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>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. THE TIME IS NOW 7.00
[Call to Order]
PM AND I'LL CALL THE ORDER OF THE TOWN COUNCIL MEETING OF TUESDAY, MARCH 21ST WILL BEGIN WITH AN INVOCATION FOLLOWED BY A MOMENT OF SILENCE AND THEN THE PLEDGE.>> DEAR GOD, GIVE US CLEAR MINDS AND PEACEFUL HEARTS AS WE GATHER TOGETHER TO MAKE IMPORTANT DECISIONS FOR THE GOOD OF THE COMMUNITY. AMEN.
>> PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE.
>> WE BEGIN WITH CITIZEN COMMENTS.
[CITIZEN COMMENTS]
DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS?>> YES, WE HAVE TWO, FIRST WE HAVE MICHAEL VINER AND THEN GLENN DOCHICO.
>> YOU MAY ASK, THIS IS THE TIME FOR NON-AGENDA ITEMS AND YOU'RE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES, IF YOU PLEASE.
ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD BEFORE ADDRESSING TOWN COUNCIL.
>> MY NAME IS MICHAEL VINER, I'M HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT, ACTUALLY A COUPLE OF INCIDENTS THAT HAPPENED IN MALLORY CREEK THIS PAST MONTH.
AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN GOING ON AND ON ABOUT THE ONGOING PROBLEM AND WITH MALLORY CREEK, WITH THE LAND.
FURTHERMORE, WE HAD SOME MEETINGS.
WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE RALLIED BEHIND US.
MARCH 4TH WAS OUR FIRST MEETING THAT WE HELD.
DID NOT GET HELP WAS CANCELED IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE THE BOARD SAW THAT THEY WERE MET WITH SUCH RESISTANCE. THEY DIDN'T LIKE IT.
NOT ONLY DID THE MARCH 4TH BOARD KNOCKOFF, THE ASSOCIATION HIRED A PRIVATE SECURITY OFFICER TO BE THERE.
ALSO HAD THE JUPITER POLICE DEPARTMENT WAITING OUTSIDE.
THE IRONIC THINGS ABOUT THAT IS ON THE MARCH 4TH MEETING, THE JUPITER POLICE FILED A POLICE REPORT STATING THERE WAS NO INCIDENT AT THE HOA MEETING.
THE MARCH 4TH MEETING, WE WERE CONFRONTED BY SECURITY.
ME AND OTHER PEOPLE WERE SCREAMED AT BY THE BOARD AND MANAGEMENT AND ALSO THEIR SECURITY TO GET OUT OF THE CLUBHOUSE.
I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND HOW A POLICE OFFICER COULD GENERATE A POLICE REPORT ON MARCH 4TH, SAYING THERE WASN'T AN INCIDENT WHEN THERE WAS, THEN WE COME TO MARCH 8TH MEETING FOUR DAYS LATER THAT THEY HOLD MAKING SURE KEEPING UNDER THE COVER OF DARKNESS, PUTTING A VERY SMALL CARD UP ON THE LITTLE LAW NOTICE BOARD, NOT LETTING THE HOMEOWNERS FROM NOVA MEETING, ME AND MR. DOCHICO SHOW UP.
THIS TIME WE'RE GREETED BY THE JUPITER POLICE DEPARTMENT SITTING IN A MEETING.
WHAT REALLY WAS DISTURBING ABOUT THAT IS, THAT'S FINE AND DANDY HAVE SECURITY, THEY CLAIM, OH, THERE'S GOING TO BE PROBLEMS, WHATEVER I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT THE BIGGEST THING THAT I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND, WHY THE POLICE OFFICER THAT SAT THERE FOR SECURITY BECAME A LAWYER AND STARTED SPEAKING FOR THE HOA ON THE BEHALF OF THE HOA.
THAT RIGHT THERE IS A BIG CIVIL PROBLEM.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ADDRESS IT.
I TOOK IT UP WITH TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON HERE, FOUND OUT WHEN I WENT TO THE POLICE AND CONTACTED THEM.
NO POLICE REPORT BY NOT VERY STRANGE POLICE OFFICER DIDN'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
HE HAD ISSUES THAT HE SCREWED UP ON BY PUTTING HIS $0.02 INTO OUR HOA MEETING.
ALSO, I WENT TO GO FILE A COMPLAINT TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS AND FIND OUT THAT WITHIN THAT SAME TIME FRAME, I COULD CALL BACK BY THE CHIEF OF POLICE, AND HE WANTS IT EXONERATE DAVID BURR IN THE POLICE, FURTHER ACTIONS AND NOT SAY, WELL, THIS IS A PROBLEM.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT'S GOT TO THIS.
IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE NOT TAKING SIDES, BUT WE'RE SIDING WITH WHAT HAS GONE ON AND OUR HOA FOR YEARS.
WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO HERE.
WE SHOULD BE TRYING TO THINK OF THE HOMEOWNERS HERE INSTEAD OF THE BOARD OR MANAGEMENT.
>> THANK YOU. YOU MADE YOUR POINT.
>> I NEED TO HERE BACK FROM THE TOWN COUNCIL ON THIS PAGE.
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>> NEXT IS GLENN DOCHICO AND THEN JEFFREY NEWSOME.
>> GOOD EVENING. SORRY, I HAVE TO BE HERE AGAIN, BUT AGAIN, ON RESOLUTION 8 DATE 23 MALLORY CREEK, THAT RESOLUTION WAS UNANIMOUSLY SHUT DOWN BY THIS ELECTED BODY, THE TOWN COUNCIL, AND I THANK YOU, AS DOES 98% OF THE COMMUNITY, WHEREAS THE AMOUNT OR CREEK COMMUNITY PROBABLY 100%, NEARLY 99.99 WHO CAN'T WAIT TILL SECONDS.
WHEREAS I HAVE REASON TO BELIEVE THOMAS BAIRD, THE TOWN LAWYER, RECUSED HIMSELF GRACIOUSLY, THOUGH HE AND I DIFFER ON ANY POTENTIAL CONFLICT OF INTERESTS ON THIS MATTER.
WHEREAS THE MALLORY CREEK MINUTES OF DECEMBER 17, 2022, WE HAVE THE BOARD STATING THAT THE TOWN BACK DOWN AND A NEW ATTORNEY IS APPOINTED TO REVIEW THIS SINCE THE PREVIOUS ONE KEPT CHANGING HIS OPINION.
HOW DOES THAT DOVETAIL WITH THE RECUSING HIMSELF? IT DOESN'T.
WHEREAS THE TOWN LAWYER MADE HIS POSITION ON THE BOARD'S AUTHORITY TO BRING RESOLUTION 823 IN 2019 WHEN HE WROTE A MEMO STATING SUCH THAT I HAVE STRONG REASON TO BELIEVE HE NEVER WAVERED ON ON THAT OPINION.
WE KNOW WHAT THAT OPINION WAS.
WHEREAS AFTER THE RESOLUTION WAS SHUT DOWN BY THIS ELECTED AND ESTEEM TOWN COUNCIL 10 DAYS LATER, THE ASSOCIATION ANNUAL MEETING ON MARCH 4TH THAT HE REFERRED TO AT THE BEHEST OF THE HOA BOARD OF MANAGEMENT, A JUPITER POLICE CARS PARKED OUTSIDE CLUBHOUSE WHERE THE MEETING POORLY CONDUCTED INSIDE AND ALLEGEDLY FOR THE SECURITY REASONS HE WAS THERE, WHEREAS NO INCIDENTS HAD OCCURRED AND THE POLICE REPORT HAD CONCLUDED.
IT WASN'T REALLY A POLICE REPORT IN FACT, IT WAS AN INCIDENT WHERE THERE WAS NOTHING.
THE FACT IS THAT THE MEETING WAS NOT CONDUCTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE COVENANTS OR THE LAW UNDER FLORIDA 720, THE MEMBERS WERE NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK AND IT WAS ADJOURNED WITHOUT THE PARTICIPATION OF THE MEMBERS THAT WERE PRESENT.
WHEREAS AT THE UNLAWFUL CONTINUATION OF THE IMPROPER MEETING, THAT CONTINUED ON MARCH 8TH, I HAVE EVERY REASON TO BELIEVE, AGAIN, THAT WAS THE ASSOCIATION BOARD REACHED OUT TO CHIEF ENGLAND FOR PROTECTION FROM MEMBER PARTICIPATION.
THIS TIME, THE POLICE OFFICER GOING BY THE NAME OF MCGILL MCCARTY WAS SEATED INSIDE THE MEETING.
HE MADE A GRAVE MISTAKE OF INTERFERING IN A PEACEFUL MEETING, ALBEIT NOT WITHOUT DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE MEMBERS AND THE BOARD.
WHEREAS THAT BOARD MOST APPOINTED THEMSELVES FOR ANOTHER TERM WHICH WAS PROPER GIVEN THERE WAS NO ELECTION DUE TO THEIR FEAR CANDIDATE SEES, HOWEVER, THE ASSOCIATION REMAINS WITH THE SAME SELF-PERPETUATING BOARD AND THE PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT THAT MISLED THE MEMBERS TO CONTROL THE FALSE NARRATIVE AND THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE OFFICIAL TOWN LAWYER, THOMAS BAIRD, AND LAW ENFORCEMENT.
GIVEN THAT SCENARIO, I'M GOING TO GO CUT RIGHT TO THE QUICK IS THIS 1984, AND I'M GOING TO HAND YOU [INAUDIBLE].
>> THE LAST ONE IS ACTUALLY FOR ITEM 8.
WITH THAT, COUNCIL, WE HAVE BEFORE US
[1. March 9, 2023 Town Council Special Meeting Minutes.]
THE MINUTES OF THE MARCH 9TH TOWN COUNSEL SPECIAL MEETING, AND WE ALSO HAVE ON THE DIER SOME SOME CORRECTIONS.ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR LOOK FOR MOVE A MOTION?
THAT'S INCLUDING THE MODIFIED.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE?
>> MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
MOVING ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.
[CONSENT AGENDA]
THESE ITEMS NUMBER 2 THROUGH 6 ON THE AGENDA, DO WE HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ONE WISHES TO PUSH OR PULL A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM?>> TWO THROUGH SEVEN? SEVEN IS REGULAR AGENDA.IT HAS BEEN CHANGED.
>> IT GOT CHANGED. THE CONSENT THERE.
>> I ALWAYS USE THE MARK [INAUDIBLE]. THANK YOU.
TWO THROUGH SEVEN. ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WISH TO PULL?
>> STAFF, TOWN MANAGER, ANYBODY ON THE COUNCIL? SEEING NONE, MOTION ON THE MODIFIED CONSENT AGENDA?
>> [OVERLAPPING] MOTION TO APPROVE MODIFIED CONSENT AGENDA.
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>> I GET A MOTION AND A SECOND.
NO ORDINANCES ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE?
>> MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
MOVING ON TO THE REGULAR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8,
[8. Approving an Interlocal agreement for fire protection and emergency medical services between the Town of Jupiter and Palm Beach County. (Materials to be distributed)]
APPROVING AN INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT FOR FIRE PROTECTION AND EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES BETWEEN THE TALENT PALM BEACH COUNTY.MY TOWN MANAGER, MIGHT TURN IT OVER. [NOISE]
>> GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
SCOTT REYNOLDS. TOWN OF JUPITER FINANCE.
THIS EVENING WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS THE INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR SOME TIME FOR FIRE RESCUE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES.
THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING IS TO TALK ABOUT THAT TIMELINE.
ALSO TO TALK ABOUT THE OBJECTIVES AS WE WENT THROUGH THE NEGOTIATIONS WITH PALM BEACH COUNTY.
ALSO, WE'RE GOING TO BE SEEKING THIS EVENING POLICY DIRECTION FROM THE TOWN COUNCIL ON A FEW ITEMS THAT ARE WITHIN THE AGREEMENT, AND THEN OPTIONS AND POSSIBLE NEXT STEPS TOWARDS THE FINALLY COMING UP WITH AN AGREEMENT THAT WILL MEET BOTH PARTIES SATISFACTORY.
THE TIMELINE, WE STARTED THIS BACK IN JANUARY OF 2022.
FROM THAT TIME PERIOD, THE COUNCIL WISH TO HAVE A STUDY AND HIRED A CONSULTANT TO LOOK AND PREPARE POSSIBLE OPTIONS FOR THE COUNCIL ALSO TO LOOK AT THE CURRENT SITUATION OF THE INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT.
DURING THAT TIME, SHORTLY AFTER THAT TIME, WE RECEIVED OUR FIRST PROPOSAL FROM PALM BEACH COUNTY BACK IN SEPTEMBER, LATE SUMMER, AND THEN ROLLING FORWARD INTO NOVEMBER AND INTO THE FALL, WE RECEIVED AN INFORMAL PROPOSAL WHICH YOU ALL HAVE SEEN THOSE PRESENTATIONS AND THOSE ITEMS AS THEY WERE OUTLINED.
WE ALSO HAD A ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION WITH THE ICMA TO TALK ABOUT PRELIMINARY FINDINGS WITHIN THE STUDY AND THAT WAS ALSO IN NOVEMBER OF 2022.
THEN FINALLY THE DATA FROM THAT STUDY WAS PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL IN JANUARY OF 2023 AND THEN NOW WE'RE AT A THIRD AND FINAL, HOPEFULLY A FINAL PROPOSAL WHICH STAFF HAS REVIEWED, MADE COMMENTS ON.
WE HAVE SENT IT BACK TO PALM BEACH COUNTY.
THEY HAVE FURTHER MAKE COMMENTS ON IT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING TO TALK ABOUT.
I DO HAVE A HOUSEKEEPING ITEM ON THE DIET.
WE HAD RECEIVED AN UPDATE TO THE PALM BEACH COUNTY PROPOSAL.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE TO POINT THAT OUT TO YOU.
YOU SHOULD HAVE THAT ON THE DIET REGARDING RECORDS FOR SECTION 2D, SO YOU SHOULD HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF YOU.
THE OBJECTIVES OF WHAT WE WENT UNDER DURING THE ALL-IN NEGOTIATIONS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AND LEADING UP TO THIS EVENING, WAS ACHIEVING A SUSTAINABLE MSTU RATE FOR THE JUPITER RESIDENTS.
ALSO CREATING AN ACCEPTABLE LEVEL OF LOCAL CONTROL OVER COST AND SERVICE LEVELS.
IDENTIFYING SUSTAINABLE TOTAL PROGRAM COSTS AND PROJECTED OVER TIME.
WE KNOW DURING EVERY BUDGET SEASON THE COUNCIL LIKES TO PROJECT OUT TO SEE WHAT THE TOTAL COST IS GOING TO BE OVER TIME, SO WE'VE ALWAYS KEPT THAT IN MIND.
MAINTAINING OR IMPROVING LEVELS OF SERVICE, INCORPORATING AN OPTION TO TERMINATE THE AGREEMENT IF NECESSARY IF THE COUNCIL SO WISHED.
ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, MEETING WITH CHIEF KENNEDY AND CHIEF DURHAM, WE'VE ALWAYS MADE SURE TO RECOGNIZE THE PERSONNEL ON FIRE.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A HIGH PRIORITY FOR
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THE TOWN COUNCIL AND ALSO STAFF THAT PUBLIC SAFETY IS NUMBER 1, LAW ENFORCEMENT AS WELL AS FIRE.WE ALWAYS LIKE TO MAKE SURE TO PUT THAT OUT THERE AS WE PROCEED THROUGH THESE NEGOTIATIONS.
SO SOME OF THE POLICY DECISIONS AS WE WENT THROUGH AND LOOKED AT THE CONTRACT THAT WE'RE SEEKING FROM THE COUNCIL WAS ON THE TERM OF THE CONTRACT.
IF YOU REMEMBER, THE AGREEMENT THAT WE RECEIVED IN LATE SUMMER, THE FIRST AGREEMENT HAD A FIVE-YEAR TERM TO THAT.
THAT CONTRACT WAS OUT THERE WHEN WE DID THE MSTU, WHICH WAS ALSO FOUR OR FIVE-YEAR TERM, THE COUNCIL'S APPROVE THAT MSTU, WHICH IS THE FUNDING MECHANISM FOR THE FIRE AGREEMENT AND WE'VE KEPT IT AT FIVE YEARS.
NOW, THE COUNTY HAS COUNTERED THAT AND SO THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A 10-YEAR AGREEMENT WITH A FIVE-YEAR RENEWAL, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE POLICY ITEMS THAT WE'RE SEEKING FROM THE COUNCIL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO INCREASE THAT TO 10 YEARS? THEN AGAIN, WHATEVER TIME-FRAME THAT WE HAVE FOR THE TERM, WE WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO HAVE THE MSTU ORDINANCE ALSO MIMIC THE INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT FOR THAT TIME FRAME AS WELL.
>> IF YOU DON'T MIND JUST PAUSING FOR A MOMENT.
I JUST WANT TO SET THE PROTOCOL FOR HOW WE'RE GOING TO CONDUCT THIS.
IT'S MY COLLEAGUES CAN COMMENT IF YOU DISAGREE, BUT WE'VE SEEN THIS AHEAD OF TIME.
THANK YOU, IT MAYBE SOME UPDATES.
I THINK IT'S PROBABLY APPROPRIATE YOU GO THROUGH ALL THE POLICY DECISION POINTS.
BACK TO US, WE THEN GO THROUGH THAT, ASK THE CHIEF OR WHEREVER OR STAFF WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS OR WHATEVER ON EACH ITEM.
BUT RATHER THAN PAUSE HERE, I'M GOING TO SUGGEST, BUT LET MY COLLEAGUES KNOW THAT I THINK WE'D COME BACK AND EACH POLICY ITEM.
DISCUSS ON THAT DISCUSSION WOULD INCLUDE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS.
>> I THINK AFTER THE PRESENTATION, I'D AGREE WITH THAT, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS ITEM 2 LIKE HERE BEFORE.
THE NEXT ITEM WAS THE TOTAL PROGRAM COSTS, AS WE'VE TRIED TO KEEP THAT IN MIND GOING THROUGH THE NEGOTIATION IS WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE TOTAL COST OF THE JUPITER TAXPAYER.
ONE OF THE OBJECTIVES DURING THE FIRST PROPOSAL THAT WE RECEIVED, THERE WAS ANY KIND OF REVENUE CREDITS THAT WOULD COME BACK TO THE TOWN.
WHEREAS THE CURRENT AGREEMENT THAT WE GO UNDER AS A BASELINE, A METHODOLOGY OF A PERCENTAGE OF BATTALION ONE BASED ON THE NUMBER OF CALLS.
WE CONSIDER THAT TO BE AS CLOSE TO ACTUAL COSTS AS POSSIBLE WITH ADDITIONAL REVENUE CREDITS, WE WERE SEEKING TO TRY TO KEEP THE COST METHODOLOGY AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO WHAT WE CURRENTLY ARE UNDER.
BUT THERE HAS BEEN A NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT THE PALM BEACH COUNTY HAS ADDED BACK IN OR THAT THEY'VE REQUESTED.
ONE OF THE ITEMS WHICH WE HAVE AGREED TO WAS A MAXIMUM ALLOWANCE FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FROM A CAP OF 200,000 TO A CAP OF 400,000.
STAFF HAS STATED THAT THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE.
BUT THE OTHER ITEMS THAT THE COUNT HE HAS INDICATED THEY'D LIKE TO SEE AS PART OF THE METHODOLOGY WOULD BE MOVE-UP COST, NON-BUDGETARY SITUATIONS, AND NEW STATION CONSTRUCTION.
THE AMOUNT OF THESE ITEMS WOULD BE AT THE SOLE DISCRETION OF PALM BEACH COUNTY AND THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS THAT WOULD JUST BE A NOTIFICATION PROCESS AFTER THAT FACT, WHATEVER THOSE COSTS ARE.
THE NEXT ITEM IS STAFFING LEVELS.
IF YOU REMEMBER RIGHT BACK IN 2018, 2019, I BELIEVE IT WAS CHIEF DIRT AND ACTUALLY CAME TO THE TOWN AND INDICATED THAT HE NEEDED ADDITIONAL STAFF AT, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE BURT REYNOLDS STATION TO MEET HIS STANDARDS AND WE TOOK AN AMENDMENT BEFORE THE TOWN COUNCIL TO GET THAT APPROVED AND THE TOWN COUNCIL APPROVE THAT.
THAT WAS AT THE LEVEL OF 20 STAFF MEMBERS ON STATION.
THE CURRENT AGREEMENT AS PALM BEACH COUNTY HAS INDICATED, THAT THEY'D LIKE TO REMOVE THAT TO MAKE AN UNLIMITED AS FAR AS STAFFING.
RIGHT NOW, THE STAFF IN OUR CURRENT AGREEMENT IS A MATERIAL TERM OF THE CONTRACT, WHICH MEANS THAT IF THEY WANTED TO CHANGE THAT FOR ANY REASON,
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THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE THE COUNCIL LIKE THEY DID IN 2018.SAME THING WITH ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT.
EQUIPMENT IS AGAIN A MATERIAL TERMINATE THE CONTRACT.
AGAIN, IF THEY WANTED TO CHANGE ANY OF THAT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE TOWN, SEEK ANY AMENDMENT.
RIGHT NOW THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT AS THEIR SOLE DISCRETION.
WE'VE BEEN SEEKING THE COST PROJECTIONS LOOKING FORWARD.
I KNOW THE COUNCIL HAS A LIKES TO SEE THAT FROM TOWN STAFF.
ANYTIME THERE'S A FINANCIAL DECISION TO BE MADE, WE ARE TO BRING BACK BEFORE THE COUNCIL WHAT THAT'S GOING TO COST THE TOWN AND ANY FUTURE PROJECTION OF COSTS LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE.
WE'RE ASKING THE SAME IN RELATION TO THIS AGREEMENT.
I WILL POINT TO THERE WAS A LETTER THAT CAME IN FROM CHIEF KENNEDY, A MEMORANDA.
THANK YOU. THERE WAS A LETTER THAT CAME IN FROM CHIEF KENNEDY THAT INCLUDED A COST PROJECTION LOOKING FORWARD OVER THE 10-YEAR SPAN OF THE PROPOSED CONTRACT, THAT WOULD TAKE IT FROM THE CURRENT LEVEL OF FUNDING OF JUST OVER $25 MILLION TO AN ESTIMATED $44 MILLION BASED ON THE GRAPH THAT WE SAW.
THE NEXT THING IS IMPACT FEES.
OUR CURRENT AGREEMENT DOESN'T ADDRESS IMPACT FEES, BUT STAFF FELT THAT THE IMPACT FEES THAT ARE COLLECTED FROM DEVELOPMENT WITHIN JUPITER SHOULD STAY WITHIN JUPITER.
THE COUNTY HAS COUNTERED AND STATED THAT THEY WOULD NOT AGREE TO THAT THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO SPREAD THOSE IMPACT FEE COLLECTIONS ACROSS THE COUNTY FOR OTHER CAPITAL EXPANSION ITEMS. FINANCIAL REPORTING. AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT AS THIS TOWN STAFF, WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO ON YEAR-TO-DATE BUDGET ACTUAL ESPECIALLY AFTER THE AUDIT IS COMPLETE.
WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE BALANCE SHEETS, WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE FUND BALANCE IS WITHIN THE FUND.
WE WANT TO SEE WHAT THE YEAR-TO-DATE BUDGET IS AFTER THE YEAR CLOSES.
WE'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT WAS STAMPED, WHAT WAS NOT A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL AS FAR AS THE FINANCIALS DIDN'T REALLY SEE THAT THAT WAS AN ISSUE AND THAT COULD ACCOMPANY THE ANNUAL REPORT IF THEY SO WISH BUT PALM BEACH COUNTY, THIS IS PART OF THE AMENDMENT THAT YOU RECEIVE FROM FRIDAY, BASICALLY STATING THAT THEY WOULD PROVIDE FINANCIALS TO US JUST TO BE ABLE TO CALCULATE THE COST METHODOLOGY.
EARLY ON THAT WAS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE WERE SEEKING, WHICH IS 12 MONTH NOTIFICATION IF THE COUNCIL SO WISH TO EXERCISE THE RIGHT TO TERMINATE THE CONTRACT.
THE COUNTY HAS INDICATED THEY'D LIKE TO SEE 36 MONTHS AFTER FURTHER REVIEW AND DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNTY WE DON'T FEEL THAT 36 MONTHS WOULD BE A PROBLEM FOR THE TOWN.
IN FACT, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL SO WISHED IF THEY DECIDED TO GO IN ANOTHER DIRECTION THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULDN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT ANYWAYS.
THE 36TH MONTH CLAUSE DEFINITELY SEEMS IN LINE WITH WHAT STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND AS WELL SO WE'RE RE-SENDING THE 12 MONTHS.
AS INDICATED EARLIER, THE AMENDMENT PROCESS, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ALWAYS WORKED UNDER.
