[00:00:03] >> IT'S 7:00 O'CLOCK WE NEED THE TIME TO CALL THE TOWN OF [1. CALL TO ORDER:] JUPITER PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER ON THIS APRIL 11TH, 2023. MADAM SECRETARY, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLE, PLEASE? >> CHAIR GROOMS. >> I'M HERE. >> COMMISSIONER FORE. >> HERE. >> COMMISSIONER HELD. >> HERE. >> COMMISSIONER KERN. >> HERE. >> COMMISSIONER DANIEL ZUNIGA. >> HERE. >> COMMISSIONER PINTEL. >> HERE. >> COMMISSIONER WEISMAN. >> HERE. >> COMMISSIONER DUNNING. >> HERE. >> THANK YOU. THE NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA WOULD BE THE ELECTION OF OFFICERS, [3. ELECTION OF OFFICERS] BUT THE TOWN COUNCIL DID NOT MAKE THEIR APPOINTMENTS AT THE LAST MEETING. THE ONLY APPOINTMENT THAT WAS MADE WAS BY JIM GRETZKY FOR DAN GEISINGER, SO WE'D LIKE TO WELCOME HIM TO OUR COMMISSION. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND I'LL TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY; MAYBE WE WON'T SEE YOU AT THE NEXT MEETING, I DON'T KNOW, TO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE AND WE WISH YOU WOULD STAY. [LAUGHTER] THANK YOU. NOW, [4. MINUTES] ON TO THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM OUR MARCH 14TH MEETING, DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES FROM THE DIET? I'LL JUST GO ON RECORD AS SAYING, I REALLY WOULD LOVE TO HAVE OUR OLD FORMAT BACK, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE. >> DID YOU WANT TO NOT TAKE THE ITEM FOR THE ELECTION OF OFFICERS MOVE THAT TO YOUR NEXT MEETING? >> YEAH. I'M SORRY. YES, SINCE COUNCIL DID MAKE THE APPOINTMENTS, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THAT TO THE NEXT MEETING AFTER THEY MAKE THEIR APPOINTMENTS, WHICH JOHN, THAT'S GOING TO BE ON THE? >> IT'S ON THE 18TH, NEXT TUESDAY. >> OKAY. >> THEY SHOULD BE SEATED FOR YOUR NEXT MEETING. >> YEAH, THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION AT THE END OF THE MEETING ABOUT HOW BIG THEIR AGENDA WAS FOR THAT MEETING AND WHETHER THAT WAS GOING TO BE [OVERLAPPING] >> THEY'RE TRYING TO MANAGE IT SO WE'RE HOPEFUL IT WILL BE DONE AT THAT MEETING. >> NO CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? MOTION TO APPROVE. >> MOVE. >> SECOND. >> THE MOTION WAS MOVED BY COMMISSIONER KERN AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER WEISMAN. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> AYE, YOU CAN VOTE EITHER WAY, BUT IF YOU WANT TO VOTE NO BECAUSE YOU WEREN'T HERE, THEN THAT'S A VOTE. BUT THE LAST TIME WE TRIED TO ABSTAIN BECAUSE OF THAT, THE TOWN ATTORNEY SAID WE HAD TO VOTE WHETHER YOU WERE HERE OR NOT. THE MOTION IS FIVE TO ONE. NOW WE ARE AT THE TIME FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS. [5. CITIZEN COMMENT] THIS IS FOR TOPICS THAT ARE NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENT CARDS FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS FOR NON-AGENDA ITEMS? WE WILL MOVE ON FROM THERE TO OUR FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS, [6.B.1. Town of Jupiter Water Treatment Plant New Hardened Training and Data Facility Site Plan - (PZ#23-551)] WHICH IS THE TOWN OF JUPITER WATER TREATMENT PLANT, NEW HARDENED TRAINING, AND DATA FACILITY SITE PLAN. FIRST, WE WILL HEAR FROM THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR SONG AND ASSOCIATES. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JILL LANIGAN, I'M FROM SONG AND ASSOCIATES, ARCHITECTS. WITH ME THIS EVENING ARE OUR PARTNERS FROM KIMLEY-HORN ENGINEERING. WE HAVE JASON LEE AVAILABLE AS WELL. TONIGHT WE'RE PRESENTING THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT-HARDENED TRAINING FACILITY AND DATA CENTER. WE WANT TO FIRST GO OVER THESE THREE KEY GOALS AND REASONS SUPPORTING THIS PROJECT. NUMBER 1, THE CURRENT IT SERVERS FOR THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT ARE SPREAD OUT AMONG FOUR SEPARATE LOCATIONS ON THE CAMPUS, NONE OF WHICH ARE FULLY HARDENED FOR STORM PROTECTION. SECONDLY, THE FACILITY LACKS AN ACCESSIBLE TRAINING ROOM, A ROOM WHERE THE PUBLIC COULD BE BROUGHT IN. THERE IS CURRENTLY A MULTI-PURPOSE TRAINING ROOM, BUT IT'S ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF A BUILDING THAT DOES NOT HAVE AN ELEVATOR. THE THIRD GOAL AND MAYBE MOST IMPORTANT IS TO HAVE A FUNCTIONAL EOC, AN EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER, AS A MULTIPURPOSE ROOM THAT IS ALSO HARDENED TO ALLOW THE WATER TREATMENT STAFF TO BE ABLE TO STORM RIDE THROUGHOUT A STORM EVENT AND ALSO BE ABLE TO OCCUPY THE BUILDING IMMEDIATELY AFTER A STORM EVENT, SO THEY CAN PROVIDE FAST RESPONSE TO THE COMMUNITY. [00:05:03] WITH THOSE THREE GOALS IN MIND, I'LL JUST GIVE YOU AN ORIENTATION AS TO WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED AND WHERE. WE'RE PROPOSING A TWO-STORY BUILDING OF 3,453 SQUARE FEET. YOU CAN SEE THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT CAMPUS HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN RED. IT SITS ON THE EAST SIDE OF CENTRAL BOULEVARD, JUST SOUTH OF INDIANTOWN ROAD. THE SQUARE IN YELLOW TOWARD THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE IS THE PROPOSED LOCATION FOR THIS NEW HARDENED FACILITY. THE SITE ZOOMING IN ON THAT PART OF THE CAMPUS, IT SITS JUST TO THE NORTH OF THE WAREHOUSE AND ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, AND JUST SOUTH AND ADJACENT TO ANOTHER ADMINISTRATION BUILDING AND TO ONE OF THE WATER TANKS. KEY TO NOTE HERE IS THAT THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED I2 INDUSTRIAL. PRIMARILY THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT, WE'RE JUST KEEPING COHESIVE WITH THE REST OF THE CAMPUS AND ALSO RESPECTING THE VIEWS FROM THE ADJACENT SITES. I APOLOGIZE, THIS SLIDE IS ACTUALLY TURNED SO NORTH IS TO THE RIGHT BUT HERE YOU CAN GET A LITTLE CLOSER LOOK AT THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE HIGHLIGHTED IN RED, THE WATER TANK, AND THE EXISTING ADMINISTRATION BUILDING THAT'S ADJACENT. LOOKING MORE AT THE SITE, WE HAVE A FEW UTILITIES THAT NEED TO BE DEMOLISHED BUT CAN EASILY BE REROUTED THROUGH THERE. I'LL GO QUICKLY THROUGH THESE. THERE'S A DRAINAGE LINE, WATER MAINS, AS WELL AS SOME CONDUITS, AND THE PROPOSED BUILDING WOULD SEEK TO JUST REROUTE THOSE ELEMENTS. NEW ROUTING FOR WATER, NEW ROUTING FOR THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, AND ALSO FOR A NEW SANITARY SERVICE TO THE BUILDING. YOU CAN SEE THERE THAT THERE ARE ALSO, AND I'LL HIGHLIGHT THEM IN RED HERE, TWO EXISTING ADA PARKING SPACES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THIS NEW PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION. THOSE WILL REMAIN AND WE WILL PROVIDE NEW SIDEWALKS THAT PROVIDE THAT ADA ACCESSIBILITY TO THE BUILDING AS WELL. GETTING IN A LITTLE CLOSER AND LOOKING AT THE LANDSCAPE, TO BEGIN WITH, THE EXISTING LANDSCAPE WILL BE PROTECTED AND REPLACED IF DAMAGED IN THE TWO PARKING ISLANDS JUST THERE TO THE EAST OF THE BUILDING AND THEN ANY OF THE SODDED AND GRASS AREAS, OF COURSE, WOULD BE RESTORED AROUND THE BUILDING. AS FOUNDATION PLANTING, WE'LL BE ADDING IN THE RED-TIP COCOA PLUM, WHICH IS COMMON THROUGHOUT THE CAMPUS. JUST AS FOUNDATION PLANTINGS, WE REALLY WANT TO AVOID ANY TREES AGAINST THE BUILDING, AGAIN, AS PART OF THE STORM PROTECTION FOR THIS. BEFORE I GO FURTHER, I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED EARLIER THE TOWN DID APPLY FOR A FEMA HAZARD MITIGATION GRANT FOR THIS FACILITY AND THAT IS IN KEEPING WITH THE 200-MILE-PER-HOUR WIND DESIGNED FOR THE FACILITY. JUST TAKING A CLOSER LOOK AT THE FLOOR PLAN, OF COURSE, YOU ENTER ON THE GROUND FLOOR INTO A SMALL LOBBY SPACE THAT CONNECTS YOU TO THAT HARDENED MULTIPURPOSE ROOM, THAT'S DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE ABOUT 25 PEOPLE. WE ALSO HAVE TWO RESTROOMS ON THAT LEVEL, SO THIS WOULD BE FULLY ACCESSIBLE FOR THE PUBLIC IF THEY DID WISH TO COME INTO THE FACILITY FOR SOME EDUCATION OR TRAINING EVENTS. WE HAVE A VERTICAL CIRCULATION TO BRING US UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR AND ON THAT SECOND FLOOR, WE HAVE THE NEW SERVER ROOM, AGAIN HARDENED FOR THE IT DATA CENTER. ADJACENT TO THAT IS A SPACE FOR EXPANSION AND SUPPORT OF THE SERVER AREA, AS WELL AS SOME IT STORAGE ON THAT PART OF THE SITE. ARCHITECTURALLY, WE'RE IN KEEPING WITH THE MATERIALS, COLORS, AND FINISHES OF THE EXISTING CAMPUS. YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE CORNICE MOLDINGS AND BASE MOLDINGS OF THE BUILDING. JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME VISUALS ON THAT, THIS IS EXISTING IMAGES OF THE NANOFILTRATION BUILDING. THIS IS THE BUILDING THAT IS ACTUALLY FRANCE CENTRAL BOULEVARD AND YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE SAME ELEMENTS THERE. WE DO HAVE A SIMILAR TONE TO THE GLASS, AND AGAIN, THE CORNICE MOLDINGS AND SIMILAR ROOF MATERIALS AND STUCCO FINISHES. WITH THAT, I WILL OPEN IT UP TO ANY OF YOUR COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU. NOW WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM THATCHER HURT FROM THE TOWN OF JUPITER PLANNING ZONING DEPARTMENT. [00:10:06] >> GOOD EVENING COMMISSION. FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS THATCHER HURT, PLANNING DEPARTMENT. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR THE APPLICATION TO REQUEST TO BUILD A 3,453 SQUARE FOOT, TWO-STOREY BUILDING USED AS YOU HEARD FOR IT STORAGE, AS WELL AS AN ADA ACCESSIBLE TRAINING FACILITY FOR STAFF. THE REQUEST IS COMPLIANT WITH TOWN OF JUPITER CODE, AS WELL AS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND SERVICES NEEDED PURPOSES FOR THE TOWN TO CONTINUE TO SERVE AS RESIDENTS ADEQUATELY, BOTH DURING TIMES OF STORMS AND NORMAL WEATHER. SEEING THAT IT IS ON THE INTERIOR PORTION OF THE SITE AND IS APPLICABLE WITH ALL THE CODES. AS MENTIONED, WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND I'D BE GLAD TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> THANK YOU. BEFORE WE MOVE ON, I DID NOT ASK FOR DISCLOSURES ON THIS ITEM. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY LIKE TO DECLARE? COMMISSIONER KERN? >> NO. >> NO. >> I DID GO BY THE FACILITY, TALK WITH THE ONE OF THE MANAGER AND LOOKED AROUND. >> NOTHING TO THIS. >> I HAVE NO DISCLOSURES ON THIS ITEM. WE CAN GO TO QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER WEISMAN, DO YOU WANT TO KICK US OFF? >> ACTUALLY THE QUESTIONS I HAD WERE ANSWERED BY LOOKING AT THE INFORMATION PROVIDED. I'M GOOD AT THIS POINT. >> COMMISSIONER DANNY. >> I HAVE NO QUESTIONS, JUST SOME COMMENTS THOUGH. >> WELL, WAIT FOR THE COMMENTS [INAUDIBLE] >> NO QUESTIONS, JUST COMMENTS. >> COMMISSIONER [INAUDIBLE]. >> I GUESS THIS IS FOR THE APPLICANT. I'M JUST SCRATCHING MY HEAD A LITTLE BIT. THIS IS A TRAINING FACILITY, SO YOU DO TRAINING DURING AN EVENT WHERE YOU GOT TO HAVE A 200 MILE AN HOUR BUILDING. I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A DATACENTER HERE AS WELL, THOUGH OBVIOUSLY NEED TO SURVIVE THAT, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE A MUCH BIGGER BUILDINGS. SO WILL THE TRAINING AREA BE USED LIKE EMERGENCY OP CENTER IN THE CASE THAT THEY WOULD. >> CORRECT. YES. THERE'LL BE A MULTI-PURPOSE SPACE, WHAT WILL BE USED THROUGH TRAININGS AND MEETINGS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR IN A STORM EVENT, IT BECOMES THAT EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER SPACE WHERE STAFF CAN ACTUALLY RIDE THROUGH THE STORM WITHIN THAT SPACE AND OPERATE. >> DO YOU KNOW THE WAY THEY DO THAT NOW, WHERE DID THEY DO THEIR EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER NOW? >> HI, FOR THE RECORD, AMANDA BARNES IS INTERIM DIRECTOR OF UTILITIES. CURRENTLY, WHEN WE HAVE TO HOUSE THERE FOR A STORM, WE STAY IN EITHER THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING OR THE WATER PLANT OFFICES BUILDING, AND NEITHER OF THOSE ARE RATED I BELIEVE THEIR THE HIGHEST RATING IS 150 MILES PER HOUR FOR ONE OF THE BUILDINGS AND 135 FOR THE OTHER. >> OKAY. THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD. >> THANK YOU. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND THIS MIGHT BE FOR MR. HURT. THE TRAINING SITE IS GOING TO BE USED BY HOW MANY PEOPLE? HOW MANY PEOPLE DO THEY TRAIN AT ANY ONE TIME? >> THAT WOULD BE MORE OF A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. >> OKAY. >> THE ROOM IS DESIGNED FOR 25. >> RIGHT. BUT ON AN ORDINARY BASIS, HOW MANY DO THEY TRAIN? >> WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAINING IN THIS ROOM, IT'S NOT TRAINING LIKE WATER PLANT OPERATIONS. IT'S USUALLY LIMITED TO 24-25 PEOPLE. WE HAVE OUR STAFF MEETINGS UP THERE, BUT AS WELL, WE DO SPECIFIC SEMINARS, DIFFERENT CONTINUING EDUCATION REQUIREMENTS FOR THE OPERATORS. >> OKAY AND IF I MAY WANT TO STICK AROUND AND DURING AN EMERGENCY, HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD OPERATE OUT OF THAT BUILDING? >> WE TYPICALLY HAVE AT LEAST 20 PEOPLE ON SITE DURING A STORM. >> OKAY, SO 24 PEOPLE AT A TRAINING SEMINAR POSSIBLY, 20 PEOPLE DURING AN EVENT, AND THERE'S TWO SINGLE-CELL BATHROOMS. >> WE HAVE OTHER BATHROOMS ON THE [INAUDIBLE] BUT IN THAT IN THAT BUILDING, THERE'S TWO. >> IS HE HUNKERED DOWN FOR AN EMERGENCY AND YOU HAVE 20 PEOPLE THERE. PROBABLY IS MORE MANAGEABLE THAN IF IT'S TRAINING 24 PEOPLE AND YOU TAKE A BREAK TO GO TO THE BATHROOM AND THEN EVERYBODY IS WAITING TO GO BECAUSE THERE'S TWO SINGLE STALL BATHROOMS. THEN I DIDN'T NOTICE ANY BREAK ROOM OR A PLACE TO KEEP STUFF LIKE SO IF YOU ARE HUNKER DOWN FOR A HURRICANE, THERE'S NO PLACE TO STORE YOUR FOOD ITEMS OR ANY OF THAT STUFF. HOW DOES THAT WORK? >> THE TWO ADJACENT BUILDINGS DO HAVE BREAK-ROOMS. FOR HUNKER DOWN FOR STORM IT'S DURING THE 200 MILE AN HOUR EVENT OF THE STORM. DURING THE HEAVY WIND. RATING OF THE STORM IS AS SOON AS IT WAS HEAVY WINDS PASS, WILL BE ABLE TO EXIT THE BUILDING AND GET THEM TO THE OTHER BUILDINGS TO HAVE TO MAKE PREPARATIONS FOR FOOD. >> YOU COULD BE THERE FOR A COUPLE EIGHT HOURS OR SO WITHOUT ANY [OVERLAPPING] TO PROVIDE FOR IT OR WOULD YOU JUST USE COOLERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT? >> YES. THE TIMES THAT I'VE PERSONALLY HAD TO STAY THERE DURING A STORM IT'S BEEN AT NIGHT WHERE YOU'RE SLEEPING OR TRYING TO SLEEP. [00:15:07] [LAUGHTER]. >> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO BE INCONVENIENCED OR HAVE TO GO OUT IN THE STORM TO GET FOOD OR SNACKS OR SOMETHING CALLED THE DRINK. >> WE WILL BRING COOLERS AND THEN MEASURE WE HAVE FOOD THERE. >> ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENT CARDS, PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ISSUE? >> NO, WE DON'T. >> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING THEY WANT TO ADDRESS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? >> THERE'S COMMENT. >> COMMISSIONER WEISMAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR DELIBERATIONS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO DELIBERATE [OVERLAPPING] >> DELIBERATE ON COMMUNISM GRAY, THEY'RE DOING THIS SINCE IT'S DEFINITELY IMPORTANT AND IT'S A GOOD ADDITION TO THE FACILITIES OF THE TOWN. >> THANK YOU. YES, COMMISSIONER [INAUDIBLE]. >> YES, SO I WENT BY THE FACILITY AND HAD A LITTLE TROUBLE GETTING IN, BUT THANKS TO THE ADMIN ASSISTANT, THEY HAPPENED TO BE GETTING THE MAIL AT THE TIME. SHE WAS ABLE TO GET ME IN AND I TOOK A LOOK AT THE AREA AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A REALLY GREAT IMPORTANT ADDITION FOR THE TOWN. OFTENTIMES WE THINK OF FIRE, POLICE AND RESCUE AND EVERYTHING THAT BEING ON LOCATION. BEING THERE FOR US DURING THE STORM AND I THINK IT'S AWESOME THAT WE'RE LOOKING OUT FOR THESE FOLKS ALSO, AND WE'RE PUTTING IN WHAT'S NEEDED FOR THEM TO BE SAFE AND KEEP THINGS GOING. I THINK IT'S EXCITING TIME. I'M HAPPY ABOUT IT. >> OKAY, HR. >> ECHO BOTH OF MY COMMISSIONERS, THE HARDENING OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF OUR CRITICAL SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE WITH OUR TOWN. WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THIS IMPLEMENTED AT THIS JUNCTURE. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER, [INAUDIBLE]. >> I AGREE TO PLAN THE ANALYSIS IN THIS [INAUDIBLE] OR INFRASTRUCTURE. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GAIL. >> HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENTS. >> I ECHO THE COMMENTS OF THE COUNCIL SO I WANT TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE THE CYCLIN AND [OVERLAPPING]. >> COMMISSIONER WEISMAN MAKES THE MOTION. >> I SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER [INAUDIBLE] SECONDS. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? HEARING NONE, THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. NOW WE MOVE ON TO [NOISE] THE SECOND ITEM, [6.B.2. Ritz Carlton PUD Amendment to allow a guest cottage on a single lot within Pod A, located at 612 Pelican Way – (PZ#23-5549)] WHICH IS THE RITZ-CARLTON PUD. I WILL ASK FOR DISCLOSURES AT THIS TIME ON THIS ITEM, COMMISSIONER WEISMAN. >> I HAVE NONE. >> COMMISSIONER DANNY >> YES, I DID GO BY THE PROPERTY, MET WITH THE APPLICANT BRIEFLY AND MR. GENTEEL HELPED ME ARRANGE ACCESS TO THIS. >> MITCHELL >> NONE >>NONE. >> NO DISCLOSURES. >> I HAVE NO DISCLOSURES EITHER. MR. BAIRD, WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO SWEARING IN FOR THE SITE HEARING? >> I UPHELD. YOU CAN NOW OFFER TESTIMONY IN THE SITE HEARING PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO HERE'S THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? >> I DO. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. NOW WE WILL HEAR FROM MR. GEORGE GENTEEL. >> MADAM CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS, GLAD TO BE HERE IN FRONT OF YOU. I KNOW SOME OF YOU, BUT SOME OF THEM ARE NEW AND I'M GLAD YOU'RE HERE AT THE COMMISSION. THIS IS A PROJECT AT THE RITZ-CARLTON. IT'S A SINGLE-FAMILY LOT. IT HAS A QUITE A HISTORY BECAUSE IT ORIGINALLY WAS A SINGLE LOT AREA THAT WAS THE EAGLE'S NEST AREA THAT WAS LEFT UNUSED BY THE PROJECT. THEN EVENTUALLY THE EAGLE LEFT, AS WE CALL IT. THE TREES WERE DAMAGED, THE EAGLE'S NEST WAS THEN HIT BY LIGHTENING. IN 2013, THE COUNCIL APPROVED TWO LOTS IN THAT POD OF THE PROJECT. HISTORICALLY, IT WAS ONE LOT, TWO LOTS, NOW THAT WE HAVE A NEW OWNER WHO JUST BOUGHT IT. WE'RE ASKING TO REQUEST AN AMENDMENT TO THE RITZ-CARLTON PUD TO ALLOW A COTTAGE ON THE RESIDENTS. THIS COTTAGE WAS AN EXISTING BUILDING THAT WAS BUILT AS ONE OF THE OTHER HOUSES. ALTHOUGH IT WAS REALLY BY THE SAME OWNER, SO HE BUILT IT VERY SMALL. IT WAS ABOUT 1,200 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IF YOU KNOW THE RITZ-CARLTON, THEN MOST OF THOSE HOUSES ARE A LITTLE LARGER THAN 1,200 SQUARE FEET. HE INTENDED IT TO BE A POOL CABANA AND FACILITY FOR HIM TO USE ON THERE. BUT IT WAS A HOUSE AND THE NEW OWNER BOUGHT IN 21, CAME IN TO START DOING RENOVATIONS TO THE EXISTING HOUSE, AND WE'RE HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE WE NEED TO GET THE GUEST HOUSE DONE SO THAT HE CAN LEAVE THAT THERE AS A FACILITY FOR HIS USE AT A SWIMMING POOL AND EVERYTHING ELSE. THIS IS THE SITE LOCATION IN POD A, [00:20:03] WHICH IS IN THE RITZ-CARLTON PORTION OF THE PROJECT THAT'S ON THE NORTH WEST SIDE. THIS IS A VISUAL TAKEN IN FEBRUARY THIS YEAR OF THE HOUSE. YOU CAN SEE THE GUEST COTTAGE WHERE THE SWIMMING POOL IS. THAT'S THE HOUSE THAT WE USE FOR A POOL FACILITY. THE OTHER HOUSE THERE'S A GARAGE THERE WITH THE DRIVEWAY GOING TO IT. THIS PROJECT WAS ORIGINALLY USING THE SAME DRIVEWAY FOR THE PROJECT AND THEN THE EXISTING HOUSE [NOISE] THE FINALES WHO BOUGHT THE HOUSE ARE LOOKING TO RENOVATE AND EXPAND IT, AND TO DO THAT, WE NEEDED TO RESOLVE THE OTHER STRUCTURE AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE AGAIN. THIS WILL REDUCE THE NUMBER OF UNITS, WHICH IS I GUESS ALWAYS GOOD BECAUSE WE REDUCE TRAFFIC. WE HAVE ZERO TRAFFIC IMPACTS. WE'RE GOING FROM 133 UNITS TO 132 NOW IN THAT AREA. YOU KNOW WHERE THE LOCATION IS. AGAIN, THIS WAS ANNEXED INTO THE TOWN IN 2001. IT WAS PART OF THE FRENCHMAN'S DRI, AND WAS BROUGHT IN BACK IN 21. GUEST COTTAGES OR THE LIVING QUARTERS WITHIN A DETACHED ACCESSORY BUILDING LOCATED ON THE SAME PREMISES, THE MAIN BUILDING AND IS USED EXCLUSIVELY FOR HOUSING MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY OCCUPYING THE MAIN BUILDING AND FOR NON-PAYING GAS WHICH THEY WOULD NOT HAVE THERE. THERE'S NO KITCHEN FACILITIES AND THEY CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE KITCHEN FACILITIES IN IT. ALTHOUGH WE ARE AGREEING WITH ALL THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL TO HAVE THE INSPECTION DONE TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO POWER OR STOVE IN THE STRUCTURE. YOU HAVE THE HISTORY, BUT, AS I JUST SAID, WAS PLOTTED AS ONE LOT. IN 21 WAS PURCHASED AS TWO LOTS, AND WE CAN'T HAVE THE TWO STRUCTURES. