUNCIL WOULD SHARE CONCERN WITH SUCH TALL BUILDINGS AN ADDITIONAL CHANGE COULD BE ADDED TO ESTABLISH AT LEAST A ONE-TO-ONE RATIO OF HEIGHT TO SETBACK FOR BUILDINGS OF EXCESS OF 50 FEET IN HEIGHT.
THE SITE IS LOCATED IN AN AREA DESIGNED TO SUPPORT TRANSIT AND POTENTIAL TRAIN STATION AND THE TONEY PENNA ROA AND MORE DETAILS IN ATTACHMENT E AND THE COMPLAIN TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT SECTION.
THESE INCLUDE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS OF MIXED USES LOCATED WITHIN A HALF-MILE RADIUS OF DESIGNATED RAIL STATIONS.
IF THERE WAS A STATION PRESENT IN THE FUTURE, THERE WOULD BE A BENEFIT TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE LINER BUILDINGS THAT HAVE AN ACTIVE US ALONG THE GARAGE STRUCTURES THAT FACE THE STREET.
IT MAY BE MORE APPROPRIATE TO CONSIDER A LESSER SETBACK FOR THOSE LINER BUILDINGS AS WELL TO ENCOURAGE FUTURE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY DEVELOPMENT AND WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT.
STAFF ALSO RECOMMENDS THE INCLUSION OF ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT TO ENSURE COMPATIBILITY AND MITIGATION FOR THE REDUCTION.
THIS COULD INCLUDE GREEN WALLS, DETAILING PROVIDE SHADE AND SHADOW, EXPANDED LANDSCAPE BUFFERS, BIOSWALES, AND LARGE-SIZED PLANT MATERIALS.
STAFF HAS CONSIDERED ALL OF THE BEFORE MENTIONED FACTORS AND OUTLINED POLICY DECISIONS OR ALTERNATE LANGUAGE TO BE CONSIDERED BECAUSE THE TEXT AMENDMENT IS VERY SITE-SPECIFIC.
STAFF NOTES THAT THE TEXT AMENDMENT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE AS A WAIVER TO BE APPROVED BY TOWN COUNCIL.
THE WAIVER WOULD BE TREATED LIKE AND SIMILAR TO A PD WAIVER WHERE SPECIFIC CRITERIA WOULD HAVE TO BE MET FOR PUBLIC BENEFIT INCLUDING THE FALLING.
JUST TO CLARIFY, IT'S NOT A PUD.
IT JUST INCLUDES THE SIMILAR PROCESS OF APPLYING FOR IT THROUGH THE SITE PLAN APPLICATION TO THEN BE CONSIDERED BY TOWN COUNCIL, WHICH WOULD HELP DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE POTENTIAL SETBACK REDUCTION IN THE AREA THAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
IT JUST TOOK THE LANGUAGE AND FORMAT OF THE WAIVER.
TO BE FOUND IN THE CONCLUSION SECTION OF THE STAFF REPORT, OUR CRITERIA IS THAT THE PROPOSED BUILDING OR STRUCTURE MUST MEET THE ONE-TO-ONE RATIO SO ONE-FOOT SETBACK FOR EVERY ONE FOOT OF BUILDING STRUCTURE HEIGHT.
THE ADDITION OF ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES SUCH AS THE GREEN WALLS, ADDITIONAL DETAILS TO PROVIDE SHADE AND SHADOW, EXPANDED LANDSCAPE BUFFERS, BIOSWALES WITH PLANTINGS, AND THEN LARGER SIZE PLANT MATERIAL.
THEN BUILDING A STRUCTURE RECEIVING THE REDUCED FRONT SETBACK SHALL NOT EXCEED 35/% OF EACH STREET FRONTAGE.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING TO AMEND THE TEXT TO INCLUDE THE WAIVER AS A MORE APPROPRIATE OPTION.
EVEN THOUGH IT NOW INCLUDES BUILDINGS, NOT JUST STRUCTURES, IT WOULD STILL PROVIDE PROTECTION FROM THE LARGER BUILDINGS BECAUSE OF THE ONE-TO-ONE RATIO CRITERIA.
LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
>> DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT FOR THE TOWN ATTORNEY?
>> YOU'RE LOOKING AT ME LIKE YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE.
THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER PATEL, DO YOU WANT TO START US OFF ON THIS ONE?
>> I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER KIM?
>> QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, GEORGIA.
HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE REASON YOU'RE HOPING TO GET A TEXT AMENDMENT IS WHAT'S THE IMPACT ON THE SCHEDULE FOR JUPITER MEDICAL CENTER THAT NECESSITATES THE TEXT AMENDMENT FOR THE NEAR TERM? I UNDERSTAND THE BENEFIT FOR THE LONG TERM, BUT IS THERE A NEAR-TERM NEGATIVE IMPACT ON
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JUPITER MEDICAL CENTER IF WE GO THE ROUTE OF THE WAIVER VERSUS THE TEXT AMENDMENT?>> IT'S TIMING IN THE PROCESS OF GOING BACK THROUGH ALL THE WAY TO COUNCIL TO GET THEM TO APPROVE A WAIVER.