WE ALWAYS HAD A REALLY GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE, THAT IF THERE WERE EVER ANY AMENDMENT THAT WAS NEEDED TO THE CONTRACT, THAT THEY WOULD SPEAK WITH TOWN STAFF, SPECIFICALLY THE TOWN MANAGER, AND THEN COME BACK BEFORE THE TOWN COUNCIL.
AGAIN, I'VE BEEN THROUGH THOSE PROCESSES WITH PALM BEACH COUNTY.
I KNOW I DID IT WITH CHIEF JORDAN AS MATTER OF FACT, ON THE PERSONNEL ISSUE THAT I JUST DISCUSSED.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN VERY AMICABLE AND VERY EASY PROCESS.
WE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WANTED TO REMOVE THAT PROVISION, BUT OUTSIDE OF JUST CONTROL.
TO SOME DEGREE, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT FROM A MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE BUT FROM THE TOWN'S PERSPECTIVE, WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN VERY PRO PUBLIC SAFETY.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, I REMEMBER ONE OF THE MEETINGS WHERE THE AMENDMENT WAS OCCURRING, AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH COUNCIL MEMBER ASKED THE CHIEF IF THERE WAS ANYTHING
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ADDITIONAL THEY'D LIKE TO ADD INTO THE AMENDMENT ALWAYS BEEN VERY AMICABLE.WITHOUT THE AMENDMENT ONE THING I WILL SAY IS THESE ARE OPEN-ENDED COSTS.
WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO STOP MAYOR OR KEEP GOING.
>> POSSIBLE OPTIONS AND NEXT STEPS, AS WE SEE IT, THAT WE CAN ACCEPT THE PALM BEACH COUNTY PROPOSED AGREEMENT, WHICH IS IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET.
PROVIDE TOWN STAFF WITH DIRECTION ON HOW TO PROCEED WITH EACH OF THE POLICY DECISION POINTS TO FURTHER NEGOTIATION.
DIRECT TOWN STAFF TO BRING FORWARD THE AGREEMENT BY A SPECIFIC DEADLINE, REGARDLESS OF THE STATUS OF THE NEGOTIATIONS, TO REPORT BACK TO THE COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC AND PROVIDE DIRECTION TOWN STAFF TO PURSUE OTHER OPTIONS IF NECESSARY.
THAT IS THE END OF MY PRESENTATION, MAYOR.
>> WE HAD SOME PUBLIC COMMENT.
MY NAME IS JEFFREY NEWSOME. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTERS AND PARAMEDICS PALM BEACH COUNTY LOCAL 2928.
I'VE GOT THE HONOR OF REPRESENTING ABOUT 2,700 FIREFIGHTERS IN THE AREA, WHETHER ACTIVE OR RETIRED.
WE REPRESENT PALM BEACH COUNTY TO CUESTA RIVIERA BEACH PALM BEACH, PALM BEACH GARDENS, NORTH PALM BEACH, AND GREEN ACRES.
TWENTY EIGHT YEARS AGO YESTERDAY I WAS HIRED BY PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE.
WE GRADUATED RECRUIT ACADEMY AND THE UNION PRESIDENT BROUGHT MY CLASS TOGETHER AND SAID, I HAVE GOOD NEWS AND BAD NEWS.
THE GOOD NEWS IS YOU JUST GOT HIRED WITH THE GREATEST DEPARTMENT IN THE COUNTRY.
THE BAD NEWS IS JUPITER'S PULLING OUT AND YOU PROBABLY GOING TO GET LAID OFF, THAT'S 28 YEARS AGO YESTERDAY.
INSTEAD OF BEING ON CLOUD 9, WE SPENT THE FIRST COUPLE OF MONTHS OF OUR CAREER FIGHTING FOR OUR JOBS.
WHILE MOST OF YOU WILL LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY FOREVER, YOU ONLY SERVE THE TOWN FOR A HANDFUL OF YEARS.
SOME OF YOUR CURRENT FIREFIGHTERS HAVE BEEN SERVICE COMMUNITY FOR DECADES.
THEY LOVE PROVIDING PROFESSIONAL, COMPASSIONATE, AND EXCEPTIONAL SERVICE TO THE RESIDENTS AND VISITORS IN JUPITER, I'D BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T POINT OUT THAT RIGHT NOW THEY'RE PROVIDING THAT SAME LEVEL OF CARE THAT YOU EXPECT EVEN KNOW, THEY KNOW THAT THERE'S A CHANCE THAT YOU MIGHT PULL THE PLUG AND THEY MAY HAVE TO GO TO WORK SOMEWHERE ELSE.
I'M IN CONTACT WITH UNION PRESIDENTS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, THE CONVERSATIONS HAVE SHIFTED FROM PAY AND BENEFITS TO RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION.
THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR YOU BECAUSE YOU WANT TO START A SMALL DEPARTMENT.
I'M INTIMATELY INVOLVED IN THE CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS FOR ALL THOSE LITTLE DEPARTMENTS THAT I JUST NAMED.
EACH TIME WE GO TO THE TABLE AND NEGOTIATE, WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A CREATIVE WAY TO RETAIN AND RECRUIT EMPLOYEES.
WHILE WE DON'T REPRESENT THE CITY OF BOYNTON BEACH, YOU MIGHT'VE NOTICED THAT THEY JUST RECENTLY WENT TO A 42 HOUR WORKWEEK AND THEY STOPPED TESTING FOR THC.
THAT'S HOW CREATIVE THEY HAD TO GET TO RETAIN AND RECRUIT FIREFIGHTERS.
THE CONSULTANT FIRM, THE HIGHER PAINT A PRETTY ROSY PICTURE OF FIREFIGHTERS COMING TO WORK AND LIVE IN JUPITER.
LET'S BE HONEST, YOUR NEW FIREFIGHTERS ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO LIVE IN JUPITER.
ALSO, THE TECHNICAL REPORT HAS YOUR FIREFIGHTERS WORK IN A 56 HOUR WORKWEEK THAT 16.7 PERCENT MORE HOURS THAN THEIR PEERS FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
THE PAYMENT IS 75 PERCENTILE OF THE FIREFIGHTERS IN THE AREA THAT ALSO IS GOING TO HURT YOU.
REMEMBER, I HELPED NEGOTIATE THESE CONTRACTS, SO I UNDERSTAND HOW THIS WORKS.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A TOTAL OF 93 EMPLOYEES.
PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE HAS PROMOTED ALMOST DOUBLE THAT IN THE LAST 18-24 MONTHS THAT'S JUST PROMOTIONS.
PEOPLE WANT TO WORK WHERE THEY HAVE ABILITY TO MOVE UP.
MAKE NO MISTAKE YOUR DEPARTMENT, LIKE MOST DEPARTMENTS, THIS AREA WILL IN FACT BECOME A TRAINING GROUND FOR PLACES LIKE PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE AND MIAMI-DADE FIRE RESCUE, YOUR TURNOVER RATE WILL BE HIGH AND YOU WILL SPEND DECADES TRYING TO GET BACK TO THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT YOU'RE ALREADY GETTING FOR YOUR RESONANCE.
I COULD GO ON, BUT I'LL CLOSE WITH THIS.
HERE WE ARE 28 YEARS AND ONE DAY LATER, HAVING THE EXACT SAME CONVERSATION THAT WAS HAD WITH ME AS A NEW RECRUIT.
THE DIFFERENCE IS NOW I'M THE ONE WHO HAS TO TELL THESE GUYS THAT THEIR JOB MAYBE IN PERIL. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.
>> ANYBODY ELSE? THAT WAS IT? COMING BACK TO COUNCIL, I GUESS LET'S JUST STARTING THIS PAGE HERE.
>> MAYOR ARE WE GOING TO HEAR FROM THE COUNTY AT ALL OR THAT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN LATER?
>> WE HAVE SOME PRESENTATION, THERE IS SOMETHING YOU WANT TO GIVE?
>> WE DO. BUT I DON'T KNOW ON THE FORMAT THAT YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH.
WE CERTAINLY CAN PUT IT IN A POWERPOINT THAT REALLY GOES IN STEP WITH WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO PROCEED.
>> WELL, IF YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION, WE CAN GO THROUGH.
I WASN'T EXPECTING THAT, BUT IF IT'S THE SAME AS WE HAVE, THEN WE GO THROUGH SELECTIVELY THIS.
>> QUITE HONESTLY MAYOR, WE WANT TO ASK, WE JUST PREPARE FOR IT SO HOWEVER YOU WANT US TO PROCEED, WE WILL.
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>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE.
>> WE WILL GO AHEAD AND SET IT UP.
IT'S JUST GO IN LINE EXACTLY WITH WHAT YOU HAVE UP ON THE SCREEN.
>> I HAVEN'T HEARD BACK FROM YOU FOR FIVE WEEKS.
I HAD NO IDEA YOU'RE COMING HERE TO PRESENT ANYTHING.
WHEN WE LAST MET ON FEBRUARY 13TH, YOU'RE GOING TO GET BACK WITH ME.
>> WE CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH WITH THE TOWN AND WE CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH WITH THE CONTRACT.
THAT'S WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW AND WE'RE CONTINUING TO TRY TO DO THAT ON A DAILY BASIS.
LET ME OPEN BY SAYING ON BEHALF OF THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO FAITHFULLY SERVED THE TOWN OF JUPITER AND SUPPORT THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION, WE ARE PROUD TO BE YOUR FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT.
WE CANNOT THANK YOU ENOUGH FOR YOUR TRUST AND YOUR PARTNERSHIP.
AS WE MENTIONED BEFORE, WE DO HAVE A NEARLY 40-YEAR HISTORY.
THAT IS BASED ON THE SERVICE, THE VALUE, PERFORMANCE, AND DELIVERY.
THE TIMELINES ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FOR US.
WE DID GIVE YOU A PROPOSAL IN FEBRUARY, I BELIEVE IT WAS MENTIONED THAT WAS IN MARCH.
OUR THIRD PROPOSAL CAME TO YOU IN EARLY FEBRUARY.
ALSO, ANOTHER THING OF NOTE IS AN APRIL 2ND, I WAS INSTALLED AS THE FIRST FIRE CHIEF ON MARCH 30TH.
WHEN WE SAT DOWN, WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION SAYING THIS WOULD BE OUR DAY 1 CONVERSATION.
WE KNEW AT THAT POINT THAT WE'D BE STARTING FORWARD FROM WHEREVER WE STARTED AT THAT POINT AND WHATEVER THE CONVERSATIONS WHERE CHIEF TURN BEFORE WE WOULD BE STARTING ON APRIL 6TH, AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
WE KEEP HEARING THIS TIMELINE OF JANUARY.
I DO REALIZE YOU WERE WORKING WITH PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE, BUT WITH THIS FIRE CHIEF, YOU'VE BEEN WORKING WITH ME SINCE APRIL 6TH.
IN OUR CONVERSATIONS, WE KEPT HEARING THAT WE WANTED TO HAVE A LONG-TERM AGREEMENT.
WE TOOK THAT AS A 15-YEAR AGREEMENT BECAUSE IT WAS BEYOND THE ORIGINAL 10.
WE TRIED TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WAS AGREEABLE TO BOTH OF US TO SAY THERE WOULD BE THIS CHECKPOINT AT THAT 10-YEAR MARK AND THEN IT WOULD EXTEND FOR ANOTHER FIVE.
WE BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS A COMPROMISE.
WE WENT DOWN TO 10 AT THIS POINT BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT WE HAD RECEIVED.
THE TOTAL PROGRAM COSTS, WHICH COMES FROM YOUR SLIDE ON PAGE 6.
WE DID IDENTIFY FOUR AREAS THAT WE FELT THAT THAT WEREN'T REALIZED AND THAT WAS BASED ON FEEDBACK FROM PUBLIC COMMENT HERE IN THE COUNCIL AND THEN ALSO PRIVATE COMMENT.
REALLY WHAT WE TRIED TO COME UP WITH IS AREAS WHERE WE'RE NOT RECOGNIZING THE PREVIOUS CONTRACT FROM 2013 AND THAT WAS THE MOVE UP COSTS.
THAT WAS THE NON BUDGETED SITUATIONS.
THAT WAS THE NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR STATIONS BECAUSE OF GROWTH, VISITORS AND NEAR ROUND RESIDENTS.
THEN WE ALSO BROUGHT UP THE FACT OF THE CAPITAL COST WHICH THE TOWN HAS AGREED TO, WHICH WAS MENTIONED.
WE CAME UP WITH THOSE FOUR POINTS.
WE MOVE THROUGH THOSE ALREADY.
I THINK WE HAVE MADE CONCESSIONS ALREADY.
FIRE RESCUE AGREED TO CREDIT THE TOWN FOR THE TOWN OF JUPITER UNITS MOVING OUT OF THE TOWN OF JUPITER IN THE COST METHODOLOGY FOR MOVE UP.
THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP TO US DURING OUR CONVERSATION IS ABOUT THE METHODOLOGY AND WE QUICKLY CONSENTED TO THAT.
AGAIN, THIS WAS ALREADY AGREED UPON BY YOUR STAFF.
NUMBER 3, UNFORESEEN AN UNFUNDED SITUATIONS.
THE BEST EXAMPLE THAT WE HAVE, AND I THINK THE ONLY EXAMPLE THAT WE HAVE, BECAUSE COVID-19 REALLY CAN'T BE USED AS THAT EXAMPLE BECAUSE COVID-19 WOULD BE CONSIDERED REIMBURSABLE.
BUT THE JUPITER BRIDGE PROJECT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE PIVOTED TOWARDS.
WE STOOD UP A TEMPORARY FIRE STATION NEAR THE JUPITER LIGHTHOUSE WITH THE BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT.
WE COORDINATED THAT, NEGOTIATED THAT,
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AND RENOVATED THOSE QUARTERS FOR OUR CREWS TO LIVE IN THREE FIREFIGHTERS, 365, 24 HOURS A DAY WITH A FIRE ENGINE.THAT ALSO INCLUDES THIS FAIR FIRE ENGINE.
JUST IN CASE ANYTHING HAPPENS TO THAT FIRE ENGINE, WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE THAT CAN BACKFILL THAT INCLUDES THE SAME MEDICAL EQUIPMENT THAT YOU'VE COME ACCUSTOMED TO ALONG WITH THE FIRE EQUIPMENT.
NUMBER 4, THIS HAS TO DO WITH IF WE DO NEED ADDITIONAL FIRE STATIONS BECAUSE WE ARE SEEING INCREASED GROWTH, WE'RE SEEING INCREASED TRAFFIC.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS CONTRACT DEFINITELY CALLS FOR IS TO HAVE A STANDARD RESPONSE TIME AND THEN HAVE THE CALL AND BASICALLY MAKE SURE THAT THE COUNTY IS IN A STATE OF READINESS.
IF WE FIND THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE EXTENDED RESPONSE TIMES THAN NOT GOING TO BE THE KEEP UP WITH OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE.
WE HAVE TRAFFIC PREEMPTION, WHICH WE'RE USING RIGHT NOW, AND THE BRIDGE PROJECT, WHICH WE FIRE RESCUE DID PAY FOR SOME OF THOSE UNITS THAT GO ONTO TRUCKS.
THEN ALSO THE CONTROLLERS WERE PAID BY FDOT, BUT THE TIME AND THE LABOR WAS SPENT BY PALM BEACH COUNTY AND PALM BEACH COUNTY THEMSELVES, THE TRAFFIC CONTROL IS AN OPERATION OF THAT AS WELL.
THIS LANGUAGE IS TO SUPPORT THAT IF WE WERE TO EVER MOVE TO A FIRE STATION, I DO NOT HAVE THAT IN OUR CAPITAL PLAN RIGHT NOW.
BASICALLY, THE TOWN WOULD PAY ONLY AFTER THE COUNTY PAID FOR THE CARRYING COST TO BUILD THAT FIRE STATION.
INCREASING STAFFING LEVELS OF THE SOLE DISCRETION OF PALM BEACH COUNTY.
I SEE THIS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
PALM BEACH COUNTY HAS COME ALONG WAY TO GET A STANDARD LEVEL OF SERVICE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
WE HAVE THREE FIREFIGHTERS ON AN ENGINE, WE HAVE THREE FIREFIGHTERS ON A RESCUE TRUCK.
WE HAVE OFFICERS ON THOSE TRUCKS.
WE HAVE A STANDARD LEVEL OF SERVICE THROUGHOUT THE TOWN.
WHAT I WOULD EXPECT IS ANY UNITS TO COME INTO THE TOWN OF JUPITER WOULD HAVE THAT SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE, VICE VERSA.
THIS WOULD BE BASED ON OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND OUR COUNTING WIDE LEVEL OF SERVICE.
I WILL HAVE CHIEF DARREN SPEAK BRIEFLY IN A MINUTE REGARDING HIS EXPERIENCE WHEN WE HAD THE MOVES THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE ACCOUNTING DOES NOT TAKE LIGHTLY.
FIRE RESCUE CANNOT ARBITRARILY INCREASED DAILY STAFFING LEVELS.
I SAY THAT BECAUSE WE'VE NEVER DONE THAT TO MY KNOWLEDGE WHERE WE JUST SAY, HEY, LISTEN, WE'RE GOING TO PUT UNITS ON THE TRUCK WITHOUT APPROVAL.
HOWEVER, WE ARE GOING TO DO THAT AND TIMES WHERE WE HAVE GROWTH OR VISITATION IMPACTS OR WHATNOT WHERE STATIONS AND ACCORDING TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, HAD MEANT THE GROWTH NEED AND WE INCREASE THOSE STAFFING LEVELS.
I'M TRYING TO KEEP THIS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
CHIEF DARREN, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK BRIEFLY ABOUT THAT?
>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL.
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR GIVING THIS OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT ON THIS ISSUE OF STAFFING.
THERE WAS A PERIOD OF TIME WHEN WORKING ALONGSIDE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IT WAS MADE TO THEM TO REALIZE THAT HOW MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE UNITS WOULD BE WITH HAVING A THIRD PERSON ON THE RESCUE UNIT.
IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT BECAUSE IT WAS DIFFICULT TO GET THAT MANY FIREFIGHTERS HIRED ON BOARD, WE PRIORITIZE THE STATIONS.
WE PRIORITIZE WHAT STATIONS AT THE MOST RESPONSES, WHAT STATION WILL BENEFIT GREATEST FROM THIS ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTER.
AT SOME POINT, VERY EARLY ON THE LIST UNITS HERE IN THIS TOWN BECAME THE PRIORITY, AND WE STAFFED THEM.
PRIOR TO THAT I DID ENGAGE WITH THE TOWN TO DISCUSS BRINGING THIS ADDITIONAL BODY ON BOARD AND THE COST WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
THERE WAS ACTUALLY SEVERAL MEETINGS.
DIDN'T FLOW QUITE AS EASILY AS I THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD BECAUSE IT WAS NOT A SURPRISE.
BUT IN THE INTER MALL WE HAD OUR DISCUSSIONS, WE CONTINUE TO PUT THAT POSITION FILLED INTO THE STATIONS AND PROVIDE THAT POSITION IN GOOD FAITH.
BECAUSE AGAIN, WE TALK ABOUT LOOKING AT AN ENTIRE SYSTEM.
FOR US, WE'RE GOING TO PUT RESOURCES WHERE THEY'RE NEEDED, NOT OVER ABUNDANCE ANY COMMUNITY WITH MORE THAN THEY NEED TO MAKE SURE WE CONTINUE TO BE EFFECTIVE.
THE ISSUE COMES UP CONTINUOUSLY DURING OUR DISCUSSIONS AND I UNDERSTAND THIS IN REGARDS TO GUARDRAILS.
I CAN TELL YOU THERE'S NO DESIRE TO PUT RESOURCES INTO THIS COMMUNITY IT DOESN'T NEED FOR ANY REASON JUST TO RUN UP A BILL.
THAT'S NOT THE INTENT BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS HERE HAS GOT TO HAPPEN EVERYWHERE.
THERE IS SOME RESISTANCE TO INCREASING CAPACITY AND BUDGETS UNNECESSARILY, AND THERE HAS TO BE A JUSTIFICATION EVERY TIME WE DO THAT.
WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO COMMIT TO DO THAT ON EVERY LEVEL.
BECAUSE JUST LIKE YOU HAVE A BOARD HERE THERE'S ALSO A BOARD THROUGHOUT THIS COUNTY, PALM BEACH COUNTY AS WELL AS OTHER CITIES LOOKING AT US SAYING, WHAT ARE WE DOING.
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HOW WE BEST GETTING THE RESOURCES OR THE FUNDS THAT ARE BEING PROVIDED TO US.WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO DO THAT.
I JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE VERY MUCH FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE, THAT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE A HIGH LEVEL OF SERVICE AND THE HIGHEST EFFICIENCY.
I WANT TO SAY ONE MORE THING ABOUT STAFFING AND HIRING.
THERE IS A SHORTAGE OF FIREFIGHTER MEDICS THROUGHOUT THE STATE, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
WE CAN BRING YOU MULTIPLE ARTICLES, WE CAN BRING IN NEW FIRE CHIEFS HERE TO TELL YOU THERE CHALLENGE WITH HIRING GOOD QUALITY CANDIDATES. THERE'S A SHORTAGE.
THERE'S SHORTAGE OF EMPLOYEES THAT EXIST THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY IN A REALM OF FIELDS EXIST VERY MUCH WITH FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDICS.
WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE HERE THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO HIRE THE FIREFIGHTERS IN THE END, BUT THAT LIST IS GETTING SHORTER AND THE POOL OF CANDIDATES IS WANING.
IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE STAY IN THE RIGHT SPACE THAT WE KEEP MOTIVATING PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BE A PART OF THIS GROWING DEPARTMENT THAT WE HAVE, THEY PROVIDE THE RESOURCES THE COMMUNITY DESERVES.
>> IN LINE WITH THE INCREASING EQUIPMENT ON PAGE 8, AND THAT DOESN'T GO IN LINE WITH THE SLIDE THAT'S UP RIGHT NOW.
ACTUALLY IT DOES. IT'S PAGE 7 AND 8.
IF WE DO HAVE SOME GUARD RAILS IN THERE AND BASICALLY I WOULD SAY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WOULD BE THE GUIDING DOCUMENT, THAT IF THERE WERE ANY CHANGES MADE IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE HAVE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR THE CHANGES THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT.
THE EQUIPMENT DOES NOT, NOTE THAT BUT WE CAN EASILY INCLUDE THAT INTO THE CONTRACT AS WELL.
THIS IS JUST AN OVERVIEW ABOUT SOME OF THE CHALLENGES FIRE RESCUE HAS DEALT WITH OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS AND I DO BELIEVE THAT WE WILL DEAL WITH IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS AND WE'RE TRYING TO MODERNIZE THIS AGREEMENT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT IS THE LARGE APPARATUS COST.
I KNOW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE UP ON THE SCREEN THAT IT'S $731,784 IN 2023 THAT HAS JUST BEEN MOVED UP TO NEARLY A MILLION DOLLARS NEXT YEAR FOR A FIRE RESCUE PUMPER, WHICH IS A FIRE ENGINE.
OUR RESCUE TRUCKS HAVE WENT UP 105%, OUR BRUSHSTROKES HAVE WENT UP 234%.
WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS, THE CARRYING COST THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT IS THE DIESEL AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT GOES ALONG WITH OPERATING THESE VEHICLES AND THE MAINTENANCE.
IMPACT FEES. THAT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER.
THE BEST RESPONSE THAT I HAVE FOR THE COUNCIL IS IMPACT FEES ARE UTILIZED COUNTYWIDE TO REINFORCE RESOURCES IN ALL AREAS SERVED.
THAT HAS BEEN CONSISTENT WITH OUR PRACTICE AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE CONSISTENTLY MOVING TOWARDS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY AND WE'RE GOING TO STAY COMMITTED TO THAT.
FIRE RESCUE DID SPEND NEARLY $1.9 MILLION IN REMEDIATION AND REPAIRS FOR STATION 19 IN AN UNFORTUNATE EVENT THAT HAPPENED THAT FLOODED THE STATION.
THE INSURANCE REIMBURSED US FOR $830,000 AND THE DIFFERENCE WAS A MILLION DOLLARS THAT THE COUNTY CARRIED FOR THAT REPAIR AND FOR THAT REMEDIATION.
THE FINANCIAL REPORTING, WE DO BELIEVE AND I WILL HAVE OUR FINANCE SECTION COME UP AND TALK IN A FEW MINUTES IF THE QUESTION DOES ARISE FURTHER.
TWO SECTIONS IN THERE THAT WE DO BELIEVE THAT WILL GIVE THE PROPER REPORTING THAT THE TOWN IS LOOKING FOR IN SECTION 14 AND SECTION 3D THAT WAS POINTED OUT TO US THAT WAS ACCIDENTALLY OMITTED BECAUSE OF THE MSTU LANGUAGE BEING FIXED INITIALLY, AND IT NEVER WAS REINSERTED BECAUSE OF THE METHODOLOGY.