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN. IT'LL BE A SINGLE LOT DRIVEWAY CONNECTING TO THE GARAGE AND WITH SOME ADDITIONAL SPACES AREA. ACTUALLY, THERE IS A LITTLE BASKETBALL HOOP THERE FOR THE YOUNG KIDS WHO LIVE THERE NOW, AND THEN THE MAIN HOUSE, AND THE POOL YOU CAN SEE. THAT IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN FOR THE PROJECT. IT DOESN'T CHANGE DIFFERENTLY. THEY WILL BE COMING IN FOR SOME ADDITIONAL EXPANSION OF THE MAIN HOUSE, AND THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF EXPANDING THE GARAGE, WHICH THEY'VE ALREADY STARTED. WE'RE ALSO ASKING FOR A WAIVER. THAT WAIVER IS BECAUSE THE UNIT TYPE IS NOT ANYTHING NOTICED IN YOUR CODE. WE HAVE TO ASK FOR A WAIVER TO HAVE THAT AS A GUEST COTTAGE IN THERE. WITH THAT, WE ALSO HAVE TO DO PUBLIC BENEFIT, WHICH I WILL DISCUSS IN A MINUTE. THE PUBLIC BENEFIT, THE PREVIOUS COTTAGE THAT WAS DONE IN THIS DEVELOPMENT IN A FEW YEARS BACK, PROVIDED THE TOWN WITH $7,500 FOR A BUS SHELTER. MR. FINALE, WE EXPLAINED TO HIM SOME OF THE THINGS GOING ON AROUND TOWN BECAUSE WE ALWAYS ARE LOOKING FOR PUBLIC BENEFIT. HE NOTICED WE TALKED ABOUT THIS NEW CITY HALL SITE IN THE TOWN GREEN, AND HE FELT THAT THAT WOULD BE A GREAT CONTRIBUTION TO THE TOWN GREEN BECAUSE IT WOULD ACTUALLY BENEFIT ALL THE RESIDENTS, NOT JUST IN A SPECIFIC AREA, BUT AT THE TOWN HALL SITES. HE HAS AGREED TO, AS PUBLIC BENEFIT, PROVIDE FUNDING FOR WHATEVER THE TOWN WOULD LIKE TO DO AT THE TOWN GREEN. IN CONCLUSION, IT'S IN POD A. I THINK A VERY SIMPLE REQUEST, IT'S TO TAKE A STRUCTURE THAT WAS ALREADY AS A VERY SMALL HOUSE, AND MAKE IT INTO A GUEST COTTAGE. AGAIN WITHOUT KITCHEN, THEY WILL BE USING IT STRICTLY FOR THEIR FAMILY THERE. THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A KIDS PLAYROOM AND THEY HAVE A OPEN AREA WITH A TV AND ACCESS TO THEIR SWIMMING POOL. WITH THAT, WE AGREE WITH ALL THE CONDITIONS AS STAFF SAID, AND I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. THANK YOU. >> [OVERLAPPING] THANK YOU. NOW WE WILL HEAR FROM PETER MYERS FROM THE TOWNS, PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. FOR THE RECORD, PETER MYERS, SENIOR PLENARY STAFF. THE APPLICATION FOR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE RITZ CARLTON PUD TO CONVERT A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNIT TO A GUEST COTTAGE ON LOT A LOT WITHIN PART A, THE EPIS QUESTION TO WAIVER FOR YOU TO TYPE IN THE R1 SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT TO ALLOW A GUEST COTTAGE AS A ACCESSORY USE TO THE PRIMARY SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING UNIT. STAFF HAS COMMITTED CONDITION NUMBER FOUR [00:25:02] TO ACQUIRE THE REMOVAL OF THE FACULTY FACILITY, FUND THE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING BE CONVERTED TO A GUEST COTTAGE IF FACULTY FACILITY, AS THEY CONSIDERED TO BE HAVING 220 VOLT ELECTRIC SERVICE OR CUP FOR AN OVEN RANGE IN A KITCHEN. ALSO CONDITION 6 TO ENSURE THAT THE GUEST COTTAGE IS INCIDENTAL AND SUBORDINATE TO THE PRINCIPLE STRUCTURE. I JUST WANT TO GO OVER SOME OF THE HISTORY OF THE PROJECT BECAUSE THE CENTRAL PROPERTIES WERE ORIGINALLY APPROVED AS TWO SEPARATE LOTS, NOT AS ONE. THERE WERE NEVER PLANNED AS ONE LOT. IT WAS ALWAYS PLANNED AS TWO. IN 2013, THE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING RECONSTRUCT ON EACH SLOT BY THE SAME OWNER WERE INTENDED TO BE USED BY ONE FAMILY AS A SINGLE COMPOUND WITHOUT A UNITY OF TITLE. IN 2021 THE LOTS WERE SOLD TO THE APPLICANT, IN 2022 A BUILDING PERMIT SUBMITTED TO EXPAND THE MAIN BUILDING, LARGER HOUSE. AT TIME, WE HAD DISCOVERED THAT THE OUT GOING ACROSS THE LOT LINE AND THAT MEANS SETBACKS. IT WAS DISCOVERED AT THIS TIME THE UNITY OF TITLE WAS RECORDED WITH PALM BEACH COUNTY IN 2022 THAT UNIFY THE TWO LOTS. YOU CAN FIND THE LOTS CREATED NONCONFORMITY SINCE THE R1 ZONING DISTRICT ONLY ALLOWS ONE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNIT PER LOT. THE OWNER HAS MANY APPLICATION TO REQUEST A WAIVER TO ALLOW A GUEST COTTAGE TO RESOLVE THAT ISSUE OF NONCOMPLIANCE FOR HAVING TWO SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING AGAINST ON A SINGLE LOT. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUESTS WITH CONDITIONS OUTLINED IN EXHIBIT 1, CONTINGENT UPON TOWN COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED, BUT WITH BENEFIT AND WAIVER REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT OR THE SAVY METER TIME FOR REBUTTAL. >> THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM AS WELL? NO. OKAY. WE CAN GO TO QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER KERN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO START US OFF? >> NO QUESTIONS. >> COMMISSIONER GELDNER? >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION. >> GO AHEAD. >> DOES THE CURRENT COTTAGE HAVE A KITCHEN FACILITY OR NOT? >> NO, IT DOES NOT AND IT WILL NOT AND AS THE CONDITION REQUIRES, WILL HAVE THAT INSPECTED BY YOUR TOWN BUILDING DEPARTMENT. >> OKAY. ALRIGHT. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE THE ANALYSIS I THOUGHT I READ HERE SAID IT DID HAVE A KITCHEN. >> IT DID. >> IT MAY HAVE HAD ONE A LONG TIME AGO WITH THE PREVIOUS OWNER, BUT THERE'S NO STOVE IN IT. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A STOVE IN IT AT ANYTIME. THERE MAY HAVE BEEN, BUT THEY DO NOT HAVE A KITCHEN IN THERE. >> IT STILL HAS THE ELECTRICAL HOOKUP THAT WOULD BE OUR MAIN POINT. >> THAT HOOKUP HAS TO BE REMOVED AND THAT WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF. >> I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. >> VERIFY THAT. >> YES. >> OKAY. >> YEAH. THE CONDITION REQUIRES TO GO TO YOUR HAVE THE TOWN BUILDING OFFICIALS COME IN AND INSPECT IT. >> OKAY. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU. MITCHELL. >> HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY WRITTEN APPROVAL FROM THE HOA ON NOTIFICATION? >> YES. THAT YOU HAVE A LETTER OF [OVERLAPPING] OTHERWISE WE WOULDN'T BE HERE. >> I FELT I HAD TO ASK BECAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING IN THE PAPERWORK JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S ON THE RECORD. >> YES, MA'AM. >> CAN I SHOW ANYTHING? >> THAT WAS THE SAME QUESTION THAT I HAD OBVIOUSLY. WHERE YOU'RE SITUATED, YOU KIND OF OWN BOTH WATSON, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A LOT OF DISCONTENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IS THAT CORRECT? >> YEAH >> OKAY. WHEN I DROVE BY THERE I GUESS THEY HAVE A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL ON SITE ALREADY, IS THAT FOR WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? >> THEY RECEIVED A PERMIT TO RENOVATE THE GARAGE AND THEY ARE WORKING ON THAT. THEY DID HAVE TO STOP CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE THAT DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT ALLOW CONSTRUCTION FROM NOVEMBER TO APRIL 1ST. >> THANK YOU. >> YEAH. >> COMMISSIONER WEISMAN? >> NO QUESTIONS THIS TIME. >> I HAVE QUESTIONS AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FOR YOU, MR. GENTEEL OR FOR MR. MAYOR. I KNOW THAT THE PACKET SAID THAT THE PUD WOULD MONITOR WHETHER THEY STAY IN COMPLIANCE OR NOT AND KITCHEN TO IT. BUT HOW WOULD THE TOWN BE ABLE TO MONITOR THAT? ITS GOING FORWARD IF THE PERSON'S SELLS AND SOMEBODY ELSE MOVES IN OR WHATEVER. >> I REALLY COULDN'T TELL YOU HOW YOU WOULD MONITOR THAT BECAUSE IT'S A GATED COMMUNITY. HOWEVER, BEFORE WE CAN FINALIZE IT, WE HAVE TO HAVE A CEO THAT SAYS FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT THAT THIS OWNER WILL NOT HAVE ANY TYPE OF KITCHEN FACILITY IN IT AND THEY WOULD NOT HAVE THE POWER TO IT. THE BREAKER IS NOT TO ME. >> YEAH. I UNDERSTOOD IT'S BEING TAKEN OUT AND STUFF, BUT THERE'S PEOPLE THAT FLY UNDER THE RADAR SOMETIMES. PETER, HOW WOULD THE TOWN BE ABLE TO MONITOR THAT OR NOT? >> WELL, JUST AS NOTED IN THE REPORT IS THAT THEY REQUIRE SOME ALTERATION PERMIT TO SHOW THE REMOVAL OF THE 220 HOOKUP. THE FUTURE IF SOMEBODY WAS TO PUT BACK IN THE BUILDING, [00:30:02] THEY REQUIRE A PERMIT TO DO SO. >> OKAY. CIVICALLY 220S ARE NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN KIND OF FLY UNDER THE RADAR WITH, LIKE. >> IT'S POSSIBLE. >> OKAY. [LAUGHTER] MY DAD WAS A CARPENTER, SO I KNOW A LOT ABOUT THE FLYING UNDER THE RADAR STUFF. THEN I JUST HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. I'M KIND OF CONFUSED ABOUT THE 1.13 ACRES OF CONTIGUOUS UP LAND PRESERVES AND HOW THIS IS AFFECTED IF THE STRUCTURES ARE ALREADY THERE. >> WELL, I THINK IF YOU READ THE HISTORY, THE UPLAND PRESERVE WAS MOVED TO ANOTHER LOCATION. >> IT WAS MOVED. >> YES. >> OKAY. >> YES. >> I WASN'T SURE IF IT WAS SAYING IT WAS MOVED OR IT WAS WANTING TO BE MOVED. >> IT WAS RELOCATED BACK WHEN THE PROPERTY WAS SPLIT INTO TWO LOTS AND THE EAGLE'S NEST WAS DISSOLVED. THEY TOOK THAT AREA AND PUT IT INTO ANOTHER PORTION OF THE PROJECT. >> OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION. THAT IS ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. I ASKED IF WE HAD PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE DON'T. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO ASK OF STAFF OR THE APPLICANT? NO. DO WE HAVE ANY DELIBERATIONS? WOULD YOU LIKE TO START COMMISSIONER CALLEN YOUR DISCUSSION ON THE MATTER? >> I THINK MY ONLY QUESTION ON THIS IS AROUND THE PUBLIC BENEFIT. NO, I'M RELATIVELY NEW, SO I'M NOT SURE HOW WE DETERMINE WHAT'S ADEQUATE OR ACCEPTABLE LEVELS OF CONTRIBUTIONS. >> I CAN ONLY SPEAK TO MY EXPERIENCES WITH IT, BUT IT'S USUALLY SET ON PRECEDENTS FROM BEFORE, AND THAT THERE WERE OTHER TIMES IN THE HISTORY OF THIS PROPERTY THAT THEY PAID INTO THE PUBLIC BENEFIT. THEY'RE PROVIDING $10,000 FOR THE PUBLIC GREEN. THEN ALSO MR. GENTEEL, CAN YOU SPEAK OF THE ROADWAY PUBLIC BENEFIT? >> WELL, I THINK THAT WAS AN ALTERNATE THAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDED TO US. THERE'S ALREADY SOME PUBLIC BENEFIT THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED BY OTHER ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT TO PUT LANDSCAPING IN THE ROADWAY, I BELIEVE ITS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. BUT THE LAST GUEST COTTAGE THAT WAS APPROVED IN PART B, THEY PROVIDED $7,500 FOR A BUS SHELTER. OUR CLIENT, I THINK WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT IT AND SAID THAT THE 10,000 WOULD BE A GOOD NUMBER FOR TODAY TO HELP WITH THE TOWN GREEN HERE, WHICH EVERYBODY WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BENEFIT ON. >> WITH PUBLIC BENEFIT, IT'S REALLY A SUBJECTIVE THING. THERE'S NOT REALLY ANY SORT OF THING THAT SAYS, HERE'S THE HIERARCHY OF WHAT YOU CAN PROVIDE TO GET CERTAIN THINGS. IT'S JUST HOW PEOPLE FEEL AT THE MOMENT. COMMISSIONER GEISINGER, COMMISSIONER DANNY, COMMENTS. >> NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. I LOOKED OVER THE PROPERTY AND FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT WHAT I SEE AND DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >> COMMISSIONER WEISMAN? >> I'M GLAD TO SEE THE APPLICANT EXCEPT A LITTLE STAMPS RECOMMENDATIONS. I'M JUST CURIOUS $7,500 BACK THEN FOR A BUS SHELTER WHAT'S THE VALUE OF THE $7,500 TODAY? >> I KIND OF DID THAT. THAT'S WHY WE SUGGESTED THE 10. [LAUGHTER] THANK YOU. >> OKAY. >> SURE. >> THANK YOU. IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT A MOTION TO APPROVE BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. >> I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THAT WE STAMP THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THIS BUDGET. >> THE MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER WEISMAN, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GEISINGER. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? HEARING NONE, THE ACT IT'S APPROVED. >> THANK YOU. MRS. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. >> OKAY. NOW WE MOVE ON TO WHERE IS MY AGENDA? OH GOSH. I'M ALL AT THE SHORTS TONIGHT. HERE WE ARE. [6.B.3. Jupiter Creek Commercial Christ Fellowship Site Plan and Special Exception to allow a church – (PZ#23-5448 & 5499)] NEXT STEP IS THE JUPITER CREEK COMMERCIAL CHRIST FELLOWSHIP SITE PLAN AND SPECIAL EXEMPTION TO ALLOW A CHURCH. WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT FIRST. I'M SORRY. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE DISCLOSURES FIRST. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING TO DISCLOSE ON THIS ITEM? >> I DROVE BY THE FACILITY SEVERAL TIMES. >> COMMISSIONER WEISMAN? >> NOTHING. >> COMMISSIONER [INAUDIBLE]. >> I FREQUENT THAT AREA WITH A VENDOR THAT'S THERE. [00:35:02] >> I THINK IN DISCLOSURES, IT'S MORE OF DID YOU GO THERE SPECIFICALLY TO LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM OR SPEAK TO ANYBODY ABOUT THIS ITEM? >> NO I DID NOT. >> MY DERMATOLOGIST IS THERE. >> I WENT TO LOOK AT IT. I DIDN'T WALK THE PROPERTY ALL THE WAY AROUND. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GARY. >> YEAH. I LOOKED AT THE SITE AND MY WIFE AND I ARE MEMBERS OF CHRIST FELLOWSHIP AND HAVE BEEN FOR A LONG TIME. IT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT OUR [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER] >> MY DERMATOLOGIST IS THERE, BUT I HAVE NO DISCLOSURES ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. MR. MOON. >> ANYBODY WHO IS GOING TO TESTIFY ON THIS ISSUE, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, AND NOW WE WILL HEAR FROM MR. HEARING. >> WELL, GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE RECORD. DONALDSON HEARING HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF CHRIST FELLOWSHIP CHURCH, AND WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO BE HERE. CHRIST FELLOWSHIP, AS YOU ARE AWARE, IS LOCATED OR HEADQUARTERED IN PALM BEACH GARDENS AND IT'S A CHURCH THAT MEETS IN MANY PLACES AND HAVE CAMPUSES HERE THROUGHOUT THE SOUTHEASTERN FLORIDA AND BEEN AN HONOR TO BE A PART OF MANY OF THEM OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS. WITH ME TONIGHT, I HAVE MR. LEO ABDELA, WHO IS THE DIRECTOR OF REAL ESTATE OPERATIONS AND ADAM KERR WITH KIMBERLY HORN IS OUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT IN THE EVENT THAT THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE TRAFFIC. CHRIST FELLOWSHIP WAS FOUNDED IN 1984, SO IT SEEMS LIKE YESTERDAY. THE MAIN CAMPUS IS IN PALM BEACH GARDENS THERE THE FACILITIES A LITTLE OVER 250,000 SQUARE FEET, SO SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER THAN WHAT WE HAVE HERE TODAY, OVER 2,500 SEATS IN THE MAIN SANCTUARY AND THERE'S OTHER SANCTUARIES WITHIN THE FACILITY. IT'S A MUCH LARGER FACILITY. THAT IS THE MAIN CAMPUS. THERE'S SATELLITE CAMPUSES THROUGHOUT THE REGION. MOST ALL OF THEM ARE LARGER THAN WHAT WE HAVE HERE, BECAUSE THE GARDENS CAMPUS IS ONLY ABOUT 16 MILES AWAY FROM US HERE IN JUPITER. THE MOST RECENT CAMPUS THAT OPEN YOU MIGHT HAVE READ ABOUT IN THE PAPER A FEW WEEKS AGO IS THE WESTLAKE CAMPUS. JUST FOR COMPARISON, WESTLAKE CAMPUS HAS ABOUT 800 SEATS AND THERE'S ABOUT 40,000 SQUARE FEET, SO FURTHER AWAY, MUCH LARGER. THE CAMPUS SITS HERE, IS REALLY INTENDED TO BE A RELIEVER OF THE GARDEN'S CAMPUS. MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT YOU SEE HERE THIS EVENING, AS WELL AS MYSELF FOR YEARS, FOR OVER 20 YEARS WE'VE BEEN DRIVING TO PALM BEACH GARDENS TO GO TO THE CHURCH SERVICE. MORE RECENTLY, THE CHURCH HAS OPENED UP A FACILITY HERE AND MEETS AT THE WYNDHAM GRAND IN HARBORSIDE, AND THAT'S BEEN A GREAT TEMPORARY PLACE TO BE. OUR CAMPUS PASTOR, MR. ETHAN SHOCKLEY AND I THINK HIS LOVELY WIFE ARE HERE SOMEWHERE, RIGHT THERE IN THE BACK. ETHAN, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THERE'S TWO SERVICES CURRENTLY, 9:30 AND 11 O'CLOCK, ABOUT 250 PEOPLE FOR EACH OF THOSE SERVICES WERE PLANNING ON DOING BASICALLY THE SAME THING HERE IN THIS BUILDING. CHRIST FELLOWSHIP HAS LIVED FOR MANY YEARS AND I'VE BEEN A PART OF THAT PROCESS WITH LEO FOR DIFFERENT REAL ESTATE HERE IN THE TOWN OF JUPITER REALLY TO BE A RELIEVER TO THE GARDEN'S CAMPUS. WE'VE LOOKED OFF OF ISLAND WAY. WE'VE LOOKED AT THE OLD BOWLING ALLEY. WE'VE LOOKED OFF OF MILITARY TRAIL AND MAYBE ON OCCASION MIGHT HAVE HAD A DISCUSSION WITH STAFF FROM TIME-TO-TIME. BUT THE JIM WAS CLOSING DOWN. WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACQUIRE IT, AND SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A LOCAL HOME HERE IN JUPITER AND SAVE A LOT OF VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED TO PALM BEACH GARDENS. SUPER EXCITED, AS I'M SURE YOU MIGHT HEAR FROM A FEW OTHER FOLKS. THE SITE ITSELF IS TWO PARCELS, AS YOU'VE READ IN THE STAFF REPORT, 2.03 ACRES IN SIZE. IT'S COMMERCIAL LAND USE. IT'S A C2 COMMERCIAL ZONING, AND THOSE OF YOU WHO'VE BEEN AROUND THE C2 IS THE MOST INTENSIVE ZONING DISTRICT THAT WE HAVE HERE IN THE TOWN. THE EXISTING USE IS INDOOR RECREATION, WHICH IS FITNESS, AND IT HAPPENS TO BE A RELATIVELY INTENSE USE AS IT RELATES TO, FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE. WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING LITERALLY IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN TRAFFIC ON INDIANTOWN ROAD, IN THE DAILY. [00:40:03] I'VE GOT SOME NUMBERS IN THE AM AS WELL AS IN THE PM. FOR YEARS I KNOW THAT TOWN HAS LOOKED AT THE VARIOUS MITIGATION STRATEGIES FOR DEALING WITH TRAFFIC. ACTUALLY, THIS IS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT RELIEVER. THEY'VE PURCHASED PROPERTY TO REDUCE TRAFFIC. THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT RELIEVER OF TRAFFIC DURING THOSE PEAK HOURS ON THE ROADWAY NETWORK. THE BUILDING ITSELF IS 20,316 SQUARE FEET, SO IT'S ABOUT MUCH SMALLER. LESS THAN A 10TH OF THE SIZE OF THE MAIN CAMPUS IN PALM BEACH GARDENS, AND SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER THAN MOST OF THE CAMPUSES THAT WE HAVE. THE MAIN SERVICES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WILL BE HERE LOCALLY AS WELL AS AT OUR OTHER CAMPUSES. CHRISTMAS PROGRAMS. TYPICALLY ARE GOING TO BE IN PALM BEACH GARDENS. THAT'S WHAT OCCURRED THIS PAST