IF WE WANT TO GO THROUGH THE WAIVER PROCESS, IF IT'S A WAIVER THAT CAN BE APPROVED BY STAFF, WHETHER IT'S THE PLANNING AND ZONING DIRECTOR, RATHER THAN HAVING TO GO ALL THE WAY TO TOWN COUNCIL STAFF DID A LOT OF WORK TO OUTLINE CERTAIN CRITERIA WHICH WE FEEL THAT OUR PROPOSAL IS MEETING THAT CRITERIA SO IF WE WANT TO INCLUDE THAT CRITERIA IN THE CODE, JUST HAVING THAT AS A METRIC FOR WHETHER OR NOT THIS REDUCED SETBACK IS APPROPRIATE, WE FEEL IT IS MORE THAN FAIR IT'S JUST THE TIMING.
THAT'S THE IMPACT ON OUR SCHEDULE.
>> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE OF MONTHS, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT SIX MONTHS OR IS THIS A NEAR-TERM ISSUE?
>> WELL, IN TERMS OF THE PROCESS OF GETTING BACK FOR A WAIVER APPROVAL, IT COULD BE SEVERAL MONTHS.
>> THE TYPICAL TIME FRAME TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION AND GO THROUGH THE PROCESS IS 90-120 DAYS AND THAT'S FAST, AND SO AS YOU ARE AWARE, YOU PUT A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WE CANNOT OPEN THE BED TOWER UNTIL THAT PARKING GARAGE IS DONE.
THAT MEANS WE CAN'T START ENGINEERING IT, WE CAN'T DO ALL THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO HAPPEN.
ADDITIONALLY, THIS COUNCIL AND THIS COMMITTEE HAS BEEN GENERALLY OPPOSED TO WAIVERS FOR YEARS.
I MEAN, WE'VE PULLED WAIVER CRITERIA AND BONUS CRITERIA OUT OF EVERY CODE SECTION THAT WE CAN, SO IT LEAVES UNCERTAINTY.
THIS IS YOUR ONE MEDICAL DISTRICT, THERE'S ONE JUPITER HOSPITAL, SO WE WOULD PREFER IT JUST BE SIMPLE, JUST ADD IT TO THE CODE, MAKE IT DEFINITIVE, ITS APPROPRIATE LOCATION, AND IT WOULD MAKE THINGS MUCH MORE EFFICIENT IN GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS.
THERE'S A HOSPITAL UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN PALM BEACH GARDENS. IT'S NO SECRET.
IT IS FROM A BUSINESS STRATEGIC PURPOSES, IT'S CRITICAL THAT THIS HOSPITAL AND THIS BED TOWER BE OPEN AND FUNCTIONING HOPEFULLY WELL BEFORE THAT HOSPITAL OPENS THERE UNDER CONSTRUCTION TODAY SO THAT'S REALLY THE CONSTRAINT.
STAFF CAME UP WITH SOME GREAT CRITERIA.
WE JUST THINK THAT JUST MAKE IT SIMPLE.
ADD IT TO THE CODE AND THERE'S ONLY ONE HOSPITAL.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THIS HAPPENING RIGHT THERE.
>> JOHN, DID YOU OR YOUR TEAM HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE EFFICIENCY OF THE PROCESS?
>> WELL, I DON'T KNOW. I THINK THERE'S A PRESUMPTION THAT THEY'LL AUTOMATICALLY GET THE 40-FOOT SITE PLAN AMENDMENT THAT WOULD REQUIRE A REVIEW PROCESS AS WELL IF THE CODE HAS CHANGED, AMEND THE SITE PLAN THAT THEY GOT APPROVED FROM THE TOWN COUNCIL.
ABSENCE, SPECIFIC DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I WOULD NORMALLY DO AS STAFF TO REDUCE THAT SIZE OF A STRUCTURE 10-FOOT AND STEP BACK.
>> SAY THAT AGAIN. THAT LAST WORD.
>> STAFF WOULD NOT AMEND THE TOWN COUNCIL APPROVAL TO REDUCE A SETBACK OF A BUILDING BY 10 FEET, AND AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS AN EXPECTATION OR ASSUMPTION THAT THEY'RE SAFE PLAN WOULD BE AUTOMATICALLY AMENDED BECAUSE THE CODE CHANGE OR HOW THAT WOULD BE EXECUTED BUT THAT, TO MY KNOWLEDGE WAS NOT DISCUSSED AND HAS NOT BEEN DISCUSSED.
THERE'S STILL WOULD BE A PROCESS TO AMEND THE SITE PLAN IN EITHER SCENARIO.