OUR APOLOGIES FOR THAT ONE. TERMINATION, YES.
I'M GLAD THAT THE TOWN REALIZES THE IMPACT THAT THAT WOULD HAVE ON 90 FIREFIGHTERS.
THANK YOU FOR STAFF FOR RECOMMENDING THAT.
THERE IS A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WOULD TAKE FOR US TO OPERATIONALLY AND LOGISTICALLY PLAN TO REALLOCATE THOSE RESOURCES THROUGHOUT FIRE RESCUE SYSTEM IN THE UNFORTUNATE EVENT THE TOWN DECIDES TO GO IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION AFTER NEARLY 40 YEAR RELATIONSHIP.
FIRE RESCUE WILL CONTINUE TO OPERATE CONSISTENT WITH THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IF WE PUT THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT WE WILL NEED TO MOVE AWAY FROM ADD ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE FOR AMENDMENTS BECAUSE THE CHANGES WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH FIRE RESCUES, DELIVERY SERVICE THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE COUNTY.
MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL, I CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH FOR ENTRUSTING US TO DELIVER THIS LEVEL OF SERVICE AND LET US BE HERE TONIGHT TO SPEAK BEFORE YOU.
IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS WE'RE HERE.
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>> SCOTT, COULD YOU PUT BACK THE SLIDES.
AS YOU'RE PUTTING THAT BACKUP, THERE'S NEVER EVER EVER BEEN ANY QUESTION ABOUT THE QUALITY OF SERVICES THAT PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE PROVIDES TO THE TOWN.
WE ALSO HAD EVERY INTENTION AND OUR EXPECTATION WAS.
IN MOVING FORWARD IN THIS, WE'VE HAD A CONTRACT AGREEMENT THAT HAS SERVED US WELL FOR SEVERAL DECADES.
QUITE FRANKLY, I'M SURPRISED WITH THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES BEING PROPOSED TO THAT.
BUT WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THESE.
I THINK WE CAN GO THROUGH THESE HERE BUT I THINK IN ORDER TO DECIDE BETWEEN THESE OPTIONS PERHAPS I THINK COUNCIL SHOULD GO THROUGH EACH SUGGESTED POLICY DIRECTION THAT WE SHOULD PROVIDE TO SEE IF WE HAVE AGREEMENT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF PALM BEACH COUNTY RESPONSE.
WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME AND THEN HAVE COMMENTS.
BUT AT THE END OF EACH DISCUSSION ITEM I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A CONSENSUS WHICH IS THREE OR MORE WITH WHAT THE POLICY DECISION WOULD BE.
>> I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR THAT ACTUALLY.
THE SLIDE THAT HAS THE FOUR DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
IF YOU LOOK AT OPTION 1 IT SAYS ACCEPTED AS PROPOSED OR SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT.
I JUST WANTED TO ASK FIRE RESCUE IF THIS IS BEST AND FINAL IF WE NEED TO CONTINUE ON TO OPTION 2 WHERE WE PROVIDE DIRECTION ON EACH OF THESE POINTS.
>> I BELIEVE WE'RE NEAR THE END OF THIS AGREEMENT.
WE CERTAINLY WANT TO CONTINUE THOSE DISCUSSIONS, WE CERTAINLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THESE DISCUSSION POINTS AND WORK THIS OUT WITH THE COUNCIL WHEREVER WE CAN.
BUT I BELIEVE WE ARE NEAR THE END IN TERMS OF OUR NEGOTIATIONS, IN TERMS OF COST.
I CERTAINLY WANT TO HEAR THE FEEDBACK AND I CERTAINLY WANT TO CONTINUE THOSE DISCUSSIONS BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. SORRY, PLEASE BEGIN WITH THE EIGHT OR NINE. I FORGET HOW MANY.
>> YOU WANTED TO SEE SLIDE 9, YOU SAY?
>> THE FIRST ONE. FIRST POLICY DECISION. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THEY'RE NOT NUMBERED. I FORGET HOW MANY.
>> I ASKED IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS THEY WANT TO ASK ABOUT THIS OF EITHER STAFF OR THE COUNTY, ANY?
>> JUST I GUESS, ON THE MSTU, WE'RE REQUIRED BY THE STATE TO RENEW THE MSTU EVERY FIVE YEARS, CORRECT? OR CAN WE CHANGE THAT?
>> WE CAN CHANGE IT. THE ONE WE'RE CURRENTLY UNDER WAS FOR A 10-YEAR TERM.
THE ONLY REASON IT WAS FOR FIVE YEARS IS BECAUSE THAT WAS THE AGREEMENT WE HAD IN HAND AT THAT TIME.
IF THE COUNCIL SO WISHES, WE CAN COME BACK AND WE CAN AMEND THE ORDINANCE TO BE 10 YEARS IF WE WANTED TO DO THAT.
>> I GUESS, I HAD UNDERSTOOD THAT IT WAS A STATE THING THAT WE HAD TO RENEW EVERY 3,5.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE?
>> I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. IT SEEMS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD TO ME.
I WOULD PREFER A LONGER-TERM AGREEMENT, A 10-YEAR AGREEMENT.
INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO THROUGH THIS EVERY FEW YEARS, I THINK IT'S BETTER ADMINISTRATIVELY, SO I'M PERFECTLY HAPPY WITH 10.
I'D BE HAPPY WITH 10 AND A FIVE-YEAR RENEWAL, HOWEVER, YOU WANT TO DO IT.
BUT I THINK AT LEAST A 10-YEAR TERM, I THINK FIVE IS TOO SHORT.
>> WELL, I THINK THAT WHEN WE KICKED THIS OFF WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT NUMBER 1, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE COLLABORATIVE CONVERSATIONS; NUMBER 2 THAT WE WERE GOING TO AND I BELIEVE I CERTAINLY HAD THOSE WITH THE CHIEF AND THE ASSISTANT COUNTY ADMINISTRATIVE IN MY ONE-ON-ONE WITH THE INTENT TO GET MUTUAL UNDERSTANDINGS ABOUT VALID COSTS.
AT THAT TIME, I THOUGHT WE WERE LOOKING AT SOME MINOR CHANGES TO THE AGREEMENT TO REFLECT THOSE AREAS THAT WE MUTUALLY AGREED NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED.
I HAD SUGGESTED THAT THAT WAS FOR 10 YEAR GIVEN WE WERE GOING TO USE THE TRIED-AND-TRUED CONTRACT THAT WE USE FOR TWO DECADES.
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BUT THIS ONE, AS I'M SEEING, TO ME IS SO RADICALLY DIFFERENT.I BELIEVE, A FIVE-YEAR IS MORE APPROPRIATE SO WE CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS OUT.
>> ISN'T THAT REALLY A COMMENT THAT GOES TO THE POINT ON DIFFERENT PAGE IN TERMS OF WHAT'S INCLUDED, SO WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT THAT FIRST BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT THE TERM MAYBE.
>> WELL, NO, I'M JUST SAYING THAT THERE'S ENOUGH WE CAN GO THROUGH THEM.
THAT'S MY POSITION ON THIS THING HERE.
IT'S RADICALLY DIFFERENT THAT I BELIEVE A FIVE-YEAR CONTRACT IS MORE APPROPRIATE.
WE'VE HEARD, YOU HAVE 10 YEARS MINUS FOR FIVE.
LET ME HEAR FROM THE REST OF THE COUNCIL.
>> SCOTT, WOULD YOU KNOW OFF-HAND ANY FROM YEAR 1-5, THE ESCALATION OF COSTS BETWEEN A 10-YEAR AGREEMENT TO A FIVE-YEAR AGREEMENT?
>> BASED ON THE CURRENT PROPOSAL, WHAT WE'RE SEEING AS FAR AS THE CHART THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED BY CHIEF KENNEDY OVER THE 10-YEAR TERM, AS I STATED EARLIER, IT WILL GO FROM THE 25.8 MILLION THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY UNDER UP TO APPROXIMATELY $44 MILLION BASED ON THE CHART THAT WE HAVE IN HAND.
SO OVER THE FIVE-YEAR PERIOD, PROBABLY SOMEWHERE IN THE REALM OF 30, $32,000,000 OPTION OVER THE FIVE-YEAR, BASED ON THE CURRENT PROPOSAL.
>> IS THERE ANY DIFFERENCE IN INCREASES BETWEEN THE FIVE OR IT'S THE SAME PROJECTION OF INCREASES YEAR TO YEAR?
>> IT WILL INCREASE BASED ON THE BUDGETARY NEEDS OF THE COUNTY THAT IS SET BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSION.
THEY TAKE THAT BUDGETARY AMOUNT AND THEN THEY APPLY IT TO OUR MILLAGE BASED ON THE TAXABLE VALUES OF THE TOWN.
THEN THAT WILL DICTATE THE MILLAGE WHICH TRANSLATES TO WHAT THE RESIDENTS WILL BE CHARGED.
>> WELL, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE WANT TO HAVE A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS IN A VACUUM HERE, DO YOU WANT FIVE YEARS OR 10 YEARS? BUT THEN YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE COSTS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE CONTRACT AND THAT'S A DIFFERENT SLIDE TO ME.
>> UNDERSTAND. MAYBE THAT WE HAVE TO COME BACK ON SOME, BUT I WANT TO AT LEAST SEE IF WE CAN TRY TO STICK TO IT, AND GRANTED WHEN WE GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM, WE MAY CIRCLE BACK.
I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SOME PROGRESS HERE AS FAR AS EACH ITEM, AND THEN WE CAN CIRCLE BACK.
>> I KNOW IT'S IMPORTANT TO STAFF FOR EACH OF US TO GET ON THE RECORD HERE AND SO I HAVEN'T SPOKEN YET, BUT FOR THE ITEM, I AGREE IF I'M LOOKING AT JUST THE TIME, THIS ISN'T SOMETHING I WANT TO DO EVERY FIVE YEARS.
IT SEEMS TO HAVE TAKEN ALL THE OXYGEN THE ROOM FOR THE TOWN, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT COMPLETELY.
>> OBVIOUSLY, I WILL GO WITH 10 WITH A FIVE-YEAR RENEWAL.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THE ORDINANCE CHANGE FOR THE MSTU TO MATCH THAT TO MAKE IT MORE CONSISTENT BECAUSE I WOULD GUESS THAT THE AMOUNT OF TIME AND MONEY THAT WE SPENT NEGOTIATING THIS IS PROBABLY PRETTY HIGH TOO.
>> IF THAT'S THE WISH OF THE COUNCIL, WHEN WE BRING BACK THE ACTUAL AGREEMENT FOR ADOPTION, WE WOULD MOST LIKELY BRING THAT BACK TO MIMIC THE TIMEFRAMES ARE THE SAME IN BOTH DOCUMENTS.
>> I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, IT'S FOR YOU GUYS HAVE TO REDO THIS EVERY FIVE YEARS.
TO ME, IT'S MORE OF A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY THAN ANYTHING.
>> WE HAD AT LEAST THREE THAT WANTED 10.
I'M NOT SURE IF I HEARD YOUR POSITION.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT 10.
>> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TOTAL PROGRAM COSTS, TALKING ABOUT THE COST METHODOLOGY.
JUST TO REMIND THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, STAFF WAS ACCEPTABLE OF THE ADDITIONAL COSTS FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FROM A CAP OF 200,000-400,000 AND AS IN CHIEF KENNEDY'S PRESENTATION TALKING ABOUT THE MOVE-UP COST.
THERE WILL ALSO BE ADDITIONAL CREDITS FOR THAT [NOISE] IF WE HAVE TO MOVE PERSONNEL OUTSIDE OF JUPITER AS WELL, SO THERE'S THOSE COSTS THAT WILL BE CREDITED.
NEW STATION CONSTRUCTION OF [INAUDIBLE].
THEN ANY UNFORESEEN TYPE ITEMS THAT WOULD COME UP.
ONE THING TO REMEMBER TOO, IN RELATION TO UNFORESEEN ITEMS THAT COME UP, JUST REMEMBER WHEN THE MSTU IS SET, IN FACT, WE'RE GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS RIGHT NOW.
MIKE AND MY COUNTERPART OVER FIRE, THEY'RE DOING THEIR BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR.
THEY SET THE BUDGET, THEN THEY SET THE MILLAGE THAT'LL BE CHARGED.
IN FACT, MANAGER KITZEROW WILL GET A LETTER FROM CHIEF KENNEDY LETTING HIM KNOW WHAT THE MILLAGE IS GOING TO BE FOR NEXT YEAR.
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THAT WILL BE THE AMOUNT OF TAXES THAT ARE COLLECTED FROM THE RESIDENTS THAT WILL BE USED TO FUND THE JUPITER FIRE.IF THERE'S AN UNFORESEEN EXPENSE THAT COMES UP, THEY WILL HAVE TO ROLL THAT INTO THE NEXT YEAR.
THEY'LL HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR THE NEXT TAX YEAR.
JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT.
SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID WITH THE PERSONNEL AMENDMENT, WE ROLL THAT COSTS.
BUT THEN WE ROLL THOSE COSTS GOING INTO THE NEXT TAX YEAR.
THEY MADE A PART OF THEIR BUDGETARY PROPOSAL AND THEN THE RESIDENTS ULTIMATELY PAID FOR THOSE COSTS ROLLING FORWARD.
THE REAL QUESTION IS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO KEEP THE MOVE-UP COSTS, THE NEW STATION CONSIDERATIONS, AND ALSO UNFORESEEN EXPENSES?
>> I HAVE A QUESTION. SCOTT, MOVE-UP COSTS TEND TO BALANCE OUT, TYPICALLY THAT'S COMING UP.
FROM THE NUMBERS THAT I'VE SEEN, THEY DO NOT BECAUSE IT'S BASED ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONNEL.
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, CHIEF WHEN I SAY THIS, I KNOW THROUGH OUR DISCUSSION IT'S BASED ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONNEL THAT ARE MOVED OUTSIDE OF THE AREA, AND THEN ALSO MOVED INTO BACKFILL OF THE STATIONS, SO THOSE COSTS CAN VARY.
IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT THAT IS, BASED ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONNEL AND EQUIPMENT.
>> I THINK THIS ONE CAPTURES THE DISCUSSION ITEMS THAT WERE HAD TRYING TO COLLABORATIVELY UNDERSTAND, BUT I'LL JUST INDICATE THAT, THE EXAMPLE WE HEARD THAT THE ALLOWANCE WASN'T ENOUGH, WE UPDATE COUNTY FIRE RESCUE.
WE AGREE WITH THAT NUMBER, I KNOW THAT MYSELF, AND BECAUSE WE ALL ADMIT INDIVIDUALLY, SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING HERE, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'RE HEARING WHAT EACH ONE OF US MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE SAID.
BUT A NEW STATION CONSTRUCTION, THE FACT THAT IT'S BEING ADDED INTO THE CONTRACT GAVE ME PAUSE BECAUSE WE HAD BUILD-OUT.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT HAD BEEN REPRESENTED TO ME THAT G THERE MAY BE ANOTHER STATION THAT IN MY MIND WOULD BE SERVING UNINCORPORATED AREA.
YEAH, IT COULD ALSO SERVE THE TOWN, BUT I SEE US AT BUILD-OUT.
I SAID WE COULD WORK OUT MAYBE SOME LANGUAGE ON THAT.
BUT THAT WAS A CONCERN TO ME IN CONVERSATION, AND I REPRESENTED THAT.
THEN NON BUDGETED SITUATIONS, WHAT GIVES ME PAUSES, THE AMOUNT IN ANY GIVEN YEAR IS SOLELY AT PALM BEACH COUNTY DISCRETION.
TO ME, THAT GOES THROUGH ALL OF THEM.
TO ME, IT REPRESENTS SUCH A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE FROM A LONG HISTORY OF DECADES OF COLLABORATIVELY WORKING ABOUT CHANGES IN COSTS.
IT'S ONE THING TO IDENTIFY ITEMS, BUT THEN THE TICKET DEPARTURE FROM THAT COLLABORATIVE APPROACH, AND THIS AS ALMOST EVERY ONE OF THESE SOLELY AT PALM BEACH COUNTY'S PERCENT DISCRETION, THAT'S TANTAMOUNT TO A BLANK CHECK.
THAT'S THE ISSUE I HAVE WITH THIS.
FOR ME WE NEED TO HAVE FURTHER CONVERSATION, I HOPE THAT FIRE RESCUE UNDERSTANDS.
I THINK THAT'S A LEGITIMATE CONCERN IF YOU WERE TO PUT YOURSELF IN OUR SHOES WHERE WE'VE COLLABORATIVELY AS SCOTT AS INDICATED, WE WORKED IT OUT.
WE HAVE A HISTORY OF DOING THAT.
LANGUAGE JUST COMES ACROSS TO ME LIKE BLANK CHECK.
>> I WAS HERE IN 2018 AND I ASSUME WHEN WE WERE LOBBY BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND SOME OF THE MEMBERS FROM UPPING THE NUMBER OF FIREFIGHTERS AT INDIVIDUAL STATIONS AND I HAD INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS WITH SOME OF THE REPS FROM FIRING, WE WENT BACK-AND-FORTH AND WE GOT IT DONE, IT WORKED OUT GREAT, AND WE FELT LIKE WE INVOLVE IN THE PROCESS.
AT THIS POINT TO HAVE THAT REMOVED, AND LIKE THE MAYOR SAYS IT'S LIKE A BLANK CHECK.
I'M REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE WITHOUT HAVING THAT INPUT INTO ANY FUTURE DECISIONS IN SUCH, IT COULD BE A MASSIVE BUDGETARY SITUATION.
I'M NOT SURE WHY WE'RE BEING LEFT OUT OF THAT PROCESS.
>> I SEE IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
WE HAD ASKED FOR A FULL COST METHODOLOGY, AND TO THAT YOU HAVE TO INCLUDE EVERYTHING THAT WOULD COME UP.
THE COUNTY HAS COME BACK IN AND ADDED THESE IN.
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THE MOVE UPS OCCUR BECAUSE OF CIRCUMSTANCES, BECAUSE THERE ARE BAD ACCIDENTS.I MEAN, IT'S NOT SOMETHING ANYONE PLANS.
IT'S CIRCUMSTANCES THAT CAUSE THAT AND WE PAY FOR THE DIRECT COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
I DON'T SEE HOW THAT IS SOMETHING ASSOCIATED WITH A BLANK CHECK.
THE NEW STATION CONSTRUCTION WE WOULD PAY FOR, IN MY UNDERSTANDING IS A PERCENTAGE OF WHAT WE WOULD USE, THERE STILL BE IN DIRECT COSTS.
WE ALSO HAVE THE CAP ON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
I SEE THAT ALSO AS A WAY TO PUT GUARDRAILS ON THAT.
THEN THE UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCES IS IF WE WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS COVERED, WE'RE PULLING OUR WEIGHT.
THIS IS ANOTHER CATEGORY TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT HAPPENS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO DO IT.
OTHERWISE, IF YOU DON'T PUT IT IN, THEN HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE PAID FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE USED WHEN SOMETHING COMES UP THAT WE WEREN'T ANTICIPATING.
>> I DON'T HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH THE MOVE UP, IT'S A STANDARD DAILY OPERATION, BUT OPEN-ENDED STATION CONSTRUCTION WITH THE MAYOR POINT OUT WE'RE BUILD-OUT.
I DON'T SEE OUR POPULATION EXPANDING MUCH MORE THAN IT IS AT THIS POINT HERE.
IF THAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, I WOULD DEFINITELY WANT TO BE IN THE CONVERSATION.
THAT'S ALL, I'M JUST NOT SURE WHY THIS CONTROL ISSUE HERE.
THAT HAS A LITTLE EXTREME IN MY POINT, BUT I THOUGHT IT WORKED OUT WELL IN THE PAST, BUT ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OPINIONS ON THAT?
>> MR. MAYOR, IF I CAN INTERJECT ON SOMETHING AS WELL.
ONE THING, I MEAN, THINK BACK WHEN WE HAVE A HURRICANE HERE IN THE TOWN, OR ANY OTHER UNFORESEEN EVENTS THAT OCCURS, WE INCUR ADDITIONAL COST FROM AN OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT, SPECIFICALLY WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT, PUBLIC SAFETY.
BUT WHAT WE DO HAVE IS AT THE END OF THE YEAR IS IF WE NEED TO, WE GO INTO OUR RESERVES.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE RESERVES FOR.
CURRENTLY IN THE MSTU, HAS $1.2 MILLION IN RESERVES.
THOSE FUNDS COULD BE USED FOR THOSE UNFORESEEN ITEMS THAT ARE COMING UP THAT WOULD BE AT OUR DISCRETION ROLLING FORWARD.
THAT WILL BE A DISCUSSION THAT WOULD BE HAD AT THE BUDGET TIME, THAT IF THOSE UNFORESEEN COST OCCURRED, THAT YOU CAN USE THOSE FUND BALANCE DOLLARS TO HELP OFFSET THOSE COSTS.
THOSE FUNDS ARE CURRENTLY AVAILABLE, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE AWARE OF THAT.
THAT'S USUALLY WHAT YOU USE THOSE RESERVE FUNDS FOR.
>> IN MY ONE ON TWO MEETINGS, WE DISCUSSED THAT, AND MAYBE WHEN I MET WITH STAFF AS WELL, THAT THE FACT THAT THEN IN THE CASE OF HURRICANE OFTENTIMES THAT'S EVENTUALLY A REIMBURSABLE, ALTHOUGH I KNOW THERE'S A TIME LINE, SO YES, AS I UNDERSTAND THAT, THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THAT, THAT WE HAVE THE RESERVE BALANCE TO USE.
THEN THAT WOULD BE HOPEFULLY SOMETHING THAT'S A REIMBURSABLE ITEM, JUST LIKE IT WORKS WITH THE TOWER.
>> IT DOES TAKE A WHILE TO BE REIMBURSED.
I WILL TELL YOU THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS VERY SLOW IN THAT PROCESS.
IN THE TOWN, WE'VE BEEN VERY FORTUNATE WHENEVER WE'VE APPLIED FOR FEMA REIMBURSEMENT WITHIN POSSIBLY A THREE YEAR WINDOW WE'RE RECEIVING OUR MONEY.
OUR AGENCY IS LARGE AS PALM BEACH COUNTY, IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
THOSE LIABILITIES WILL SIT ON THEIR BOOKS A LOT LONGER. I DO GET THAT.
BUT THERE ARE FUNDS AVAILABLE IN THE RESERVES CURRENTLY A TUNE OF $1.2 MILLION AT THE END OF FY22 THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO HELP DURING THOSE INSTANCES, AND THAT WILL BE AT THE DISCRETION DURING THAT BUDGETARY PERIOD TO BE ABLE TO SEEK THOSE REIMBURSEMENTS.
>> I HAVE TO SAY THIS HAS BEEN THE HARDEST ONE FOR ME.
IF YOU LOOK IN THE 2013 CONTRACT, THE LANGUAGE SAYS, UNDER STATION LOCATIONS THAT THERE'LL BE CONSULTATION WITH THE TOWN AND THE NEW CONTRACT IT SAYS THAT WILL BE NOTIFIED OR THAT THERE'S NO DISK.
IT DOES SUGGEST A LOWER LEVEL OF LOCAL CONTROL OR ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICE.
IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT LEVEL OF SERVICE, IT'S HARD TO GET PAST THAT A LITTLE BIT.
THE LARGEST ONE FOR ME OF ALL FOUR WAS THE NON BUDGETED AMOUNTS.
THIS WAS HELPFUL. IT WAS ACTUALLY VERY HELPFUL TO TALK TO PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE.
THEY'VE BEEN NOTHING BUT HELPFUL AND WILLING TO MEET AND ANSWER QUESTIONS.
I'VE CERTAINLY HAD A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS, BUT IT'S FOR NON REIMBURSED AMOUNTS.
EMERGENCIES WOULD BE REIMBURSED WOULD NOT BE INCLUDED IN THIS SECTION.
THIS IS FOR AMOUNTS THAT ARE NOT TO BE REIMBURSED.
I ASKED FOR AN EXAMPLE BECAUSE EXAMPLES ARE GOING TO HELP ME UNDERSTAND, THIS ARE NO EXAMPLES GIVEN IN THE TEXT IN THAT SECOND EXHIBIT B.
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STATION 11 IS THE STATION WITH THE BRIDGE CLOSURE.MY THOUGHT IS, OKAY, WE'VE HAD THIS CONTRACT IN PLACE FOR SOMETHING LIKE 10 YEARS AND IT'S NOT VERY OFTEN THAT SOMETHING LIKE A BRIDGE CLOSURE HAPPENS.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY BRIDGES.
[LAUGHTER] THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE REPLACED VERY OFTEN.
SOMETHING LIKE THIS ISN'T GOING TO COME UP VERY OFTEN.
GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF TIME WE'VE KNOWN IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THAT WE'VE BEEN PLANNING FOR THE BRIDGE CLOSURE, I WOULD EXPECT THAT WE WOULD HAVE SOME PRE-APPROVAL OR SOME INPUT.
THERE'S LOCAL CONTROL, BUT THERE'S ALSO EVEN LOCAL INPUT THAT WE DON'T HAVE IN THAT THAT CAN BE A LITTLE CONCERNING.
THE FACT THAT THERE'S NO CAP ON IT, THAT IT'S NON BUDGETED AMOUNTS BUT NOT UP TO THIS AMOUNT, WE SEE THE METHODOLOGY FOR THE INCREASE IN MAXIMUM ALLOWANCE FROM 200,000-400,000, GUARDRAILS THERE, AND YOU SEE GUARDRAILS ELSEWHERE IN THIS CONTRACT, BUT THERE ARE NONE ON THIS AMOUNT.
IT JUST STRIKES ME AS THIS HOLE IN THE CONTRACT.
WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT PROJECTING OUTWARDS AND COSTS, WHICH IS ANOTHER ITEM WE'LL TALK ABOUT, THERE'S SO MANY VARIABLES THAN THAT.
HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER WILL END UP BEING? I DON'T KNOW.
WE NEED TO DEFINE THE TERMS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE COST PLUS METHODOLOGY.
THAT WOULD BE OUR COST METHODOLOGY BUT THEN PLUS, BUT I WOULD EXPECT THAT PLUS WOULD HAVE GUARDRAILS ON IT AND NOT BE SO OPEN-ENDED.
ONE OPTION IF NOT TO DO THIS IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF THESE CONTRACTS IS THAT, WITH WRITTEN CONSENT OF BOTH PARTIES IN THE AMENDMENT, YOU CAN AMEND ANY PART OF THE CONTRACT, SO WHY NOT AMEND JUST NOT ONLY THE AMOUNT BUT THE LINE ITEM.
YOU COULD ADD THE LINE ITEM AT THAT POINT IN TIME SHOULD ABRIDGE COME TO BE REPLACED, WHICH AGAIN, IS NOT A COMMON OCCURRENCE.
I ASKED HOW MANY TIMES WE'VE AMENDED OUR INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT.
I HEARD SOMETHING LIKE THREE TIMES.
>> THIS CURRENT AGREEMENT, YES.
>> THE CURRENT AGREEMENT. THREE TIMES I DID WATCH ONE OF THEM FROM 2016 AND I WATCHED THE COUNCIL MEMBERS SAY, OKAY, LET'S ABSOLUTELY DO THIS, AND WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU LIKE? WOULD YOU LIKE ANOTHER STAFF MEMBER ON THE STATION? I HEARD THAT ON THE RECORD.
WE WERE CERTAINLY AMENDABLE TO THAT AT THE TIME OR THAT COUNCIL WAS.
WE WERE SUPPORTIVE AND WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF PUBLIC SAFETY, BUT WE DO WANT GUARDRAILS.
THAT'S A DUTY WE HAVE TO OUR RESIDENTS AND TO HAVE IT SO OPEN-ENDED, THIS IS HARD FOR ME TO GET BY.
I WOULD SUGGEST IF IT WERE POSSIBLE TO LOOK AT THE IDEA OF WHEN WE COME FORWARD WITH AN AMENDMENT TO THE ILA POTENTIALLY ADDING THE LINE ITEM AT THE TIME THAT IT COMES TO US AND JUST ALLOW THAT INPUT, IT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO HOLD IT UP FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN WE HAVEN'T.
BUT WE WANT IF NOT LOCAL CONTROL, AT LEAST LOCAL INPUT.
IT'S CLEAR THAT IT'S A CHANGE FROM THE 2013 CONTRACT.
>> YEAH. I MEAN, AS FAR AS THEY MOVE UP GOES, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CHANGES EVERY SINGLE DAY.
YOU COULD GO WEEKS WITHOUT MOVING INTO JUPITER.
YOU CAN HAVE A DAY WHERE, MULTIPLE UNIT PER EVENT AND THERE'S A DAY WHERE MULTIPLE UNITS MOVE OUT, DEPENDING ON WHAT'S GOING ON.
BUT YOU HAVE TWO STATIONS THAT RESPOND TO MANY UNINCORPORATED POCKETS.
ACTUALLY EVEN STATION 18 WOULD AS WELL JONATHAN'S LANDING, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THOSE COULD END UP WASHING AT THE END OF THE YEAR, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN PREDICT.
>> IT IS WHAT IT IS AS FAR AS THEY MOVE UP GOES.
IF YOU HAVE A NEW STATION THAT'S GOING TO BE SERVICING THE TOWN OF JUPITER, MAYBE IT'S NOT LOCATED IN THE TOWN OF JUPITER, BUT IF IT'S GOING TO BE SERVICING AN UNINCORPORATED AREA THAT ANOTHER STATION WOULD TYPICALLY SERVICE IN THEIR SERVICE AREA, WHY WOULDN'T WE PAY FOR A PORTION OF THAT? BECAUSE THAT STATION IS NOW AVAILABLE TO SERVICE THE RESIDENTS OF JUPITER AS WELL.
I WOULD EXPECT TO BE PAYING FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AS FAR AS THE NON BUDGETED SITUATIONS GO, I HEAR EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING AS FAR AS GUARDRAILS AND STUFF GOES.
I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE COUNTY CAN PERHAPS PUT IN THERE, IF ANYTHING, BUT THAT IS A VERY RARE THING TO HAPPEN.
THE STATION 11 THING, THE BEST PART ABOUT IT TO ME IS THEY JUST DID IT.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO COME TO US AND SAY, HEY, CAN WE DO THIS? THEY JUST DID IT. THEY RECOGNIZED THE NEED.
THEY KNEW THE NEED OF THE COMMUNITY AND THEY JUST WENT AHEAD AND DID IT, AND FOR THEM TO RECOGNIZE AND GET CREATIVE AS TO WHERE WE'RE GOING TO PUT THIS REACH OUT TO THE BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT AND PUT OUR PERSONNEL INTO A HOUSE THERE TO SERVICE THAT AREA,
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TO ME, THAT MAKES OUR JOB EASIER BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT.I HIGHLY DOUBT THEY'RE JUST GOING TO BE THROWING THESE THINGS AT US TO JUST DO WHATEVER THEY WANT.
THEY'RE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND I DOUBT THEY'D WANT TO HAVE ANYBODY BREATHING DOWN THEIR NECK ABOUT IRRESPONSIBLE SPENDING.
I'M FINE WITH IT, BUT I'M OPEN TO SEE WHAT THE REST OF THE REST OF THE COUNCIL HAS TO SAY.
TO ME, IT'S A RARE OCCURRENCE, UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCES.
IT'S TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY PART IS COVERED IN THE COST METHODOLOGY, BUT IF THERE'S ANOTHER WAY TO DO IT PRIOR TO GUARD RAIL, I'M CERTAINLY OPEN TO IT, BUT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, BUT CERTAINLY NO OBJECTION TO AMENDING IT IF THAT MAKE OTHERS FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE.
>> I THINK WHAT STRUCK ME WAS HOW LITTLE I KNEW ABOUT STATION 11 OR I THINK SOME SOME PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS CALLED STATION 11 OR WHAT IT WAS.
I UNDERSTOOD THAT SOME UNDERSTOOD THAT, RESOURCES WERE BEING MOVED AROUND TO ADDRESS THE BRIDGE.
CERTAINLY, BUT JUST UNDERSTANDING THE DETAILS TO IT AND IN MY RESEARCH FROM MY UNDERSTANDING IS ALSO THAT WHEN THE TOWN MEETS AND HOUSE DIRECTORS MEET, THAT THE FIRE PERSONNEL IS NOT ALWAYS THERE OR NOT THERE.
THAT COORDINATION ACROSS DEPARTMENTS OR ACROSS DIRECTORS, OR JUST THE INFORMATION.
I WAS SURPRISED TO LEARN THAT WE AREN'T LEARNING ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE, WHAT THE RESPONSES.
THERE HASN'T BEEN AS MUCH INFORMATION.
THERE'S BEEN A LAYER OF SEPARATION.
THEY'RE LESS SO RECENTLY BECAUSE OF THESE NEGOTIATIONS.
BUT ON THE WHOLE, THERE HAS BEEN A LAYER OF SEPARATION.
THAT'S CONCERNING AND WE WANT TO ADDRESS BECAUSE THAT LEADS TO, GETTING OUT OF SILOS AND COMING UP WITH CREATIVE SOLUTIONS FOR THE TOWN OF JUPITER AS WELL.
WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE WAY, BUT WE DO WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE TOWN RELATED TO FIRE SERVICE RESCUE WHEN THE BRIDGE CLOSES. THAT'S ALL.
>> JUST TO ADD. JUST IN CLOSING MY COMMENTS ON THIS ONE.
THE CONVERSATION AGAIN THAT I HEARD WITH REGARD TO THE NEW STATION IS, I UNDERSTOOD THAT MORE IN THE CONTEXT OF THE GLOBAL COUNTYWIDE SITUATION.
HERE WE SIT. WE'RE UP AGAINST THE ATLANTIC OCEAN.
TO THE NORTH. WE HAVE MUNICIPALS FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT.
TO THE SOUTH, WE HAVE A MUNICIPAL FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT.
THE FARMS HAS A STATION AND HAVE SIGNIFICANT LIMITATION, SO I DIDN'T REALLY SEE THAT OPPORTUNITY OTHER THAN WHAT WAS EXPLAINED.
WELL, IF WE HAVE SERVICE LEVEL ISSUE, IF WE HAVE A RESPONSE TIME ISSUES, I SAID WE WOULD WORK THAT OUT BECAUSE TO ME IT STILL DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ANTICIPATE THAT WE WOULD NEED ANY MORE STATIONS.
BUT THEN FURTHER, THE EXAMPLE ON STATION 11, QUITE FRANKLY, I THINK WITH THE EXISTING AGREEMENT TERMS, THAT COULD HAVE BEEN SOMETHING THAT CAME TO US.
THE FACT THAT IT WASN'T IS NOT A FAULT OF THE CONTRACT AS IT IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN.
THE COUNTY DIDN'T FIND RISK WHO DIDN'T COME TO US.
THE FACT THAT'S NOT A REASON TO NOW SAY, JIM, EVERYTHING HAS TO BE SOLELY PALM BEACH COUNTIES DISCRETION WHEN WE'VE GOT SUCH A TRACK RECORD OF HAVING COLLABORATED ON THAT.
AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO BE REDUNDANT ABOUT THAT.
I LIKE COUNCILOR SOUNDSTROM FROM YOUR USE OF THE WORD GUARDRAILS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I SEE LACKING ON THIS ITEM.
I BELIEVE I'M GOING TO SAY SOMETHING THEN I'LL OPEN UP FOR ANY FINAL, BUT I DO BELIEVE THERE SEEMS TO BE A CONSENSUS THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO NEGOTIATE AND REFINE THE LANGUAGE BASED ON EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN SAID HERE.
DO YOU NOT AGREE, SCOTT, YOU'VE GOT SOME DIRECTION HERE ON THIS ITEM?
>> I CAN ADD TO THAT WORD, PUSH COMES TO SHOVE.
WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE INVOLVED IN SOME OF THE DECISION-MAKING AND NOT JUST HAVE EVERYTHING HANDED TO US.
I JUST SEE THE RELATIONSHIP OF THAT ASPECT OF ERODING AND I'M A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH IT.
>> I SEE IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE WE ARE PARTICIPATING IN A SYSTEM.
WE'RE NOT PURCHASING A STANDALONE SERVICE.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT THAT WAY AND UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN YOU'RE PARTICIPATING IN AN OVERALL SERVICE AND PYTHON PACKAGE OF SERVICES, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE CONTROL BECAUSE YOU'RE RELYING ON WHAT THE VENDOR IS PROVIDING YOU.
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MAYBE THERE'S SOME ASPECTS WHERE GOOD COMMUNICATION WOULD BE IMPORTANT BACK-AND-FORTH, SO NOBODY IS SURPRISED WHEN THINGS HAPPEN, BUT AT SOME POINT YOU'RE GOING TO RUN UP AGAINST THE FACT THAT WE'RE PARTICIPATING IN A SYSTEM THAT SOMETHING ELSE IS RUNNING AND WE'RE NOT RUNNING IT.AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO GET COMFORTABLE WITH THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE CONTROL OVER EVERYTHING.
BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE SURPRISED ABOUT ANYTHING AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE NOTIFIED AND UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING LIKE YOU'RE SAYING IN TERMS OF REGULAR COMMUNICATION, WHAT'S GOING ON AND KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT.
BUT TO ME, THAT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM THE QUESTION OF CONTROL BECAUSE WE'RE BUYING INTO THE SYSTEM.
IT'S NOT OUR SYSTEM, WE'RE PARTICIPATING WITH OTHER PEOPLE.
OUR CONTROL IS GOING TO JUST BY THE NATURE OF THE BEAST, IT'S GOING TO BE LIMITED.
>> I AGREE WITH THAT TO SOME EXTENT.
I DO RESPECT EXPERT OPINION AND THE FIRE CHIEF AT THE END OF THE DAY HAS TO BE THE FIRE CHIEF AND RESPOND.
HE'S GOING TO HAVE DATA THAT WE DON'T HAVE.
THIS TOWN LIKES TO KNOW AND SHARE AS MUCH DATA AS POSSIBLE WITH THE RESIDENTS.
WHAT STRUCK ME WAS WHAT THE MAYOR WAS SAYING, WHICH IS UNDER THE CURRENT CONTRACT, HOW DID STATION 11 COME TO BE WITHOUT APPROACHING TO AMEND THE ILA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE THERE IS A PROVISION, THE CURRENT AGREEMENT ALLOWS FOR THAT.
MY IMPRESSION OVERALL IS AND I ASKED WEST [LAUGHTER] PALM BEACH COUNTY, THIS IS LIKE WHAT IS WRONG WITH OUR AMENDMENT PROCESS WHERE WE WANT TO AVOID IT SO MUCH.
BASED ON THIS, WE'VE ONLY AMENDED IT A COUPLE OF TIMES RELATED TO STAFF AND WHAT I SAW ON RECORD WAS THAT WE WERE SUPPORTIVE OF IT.
I DO WANT A GUARD RAIL IF POSSIBLE.
I HAD SPOKEN AS WELL WITH THE COUNTY ABOUT THIS ITEM.
I SAID THIS IS THE ONE THAT I'M GOING TO BRING UP, SO IT'S NO SURPRISE, BUT IF WE CAN GIVE THAT DIRECTION JUST TO GO BACK TO THE TABLE AND TRY TO SEE WHAT CAN BE DONE.
>> JUST REAL QUICK. ON THE STATION 11 THING, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE MISCONSTRUED THAT IT WASN'T BROUGHT TO US OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THE COUNTY HAS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND A LEVEL OF SERVICE AND A RESPONSE TIME THAT THEY HAVE TO ADHERE TO.
THAT'S WHERE STATION 11 CAME INTO PLAY BECAUSE OTHERWISE 18 NORMALLY WOULD BE THAT RESPONSE AREA.
THEY'D GO UP AND OVER THE BRIDGE.
BUT INSTEAD, THEY WOULD HAVE HAD TO COME ALL THE WAY AROUND AND THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO MEET THE SERVICE LEVEL THAT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO.
THAT'S A THING WHERE PALM BEACH COUNTY RECOGNIZED THE NEED AND HAD TO PUT THE STATION THERE TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO.
>> YES, AND THERE'S A LINK. THERE'S THE POLICY AND I GET, YOU WANT TO TRUST THE EXPERTS AND THEN THERE'S COST AND WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO OUR RESIDENTS ON COST AND THE TWO ARE RELATED.
THAT'S WHERE IT GETS TRICKY AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.
>> STAFFING LEVELS, THE CURRENT LEVEL OF STAFFING IS AT 20 PER STATION.
AGAIN, HANDLED THROUGH MUTUAL AGREEMENT OR AMENDMENT.
AS WE'VE JUST DISCUSSED IN 2018, WE WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
THE CHIEF HAS INDICATED AS YOU'VE HEARD, THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE COUNSELOR JUST ALLUDED TO THAT AS FAR AS REQUIRING OF STAFF AND RESPONSE TIMES, BUT PALM BEACH COUNTY IS WANTING TO MAKE THAT TO THEIR DISCRETION.
BASED ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, ALSO, THEY HAVE UNION AGREEMENTS THAT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO ADHERE TO IF THERE WAS ANY CHANGE IN SHIFTS OR ANY OF THOSE ITEMS STILL MEETING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REQUIREMENTS.
BUT THEN THE CHANGING OF SHIFTS MAY REQUIRE ADDITIONAL PEOPLE THAT AGAIN, SHOULD COME BACK BEFORE THE COUNCIL AS A POSSIBLE AMENDMENT ITEM.
BUT WE DO UNDERSTAND AT THE SAME TIME LISTENING TO THE COUNTY, THEY WANT TO MAKE IT ADHERE ACROSS THE COUNTY EQUALLY AND THE SAME STANDARD LEVEL OF SERVICE AND STANDARDS. WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT.
>> I'D LIKE TO ASK, AND THIS COULD BE AN ANSWER NOW IF THE COUNTY CAN OR GET BACK WITH US.
BUT WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS CHANGED IN THIS AREA FOR STAFFING? I ASK THAT BECAUSE, AGAIN, WE'VE WORKED AND WE'VE ADDRESSED STAFFING CHANGES, IN FACT, MORE THAN ONCE, TWICE THAT I KNOW OF SUCCESSFULLY.
THE ISSUE IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN EXISTED BEFORE, WE ADDRESSED IT BEFORE IT WENT TO CURRENT CONTRACT, AND I'M JUST WONDERING WHY THE TONE AND TENOR CONTINUES TO BE UNLIMITED AT PALM BEACH COUNTY'S DISCRETION? PLEASE UNDERSTAND IT CONJURES UP BLANK CHECK.
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>> I UNDERSTAND. THE WORDING SAYS UNLIMITED, I DO NOT SEE IT THAT WAY.
IT'S GOING TO BE BASED ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, I BELIEVE IT WAS 2019 THAT IT WAS UPDATED, AND IT WASN'T UPDATED FOR 20 YEARS BEFORE THAT, SO THAT MIGHT BE WHY WE'RE HERE.
>> I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF YOU COULD GET BACK WITH US, THE SCOPE OF THOSE CHANGES BECAUSE IF I CAN UNDERSTAND THEN HOW THAT AFFECTS STAFFING DIFFERENTLY THAN WHAT HAD BEFORE BECAUSE I'D IMAGINE YOU ALWAYS HAD SERVICE LEVELS IN THERE.
>> CERTAINLY, WE CAN GET THAT FOR YOU.
>> THE AMENDMENTS TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BECAUSE I WAS THE CHIEF WHEN THAT HAPPENED WAS ADDING THAT THIRD PERSON ON THE RESCUE, AND IF THERE WERE A STATION THAT HAD A STANDALONE SUPPRESSION UNIT, IT WOULD BE STAFFED WITH FOUR PERSONNEL RATHER THAN THREE.
AS THE CHIEF SAID, THERE HADN'T BEEN A MODIFICATION TO THAT DONE IN 20 YEARS.
I CAN'T IMPRESS UPON YOU ENOUGH, THERE'S NO DESIRE TO PUT RESOURCES HERE THAT AREN'T NEEDED.
I THINK OUR DISCUSSIONS TALKED ABOUT EVEN THE THOUGHT OF PUTTING A MARINE UNIT IN HERE WOULD NOT BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE, AND THAT'S SOMETHING CERTAINLY THAT COULD BE DONE JUST BECAUSE THE CONTRACT ALLOWS, THAT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN.
I THINK WE'VE SHOWN HISTORICALLY THAT WE'RE NOT THAT TYPE OF AN ORGANIZATION AND WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO CHANGE TODAY.
>> IF THAT'S THE CASE, SO WE'RE COMPLIANT, THE AGREEMENT IS READY AND A NUMBER OF STAFFING IS COMPLIANT WITH THE 2019 COMP PLAN?
>> IN 20 YEARS, IT HAPPENED ONE TIME AND WE ARE ALREADY COMPLIANT.
THAT'S WHY I'M JUST GETTING PUZZLED BY THE LANGUAGE CHANGE.
I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE SOME BETTER WORDING THAN THAT WHEN I'M HEARING.
IT DOESN'T HAPPEN OFTEN AND WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE AND WE'VE AGREED TO THOSE CHANGES BEFORE.
>> WELL, THE WAY I READ IT WAS THAT IT WAS A MINIMUM SO THAT NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENED, THERE WOULD CERTAINLY BE A CERTAIN FORCE, CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PERSONAL WE WOULD HAVE, AND IT WASN'T THE CAP.
YOU SAY YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO HAVE 20 AND SOMETHING HAPPENS, THEN YOU HAVE TO DO AN AMENDMENT TO ADD MORE.
IF YOU JUST SAY THAT AT MINIMUM 20, IT MEANS THAT THE CONTRACT ALLOWS FOR THE FLEXIBILITY TO ADD MORE PERSONNEL.
I DIDN'T READ IT AS A BLANK CHECK AND TO JUST ADD MORE STAFFING, I READ IT AS PROVIDING FLEXIBILITY IN THE DOCUMENT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE MORE PERSONNEL.
>> ALSO, I WOULD SAY THE 2013 CONTRACT, AND YOU ALMOST HAVE TO TAKE THE 2013 CONTRACT AND THIS ONE AND JUST GO LINE BY LINE.
FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC, THE PREVIOUS CONTRACT HAD JUST THE NUMBER LISTED TO MAINTAIN THIS NUMBER.
THE LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS IT'S NOW BEEN CHANGED TO A MINIMUM OF THAT NUMBER.
THERE'S A FLOOR, BUT NOT NECESSARILY A CEILING.
I DISAGREE WITH THE UNLIMITED CHARACTERIZATION AS WELL.
IT DOES SAY, AND THERE IS THE GUARD RAIL OF IT SHALL BE CONSISTENT WITH STAFFING LEVELS ACROSS THE PALM BEACH COUNTY AREA.
AGAIN, THE THEME ACROSS THE DOCUMENT, I WOULD SAY, IS IN 2013, WE DID HAVE MORE LOCAL CONTROL, WE DID HAVE MORE INPUT, THERE'S MORE OF THE AMENDMENT PROCESS.
NOW, THIS WOULD REDUCE THE POSSIBILITY OF AMENDMENT COMING BEFORE US AND CHANGES BEING MADE WITHOUT OUR INPUT NECESSARILY.
BUT THAT GUARD RAIL GIVES ME COMFORT AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING I'M TOO CONCERNED WITH RIGHT NOW.
>> UNLIMITED IN THIS DOCUMENT IS JUST A POOR CHOICE OF WORDS, GIVES EVERYBODY [INAUDIBLE].
WHEN THEY SAY COUNTYWIDE STANDARDS, [NOISE] WHAT IF THEY ELEVATE IT AND SOMEBODY COME UP WITH A REASON WHY TO ELEVATE STAFFING COUNTYWIDE AND THEY WEREN'T STUCK IN THAT SITUATION.
IT'S JUST A LITTLE TOO OPEN-ENDED FOR ME.
THERE ARE TWO BUSINESS MODELS.
THIS IS A COUNTY BUSINESS MODEL AND ITS ACROSS THE COUNTY AREA, BUT THAT DECISION IS MADE WITH THE BCC.
>> AS FAR AS INCREASING STAFFING LEVELS, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO INSANELY INCREASE THE STAFFING LEVELS.
YOU ONLY HAVE SO MANY BUNKS IN A STATION, YOU'D HAVE THE BUILD-OUT OF STATION TO ADD MORE PERSONNEL.
YOU CAN'T ADD MORE SEATS TO A FIRE ENGINE OR A FIRE RESCUE TRUCK TO THE RESCUE TRUCKS.
AT THE MOST, YOU COULD MAYBE PUT ONE PERSON, BUT MOST OF THE STATIONS ARE FULLY STOCKED AS IT IS, AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LET SOMEONE SLEEPS IN THE LIVING ROOM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY POSSIBLE.
LIKE I SAID, IT'S ONLY HAPPENED ONCE IN 20 YEARS.
TO ME, IT'S CLEANER LANGUAGE IN THE CONTRACT THAN ANYTHING, AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL POINTS TO IN MY MIND.
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THERE IS A MINIMUM LEVEL AND IF THE COUNTY NEEDS TO ADJUST IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM DEPENDING ON THE SITUATION THAT'S GOING ON, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO SO.BUT LIKE I SAID, YOU'RE NOT JUST GOING TO BE THROWING A BUNCH OF PERSONNEL ON TRUCKS JUST BECAUSE THERE'S NO ROOM FOR THEM.