YEAR. WAS STILL A WONDERFUL CANDLELIGHT SERVICE HERE IN THE JUPITER CAMPUS, BUT THE PROGRAM ITSELF OCCURS WHERE THERE'S MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE DOWN IN PALM BEACH GARDENS AND THEN EVEN OTHER PROGRAMS. IN MAY THERE'S A WONDERFUL LADIES PROGRAM THAT'S COMING UP AND THAT WILL ALL BE IN PALM BEACH GARDENS. THIS WILL REALLY JUST BE AT THE SATELLITE CAMPUS GENERALLY FOR SUNDAYS, BUT IT REALLY WILL OFFER SO MANY MORE OPPORTUNITIES HERE FOR US, FOR OUR KIDS, FOR OUR YOUTH, SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO PALM BEACH GARDENS. WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 368 SEATS. WE HAVE 112 PARKING SPACES AND MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE. OUR SERVICE TIMES AS WE'RE STARTING ARE 09:30 AND 11:00 O'CLOCK WHICH IS THE SAME AS WE'RE CURRENTLY AT IN THE WYNDHAM IN HARBORSIDE. THEN ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT, 06:00-09:00 IT'S BASICALLY A YOUTH PROGRAM, SO NOT NEARLY THE SAME POPULATION THAT YOU WOULD HAVE ON A SUNDAY, BUT A MUCH SMALLER, REALLY FOR THE YOUTH TO COME AND BE THERE, SO A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO GO IN. THE TRAFFIC NUMBERS AGAIN, JUST BY THE NUMBERS FOR THE RECORD, JUST ABOUT 500. AVERAGE DAILY TRIP REDUCTION. THE BIG NUMBER IS REALLY THE PM PEAK HOUR. IT'S A 56 TRIP REDUCTION IN THE PM PEAK HOUR. THOSE ARE A LOT OF TRIPS AND A LOT OF BENEFIT TO INDIANTOWN ROAD, WHICH WE KNOW IS GENERALLY OVER CAPACITY AS IT IS. THOSE OF YOU WHO KNOW WHERE THE SITE IS, WE'RE THE LITTLE BACK THE TWO LOTS, WHICH IS THE JUPITER GYM WITHIN THE JUPITER CREEK CENTER. HERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN ENLARGEMENT. INDIANTOWN ROAD IS TO THE NORTH, AND THE WHAT WE REFER TO THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY AND THE INDIAN STREETS ARE TO THE SOUTH OF US. THE BRASS RING IS THE RESTAURANT IMMEDIATELY IN THE FRONT. THE PROFESSIONAL CENTER IS IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST AND THE WATER'S EDGE DERMATOLOGY THAT I BELIEVE THAT CHAIR WAS REFERRING TO AS IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER, WHICH IS THE OLD QUARTER DECK RESTAURANT THAT WAS THERE. THERE'S THE OVERALL SITE AND WE'RE 2.03 ACRES OF THAT SITE. THIS IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION USE, SO YOUR CODE HAS A NUMBER OF CRITERIA WHICH HAVE TO BE MET FOR SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS TO BE APPROVED. I'M PLEASED TO TELL YOU THAT WE SATISFY EVERY SINGLE CRITERIA OF THE CODE AND THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION CRITERIA OF THE CODE. CERTAINLY HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT ANY QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE, WE'RE UTILIZING THE EXISTING BUILDING. WE ARE DOING SOME ADA IMPROVEMENTS WHICH WERE RECOMMENDATION OF THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO ADDRESS ADA DEFICIENCIES ON THE SITE. THEN WE'RE ALSO, AS YOU'VE READ IN THE STAFF REPORT, DOING A LOT OF LANDSCAPING TO IMPROVE IT. I SPOKE WITH MR. CULLER FOR RICHARD CULLER. FOR SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW RICHARD WHO WAS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE TWO POAS IN JUPITER CREEK AND ALSO IS THE OWNER OF THE DIVE BAR HERE AND JUPITER. RICHARD TOLD ME HE DOESN'T THINK A DIME HAS BEEN SPENT ON THE JUPITER GYM SITE FOR PROBABLY 10 YEARS. IF ANY OF YOU HAVE GONE OUT THERE, YOU PROBABLY NOTED THAT IT WAS THAT WAY. WE ARE LOOKING AT DOING A FRESH COAT OF PAINT, IMPROVING THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER IN THE BACK AS WELL THERE'S SOME STRIPING AND OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE CITY ENGINEER WHICH WE CERTAINLY AGREE TO. AGAIN, THERE'S OUR SITE AND THERE'S THE BUFFER THAT'S IN THE BACK. THERE IS A WALL THERE. THERE'S A LOT OF MATURE VEGETATION, [00:45:03] BUT THEY'VE GOT SOME EXOTIC SCROLL IN THERE. THE EXOTICS TEND TO DISPLACE OTHER GOOD VEGETATION. WE'RE GOING BACK IN REALLY WITH A VERY NICE SWEET OF A FAIRLY DIVERSE NATIVE VEGETATION GOING IN THERE. IT'S NOT JUST THE SAME OLD STUFF, BUT PLANT MATERIAL THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED UNDER-STORY, THAT CAN HANDLE THE LOW-LIGHT CONDITIONS THAT CURRENTLY EXIST THERE TODAY. THEN OF COURSE, WE'RE ADDRESSING ALL OF THE LANDSCAPING ON THE SITE. HERE'S THE PICTURE. WE'RE ADDING SOME COLORS, SOME NEW GROUND COVERS, AND ARE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN DO TO REALLY ENHANCE THE OVERALL SITE. WE ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH ALL OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. WE HAVE MET WITH THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND ONE OF THE LOCAL CAPTAINS TO DISCUSS THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT. WE'RE WORKING ON A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN. I THINK WE'VE SENT A DRAFT OVER TO STAFF. THESE ARE GENERALLY A TYPE OF ADAPTIVE AND COLLABORATIVE DOCUMENTS. IN PALM BEACH GARDENS, WE'VE WORKED ON PERFECTING TRAFFIC FOR A LONG TIME, AND I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THE CITY AND THE NEIGHBORS FOR WELL OVER 20 YEARS. WE HAVE IT DOWN TO A SCIENCE AND IT WORKS NOW. IT'S NOT A PROBLEM. IN FACT, EVERY SERVICE IS LITERALLY DOWN TO THE SECOND, SO VERY WELL CHOREOGRAPHED. WE'LL WORK WE'RE GOING TO DO SOME COUNTING OFF. REALLY, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID ARE VEHICLES, TRYING TO GO OUT INTO THE MEDIA, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S VERY LOW TRAFFIC ON INDIANTOWN ON SUNDAY MORNINGS, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF NOT HAVING IT INHIBITED BY PEOPLE TRYING TO CROSS THE MEDIAN AND MAKE A LEFT TURN TO GO WESTBOUND, SO WILL BE MOVED DIRECTING TRAFFIC TO THE EASTBOUND. THERE'S MORE THAN AMPLE OPPORTUNITIES FOR U-TURNS. THE OTHER THING THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS, WE'RE GOING TO PUT A FLAGMAN OVER ON CALOOSAHATCHEE TO MAKE SURE THAT ANYBODY WHO MIGHT WANT TO TURN TO THE SOUTH IS A RESIDENT, IT'S BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANY OF OUR TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. WE DO HAVE LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM THE JUPITER CREEK ASSOCIATIONS. THERE'S TWO ASSOCIATIONS, ONE IS THE JUPITER CREEK COMMERCIAL ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS THE OVERALL. WE ALSO HAVE A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THE ADJACENT CONDOMINIUM, WHICH IS THE JUPITER CREEK PROFESSIONAL CENTER CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION. IN ADDITION, THEY HAVE MADE AN OFFER TO THE CHURCH IN THE EVENT THAT WE NEED ADDITIONAL PARKING, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO LEASE PARKING FROM THEM, THEY'VE MADE THAT AN OFFER. WE HAVE NOT ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT, BUT IF WE NEED TO, WE HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM. GENERALLY, IT'S OPEN PARKING TODAY. I DROVE BY THE SITE TONIGHT AND WHILE THE GYM IS CLOSED, YOU GOT PEOPLE FROM THE BRASS RING THAT PARK THERE AT NIGHT. IT'S OPEN PARKING, SO IT'S GREAT BECAUSE IT'S A CHURCH IN A COMMERCIAL AREA, NOT IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA WHERE THE CAR IS SPILL OUT OVER INTO THE ROAD ON PEAK HOLIDAYS, BUT WE'VE DONE A GREAT JOB OVER THE WYNDHAM, NO PROBLEMS AT ALL. WE SATISFY ALL OF THE CRITERIA FOR THE SITE PLAN REVIEW, WHICH IS ONE SECTION IN YOUR CODE, ALL THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION CRITERIA, EVERY SINGLE CODE REQUIREMENT, AND WE SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCE TRAFFIC. CHRIST FELLOWSHIP IS A GREAT NEIGHBOR. IN ALL OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE'RE IN, WHETHER IT'S PORT SAINT LUCY, WHETHER IT'S PALM BEACH GARDENS, IF THERE WAS A TIME OF CRISIS, CHRIST FELLOWSHIP IS THE FIRST PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE. I KNOW WHEN LEO AND I WERE WORKING ON THE CAMPUS IN PORT SAINT LUCY AND THIS WAS RIGHT AFTER THE FINANCIAL CRISIS AND THEY TOOK OVER THE DIGITAL DOMAIN FACILITY UP THERE UNBEKNOWNST TO US, PASTORS CAME FROM ALL OVER THE REGION TO SUPPORT THE REQUEST, AND IT'S BECAUSE CHRIST FELLOWSHIP IS SUPPORTIVE OF EVERY CHURCH. THEY WORK WITH THE CHURCHES, THEY PROVIDE LEADERSHIP TRAINING FOR ALL OF OUR CHURCHES. THEY CALL IT CHURCHES UNITED, BUT THEN THEY'RE THERE IN TIME OF CRISIS AND THERE'LL BE HERE FOR THE TOWN. I KNOW WE HAVE A BOARD MEMBER COULD PROBABLY TELL YOU ALL OF THAT AS WELL, BUT WITH THAT, I'LL RESERVE MY REMAINING ONE MINUTE 37 SECONDS AND BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. >> THANK YOU. AND NOW YOU WILL HEAR FROM THATCHER HURT FROM THE TOWN. >> GOOD EVENING AGAIN. MY NAME IS THATCHER HURT WITH THE TOWN GEO-PLANNING DEPARTMENT. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST. AGAIN, CONTINGENT UPON THE APPLICANT RECEIVING TRAFFIC APPROVAL FROM PALM BEACH COUNTY, [00:50:03] AS WELL AS SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS THAT WE'VE OUTLINED FOR YOU WITHIN EXHIBIT 1, YOU SHOULD HAVE ALL THAT IN YOUR PACKETS AS WELL. THE PROPOSED USE CHANGE DOES QUALIFY AS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION AS STATED BY THE APPLICANT, AND IS WHY WE ARE HERE TONIGHT. IT WOULD CONVERT 20,316 SQUARE FEET FROM INDOOR RECREATION TO A CHURCH USE. STAFF IS AWARE THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE POTENTIAL FOR INCREASED TRAFFIC AND PARKING CONCERNS. HOWEVER, THAT'S WHY WE'VE OUTLINED THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT YOU DO HAVE WITHIN YOUR PACKET, AND WE DO FEEL THAT WE HAVE COME TO CONDITIONS THAT BOTH THE APPLICANT AND STAFF AGREE CAN ADEQUATELY ADDRESS ISSUES SHOULD THEY ARISE, BOTH CONTINUOUSLY MONITORING AS WELL AS ADDRESSING THOSE ISSUES QUICKLY AND SUFFICIENTLY IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT NONE OF THOSE IMPACTS REACH NEIGHBORING RESIDENTIAL, OR IMPACT MAJOR TRAFFIC IN TOWN SUBSTANTIALLY. I'M GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH A FEW KEY AREAS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, BASED ON THOSE CONDITIONS SUCH AS LANDSCAPING, TRAFFIC, AND PARKING, AND THEN I'LL BE GLAD TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU DO HAVE. ASKED FOR THE LANDSCAPING, A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. SUBJECT PROPERTY WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT IN A MULTI-PHASE APPROACH. BOTH THE WEST AND THE EAST SIDE OF THE CURRENT BUILDING THAT YOU HAVE TODAY WAS SPLIT AND BUILT IN SEPARATE TIMES, BUT THEY WERE BUILT TO THE CODE REQUIREMENTS OF THAT DAY. THE APPLICANT HAS INCLUDED WITHIN THEIR REQUESTS THE INTENTION TO IMPROVE THE BUFFER ALONG THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE THAT DOES BACK UP AGAINST THAT RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY TO THE SOUTH. WHILE THERE ARE NO SITE PLAN CHANGES CURRENTLY HAPPENING WITHIN THE PROPERTY, STAFF TYPICALLY DOES ASK APPLICANTS TO IMPROVE LANDSCAPING ON THE PROPERTY AND TO IMPROVE GREEN SPACE AND OVERALL STORMWATER EFFICIENCY AND THAT IS WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO DO. STAFF IS ALSO RECOMMENDING THAT THE APPLICANT DO HIRE A ISA-CERTIFIED ARBORIST TO JUST EVALUATE THE EXISTING TREES AND GREEN SPACE THAT IS ON-SITE IN ORDER TO KEEP ADEQUATE PRUNING AND MAINTENANCE ON THOSE TREES HEALTHY IN THE FUTURE. BECAUSE THAT SOUTHERN PROPERTY IS AGAINST A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, THIS IS THE PRIORITY THAT WE HAVE ELECTED TO MAKE SURE THE APPLICANT IS TAKEN CARE OF AND REDUCE ANY OF THE USE IMPACTS THAT SHOULD BE HAPPENING IF THE CHURCH GOES IN. AS FOR TRAFFIC, WE'RE COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT THERE ARE UNIQUE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE PROPERTY, AND SOME OF THEM DO DEAL WITH THE HISTORY OF THIS SITE. THE FIRST IS THE FACT THAT ORIGINALLY BACK IN THE DAY THERE WAS PLANS FOR A TRAFFIC LIGHT AT THIS INTERSECTION, IF NOT A TRAFFIC LIGHT, THEN THERE WOULD BE A CURB CUT OR A TRAFFIC PEANUT DIVERTER. BUT THIS WAS NEVER FULLY CARRIED OUT BY FDOT. THEN THE SECOND THING THAT JUST TO MENTION FOR THAT IS UNIQUE TO THIS SITE WOULD BE THE FACT THAT THIS IS A FAIRLY LARGE CHURCH AND IT'S NOT NOTED WITHIN THEIR APPLICATION, BUT JUST COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT THE SEATS THAT THEY DO HAVE AND THEY DO HAVE SPACE TO EXPAND SHOULD THEY NEED IT, AND THAT THERE COULD BE A LARGE NUMBER OF SEATS THERE THAN THE CURRENT APPLICATION ESTATE, BUT THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND. WITH ALL OF THESE CONDITIONS IN MIND, THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ALLOW FOR THE MANAGEMENT AND MITIGATION PLANS TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE AND RESOLVE ISSUES QUICKLY AS I'VE STATED BEFORE. THE APPLICANT HAS COME UP WITH A TRAFFIC PLANNING COORDINATION WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND STAFF, AS WELL AS THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER. AS YOU HEARD WE DID RECEIVE A COPY OF THAT MITIGATION PLAN ALREADY IN GOOD FAITH, AS WELL AS MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN MITIGATE THAT AHEAD AND WORK TOGETHER ON THAT ISSUE. AS YOU DID SEE, THE CURRENT PLAN IS TO ENFORCE RIGHT TURN TO ENTER THE PROPERTY AS WELL AS EXIT THE PROPERTY JUST TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S A BUFFER TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM TURNING LEFT ON INDIANTOWN ROAD AND CREATING ANY FURTHER HAVOC OF A CRASH OR ANY INCIDENT THAT COULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO PUBLIC SAFETY. AS FOR PARKING, THE PARKING RATIOS SIMILAR TO TRAFFIC ARE LAID OUT BASED ON AVERAGES AND USES AND INTENSITIES THAT WE DO HAVE, AND THAT IS WHAT IS IN OUR CODE. THE PARKING ONLY UTILIZES THE PARKING THAT'S AVAILABLE CURRENTLY ON THE SITE. WHAT WE'RE PARKING THIS ACT AS A CHURCH STATES AND OUR CODE IS ONE PER 1,000 SQUARE FEET PARKING SPACES, IN ADDITION TO ONE PARKING SPOT PER FOUR SEATS. THAT'S HOW WE COME UP TO THE CALCULATION THAT WE DO HAVE ON-SITE. KEEPING IN MIND THAT THIS IS THE AVERAGE OF WHAT THE USE ENTAILS AND WE ENSURE THAT ANY APPLICATION COMES BEFORE [00:55:01] YOU MEETS THOSE MINIMUM CRITERIA TO ENSURE WHAT WE FEEL ADEQUATELY ADDRESSES THE USE, WE FEEL THAT IT MEETS THAT. WITH THAT, I'D BE GLAD TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> THANK YOU. I WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENTS AND I WILL LET ANYBODY WHO HAS FILLED OUT A COMMENT CARD AND WISHES TO SPEAK, THAT WE HAVE TWO PODIUMS, SO THEY WILL CALL TWO PEOPLE AT A TIME AND YOU CAN ALTERNATE PODIUMS IF YOU WOULD. AT THIS TIME, DO WE WANT TO START CALLING OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS? YOU HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES TO TELL US WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND. IF IT GOES PAST THREE MINUTES WE HAVE TO CUT YOU OFF, SO DON'T HATE ME FOR THAT. [LAUGHTER] >> MADAM CHAIR, DO YOU WANT TO DO QUESTIONS FIRST? >> DO WE WANT TO DO QUESTIONS? >> THAT'S THE NORMAL. >> I KNOW. BUT I FIGURED THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE HERE THAT I WOULD LET THEM SPEAK AND THEN THEY MIGHT INFLUENCE OUR QUESTIONING. IS THAT OKAY WITH EVERYBODY OR WOULD YOU RATHER ASK YOUR QUESTIONS AND THEN GO TO PUBLIC COMMENTS AS NORM? >> THAT'S YOUR CALL, MA'AM? >> NO. IT'S THE PLEASURE OF [OVERLAPPING]. >> LET'S HEAR FROM PAUL. >> THANK YOU. >> FIRST, WE HAVE LEO ABDELA AND GREG LEON. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM COMMISSIONER, I MEAN, COMMISSIONERS. WE THANK YOU ON BEHALF OF CHRIST FELLOWSHIP FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF OUR APPLICATION. WE ALSO WANT TO THANK YOUR STAFF FOR THEIR COLLABORATION AND PROFESSIONALISM IN ARRIVING AT THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AND WE ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH ALL OF THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE APPROVAL. THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS, MY NAME IS GREG LEON. I AT 211 COMMERCE WAY HERE IN JUPITER. I HAVE BEEN IN JUPITER FOR OVER 20 YEARS. I RAN A REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT FIRM, AND HAVE SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENTS HERE IN TOWN, REAL ESTATE INVESTMENTS, AND DEVELOP PROJECTS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND JUST EXCITED TO SEE THE TOWN IMPROVE SOMETHING HERE. THAT'S A GREATER PUBLIC BENEFIT THAT ADDS VALUE TO OUR COMMUNITY IN LIEU OF ANOTHER OFFICE BUILDING ANOTHER RETAIL PROPERTY, SOMETHING THAT AGAIN JUST THAT THIS CHURCH GETS TO INVEST IN COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> NEXT [OVERLAPPING]. >> I KNOW YOU. YOU USED TO BE WITH SURFRIDER, DIDN'T YOU? >> YEAH. >> I DID SOME VOLUNTEER WORK WITH YOU. >> OKAY GOOD. >> SORRY THERE, INTERRUPTING [LAUGHTER] [BACKGROUND]. SORRY TO INTERRUPT THE PUBLIC COMMENT. SORRY ABOUT THAT. [LAUGHTER] NEXT WE HAVE AL PUGLISI AND CHRIS DYER. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS AL PUGLISI. REBECCA, MY WIFE OF 26 YEARS, AND MY KIDS, ALLEGRA AND DOMINIC, AND I ARE ALL PROUD RESIDENTS OF JUPITER, FLORIDA. I'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME. MY FAMILY MOVED DOWN HERE WHEN I WAS A SMALL CHILD IN THE EARLY '70S. DURING MY TIME HERE, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN ACTIVE IN MY COMMUNITY BY COACHING MY CHILDREN'S SPORTS TEAMS, ACTIVE IN MY LOCAL CHURCH AND HAS AN ORDER OF MULTIPLE LOCAL BUSINESSES, INCLUDING TWO CHICK-FIL-A FRANCHISES IN PALM BEACH COUNTY FOR OVER 15 YEARS. MOST OF MY EMPLOYEES AT CHICK-FIL-A WERE BETWEEN 16 AND 23 YEARS OF AGE. THAT'S WHAT SPARKED MY INTEREST IN MENTORING AND HELPING GROW THE YOUTH OF THE NEXT-GENERATION. I'M A PROUD MEMBER OF CHRIST FELLOWSHIP JUPITER, AND EVERY WEDNESDAY NIGHT I VOLUNTEER BY SERVING THEIR YOUTH AS THE BOYS HIGH-SCHOOL SMALL GROUP LEADER AT MAPLE WOOD FACILITY. I'VE SEEN FIRSTHAND THE POSITIVE IMPACT THAT CHRIST FELLOWSHIP JUPITER HAS HAD ON OUR KIDS. WE AVERAGE A LITTLE LESS THAN 100 YOUTH ATTENDING ON WEDNESDAY NIGHTS. WE'RE BUILDING GREAT CITIZENS IN JUPITER BY TEACHING RESPONSIBILITY AND ETHICS. THE KIDS ALSO ARE IN NEED OF COMMUNITY, FAITH AND HOPE, WHICH ARE THINGS THAT THIS CHURCH PROVIDES THAT OUR TAX DOLLARS CANNOT PROVIDE. PLEASE HELP US TO CONTINUE TO GROW THE YOUTH OF JUPITER BY SUPPORTING AND GRANTING THE CHURCH THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION SO WE CONTINUE TO BE AN ASSET TO THE YOUTH AND THE JUPITER COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. >> NEXT RAY KNIGHT. >> COMMISSIONERS. HI, MY NAME IS CHRIS DYER. I'M A LOCAL REAL ESTATE BROKER, AND I'M ALSO A BOARD MEMBER AT JUPITER CHRISTIAN SCHOOL. AS A STAKEHOLDER IN THIS COMMUNITY, I WANT TO SHARE ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING CHRIST FELLOWSHIP IN JUPITER. THE COMMUNITY WOULD BENEFIT FROM SEEING CHRIST FELLOWSHIP BECOME A PERMANENT RESIDENT. CHRIST FELLOWSHIP HAS INVESTED IN THE LOCAL COMMUNITY THROUGH OUTREACHES SUCH AS MANGROVE BAY ASSISTED LIVING, NUMEROUS COMMUNITY EVENTS AND BEAUTIFICATION PROJECTS. THE CHRIST FELLOWSHIPS INVESTMENT GOES BEYOND THIS. AS A REAL ESTATE BROKER, I BELIEVE CHURCHES LIKE CHRIST FELLOWSHIP ADD VALUE IN TANGIBLE WAYS TO THE COMMUNITY AND PROTECT OUR PROPERTY VALUES. FOR INSTANCE, SUPPORTING LOCAL BUSINESSES, VISITING LOCAL RESTAURANTS AND FOSTERING COMMUNITY SERVICE. AS A REAL ESTATE BROKER, I HAVE FOUND WHEN PEOPLE ARE MOVING INTO THE AREA, TWO QUESTIONS THEY ASK ARE ABOUT THE QUALITY SCHOOLS OF JUPITER AND THE PLACES OF WORSHIP WHERE THEY CAN HAVE THEIR FAMILIES PLANT ROOTS. SCHOOLS EDUCATE OUR CHILDREN. [01:00:02] CHURCHES BRING COMMUNITIES TOGETHER. CHURCHES ARE THE CORNERSTONE FOR THE HEALTH AND VITALITY OF OUR COMMUNITIES. CHURCHES INVEST IN OUR FAMILIES, OUR MARRIAGES, AND ESPECIALLY OUR YOUTH, WITH HEALTHY AND SAFE ENVIRONMENTS. I HOPE YOU APPROVE THE APPLICATION. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> RAY KNIGHT AND AARON FAIR? >> GOOD EVENING, CHAIR, MEMBERS. MY NAME IS RAY KNIGHT. ADDRESS IS 505 SOUTH DELAWARE BOULEVARD. MEMBERS, I AM A DEVELOPER, LANDLORD, I'M A FARMER, I'M A VOLUNTEER, I'M A FATHER OF FOUR. BUT NONE OF THAT IS AS IMPORTANT AS THE WORK THAT YOU DO HERE FOR THE TOWN OF JUPITER THAT WE TRULY LOVE. IT'S YOU AS THE ADVOCATE THAT HELPS EVERYONE SEPARATE THIS TOWN AMONGST OTHERS. MAKING EVERYONE WANT TO CALL JUPITER HOME. LIKE THAT AT CHRIST FELLOWSHIP, WHEN YOU DRIVE TO OUR CAMPUS, THERE'S A BIG SIGN AND IT SAYS, WELCOME HOME, TO WELCOME YOU AND ANYONE ELSE THAT IS SEARCHING. WELL, IT'S BEEN A PRAYER TO MAKE A PERMANENT HOME HERE IN JUPITER. AS A VOLUNTEER WITHOUT, ON WEDNESDAY NIGHTS, WE GET TO SEE WHAT THIS CHURCH DOES HAVE IMPACT FOR OUR YOUTH GENERATION. I SEE THAT PASSION. THE PASSION THAT THEY HAVE SPREAD THROUGH THE COMMUNITY. I WANT YOU TO ACCEPT THAT AND PARTNER WITH US TO HAVE CF HERE IN JUPITER. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> AARON FAIR? >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. I GREW UP IN PALM BEACH GARDENS AND NOW CALL JUPITER HOME. I WORK IN A FINANCIAL CONSULTING FIRM LOCALLY AND THROUGHOUT SOUTH FLORIDA. I HAVE SEEN CHRIST FELLOWSHIP GROW AND ITS IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY, IT'S POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITIES. AS MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, WE'VE BEEN IN JUPITER FOR FIVE YEARS AND SPENT THE LAST THREE YEARS MEETING AT HARBOR SIDE AND THE WYNDHAM. WHILE THAT SPACE HAS BEEN A GOOD SPACE, I THINK WE'VE OUTGROWN IT NOW AT 300 STRONG AND GROWING AND SO THIS OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE INTO THIS NEW SPACE IS ANSWERED PRAYER REALLY. WE'RE JUST EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY. NOT WORTHY AT WYNDHAM, I THINK WAS ALREADY MENTIONED WE'VE HAD NO ISSUES WITH TRAFFIC OR PARKING OR ANY OTHER ISSUES AT THAT SITE FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS, WE EXPECT TO CONTINUE TO HAVE NO ISSUES IN THE NEW SITE AND JUST ONLY POSITIVE IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY. WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE SUPPORT FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AND OF COURSE, THE ENHANCED PARTNERSHIP WITH THE TOWN OF JUPITER AND WITH YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU. >> ANDREW ROUSSEAU AND DICK WITHAM >> HELLO, I'M ANDREW ROUSSEAU, TOWN OF JUPITER RESIDENT, 1304 PENINSULA ROAD. I'VE LIVED HERE MOST OF MY LIFE, WENT TO JUPITER HIGH SCHOOL. I'M ALSO A REAL ESTATE BROKER IN THE AREA AND MY CORE BUSINESS IS JUPITER, SO THIS IS IMPORTANT TO ME. I COULDN'T THINK OF A BETTER FIT FOR THAT OLD GYM THAN A BEAUTIFUL NEW CHURCH. CHRIST FELLOWS CHURCHES IN GENERAL CHRIST FELLOWSHIP IN PARTICULAR, MAKE GOOD NEIGHBORS. THEY'RE GOING TO BEAUTIFY THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY ADD A LOT OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH TO THE NEIGHBORS. THE TRAFFIC ISSUE, I THINK IS HUGE AS WELL JUST AS A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, YOU'RE TAKING A VERY HIGH TRAFFIC USE AND BRING IT DOWN TO A VERY MINIMUM. THE HIGH TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE ON SUNDAY, WHICH IS GOING TO BE THE SLOWEST TIME OF THE WEEK FOR TRAFFIC. PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, IT'S A NO-BRAINER, I THINK AS WELL BUT MORE THAN THAT, THE HEART OF THE MATTER IS THAT IT'S A GREAT FIT FOR THE TOWN OF JUPITER. I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF IT. IT'S BEEN SAID CHRIST FELLOWSHIP CHURCH IS IN GENERAL A GOOD NEIGHBOR. CHRIST FELLOWSHIP IS A GOOD NEIGHBOR. AND NOT ONLY THE GOOD NEIGHBOR, THEY LOVE THEIR NEIGHBOR AS THEMSELVES, SO PLEASE SUPPORT THIS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. DICK WITHAM. >> I'M DICK WITHAM AND I LIVE IN JUPITER IN JONATHAN'S LANDING IS A MATTER OF FACT, AND I SEE ON THE WALL THERE, YOUR FOCUS IS QUALITY OF LIFE, AND I PROMISE YOU, THIS APPROVAL WILL IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN JUPITER AS IT HAS ALREADY. I'VE HAD ACTUALLY THREE CHURCHES AS TENANTS HERE IN JUPITER. I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT THE BEST TENANTS I'VE EVER HAD THEY'RE CLEAN, NEAT THEY IMPROVE THE PROPERTY AND THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AT THAT CENTER THERE THEY WILL VERY MUCH IMPROVE IT. [01:05:03] ONE THING I THINK YOU NEED TO STRONGLY CONSIDER IS YOU'RE SEEING THE TRAFFIC IS A BIG DEAL HERE, OBVIOUSLY. I RUN UP AND DOWN INDIANTOWN ROAD QUITE A BIT [LAUGHTER] AND IF THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN, IT'S GOING TO GO BACK ON THE MARKET OBVIOUSLY. IT'S GOING TO TURN INTO OFFICE SPACE, THAT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER GYM AND YOU'RE GOING TO PUT THOSE 450 TRIPS BACK ON INDIANTOWN ROAD SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO STRONGLY CONSIDER. THANK YOU AND WE'D LOVE TO HAVE YOUR SUPPORT. >> IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU MR. WITHAM. IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU. >> GOOD TO SEE YOU. [LAUGHTER] >> ANOTHER ONE I KNOW. [LAUGHTER] >> RAY MEGANSON AND DAVID DENICO. >> HI, I'M RAY MEGANSON AND I'VE BEEN HERE 22 YEARS. I LOVE THE TOWN OF JUPITER. WHEN WE WERE LOOKING FOR ANOTHER HOME TO GO TO, MY WIFE SAID THE ONLY STIPULATION IS WE DO NOT MOVE OUT OF JUPITER. WE ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS TOWN. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR SERVICE AND HOW WELL THE TOWN IS RUN. I'M ORIGINALLY FROM VIRGINIA BEACH. PEOPLE HAVE COME DOWN TO ACTUALLY MODEL VIRGINIA BEACH OUT OF JUPITER. IT'S REALLY BEEN FUN TO SEE THAT HAPPEN. I'M A BUSINESS OWNER, ALSO CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF HEARTS FOR MOM, THAT WE SUPPORT AS A CHURCH AS WELL, SINGLE MOMS, THAT REALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE THERE. CHRIST FELLOWSHIP IS THE CHURCH OF SERVICE AND I'VE NEVER BEEN SO INVOLVED WITH SERVICE FROM THE STANDPOINT. I GOT THE CHANCE TO BE AT THE FIRST SERVICE AT JUPITER HIGH SCHOOL WHEN WE WERE THERE FOR TWO YEARS, THE FIRST THING WE DID WAS BRING MEALS TO THE TEACHERS, GET STUDENTS INVOLVED. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THIS AT ALL, BUT WE ACTUALLY BOUGHT A BUS FOR THE DRILL TEAM AT JUPITER HIGH SCHOOL. SO THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT. THANKS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU. >> DAVID DAMICO. >> DAVID DAMICO, MARLBERRY CIRCLE JUPITER, FLORIDA. I COULD ECHO EVERYTHING THAT EVERYONE HAS SAID, BUT FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE BOARD FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION. CHRIST FELLOWSHIP AS A CHURCH OF SERVICE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT YOUTH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT MARRIAGES, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT OUTREACH. BUT THEY ALSO HAVE SOMETHING CALLED SERVE SATURDAY THAT YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE AWARE OF, WHERE THEY GO OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY AND IN PALM BEACH GARDENS OFFER THE BEAUTIFICATION OF THE HIGH SCHOOL, OFFER IT TO GO INTO THE AREA WHERE HOUSES THAT MAY BE IN DISTRESS ARE CLEANED UP TO HELP OTHER PEOPLE. THIS APPLICATION WOULD BE A BENEFIT TO THIS COMMUNITY. APPROVING THIS APPLICATION, JUPITER WOULD HAVE TWO LIGHTHOUSES, NOT JUST ONE. [LAUGHTER] >> THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> FINALLY, LORI DENICO IS NOT SPEAKING BUT SUPPORTS THE ISSUE. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. WE WILL GO TO QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER HELD DO YOU WANT TO START US OFF ON THIS ONE? >> THE STAFF QUESTION, THERE IS A CHURCH THAT'S NEXT DOOR, CORRECT? ASCEND. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA OF LIKE MEMBER SEATS ANY SKEPTIC INFORMATION ABOUT THAT? [NOISE] >> I BELIEVE IT'S ABOUT 200 SEATS. >> TWO HUNDRED SEATS. I'M JUST LOOKING AT NOW THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS, THEY WOULD BE USING THE SAME ENTRANCE AND EXIT, CORRECT? >> WE DON'T PARTICULARLY HAVE ANY TRAFFIC PLANNED WITH THEM CURRENTLY, BUT THEY WOULD BE OPERATING UNDER THE SAME ENTRANCES, YES. >> THE QUESTION I'M GOING TO BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THE SERVICES OF WHAT BEING PREPARED, I DID LOOK UP ASCEND HAS A 10:00 AM SERVICE. THEY WOULD BE LEAVING, I WOULD ASSUME WHEN THE 11:00 AM WOULD BE STARTING FOR CHRIST FELLOWSHIP. IS THAT CORRECT? >> I'M NOT FAMILIAR HOW LONG IT'S RUN. >> ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT THERE'S SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT OUT WITH THAT I KNOW IT'S SUNDAY AND WE DISCUSSED ALL THESE OTHER DETAILS, BUT HAVING A 200 SEAT CHURCH CLOSE IN PROXIMITY TO THE CHRIST FELLOWSHIP, I THINK THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE ACKNOWLEDGED AND WORKED OUT TO. >> CERTAINLY. >> BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE SCARY COMING OUT OF THAT ONTO INDIANTOWN WHEN YOU GO AROUND THAT CIRCLE, AS WE ALL KNOW. >> SURE. >> [INAUDIBLE] MR. GRASSIA? [01:10:02] >> [INAUDIBLE] TO THE TRAFFIC ALSO. HOW DO YOU CONTROL TRAFFIC GOING OUT AND MAKE SURE IT ALL TURNS RIGHT? >> I'M SORRY. >> HOW DO YOU CONTROL THE TRAFFIC LEAVING AFTER THE EVENT, AFTER CHURCH TO GO RIGHT? >> THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HERE IN JUPITER, AND TYPICALLY THERE WOULD BE AN OFFICER WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT AS WELL AS THEIR VOLUNTEERS TO CONE OFF AND DIRECT TRAFFIC. >> THAT APPLIES TO PATRONS OF THAT AREA WHO MAY NOT BELONG TO THE CHURCH, DO THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW THOSE TRAFFIC PATTERNS? >> IT COULD, YES. >> LAST QUESTION. IT SEEMS LIKE A VERY POPULAR CHURCH. LOT OF MEMBERS HERE SUPPORTING AND I APPRECIATE THE TESTIMONIALS, 368 SEATS. HOW DO WE WATCH THAT TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T GROW WHEN WE GET INTO A PARKING ISSUE AT THE CHURCH ITSELF. IT'S A CONFINED AREA SO WE CAN'T LET GROWTH GO OUT OF HAND AND EAT UP TO 112 PARKING PLACES WE HAVE, SO I'M JUST CONCERNED HOW THAT'S BEING MONITORED. >> CERTAINLY. AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN PREVIOUS APPLICATIONS, WHEN PEOPLE COME BACK IN OR WHEN APPLICANTS COME BACK INTO AMEND SOME ASPECT OF THEIR PROPERTY IN THE FUTURE. WE TAKE A HOLISTIC LOOK AT THAT APPLICATION AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT'S OUT OF COMPLIANCE OR IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. I WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S THE BEST WAY THAT WE CAN MONITOR THAT, AS WELL AS THROUGH THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT YOU DO HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU. WE DO HAVE MONITORING ONGOING AND WE'VE ESTABLISHED IN AN AGREEMENT WITH THE APPLICANT THAT WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY TRAFFIC ISSUES AND ADDRESS THOSE IMMEDIATELY. >> IT LOOKS LIKE YOU COULD QUICKLY FILL 112 PARKING PLACES ON ANY GIVEN SUNDAY. I JUST WONDER HOW THAT'S BEING MONITORED. THAT WILL THE CHURCH BE TURNING PATRONS AWAY, SAY, HEY, WE'RE AT MAX CAPACITY FOR PARKING. WE CAN'T TAKE ANY MORE IN THE CHURCH OR HOW IS THAT BEING WORKED? >> WELL, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY WOULD BE TURNING PEOPLE AWAY, BUT LIKE I SAID EARLIER, THESE NUMBERS ARE AVERAGES BASED ON THE USE OF STUDIES THAT HAVE HAPPENED BEFORE. TYPICALLY HOW IT WORKS IS PEOPLE WILL FIND OTHER PLACES TO PARK CERTAINLY. BUT 112 IS WHAT THE CODE AND WHAT THE AVERAGES IS ON THE PROPERTY. >> MY ONLY CONCERN WAS THAT THERE WAS NOT A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT UP THE QUESTION. >> CERTAINLY. >> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER KERN [OVERLAPPING] >> JUST TO FOLLOW THAT UP, AS I MENTIONED, WE ATTEND GARDENS AND I KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE ON A SUNDAY IN IT. COMMENT YET, BUT I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT PARKING. I KNOW IT'S COMPLIANT WITH CODE. BUT THINKING, IF I READ THE ARTICLE CORRECTLY IN THE PUMP POSTS, YOU'RE DRAWING ABOUT 500 PEOPLE ON A SUNDAY AT THE WYNDHAM NOW SO THAT'S? >> UP TO ABOUT 250 IN EACH SERVICE. BUT THE REASON THERE'S TWO SERVICES THAT ARE THERE. IF YOU ASSUME A COUPLE OF PEOPLE PER CAR, THREE AND TWO-AND-A-HALF, THAT'S 200 CARS. THAT'S A LOT MORE THAN 110. I DROVE BY THERE WE JUST WERE CURIOUS. MY WIFE AND I DROVE BY ON SUNDAY JUST TO SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE ASCEND, HOW THERE WAS A VERY SMALL NUMBER. BUT IN THINKING ABOUT THE GROWTH AND I KNOW THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN HERE. I THOUGHT, WELL, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THEY'VE TALKED TO OR TRIED TO NEGOTIATE PARKING ACCESS WITH WATER'S EDGE, WITH BRASS RING, WITH ALL THE OTHER RETAILERS THEY'RE ON THERE. BECAUSE THERE'S GOT TO BE ANOTHER 150 SPACES THAT ARE NOT PART OF THIS PARCEL. HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT [OVERLAPPING] >> I'LL BE HAPPY TO. YES, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CUBIC CREEK PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATION TO THE EAST OF US. ACTUALLY, THEY HAD MADE AN OFFER TO THE CHURCH TO LEASE SPACES. IF THAT NEED IS THERE, THAT'S AN OPEN OFFER AND WE'VE ALSO HAD SIMILAR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE WATER'S EDGE. AS YOU SAID, THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO DEAL WITH IT. THERE IS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL AND OF COURSE, WE DO A GREAT JOB IN THE GARDENS AND I HAD BEEN THERE FOR 20 YEARS IN THAT PARKING LOT TRYING TO HELP PERFECT THAT AND TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND THAT'S THE ONE THING I CAN PROMISE YOU ABOUT CHRIST FELLOWSHIP. IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES, THERE'LL BE ADDRESSED IMMEDIATELY. >> I JUST GOT THROWN OFF A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE IN THE APPLICATION IT SAYS A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT WITH ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THE PLAZA COULD NOT BE REACHED. THAT'S WHY [OVERLAPPING] >> IT WASN'T THAT IT COULDN'T BE REACHED UP. IT'S OFTEN FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT, IT'S HARD TO ALWAYS COMMUNICATE WHAT THE ISSUES ARE IN THE TOWNS CONTEXT OF SHARED PARKING. NOT IF YOU OVERFLOW, YOU CAN PARK IN MY PARKING LOT. IT'S A LEGAL PERPETUAL AGREEMENT THAT MANY OF THE REAL ESTATE PEOPLE WHO SPOKE COULD PROBABLY TALK ABOUT, [01:15:01] WHICH IS AN ENCUMBRANCE ON TITLE. THAT'S REALLY WHERE THERE ISN'T A CONCERN, WELL, YOU'RE USING MY PARKING SPACE. IT'S NOT A WILLINGNESS TO ENCUMBER TITLE TO PROVIDE A PERPETUAL PARKING AGREEMENT. NOW, WE DO HAVE AN OFFER FOR SUCH WITH THE ADJACENT PROFESSIONAL CENTER. IF WE HAVE THAT, IT COMES AT A LEAST PRICE UP. BUT IF WE NEED TO, WE WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT AND THAT WAS OFFERED FOR MR. CULLER FOR WHO'S THE EXISTING PRECEDENT OF BOTH ASSOCIATIONS. >> THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF. I KNOW WE'VE GOT A CONDITION IN HERE THAT WE CAN REQUEST THE PARKING STUDY HISTORICALLY, WHAT HAPPENS TO TRIGGER THAT REQUEST TO A USER? DOES SOMEBODY DRAG BY WHEN IT'S OVERFLOWING OR WHATEVER. HOW DOES THAT [OVERLAPPING] >> LIKE MANY CODE ISSUES, THEY'RE TYPICALLY COMPLAINT DRIVEN. IF SOME OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WERE TO COMPLAIN OR OTHERS COMPLAIN OF AN ISSUE, WE WOULD INVESTIGATE THE MATTER IF IT'S DOCUMENTED THAT THEY HAVE PARKING ISSUES REOCCURRING WITH TWO BACK-TO-BACK WEEKS. THE CODE PROVIDES THE AUTHORITY TO PLACE THE OWNER UNNOTICED TO COMPLETE A PARKING ANALYSIS THAT WOULD BE COORDINATED WITH THE TOWN'S TRAFFIC ENGINEER, SO THAT MAKES SURE THAT BEST PRACTICES ARE FOLLOWED. THEN THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THAT STUDY TO REMEDY THE SITUATION WOULD BE PRESENTED TO THE TOWN COUNCIL TO MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO WHAT SHOULD BE REQUIRED OR IF OTHER OPTIONS SHOULD BE EXPLORED. >> I'M NOT SURE THIS IS PROBABLY FOR APPLICANT ART. ALL THESE ADJACENT PARCELS AROUND THE NORTH, WEST, AND EAST, ARE THEY INDIVIDUALLY OWNED? >> YES, THEY ARE. MOST OF THOSE ARE INDIVIDUALLY OWNED IF DONE DIFFERENTLY IN TERMS OF SOME OF THEM, THE PARKING IS COMMON AND THE INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS ARE OWNED ON WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THE EAST SIDE, EACH OF THE PARCELS ARE INDIVIDUALLY OWNED. THE PARCEL IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST OF US, WHICH IS THE JUPITER GREEK CONDO PROFESSIONAL CENTER. THAT'S A CONDOMINIUM. THEY'RE INDIVIDUAL DOCTORS AND ATTORNEYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT ARE WITHIN THAT. NEXT DOOR. >> THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS FOR NOW. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER, DANIEL. >> QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PPC TRAFFIC APPROVAL, WHICH SHE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT HADN'T BEEN APPROVED, BUT THE JUPITER POLICE DEPARTMENT SAYS THAT THEY HAVE GOTTEN THE APPROVAL. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO? >> FOR TRAFFIC, WE DO GO THROUGH OUR OWN APPROVAL OF TOWN JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS ADEQUATELY ACCESSIBLE AND EASY TO SIMULATE HERE FOR PD. THEN THE COUNTY OFFICER GOES TO THEIR OWN APPROVAL. WE ANTICIPATE THAT THAT WILL BE RECEIVED. IT'S JUST HASN'T BEEN SENT VIA THE COUNTY AS OF YET. >> YOU'RE NOT WAITING FOR THE APPLICANT IS JUST IT'S RR. >> IT'S CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW BY THE COUNTY AND THEY'RE WILLING TO SEND. >> IT IS JUST A REVIEW. IS THAT CORRECT? >> I'M SORRY. >> IT'S JUST UNDER REVIEW. IS THAT CORRECT? >> CORRECT. >> WE DON'T EXPECT ANYTHING BIG TO COME OUT OF THAT, BECAUSE OF OUR OWN POLICE DEPARTMENT LOOKING OVER THAT. WE DIDN'T KNOW. >> I MEAN, THE MATTER THAT IT'S A REDUCTION IN TRAFFIC, PRIMARILY THE ACTION THAT THE COUNTY HAS TAKING THIS TO UPDATE THEIR DATABASE ON WHAT IS RESERVE AND COMMITTED TRIPS ASSOCIATED WITH PROPERTIES. IT'S A RECORD-KEEPING PURPOSE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT FROM THE COUNTIES LEVEL, WHEN THERE'S A REDUCTION. CERTAINLY IF THERE WAS AN INCREASE OR A SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC ISSUE, WE MIGHT NOT EVEN BRING THIS APPLICATION FORWARD IF THAT WAS A CONCERN, BECAUSE THERE'S THINGS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DONE BEFORE THEY COME TOWARD TO THE BOARD FOR CONSIDERATION. BUT WE WILL BRING FORWARD APPLICATIONS ON A CONTINGENT BASIS IF WE DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY ISSUES. >> ONE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU FOLKS WOULDN'T BE WONDERFUL NEIGHBORS AND I APPRECIATE THE TURN OUT HERE. THAT'S A GREAT SHOWING FOR YOU. THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT TRAPPING CONCERNS. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE THE TYPE OF NEIGHBORS THAT IF THERE ARE ANY WARRANTY ISSUES THAT YOU WOULD TAKE STEPS TO REMEDY IT AND THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM. IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT IS CORRECT. I'VE GOT 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE MEETING WITH RESIDENTS AND COORDINATING WITH THE CITY OF PALM BEACH GARDENS AT THE MAIN CAMPUS. I CAN PROMISE YOU AND I'M SURE PASTOR ETHAN IS SITTING RIGHT BACK HERE. I CAN PROMISE YOU THEY WILL TAKE CARE OF IT. THERE'LL BE ATTENTIVE TO EVERY SINGLE NEED. I CAN GIVE YOU 100 PEOPLE TO BACK THAT UP IF YOU NEED IT. >> NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WEISMAN? >> YES. THANK YOU. I LIKE THE ANALOGY. IT WOULD BE TWO LIGHTHOUSES [LAUGHTER] I REFRESH MY MEMORY. THERE'S TWO SERVICES CURRENTLY AT WYNDHAM AND THEY WILL BE AT THE NEW CHURCH. >> FOR START THERE'LL BE TWO SERVICES. IF THERE NEEDS TO BE THREE, THEY WOULD ADD AN OR PROBABLY AN EARLIER SERVICE. BUT RIGHT NOW WITH LOOKING AT 09:30 AND 11:00, [01:20:03] WHICH IS WHERE WE'RE AT. IN RESPONSE TO COMMISSIONER HELD'S COMMENTS, WE WILL CERTAINLY MAKE SURE WE CHOREOGRAPH WHEN THE CHURCH LETS OUT. THEY DON'T HAVE A LARGE GROUP THAT ATTENDS THERE NOW, BUT WE CERTAINLY WILL COORDINATE THAT BECAUSE AT CHRIST FELLOWSHIP, IT'S DOWN LITERALLY TO THE SECOND AND WE DO THAT VERY SPECIFICALLY FOR THE PURPOSE OF TRAFFIC AND PARKING MANAGEMENT. >> MY QUESTION IS, YOU ATTENDANCE AT THE TWO EXISTING SERVICES AT THE WYNDHAM. THE FIRST AND SECOND. HOW MANY PEOPLE AT EACH ONE? >> THERE'S ABOUT 250 AT EACH OF THOSE TODAY. >> YOU EXPECT THE SAME? [OVERLAPPING] >> THE SAME HOPEFULLY A FEW MORE. THERE ARE STILL THOSE THAT WILL DRIVE DOWN TO GARDENS BECAUSE THAT'S [OVERLAPPING] >> I'M SORRY. THE CAPACITY AT THE [INAUDIBLE] WOULD BE? >> THREE-SIXTY EIGHT. >> YOU HAVE SOME [OVERLAPPING] >> GROWTH ROOM. >> MY CONCERN IS IF YOU GO REAL FAST, HE MAY BE BACK HERE WITH ANOTHER. YOU GOT TO BE THINKING ABOUT, GEEZ, THINGS ARE REALLY GOING WELL AND IS A ROOM FOR EXPANSION OR WHAT'S OUR NEXT STEP? >> THAT WAS A CERTAIN. THAT'S A GOOD PROBLEM TO HAVE. >> THANK YOU. >> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? >> NO. THANK YOU. >> I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. I HAVE A PARTICULAR EXPERIENCE WITH LIVING WITHIN CLOSE PROXIMITY OF A POPULAR CHURCH. I ALSO ECHO COMMISSIONER HELD'S CONCERN ABOUT THE MITIGATING THE TRACK. MAYBE THIS IS MORE FOR YOU GUYS AT THE STAFF LEVEL, IS TO BE ABLE TO MONITOR THAT. WHETHER IT'S GOING TO INTERFERE WITH THEIR SERVICE AT 10:00 BASED ON THE 9:30 AND 11:00 MEETING TIMES. I WOULD REALLY WANT THAT ADDRESSED BEFORE IT GOES TO COUNSEL. THE PARKING IS ALSO A BIG CONCERN FOR ME BECAUSE AGAIN, MY EXPERIENCE IS THAT YOUTH HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT COME TO EACH SERVICE, BUT YOU WANT TO GROW AND IF THE PARKING ISN'T ADEQUATE, THE STAFF REPORT SAID IT COULD CREATE AN INADEQUATE PARKING. MY RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD BE TO HAVE A PARKING DEMAND STUDY DONE BEFORE IT GOES TO COUNSEL, BECAUSE IT'S A LOT OF ISSUES WHEN YOU LIVE THERE. THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING BUTTS UP AGAINST THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR YOU, MR. HEARING, IS THIS PARTICULAR CHURCH HAS BANDS, CORRECT? >> THEY DO. >> NOW THIS MIGHT GO TO THE TOWN. IS THAT, HOW DO WE MITIGATE THE NOISE COMING OUT OF THE BUILDING? BACK TO YOU DON HERRING. WHAT TIME DOES THE BAND COME ON SUNDAYS TO START WARMING UP FOR THEIR SERVICES? >> HALF AN HOUR EARLIER. >> NO. THEY'LL BE THERE AN HOUR EARLIER. >> AN HOUR EARLIER, SO IF IT'S A 9:30 SERVICE, 8:30. >> 8:30 IN THE MORNING, THE BAND CAN REHEARSE. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THE TOWN CAN MITIGATE THE SOUND THAT COMES OUT OF THAT BUILDING? >> I CAN ANSWER IT BECAUSE I'VE GOT A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH IT. >> I HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH THE TOO IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD ON SUNDAY MORNINGS AT 07:30. [LAUGHTER] THAT'S WHY I'M WANTING NOT TO INTERFERE ON THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE LIVING BEHIND THERE BECAUSE WHAT I HEAR IS THE BOOM, BOOM, BOOM OF THE BASE AT 07:30 IN THE MORNING, AND I LIVE FOUR HOUSES AWAY FROM THE OTHER CHURCH. WHAT I WANT IS TO BE ABLE TO COORDINATE WITH THE TOWN TO MAKE SURE THAT SOUND OF THE BAND DOES NOT DISTURB THE RESIDENTS OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING. IF THERE'S NOISE ORDINANCES THAT WOULD APPLY TO NOISE THAT EMANATES FROM THE BUILDING, THEN I WOULD WANT THOSE TO BE APPLIED AND TO BE MONITORED. THEN MR. HEARING, YOU SPOKE EARLIER ABOUT EVENTS MOST OF THE CHRISTMAS, EASTER, THE HIGH HOLIDAYS, I CALL THEM, EVENTS WOULD BE AT PALM BEACH GARDENS. ARE THERE ANYTHING OTHER THAN WEDNESDAY NIGHT? IS THERE ANY OTHER EVENTS OR PROGRAMS, FUN THINGS THAT THEY DO THAT WOULD TAKE PART OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING? >> NOT HERE. I MEAN, THOSE TYPES OF ACTIVITIES DO OCCUR DOWN AT PALM BEACH GARDENS WHERE THERE ARE A MEN'S NIGHT WHERE THEY DO THINGS IN THE OUTSIDE. [01:25:03] BUT HERE THERE'D BE NOTHING THAT WOULD OCCUR OUTSIDE THE BUILDING. JUST EVERYTHING WILL OCCUR INSIDE THE BUILDING. >> THEN HOW WOULD THE TOWN MONITOR WHETHER THAT HOLDS TRUE OR NOT? A YEAR FROM NOW THEY DECIDED THEY WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING OUT IN THE PARKING LOT. >> THERE WILL BE A BIG SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT. >> THAT HAS TO BE STIPULATED THAT ANY EVENTS OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING HAVE TO BE PERMITTED. BECAUSE AGAIN, I HAVE EXPERIENCED IT WITH MY NEIGHBORHOODS, SO WITH EVENTS HAPPENING THAT ARE NOT PERMITTED. LET'S SEE. TO COMMISSIONER COLLINS CONCERNS AS WELL ABOUT EXPANSION AND HOW TO MONITOR. WE HAVE 368 SEATS, SO 400 PEOPLE SHOW UP ON A SUNDAY AND THEY WON'T GET TURNED AWAY. IT'S ON A SUNDAY, CODE COMPLIANCE ISN'T HERE AND IT CAN'T BE PREDICATED ON A COMPLAINT BECAUSE IT'S REALLY A LOT OF WORK FOR A RESIDENT OR SOMEONE TO HAVE TO CONTINUE TO COMPLAIN THAT THERE'S AN OVERFLOW OF WHAT NORMALLY SHOULD BE THERE. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD BE MANAGED. >> THERE ARE SOME CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITIES OR MONITORING THAT GOES ON ON THE WEEKENDS. IF THERE ARE COMPLAINTS, I BELIEVE THEY WILL WORK TO GET A SHIFT OR SOMEONE TO COVER A SHIFT DURING THOSE TIMES TO CHECK ON THOSE ITEMS. BUT THOSE THINGS ARE ADMINISTERED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE CODE COMPLIANCE DIVISION. AS IT RELATES TO THE QUESTION ABOUT OUTSIDE ACTIVITIES OR HOURS FOR PRACTICE OR SOME OF THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES, I WOULD JUST REMIND YOU THIS IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION USE IF THE BOARD DETERMINES THAT THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT NUISANCES THAT COULD BE CREATED BY THE PROPOSED USE. YOU CAN RECOMMEND APPROPRIATE CONDITIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN AND RECOMMEND IT TO THE TOWN COUNCIL. AS WAS MENTIONED, IF THERE'S AGREEMENT THAT NOTHING IS GOING TO OCCUR OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING SO FAR AS ACTIVITIES, YOU COULD RECOMMEND THAT CONDITION AND STATE SPECIFICALLY IF THERE ARE OTHER ITEMS THAT IT WOULD REQUIRE AN AMENDMENT TO THEIR APPROVAL OR SUBMISSION OF A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT TO AUTHORIZE THE EVENT IF SUCH EVENT IS ALLOWED BY THE SPECIAL PERMIT ORDINANCE. >> THEN I KNOW MR. HEARING, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO SHOW THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS GOING OUT TO [INAUDIBLE] AND HAVING A FLAG MAN THERE. IF WE'RE DIRECTING EVERYBODY TO GO RIGHT, WHY WOULD WE DIRECT PEOPLE DOWN [INAUDIBLE]? >> WELL, THE GREAT PART ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR SITE IS IT'S GOT MULTIPLE ENTRANCES. IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO DRIVE THAT WAY THEY COULD. WE'RE JUST SAYING THAT WE'LL HAVE A FLAG MAN THERE SO THAT WE CAN KEEP THE CARS MOVING TOWARD INDIANTOWN ROAD AND NOT GOING INTO THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. >> ON THE WEST SIDE OF THAT COMMERCIAL. >> THAT'S THE GOODWILL OVER ON THAT SIDE. >> BECAUSE FLAG MAN STANDING IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE DIRECTING TRAFFIC IS CONCERNING. >> IT WOULDN'T IN FRONT. IT'LL BE IN FRONT OF THE COMMERCIAL AREA, NOT IN ANY RESIDENTIAL AREA AT ALL. >> I THINK THAT'S REALLY ALL MY QUESTIONS ON THAT. THANK YOU. WE'RE TO DO THE DELIBERATION. YOU WANT START OFF? >> A COUPLE OF MORE QUESTIONS. >> YOU WANT TO ASK? >> IF YOU DON'T MIND? >> NO, ABSOLUTELY. GO AHEAD. >> TYPICALLY, I ASSUME THAT ONCE CHURCHES GET TO WHERE THEY'RE GROWING SIGNIFICANTLY, THEY OFFER DIFFERENT TYPES OF WORSHIP. IS THAT CORRECT? MAYBE SATURDAY OR DIFFERENT TIMES IS THAT YOU WOULD BE AGREEABLE TO? >> ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S WHAT WE DO TODAY IN MANY OF OUR DIFFERENT LOCATIONS WHERE THERE'S THREE SERVICES AT THE GARDENS CAMPUS RIGHT NOW. CERTAINLY THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD DO. WE HAVE THE UTMOST REPUTATION ABOUT DOING EVERYTHING WITH EXCELLENCE. HAVING WITNESSED IT FOR SO MANY YEARS ON SO MANY DIFFERENT CAMPUSES THROUGHOUT SOUTH FLORIDA, WE'LL COMMIT TO YOU THAT WE WILL BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. TO MS. GROOMS COMMENTS ABOUT ABOUT NOISE WOULD VERY MUCH BE AN ISSUE. WE HAVE GOVERNORS THAT ARE PUT ON THE SOUND SYSTEMS, WE MONITOR IT. IF THERE'S EVER ANY COMPLAINT, WE ADDRESS IT AND WE'RE EXTREMELY PROACTIVE AND WE CAN PROMISE YOU THAT THAT SAME LEVEL OF [01:30:04] CARE WILL HAPPEN HERE LITERALLY TO THE UTMOST DEGREE BECAUSE THEY DO EVERYTHING VERY WELL. >> YOU COULD ALSO DO VIDEO AT YOUR SERVICE, IS THAT CORRECT? SO YOU DON'T HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE THERE? >> WELL, YES. WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S CALLED CHRIST FELLOWSHIP EVERYWHERE. YOU CAN WATCH ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. YOU CAN WATCH ANY SERVICE AT ANYTIME LIVE. A LOT OF PEOPLE DO THAT ON A RAINY DAY. THEY'LL SIT HOME AND WATCH IT OVER THE INTERNET. I THINK YOU WANT TO STORE IT, WHICH IS NOT FURTHER AWAY. THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE THERE. >> THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THEY'D LIKE TO ASK OR FOLLOW-UPS. WE'LL GO TO DELIBERATION ON THE SITE PLAN, WHATEVER. [LAUGHTER] COMMISSIONER WEISMAN. >> I THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD PROJECT. THERE'S A TERRIFIC REUSE OF AN EXISTING STRUCTURE. IT'S GREAT. I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT. TO ME, THEY'VE CHECKED ALL THE BOXES. >> THANK YOU. >> YOU HAVE A TREMENDOUS TURNOUT TONIGHT. I ASSUME JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY HERE IS FOR THE CHURCH. IS THERE ANYBODY AGAINST IT? THAT'S REALLY EXCITING TO HAVE AND I'M GLAD TO SEE THE SUPPORT HERE, IT SPEAKS A LOT. I'VE BEEN TO YOUR CHURCH ONCE OR TWICE ALSO AND KNOW WHAT YOU STAND FOR. I JUST THINK THAT BASED ON WHAT I'VE HEARD, THE PARTNERSHIP THAT YOU WANT TO OFFER, THE PUBLIC BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY BY BRINGING A POSITIVE ASPECT TO THE COMMUNITY. YOU'RE PARTNERING WITH THINGS THAT YOU'RE DOING, PAST HAVE DONE WITH THE SCHOOLS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. I THINK THAT'S A TREMENDOUS PUBLIC BENEFIT THAT WE TYPICALLY TRY TO PUT ON PEOPLE THAT ARE MAKING MONEY OR ARE NOT-FOR-PROFIT. WE DON'T PUT ANYTHING ON, BUT YOUR BENEFIT TO THE PUBLIC IN MY OPINION FAR EXCEEDS SOME OF WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM MONEY-MAKING VENTURES. I APPRECIATE THAT. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. >> YOUR HAPPINESS TAKES OVER. I JUST WANT TO SHARE THAT WITH EVERYBODY HERE. YOU REALLY HAVE TOUCHED ME AND I KNOW THAT MANY PEOPLE HERE. I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING FOR THE COMMUNITY, BUT I DO THINK THAT WE DO NEED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT COMMISSIONER KERN, MYSELF HAD JUST ABOUT THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS. I THINK EVERYBODY HERE WOULD AGREE THAT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S A WIN-WIN FOR EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GRASSIA. >> COUPLE OF ITEMS HERE [INAUDIBLE] >> THANK YOU. >> SORRY ABOUT THAT. [INAUDIBLE] AGREES WITH ALL THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL PREPARED BY THE STAFF. I THINK IT IS AN EXCELLENT USE OF THE PROPERTY AND IT'S GOOD TO SEE THE PROPERTY GETTING A FACELIFT, THE PAINTING, LANDSCAPE, AND EVERYTHING. I THINK THAT'S GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY AND AS AN ADDED BONUS, REDUCTION IN TRAFFIC. I AM STILL A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT GROWTH AND THE PARKING. I'D ECHO WHAT [NOISE] CHAIRMAN SAID REGARDING THE NOISE, WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT CAN MEAN TO THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> THANK YOU. >> THANKS, I HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A BUNCH OF YEARS. YOUR ASSESSMENT OF THE CONGREGATION, THE SERVICE, EVERYTHING IS ACCURATE. WE'VE HAD NOTHING BUT GREAT EXPERIENCES THERE. I JUST JOTTED DOWN THREE SPECIFIC THINGS AS PART OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. ONE WOULD BE PERMITS FOR ANY EVENTS TO BE HELD OUTSIDE THE PHYSICAL BUILDING. THE SECOND THING, I THINK WE NEED TO BE PROACTIVE ON THE PARKING STUDY. I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND PERHAPS THAT WE COMMISSION A STUDY 30 DAYS AFTER THEY FIRST HAVE A SERVICE SO WE CAN GET AHEAD OF THAT, AND THEN FINALLY THE SOUND. I THINK WE NEED WHATEVER STAFF RECOMMENDS; DB LEVELS OR WHATEVER OUTSIDE THE BACK OF THE BUILDING BETWEEN THERE AND THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS AS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. >> THANK YOU. I WOULD ECHO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS' ASSESSMENT OF THE CONGREGATION HERE. IT WAS GOOD TO SEE SO NICE, FAMILIAR FACES I HAVEN'T SEEN IN A WHILE. I WOULD JUST ECHO TO THE TOWN STAFF THAT [NOISE] I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CURRAN'S RECOMMENDATION ON THE PARKING STUDY. I THINK THAT IT CAN BE SOMETHING THAT GETS OUT OF CONTROL VERY QUICKLY AND WITHOUT A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT IN PLACE, IT OPENS ITSELF UP TO PARKING WARS AND THEN PEOPLE WANTING TO BLOCK OFF THINGS AND THEN [01:35:02] EVERYBODY IS MAD BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET A PARKING SPACE. WE DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO BE UPSET BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GO TO CHURCH. THE OTHER BIG THING FOR ME IS THE COORDINATION OF TRAFFIC WITH DSN CHURCH TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT OVERSTEPPING ON THEIR SERVICE. EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE A SMALLER CONGREGATION, I REALLY DON'T WANT TO INTERFERE WITH THEIR WORSHIP EITHER, AND THE NOISE, ANYTHING TO DO WITH OUTSIDE EVENTS OR WHATEVER, CAR WASHES, WHATEVER YOU DO TO FUNDRAISE WHATEVER. ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING NEEDS TO BE PERMITTED. THEN THE NOISE ORDINANCE FROM THE MUSIC IS A BIG CONCERN FOR ME. TYPICALLY, THEY TEND TO BE A LITTLE HEAVY ON THE BASS [LAUGHTER] AND THEN IT'S A LITTLE [NOISE] AT 7:30 IN THE MORNING. I WOULD WANT TO HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATION FOR THAT TO BE MITIGATED AND THAT THEY CAN'T BE HEARD OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING. DO WE HAVE THOSE IN THERE? I'M SORRY. >> COMMISSIONER CURRAN MENTIONED 30 DAYS AFTER THE FIRST SERVICE FOR THE PARKING STUDY. >> I JUST THOUGHT MAYBE 60, 30. [OVERLAPPING] >> I WAS THINKING IN THE BEGINNING THEY GET A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING TO SEE WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT SO MAYBE 60 DAYS OR SO WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE. THAT'S ALL. >> SO 60. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> DO YOU GUYS NEED ANYTHING ELSE FROM US? [NOISE] >> NO, JUST IF YOU WANT US TO DEVELOP SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS [INAUDIBLE] >> I JUST SAID, IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC ISSUES THAT YOU WANT STAFF TO DEVELOP CONDITIONS ON, THAT YOU'RE NOT PREPARED TONIGHT TO BE SPECIFIC ABOUT, AT LEAST GIVE US THE PARAMETERS OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. THE NOISE ORDINANCE WILL APPLY TO THE USE AND IT WILL BE ABLE TO BE MONITORED BY CODE COMPLIANCE. BUT IF YOU WANT ANYTHING ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THE NOISE ORDINANCE IS, THAT WOULD NEED TO BE RECOMMENDED AS A CONDITION. >> ON A SUNDAY MORNING THERE'S NOBODY FROM CODE ON DUTY, SO WHO'S GOING TO MONITOR THAT? I DON'T WANT THE RESIDENTS TO HAVE TO COMPLAIN THAT THEY CAN'T GO SIT OUTSIDE AND HAVE A CUP OF COFFEE WITHOUT HEARING THE MUSIC FROM THE BUILDING. >> IF YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION, YOU CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. I'M NOT IN CHARGE OF THAT DEPARTMENT, SO I CAN'T COMMIT TO WHAT THAT DEPARTMENT WILL OR WON'T DO. >> IT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THEM AND HOW THEY COULD MONITOR THAT. >> I GOT TO SUGGEST PERHAPS. >> GO AHEAD. >> MAYBE DO A DRY RUN BEFORE THEY OPEN AND MAYBE THE NOISE ORDINANCE OR NOISE COMPLIANCE PEOPLE COULD BE THERE AND MAY DO SOME MEASUREMENTS, MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS WORKING PROPERLY. >> [OVERLAPPING] I WOULD EXPECT THAT WOULD BE FEASIBLE. IF YOU MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION, WE'LL RUN THAT THROUGH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OUR CODE COMPLIANCE DIVISION TO GET ANY FEEDBACK OR INPUT WITH WHAT WE WRITE UP FOR THE TOWN COUNCIL STAFF REPORT. >> OKAY. I WAS GOING BASED ON WHAT WEST PALM BEACH WAS DOING WITH DOWNTOWN CALAMITOUS, WITH THE BARS AND STUFF AND PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THE MIX USED AND THE BARS HAVING THEIR DOORS OPEN AT NIGHT AND YOU CAN HEAR THE MUSIC AND SO FAR NEAR CHURCHES AT NIGHT LEAVE THEIR DOORS OPEN, BUT STILL, THERE'S SOME REGULATION THAT MONITORS HOW MUCH NOISE IS OUTSIDE THE BUILDING THAT YOU CAN HEAR, I DON'T KNOW. BUT THAT WOULD BE GREAT. I CAN MAKE A MOTION. CAN I SURMISE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION? A PARKING STUDY WITHIN 60 DAYS, 90 DAYS. >> IS IT 60 OR 90? >> SIXTY. >> SIXTY. >> SIXTY. >> SIXTY. >> SIXTY'S FINE WITH ME, SO PARKING STUDY WITHIN 60 IS THE RECOMMENDATION. >> MITIGATION OF IT WITH THE SOUND. >> THE TRAFFIC AND PARKING MITIGATION WITH THE OTHER CHURCH THAT USES IT ON SUNDAYS OR ANY OTHER BUSINESSES REALLY THAT ARE THERE ON SUNDAYS. [OVERLAPPING] I'M GETTING THERE. THE CODE COMPLIANCE TO [NOISE] OVERSEE AND MONITOR THE MUSIC OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING AND THEN SPECIAL PERMITS FOR ANYTHING HAPPENING OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING WOULD BE THE RECOMMENDATIONS, CORRECT? >> YES. >> DID I GET IT CLEAR? >> YOU COVERED THEM. [OVERLAPPING] WE CAN MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT. [01:40:01] >> APPROVE [OVERLAPPING] >> BASED ON THE CONDITIONS AND STAFF AND THE CONDITIONS THAT [OVERLAPPING] >> [INAUDIBLE] >> THE RECOMMENDATION WAS [OVERLAPPING] SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE REVIEWED BY THE CHAIR. >> AND THE STAFF CONDITIONS. >> YES. >> THE MOTION IS MADE? >> SECOND? >> SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CURRAN. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> AYE. >> AYE. >> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? HEARING NONE, THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. [APPLAUSE] THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT. >> THANK YOU. >> WE DON'T USUALLY HAVE A BIG AUDIENCE LIKE THIS. [LAUGHTER] [BACKGROUND] GROW, LET THEM GO OUT. DOES ANYBODY NEED TO TAKE A BREAK OR ANYTHING? [BACKGROUND] [NOISE] OKAY. I THINK WE CAN GO AHEAD AND CARRY ON NOW. OUR LAST POINT OF BUSINESS TONIGHT IS [6.B.4. Town Center Zoning Text Amendment to Section 27-1110 to increase density to 20 DU/AC and reduce the Commercial Core requirement – (PZ#23-5232)] THE ABACOA TOWN CENTER ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT FOR ABACOA. WE HAVE TO DO DISCLOSURES[LAUGHTER] GO AHEAD. MR. COMMISSIONER. >> NO, IT'S NOT A QUASI-JUDICIAL ITEM I'S A TEXT AMENDMENT. >> WE DON'T HAVE TO DO DISCLOSURES. >> THAT'S CORRECT BECAUSE TEXT ELEMENTS ARE NOT QUANTITATIVE, JUDICIAL. >> FANTASTIC, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANY SWEARING IN, CORRECT? >> BECAUSE IT'S NOT CROSS. >> FANTASTIC. >> THANK YOU. [LAUGHTER] >> GO AHEAD. >> GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS GEORGE MIDSUMMER WITH [INAUDIBLE] HEARING HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT AND THE PROPERTY OWNER. WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THREE ZONING TEXTS AMENDMENTS SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE ABACOA TOWN CENTER SUB-DISTRICT. THESE AMENDMENTS ARE INTENDED TO FACILITATE ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL WITHIN THE TOWN CENTER TO SUPPORT THE EXISTING BUSINESSES AND THE TOWN CENTER AS A WHOLE. AGAIN, THE APPLICANT AND PROPERTY OWNERS AREAS LAND ACQUISITION, LLC, WHO WAS A SUBSIDIARY OF THE RINNE DINA COMPANIES WHO HAVE PARTNERED WITH THE RICHMOND GROUP OF FLORIDA TO BRING THIS PROJECT FORWARD AND THIS IS THE FIRST STEP TO MAKING THAT A REALITY. BOTH OF THESE COMPANIES ARE HEADQUARTERED HERE LOCALLY. THEY HAVE A LONG-STANDING REPUTATION WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, HAVE BROUGHT FORWARD A NUMBER OF HIGH-QUALITY DEVELOPMENTS. QUICKLY SUMMARIZING WHAT THESE AMENDMENTS ARE INTENDED TO DO. ONE, WE'RE PERMITTING GROUND FLOOR RESIDENTIAL ON THE THREE REMAINING UNDEVELOPED PARCELS WITHIN THE ABACOA TOWN CENTER AND THESE REPRESENT THREE OF THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE INTERSECTION OF AVENUE A AND MAIN STREET TO WHERE ESTABLISHING INAPPROPRIATE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY FOR A MIXED USE TOWN CENTER. THREE, WE'RE PROVIDING A TRUE WORKFORCE HOUSING INCREASES ABOVE THE STANDARD TOWN CODE REQUIREMENTS. LOOKING MORE CLOSELY AT THOSE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT TO SECTION 27-11-10, THIS IS THE TOWN CENTER SUB-DISTRICT WE ARE ESTABLISHING AN APPROPRIATE MAXIMUM RESIDENTIAL DENSITY OF 20 UNITS PER ACRE WITHIN THAT DISTRICT. CURRENTLY, THERE IS NO LISTED MAXIMUM DENSITY WITHIN THE TOWN CENTER SUB-DISTRICT. A SEPARATE CODE REFERENCES THAT ANY NON-RESIDENTIAL SUB-DISTRICT IS CONFINED TO THE RESIDENTIAL URBAN DESIGNATION, WHICH IS 16 UNITS PER ACRE SO THAT'S BEEN THE INTERPRETATION OF THE CODES THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE YEARS. NOW LOOKING AT TOWN CENTERS AND THE HISTORY OF TOWN CENTERS, THERE IS ALWAYS GROWTH PANE. THERE'S AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE, AS CAN BE SEEN, OVER A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE SIMILAR, SOME OF WHICH WERE REFERENCED IN THE STAFF REPORT, MEISSNER PARK, [01:45:04] MIAMI LAKES, CELEBRATION, CITY PLACE. THERE'S A NUMBER OF ARTICLES OVER THE YEARS OF STRUGGLES THROUGH THESE DEVELOPMENTS AND ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS THE TREASURE COAST REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL HAVE EVEN SUGGESTED THAT TOWN CENTERS SHOULDN'T HAVE A MINIMUM OR MAXIMUM RESIDENTIAL DENSITY, AND THAT DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS SHOULD GUIDE THAT. BUT WE FEEL THAT A 20 UNIT MAXIMUM IS APPROPRIATE FOR A TOWN CENTER. MOVING TO THE DESIGN REGULATIONS, WE'RE MODIFYING THE COMMERCIAL CORE REQUIREMENT TO REDUCE FROM 30% OF THE TOTAL TOWN CENTER TO 25% AND THIS IS BEING PROPOSED SO THAT WE CAN REMOVE THESE THREE PARCELS FROM THE COMMERCIAL CORE. ACCORDING TO THE CURRENT SUB-DISTRICT PLAN THESE THREE PARCELS ARE 100% WITHIN THE COMMERCIAL CORE, WHICH MEANS NO RESIDENTIAL CAN BE DONE ON THE GROUND FLOOR. WE'VE SPOKEN TO A NUMBER OF LOCAL BUSINESS OWNERS AND AS WELL AS JUST EXAMINING THE HISTORY OF THE TOWN CENTER. MORE RETAIL, MORE COMMERCIAL, MORE OFFICE IS NOT GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL USE IN THIS LOCATION. THERE'S A NUMBER OF FACTORS THAT GO INTO THAT THAT WE CAN GET INTO. FINALLY, SECTION 207-31-902, WORKFORCE HOUSING REQUIREMENTS, WE'RE MODIFYING TO PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL 6% DWELLING UNITS IN EXCESS OF 16 UNITS PER ACRE AS TRUE WORKFORCE HOUSING. THOSE UNITS WOULD BE PROVIDED IN THE INCOME RANGE 101%-220% AREA MEDIA INCOME. THIS IS BEING DONE TO PROVIDE THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF WORKFORCE UNITS THAT WE CAN COMMIT TO. AGAIN, UNITS PROVIDED AT THE LOWER INCOME RANGES GENERALLY ASSOCIATED WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THIS IS JUST A BENEFIT TO THE PROJECT TO PROVIDE AS MUCH AS WE CAN. LOOKING AT THE ABACOA TOWN CENTER, IT'S A TOTAL OF 70.36 ACRES OUTLINED ON THE SCREEN AND THROUGH THE INITIAL DEVELOPMENT OF ABACOA SOME 30 YEARS AGO, THE PLANNING STAGES HAD THIS TOWN CENTER SECLUDED FROM DONALD ROSS ROAD. IT'S SURROUNDED BY INTERNAL USES THAT MAKE IT SOMEWHAT DIFFICULT. AGAIN, OUR FOCUS IS TO LOOK FORWARD ON THE FUTURE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, NOT LOOKING TOWARDS THE PAST, IT'S DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE. WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE MARKET CONDITIONS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF US AND LET THE MARKET INFLUENCE THE EVOLUTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT. QUICKLY, LOOKING AT SOME RECENT HISTORY OF THE ABACOA AT DRI, RESOLUTION NUMBER 57, 18, AND ORDINANCE NUMBER 13-18 REPEALED AND REPLACED THE DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL IMPACT AND IMPROVE THE MASTER SITE PLAN FOR THE ABACOA MIXED-USE DISTRICT, WHICH INCLUDED ALL THE EXISTING ENTITLEMENTS AND ALLOWED THE [INAUDIBLE], THE ABILITY TO EXCHANGE AND CONVERT THOSE EXISTING APPROVED ENTITLEMENTS BASED ON A PM PEAK HOUR TRIP BASIS. THERE WAS A NUMBER OF EXISTING AND ENTITLEMENTS APPROVED WITHIN ABACOA THAT THE ROADS AND UTILITIES AND EVERYTHING WERE BUILT FOR AND SO CONVERTING THE EXISTING ENTITLEMENTS TO OTHER USES WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS AGREED TO THROUGH THESE APPROVALS, AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT SELF-IMPOSED TO BE BEHOLDEN TO THE TOWN WORKFORCE HOUSING PROGRAM REQUIREMENTS FOR ANY NEW RESIDENTIAL WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY NOT A REQUIREMENT, AND ALL NEW NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE LINKAGE FEE. A SUMMARY OF THE REMAINING ENTITLEMENTS WITHIN THE TOWN CENTER, AND THESE ARE PRIMARILY ALL LOCATED ON THE HIGHLIGHTED PORTIONS OF THE CENTER, WHICH IS OUR AFFECTED AREA AND WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADD RESIDENTIAL UNITS. THE CONVERSION OF THESE REMAINING ENTITLEMENTS WOULD LEAVE MORE THAN 200,000 SQUARE FEET OF UNUSED ENTITLEMENT WITHIN THE TOWN CENTER SO THAT MEANS THAT WITH THE ADDITION OF THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, THE CONVERSION OF EXISTING ENTITLEMENT STILL HAVE AN EXCESS OF 200,000 SQUARE FEET THAT EFFECTIVELY COULDN'T BE BUILT WITHIN THE TOWN CENTER. SO THAT WOULD REPRESENT ROUGHLY 100 PEAK HOUR PM TRIPS THAT WOULD BE REDUCED FROM THE APPROVES ENTITLEMENTS. THE PROPOSAL, THE PLAN FOR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS SUPPORT EXISTING TOWN CENTER BUSINESSES, PROMOTE THRIVING AND WALKABLE TOWN CENTER, AND PROVIDE CRITICALLY NEEDED HOUSING IN A LOCATION THAT'S MOST APPROPRIATE. THERE'S REALLY NOT ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY WITHIN THE TOWN OF JUPITER TO PROVIDE A RESIDENTIAL PROJECT IF THIS IMPACT AND ITS IMPORTANCE AND IT'S ONE OF THE MORE APPROPRIATE LOCATIONS BEING WITHIN THE TOWN CENTER AND THIS ISN'T THE MOST DENSE DISTRICT WITHIN ABACOA AS DESCRIBED WITHIN THE STAFF REPORT. [01:50:03] WE'RE PROVIDING ADDITIONAL WORKFORCE HOUSING ABOVE THE TOWN REQUIREMENTS, ENHANCING SUSTAINABILITY, AND SOLVING THE TOWN CENTER PARKING AND BASEBALL THESE AGREEMENTS SO THAT'S BEEN A LONG-STANDING ISSUE WITHIN THE TOWN CENTER. WITH THE PROPOSED INCREASES IN THE PARKING COUNTS, THE SHARED PARKING BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND BASEBALL AND THE OTHER EXISTING USES WITHIN THE TOWN CENTER WE'RE ABLE TO BALANCE THAT PARKING SO THAT WE CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THOSE LONGSTANDING AGREEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE. AGAIN, QUICK SUMMARY THE PLAN PROPOSES 344 RESIDENTIAL APARTMENT UNITS, 13 GROUND FLOOR LIVE WORK UNITS. THOSE GROUND FLOOR LIVE WORK UNITS, WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH STAFF PROVIDING THEM ALONG THE THE MAIN INTERSECTION AREA TO ACTIVATE THAT AREA, PROVIDING TWO-STORY FRONTAGE, ENHANCING THAT, PROVIDING PUBLIC PICKLEBALL COURTS OPEN TO ANYONE IN THE TOWN, PROVIDING PUBLIC RIDESHARE DROP-OFF LOCATION, AGAIN, TO SUPPORT THE TOWN CENTER AND THEN THREE NEW OPEN PUBLIC PARKING STRUCTURES. ONE OF THE NEW STRUCTURES IS ACTUALLY IN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING PARKING STRUCTURE, WHICH WOULD MAKE IT ROUGHLY 1,200 SPACES, AND OVER 1,000 OF THOSE WOULD BE OPEN PUBLIC PARKING FOR THE TOWN CENTER AND BASEBALL TO USE. AGAIN, TALKING ABOUT THE BASEBALL PARKING, EXISTING PARKING AGREEMENTS AND BASEBALL CONTRACTS THROUGH 2049. LOOKING AT, AGAIN, THE ECONOMIC REALITIES OF THE TOWN CENTER, WE ENGAGED A MARKET STUDY FROM HAGFISH KIND, PART OF THE DUE DILIGENCE TO EXPLAIN WHY RESIDENTIAL WAS THE BEST USE FOR THE TOWN CENTER. AGAIN, WE TALK ABOUT THE DESIGN OF THE TOWN CENTER. WE CAN'T REALLY FOCUS ON THE ISSUES OF THE PAST. WE NEED TO LOOK FORWARD AND THE BEST WAY TO ENHANCE THE TOWN CENTER AND MAKE IT SUSTAINABLE FOR THOSE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS AND THE EXISTING RESIDENTS WE DIVIDED FROM THE INTERNAL CAPTURE OF THE REST OF ABBA COLA BY USES SUCH AS THE GOLF COURSE, BASEBALL FAU. INCREASING THE NUMBER OF CONVENIENT RESIDENCES WILL SUPPORT THE TOWN CENTER. AGAIN, LOOKING BACK AT SOME OF THE HISTORY, THESE PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN LARGELY VACANT FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS. WE'RE NOT FOR LACK OF TRYING, THESE PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN ACTIVELY MARKETED BOTH LOCALLY AND NATIONALLY AND INTERNATIONALLY FOR THAT ENTIRE PERIOD. YOU'LL REMEMBER THAT 4,000 SEAT MOVIE THEATER WAS CONSTRUCTED AND THEN DEMOLISHED ON THE PROPERTY. THEN IN 2017 AN APPROVAL FOR 1,000 SEAT MOVIE THEATER WAS OBTAINED. THE END-USER FOR THAT WERE BACKED OUT AND BACKUP USER COULD NOT BE FOUND FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT. IF A USER COULD BE FOUND TO OCCUPY AN OFFICE SPACE, COMMERCIAL BUILDING, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PURSUED. IT'S BEEN REALLY DIFFICULT TO FIND THOSE USERS. TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HOUSING SHORTAGE WITHIN PALM BEACH NORTH. WE HAVE TREMENDOUS JOB GROWTH IN THE AREA OF GREAT LOCAL BUSINESSES THAT SEEK TO PUT THEIR EMPLOYEES IN CLOSE PROXIMITY. SPEAKING FROM OUR OWN PERSONAL OFFICE EXPERIENCE, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES THAT TRAVELS FROM AS FAR NORTH AS FORT PIERCE, AS FAR SOUTH AS BOKEH, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO FIND THOSE LOCAL HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF GREAT HIGH-PAYING JOB AVAILABLE AND EMPLOYERS THAT ARE LOOKING TO EXPAND AND GROW THEIR BUSINESSES THAT ARE HERE ALREADY. WITHOUT THOSE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES THROUGH SOME POTENTIAL TO STAGNATE OUR LOCAL ECONOMY. RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE TOWN CENTER PRESENTS A SUSTAINABLE OPPORTUNITY TO ENCOURAGING THE PATRONAGE OF OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES. PROVIDING STRUCTURED PARKING LIMITS THE IMPACTS TO IT IS LESS DRAIN ON LOCAL SERVICES. UTILIZING SUSTAINABLE CONSTRUCTION, PROVIDING HOUSING IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO COMMERCIAL EMPLOYMENT CENTERS, AND PROMOTES THE ESTABLISHED GOALS WALKABLE COMMUNITY. LOOKING AGAIN AT THE WORKFORCE HOUSING. WE'RE PROPOSING TO FULLY MEET THE TOWN REQUIREMENTS FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING, PROVIDING UNITS IN ALL THREE CATEGORIES. WE'RE PROVIDING TO SELF-IMPOSED AGAIN, ADDITIONAL WORKFORCE HOUSING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PROPERTY. THIS PROJECT DOES NOT REPRESENT DENSITY BONUS OR DENSITY INCREASE BECAUSE WE'RE [01:55:03] CONVERTING EXISTING ENTITLEMENTS TO A DIFFERENT USE AND REDUCING THE IMPACT ON THE AREA. WE HAVE GOTTEN APPROVAL FROM THE HOUSING LEADERSHIP COUNCIL IN SUPPORT FOR MANY LOCAL BUSINESSES AND ORGANIZATIONS FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING AND PROVIDING MORE HOUSING IN A CRITICAL TIME PERIOD IN A GREAT LOCATION. WITH THAT, WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. NOW, I HEAR FROM GARRETT WATSON FROM THE TOWN. >> JUST GOING TO FLIP BACK REAL QUICK TO A SLIDE BEFORE I BEGIN HERE. >> GREAT. HI. GOOD EVENING COMMISSION FOR THE RECORD, GARRETT WATSON WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT. YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, A ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT THAT MODIFIES THE TOWN CENTER SUBDISTRICT, WHICH IS AN APPROXIMATELY 70 ACRE SITE IN THE MIDDLE OF ABBA COLA. IT'S WHAT'S SHOWN ON YOUR SCREEN HERE HIGHLIGHTED. A PORTION OF THESE MODIFICATIONS DEAL WITH A SMALLER PORTION OF THAT SUBDISTRICT. IT'S A 21 ACRE PORTION THAT WE CALL THE COMMERCIAL CORE. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WHILE THE STAFF REPORT AND THE APPLICANT GOT INTO SOME DETAILS ABOUT A FEATURE SITE PLAN AND SUBDISTRICT AMENDMENT, WHAT'S ACTUALLY BEFORE YOU TONIGHT FOR CONSIDERATION AND FOR DISCUSSION IS A MUCH HIGHER LEVEL THAN THAT. IT'S A POLICY DECISION TO INCREASE DENSITY, TO REDUCE THE COMMERCIAL CORE, AND TO ESTABLISH A SPECIAL WORKFORCE HOUSING PROVISION. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNMARRY THOSE TWO THINGS FOR NOW BECAUSE WE'RE DISCUSSING THAT FIRST ASPECT OF IT. TO START, AS NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT ON PAGE 1, STAFF IS NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS BECAUSE THEY ARE SIGNIFICANT DEPARTURE FROM THE PRIOR POLICY DECISION OF COUNSEL. AS THIS PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REVIEWING THIS TEXTS AMENDMENT, YOU'LL BE GIVING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN COUNCIL ON THAT POLICY DECISION THAT'S FURTHER OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT. THERE'S THREE KEY POLICY DECISIONS THAT THE COUNCIL WILL HAVE TO MAKE WITH THIS ONLY TEXT AMENDMENT, AND I'LL COVER EACH ONE OF THEM HERE. THOSE THREE ARE FIRST THE REDUCTION AND SHIFT OF THE COMMERCIAL CORE, SECOND THE INCREASE IN DENSITY FROM 16-20 UNITS PER ACRE WITHIN THE SUB-DISTRICT. THIRD, THE INTRODUCTION OF A SPECIAL WORKFORCE HOUSING PROVISION OF RESULTS IN ABOUT 10 PERCENT WORKFORCE HOUSING FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. >> CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? >> SURE. REDUCTION OF THE COMMERCIAL CORE, THE INCREASE IN DENSITY, AND THE INTRODUCTION OF SPECIAL PROVISIONS FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING. I'LL COVER EACH MORE AND IN DETAIL HERE. THAT FIRST POLICY DECISION IS RELATED TO THE COMMERCIAL CORE. FIRST, IN HISTORY, IT'S NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT THE TOWN CENTER BEGAN AS A MUCH MORE INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, WITH SOME RESIDENTIAL ALLOCATION. OVER THE YEARS, IT'S SHIFTED TOWARDS A MORE RESIDENTIAL URBAN ON THOSE NORTH AND EASTERN ENDS WITH PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL AND IT'S LEFT BEHIND THIS CORE OF COMMERCIAL. 2012, 2013, IN RESPONSE TO THE LAW PROJECT, WHICH IS JUST NORTH OF THOSE VACANT PROPERTIES, THE TOWN COUNCIL DECIDED TO ESTABLISH A WHAT'S CALLED NOW A COMMERCIAL CORE. THEY WANTED TO GO ONE STEP FURTHER AT THAT POINT AND ACTUALLY RESTRICT ALL RESIDENTIAL WITHIN THE TOWN CENTER SUBDISTRICT AS A MEANS OF PROTECTING THOSE LAST FEW PROPERTIES FOR COMMERCIAL [INAUDIBLE]. BUT NOTED THAT THAT WOULD CAUSE SOME INCONSISTENCIES AND SOME NON-CONFORMITIES, AND INSTEAD, THEY DECIDED TO LIMIT IT TO GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL. THAT'S THE PROVISIONS THAT EXIST TODAY THAT THE APPLICANT IS LOOKING TO CHANGE BECAUSE THEIR FUTURE SITE PLAN AMENDMENT PROPOSES THAT RESIDENTIAL ON THE GROUND FLOOR THEY'RE REQUIRED TO CHANGE THAT. THEY'RE GOING ABOUT THAT CHANGE BY DOING A TWO FOLD. FIRST, THEY'RE REDUCING THAT PERCENTAGE OF THE OVERALL SUBDISTRICT FROM 30 TO 25 PERCENT, AND THERE'S ALSO A SHIFT IN WHERE THAT SUBDISTRICT BOUNDARY IS. NOW SUBDISTRICT BOUNDARY IS SHOWN ON A SUB-DISTRICT MASTER PLAN. IT WILL BE AMENDED AT A LATER DATE ASSUMING THIS TEXT AMENDMENT GETS APPROVED [NOISE]. AS FURTHER NOTED IN THE REPORT, THE APPLICANTS MARKET ANALYSIS PRIMARILY FOCUSES ON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY AS A MEANS OF ESTABLISHING THE DESIRE TO AMEND THE COMMERCIAL CORE. WE'VE NOTED IN THE REPORT THAT THERE ARE OTHER NON-RESIDENTIAL USES THAT COULD MEET THE COMMERCIAL CORE OF OFFICE USES, RECREATION USES, CHURCHES, THERE ARE OTHERS, BUT THEY CAN MEET THE INTENT OF THE COMMERCIAL CORE WITHOUT BEING JUST A RETAIL USERS. SHOULD THE TOWN COUNCIL DECIDE THAT THIS COMMERCIAL CORE SHOULD BE AMENDED, SHOULD BE SHIFTED, THE RESIDENTIAL IS OKAY HERE ON THE GROUND FLOOR, THAT SECOND POLICY DECISION THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE AS AT WHAT DENSITY DOES THIS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT NEEDS TO DEVELOP AT? [02:00:01] THEY'RE PROPOSING AN INCREASE FROM 16 UNITS PER ACRE CURRENTLY TO 20 UNITS PER ACRE. THAT 20 OR 15, 16 YEARS PER ACRE AT THIS POINT IS MANIFESTED AT 997 BUILT UNITS TODAY WITH UP TO AN ADDITIONAL 128 UNITS ON TOP OF THAT, FOR 16 UNITS PER ACRE. THERE'S ONLY CURRENTLY 104 UNITS THAT ARE ALLOCATED OUT OF THAT 128 THAT ARE UNBUILT WITHIN THE SUB-DISTRICT, SO ONLY LESS THAN 1,000 EXISTS TODAY. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO INCREASE THIS DENSITY AND THEIR FUTURE SITE PLAN WITH 357 UNITS WOULD RESULT IN A DENSITY IN THE SUB-DISTRICT OF 19.2 UNITS PER ACRE. WE COME INTO THE 20 UNITS BREAKER CAP THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. WITH THIS PROJECT LEAVES APPROXIMATELY 56 UNITS LEFTOVER THAT CAN BE BUILT ON ANOTHER SITE IF LAND BECAME AVAILABLE ELSEWHERE. SHOULD THE TOWN COUNCIL AGREE, ONE, AGAIN, THAT THE POLICY DECISION RELATED TO THE COMMERCIAL CORE SHOULD BE AMENDED, AND TWO, THAT THE DENSITY SHOULD BE INCREASED WITHIN THE SUB-DISTRICT. THE THIRD AND FINAL POLICY DECISION TO BE MADE AS A MODIFICATION TO THE WORKFORCE HOUSING PROVISIONS. THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED A SPECIAL PROVISION. WE'VE INCLUDED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT A COPY OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE TOWN CODE THAT OUTLINES THE PROVISIONS AND HOW PEOPLE GET BONUS DENSITY. NOW WITH THE WORKFORCE HOUSING PROGRAM, SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE EXISTING PROGRAM WORKS AND HOW THEIR REQUEST SLIGHTLY DIFFERS FROM THAT. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'VE PROVIDED ON PAGE 7 OF THE REPORT A BREAKDOWN OF THE PER UNIT COST WITH OUR CURRENT INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE ON WHAT WORKFORCE HOUSING RENTAL RATES ARE. AS WELL AS THE TABLE COMPARING THIS FUTURE PROJECT TO EXISTING PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE IN THE TOWN THAT I'VE USED WORKFORCE HOUSING. WHILE THE APPLICANT HAS IDENTIFIED SEVERAL ISSUES AND DIFFERENCES BETWEEN ALL OF THOSE PROJECTS AND WHAT THEY'VE PROPOSED TODAY. IF YOU LOOK AT JUST A BASE NUMBER OF UNITS, BARCELONA IS A VERY SIMILAR COMPARISON. ON THE WHOLE, BARCELONA PROVIDED MORE LOW-END UNITS. BUT THEY DID BENEFIT FROM GETTING A MIDDLE INCOME CATEGORY THAT ISN'T AVAILABLE TO THIS APPLICANT. YOU CAN SEE THOSE DIFFERENCES IN THE TABLE AT THE BOTTOM OF PAGE 7 AND IT'S FURTHER SUMMARIZED ON THE BOTTOM OF PAGE 8, THE STAFF REPORT. AT THE VERY END OF PAGE 8 AND GOING INTO PAGE 9 OF THE STAFF REPORT, WE'VE PROPOSED SOME ADDITIONAL BENEFITS THAT THE TOWN COUNCIL COULD INVENTIGATE, IF THEY FOUND THAT WHAT WAS BEING PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT WAS NOT ADEQUATE. TO COVER THOSE BRIEFLY, FIRST WOULD BE THEY COULD INCREASE THE PERCENTAGE OF WORKFORCE HOUSING. IT'S ABOUT 10 PERCENT RIGHT NOW. TWO DIFFERENT, SIX PERCENT BASED OFF OF SOME DIFFERENT CALCULATIONS. BUT THAT NUMBER COULD BE INCREASED. SECOND, THERE COULD BE AN EQUAL DISTRIBUTION OF UNITS. YOU'LL NOTE NOW THAT THE BIG CHUNK OF UNITS IS BEING PROVIDED IN THE HIGHEST INCOME CATEGORY THAT'S AVAILABLE, THAT'S THAT MODERATE HIGH INCOME CATEGORY. COUNCIL CAN INVESTIGATE DURING AN EQUAL DISTRIBUTION OF THOSE UNITS INSTEAD. THIRD, THEY COULD DO A SHORT-TERM RESTRICTION THAT HAPPENED IN THE CASE OF THE APARTMENTS THAT ARE JUST CONSTRUCTED ON DAKOTA, THERE'S A FIVE-YEAR RESTRICTION ON THE INCOME CATEGORIES THERE. THEN AFTER THAT FIVE YEARS THEY REVERT BACK TO STANDARD CODE, SO THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION COUNCIL COULD CONSIDER, OR SOME COMBINATION OF ALL OF THOSE COULD HAPPEN. LASTLY, WE HAVE MADE A POTENTIAL RECOMMENDATION THAT THE COUNSEL COULD HIRE A CONSULTANT OR WORKFORCE HOUSING CONSULTANT TO REVIEW THE PROPOSAL AND MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER IS BEING PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT IS CALIBRATED TO THE CURRENT MARKET. WE UNDERSTAND THE CONDITIONS HAVE CHANGED A LOT SINCE A LOT OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS HAVE HAPPENED. A LOT OF THESE WORKFORCE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS HAVE BEEN BUILT. WE COULD HIRE A CONSULTANT THAT COULD REVIEW THE REQUEST AND GIVE US SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON IF IT'S CALIBRATED TO THAT MARKET. IN CONCLUSION, AS NOTED PREVIOUSLY, STAFF FINDS A PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENT IS A SIGNIFICANT DEPARTURE FROM THE PRIVATE POLICY DECISIONS MADE BY COUNCIL. HOWEVER, IT IS WITHIN THEIR AUTHORITY TO CHANGE THOSE DECISIONS. SHOULD THEY FIND IT'S IN THE INTERESTS OF THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE. WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. KERN, DO YOU WANT TO START US OFF ON THIS ONE? IF YOU'D RATHER NOT, I'LL GO TO SOMEONE ELSE. YEAH. I DON'T QUITE KNOW THE HISTORY BEHIND A LOT OF THIS. I'D RATHER DO FOLLOW UP IF I CAN. OKAY. THANKS. COMMISSIONER [INAUDIBLE]. [INAUDIBLE] IT IS [INAUDIBLE] A LOT OF INFORMATION THERE, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT. [02:05:02] IT IS PRESENTLY ZONE FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING. IS THAT CORRECT? JUST NOT AT THIS MAGNITUDE. WE DON'T HAVE A ZONING FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING. WE HAVE A ZONING DISTRICT ON THE PROPERTY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A ZONING DISTRICT AMENDMENTS. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A SPECIFIC PROPERTY, ALTHOUGH THEY HAVE MADE AN APPLICATION FOR THIS SPECIFIC PROPERTY. THIS IS A ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT FOR THE TOWN CENTER SUB-DISTRICT OF THE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT ZONING DISTRICT. AS WE TALKED ABOUT ON THE PHONE, AND VIA EMAIL, I'M SURE THAT THE PUBLIC WOULD LOVE TO KNOW ABOUT THIS AND THE PLANS, AND IT'S THE SHAME THAT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING OUT THERE FOR THEM TO KNOW ABOUT OTHER THAN SOMETHING ON THE INTERNET. THERE ARE NO SIGNS OR ANY PUBLIC NOTICE SIGNS AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR. THAT WOULD PICK MY ATTENTION AND I HAD CORRESPONDENCE WITH COUNSEL LADY HEALTH AT LEAST HELPS [INAUDIBLE] SHE LIVES OUT THERE. SHE WASN'T AWARE OF THAT, BUT THAT IT IS. IF WE DO DO THIS, OR THE TOWN DID. THERE'S ALWAYS A PROBLEM WITH A PRECEDENT THAT WE SET, CORRECT? THAT'S ALWAYS THE PROBLEM AND WE'VE ALREADY GOTTEN ESTABLISHED STANDARDS ALREADY SET THAT WE FELT LIKE OUR PRETTY WELL AND NOW WE WANT TO HAVE MORE LEEWAY WITH THOSE. THIS IS WHAT I'M HEARING. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. ANOTHER FURTHER QUESTIONS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. COMMISSIONER HILL? THIS IS A STATEMENT, BASICALLY WE HAD A PREVIOUS. [OVERLAPPING] DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? I'M SORRY. WHAT IS THE MARKET RATE OF THE UNITS? THE REGULAR UNITS, NOT THE WORKFORCE HOUSING. THE STANDARD MARKET RATE WILL BE SOMEWHERE PROBABLY CLOSE TO THREE DOLLARS A SQUARE FOOT IS WHAT THE MARKET RATE IS TODAY. WE'RE RENTAL RATE. BASED ON IF IT WAS 1,000 SQ FT TO BE 3,000. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND TO THE CALCULATION THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS LIKE THE REZONING CORRECT? OF OUR TEXT AMENDMENT? YOU ASKED ME ABOUT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING? NO, I'M JUST ASKING ABOUT WITH THE ADDITIONAL ACREAGE. WITH THE FOUR UNITS. BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS, I THINK SOME OF YOU WHO'VE BEEN AROUND HERE 20 YEARS AND PROBABLY HAVE SEEN THE ABACOA TOWN CENTER. WE BASICALLY, YOU'RE SAYING THAT, IN THE PAST THERE WERE SOME STRUCTURAL CHANGES THAT OCCURRED THERE BEHIND US. WE HAVE TO LOOK FORWARD. WE BELIEVE THAT THE MARKET SHOULD INFORM HOW THAT HAPPENS. EVERY TOWN CENTER THAT'S BEEN BUILT TO DATE HAS STRUGGLED IF YOU LOOK AT CITI PLACE, YOU LOOK AT BOCA RATON TOWN CENTER. THEY'VE STRUGGLED AND THEY'VE SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGES. CITI PLACES SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGES ONLY TWO OF THE ORIGINAL TENANTS THAT ARE STILL THERE TODAY. WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS THEY'VE RESPONDED BY RESPONDING TO THE MARKET. WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS ADDING ADDITIONAL RETAIL OR OFFICE SPACE IN THAT MARKET WE KNOW IT WON'T WORK. THERE HAVE BEEN SIGNS ON THE PROPERTY FOR 30 YEARS AND THERE'S ZERO ACTIVITY AND RENTS ACROSS THE STREET AT ALTON TOWN CENTER AS DOCUMENTED BY THE INFORMATION WHEN WE PUT IT IN YOUR FILE OR 3-4 TIMES WITH A WAITING LIST. YET WE HAVE VACANCIES IN ABACOA. WERE NOT AWARE OF OTHER USES THAT COULD OCCUR THAT ARE VIABLE. BECAUSE IF THERE WERE VIABLE, WE HAVE MORE CORPORATE CEOS FROM AROUND THE UNITED STATES AND AROUND THE WORLD HERE IN JUPITER BETWEEN ADMIRALS AND THE PARENTS CLUB AND OTHER AREAS. THEY FREQUENT. IF THAT WAS A LOCATION WHERE SOMEBODY WANTED TO RELOCATE THEIR CORPORATE OFFICES, IT WOULD OCCUR. IT HASN'T OCCURRED, IT'S NOT GOING TO OCCUR BECAUSE IT'S BASICALLY AS A STRUCTURAL WALL AND THAT'S NOBODY'S FAULT. BUT LOOKING FORWARD RESIDENTIAL WILL WORK AND WE BELIEVE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO INVIGORATE REALLY A DYING TOWN CENTER WITH RENTS THAT ARE SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER AND THAT SHOPPING CENTER HAS TRADED MULTIPLE TIMES AT SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN THE COST TO EVEN REPLACE IT TODAY. ALL WE'RE SAYING IS THAT WE BELIEVE THAT THIS USE MEETS COUPLE OF THINGS. CRITICAL HOUSING NEED. WE HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS. YOU MIGHT HEAR FROM SOME OF THE PEOPLE AND THE AUDIENCE WE HAVE CRITICAL HOUSING CRISIS. THIS PROVIDES THAT IN VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY, [02:10:02] IN WALKING DISTANCE TO MANY JOBS, A LOT OF THE JOBS ARE THERE. IF WE DON'T HAVE THE HOUSING, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE JOBS THAT NEED TO BE HERE. SOME OF THESE JOBS ARE COVETED, HIGH-PAYING JOBS THAT WE AS A COMMUNITY AND ME AND MYSELF PERSONALLY HAVE WAITED FOR YEARS TO SEE THE HIGH PAYING JOBS WITH WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AT SCRIPTS AND WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH JUPITER MEDICAL CENTER, THE NEW REHAB THAT JUST OPENED UP. WE THINK THAT THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR THAT. WE'RE ALSO PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE ARE MEETING THE TOWN'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING ORDINANCE, WHICH WE VOLUNTARILY COMMITTED TO WHEN WE RESCINDED THE DRI. BECAUSE WE'RE SAYING THAT THIS IS AN INCREASE IN DENSITY, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY A REDUCTION IN INTENSITY. YES, THERE'S MORE HOUSES, SIGNIFICANTLY LESS TRAFFIC. BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS, A LOT OF EXPENDITURES. FOR EXAMPLE. YEAH. WRAP IT UP. >> YES. >> YES. SO THE PROGRAM THAT WE'RE OFFERING, WE BELIEVE, IS OF GREAT BENEFIT TO THE TOWN. WE CERTAINLY CAN TAKE YOUR INPUT AND WE CAN MODIFY IT, BUT WE DO NEED TO LISTEN TO THE MARKET. WE KNOW IT'S A DEPARTURE. WE KNOW THAT THIS IS A DEPARTURE FROM WHAT WAS THERE. BUT MAINTAINING THE SAME POLICY AND NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT SOMETHING NEEDS TO CHANGE ABOUT THAT POLICY IS GOING TO LEAVE THE EXISTING CONDITION IN PLACE FOR MANY YEARS AND IS NOT GOING TO BENEFIT WHAT WE THINK THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY WITH WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> NO. >> YEAH, I HAVE A COUPLE. YOU MADE A COMMENT HIGHER DENSITY BUT LESS TRAFFIC. HOW DOES THAT WORK? >> BECAUSE THERE'LL BE MORE RESIDENTIAL UNITS, BUT WE'RE LEAVING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF UNUSED ENTITLEMENT ON THE TABLE. SO WHEN ORIGINALLY THE DRI WAS BUILT OUT, THERE WERE SIGNIFICANT ROADS, SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE ALL DONE BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THE ENTITLEMENTS THAT WERE ASSIGNED. AND SO WITH THIS, AS MR. MISTURM POINTED OUT, ABOUT 200,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE WILL NOT OCCUR, THAT'S WITH THE TRAFFIC ASSOCIATED WITH THE RESIDENTIAL. IT'S A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION LOOKING AT THE RESIDENTIAL THAT'S THERE TODAY, THE RESIDENTIAL THAT'S BEING ADDED AND THE NON-RESIDENTIAL THAT'S TAKEN AWAY, IT'S ABOUT 100 PM PEAK HOUR TRIPS LESS. >> OKAY. REGARDING YOU ARE REDUCING THE COMMERCIAL CORE FROM 30 TO 25 PERCENT. WHAT IS THE CURRENT OCCUPANCY OF YOUR CURRENT COMMERCIAL CORE? IS IT FULLY OCCUPIED? >> THERE'S SEVERAL VACANCIES THAT EXIST WITHIN THE TOWN CENTER TODAY. THE PARCELS IN QUESTION IN THE CORE ARE TOTALLY VACANT. ONE WAS A MOVIE THEATER THAT WAS TORN DOWN BECAUSE IT COULDN'T MAKE IT. AND SO THERE'S ACTUALLY FOUR VACANT PARCELS. BUT WITHIN THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL SPACE, WHICH I THINK IS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, THERE ARE VACANCIES AND THE RENTS ARE RELATIVELY LOW. >> OKAY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> NO MORE QUESTIONS FROM ME. >> COMMISSIONER GARRETT YOU'RE UP. >> A QUESTION FOR STAFF. JOHN AND I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS TODAY, BUT YOU ALL TALK ABOUT ALTERNATIVE USES TO RETAIL THE RESTAURANTS ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF THIS AREA. WHAT ARE SOME THINGS YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT AND HOW DID THE APPLICANT RESPOND? WELL, I'LL LEAVE IT THERE. >> WELL, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE POINTED OUT IS THAT THE MARKETING STUDY THAT WAS PROVIDED FOCUSED ON THE LACK OF VIABILITY FOR RETAIL USE. AND THEN THE REQUIREMENT OF THE COMMERCIAL CORE IS ASSOCIATED WITH NON-RESIDENTIAL USES BEING REQUIRED ON THE FIRST FLOOR. THAT'S A SUBSIDY, ESSENTIALLY MORE BROAD CATEGORY OF OPTIONS THAN WHAT WAS SUBMITTED FROM THE APPLICANT. THERE ARE USES THAT CONTINUE TO BE OF INTERESTS WHEN RETAIL HAS CONTRACTED. WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF INDOOR RECREATION MOVE INTO RETAIL PLAZAS. THAT INCLUDES THE GYMS, PERSONAL SERVICES, OTHER TYPE USES. WE'VE SEEN AND WE'VE ALSO TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS LOCATION BEING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR RECREATION USES, EVEN PICKLEBALL ASSEMBLY THAT'S WILDLY POPULAR, THE APPLICANT MAKES REFERENCE TO TWO BEING PART OF THEIR PROPOSAL, WHICH ISN'T REALLY PART OF WHAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT. BUT TYPICAL BULB COURTS IS LIKE A FLASH IN THE PAN. THERE'S REALLY NOT ANYTHING OF SIGNIFICANCE AND HOW POPULAR THAT USE IS THESE DAYS. [02:15:03] THERE COULD BE COMMERCIAL RECREATION USES, A RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION TALK ABOUT A USE THAT WOULD COMPLEMENT THE VAST AMOUNTS OF OVERPARKING THAT EXISTS IN THIS LOCATION. COULD FIT VERY NICELY OFF PEAK WITH THE SPRING TRAINING. THOSE OF YOU WHO MAY NOT BE AWARE OF THAT HISTORY, THERE'S 2020 EXTRA PARKING SPACES THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR THE BASEBALL STADIUM THAT ESSENTIALLY AREN'T USED. NOW, GRANTED 500 OF THOSE ARE OFF-SITE IN THE FAU PROPERTY. THERE'S STILL OVER 1,500 ABOVE PROGRAM WITHIN THE TOWN CENTER. THAT'S A HUGE ASSET FOR OTHER USES THAT DON'T CONFLICT WITH SPRING TRAINING. OFFICE IS CERTAINLY ANOTHER USE. THE APPLICANT, I THINK IN THE MARKETING STUDY, THEY MAKE REFERENCE THAT OFFICES ARE STRONG USE IN PALM BEACH COUNTY. YOU'VE HEARD SOME OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE APPLICANT RELATED TO THE VIABILITY AT THIS LOCATION, BUT THAT IS A QUALIFYING USE THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN RETAIL. AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF OTHER USES, BUT THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE KEY ONES THAT WE OFTEN SEE GOING INTO THESE ADAPTATION OF HISTORICALLY COMMERCIAL CENTERS OR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THAT IN THE PAST HAVE BEEN MORE FOCUSED ON RETAIL USE. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> THAT'S IT. ALL RIGHT. GARRETT, ON PAGE FOUR OF THE REPORT, NO PAGE SEVEN, SORRY. YOU'RE LISTING OUT THE WORKFORCE HOUSING. AM I READING THIS RIGHT? THIS IS JUST LIKE A SUMMARY. THIS ISN'T WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING FOR RENTS. >> CORRECT, YEAH. THESE ARE THE CURRENT RATES. THEY'RE ADJUSTED EVERY YEAR FOR THE ANNUAL MEDIAN INCOME. IF THIS PROJECT EVER COMES ONLINE, THEY'LL BE ADJUSTED TO THAT YEAR'S RATES. >> AND THEN YOU WERE SAYING, IT'S ONLY WORKING OUT TO BE ABOUT 10 PERCENT OF THE TOTAL UNITS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED, SO 35 UNITS. HERE IT IS. SORRY. IS THIS A COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS OR IS THIS WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO ON PAGE 26 OF THAT REPORT? >> OF THE PROJECT NARRATIVE? >> YEAH. THIS LITTLE THING. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A FEEL FOR HOW MANY UNITS OF THE 35 THAT'S BEING PROPOSED, HOW MANY ARE AT WHAT LEVEL? >> THERE'S SEVEN AT 60 TO 80, SEVEN AT 80 TO 100, AND THEN SEVEN AT 100 TO 120, AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL 14 WHICH IS ABOVE THE 6 PERCENT AT THE 100 TO 120. >> FOURTEEN AT THE MODERATE-HIGH. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? >> IT WOULD ULTIMATELY BE A TOTAL OF 21 AT THE MODERATE-HIGH, SEVEN AT THE LOW END, AND SEVEN AT THE 60 TO 180 OR 60 TO 80. >> AND IN THE BREAKDOWN OF THE APARTMENT IN THE PROPOSED PLAN, I KNOW WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE PLAN RIGHT NOW, BUT HOW MANY ARE ONE-BEDROOM, TWO-BEDROOM, AND THREE-BEDROOM? >> IT WOULD BE DISPERSED WITH ALSO BEING. >> NO, I MEANT THE HOLES. >> THE TOTAL NUMBER?, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE BREAKDOWN IS? IT'S ABOUT A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN ABOUT 50 PERCENT 1S WITH A BREAK. GIVE US JUST A SECOND AND WE'LL GET THAT TO YOU. FORTY-FIVE PERCENT ONE'S, 42 PERCENT TWO'S, 6 PERCENT THREE'S, AND THEN WE HAVE A SMALL NUMBER, 4 PERCENT STUDIO, AND 13 LIVE WORK. THERE'S A PRETTY GOOD CROSS-SECTION. AND AS FAR AS THE AFFORDABLE, THEY WOULD BE MIXED THROUGHOUT. >> OKAY. GARRETT, WOULD YOU TALK AGAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE DENSITY PART OF IT? [02:20:11] WHAT THE ISSUE IS THERE WITH WHAT'S BEING ASKED ABOUT THE INCREASE IN DENSITY, POLICY DECISION NUMBER 2? CORRECT. YES. THE POLICY DECISION NUMBER 2 TO BE MADE IS AN INCREASE IN DENSITY FROM 16-20 UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH ALLOWS THEM TO REQUEST THE ADDITIONAL 357 UNITS THEY'RE LOOKING FOR PLUS A BUFFER OF ABOUT 56 UNITS LEFTOVER TO GET TO THE 20 UNITS PER ACRE. I THINK THE TOTAL NUMBER WITH A DENSITY OF 20 UNITS PER ACRE OF UNITS THAT COULD BE ULTIMATELY BUILT IN TOWN CENTER IS 1,407. I'M SORRY, ONE MORE TIME. IT'S 1,407 UNITS WOULD BE EXACTLY 20 UNITS PER ACRE WITHIN THAT SUB-DISTRICT. THEY'LL BE JUST SHY OF THAT WITH THEIR PROPOSED PROJECT, ABOUT 56 UNITS SHY SO THIS IS AN INCREASE IN DENSITY UP TO 20 UNITS PER ACRE. I'M SORRY. ARE WE TALKING ABOUT EACH BUILDING IS 357 FOR A TOTAL? THE TOTAL PROJECT AT THIS POINT WOULD BE 357 ACROSS THE THREE PROPERTIES. THEN YOU WOULD WANT TO HAVE A DIRECTION ON THE THREE OPTIONS THAT YOU OUTLINED? CORRECT. THERE'S THREE POLICY DECISIONS TO WEIGH IN ON AND A RECOMMENDATION ON ALL THREE OR AS A WHOLE, HOWEVER, YOU SEE FIT AS A COMMISSION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. THOSE ARE? THOSE ARE SPECIFICALLY ASSOCIATED WITH THE REQUEST TO MODIFY THOSE THREE SECTIONS OF CODE WHICH ARE BASICALLY THEY ARE SUMMARIZED ON THE PROJECT INFORMATION ON PAGE 1. THEY'RE REQUESTING THREE DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF THE CODE BE AMENDED. SON 16-20 PER ACRE AND REDUCE THE COMMERCIAL CORE TO 25 PERCENT. WORKFORCE HOUSING REQUIRED SIX WITHIN THE TOWN SO IT'S GREATER THAN 16 PER ACRE. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS, I'M SORRY. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS? YES. I'M SORRY. YES, WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC COMMENTS. ELLIOT JOHNSON AND NOEL MARTINEZ. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES EACH. THANK YOU. IT'S GOING TO BE HARD, I TEND TO BE LONG-WINDED AND CHASE IDEAS AROUND LIKE SQUIRRELS. MY NAME IS ELLIOT JOHNSON. I'M A SMALL BUILDER DEVELOPER ON MANORHOUSE CONSTRUCTION, ELYSIUM LAND DEVELOPMENT. [NOISE] ADDITIONALLY, I SERVE ON THE BOARD FOR THE HOUSING LEADERSHIP COUNCIL AND THE COMMISSION FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR PALM BEACH COUNTY, AND A VICE CHAIR OF THE ACT FOR WELLINGTON. THE HOUSING LEADERSHIP COUNCIL HAS SEEN THE PRESENTATION. WE REVIEWED THIS PRESENTATION, WE STRONGLY ENDORSE THE DEVELOPMENT AND I THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE APPROVED. TAKING THAT HAT OFF AND JUST PUTTING MY BUILDER HAT ON FOR A SECOND, I'M CONSTANTLY AMAZED AT HOW LOST IN THE WEEDS WE GET IN SOME OF THESE ISSUES WHEN WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THE MUCH LARGER PICTURE OF THE HOUSING CRISIS WE HAVE IN PALM BEACH COUNTY. WE ARE 20,000 RESIDENTIAL UNITS SHORT OF MEETING DEMAND, WE NEED THE MARKET TO WORK. WE SHOULD BE BUILDING ABOUT 6,000 HOUSING UNITS PER YEAR, WE'RE ONLY BUILDING FOUR. AS LONG AS THAT LOP-SIDED ECONOMIC CALCULATION STAYS IN PLACE, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE A PROBLEM. I BELIEVE THAT THE DEVELOPERS HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB AT TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE MARKET NEEDS. THE ONE THING THAT I'LL SAY AND LISTENING TO THE PRESENTATIONS THAT I'VE HEARD TODAY IS THAT I THINK THAT ONE ASPECT OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT IS BEING MINIMIZED. FOUR REALTORS SENT ME AN EMAIL THIS MORNING INDICATING THAT ACCORDING TO A SURVEY FROM THE US CENSUS BUREAU, 18 PERCENT OF THE US LABOR FORCE WORKS AT HOME POST-COVID. THAT STATISTIC IS NOT GOING TO GO DOWN SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR COMMERCIAL USES IN THIS SPACE, I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD PROBABLY CONSIDER FOLLOWING THE TREND. I WROTE A LETTER EARLIER THAT I THINK THAT YOU PROBABLY ALL HAVE. I WAS TOLD THAT IT WAS MAYBE A LITTLE HARSH. IF SO, PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT WAS NOT MY INTENT. I REALLY FEEL THAT WE HAVE A DESPERATE SITUATION THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. [02:25:03] PLEASE DO READ THE LETTER THAT I SENT, READ SUZANNE CABRERA'S LETTER. SHE'S CEO OF HOUSING LEADERSHIP COUNCIL. WE ENDORSED THIS PROJECT. I PERSONALLY FEEL PUTTING ON MY DEVELOPER HAT THAT THE NEEDS OF THE NEW ECONOMY ARE BEING MET WITH THE LIVE-WORK UNITS, SO THEY'RE PUTTING IN THERE AND I THINK THAT THAT'S AT LEAST AS VIABLE A SOLUTION AS COMING UP WITH IDEAS LIKE, I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS, COMMUNITY ATTRACTIONS AND OTHER ELEMENTS THAT AREN'T MORE SPECIFICALLY DEFINED. ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. THANK YOU. NOEL MARTINEZ. NOEL MARTINEZ. NOEL. NO. IT'S OKAY. THAT'S RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR. COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE. THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TODAY. NOEL MARTINEZ, PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE PALM BEACH NORTH CHAMBER COMMERCE, AND WE REPRESENT OVER 800 BUSINESSES IN THE PALM BEACH NORTH COMMUNITY, WHICH EMPLOY ALMOST 45,000 PEOPLE RIGHT HERE IN OUR BACKYARD. WE RECENTLY PULLED OUR MEMBERS WHILE PUTTING TOGETHER OUR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA AND THE NUMBER 1 ISSUE OUR BUSINESSES ARE FACING IS HOUSING. OUR POLICE CAN'T FIND A PLACE TO LIVE. OUR WHOLE COUNTY IS EXPERIENCING THIS AND IT'S DRIVING PRICES UP. HOME PRICES AND RENTS CONTINUE TO ESCALATE AT A PACE THAT FAR OUTSTRIPS THE INCREASE IN WORKFORCE INCOME AND IT HINDERS OUR BUSINESSES ABILITY TO RETAIN AND ATTRACT GREAT PEOPLE. HOUSING PRICES IN PALM BEACH COUNTY ARE SQUEEZING OUT MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO KEEP US SAFE AND PROVIDE US WITH THE THINGS THAT MAKE PALM BEACH NORTH SUCH A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE. ONE OF THE BIG REASONS FOR THIS IS HOUSING SUPPLY. ACCORDING TO THE FLORIDA SCORECARD, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OVER 80,000 PEOPLE MOVING INTO PALM BEACH COUNTY BY 2030. THAT'S LESS THAN SEVEN YEARS FROM NOW. I'M SORRY, 200,000 PEOPLE ARE MOVING INTO PALM BEACH COUNTY, WE HAVE TO CREATE 80,000 JOBS. THINK ABOUT THOSE NUMBERS. WE JUST MENTIONED IT EARLIER, JUST RECENTLY. HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT BY THE EXPERTS AT FIU IN 2022 DOCUMENTED THAT OUR HOUSING INVENTORY IN PALM BEACH COUNTY HAS NOT KEPT UP WITH OUR GROWTH, WE'RE 20,000 HOUSING UNITS SHORT. OVER THE PAST DECADE, WE'VE GOTTEN SHORT. WE NEED MORE INVENTORY. WHERE ARE KIDS, OUR STAFF, OUR SERVICE WORKERS, WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO LIVE. THERE ARE STILL RESTAURANTS HERE IN OUR BACKYARD THAT HALF THE RESTAURANT IS EMPTY BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF BECAUSE THEY CAN AFFORD TO LIVE THERE. THEY CAN'T FIND A PLACE TO LIVE, IT'S TOO FAR FOR THEM TO LIVE. THAT [INAUDIBLE] TOWN CENTER APARTMENTS IS GOING TO PROVIDE 35 WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS. I KNOW IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A BIG NUMBER, BUT WE HAVE TO START CHIPPING AWAY AT THAT 20,000 NUMBER SOMEHOW. I'M HERE TO ASK YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER SUPPORTING PROJECTS LIKE THIS, IT'S IMPORTANT. I'VE JUST HEARD IT'S CRITICAL TO SUPPORT THE BUSINESSES OF PALM BEACH NORTH COUNTY, THIS IS A BIG ISSUE THAT WE'RE HAVING. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. [NOISE] CAN I MAKE ONE COMMENT? EXCUSE ME. WOULD IT BE OKAY IF I MADE ONE COMMENT? SURE. HOW MUCH TIME DID YOU HAVE LEFT? I'M JOKING. MADAM CHAIR, THANK YOU SO MUCH. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT CRYSTAL CLEAR BECAUSE THERE SEEMS TO BE THIS PERCEPTION THAT WE'RE INCREASING DENSITY. ABBA COLA WAS GRANTED A BUCKET OF ENTITLEMENTS FOR ALL THE GREAT THINGS THAT IT DID. ALL THE PRESERVES, THE DEDICATION OF THE VARIOUS SPACES TO SCHOOLS AND TO THE BALL FIELDS AND TO THE SCHOOL SITES. WE'RE SIMPLY UTILIZING THE ENTITLEMENT THAT EXISTS. WE'RE LOOKING TO SET A DENSITY CAP, WHICH WE THINK MAKES GOOD PLANNING SENSE, WHICH ALL THE PROFESSIONAL PLANNERS ARE TELLING US MAKE SENSE. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING IT AT BOCA AND THESE OTHER PLACES THAT ARE TRYING TO MAKE THEIR TOWN CENTERS WORK. BUT WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A DENSITY BONUS AND I KNOW SOMETIMES THAT BECOMES A DIRTY WORD. WE'RE SIMPLY UTILIZING THE ENTITLEMENT WE HAVE AND IN ORDER TO UTILIZE THE ENTITLEMENT, WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE DENSITY LIMIT WITHIN THE TOWN CENTER, WHICH FOR ALL THE REASON I THINK YOU'VE HEARD FROM A COUPLE OF THE BUSINESS LEADERS, WE THINK MAKES GOOD SENSE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. GROOMS. I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION WHILE YOU'RE HERE. I NEGLECTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE 1, 2, AND 3 BEDROOMS. YOU KNOW THE SQUARE FOOTAGE EXACTLY? [INAUDIBLE] WE'LL GIVE IT TO YOU REAL QUICK. I THINK THE ONE BEDROOMS ARE IN THE 900 SQUARE FOOT RANGE. MADAM CHAIR, I KNOW WE CAN GET THAT FIGURE, BUT JUST TO FIND THIS YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE A TECH AMENDMENT. [02:30:04] I UNDERSTAND. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A PROJECT. I KNOW. MADAM CHAIR, THE ONE BEDROOMS ARE 700-800 SQUARE FEET. THE TWO BEDROOMS ARE 1,200, 1,300 SQUARE FEET AND THEN THE THREE BEDROOMS ARE OVER THE 1,400 SQUARE FOOT RANGE. THANK YOU. ON TO DISCUSSIONS. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, IDEAS, THOUGHTS? COMMISSIONER KERN. SURE, I CAN START. THIS IS THE LAST THREE PARCELS IN THIS WHOLE DEVELOPMENT. I THINK IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE THOUGHTFUL AND IT NEEDS TO BE CREATIVE AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE MARKET HAS MATURED AND CHANGED. THE 18 PERCENT WORK FROM HOME. POST-COVID IS I THINK REALLY A KEY METRIC. I KNOW SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO LIVE AND WORK AND HAVE A COVER SO I THINK THAT WORKS FOR THIS AREA. BUT I THINK MY CONCERNS ARE AROUND AND I KNOW THE APPLICANT MAY NOT AGREE, BUT WHETHER IT'S OPTICS OR WHATEVER THE INCREASE OF DENSITY, I THINK WE REALLY HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT SETTING PRECEDENT AND ESPECIALLY WITH THIS NEW SP102 THAT JUST GOT PASSED THAT COULD PIGGYBACK ON A LOT OF INCREASED DENSITY DEVELOPMENTS AND THE REDUCTION OF THE TOWN CENTER SO I JUST THINK IT NEEDS TO BE THOUGHT THROUGH A LITTLE BIT MORE BEFORE I CAN BE SUPPORTIVE WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GEISINGER. >> I'M SORRY. I SHARE SOME OF THE SAME THOUGHTS AS A COMMISSIONER DANNY REGARDING THE DENSITY INCREASING AND ALSO, I'M LOOKING AT THE ADDITIONAL PUBLIC BENEFIT. I THINK THAT'D BE OPEN TO MAYBE HAVING A FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT OR HAVING THE STAFF LOOK AT THAT. I WAS SPECIFICALLY INTERESTED IN OPTION 2 WITH A EQUAL DISTRIBUTION OF INCOME CATEGORIES WHICH WOULD INCREASE THE NUMBER OF HOUSING AT THE LOWER INCOME AS OPPOSED TO HAVING HIGHER NUMBER AT THE MODERATE TO HIGH UNIT. I THINK I'D BE IN FAVOR IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT THE DENSITY AND ALSO CAREFULLY CONSIDER OPTION 2 AS FAR AS EQUAL DISTRIBUTION OF INCOME CATEGORY. >> THANK YOU. >> YOU ARE WELCOME. >> ANYTHING ELSE? >> THAT'S IT. >> COMMISSIONER HELD. >> DENSITY IS PERMANENT AND WORKFORCE HOUSING IS NOT PERMANENT, IN MY UNDERSTANDING. THESE ARE SPECIAL PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE HERE. I THINK THAT WE NEED TO REALLY TAKE A REALLY HARD LOOK AT WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK FOR THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN VERY VOCAL WITH OUR TOWN COUNSELORS. THEY DON'T WANT DENSITY. I JUST THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE VERY, VERY CAREFUL IN CONSIDERATION OF THIS. I JUST THINK THAT IT NEEDS TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK DONE ON IT. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER DANNY. >> I AGREE. GARRETT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS. YOU DID A GOOD JOB. I APPRECIATE IT AND THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING NUMEROUS AMOUNTS OF QUESTIONS THAT I HAD. I GUESS WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT YOU MADE THE STATEMENT THAT TOWN CENTER IS DYING. I DON'T QUITE AGREE WITH THAT, BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT REDUCING THEIR COMMERCIAL CORE ONCE YOU DO THIS AS THE STAFF HAS SAID. THEN YOU SAID YOU'RE GOING TO INCREASE THE DENSITY FROM 16-20. AS A RESULT OF THAT IS GOING TO FLOURISH BECAUSE OF THAT, IS THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING? JUST A STATEMENT. I THINK THAT THE TOWN COUNCIL AND STAFF HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB OF WHAT WE FEEL LIKE ARE COMFORTABLE FOR DENSITY REQUIREMENTS AND WHAT WE WANT FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING AND THAT'S GONE INTO A LOT OF THOUGHT. I'M WORRIED ABOUT A PRECEDENT THAT MIGHT BE SET IF WE TAKE THIS ON AND AGREE TO IT. I THINK A LOT OF WORK AND CONSIDERATION HAS BEEN DONE INTO IT. CERTAINLY, WE AS A TOWN AND AS A PLANNING BOARD, ARE SENSITIVE TO WORKFORCE HOUSE AND WE WANT THAT, BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANT SOMETHING THAT'S TOO DENSE, SO WE'RE SENSITIVE TO THAT. THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WEISMAN. >> THANK YOU. I HEAR WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS TO SAY AND I CAN'T SAY I DISAGREE WITH HIM ON THE WHOLE WITH RESPECT TO THE SHORTAGE OF HOUSING IN THE PRICE OF HOUSING AND THE VIABILITY AND THE EXPLODING AREA ALONG DONALD ROSS AND THEY HAVE A CALLING OR THE BUSINESSES COMING IN. I DON'T PARTICULARLY AGREE WITH THE STAFF SAYING THEY DISAGREE, DIDN'T MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. [02:35:02] THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME MIDDLE GROUND HERE. PERHAPS A COUPLE OF SLIDES HAVE NETS IT OUT A LITTLE MORE CRISPLY AS TO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WANT TO DO AND UNDERSTAND WHY. BUT MAYBE SOME COUPLE OF SLIDES THAT SHOWS THE PANEL WHAT IT IS YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH AND TRIES TO PUT IT IN MORE LAYMAN'S TERMS, IF YOU WILL, WOULD BE HELPFUL. THAT'S MY STATEMENT. >> THANK YOU. I HAVE TO SAY THAT I ECHO THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSION HERE AS WELL. ALTHOUGH I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHT OF ADDING RESIDENTIAL THERE THAT MAKES IT MORE PEOPLE THAT WILL PARTICIPATE IN THE COMMERCIAL AREAS. I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS IS THE WAY TO GO. IT REALLY PAINS ME TO SAY THAT I CAN'T SUPPORT IT BECAUSE IT'S 35 UNITS AND I FEEL LIKE JUST AS THE GENTLEMAN ALSO SAID, TO HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE AND EVERY DROP IS WORTH SOMETHING. BUT I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS, THE TENDENCY OF DEVELOPMENT IN PALM BEACH COUNTY TO TAKE ONE BEDROOMS AND CHARGED A PREMIUM RENTS FOR 700 SQUARE FEET. IT'S REALLY DISTRESSING FROM A PERSON WHO LIVES IN WHAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER AFFORDABLE HOUSING. BUT IF I DIDN'T ALREADY OWN MY HOUSE, I COULDN'T AFFORD TO BUY IT BECAUSE IT'S INCREASED SO MUCH IN VALUE AND IT'S A 1,200 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE. I'M VERY SENSITIVE TO THE WAY THAT PEOPLE OF LOWER INCOMES ARE GENERALLY THOUGHT ABOUT IN A CERTAIN WAY THAT, WE'LL JUST MAKE THE UNITS SMALLER AND WE CAN STILL CHARGE RENT BECAUSE THAT'S THE GOING MARKET REALLY STRESSES ME OUT. WHAT DO I WANT TO SAY? I DON'T I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF IT. IF WE WERE GOING TO TAKE AN OPTION FROM GARRETT'S SUGGESTIONS, IT WOULD BE A COMBINATION OF BETWEEN OPTION 1 AND OPTION 2. I'D LIKE TO SEE AN INCREASE IN THE WORKFORCE HOUSING IF THAT WOULD BE MUCH GREATER BENEFIT TO THE PUBLIC THAN TO PICKLEBALL COURTS. I NEGLECTED TO ASK YOU, JOHN BECAUSE PART OF THE PRESENTATION IS THAT THE PICKLEBALL COURTS WOULD BE ADMINISTERED BY THE TOWN FOR RESERVATIONS. IT'S NOT LIKE A FIRST-COME FIRST-SERVE. YOU SHOW UP AND YOU USE THE PICKLEBALL. I WASN'T REALLY SURE HOW THAT WOULD WORK. >> I'M NOT PREPARED TO SPEAK TO THAT. >> THAT WAS ALSO CONFIRMED THAT IT WASN'T REALLY A PUBLIC BENEFIT FOR ME. THE REAL PUBLIC BENEFIT WOULD BE AN INCREASE IN WORKFORCE HOUSING, AND EQUAL DISTRIBUTION OF THE INCOME CATEGORIES BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE SORELY IN NEED OF WORKFORCE HOUSING AND IT REALLY PAINS ME, BUT I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THIS TEXT AMENDMENT CHANGES. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. DO I KNOW THAT YOU HAD THREE AREAS THAT YOU WANTED US TO MAKE THE MOTION ON, AND COULD WE JUST SAY, WE'RE NOT IN SUPPORT OF THIS AND IT CANCELS ALL THREE OUT, OR DO WE HAVE TO VOTE OR MAKE A STATEMENT ON EACH ONE? >> YOU COULD IF YOU WERE SUPPORTIVE OF SOME AND NOT OF OTHERS, YOU COULD SEPARATE THEM OUT OR YOU COULD JUST SAY YOU'RE NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL AND THAT WOULD COVER ALL THREE OF THEM. >> CAN THIS BE CONTINUED TO ANOTHER MEETING? COULDN'T COME BACK WITH SOMETHING LIKE I STATED BEFORE, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE? >> THAT'S UP TO THE BOARD WHETHER THEY WANT TO CONTINUE IT OUT, IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO SAY FOR WHAT REASONS AND WHAT YOUR EXPECTATIONS ARE FOR THAT TIMEFRAME OR WHAT'S TO BE DONE WITHIN THAT TIMEFRAME. [OVERLAPPING] >> BECAUSE IT'S REALLY A POLICY DECISION FOR THE COUNCIL. CORRECT? >> ULTIMATELY, YES. >> RIGHT. I THINK IT WOULD BE THEIR PURVIEW TO WHETHER THEY WANT MORE WORK DONE ON IT OR NOT BASED ON MY UNDERSTANDING OF IT, BECAUSE IT REALLY IS A COUNCIL DECISION IF THEY WANT TO CHANGE THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENTS FOR ABACOA AND CHANGE THE MAKEUP OF IT. ABACOA HAS ALWAYS BEEN A REALLY PARTICULAR, [02:40:03] I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY IT. BECAUSE I THINK THAT AND DON HERRING YOU AND I SPOKE ABOUT THIS WHEN I MET WITH YOU IS THAT WHEN THEY CONCEIVE OF THESE WOULD LIVE WORK, PLAY COMMUNITIES WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE WALKABILITY AND STUFF. THERE'S ALWAYS AN ELEMENT THAT'S MISSING AND IT'S USUALLY THE WORK ELEMENT. PEOPLE WHO CAN AFFORD TO LIVE THERE CAN'T AFFORD TO WORK THERE BECAUSE MOST OF THE JOBS ARE RETAIL AND RESTAURANT AND DON'T PROVIDE AN INCOME THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO LIVE IN THOSE DISTRICTS. THEY WORK OUTSIDE. THE PEOPLE WHO COME TO WORK THERE CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE THERE, SO THEY HAVE TO LIVE OUTSIDE. THE CONCEPT OF THESE THINGS IS ALWAYS PUZZLED ME AND HOW THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO WORK IN A SITUATION LIKE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN FLORIDA IN PALM BEACH COUNTY. I WOULD SAY IS IT THE PLEASURE IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO TAKE A STAB AT CRAFTING A MOTION? >> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION IF I COULD. >> WOULD IT BE INAPPROPRIATE FOR ME TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORICAL CONTEXT? >> IT WOULD BE AT THIS POINT. >> IT WOULD BE? >> YEAH. >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION BASED ON STAFF'S WRITE-UP THAT WE DISAPPROVE THIS MOTION IN ITS ENTIRETY. >> DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT? >> SECOND. >> SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> ALL OPPOSED. >> OPPOSE. >> YOU OPPOSE. THE MOTION PASSES 5-1. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR. >> WE DENIED IT. YOU'RE STAKING IN ANYWAY. >> THERE WERE SOME GREAT DIALOGUE AND WE APPRECIATE A LOT OF THE GREAT COMMENTS. THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL FOR US. WE REALLY DID APPRECIATE YOU PROVIDING THAT DIALOGUE AND INSIGHT THAT SO THAT WE CAN WORK ON THINGS AS WE MOVE TO THE TOWN COUNCIL. YOU ALL HAVE A TOUGH JOB AND IT'S JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME AND ALLOWING US TO MAKE THE PRESENTATION AND FOR YOU TO CONSIDER. >> I'LL JUST SAY SOMETHING ON A DIFFERENT NOTE THAT IF YOU AND I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE PREVIOUS ISSUE. >> OF COURSE. >> I DID MORE THAN HAPPY TO SIT DOWN AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT, MADAM CHAIR. >> THANK YOU. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING FOR US? MR. BAIRD YOU'VE MOVED OUT OF YOUR SEAT, ARE YOU STILL LEGAL? >> [INAUDIBLE] >> JOHN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR US? >> NO. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. >> WE'LL CALL THE MEETING ADJOURNED, WHAT TIME IS IT? 09:43. [INAUDIBLE] SLEEP AS MINE. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.