>> JUST TO ADD TO THAT, WE FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION TO AMEND THE SETBACK OF THEIR GARAGE FOLLOWING THE APPROVAL OF ANY ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT.
THE PROCESS OF GOING BACK THROUGH TO COUNCIL SINCE WE PROPOSE THIS TO COUNSEL AT THE APPROVAL OF THIS TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK BEFORE GOING ANY FURTHER WITH A TEXT AMENDMENT, AND THEY SHOWED SUPPORT FOR US TO WORK WITH STAFF TO TRY TO COME UP WITH SOME LANGUAGE AND COME BACK BEFORE THEM.
WE FULLY EXPECT TO GET THEIR BUY-IN ON THIS PROCESS AND FOR SPECIFIC FOR THIS PROPERTY WHEN WE GO BEFORE THEM FOR THIS TEXT AMENDMENT AND THEN WE WOULD FOLLOW THAT WITH AN A NEW APPLICATION TO AMEND THE SETBACK.
>> WHICH WOULD TAKE THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME AS AN AMENDMENT TO DO A WAIVER IN MY OPINION.
>> NO OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR COUNSEL.
THE REQUESTED ISSUE IS A REQUEST TO MODIFY THE FRONT SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
WHY IS THAT CONSIDERED A WAIVER AS OPPOSED TO A VARIANCE? BECAUSE VARIANCES ARE FOR MODIFICATIONS AND WAIVERS ARE FOR REMOVES.
I BELIEVE IN STAFF INCORRECTLY [INAUDIBLE] PERIODS.
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HOWEVER, WHAT IS BEING DISCUSSED NOW IS BEING WRONG FOR YOU IS A GENERAL AMENDMENT 2 RESUMING TAX DIDN'T ALLOW FOR THIS.I BELIEVE IT'S SAYING REVIEWED 54-SETBACK AND YOU WILL BE PROVIDED WITH THE ALTERNATIVE OF A ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT THAT WOULD PROVIDE A WAIVER PROCESS THAT THE TOWN COUNCIL COULD APPROVE THIS DEPOSED YOU JUST DO GENERAL SETBACK THAT APPLIES TO A SOMEWHAT UNDEFINED DISTRICT THAT'S PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
>> YEAH, THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD IS THAT ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT DISTINCTIONS BETWEEN A WAIVER AND A VARIANCE ARE THAT A VARIANCE IS SUBJECT TO HARDSHIP FINDINGS AND SEVEN SPECIFIC CRITERIA, AND THOSE APPLICATIONS ARE REVIEWED BY THIS BOARD ACTING AS THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, WHEREAS A WAIVER IS TYPICALLY DEMONSTRATING SOME TYPE OF BENEFIT, WE'RE MEETING CERTAIN CRITERIA THAT WOULD BE APPROVED THROUGH A SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS AND BY WHOMEVER IS DESIGNATED WITH AUTHORITY.
WE HAD PUT IN THIS LANGUAGE THAT IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY THE TOWN COUNCIL, THE APPLICANT, AND CONTEMPLATED THAT COULD BE DONE BY THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND ZONING SIMILAR TO THE SIDEWALK WAIVER WE DISCUSSED IN THE PRIOR ITEM, BEING UNDER THEIR PURVIEW OF THE TOWN ENGINEER.
WAIVERS HAVE BEEN CAUTIOUSLY TREATED IN RECENT TIME.
THAT'S BEEN IN THE CONTEXT OF PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT WAIVERS, WHICH INCLUDES OFTENTIMES REDUCTIONS AND SETBACKS OR INCREASES IN HEIGHT OR RATHER VARIATIONS AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
BUT JUST TO SUMMARIZE THAT, ONE OF THE MAIN DIFFERENCES IS THE WAIVER IS NOT SUBJECT TO THOSE STRICT CRITERIA FOR VARIANCE AND THE HARDSHIP ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PROCESS FOR THAT REQUIREMENT.
>> URGENT VISIT QUALIFICATION, BUT THE REMEDY IS I HAVE A LITTLE BIT LOST AS TO WHY SOME OF THAT REMEDY GOES TO 400 VARIANTS.
>> CAN YOU GET CLOSER TO THE MIC?
>> I'M JUST SOMEHOW CONFUSED, I MEAN, THE HARDSHIP CRITERIA IS QUALIFICATION CRITERIA, BUT THE REMEDY, I'M LOST HERE ON WHERE WE WENT FROM VARIANCE TO WAIVER BUT I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S DIFFERENT CRITERIA FOR QUALITY.