TO ME, I'M NOT TOO CONCERNED ABOUT IT AT ALL.
>> I THINK WHAT WAS EXPLAINED IN THE ONE-ON-ONE I HAD, AND PERHAPS TONIGHT, WAS THAT AS THE COUNTY OPTS TO CHANGE STAFFING LEVEL SOMEBODY'S FIRST, SOMEBODY'S SECONDS, AND SO FORTH.
TO THAT DEGREE, IF A DECISION WAS MADE THAT G JUPITER SHOULD BE THE ONE TO GO TO 25, I'M JUST MAKING THAT NUMBER UP JUST FOR PERSPECTIVE.
IT WASN'T REALLY A GUARD RAIL IF EVERYBODY ELSE IS AT 20 BECAUSE THEY WOULD, SOLE DISCRETION, BE MAKING THE DECISION THAT G, IT'S TIME TO TRY OUT THE 25 MODEL AND THAT COULD START IN JUPITER.
AGAIN, IT'S JUST THE TONE OF THE LANGUAGE THAT MORE BOTHERS ME AND TO THE DEGREE THAT IT IS A STEP CHANGE FROM WHAT HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR DECADES THAT HAS WORKED SO WELL.
WHETHER IT'S UNLIMITED OR SOLE DISCRETION, THEY'RE BASICALLY THE SAME BECAUSE THAT MEANS THAT IT'S NOT COMING BACK.
>> I GUESS FOR ME, I ALSO LOOK AT IT IN TERMS OF WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE HERE AS WE HAVE IN OTHER PLACES.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CONTRACT ALLOWS FOR THAT.
I WOULD BE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH A HARD CAP AT 20 AND THEN TO FIND OUT THAT THERE HAD BEEN SOME INNOVATIONS AND OTHER PLACES ARE AT 22, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUMENT.
BUT WE DON'T GET THAT BECAUSE WE PUT A HARD CAP AT 20, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE IS ALWAYS THE SAME.
TO ME, THAT LANGUAGE ALLOWS FOR THAT FLEXIBILITY.
AGAIN, GOES BACK TO MY OTHER POINT BEFORE, IT'S PART OF ITS COMMUNICATION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON, AWARE THAT THIS MIGHT BE COMING UP, SO AS WE HAVE THAT COMMUNICATION, WE'RE NOT CAUGHT FLAT-FOOTED TO SAY, OH, WHY DO WE NEED MORE PEOPLE? THAT'S A WAY, I THINK, YOU CAN HAVE SOME COLLABORATION ON THAT.
BUT, AGAIN, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ALWAYS MAKE SURE THAT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE WE HAVE HERE IS THE SAME ALL ACROSS THE COUNTY AND THAT JUPITER DOESN'T SOMEHOW BECOME A STEPCHILD BECAUSE WE PUT A CAP ON IT AND THEN OUR SERVICE ISN'T THE SAME.
>> I AGREE WITH THAT, WITH THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, AND I UNDERSTAND THE COUNTY MODEL.
IF WE DON'T GO ALONG WITH THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, THEN THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS AROUND US THAT THOSE TRUCKS ARE GOING TO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
BUT I DO WANT TO ALSO STRESS THAT IT'S NOT JUST COMMUNICATION, IT'S ALSO A BUDGET IMPACT.
WHEN YOU THINK OF IMPACTS FOR FIRE RESCUE, THE MOST EXPENSIVE THINGS ARE PEOPLE BECAUSE IT'S A RECURRING COST THAT'S VERY HIGH.
BUILDINGS PROBABLY NEXT, IT'S A HIGH COST, BUT IT'S ONE TIME, AND THEN EQUIPMENT.
EACH PERSON WOULD MAKE A SIGNIFICANT BUDGET IMPACT.
BUT THAT SAID, GIVEN THE GUARD RAIL OF IT BEING CONSISTENT WITH STAFFING LEVELS ACROSS PALM BEACH COUNTY AREA, THAT GIVES ME COMFORT AND I'M FINE WITH IT.
>> MAYOR, I THINK I HEAR CONSENSUS ON THAT ONE.
>> ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT, SAME TYPE OF QUESTION.
IT WAS A MATERIAL TERM OF THE CURRENT CONTRACT THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY UNDER.
AGAIN, THE COUNTY IS ASKING FOR AN INCREASED EQUIPMENT AT THEIR SOLE DISCRETION.
>> FOR ME, THIS GOES ALONG WITH STAFFING LEVELS.
YOU'RE PROVIDING A CERTAIN LEVEL OF SERVICE WITH THE EQUIPMENT ON THE TRUCK, THE TYPE OF TRUCK, THINGS LIKE THAT, IT NEEDS TO BE CONSISTENT ACROSS EVERYTHING.
IF WE HAVE UNITS MOVING INTO JUPITER TO PROVIDE SERVICE, YOU WANT THEM TO BE THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE AS THE UNITS IN JUPITER AND VICE VERSA.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO BE IN THE BUSINESS OF TELLING PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE WHAT TYPES OF EQUIPMENT THEY NEED TO USE IN ORDER.
I'M FINE WITH LEAVING PALM BEACH COUNTY HAS A WRITTEN.
>> MY ISSUE WITH THIS ONE IS, MAYBE TO START WITH THE 2013 CONTRACT, IT JUST LISTS THE APPARATUS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IN THE TOWN.
IT LISTS IT AND IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT, AGAIN, IT'S THE AMENDMENT PROCESS.
THIS IS A CHANGE BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T NEED AN AMENDMENT.
ANOTHER THING IS THAT, UNLIKE STAFFING, THIS DOES NOT HAVE THE GUARD RAIL OF CONSISTENT WITH LEVELS ACROSS PBC.
I DID RAISE THAT WITH THE COUNTY EARLIER AND I WOULD ASK IF
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POSSIBLE AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE HAVING TONIGHT IN ADDITION TO THE NON-BUDGETED AMOUNTS, THAT WE TALK ABOUT ADDING THAT GUARD RAIL TO THIS ITEM, LIKE STAFFING.>> I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S THE THEORY TO ME THAT THEY GO HAND IN HAND, SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT WITH NO ONE TO OPERATE IT.
IT WOULD BE BASED ON LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARDS ACROSS THE COUNTY.
TO ME THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT UNLESS THERE'S SOME OTHER CATEGORY OF EQUIPMENT OR SOMETHING I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE THAT WON'T APPLY, BUT IT SEEMS LOGICAL TO ME THAT IT WOULD BE BASED ON COUNTYWIDE STANDARDS, PROVIDE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, YOU WOULD HAVE STAFFING AND THE EQUIPMENT WOULD FOLLOW ALONG THAT, SO I'M FINE WITH THAT.
>> WELL, AGAIN, I KEEP ASKING THE QUESTION, WHY SHOULD RADICALLY DIFFERENT FROM THE CONTRACT AGREEMENT? TO ME, AGAIN, THIS IS TANTAMOUNT TO ASKING JUPITER TAXPAYERS TO JUST WRITE A BLANK CHECK.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS ISN'T LOOKED AT THAT ANNUALLY WHEN YOU COME IN WITH THE NEW PLAN FOR THE NEXT YEAR, WE WOULDN'T HAVE CONVERSATIONS, SO LIKE WE HAD IN THE PAST, IT JUST SEEMED LIKE SOMETHING HAPPENED IN THE LAST FEW YEARS THAT IS NOT HAPPENING.
WE WENT FOR MANY YEARS WHERE IF SOMETHING CHANGES, WE COME, WE COLLABORATE.
WITHOUT SOME GUARDRAILS OR THAT MECHANISM IN HERE, WE MAY NEVER HEAR WHAT DROVE A SIGNIFICANT BUDGET INCREASE.
AGAIN, AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, ELECTED TO REPRESENT THE GENERAL PUBLIC, THAT'S THE BUSINESSES AND THE RESONANCE OF THIS TOWN, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A MECHANISM WHERE I KNOW WHAT THE BUDGET CHANGES AND WE HAVE CONVERSATION ABOUT IT.
I'M JUST UNCOUPLED WITH SOLE DISCRETION OF PALM BEACH COUNTY.
>> I AGREE. WE HAVE OUR OWN POLICE DEPARTMENT AND ANYTIME AND YOU WERE CHIEF FOR MANY YEARS, YOU'D COME WITH US, WE NEED THIS AND THAT, WE DISCUSSED IT AND WE GAVE YOU EVERYTHING YOU EVER NEEDED, I THINK WE DID [INAUDIBLE].
I WOULD LIKE THE SAME RELATIONSHIP HERE AND I DON'T KNOW, THE OLD CONTRACT WORK VERY WELL.
I'M NOT LOOKING FOR TOTAL CONTROL OVER ALL THESE DECISIONS, I JUST WANT TO BE APPROACHED, THINK ABOUT IT, GIVE SOME INPUT, AND COME UP WITH A REASONABLE BUDGETARY NUMBER OR SITUATION.
BUT LIKE MY FELLOW COUNSELORS ARE SAYING HERE, IT'S JUST THE OPEN-ENDED NATURE OF THIS.
WE GET CAPPED OUT AT 10 MILS AND THAT CAN GET US ON VERY QUICKLY.
THAT'S WHY I'M JUST REALLY STRUGGLING WITH THIS WHOLE SITUATION.
I KNOW THIS IS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED A NUMBER OF TIMES.
AS I INDICATED WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH THE SLIDES EARLIER, I KNOW THE CHIEF WHEN HE SENT US HIS LETTER, HE ALSO DID A COST PROJECTION NOW FOR OVER 10 YEARS.
IT WAS JUST BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE ON A REGULAR BASIS AND ALSO INCLUDED AS AN EXHIBIT TO GO ALONG WITH THE AGREEMENT. THAT'S ALL.
>> I THINK IT GOES TO THE BROADER THEME OF I BELIEVE THAT WHAT PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE WANTS IS MORE FLEXIBILITY TO RESPOND TO THE EXTERNAL ENVIRONMENT AND OTHER THINGS.
NOW EMERGENCIES ARE SEPARATE FROM THAT BECAUSE THEY ARE REIMBURSED.
SO I DO THINK THERE ARE ITEMS THAT ARE MORE RARE AND FLEXIBILITY FOR PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE DOES EQUAL GREATER UNCERTAINTY FOR THE TOWN OF JUPITER AND ITS BUDGET ENVIRONMENT.
I THINK IT'S JUST THAT BROADER THEME THAT'S CREATING CONCERN HERE.
WE SAW THE CHART PROVIDED AND IT HAD HISTORICAL AND PROJECTED COSTS.
THE SLOPE OF THAT CHART BEING VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE CHART THAT WE HAD PROVIDED BEFORE.
I WOULD JUST ASK AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND MAYBE TO TAKE IT BACK, SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT, CAN WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WENT INTO THAT CHART, WHAT'S LEADING TO THAT FINAL NUMBER OF $44 MILLION? AGAIN, IT'S A DIFFERENT BUSINESS MODEL, AND IT WAS SAID TO ME IN PRIVATE CONVERSATION,
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IT REALLY HELPED ME TRANSLATE IT.BECAUSE THERE IS THE COUNTY TRANSLATION TO THE TOWN AND THERE'S ALSO PUBLIC SAFETY TRANSLATION TO CIVILIANS, WHICH I KNOW QUITE WELL BECAUSE OF MY FATHER.
I WOULD SAY THEY THINK AND BUDGET AT A COUNTY LEVEL AND WE BUDGET AT THE TOWN LEVEL, IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT LAYER OR LEVEL OF GRANULARITY.
I DO KNOW THAT THAT MAY BE DIFFICULT TO TEASE OUT.
BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD HELP GIVE US A SENSE OF CALM WITH PROJECTED COSTS.
IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN GO BACK, I'M UNSURE AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM MY COLLEAGUES.
>> I GUESS THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, THERE'S TWO COMPONENTS TO THIS.
ONE ARE THE DIRECT COSTS WHICH ARE BASED ON ACTUAL AND THOSE ARE ALWAYS TWO YEARS BEHIND.
THE 2023 NUMBERS ARE BASED ON 2021 DATA.
THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE THIS LAG FOR THAT.
BUT THEN YOU HAVE THE OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE PART OF THE REGULAR BUDGETING PROCESS, THE OVERHEAD AND THINGS LIKE THAT, SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT IS EASIER TO PROJECT.
I THINK WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE PAYING BASED ON ACTUAL DIRECT COSTS, THERE'S THAT LAG AND THAT'S GOING TO MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT TO PROJECT BECAUSE SOME OF THESE OTHER NUMBERS MAY NOT INCLUDE THE INCREASE OF PEOPLE WHO COME DOWN HERE SINCE THE BUDGET NUMBERS WERE PRODUCED BEFORE.
WE MAY SEE AN UPTAKE IN FUTURE YEARS, NOT BECAUSE ANYONE'S DONE ANYTHING, BUT JUST BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST AND NOW THOSE NUMBERS ARE COMING FORWARD.
TO ME IT'S NOT VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO ALWAYS BE A LITTLE HARD TO PREDICT BECAUSE IT'S REALLY BASED ON FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES.
>> ONE THING IF I CAN ADD TO THAT, MR. MAYOR, I KNOW IT'S OUR STANDARD AS WELL AS THAT WE PROVIDE THESE ESTIMATES GOING FORWARD AND THAT'S ALL THEY ARE, THEY'RE ESTIMATES GOING OUT INTO THE FUTURE.
MAYBE ADD A PROVISION THAT HAS THE COUNTY FIRE CHIEF COME TO ONE OF OUR BUDGETARY WORKSHOPS.
INSTEAD OF ME STANDING IN FRONT OF YOU OR STAFF STANDING IN FRONT OF YOU TALKING ABOUT THE TOWN BUDGET, THE QUESTIONS ALWAYS COME ABOUT PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE.
THEN I HAVE TO GO BACK AND SPEAK TO MY COUNTERPART OVER THE FIRE TO GIVE ME THAT INFORMATION.
MAYBE THAT WOULD BE THE TIME THAT IF THEY HAD TO UPDATE THEIR PROJECTIONS, THEY COULD DO THAT.
THAT WAY IT ACCOUNTS FOR THOSE UNFORESEEN THINGS.
IT'S AN ITEM THAT'S ATTACHED TO THE ACTUAL AGREEMENT, IT'S A REQUIREMENT THAT THEY UPDATE THOSE PROJECTIONS AND THEN COME MAYBE BEFORE THE TOWN COUNCIL TO UPDATE THAT DURING OUR BUDGETARY WORKSHOPS, AS LONG AS THIS IS ON THE SAME NIGHT AS THE COUNTY OBVIOUSLY.
>> IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'VE GOT A REPUTATION THAT'S GOOD OR BAD.
HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU RECALL ME EVER QUESTIONING THE ANNUAL ADJUSTMENT FOR FIRE RESCUE IN THE TIME YOU'VE KNOWN ME?
>> ZERO. JUST THIS LAST YEAR WAS THE FIRST YEAR.
WE HAD CONFIDENCE IN THE PROCESS. IT WORKED.
WE KNEW IT WILL WORK, THERE WAS A TRACK RECORD YEAR-TO-YEAR HOW IT'S DONE.
WE'VE LEARNED FROM GOING THROUGH THIS.
I'VE TRIED TO EFFECTIVELY LISTEN WHAT WASN'T ADDRESSED.
WE'VE LEARNED, WE COULD HAVE ADDRESSED IT.
AGAIN, I ASK PLEASE COUNTY FIRE RESCUE TO UNDERSTAND THAT EVEN AT THE PROJECTION, AND I APPRECIATE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR PROVIDING A PROJECTION WE WANTED THAT.
EVEN THE COST PROJECTION FOR 24, WHICH BY THE WAY IS A 25% COST INCREASE FROM 2022.
BUT EVEN THAT IS NOT FIXED OR I'D LIKE TO HEAR, IS IT FIXED? WE'RE AT THE MIDPOINT OF THE FISCAL BUDGET YEAR.
AT SOME POINT COMING UP, I WOULD THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIRM UP WHAT 24 IS.
AGAIN, WE WERE HOPING FOR SOME BETTER UNDERSTANDINGS GOING FOR US.
THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING A PROJECTION.
BUT IN FAIRNESS, LOOK AT YOUR PROJECTION YOU PROVIDED IN ALL THESE CAVEATS THAT YOU AND YOUR SOLE DISCRETION COULD CHANGE STUFF.
YOU COULD ADD STUFF AND 24 COULD BE EVEN HIGHER.
>> THEY ARE PREPARING FOR THEIR BUDGETARY WORKSHOPS.
THAT NUMBER IS JUST A PROJECTION AT THIS POINT.
THEY OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO DO THE SAME EXERCISE WE DO,
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WHICH HAS GONE BEFORE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE CHIEFS, EVERYBODY TO LOOK AT THOSE ITEMS. YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT COULD CHANGE BASED ON DEMAND.
>> IT'S ELEMENTS OF THAT FORMULA CHECK SHEET THAT WE UNDERSTOOD ALREADY THAT CHANGE THE SERVICE RESPONSE TO JUPITER IS A NUMBER THAT WHAT IT IS WILL CHANGE THE CALCULATION, SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE ADJUSTABLE AND THE METHODOLOGY WE'VE HAD.
I THINK I'VE MADE MY POINT ABOUT MY UNCOMFORT WITH REGARD TO JUST EVEN WHAT I'M LOOKING AT HERE TONIGHT, WHAT IS THE FISCAL YEAR '24, '25 GOING TO BE? IT COULD BE RADICALLY DIFFERENT IF PALM BEACH COUNTY, IF WE WERE TO AGREE TO THIS AGREEMENT AND THEIR SOLE DISCRETION, THEY WANT TO CHANGE THE NUMBERS.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS?
>> THE COST WE ARE PROVIDED AS A DIRECT COST AS A FORECAST METHODOLOGY WHICH WAS ASKED OF THE COUNTY TO PROVIDE.
THEY PROVIDED IT, THEY ATTACHED IT TO A MILLAGE.
THEY BROKE IT DOWN INTO HOW MUCH IT WOULD BE AN ANNUAL INCREASE AT LEAST FOR THE NEXT YEAR, WORKED OUT TO $17.88 PER YEAR ON AN AVERAGE VALUATION OF 600,000, WHICH WASTE MANAGEMENT WAS FAR AND ABOVE THAT.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORIC TREND LINE OF THE GRAPH AND COSTS KEEP GOING UP.
THEY SHOWED THAT THE AMOUNT OF DIESEL HAS GONE UP WAY MORE THAN GASOLINE HAS.
THAT FLUID THAT THE TRUCKS NEED, ALL THOSE THINGS HAVE GONE UP.
WE'RE NOW CAPTURING THOSE COSTS.
IT'S BEING PROVIDED TO US TO SHOW THAT THERE HAS BEEN A DRASTIC INCREASE IN THE COST OF EVERYTHING.
OBVIOUSLY, I'M GOING TO EXPECT THE COST TO GO UP. I'M LOOKING AT THE GRAPH.
IT'S NEARLY FOLLOWING THE HISTORIC TREND LINE THAT WE'RE ALREADY ON.
I DON'T SEE THE HUGE ISSUE WHERE IT'S FOLLOWING WHAT ALMOST NEAR TO THE T OF THE CURRENT AGREEMENT THAT WE'RE IN WHICH EVERYONE SAYS IS WORKING JUST FINE.
>> IT'S NOT THE CHANGE FROM THE LINEAR TREND BEING HISTORICAL PLUS PROJECTED.
>> I'M READING IT DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE JUST LIKE THE COST OF EVERYTHING, THE TREND LINE, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, TO ME, IT'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO INCREASE AS THINGS GO UP.
JUST LIKE OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT BUDGET IS TRENDING IN THE UPWARDS DIRECTION.
>> THE HIGHER THE PROJECTED COST GOES UP, THE HIGHER THE LINEAR WILL SHOW IT TO THE POINT IT'S NOT MEANINGFUL.
IT'S ALWAYS MEANINGFUL TO LOOK AT THE HISTORIC TREND LINE AND THEN WHERE YOU'RE GOING.
>> YEAH. I LOOK AT THOSE PROJECTED INCREASE AS A WORST-CASE SCENARIO IN MY MIND.
THAT'S WHAT IT COULD BE BUT IT COULD BE A LOT LOWER.
>> WELL, YOU'RE FEELING THAT WAY, LET'S GET IN A [INAUDIBLE].
>> WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME WHEN I LOOK AT THIS AND I'M PROBABLY THE LEAST QUALIFIED PERSON LOOKING AT A SPREADSHEET UP HERE, TO ME, MOST OF THE COSTS REALLY ARE DIRECT COSTS FROM THE CALLS.
I'M NOT SURE WHERE SOME OF THESE IS COMING FROM BECAUSE MOST OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET BILLED IS BECAUSE OF THE CALLS RUN BY THE STATIONS IN BATTALION ONE THAT SERVE THE RESIDENCE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THIS CHART, YES, THERE'S A PART OF IT THAT'S OVERHEAD COSTS, BUT THE MAJORITY OF IT IS JUST BASED ON THE NEEDS OF THE TOWN IN TERMS OF GETTING THE FIRE RESCUE SERVICES.
WE JUST RECENTLY HAD THREE FATAL ACCIDENTS.
A LOT OF COSTS GOING INTO THAT TO HAVE TO HAVE RESCUE SERVICES FOR THAT.
IT'S LIKE THEY'RE REACTING TO WHAT HAPPENS.
I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU TRY TO CONTROL THAT.
>> I THINK THAT MAY BE AN ASSUMPTION.
WITHOUT THE DATA, IT MAY BE OUR BEST GUESS.
>> THE BUDGET IS FOR HISTORICAL DATA.
IT'S THE DATA FROM TWO YEARS AGO.
>> WELL, I'M LOOKING AT THE TREND LINE OF THE CHART PROVIDED AND THAT IS TRUE.
OUR CHART HAD HISTORICAL COST.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE ASTERISK IN THE CHART PROVIDED BY PALM BEACH COUNTY, IT'S HISTORICAL AND PROJECTED.
THE SLOPE OF THAT LINE IS DIFFERENT AND IT'S BECAUSE OF PROJECTIONS PROVIDED BY ONE PARTY.
THAT'S THE CONCERN IS WHAT'S GOING INTO THE PROJECTION? WHY IS IT ONLY FROM ONE PARTY? IF YOU BENCHMARK IT ACROSS OTHERS, IF YOU LOOK AT PALM BEACH GARDENS OR BOCA OR OTHERS,
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YOU DON'T GET TO COST THIS HIGH.I'M HAVING A HARD TIME KNOWING WHAT'S GOING IN IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF I NEED A PRESENTATION BEFORE COUNCIL OR ANY OF THAT, BUT JUST TO UNDERSTAND TO GO BACK IN THIS AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT WHAT GOES INTO THAT COST PROJECT.
I THINK IT'S JUST LEARNING THAT COUNTY BUSINESS MODEL CAN BE PROCESSED A LITTLE BIT BETTER, UNDERSTANDING WHEN THERE IS A STAFF CHANGE BACK TO ANOTHER ITEM ON THIS LIST.
BECAUSE THE GUARD RAIL IS IT HAS TO BE CONSISTENT ACROSS THE COUNTY LEVEL OF SERVICE OR COUNTY AREA.
THAT WOULD COME WITH A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT WOULD COME BEFORE BCC.
I JUST DON'T KNOW THE TIMELINE ON THAT PROCESS OR WHAT GUARD RAIL IT IS OR HOW IT IMPACTS COSTS.
I THINK WE'RE LEARNING ABOUT THE COUNTY.
I THINK IT WOULD HELP TO UNDERSTAND THAT PROJECTION OR WHAT GOES INTO THAT EVEN AT A HIGH LEVEL.
I UNDERSTAND AND RESPECT THAT IT'S A DIFFERENT BUSINESS MODEL.
I DON'T WANT TO BE TOO MUCH OF A BURDEN THAN THIS, BUT A HIGH LEVEL AMOUNT OF DATA TO GO INTO THE PROJECTOR AND JUST TO UNDERSTAND THE THINKING BEHIND IT.
IT'S LIKE A MATH PROBLEM. SHOW YOUR WORK JUST TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WENT INTO THAT PROJECTION IN THAT CHART THAT CAME FORWARD. THAT'S ALL.
>> IF THE COUNTY IS HERE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THAT'S THE BEST PART.
MAYBE THEY CAN ANSWER TO THIS.
I'M NOT SURE IF THEY HAVE ANY INFORMATION THEY CAN PROVIDE.
>> MAYOR, JOE GREGORY IS AN EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT TO THE FIRE CHIEF.
HE WOULD LIKE TO EXPLAIN THIS CHART.
WE JUST PRETTY MUCH TOOK THE FISCAL YEAR 2024 PROJECTIONS.
WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR BUDGET RIGHT NOW AND WE HAVE A PROJECTED BUDGET FOR BATTALION ONE.
WE TOOK THAT USING THE COST METHODOLOGY, THE FOUR ADDITIONAL THINGS WITH A MOVE UP THE STATION, WHICH WE DON'T PROJECT ANY NEW STATION, BUT IF THE COST FOR RENOVATIONS AND STUFF THAT CAPS AT THE 400,000 INSTEAD OF THE 200,000, WE ADDED WHAT WAS FROM LAST YEAR.
THEN WE TOOK AND WE WENT TO HISTORICALLY BACK.
HISTORICALLY, WHAT HAS BEEN THE INCREASE OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS? HISTORICALLY, FROM 15 YEARS AGO, IT WAS ABOUT FIVE PERCENT.
NOW, I REALIZE THERE'S LOTS OF UPS AND DOWNS IN THAT TIME BECAUSE AT ONE TIME WE HAD STAFFING AND THEN WE DECREASED STAFFING AND THEN WE INCREASE THE STAFFING THREE DIFFERENT TIMES OVER THE LAST CONTRACT.
THAT'S GOING TO HAVE SOME IMPACT ON HOW MUCH IT GOES UP.
BUT OVERALL, IT WAS AVERAGE ABOUT 5.2 PERCENT.
WE JUST TOOK THAT INITIAL COST AND SAY IT'S GOING TO INCREASE THE SAME WAY IT HAS IN THE PAST, 5.2 PERCENT.
THAT'S WHAT WE DID. THERE'S SO MANY FACTORS THAT GO INTO THAT WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE IT'S BASED ON THE COST METHODOLOGY.
>> I APPRECIATE THE EXPLANATION.
YOU'VE HEARD I'VE NEVER QUESTIONED FIRE RESCUE BUDGET DOING IT NOW BECAUSE WE'RE AT A TRANSITION TO A NEW AGREEMENT AND PALM BEACH COUNTY IS WANTING TO ASK ADD WHOLE BUNCH OF ADDITIONAL ITEMS AND REMOVE, IN MY VIEW, GUARDRAILS AND HAVE THEM WITHOUT ANY CAPS.
THIS IS WHY THIS BE A SMALL ITEM THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE.
I HAD QUESTION THE QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS ON HUMAN RESOURCES.
I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THAT FOR THE SIZE OF PEOPLE STAFFING FROM FIRE RESCUE IN THAT SERVES THE TOWN AND THE 2024 CALCULATION SHOWS IT GOING UP $100,000.
JUST THAT LINE ITEM GRANTED IT'S ONLY $100,000, 100,000 HERE, 100 THERE PRETTY SOON YOU'RE TALKING REAL MONEY.
AGAIN, I DON'T THINK IT'S PRODUCTIVE UP HERE ON THE DIALS TO BE GETTING ANSWERS TO THAT.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT I'M LOOKING AT THIS THAT'S HOW EASY A NUMBER CAN CHANGE IN THE PROCESS.
WHATEVER THE DRIVER WAS TO INCREASE HR 40%, FROM 250 TO 360.
IT'S THERE COMES THROUGH THE PROCESS.
THAT WAS THE ITEM A BIT DISAPPOINTED.
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WE HAD NO FURTHER CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT WHICH I HAD BEEN EXPECTED, BUT I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE OVERHEAD COSTS.>> WHAT I'M HEARING TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND IS THERE IS A CONSENSUS ON SOME PROJECTION BEING INCLUDED TO ACCOMPANY THE CONTRACT DOCUMENT.
WHAT AM I NOT HEARING CORRECTLY?
>> YEAH, I THINK SO, BUT PERHAPS FOOTNOTES AT LEAST TO CAPTURE SOME OF THE EXPLANATIONS.
>> NOT NECESSARILY CAPPING ANY OF THE DOLLAR, BUT JUST SOME PROJECTION TO ACCOMPANY THE DOCUMENT,.
>> CORRECT. YES AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE AND I LEAVE IT TO THE DISCUSSION.
AGAIN, TALKING ABOUT THE GROWTH IN JUPITER.
WE HAVE VERY LITTLE OF IT GOING FORWARD.
WE ALL KNOW THAT WE'RE BUILT OUT, BUT THERE ARE STILL SOME IMPACT FEES TO BE COLLECTED GOING FORWARD.
ONE OF THE ITEMS WAS THAT STAFF FELT THAT THOSE IMPACT FEES NEEDED TO STAY WITHIN JUPITER TO HELP WITH SOME OF THESE CAPITAL RENOVATIONS OR EXPANSION TYPE ITEMS THAT MAY BE NEEDED.
THE COUNTY HAS INDICATED THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO USE THOSE THROUGHOUT PALM BEACH COUNTY.
>> I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS ITEM.
IT WASN'T IN THE 2013 AGREEMENT.
I DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE THEMES ACROSS THE COUNTY AND OTHER MUNICIPALITIES REGARDING IMPACT FEES AND WHERE THEY'RE USED.
BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH DISCUSSIONS, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE DIDN'T HAVE IN THE 2013 AGREEMENT.
IF WE DON'T HAVE IT IN THIS ONE, I'M NOT NECESSARILY UPSET WITH THAT.
AGAIN, WE TOUCHED ON THESE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THEM, BUT THERE'S ALSO THE BROADER THEMES THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH AND AN INPUT AND LOCAL CONTROL AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND THERE'S THIS DESIRE BY THIS COUNCIL, I BELIEVE, TO KNOW THE BROADER STRATEGY OF COUNTY PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE.
THERE'S THE JUPITER MSTU BUT IT'S SO INFORMED BY THE BROADER STRATEGY AT THE COUNTY LEVEL.
THAT IS LESS KNOWN TO US THAN THE JUPITER STATIONS AND WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE JUPITER MSTU.
BUT ONE DOESN'T FORM THE OTHER AND SO I REMEMBER AGAIN, AS I HAD SAID BEFORE, WITH IMPACT FEES BROADLY AS A COUNTY, THEY WERE STOPPED FOR SOME TIME AND YOU WONDER WHAT'S GOING ON WITH IMPACT FEES AND IF THEY'RE COLLECTING ENOUGH, THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNTY LEVEL.
I DON'T FOLLOW THEM THAT CLOSELY.
BUT, IT JUST LEADS TO, WE NEED TO TRACK AND UNDERSTAND THE COUNTY BETTER.
AS A TOWN WHICH WAS SAID IS HERE AS WELL.
BUT THAT'S JUST TOUCHES ON THAT BROADER THEME.
>> IT'S GOT TO ALL MUNICIPALITIES INVOLVED IN THIS CONTRACT, PAYING TO THE IMPACT FEES, DO THEY ALL CONTRIBUTE?
>> TO PALM BEACH COUNTY THEY'RE COLLECTING THEM ON BEHALF OF PALM BEACH COUNTY.
THEY PAID THE COUNTYWIDE MSTU SO YES, IT GOES INTO THE GENERAL KITTY FOR EXPANSION PROCESS.
>> I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH LEAVING THAT OUT.
>> MY QUESTION ON THAT, TO ASK WHETHER IF IT WAS OUT TO ME, I WOULD HAVE EXPECTED THERE WAS A REASONABLE EXPECTATION THAT IF SOMETHING WOULD IT BE NEEDED IN JUPITER, THAT THOSE IMPACT FEES WOULD BE AVAILABLE, I'M PRESUMING THAT'S WHY STAFF WANTED TO GET THAT ADDRESSED.
I'D LIKE THE COUNTY TO FIRE RESCUE TO ANSWER A HYPOTHETICAL. WHAT HAPPENS? EVERYBODY AGREES, RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME THAT THERE'S 1.3 MILLION THAT HAD BEEN COLLECTED OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS.
WHAT HAPPENS IN 2024 IF PALM BEACH COUNTY OPT TO EMPTY OUT TO JUPITER IMPACT FEE ACCOUNT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO SPEND IT IN SOUTH PALM BEACH COUNTY FOR NEW STATION.
NOW, 25 COMES UP WITH 26 SOMETHING COMES UP THAT'S NEEDED IN JUPITER, 1.3 WERE SWEPT AWAY.
WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO LIE UPON IMPACT FEES FROM THE REST OF THE COUNTY OR DOES THAT MEAN STUFF, LOOK JUPITER TAXPAYERS, WE SWEPT IT.
YOU NEED TO COME UP WITH THE MONEY.
I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE I'D LIKE TO GET THAT ADDRESSED SOMEHOW.
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>> MAYOR, I THINK IS PART OF THIS ONGOING PRESENTATION.
I BELIEVE PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE HAS DEMONSTRATED TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
THERE'S NEVER BEEN ANY RESISTANCE THE GIVEN THIS COMMUNITY WHAT IT DESERVES.
WE ADDRESSED THE ISSUE OF THE IMPACT FEES.
THERE IS ONE ZONE WHICH IS THE COUNTY FOR IMPARTING IMPACT FEES.
WHEREVER THIS MOVE WHEREVER THIS ADDITION BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HAS HAPPENED, THE IMPACT FEES, YOU'VE GOT A SET AMOUNT OF TIME TO SPEND IT.
YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE A NEW INITIATIVES, SOMETHING THAT WASN'T PROVIDED BEFORE, THAT COULD BE ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTY.
BUT KEEP IN MIND AS BEING PART OF THIS SYSTEM.
ANY ENHANCEMENT ANYWHERE REALLY PROVIDES ADDITIONAL SERVICES THROUGH THIS CITY AS WELL.
I WANT TO REITERATE THE POINT THAT NEVER, EVER YOU'VE GOT MY WORD WHICH, WHATEVER YOU MAY THINK THAT MEANS BUT I CAN TELL YOU HISTORICALLY GOING BACK THE CHIEF BRYCE, WE'VE NEVER HELD BACK ANYTHING FROM JUPITER LOOKING AT DOLLARS AND CENTS.
>> I AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK THE UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT IF IT'S NEEDED ELSEWHERE, IT WOULD GO ELSEWHERE IN THE COUNTY MODEL.
BUT IF WE NEEDED IMPACT FEES FOR SOMETHING THAT WOULD COME FROM THROUGHOUT THE KIND TO US THAT WERE NEEDED.
IT'S WHERE IT'S NEEDED AT THE TIME AND THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING.
>> I MEAN, IT'S ONE BIG POT OF MONEY, SO EVERYONE CONTRIBUTES TO IT.
WHEREVER THEY NEED TO SPEND THAT THEY SPEND IT AND EVENTUALLY ESSENTIALLY IT DOES COME BACK TO BENEFIT ANYBODY WHO LIVES IN JUPITER, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE TRAVELING THROUGHOUT PALM BEACH COUNTY, WHETHER IT'S ON I95 OR GOING OUT THROUGH BELGRADE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO GET TO THE WEST COAST.
IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO YOU AND ANY OTHER COMMUNITY WITHIN PALM BEACH COUNTY, YOU'RE PROTECTED BY ESSENTIALLY THE TAX DOLLARS THAT YOU'VE ALREADY PAID WITH.
I'M FINE WITH LETTING THE IMPACT FEES FOR THE COUNTY, JUST LEAVE IT AS IT IS.
>> SCOTT, THE 1.2 MILLION IN RESERVES THOSE AREN'T IMPACT, THAT'S FROM ADMIRAL.
>> NO. THOSE ARE EXCESS REVENUES, MOST LIKELY FROM AD VALOREM HAS ACCUMULATED OVER TIME.
>> THAT'S ABOUT ONE YEAR OF ABOVE THE 95 PERCENT THRESHOLD, WHICH IS WHAT THE BUDGET FOR.
HISTORICALLY, WE COLLECT A LOT MORE THAN THAT.
THAT'S EFFECTIVELY WHAT THAT IS.
>> AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND THE COUNTY MODEL.
THE COUNTY. IT'S JUST GOING TO BE SWEPT.
YOU CREATED THE PERCEPTION ON WHAT IS FRONT OF ME HERE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
BUT YOU HAVE THE MAJORITY POSITION ON THAT.
>> THANK YOU. THE NEXT ITEM IS THE FINANCIAL REPORTING.
YOU DID HAVE THE ITEM THAT WAS PLACED ON THE DIOCESE EVENING THAT WAS RECEIVED LATE FRIDAY AFTERNOON, THAT THE COUNTY HAS INDICATED THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO PROVIDE BUDGETARY DATA, ALLOCATION PERCENTAGES, RESPONSE TIME STATISTICS, AND OTHER INFORMATION NECESSARY TO CALCULATE THE COST OF SERVICE TO THE FULL FORMULA AS AN EXHIBIT A.
THEY ARE PROVIDING THE INFORMATION NECESSARY TO BUILD FOR TOWN STAFF TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT CALCULATION.
WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY ASKING FOR IS YEAR-END BUDGET TO ACTUAL DATA.
WE'D LIKE TO SEE JUST LIKE WE DO FOR THE TOWN, THAT AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WE PROVIDE A BUDGET TO ACTUAL FOR THE JUPITER MSTU FUND.
IN ADDITION, WE'RE ASKING VERY SPECIFICALLY FOR THE BALANCE SHEET FOR THE JUPITER MSTU, NOT COUNTYWIDE FIRE, BUT THE JUPITER MSTU BALANCE SHEET.
ANOTHER PROVISION THAT WAS ALSO ADDED IN WAS A RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO AUDIT THE CONTRACT IF WE SO WISH.
THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED AS WELL.
THAT WAS AN ITEM THAT WAS ADDED HERE RECENTLY.
BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO EXERCISE THAT OPTION IF THE COUNCIL SO WISHED.
WITH THAT, YOU SEE THAT IN LANGUAGE THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU, THAT GOES INTO SECTION THREE, ITEM D THAT THEY PROVIDED LATE FRIDAY.
BUT WE'RE AGAIN, WE'RE ASKING FOR VERY SPECIFIC TYPE OF DOCUMENTS, NOT JUST TO BE ABLE TO CALCULATE THE METHODOLOGY.
>> I ACTUALLY I COULD CALL PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE UP HERE JUST BECAUSE I HAD SPOKEN WITH THEM AND THEY WERE HELPFUL ON THIS ITEM.
AGAIN, I THINK IT'S A TRANSLATION ISSUE AND THAT'S WHY I JUST WANT TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY.
WE ARE SPECIFIC WITH OUR DOCUMENTS AND WE DO THINGS IN OUR TOWN A CERTAIN WAY WITH CERTAIN DOCUMENTS.
BUT I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE IS A TRANSLATION ISSUE HERE POTENTIALLY WITH
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THE COUNTY AND PULLING THIS INFORMATION AND THEY'VE BEEN VERY HELPFUL IN WANTING TO PROVIDE WHAT WE ASK.BUT AGAIN, THEY BUDGET AND LOOK AT THINGS AT THE COUNTY LEVEL.
IT CAN BE DIFFICULT TO TEASE THINGS OUT.
I COULD BE WRONG AND ALL THAT.
SO JUST I WANT TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. [LAUGHTER]
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR. THANK YOU, MAYOR.
MIKE MARCHES, OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR, HE'S GOING TO SPEAK TO THESE DOCUMENTS.
>> MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, AND COUNCIL.
YES. WE FEEL THESE TWO PROVISIONS THAT WERE ADDED WILL PROVIDE THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED.
THE COUNTY, WE HAVE BEEN VERY TRANSPARENT PROVIDING ANY INFORMATION TO JUPITER.
ADDITIONALLY, WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH YOUR CONSULTANT YOU HIRED TO FULLY AUDIT OUR CURRENT METHODOLOGY.
WE'RE OPEN TO ANY BALANCE SHEET REPORTS.
I THINK I SENT SCOTT SOME OF THEM.
I HAVE THE INFORMATION FROM OUR DATABASE TO PROVIDE ANY OF THAT TRIAL BALANCE.
YEAR-END CLOSING, THAT ONE SO YOU CAN SEE ALL THE COST.
I THINK THESE PROVISIONS THAT WE ADDED ASK US AND WE'LL PROVIDE IT.
>> THEN YOU AGREE TO THE LANGUAGE WE'VE ASKED.
>> WELL, THE LANGUAGE YOU ASKED WAS VERY SPECIFIC.
WHEN WE LOOKED AT [INAUDIBLE] ATTORNEYS, I THINK DISCOVERED THAT THE COUNTY SHOULD PROBABLY RECORDS CONTAIN A BUDGET DATA, WHICH WOULD BE BALANCE SHEETS TRIAL, BUT ANY BUDGET DATA WOULD INCLUDE THAT.
ALSO STATISTICS FOR SERVICE METHODOLOGY, ANYTHING RELATED TO THAT, ANY RESERVES, ANY BALANCED BROUGHT FORWARD, WE CAN PROVIDE ALL THAT.
>> I'M A BIT CONFUSED HERE TOO.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE PERHAPS IN GOING BACK IN THE NEGOTIATION OR DISCUSSION, SCOTT, WE COULD JUST AGREE ON COMMON LANGUAGE HERE BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE IT MAY BE ADDRESSED, BUT I UNDERSTOOD IT DIFFERENTLY.
I UNDERSTOOD IT BECAUSE THE BUDGETING AND RECORDS AND EVERYTHING, WE'RE KIND OF AT A COUNTY LEVEL, IT WAS DIFFICULT TO PULL THESE SPECIFIC REPORTS BEING ASKED BY THE TOWN.
OR THEY MAY NOT BE RELEVANT TO THE DISCUSSION.
>> ABSOLUTELY. I THINK WHERE WE MAY BE THINKING THE SAME THING AS WE DO NOT BALANCE BY STATION, WE BALANCE BY BATTALION.
I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF THE TRANSLATION CAN BE MISCONSTRUED WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.
BUT WE DO BALANCE BY BATTALION, NOT THE STATION.
THAT COST METHODOLOGY CAN GET A LITTLE CONFUSING BECAUSE WE DO NOT BALANCE BY STATION, IT'S BY BATTALION.
>> DO WE NEED TO ADD SOME, SOME DEFINITIONS IN THIS SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT BUDGET DATA MEANS OR WHAT WHAT'S REALLY GOING TO BE INCLUDED OR IS THE LANGUAGE TOO BROAD? I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO.
>> WE CAN WORK WITH THE STAFF TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT TERMINOLOGY LOOKS LIKE AND THAT COMMUNICATION LOOKS LIKE.
>> IF I MAY THE JUPITER MSTU FUND, IT'S VERY SPECIFIC TO ONLY THOSE TAXPAYERS FROM THE TOWN OF JUPITER THEY'RE PAYING INTO THAT FUND.
THEY MUST ACCOUNT FOR THOSE DOLLARS SEPARATELY.
IN FACT, I THINK THE FUND THAT THEY USE THIS FUND 1301, WHICH IS NOT THE AREA WIDE FIRE FUND, IT IS ONLY SPECIFIC TO JUPITER.
WHAT WE WERE ASKING IS THAT THOSE BUDGETARY DOCUMENTS THOSE YEAR IN BUDGETARY DOCUMENTS ARE PROVIDED.
ALL WE NEED TO SEE HIS BUDGET TO ACTUAL.
THE OTHER ITEM IS THE BALANCE SHEET THAT IS GOING TO TELL YOU THE RESERVES THAT ARE AVAILABLE.
WE'VE ASKED FOR THAT. IT'S A VERY SPECIFIC DOCUMENT THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.
THEN THE OTHER ONE IS THE AUDIT PROVISION.
>> I UNDERSTAND PERFECTLY WELL.
WE'RE INVOLVED WITH THE GOVERNMENT AND NO DIFFERENT THAN THE COUNTY IS.
WHEN YOU'RE PROJECTING THE BUDGET FOR THE NEXT YEAR, YOU DON'T REALLY FULLY KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE IN RESERVE.
WHICH IS WHY WE OURSELVES, IT'S MONTHS LATER WHEN ALL THE AXLES ARE IN THAT YOU GET THE BUDGET.
THAT'S WHY WE NEED IT IS BECAUSE WE THEN GET THE BUDGET.
JUST AS I UNDERSTAND WHERE HE'S GOT IT WRITTEN BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY WE USE THE LANGUAGE.
WE SEE THAT, THEN WE KNOW, OKAY, THAT'S ANOTHER ADJUSTMENT.
IF WE ENDED UP BEING UNDER BUDGET THAN MORE MONEY GOES INTO THE RESERVE FOR JUPITER.
CONVERSELY, IF IT'S THE OTHER WAY, THEN IT'S ADJUSTED.
I THINK IN MY VIEW, WHAT OUR STAFF IS ASKING FOR SOMETHING THAT TO US IS JUST THE WAY WE DO BUSINESS.
I WOULD THINK EVERY GOVERNMENT HAS TO.
I'M HOPING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO WORK OUT THE LANGUAGE WITH THEM.
>> I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. WE LEAN VERY HEAVILY ON OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND THEY NEED ANY INFORMATION THEY NEED, THEY SHOULD BE PROVIDED.
>> THEY INDICATED THAT IT WOULDN'T BE.
I THINK IT'S JUST AN ISSUE OF CAPTURING IT IN THE AGREEMENT TO MAKE SURE IT'S REFLECTED THE RIGHT WAY.
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>> THAT IS THAT IS THE ISSUE SPECIFICALLY.
YES. THEN THE AUDIT PROVISION THAT'S ALSO BEEN REQUESTED, AS MIKE, MY COUNTERPART INDICATED, WE ARE CURRENTLY DOING A CONTRACT ON IT.
IT'S NOT AN AUDIT LIKE WE GO THROUGH EVERY YEAR.
THIS IS THE CONTRACT ON IT THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING THROUGH WITH OUR AUDITORS AND THE FIRE.
WE ARE CURRENTLY AWAITING DATA RELATING TO THAT.
IT'S JUST A GOOD CHECK AND BALANCE.
YOU SHOULD DO THAT EVERY SO OFTEN, JUST LIKE EVERY YEAR WE GO THROUGH AN AUDIT IS JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU DO FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE.
WE'RE NOT SITTING HERE THINKING THAT THE COUNTY IS DOING ANYTHING WRONG.
IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU DO AS GOOD PRACTICE.
WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING THROUGH THAT.
WE WOULD LIKE THAT PROVISION TO BE PART OF THE CONTRACT THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WE COULD DO THAT PERIODICALLY AND THAT THERE IS SOME EXPECTATIONS OF WHAT THOSE AUDITS WOULD BE, THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A CONTRACT AUDIT, AND THEN THERE WILL BE SOME REASONABLE EXPECTATION OF WHEN THE TOWN WILL RECEIVE THOSE DOCUMENTS TO BE DELIVERED TO AN AUDITOR OF OUR CHOICE.
BECAUSE ULTIMATELY, WE DON'T WANT TO GO INTO A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE MAKING PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS ARE AND THINGS OF THOSE NATURE.
NOW, WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT WITH THE COUNTY.
THE COUNTY HAS BEEN VERY AMENABLE AS WE WENT THROUGH WITH OUR CURRENT CONTRACTOR, MEANING THE CONSULTANT THAT WE HIRED, A CHIEF PIEZO.
THEY GOT US THE DATA THAT WE REQUESTED PRETTY QUICKLY.
BUT THE FINANCIAL DATA, WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S YEAR-END ITEMS THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON, THEY'RE WORKING ON THEIR BUDGET.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THERE SHOULD BE AN EXPECTATION OF WHEN WE'RE GOING TO RECEIVE THOSE DOCUMENTS, ESPECIALLY IF WE DO AN ENGAGEMENT WITH AN AUDITOR THAT WE'RE NOT SITTING IN LIMBO WAITING TO COMPLETE THOSE CONTRACT AUDIT ITEMS. WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT ITEM WITHIN THE CONTRACT, THAT WAY THAT THEY KNOW THAT THERE'S AN EXPECTATION THAT MOST LIKELY IT WILL HAPPEN.
>> SCOTT, I HAVE A QUESTION, MAYBE TWO, DEPENDING ON HOW QUICKLY I CAN GET TO THE DOCUMENTS.
BUT ONE IS WAS THAT PROVISION IN THE 2013 AGREEMENT AND THE ILA AND TWO, IS WHAT WAS THE KAISER EXPLANATION ON THE AUDIT OR WOULD THEY LIKE TO COME UP?
>> THERE WERE NONE OF THOSE ITEMS IN THERE.
>> AN AUDIT WAS NOT IN THE TEAM AGREEMENT AND IT'S NOT IN THIS ONE.
>> IF IT WASN'T IN THE OTHER ONE AND WE HAVE AN ASTER.
>> HERE'S THERE BEEN AN ISSUE.
IS THAT WHY YOU WANT TO ADD IT IN OR?
>> BOTH PARTIES NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A REASONABLE POSSIBILITY THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A CONTRACT ON IT, THAT PROVISION BE INSERTED IN THERE.