>> YEAH, LIKE IN THIS CASE, I MEAN, WE'VE ESTABLISHED YOU HAVE SOME DRAFT LANGUAGE WITH SPECIFIC CRITERIA THAT WOULD QUALIFY ONE OR AN APPLICANT FOR THE ISSUANCE OF A WAIVER OR THE APPROVAL OF A WAIVER, WHEREAS A VARIANCE IS A VERY OPEN-ENDED TYPE OF REQUEST SO FAR AS HOW MUCH YOU CAN ASK FOR.
THIS IS STRUCTURED IN A MANNER THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE A LIMITLESS REQUESTS THAT YOU CAN REQUEST THE ZERO SETBACK.
IT'S ONLY LIMITED TO A 20% REDUCTION.
IT'S LIMITED IN THE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY FRONTAGE THAT COULD BE SUBJECT TO THE REDUCED SETBACK IN ENSURES THAT THE BUILDING OR STRUCTURE WOULD HAVE A ONE-TO-ONE SETBACK.
IT'S SET SPECIFIC PARAMETERS IN PLACE THAT IF APPROVED WOULD BE DEEMED APPROPRIATE FOR QUALIFICATION FOR THE WAIVER AGAIN, WHERE THE VARIANCE IS OPEN-ENDED.
>> THERE'S A JURISDICTIONAL ISSUE BECAUSE IF IT DOESN'T GET IT IN VARIOUS CHANGES WHAT MORE REPLAY, SORRY.
>> THANK YOU. THAT WAS JUST MY ONE QUESTION.
>> I'M VERY SENSITIVE TO YOUR TIMELINE THAT YOU MENTIONED.
BUT I'M ALSO SENSITIVE TO WHAT STAFF HAS SAID PRECEDENCE AND I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A PRECEDENCE BECAUSE OF A TIMELINE BUT YOU ALSO MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THAT IF WE DID SOMETHING FOR THIS, IT WOULD JUST BE FOR HOSPITALS AND COULDN'T CARRY OVER TO OTHER APPLICATIONS OR IS THAT WHAT I HEARD OR NOT?
>> THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL BY THE APPLICANT WAS TO BE INCLUDED IN A HOSPITAL MASTER PLAN AND STAFF IS NOT RECOMMENDING THAT LANGUAGE BECAUSE IT'S NOT DEFINED WITHIN OUR CODE.
THE LANGUAGE THAT WE OUTLINED DOESN'T HAVE THE CRITERIA,
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IT JUST HAS THE CRITERIA TO BE MET AND IT'S AT I THINK THE CONCLUSION SECTION OF THE STAFF REPORT.IT JUST HAS THE ONE-TO-ONE RATIO, THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE, AND THEN THE 35% STREET FRONTAGE.
THE ALTERNATE LANGUAGE WE PROVIDED DOES NOT INCLUDE, BUT THIS WOULD ALL BE WITHIN THE MC ZONING DISTRICT.
THE SECTION OF CODE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WITHIN JUST MEDICAL CENTERS ZONING.
>> WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT OTHER BUILDINGS. IS THAT CORRECT?
>> IF ANY OF THOSE ZONING WAS CHANGED TO A MEDICAL CENTER ZONING, THEN IT WOULD BE APPLIED TO THAT ZONING.
BUT THE HOSPITAL IS CURRENTLY IN SOME SURROUNDING PARCELS, THE ONLY MEDICAL CENTER DISTRICT.
>> HOW DID WE GET IN THIS MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE [LAUGHTER]
>> THIS IS THE CASE THAT THE HOARSENESS IS THE MEDICAL CENTER DISTRICT.
THERE'S NO OTHER MEDICAL CENTER DISTRICT IN THE TOWN IT IS VERY LIKELY TO BE ANOTHER MEDICAL CENTER DISTRICT IN THE TOWN.
THE INDUSTRIAL LANDS ACTUALLY WOULD HAVE A LESS SETBACK BY THE EXISTING CODE AND SO EVEN IF THEY WERE ADDED, IT WOULD END UP BEING MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN WHAT THE CODE WOULD ALREADY HAD.
AS GEORGE HAD POINTED OUT, WE'RE 200 FEET FROM THIS PARKING GARAGE TO THE RIGHT-OF-WAY OF A1A, ANOTHER PROBABLY 25 FEET TO THE TRAVELING OF A1A SO IT'S AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION AND THIS IS THE LOCATION WHERE I'VE HEARD THIS TOWN TALK ABOUT, THIS IS WHERE WE WANT IT TO BE A TOD DISTRICT.
WHERE THE TOD DISTRICT, IT'S TOTALLY APPLICABLE TO HAVE A REDUCTION IN SET-BACK AS POINTED OUT THE IDEA THAT HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE LINER BUILDINGS AND OTHER THINGS CLOSER TO THE GARAGE AND THE SETBACK THAT WE PROPOSE ACTUALLY WOULD PROVIDE FOR THE ADDITION OF A LINER BUILDING IN THE FUTURE.
THIS MAKES SENSE. WHY ARE WE ASKING FOR VARIANCE? BECAUSE VARIANCES ARE IMPOSSIBLE TO GET.