NO, THERE IS NOTHING THAT'S CAME UP THAT MAKES US BELIEVE THAT THERE'S ANYTHING GOING ON THAT'S INCORRECT OR WRONG, BUT IT IS A REASONABLE EXPECTATION THAT ENTITIES GO THROUGH THESE ITEMS. MOST OF THE CONTRACTS THAT YOU'LL SEE, EVEN WITH THE TOWN, THERE IS STIPULATIONS IN THERE THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THIS, THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO EXAMINE RECORDS AND THAT THOSE ITEMS SHOULD BE IN THERE SO THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THE EXPECTATION IF WE WISH TO DO SO.
>> ARE THERE GUARDRAILS ON THE AUDIT PROCESS? DOESN'T WORK BOTH WAYS? IN WHICH CIRCUMSTANCES WOULD WE WANT TO DO THAT OR IS THAT GIVEN TO THEM OR?
>> WHEN YOU HAVE A CONTRACT AUDIT.
THE AUDITORS ARE AUDITING THE CONTRACT, WAS ALREADY IN WRITING, WAS ALREADY AGREED TO BY THE PARTIES.
THAT'S ALL THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT.
THEY WOULD NOT GO INTO THE COUNTY OFFICE AND WANT TO START SEEING RECORDS THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE JUPITER CONTRACT.
IT'S VERY SPECIFIC IN WHICH THE LANGUAGE WAS WRITTEN.
>> THE AUDIT THAT YOU'RE UNDERTAKING WOULD ENABLE US TO LABEL THE COUNTY TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THE ITEMS THAT SHOULD BE IN RESERVES WERE IN RESERVE AND OUR ADJUSTED EVERY YEAR THROUGH THE ANNUAL AVALON TAX ASSESSMENT, RIGHT? I WOULD THINK BY NOW, KNOWING HOW WE WORK.
FISCAL YEAR '22 ENDED IN SEPTEMBER AND BY NOW WE OUGHT TO KNOW TO BE ABLE TO CHEW UP WHAT WAS TO CARRY OVER FROM RESERVES INTO THE '23 BUDGET.
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WE KNOW THERE'S A LAG, THERE ALWAYS IS.THIS IS THE MECHANISM TO CHECK IT.
I TRUST YOU WORKOUT THE LANGUAGE WITH THEM.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO DO AN AUDIT EVERY YEAR.
>> BUT IT'S CERTAINLY NOT UNREASONABLE TO GET ONE PERIODICALLY.
>> VERY GOOD MAYOR. THANK YOU.
>> MAYOR, I THINK THE EXPECTATION OF THAT CONTRACT LANGUAGE WAS TWO WEEKS THAT WE WOULD RESPOND WITHIN TWO WEEKS AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S WHERE OUR ROUGH POINT IS.
WE CAN CERTAINLY GO BACK WITH STAFF AND WORK ON THAT.
>> IF THAT'S WHAT THE CASE IS WE CAN WORK THAT OUT. YEAH.
>> WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT SPECIFICALLY, WHAT WE WOULD MOST LIKELY WANT TO DO IS AFTER THE CLOSE OF THE FISCAL YEAR DURING THE AUDIT IS EITHER COMPLETE OR WE HAVE GOOD FINANCIAL RECORDS TO BE ABLE TO GO IN AND AUDIT.
WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON BECAUSE WE GO THROUGH THEM AS WELL.
WE'VE GOT THE BUDGET, WE'VE GOT THE AUDIT PROCESS.
SO WE DO UNDERSTAND THOSE THINGS.
>> YEAH AND I SEE THAT. FOR THE BENEFIT OF MY COLLEAGUES AT SECTION 14, IN TWO WEEKS WAS, TO ME, APPEARED SHORT, SO I SEE THAT.
>> THE TERMINATION ITEM UNLESS THE COUNCIL SO CHOOSES TO CHANGE THAT AS INDICATED EARLIER.
AFTER FURTHER REVIEW AND SPEAKING WITH CHIEF KENNEDY AND HIS STAFF, TOWN STAFF HAS NO ISSUE WITH THE 36 MONTHS UNLESS THE COUNCIL LIKE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
>> THEN THE AMENDMENT PROCESS.
THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION EARLIER ABOUT THE AMENDMENT PROCESS AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
WE WERE LOOKING TO KEEP THE CURRENT CONTRACT AS IS WHERE THESE MECHANISMS ARE IN PLACE TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK BEFORE TOWN COUNCIL.
I THINK WHAT I'VE ALREADY HEARD EARLIER WAS THAT GUARDRAILS, THOSE TYPE OF LANGUAGES, WE MAY HAVE ALREADY ADDRESSED A LOT OF THIS AS FAR AS THE AMENDMENT DISCUSSION.
WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I'D LIKE TO MOVE ON PAST THIS ONE UNLESS YOU'D LIKE TO DISCUSS IT FURTHER.
>> APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENTS GOING THROUGH ALL THOSE ITEMS. YOU'VE GIVEN US SOME DIRECTION AND SOME ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO WORK ON WITH THE COUNTY.
THE NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE, IS THERE A REASONABLE EXPECTATION OF THE COUNCIL OF A DEADLINE? BECAUSE WE ARE DEFINITELY UNDER A DEADLINE.
THEY'RE DEVELOPING THEIR FY21 BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR.
WE NEED TO GET AN AGREEMENT APPROVED ENDS SEPTEMBER 30TH OF THIS YEAR.
I THINK EVERYBODY IS IN AGREEMENT, SO I KNOW YOU HEARD THE CHIEF EARLIER, SOONER THAN LATER.
BUT WHATEVER THE EXPECTATION OF COUNCIL IS, STAFF WILL WORK DILIGENTLY WITH THE COUNTY TO HAMMER OUT THESE ITEMS AND COME BACK TO YOU.
>> I'D LIKE TO COMMENT THAT, NUMBER 1, I THINK THERE IS HOPEFULLY, COUNTY FEELS THAT THIS WAS PRODUCTIVE TODAY TO COME TO US AND BETTER UNDERSTANDINGS ON ISSUES.
I BELIEVE WE ACCOMPLISHED THAT.
SEEMS TO BE SOME CONSENSUS ON AT LEAST GOING BACK AND NEGOTIATING THE POINTS IN A LANGUAGE TO BETTER REACH COMMON GROUND.
I'D BE INCLINED AND I'M GOING TO LET MY COLLEAGUE SPEAK TOO, BUT THROUGHOUT OUT 30 DAYS, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, LEAVE IT THAT IF MUTUALLY YOU WEREN'T DONE BY THAT POINT IN TIME, THAT WE'RE NOT DEMANDING IT BE WITHIN 30 DAYS, BUT I THINK ANYTHING LESS THAN 30 DAYS IS AN UNREASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME.
I DON'T GIVE SOMEBODY AN ASSIGNMENT WITHOUT ALSO ASKING, IS THAT A REASONABLE EXPECTATION? I WOULD WANT TO ASK STAFF AND THE COUNTY, IS 30 DAYS A REASONABLE TIME, BASED ON WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED?
WE WILL DEFINITELY DO OUR BEST MAYOR.
I THINK IF WE START MEETING WITH THE COUNTY PRETTY MUCH RIGHT AFTER THIS MEETING.
AFTER HEARING SOME OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE CHIEF, THERE MAY BE SOME COMMON GROUND IN RELATION TO SOME OF THESE ITEMS AND WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO RESOLVE IT.
WE WILL TRY OUR BEST. LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY.
>> BUT AGAIN, THIS ONE YOU'RE ASKING FOR AND I WANT ELVIS TO SPEAK UP.
YOU ASKED FOR A SPECIFIC TIME.
AT SOME POINT IN TIME WE HAVE TO GET GOING SO I'M THROWING OUT AND ASK OF ABOUT 30 DAYS,
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BUT GET BACK WITH US AS THE PROCESS NORMALLY WORKS.SO THAT IF IT TURNS OUT, SAY, SOMETHING CAME UP, YOU'VE MISSED A WEEK OR TWO AND YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO GET IT DONE AND YOU NEED IT DONE A WEEK OR TWO TO GET BACK.
AGAIN, WE PREFER TO GET AN AGREEMENT BEFORE US THAT THERE'S A CONSENSUS ON.
>> WE JUST SAID REGARDING FINANCIAL REPORTING THAT TWO WEEKS IS TOO SHORT OF A TIME, SO WOULD MORE THAN TWO WEEKS, BUT LESS THAN SIX MONTHS.
WE'VE GOT OUR BUDGET PROCESS COMING UP THIS SUMMER FOR THE TOWN AS WELL.
I DON'T KNOW THE COUNTY SCHEDULE, BUT SUMMER SEEMS TO BE A BETTER SEASON, SO 30 DAYS TO ME SEEMS LIKE A GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME.
>> THAT SEEMED A SHORT TEAM AND EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON.
I'D SAY NO MORE THAN 60 DAYS, BUT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT EVERYONE'S GOING TO WORK DILIGENTLY TO GET IT DONE.
IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WE'VE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS ON SOME OF THE OPEN ISSUES.
I DON'T REALLY SEE WHY IT WOULD TAKE AN EXTREME AMOUNT OF TIME OTHER THAN JUST PEOPLE BEING BUSY ON OTHER THINGS AND CAN GET TOGETHER, BUT I WOULD JUST EXPECT THAT WITHIN 60 DAYS WE WOULD HAVE A DRAFT.
BUT IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THERE'S ANYTHING THERE THAT WOULD PREVENT EVERYONE OTHER THAN SCHEDULING, GETTING TOGETHER, AND FINALIZING THE DOCUMENT.
>> WE SHOOT FOR 30 DAYS WITHOUT A GUARDRAIL [LAUGHTER] HOW'S THAT?
>> YEAH. IT LOOKS LIKE CHIEF'S READY TO TALK.
HE CAN HE CAN PROBABLY PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION AS FAR AS WHAT THEY COULD PROBABLY GET DONE, BUT, 30 DAYS OR WHATEVER IT IS FINE WITH ME.
>> IF WE CAN'T MEET THE EXPECTATION, WE WILL DEFINITELY MAKE SURE THE COUNCIL IS AWARE.
>> YEAH. IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S PROBABLY A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT REALLY WE WANTED TO GET SOME LANGUAGE CLEANUP ON SHIRTS.
I DON'T I DON'T FORESEE THAT TAKING TOO TERRIBLY LONG.
>> WE WANT TO GET THIS DONE ASIDE FROM MY WIFE'S 50TH BIRTHDAY AND I'M SUPPOSED TO BE OUT OF TOWN A COUPLE OF DAYS NEXT WEEK.
WE WANT TO GET THIS DONE IN TWO WEEKS.
PLEASE, JUST ALLOCATE THOSE RESOURCES FROM STAFF. WE'RE GOING TO DO THE SAME.
WE'RE GOING TO WORK THROUGH THIS. I WOULD LIKE, FOR THE RECORD, TO READ WHATEVER POINTS WE'RE SUPPOSED TO WORK THROUGH TONIGHT.
WE HAVE A JUMPSTART ON THAT AND WE CAN START WORKING ON THAT OURSELVES.
I CAN'T EXPRESS ENOUGH HOW WE WANT TO GET THIS DONE FOR BOTH PARTIES AND THE MEN AND WOMEN THAT SERVE PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE. THANK YOU.
>> FOR THE ANSWER TO THE CHIEF'S QUESTION.
WHAT I WILL DO IS I WILL ACTUALLY DRAFT SOMETHING AND SENT OUT OF THE ITEMS OF THE PUNCH LIST ITEMS THAT WE WENT THROUGH.
I'LL JUST WALK THROUGH EACH OF THE SLIDES.
TO DETERMINE THE AGREEMENT, I HAVE THE COUNCIL'S INDICATED 10 YEARS WITH THE FIVE YEARS.
THAT'S AN EASY CHANGE TO WHAT THE CONTRACT IS.
TOTAL PROGRAM COST AND THE METHODOLOGY.
WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE SOME GUARDRAILS IN RELATION TO THE OPEN-ENDED ITEMS AND THEY WOULD LIKE STAFF AND PALM BEACH COUNTY TO WORK ON THOSE GUARDRAIL ITEMS RELATION TO THESE ADDITIONAL COSTS.
THAT'LL BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
>> THAT WOULD BE THE MOVE UP COSTS, THE NEW STATION CONSTRUCTION, AND ALSO THE UNFORESEEN BUDGETED ITEMS.
>> THINK IT WASN'T ON THE MOVE UP COSTS OF SOMETHING UNFORESEEN BUDGETED ITEMS.
>> NO, IT'S THE ONE THING, THE UNBUDGETED SITUATIONS AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD,.
>> I DON'T THINK WE EVER NEEDED GUARDRAILS ON MOVE UP.
WE AGREED THAT WAS OPERATIONAL AND THAT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT NEEDED A GUARDRAIL.
>> MY BIGGEST CONCERN WAS NOT BUDGETED AMOUNTS.
>> THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
>> THE STAFFING LEVELS COUNCIL WAS OKAY WITH THE CURRENT WAY IT'S WRITTEN WITH THE PALM BEACH COUNTY BASED ON THE COUNTYWIDE.
LOOKING FOR GUARDRAILS THOUGH, IN RELATION TO THE EQUIPMENT, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, WE'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH DISCUSSIONS WITH PALM BEACH COUNTY.
>> I THOUGHT THAT WAS EQUIVALENT WAS THE SAME AS STAFFING?
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>> I THINK JUST SOME LANGUAGE NEEDED TO BE ADDED CONSISTENT WITH SERVICE LEVELS ACROSS PALM BEACH COUNTY.
>> THERE'S THREE THAT WANTED GUARDRAILS ADDED.
>> OKAY. THE COST PROJECTIONS, WHAT I WAS HEARING FROM THE COUNCIL IS THEY ARE OKAY WITH THE COST PROJECTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED, BUT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE FURTHER INFORMATION RELATING TO WHAT MAKES UP THOSE COSTS GOING FORWARD.
>> I THINK IT WAS PROVIDED TO US HERE VERBALLY, BUT JUST TO PUT IT IN WRITING ON IT.
>> PUT IT IN WRITING. IMPACT FEES ARE FINE WITH LEAVING IT WITH THE COUNTY HAS RECOMMENDED.
THE FINANCIAL REPORTING, WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY ON LANGUAGE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL SPEAKING THE SAME LANGUAGE IN RELATION TO THE BALANCE SHEET AND THE YEAR-END BUDGETARY NUMBERS, MAYBE A DESCRIPTOR OF EACH, SO WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENTS ON THAT, AND THE AUDIT POSSIBLY AS WELL.
THEY SAID THEY WOULD GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT BUT THE TWO WEEK TIME FRAME SEEMS TOO SHORT.
THE TERMINATION IS THE 36 MONTHS, WHICH WE'RE FINE WITH.
THE AMENDMENT PROCESS AGAIN, GOES BACK TO THE DISCUSSION OF THE GUARDRAILS FOR THE OPEN-ENDED BUDGETARY ITEMS. ALSO WHAT I KEPT HEARING OVER AND OVER AND OVER FROM THE COUNTY OR FROM THE COUNCIL IS BEING ABLE TO COME BACK IN FRONT OF THEM TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS ON SOME OF THE FUTURE ITEMS THAT MAY BE NEEDED.
THAT WAS IT. THE LAST QUESTION WAS, IS THERE OTHER OPTIONS THAT YOU'VE SEEN IN THE CONTRACT DOCUMENTS OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO HAVE STAFF AND THE COUNTY CONSIDERED?
>> AS FAR AS THE TERM OF THE AGREEMENT, I DON'T KNOW, DOES IT NEED TO BE SEPARATELY STATED ABOUT THE MSTU INCREASING THAT ORDINANCE TO A TEN YEAR?
>> THAT'S RIGHT. WE STATED THAT WE HAVE ALREADY INDICATED IS FROM THE STAFF LEVEL THAT WHATEVER THAT TERM IS FOR THE AGREEMENT, WE WOULD LIKE THE MSTU TO BE THE SAME, SO WE WOULD BRING THAT BACK AT THE SAME TIME WE COME TO ADOPT THE INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT, WE WOULD AMEND THE ORDINANCE OF THAT POINT AS WELL.
>> JUST WITH REGARDS TO SCHEDULE, I APPRECIATE THE ENTHUSIASM AND I DON'T WANT TO DISCOURAGE THAT TO GET IT DONE IN TWO WEEKS.
I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT IN TWO WEEKS BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE IT AS IT'S THEN COMES BACK TO US SO I CAN LOOK AT IT.
I DIDN'T GO THROUGH A DETAIL REVIEW WITH THE RED LINE AND ALL THAT UNTIL WE GOT TO THESE ISSUES.
SO I WANT TO WANT MY TIME TO DO MY JOB AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL TO REVIEW THE DOCUMENT AFTER Y'ALL COME BACK WITH IT.
SO I DON'T SEE THAT'S POSSIBLE IN TWO WEEKS.
>> UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE COUNCIL. THANK YOU, MAYOR.
>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU FIRE RESCUE YOU FOR THE GREAT TURNOUT [BACKGROUND]
>> AS ALWAYS, THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THIS OPPORTUNITY.
I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE A COUPLE OF THINGS AND PERHAPS WHY [NOISE] CHIEF KENNEDY IS ADDRESSING WITH A SENSE OF URGENCY.
I RECOGNIZE THAT BOTH PARTIES NEED TO BE REALLY ACTIVE IN TAKING THIS TO THE END POINT, AND I CAN'T EMPHASIZE ENOUGH HOW MUCH WE WANT TO GET THERE RAPIDLY, AND WE JUST WANT TO BE ASSURED THAT MEMBERS OF THE STAFF FROM THE TOWN OF PALM BEACH WILL BE AVAILABLE TO MEET WITH PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE BECAUSE THIS IS PROBABLY PRIORITY NUMBER ONE TO GET IT DONE.
WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT GOING THROUGH THE BUDGET SEASON AND THE NEED TO SETTLE THESE NUMBERS SO WE CAN REACH SOME TYPE OF FINALITY ON OUR SIDE AS WELL.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT WE MOVE AGGRESSIVE AND I FEEL THAT IF WE SAY 30 DAYS, WE GET COMFORTABLE AND NOTHING REALLY HAPPENS.
THAT'S WHY I JUST REALLY WANT A FULL COURT PRESS. LET'S GET THIS DONE.
I THINK WE'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED FACT WE WANT TO GET IT DONE, THAT'S HALF THE BATTLE.
WE JUST WANT TO MOVE FORWARD AS RAPIDLY AS POSSIBLE AND APPRECIATE WHAT YOUR STAFF HAS DONE SO FAR TO GET US TO THIS POINT.
THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT BRIEFLY IS WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT, LET'S ESTABLISH WHAT THE ORGANIZATION WANTS TO DO INTO THE FUTURE BECAUSE YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT LEADING TO POTENTIALLY INSURMOUNTABLE COST.
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WE RECENTLY HAD A STRATEGIC PLAN IN WHICH WE ASKED MEMBERS FROM THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY PARTICIPATE IN IT.CERTAINLY, IT WAS SENT OUT A REQUEST THAT MEMBERS FROM THE COUNCIL AND LIKELY THE MAYOR AND THE TOWN MANAGER TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT PROCESS TO ESTABLISH AND LAYOUT THE FUTURE OF WHAT PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE, WHICH SERVICES COMMUNITY LOOKS LIKE.
WE'RE CERTAINLY WILLING TO SHARE WITH YOU OUR FINDINGS IN THAT REPORT, TO SHARE WITH YOU OUR STRATEGIC PLAN SO YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHERE WE'RE HEADED.
I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU WHERE WE'RE HEADED RIGHT NOW IS TO BE THE ABSOLUTE VERY BEST AND CONTINUE THE TRAJECTORY THAT WE'RE ON RIGHT NOW TO BE THE BEST THERE IS IN THE COUNTRY FOR THIS COMMUNITY EVERY DAY.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU AND PLEASE LET'S MOVE AGGRESSIVELY TO GET THIS DONE.
DO IT THE RIGHT WAY, EXPLAIN IT.
CHIEF HAS NO PROBLEMS MEETING WITH EACH OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY.
I GOT NO PROBLEM PARTICIPATING IN MEETINGS.
WE REALLY WANT TO GET THIS DONE AS SOON AS WE CAN. THANK YOU.
MOVING ON TO REPORTS. TOWN ATTORNEY.
[TOWN ATTORNEY]
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR [INAUDIBLE] REPORT, AND THAT IS THAT JUDGE ORDERED US TO COMPLETE MEDIATION IN THE JUPITER SOCCER CASE BEFORE THE END OF APRIL.
I THOUGHT WE HAD A DATE THAT SELECTED YESTERDAY, BUT COUNCIL FOR JTAA HAS A DIFFICULT SCHEDULE, AND SO WE'RE BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD IN TERMS OF SELECTING A DATE.
I THINK WITH THE EXCEPTION OF JTAA'S COUNCIL, EVERYBODY ELSE IS PRETTY EASY TO IDENTIFY A DATE.
IN THE MEAN TIME WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH OUR MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT.
WE EXPECT TO FILE THAT BEFORE MEDIATION.
>> WHAT WAS THE DEADLINE AGAIN, THE JUDGE ORDERED THE MEDIATION?
>> BEFORE THE END OF APRIL. THANK YOU.
[TOWN MANAGER]
>> JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS FROM ME, MAYOR.
FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU ALL FOR THE LONG EXERCISE TONIGHT.
I THINK WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED A LOT.
SECOND OF ALL, AS OUR TRACK RECORD HAS SHOWN FOR THE PAST YEAR, WE WILL CONTINUE TO MEET, WE WILL CONTINUE TO MAKE OURSELVES AVAILABLE, WE WILL CONTINUE WITH THE CONVERSATIONS.
AS THE FIRE CHIEF, WE'RE ANXIOUS TO GET THIS ITEM CLOSED.
LET ME ASSURE THE COUNCIL THAT IT WON'T BE TOWN STAFF THAT IS DRAGGING YOUR FEET.
THEN I WANTED TO GET INTO A COUPLE OF THINGS IF I COULD.
FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EMERGENCY SERVICES.
I'M SURE MOST OF YOU HAVE REALIZED THAT OVER THE PAST TWO-AND-A-HALF WEEKS WE'VE HAD THREE FATAL ACCIDENTS IN TOWN HERE, AND I WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE STAFF [NOISE] FIRST OF ALL, YOU KNOW THAT WE HAD A FATAL ACCIDENT; INDIAN CREEK AT THE ROUNDABOUT, TONY PENN AT ALTERNATE A1A, AND THEN JUST RECENTLY ON HEIGHTS BOULEVARD [NOISE] UNFORTUNATELY, PALM BEACH GARDENS ALSO HAS HAD A SERIOUS BODILY INJURY ACCIDENT ON CENTRAL BOULEVARD JUST SOUTH OF DONALD ROSS RECENTLY, AND SO A LOT HAPPENING THERE.
I MET WITH THE CHIEF, WITH THE DEPUTY CHIEF, THE ASSISTANT TOWN MANAGER, THE DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE HERE, WE'RE BEING PROACTIVE.
I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING.
FIRST OF ALL I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT UP FRONT THAT JUPITER POLICE DEPARTMENT IS NEVER SHY ABOUT ENFORCING TRAFFIC RELATED LAWS AND GOING THE EXTRA MILE TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITY SAFE.
EVEN BEFORE I GOT TO THE MEETING, THEY WERE ALREADY WORKING ON A STRATEGY.
A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO.
FIRST OF ALL, THEY'VE BEEN PUTTING OUT PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENTS TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF SAFE DRIVING.
SECOND OF ALL, THEY ARE ALSO PUTTING OUT A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT AN INCREASED ENFORCEMENT EFFORT TO FOCUS SPECIFICALLY ON SPEEDING, AGGRESSIVE DRIVING, AND DISTRACTED DRIVING.
WHILE THESE ACCIDENTS ARE STILL UNDER INVESTIGATION, [NOISE] THE GENERAL INDICATIONS ARE NOW THAT SPEED PLAYED A FACTOR IN EACH OF THESE CRASHES.
WE WANT TO GET THIS MESSAGE OUT TO THOSE THAT ARE ON SPRING BREAK AND THOSE THAT WILL BE COMING TO US FOR SPRING BREAK.
IN ADDITION, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS GONE OUT AND MADE SITE VISITS.
THEY TOO REVIEW THE ACCIDENT REPORTS FOR THE COMMITTEE.
FOR EXAMPLE, THEY GO DOWN AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE ROAD SAFETY IN THE HEIGHTS.
I THINK THAT CRASH WAS A SINGLE VEHICLE CRASH INTO A TREE.
THEY GO DOWN AND LOOK AT WHERE THE PLACEMENT OF THAT TREE IS RELATION TO THE ROAD AND MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S ANOTHER OBSTACLES THERE, SIGNAGE, AND MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING WAS
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IN ACCORDANCE WITH EVERY SAFETY PROCEDURE THAT WE COULD PUT FORWARD.THEY LOOK AT ROAD DESIGN AND THE SPEED, EVALUATING THE SPEEDS AS IT RELATES TO THE ROAD CONDITIONS ITSELF.
I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE DOING A NUMBER OF THINGS.
WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THIS AND CONTINUE TO GET THE MESSAGE OUT ABOUT SAFE DRIVING, ESPECIALLY FOR OUR YOUNGER FOLKS.
ALL THESE VICTIMS WERE IN THEIR 20S AND 30S, AND SO REALLY SAD.
THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO PASS ALONG WITH YOU AS WELL, I THINK AFTER 10 YEARS, I WAS THE POLICE CHIEF WHEN WE STARTED THIS, I THINK TOMORROW WE'RE GOING TO GET THE POWER HOOKED UP TO THE POLICE RADIO POLL [LAUGHTER] I THINK HOPEFULLY BY TOMORROW AFTERNOON, WE MAY BE TRANSMITTING ON THAT POLL OVER THERE AND HOPEFULLY INCREASE THE LEVELS OF SAFETY FOR OUR OFFICERS [NOISE] IN TERMS OF SOME DIRECTION THAT I GOT FROM THE COUNCIL PREVIOUSLY ON PROVIDING SPACE FOR SOME OF OUR STATE ELECTED OFFICIALS, REPRESENTATIVE SNYDER WILL BE MOVING INTO THEIR SPACE ABOUT APRIL 15TH AND SENATOR HAROLD PROBABLY AFTER THE CURRENT SESSION IS OVER, BE IN ABOUT 30-45 DAYS.
I'D LIKE TO THANK THOMAS HERNANDEZ FOR ALL THE WORK, HIM AND HIS TEAM DID.
IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO GO OVER AND LOOK AT THE SPACE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING THEM, IT'S REALLY QUITE NICE AND IT'S VERY PROFESSIONAL, AND OF COURSE I CAN'T HELP BUT I THINK THAT WOULD HELP THE RESIDENTS OF OUR TOWN.
THEN THE FINAL THING IS, AFTER THIS PAST HOLIDAY, WE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOLIDAY DECORATIONS AND STUFF.
I WAS PRETTY CONCERNED ABOUT THE FACT THAT AFTER DECADES, THE JTAA PARADE MIGHT'VE BEEN GONE AWAY FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS.
I ASKED THE CHIEF TO ASSIGN SOMEBODY TO WORK WITH THEIR STAFF.
WE'VE IDENTIFIED A PARADE ROUTE SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE HAVING THE PARADE FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.
YOU SHOULD HAVE EACH GOTTEN AN EMAIL ON THAT.
AS IT STANDS NOW, THE JTAA PARADE WILL GO ON WHILE THE BRIDGE IS BEING BUILT AND THEN POSSIBLY MOVED BACK TO THAT LOCATION AFTER ALL THE CONSTRUCTION IS DONE.
I APOLOGIZE FOR LONG REPORT ESPECIALLY AFTER A LONG NIGHT, BUT I WANTED TO GET THE INFORMATION OUT TO YOU ESPECIALLY ON THE SERIOUSNESS OF THE TRAFFICKING SITUATION.
>> BEFORE WE ROUND TABLE, I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT ABOUT THOSE.
ON THE JTAA PARADE WHICH IS GREAT NEWS, DID MIKE AGREE TO THAT?
>> YOU HAVE A LONG E-MAIL FROM HIM [LAUGHTER]
>> NOW, BECAUSE IF ANYBODY DOESN'T KNOW THIS IS AN INDIVIDUAL THAT HAS CHAMPIONED.
I TRIED TO RETIRE HIM, HAD NO SUCCESSOR, SO GREAT. I APPRECIATE THAT.
[TOWN COUNCIL – LIAISON REPORTS AND COMMENTS]
ON THE FATALITIES WHICH ARE CERTAINLY TRAGIC AND I'M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT THEM, I HAVE SOME THINGS WOULD PREFER OUT OF RESPECT THAT IN PRIVATE.BUT I DO WANT TO SAY THAT WITH REGARD TO THE POLICE, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE.
IT'S BEEN MY LONG EXPERIENCE THAT SOMEHOW SOME WAY THEY'VE ALWAYS PRACTICED MONITORING TRAFFIC COMPLIANCE AND THEN ACTING TO CHANGE BEHAVIORS.
I SAW THE FACEBOOK POSTS AND WHATEVER JUMPING IN ACTION, BUT I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO SHARE WITH MY COLLEAGUES THAT SOMETHING WAS EXTRAORDINARY BUT AGAIN IT MET EXPECTATIONS.
I'M SITTING AT THE LIGHT SOUTHBOUND ON CENTRAL WANTING TO GO TO I-95 ABOUT A FEW CARS BACK DURING RUSH HOUR IN THE MORNING AND THE NORTHBOUND LEFT TURN LANE WHICH IN THE MORNING HAS NEVER HAS ENOUGH TIME.
I LOOKED AND THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE THAT PUSHED IT BEYOND ANYTHING I HAD SEEN.
I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, WOW, THAT'S PUSHING IT TO AN EXTREME BECAUSE THEY JUST KEEP PILING ALONG.
I TURN THE CORNER, I SEE FLASHING LIGHTS ON THE RIGHT LANE AND THE LEFT LANE.
JUPITER'S FINEST WAS OUT THERE CHANGING BEHAVIOR, SO I CAN ATTEST TO THE FACT.
IT TURNS OUT I HAD PEOPLE APPROACH ME THAT SAME DAY EVEN COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT, AND SURE ENOUGH JUPITER WAS ON IT.
I HAD SHARED THAT WITH THE CHIEF AND OUR TOWN MANAGER, BUT I WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU ALL BECAUSE THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN OUR EXPERIENCE.
WE'RE JUST TICKET HAPPY, BUT I'M VERY GRATEFUL THAT THIS IS A GREAT TRACK RECORD OF JUMPING
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ON IT WHEN BEHAVIORS NEED TO BE CHANGED AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT IS PLAN NOW, CORRECT?>> YES, IT IS, AND THANK YOU, MAYOR.
I TELL YOU, WE'RE SO PROUD OF THEM, EXCEPTIONAL GROUP OF PEOPLE THERE.
FRANK, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP THE RECENT ACCIDENTS AND THE REACTION TO HELP CALL THOSE THINGS BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE THINGS IS, UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S TAKING THE PLACE OF AGGRESSIVE DRIVING AND DEFINITELY HIGH RATES OF SPEED IS PLAYING A FACTOR IN ALL THOSE THINGS.
I WAS GOING TO BRING IT UP, SO I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS BEING ON THE FOREFRONT OF THAT TO GET IT DONE.
I HAD AN AGGRESSIVE DRIVER YESTERDAY WHILE I WAS ON SHIFT.
FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY FELT THAT THE RESCUE TRUCK TRANSPORTING A PATIENT WASN'T AS IMPORTANT AS WHERE THEY NEEDED TO GO AND CUT ME OFF, PAYCHECK ME, ALL THOSE THINGS.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE FACTORS ARE GOING INTO THIS BEHAVIOR, BUT DEFINITELY PUTTING SOME PRESSURE ON AND HAVING A SATURATION TO CALL THOSE BEHAVIORS AND GETTING THE MESSAGE OUT THAT THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE TOLERATED.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE RIGHT NOW FOR SEASON.
SPRING BREAK IS GOING ON, KIDS ARE OUT OF SCHOOL ESPECIALLY THIS WEEK, AND I'D HATE TO SEE ANYTHING HAPPEN, SO I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS GETTING OUT AHEAD OF THAT.
>> MINE TOO SENSE ON THAT TO IS JUST, I'M VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE POLICE FOR ALL ARE DOING.
I HAVE TO SAY ALMOST EVERY TIME I DRIVE AROUND IN JUPITER, I SEE AT LEAST ONE POLICE CAR [LAUGHTER] YOU'RE CERTAINLY VISIBLE AND WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THAT.
AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, I'VE LEARNED A LOT TOO AND WE'VE SHARED AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT OUR TRAFFIC.
WHEN I SPEAK TO BUSINESSES, THEY SAY THE THIRD WEEKEND IN MARCH IS THEIR BUSIEST WEEKEND, IS THEIR PEAK WEEKEND FOR BUSINESS PARTICULARLY IN THE INLET VILLAGE RECENTLY.
WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR TRAFFIC TRENDS, MARCH IS A REALLY BAD MONTH FOR TRAFFIC, FOR ACCIDENTS, FOR EVERYTHING BECAUSE THERE ARE MORE CARS ON THE ROAD AND IT IS THAT SEASON AND IT'S SPRING BREAK, IT'S ALL OF THESE THINGS.
KNOWING THAT IS A RESIDENT, NOW THAT I KNOW THAT MARCH IS BAD, I'M SEEING IT AS WELL WITH DRIVERS REGULARLY.
I'VE PROBABLY HAD NEAR MISSES A COUPLE OF TIMES, NOT MY FAULT.
BUT IT IS HARD AND I BEHAVE DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE I KNOW THAT MARCH IS A HARD MONTH.
IT'S HELPFUL TO KNOW THAT AS A RESIDENT.
I DO WANT TO SAY THE JTAA PARADE, I'M VERY GLAD TO HEAR THAT.
WHENEVER THERE'S A PARADE, I THOUGHT WE DID THIS LAST ONE, COUNCIL MAY [LAUGHTER] WITH THE VOTE AND THE BANNERS.
BUT I ONCE HEARD, IT WAS SOME ARTICLE I WAS READING IN NATIONAL PAPER.
SOMETIMES WE GET MORE ISOLATED IN MODERN TIMES.
HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU HAVE A SENSE OF COMMUNITY? WHAT'S A GOOD METRIC? ONE OF THE METRICS WAS, DO YOU HAVE A LOCAL PARADE? WE DO, AND NOT ALL COMMUNITIES DO.
HOW WOULD IT FALL APART? HOW WOULD WE LOSE THAT LOCAL PARADE OTHER THAN LOGISTICS AROUND A BRIDGE? IT MIGHT BE THAT PEOPLE DON'T PUT AS MUCH EFFORT INTO IT OR PEOPLE DON'T, THEN MAYBE IT'S NOT WORTH COMING OUT AND THEY IT ALL FALLS AWAY.
I WOULD CHALLENGE ALL OF US HERE AND I THINK TEQUESTA TOOK NOTICE, I THINK.
>> THEY WERE VERY ENVIOUS OF OUR FLOW [OVERLAPPING]
>> THE MAYOR UP THERE WAS LIKE, "YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING ME."
>> I CHALLENGE TEQUESTA AND ALL OF US HERE [LAUGHTER] TO SEE WHAT WE COULD DO FOR THE JTAA PARADE.
>> I'LL JUST GET A BIGGER BONUS.
>> CAN I HELP DECORATE IT? THEN FOR PALM BEACH, CAN I JUST WANT TO SAY I HAD A MEETING THIS MORNING WITH PALM BEACH COUNTY NORTH CHAMBER OF COMMERCE SIDE SO THAT I WAS JOINING A TASK FORCE RELATED TO THEIR STRATEGIC PLAN AND MY LOVE OF STRATEGIC PLANNING.
I KNOW THAT OUR ASSISTANT TA MANAGER HAD PARTICIPATED IN FORUMS WHERE THEY TALKED TO GATHER INPUT FROM ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES WE'RE GOING FORWARD ON HOW TO ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT IT AND I'M ALWAYS INTERESTED IN THAT.
DISCUSSION. IT WAS THE FIRST MEETING, THE NEXT MEETING WILL BE IN JUNE, JULY.
THE GOAL IS TO JUST HAVE TWO ITEMS TO COORDINATE ON FROM THE LIST PROVIDED ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN THAT IS ON THE WEBSITE.
BUT TRANSPORTATION WAS A BIG PART OF THAT DISCUSSION AND I HAVE TO SAY, I LEARNED SO MUCH IN THAT MEETING.
IT WAS JUST A TABLE THAT I HADN'T BEEN AT BEFORE.
I GO TO LEAGUE OF CITIES MEETINGS, I GO TO OTHER MEETINGS AROUND THE COUNTY AND I HEAR THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND I'M LEARNING ABOUT THE VALUE OF EACH OF THOSE.
BUT THIS TABLE IN PARTICULAR, I LEARNED A LOT ABOUT TRANSPORTATION AND WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE COUNTY, AND JUST HOW IT'S STRUCTURED, HOW TRY RAIL AND BRIGHT-LINE HAVE TO SHARE THOSE TRACKS.
HOW I KEEP HEARING ABOUT THIS SURTAX.
TO ME, NEW EYES SOUNDS LIKE A FORGONE CONCLUSION, BUT IT'S NOT.
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A LOT OF THESE THINGS ARE VERY FAR OUT AND THERE ARE A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS.I WANT TO ENSURE THAT JUPITER HAS A SEAT AT THAT TABLE.
WE CERTAINLY, I PROVIDED A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE FOR SURE.
IT WAS AS DIFFERENT AS THEIR PERSPECTIVE WAS FOR ME, IT WAS GREATLY VALUED.
I'M JUST PROVIDING THAT UPDATE AND I'LL CONTINUE TO UPDATE BECAUSE WE HAVE THOSE GOING FORWARD.
>> IT'S BEEN MY ANECDOTAL EXPERIENCE THAT THE BRIDGE TRAFFIC REPLACEMENT SITUATION ISN'T ALL THAT BAD.
>> AS A MATTER OF FACT, I WAS JUST TALKING TO THE DEPUTY CHIEF ABOUT THAT TODAY.
A GENERAL FEEDBACK HAS BEEN THERE'S A GOOD VOLUME OF CARS OR VEHICLES, BUT EVERYTHING'S FLOWING AND WE'RE REALLY NOT HAVING ANY REAL MAJOR ISSUES THEN.
>> MAX PEAK SEASON, WHICH IS AMAZING.
A FRIEND OF MINE HAS A BUSINESS RIGHT BEHIND THE LIGHTHOUSE DINER AND HE'S BEEN ANXIOUS FOR A YEAR ABOUT THIS WHOLE THING.
HE TEXTED ME THE FIRST MORNING, SAYS TRAFFIC IS FINE.
THANKS TO OUR STAFF AND GETTING THE WORD OUT AND F DOT THAT PEOPLE IMMEDIATELY CHANGED THEIR DRIVING HABITS BECAUSE I CORNERED AN F DOT ENGINEER ONE OF THE TOURISTS WE HAD.
I SAID, HOW BAD IS GOING TO BE? HE SAYS FIRST TWO WEEKS ARE GOING TO BE A CLUSTER.
[LAUGHTER] BUT I GUESS WE DIDN'T WASN'T ALL THAT BAD.
>> IN THE COUNTY ENGINEERS TRAFFIC SYNCHRONIZATION DEPARTMENT BECAUSE SAT IS REAL-TIME MANAGED.
>> IT'S FUNNY. YOU MENTIONED THE RADIO.
I JUST THOUGHT OF THAT THE OTHER DAY.
I THINK I WAS DRIVING DOWN THE LANE.
WHATEVER HAPPENED. WAS THAT HAPPENING.
>> WE WAIT ON FP AND L [LAUGHTER].
>> BACK TO YOUR SITUATION AT THE RED LIGHT.
MAYOR, WHEN THE PEOPLE CLOG IN, THE WORST INTERSECTION IS PGA AND PROSPERITY WHEN THAT BRIDGE GOES UP.
>> THE EASTBOUND TRAFFIC THAT EVERY TIME I'M THERE HEADING NORTH, THEY ALL STOP THAT AND YOU HAVE TO GO AROUND AND EVERYBODY PEEPS
>> I USED TO KNOW THAT ONE WELL, BECAUSE WHEN I WAS IN JUNO BEACH AND WOULD GO BACK AND FORTH TO THE MALL FOR LUNCH. EVERY TIME.
>> THIS IS SOMETHING IN THE WATER DOWN THERE. WHAT'S IT?
>> I JUST HAVE ONE ITEM AND I JUST SAID SOMETHING I HAD SHARED WITH THE TOWN MANAGER AND HIS STAFF, BUT THE WEEKLY REPORTS THAT WE GET, JUST SOMETHING STRUCK ME ON THE MARCH 10TH ONE.
I JUST WANT TO GET THIS ON THE RECORD.
I THOUGHT IT WAS THE BEST EVER PRODUCED AND THAT'S NOT TO DIMINISH THE GREAT TREND.
BUT WHEN I LOOKED AT THAT MARCH 10TH ONE, ALSO THE FACT IS I RECOGNIZED AS SIGNIFICANT STAFF EFFORTS.
BUT THEN I EMPHASIZE I CONSIDER THEM TO BE QUITE INFORMATIVE AND HIGH VALUE TO ME AS A MAYOR AND REMEMBER THE TOWN COUNCIL.
BUT I WAS WOWED BY THE SCOPE OF VARIOUS MONKEY REPORT DASHBOARD INDICATORS FOR THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT INFORMATION SYSTEMS DEPARTMENT, COMMUNITY RELATIONS DEPARTMENT, AND CONNECT WITH THE DASHBOARDS THAT WERE CREATED.
THAT'S HOW THEY'RE MANAGING THEMSELVES.
THAT'S HOW THE TOWN MANAGER MANAGES, SO WASN'T CREATIVE FOR US, BUT IT WAS PRETTY IMPRESSIVE TO SEE THAT IN THERE.
AGAIN, I'M TALKING ABOUT MARCH 10TH, BUT IT'S BEEN IN THERE IN PREVIOUS REPORTS.
JUST WOULDN'T JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE HAD BEST OVERALL COLLECTION OF THESE.
THEN THE LEGISLATIVE ACTIVITIES REPORT DEMONSTRATE HOW PROACTIVE STAFF HAS BEEN PRODUCED IN PURSUIT OF APPROPRIATION REQUESTS.
I'M CERTAINLY GRATEFUL FOR THAT.
IF YOU REMEMBER, I BROUGHT THAT UP ASKING, HEY, WHAT IS BEING DONE IN [INAUDIBLE] ? IT'S ALL SPELLED OUT, SO WE MAY HAVE INDIVIDUALLY KNOWN, BUT THAT WAY WE ALL HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO KNOW AND THEN NOT TO TAKE AWAY FROM ANYTHING THAT WAS IN A REPORT.
THEY WAS TALKING ABOUT SUMMER CAMP REGISTRATION, NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, COPS AND TODDLERS, AND THEN THE PHASE ONE MILESTONE INSPECTIONS ARE CONDOS, WHICH IS A BIG DEAL.
IT WAS SO INFORMATIVE AND SO COMPREHENSIVE THAT CRITIQUE FEEDBACK THAT I GAVE WAS HEY, THEY DEMONSTRATE A HIGH DEGREE OF DEPARTMENT ON STAFF ENGAGEMENT IN PROVIDING EXCELLENT GOVERNMENTAL SERVICES TO TOWN RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES.
I JUST WANTED TO REALLY RECOGNIZE THEM.
AGAIN, I'D PASS THIS ON TO THE TOWN MANAGER AND STAFF, BUT JUST WANTED TO GET THAT ON THE RECORD.
BUT AGAIN, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE MARCH 10TH REPORT, BUT THAT'S NOT TO DIMINISH THE OTHER ONES BECAUSE I'VE SEEN A PROGRESSIVE IMPROVEMENT IN THE OVERALL QUALITY OF THE REPORTS.
I'M GRATEFUL FOR THAT, SO THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAD.
>> MAYOR IF I COULD JUST VERY QUICK BRIEFLY, THAT THOSE METRICS ARE BEING DEVELOPED
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BY THE DIRECTORS IN CONSULTATION WITH THEIR STAFF UP AND DOWN THE LINE.THESE ARE THE PIECES THAT THEY'RE REALLY PROUD OF AND THEY WANT TO CELEBRATE.
THANK YOU FOR PASSING THAT ALONG OR FOR SAYING THAT, AND I WILL PASS IT ALONG.
OF COURSE, KATE AND NIKKI DO A LOT TO COORDINATE THAT.
THE ONE LAST THING IF I COULD, I'VE NEGLECTED TO MENTION THAT OUR UTILITIES DIRECTOR, DAVID BROWN IS RETIRING AND I THINK HIS LAST DAY IS THE 31ST.
I WANTED TO GET ON THE RECORD CONGRATULATIONS TO HIM.
HE'S DONE AN AMAZING JOB OUT THERE THAT THE UTILITIES AND BIG SHOES TO FILL.
BUT WISH HIM WELL IN HIS RETIREMENT AND HE CERTAINLY EARNED A KUDOS FROM US HERE IN THE TOWN FOR HIS 30 YEARS OF SERVICE TO US.
>> I HAVE TO SPEAK TO THAT AS WELL AS THE NEW REMEMBER, THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND A LAKE THAT WASN'T FEELING AND THE RESIDENTS ORGANIZED TOGETHER.
HE GATHERED THEM ALL TOGETHER.
HE'S WORKING TO ADDRESS THAT PROBLEM WITH UTILITIES.
HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN SO RESPONSIVE, SO DETAIL-ORIENTED ON SO MANY THINGS.
I REALLY THINK WE'RE GOING TO MISS THEM.
I THINK HE PROVIDED A LOT OF VALUE TO THE TOWN.
WE HAVE ONE OF THE BEST WATER SYSTEMS IN SOUTHEAST, IN THE SOUTHEAST US.
HIGHER PERCENT MEMBRANE TREATMENT.
IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THE LEVELS IN OUR DRINKING WATER, IT'S JUST I'M VERY PROUD THAT AND HE'S A BIG PART OF THAT.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT ON THE RECORD.
>> HE HAS BEEN A GREAT HELP TO US THAT YOU BERLANT FOUNDATION OF STARTING EARLY ON THAT WITH US, HELPED US DEVELOP SOME PLANS, EDUCATED US A NUMBER OF THING.
HE'S ALWAYS BEEN A GREAT SUPPORTER AND REALLY JUST FABULOUS AND HELPING EVERYBODY AND DOING THINGS FOR JUPITER. WE'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO MISS HIM.
>> WELL, WHEN I FIRST GOT ON HERE, I TOOK PICTURES AND THE WATER PLANT AND HE GAVE ME THE GRAND TOUR.
SINCE I HAD MANY MEETINGS WITH DAVID AND HIS STAFF, JUST LOOKING OVER THE BUDGETS OF THE PROJECTS COMING INTO THE WATER PLANT, SEA GRASS ISSUES, EVERYTHING CONCERNING WATER AND JUPITER.
I WANTED TO THANK DAVID FOR HIS SERVICE.
I THINK WE HAVE THE BEST OF WATER IN FLORIDA, SO I'LL DRINK IT RIGHT OUT OF THE TAP.
>> I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, BUT JUST TO ENCLOSE IT HERE FOR MY INPUT ON THAT, CERTAINLY THERE WAS A TIME AND A CHANGE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH DAVID, BUT THERE WAS A TIME WHEN HE COORDINATED BASICALLY THE LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIZATION OF GRANTS THAT WE GOT FOR THE LONGEST TIME.
THEN AT THE LEGISLATIVE, AND THEN DUE TO CHANGES IN WHATEVER, THAT FELL APART.
BUT THAT WAS A PHENOMENAL WHEN YOU HAD A RESPONSE OF LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION THAT WAS LOOKING TO GET PRIORITIES ON WHAT WOULD BE A BENEFIT.
HE DID A GREAT JOB IN COORDINATING THAT AND WE NOW HAVE TO GO TO DIFFERENT APPROACH BECAUSE THAT PROCESS FELL APART.
>> DAVE, I SAW HIM EARLIER SO I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING.
HERE'S ONE OF THE FIRST PEOPLE TO REACH OUT TO ME AFTER I GOT ELECTED AND CONGRATULATE ME AND INVITE ME OVER THE WATER PLANT AND SHOW ME EVERYTHING OVER THERE.
ONE OF THE FIRST BIG PROJECTS THAT HAPPENED THAT I STEPPED INTO WAS PINE GARDENS NORTH.
THAT WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE FLOODING AND STUFF, WE HAD THIS HUGE RAIN EVENT THE YEAR IN 2020 WAS LIKE 100 YEAR RAIN EVENT AND THERE'S THE TOWN WAS FLOODING ALMOST LIKE IT WAS IN 1995 OR SOMETHING.
I IMMEDIATELY REACHED OUT TO HIM AND HE WAS ABLE TO JUMP IN AND GET EVERYTHING MITIGATED, CLEAR THE ALLEYWAYS OUT AND HELP CREATE A PLAN TO FIX ALL THAT STUFF THERE.
HE WAS MORE THAN WILLING TO HELP AND SUPPORT THAT.
HE'S DONE GREAT WORK WITH EVERYTHING HERE AND THE WATER IS DELICIOUS.
I DRINK IT A LOT, [LAUGHTER] BUT YEAH, SO CONGRATULATIONS TO DAVE.
>> THANK YOU. THE TIME IS NOW 9:49 AND WE ADJOURN THE MEETING.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.