WE COULD NOT PROVE A HARDSHIP FOR VARIANCE SO TECHNICALLY, YOU WOULDN'T BE BOUND TO APPROVE A VARIANCE BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A SELF-IMPOSED HARDSHIP.
THERE'S NOTHING BUILT THERE TODAY.
WE'RE ASKING THIS BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE FOR THIS DISTRICT AND THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO DEAL WITH THAT IS TO RATHER THAN ASK FOR A WAIVER, RATHER THAN ASK FOR A VARIANT, IS TO AMEND THE CODE AND A 40-FOOT SETBACK AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION WITH THE ADDITIONAL CRITERIA PROPOSED BY STAFF IS APPROPRIATE AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'D ASK FOR.
YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS, HE'S JUST GIVING MORE TESTIMONY.
>> WHAT ELSE IS OUT THERE? IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE OUT THERE THAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO COME UP WITH A MONTH FROM NOW AND SAY, WE NEED SOME HELP ON THIS OR WHATEVER, YOU'RE CONFIDENT THERE'S NOTHING ELSE?
>> THERE'S NOTHING IN THE IMMEDIATE FUTURE AS YOU KNOW TIME IS GOING TO GO ON AND THIS IS GOING TO EXPAND IF THE TOD COMES HERE IN THE FUTURE.
WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS AND STUFF [OVERLAPPING]
>> LET ME MAKE IT SIMPLE FOR YOU. THERE'S NOTHING UNTIL THERE IS SOMETHING [LAUGHTER].
WE'RE SENSITIVE TO THAT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE NEED YOUR HELP TOO.
>> THERE'S NOTHING ELSE OUT THERE.
>> WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT ATTACHMENT B AND SEE THAT THERE WILL BE SOMETHING.
>> I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED BY THIS PICTURE THAT EXTENDS UP TO HERE, WHICH IS BEYOND PROPERTY THAT THEY OWN.
IS THAT JUST BECAUSE THE WAY THE DRAWING GOES OR, AS WELL AS DOWN HERE BELOW TO THE BLUE, ARE WE ALLOWING THAT FOR SAY IN THE FUTURE IF ANOTHER PARKING GARAGE WANTED TO GO IN THERE? I REALLY THINK I COULD HELP PROVE YOUR HARDSHIP BECAUSE I'VE TRIED TO PARK THERE [LAUGHTER]
>> YEAH. I REMEMBER THE COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE PARKING.
>> I THINK THERE WAS A HARDSHIP. SEE THIS TOP WHERE, THIS IS TONY PENA, THE BLACK AND RED AND BLACK AND WHITE.
>> WE JUST WANT TO PULL IT UP SINCE YOU WERE REFERRING TO IT.
>> THE RED BUILDINGS AT THE TOP AND THE BLUE BUILDING AT THE BOTTOM ARE NOT OWNED BY JUPITER MEDICAL, CORRECT?
>> YES. THE PROPERTIES OWNED BY JMC ARE CALLED OUT IN THE YELLOW.
>> ARE WE IN THE PROCESS, IF WE ONLY MADE IT THE YELLOW SECTION AND DIDN'T INCLUDE THE RED ABOVE AND THE BLUE BELOW SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM DOWN THE ROAD WITH THAT?
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>> BASED ON THE APPLICANT'S LANGUAGE, THEY CONTEMPLATE THERE'LL BE IN A HOSPITAL MASTER PLAN AND THIS WAS MENTIONED.
THERE'S NO DEFINITION AROUND THAT SO IT'S A VERY LOOSE TERM.
AS THE HOSPITAL CONTINUES TO ACQUIRE PROPERTIES AND POTENTIALLY INCORPORATE THEM INTO WHAT MIGHT BE DEEMED A HOSPITAL MASTER PLAN, IT WOULD EXPAND THE APPLICABLE AREA AS TO WHERE THEIR PROPOSED SETBACK REDUCTION COULD BE APPLIED.
THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OF THE HOSPITAL PROPER, WHICH IS THE SQUARE AT THE BOTTOM THAT'S IN CROSSHATCH.
>> WELL, AT THIS POINT IS MOST LIKELY TO BE REFERRED TO AS A HOSPITAL MASTER PLAN.
THERE'S REALLY NEVER BEEN A HOSPITAL MASTER PLAN.
THEY'VE COME IN PIECEMEAL WITH ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS TO EXPAND THE HOSPITAL SO THERE'S NOT BEEN A UNIFIED PLAN SET OUT.
IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE A HOSPITAL MASTER PLAN TO LAY OUT WHAT THE FUTURE EXPECTATIONS ARE SO THAT BETTER COORDINATION OF PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PLANNING COULD OCCUR.
THE HOSPITAL DOES OWN PIECES TO THE NORTH THAT ARE IN THE CROSSHATCH YELLOW.
THEY HAVE OFFICES IN THIS PIECE THAT'S NOT CROSSHATCH.
THEY JUST DON'T OWN THAT PIECE BUT THEY LEASE, I THINK, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SPACE IN THAT BUILDING.
THEN THIS PROPERTY DOWN TO THE SOUTH THAT ALSO HAS THE MEDICAL CENTER ZONING SOUTH OF TONY PENA.
THERE ARE AT LEAST A COUPLE CONDOMINIUMS THAT ARE OWNED BY THE HOSPITAL IN THAT COMPLEX UNDER THEIR NAME.
I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S MORE THAN THAT, BUT THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO A HOSPITAL MASTER PLAN IF THEY GAINED CONTROL OF THAT.
IT'S GOOD, BAD, OR INDIFFERENT.
THE POINT IS JUST THAT BECAUSE THAT TERM IS LOOSE THERE MAY BE OTHER AREAS.
WELL, IT LOOKS TODAY THAT THE ONLY PLACE THAT WOULD APPLY TO YOU IS THE ONE BUILDING THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY FOR THE PARKING GARAGE.
THERE COULD BE OTHER STRUCTURES THAT ARE PROPOSED THAT COULD ENJOY THAT SETBACK.
ONE THAT I THINK WOULD BE EVEN LESS APPROPRIATE WOULD BE ONE AT THE CORNER OF TONY PENA, AND CLOSER TO OLD DIXIE HIGHWAY.
THEY DON'T OWN THIS WHOLE PIECE YET.
THEY MAY HAVE A CONTRACT ON IT, BUT YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE TRYING TO SQUARE OFF THE BOUNDARIES AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AND TO THE POINT OF BEING TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, TYPICALLY IN A TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT AND PURSUANT TO THE TOWN'S REDEVELOPMENT OVERLAY AREA, THAT'S ESTABLISHED IN THE CODE FOR THIS TONY PENA AREA, WHICH INCLUDES ALL THE HOSPITAL PROPERTY.
IT'S ACTUALLY DENOTED BY THE BLACK AND WHITE DASHED LINE THAT RUNS DOWN TONY PENA ALL THE WAY TO MILITARY INCLUDES THE SELF STORAGE, PUBLIC STORAGE PROPERTY, AND INCLUDES ALL THE HOSPITAL PROPERTIES, AND SOME OF THEIR NEIGHBORS TO THE WEST AND THEN SOUTH.
THAT AREA IS SUPPOSED TO BE PROGRAMMED FOR SUPPORTING FUTURE TRANSIT BECAUSE IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THERE'S A STATION DESIGNATION FOR FUTURE STATION POTENTIAL HERE AT TONY PENA AND OLD DIXIE OR ALTERNATE A1A BETWEEN THOSE TWO ROADWAYS AND 10 OF THAT.
>> YEAH, POTENTIALLY TRY RAIL.
IT COULD BE BRIGHTLINE OR WHATEVER SERVICE PROVIDER.
THE REASON IT'S THERE OBVIOUSLY IS BECAUSE THERE'S THE FEC RAIL CORRIDOR THAT HAS A LOT OF POTENTIAL FOR FUTURE TRANSIT OPPORTUNITIES FOR DIVERSIFYING OUR TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS IN THE TOWN.
BUT TYPICALLY, WHAT'S DEFINED IN THAT REDEVELOPMENT OVERLAY AREA IS TO CREATE SMALLER BLOCKS THAT ARE MORE WALKABLE, CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT THAT'S CONDUCIVE FOR PEOPLE TO WANT TO BE THERE, WANT TO WALK THERE, WANT TO WALK BETWEEN THE HOSPITAL AND A POTENTIAL TRANSIT STOP TO CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT THAT IS WELCOMING.
THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE MADE REFERENCES TO LINE OR BUILDINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE YOU WOULD WANT OCCUPIED USE ON THE EDGE OF A PARKING STRUCTURE OR IN FRONT OF IT SO THAT IT BUFFERS THAT USE AND PROVIDE SOMETHING MEANINGFUL FOR PEOPLE TO WALK BY OR TO USE THE SERVICES.
AND THAT'S PROBABLY A LONG WAY OFF.
WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT THIS IN THE CONTEXT OF TRANSIT MAY NEVER COME HERE IN THAT RESPECT AS A RAIL STOP.
BUT WE DO HAVE OUR ONLY BUS LINE THAT GOES AROUND THIS AREA.
IN GENERAL, TRANSIT TYPE PLANNING AND TRANSIT SUPPORTED LAND-USE PLANNING IS REALLY GOOD PLANNING IN GENERAL.
IT'S WALKABLE AREAS, INTERESTING STREETS, PLACES THAT ARE WALKABLE.
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THAT'S THE EASIEST WAY TO DESCRIBE IT.WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THOSE OPTIONS AND NOT WANTING TO CLOSE DOORS ON THESE AREAS AND MAKE SURE THAT THE BEST ENVIRONMENT FOR DEVELOPMENT IS CREATED.
>> MY OTHER QUESTION WAS, SO THE NEW SPACES THAT YOU'RE ADDING, AND I'M 100% BEHIND THIS.
BUT THE NEW SPACE THAT YOU'RE ADDING, IT SEEMS LIKE SOME OF THOSE ON THE FIRST FLOOR WOULD BE BETTER SERVED TO BE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.
IT SEEMS LIKE ON THE GROUND IN THAT SECTION, THE NEW ONES THAT YOU'RE ADDING.
>> WE DO PROPOSE TO ADD THOSE.
OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD COME BACK WHEN WE AMEND THE SITE PLAN WITH STAFF TO MODIFY THE PARKING GARAGE SETBACK.
WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO ADA AND WE DO PLAN TO PUT MORE ADA SPACES IN THAT GROUND FLOOR SECTION.
>> FOR ADA SPACES TO PARKING SPACES.
>> IT'S BASED ON THE TOTAL NUMBER I THINK, AND IT'S ALSO SEPARATED OUT BASED ON YOUR DISTRIBUTION OF PARKING.
IF YOU HAVE 500 PARKING SPACES HERE, THEN YOU WANT TO PROVIDE NECESSARY PARKING FOR THAT.
THEN 200 OVER HERE, YOU NEED TO PROVIDE THE NECESSARY FOR THAT.
BECAUSE SOMETIMES WHEN YOU COMBINE IT AND LOOK AT A TOTAL NUMBER IT'S ACTUALLY LESS THAN IF YOU SEPARATE THE PARKING FIELDS.
I CAN'T THINK OF THE RATIO OFFHAND.
>> I BELIEVE IT'S 2% WHEN YOU REACH VOLUME OF PARKING.
IT STARTS AT 1 PER 25 SPACES UP TO 100 AND IT DROPS DOWN TO 1 PER 50, AND IT GRADUATES OVER TIME WITH THE AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES, AND THEN ONCE YOU REACH A CERTAIN THRESHOLD, WHICH MAY BE 1,000 SPACES, IT'S A SET 2%.
BUT IN GENERAL, THE HOSPITAL EXCEEDS THAT NUMBER BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THEIR USE.
IT'S NOT THAT THEY GO TO THE MINIMUM TYPICALLY INTO GEORGE'S POINT.
THEY LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT USE AREAS AND BALANCE IT.
>> IT DOES SEEM LIKE THE HOSPITAL SHOULD HAVE A HIGHER RATIO.
>> THEY HAVE IN THE PARKING GARAGE.
NOW THERE'S DISABLED PARKING SPACES THAT ARE ON THE FIRST LEVEL OF THE PARKING GARAGE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY ON THE UPSTAIRS LEVELS.
THEN THERE'S SPACES THAT ARE ON THE SURFACE PARKING LOT WHICH SEPARATE FROM THE REST.
>> THAT WHAT I MEAN, THE SURFACE, ONE SIDE OF IT'S PART OF ITS ADA, BUT THE NEW SPOTS IF THEY'RE ADDING ARE NOT.
>> BUT THEN THE NEXT ROW IN THE PARKING GARAGE THAT'S PROTECTED FROM WEATHER AND SHADED, ALSO HAS DISABLED PARKING, A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT ROW INSIDE THERE.
SO IT PROVIDES DIFFERENT OPTIONS TO MAKE IT MORE CONVENIENT FOR PEOPLE, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE DISABLED, YOU'RE USUALLY A LITTLE SLOW AT MOVING IN AND OUT, GETTING IN AND OUT OF YOUR VEHICLE IN THE RAIN AND MOVING IF YOU HAVE A DEVICE THAT YOU NEED TO STORE.
ALL THOSE THINGS ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BE MORE DESIRABLE TO DO IT WITHIN THE PARKING GARAGE.
>> THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT IS FOR HOSPITAL. TO MR. HERRING'S COMMENT ABOUT THERE IS ONLY ONE HOSPITAL THAT WAS NOT THERE.
THAT THERE WAS SOME FUTURE PLANNING THAT MAY HAVE INCLUDED SOME OTHER HOSPITALS IN THE AREA.
>> WE DO HAVE AN APPLICATION PROCESS FOR A HOSPITAL THAT MR. HERRING DID THE APPLICANT FOR.
>> I SAID MEDICAL CENTER DISTRICT.
>> YEAH, THIS IS THE ONLY APPROPRIATE MEDICAL CENTER DISTRICT.
>> THERE WAS ANOTHER PROPERTY THAT I DON'T KNOW IF MR. HERRING IS INVOLVED WITH OR NOT, BUT WAS PROPOSING A HOSPITAL AND CERTAIN THINGS GOING ON THERE.
SO WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO HAVE A MEDICAL CENTER?
>> THEY WOULD HAVE TO. WE DON'T HAVE AN APPLICATION IN FOR A REQUEST TO REZONE THAT PROPERTY TO A MEDICAL CENTER.
SO THE ONLY MEDICAL CENTER ZONING THAT EXISTS IN THE TOWN IS IN THE VICINITY OF THE EXISTING HOSPITAL, IS SHOWN ON THIS GRAPH [OVERLAPPING]
>> I THINK WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS IF IN THE FUTURE A PROPERTY WANTED TO BECOME A MEDICAL CENTER, NOT JUPITER MEDICAL CENTER, THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT WOULD APPLY TO THEM AS WELL?
>> ONLY IF IT FRONTED ON OLD DIXIE HIGHWAY BASED ON THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED LANGUAGE.
>> THIS IS BEING VERY SPECIFIC TO OLD DIXIE?
>> YES. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE FELT A WAIVER MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE, BECAUSE THE ZONING DISTRICT HAS BEEN SO NARROWLY DEFINED TO ACCOMMODATE ALMOST A SPECIFIC GARAGE IN THIS LOCATION ON THAT STREET.
>> THE WAIVER WOULD BE ONLY SPECIFIC.
>> IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE OPEN.
>> THE WAIVER WOULD BE MORE OPEN OR THE TEXT AMENDMENT WOULD BE MORE OPEN?
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>> THE LANGUAGE THAT WE PROVIDED IN HERE DOES NOT SPECIFY THE ROADWAY THAT THAT COULD APPLY TO.
IT'S NOT LIMITED TO OLD DIXIE HIGHWAY THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN.
BUT SOME OF THE HIGH POINTS OF THIS ORIGIN, THE WAIVER WOULD ENSURE THAT THERE WAS A REQUIREMENT THAT ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING MATERIAL ABOVE CODE AND LARGER SIZE BE PROVIDED.
WHILE THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING THAT ON THEIR PROPOSED SITE PLAN CURRENTLY, THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT IN THE CODE BASED ON THE WAY THE CODE AND THE AMENDMENT ARE DRAFTED TO ENSURE THAT THAT OCCURS.
[LAUGHTER] DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS?
>> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO ASK BEFORE WE DELIBERATE? NO OTHER QUESTIONS. WHAT'S THE FEELING?
>> I'D JUST LIKE TO LISTEN TO SOME OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WHAT THEIR COMMENTS ARE.
>> I AM LEANING TOWARDS THE TEXT AMENDMENT THAT WAS PREPARED BY STAFF.
IT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE ONE SUBMITTED, AND FOR THE REASONS THAT JOHN STATED, I WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVING THAT TEXT AMENDMENT.
>> I AGREE. I'M HESITANT TO JUST DO A GENERAL TEXT AMENDMENT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS.
I JUST THINK THE LANGUAGE THAT THE STAFF PROVIDED GIVES US THE FLEXIBILITY THAT WE MIGHT NEED.
IT MAY NOT, BUT IT GIVES US FLEXIBILITY.
WHEREAS IF WE CHANGED THE TEXT, GENERALLY, WE'RE LOCKED IN.
>> AND WHAT DOORS ARE YOU OPENING.
>> I SEE IT AS A ONE-OFF AND TEND TO FAVOR.
>> TO FAVOR THE TEXT AMENDMENT.
>> AS STAFF OR AS THE APPLICANT?
>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER DUNNING.
>> I'D LIKE TO DEFER TILL I HEAR [LAUGHTER] COLLEAGUES.
>> I ALSO RECOMMEND THE TEXT AMENDMENT.
>> I THINK I COULD GO WITH THAT TOO.
>> I'M THERE. WHO WANTS TO CRAFT A MOTION? I CAN'T DO IT. SOMEBODY GOT TO COME UP WITH IT.
>> I CRAFT A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION AS PROPOSED BY STAFF FOR THE ZONING WAIVER.
>> ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT WAIVER.
>> COMMISSIONER BLUM SECOND IT.
DO YOU WANT TO PULL THE DICE AGAIN VANESSA?
>> SURE. [INAUDIBLE] HOW DO YOU VOTE?
>> CHAIR [INAUDIBLE] HOW DO YOU VOTE?
>> IN FAVOR. COMMISSIONER DUNNING?
>> THANK YOU. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HAVE A WONDERFUL EVENING.
>> YOU AS WELL. CONGRATULATIONS GEORGE.
>> GO GET SOME SLEEP. GO HUG YOUR BABY.
>> JOHN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FOR US TONIGHT?
>> [INAUDIBLE] DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING?
>> ALL RIGHT. LET'S HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
>> WE'RE ADJOURNED AT 9:08.
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