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[Call to Order ]
AND CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? . DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS? NO. MAYOR SEEING NONE I'LL MOVE ON TO THE MINUTES.[1. November 15, 2022 Community Redevelopment Agency Special Meeting Minutes, December 1, 2022 Community Redevelopment Agency Special Meeting Minutes, December 6, 2022 Community Redevelopment Agency Special Meeting Minutes and January 17, 2023 Community Redevelopment Agency Special Meeting Minutes. ]
COUNCIL. COMMISSION WE HAVE BEFORE US FOUR SETS OF MINUTES.ANY COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES OR CAN I HAVE A MOTION MOTION TO APPROVE.
MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
[2. Discussing the CRA Plan. ]
MOVING ON TO THE ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION, DISCUSSING A PLAN, I GUESS I TURN IT OVER TO EITHER THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OR STAFF. THANK YOU, MAYOR.STEPHANIE THOBURN PLANNING AND ZONING AND ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PLANNING TONIGHT.
WE'RE GOING TO IT WILL BE THE INTRODUCTION OF THE TASK AT HAND.
I HOPE TO GET THROUGH MY SLIDES PRETTY QUICKLY BECAUSE YOU ALREADY HAVE THEM AND REVIEWED THEM, RIGHT? SO, SO IT'S NOT INTENDED TO GO IN A DEEP DIVE OR DISCUSSION BECAUSE I'M GOING TO LAY OUT THE PROCESS OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE UPCOMING CRA MEETINGS.
THE FIRST COUPLE OF THINGS IS JUST THE OVERVIEW, AND THIS IS MORE FOR OUR GENERAL PUBLIC OF THE CRA.
THE CRA PLANS, WHAT'S THE FINANCIAL TRENDS THAT ARE THAT WE'RE SEEING? ALSO TO BEGIN THE DISCUSSION OF THE MAJOR TOPICS RELATED TO THE CRA PLAN, ADDRESSING LATEST CONDITIONS, ALIGNMENTS WITH CURRENT POLICIES, AND THEN PONDERING THE FUTURE.
THIS ITEM WAS BROUGHT TO YOU A BIT FROM A MEETING, A CRA MEETING THAT OCCURRED IN APRIL WHERE YOU ASKED FOR THIS, YOU ASKED FOR THIS CRA AMENDMENT TO LOOK AT IT.
AND THERE WAS A FINDINGS OF SLUM AND BLIGHT, AND REALLY IT WAS TO ENSURE THE DEVELOPMENT OF A OF AN ACTIVE DISTRICT FOR RESIDENTS, VISITORS WHO CAN GATHER, WORK AND PLAY ALONG THE SHORELINE OF THE WATERWAYS.
SO I'LL JUST MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT FIRST SLIDE.
THIS THE ISSUE OF SLUM AND BLIGHT HAS ALWAYS BEEN KIND OF COMMENTED ON BY THE PUBLIC, BUT NONETHELESS, IT WAS A REQUIREMENT TO EVEN FORM A CRA. SO I'VE ALWAYS KIND OF JUST DISCONNECTED FROM THAT.
AND THERE WAS A DOCUMENT THAT HAD TO BE PRODUCED.
BUT I ONLY WANTED TO BRING THAT UP TO THE DEGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS HISTORICAL.
DOESN'T MATTER. THAT'S WHAT GOT IT APPROVED.
SO THE CRA WAS ORIGINALLY ESTABLISHED IN 2003.
AND THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY IS WAS SET UP TO FACILITATE REDEVELOPMENT.
BUT THE THE GOAL OF THE CRA IS TO INCREASE VALUES IN IN THE BOUNDARY AND THEN TO ESTABLISH A FUNDING MECHANISM IN ORDER TO HELP SPUR REDEVELOPMENT WITH TAX INCREMENT FINANCING.
AGAIN, THIS IS FOR THE PUBLIC AND I'M SURE YOU ARE ALL AWARE.
BUT THE FUNDING IN THE CRA IS SEPARATE FROM OUR NORMAL CAPITAL INVESTMENT PROGRAM.
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SO THOSE THOSE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE CRA ARE USED BY CRA MONIES AND.SORRY, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION ON THAT TOO.
IS TIF EXPECTED LIKE A TAX INCREMENT FINANCING OR FUNDING MECHANISM IN EACH OF THOSE.
YES. I MEAN GENERALLY IN ORDER TO LIKE THINK OF IT AS A MAIN STREET PROJECT WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, UTILIZE THE MONIES, THE TAX MONIES FROM THAT DISTRICT IN ORDER TO PUT IN PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THAT'S WHERE IF YOU IF PEOPLE SEE THE IMPROVEMENTS DONE ON A PUBLIC STANDPOINT, THEN THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO MAKE PRIVATE INVESTMENTS IF THEY SEE THAT MONEY FLOWING.
SO THE CRA PLAN WAS LAST AMENDED IN 2012 AND THAT WAS REALLY TO ADDRESS WE HAD GUANABARA WAS THE BOUNDARY TO INCLUDE GUANABARA WAS AND INLET VILLAGE MARINA WAS INCLUDED IN THAT CHANGE.
WHEN WE DID 20, WE DID THE AMENDMENT IN 2012.
THE FLORIDA STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS.
AND THE ANNUAL REPORT IS BASICALLY A REPORT CARD OF HOW YOU'VE BEEN IN COMPLIANCE OR MOVING ALONG FROM A STATUS STANDPOINT WITH YOUR CRA PLAN, AND IT INCLUDES YOUR FINANCIALS AND YOUR GOALS AND WHERE YOU STAND UP TO DATE.
SO YOU'LL SEE THAT SEPARATELY AND IT'S A SEPARATE DOCUMENT FROM THE ACTUAL CRA PLAN, BUT THE ANNUAL REPORT GIVES YOU WHERE ARE WE NOW? SO AGAIN, FOR THE FOR THE PUBLIC.
BUT IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW, BECAUSE THIS WAS SOME OF IT WAS A LITTLE INTERESTING TO ME WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, OF THE ALMOST 400 ACRES IN THE CRA BOUNDARY, 250 ACRES IS UPLAND, SO TAXABLE LAND ESSENTIALLY, AND ABOUT A THIRD OF IT, OR 148 SEVEN ACRES, IS IN THE WATER OR SUBMERGED LANDS.
SO SOME KEY OBJECTIVES OF THE EXISTING CRA PLAN.
IF YOU HAVEN'T JUST IN GENERAL, IF YOU HAVE READ THE PLAN THAT IT ADDRESSES BLIGHT AND MUST ADDRESS A BLIGHT IN ORDER TO HAVE IT ADOPTED, IT'S TO FOSTER REDEVELOPMENT, HENCE THE NAME COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY.
AND THEN IT PROVIDES FOR A PLAN FOR COMMUNITY INVESTMENTS.
AND THOSE THINGS ARE TYPICALLY PUBLIC INVESTMENTS SUCH AS ROADS.
IN THIS CASE, IT WAS RIVERWALK.
THERE WAS SOME PLANS FOR LOVE STREET PARKING LOT, STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS WE DID, BUT ALSO THE MAJORITY OF IT WAS TO PROVIDE PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE WATERFRONT.
AND SO THIS IS AND YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THE TIME FRAME THAT THIS CAME ABOUT IN THE EARLY 2000S AFTER INDIANTOWN ROAD WAS CONNECTED TO I-95, THE PRESSURES OF DEVELOPMENT THAT OCCURRED IN JUPITER WERE SUBSTANTIAL, BUT YET US ONE WAS FAR REMOVED FROM THE X AXIS FROM I-95.
SO WE WERE GETTING PROJECTS IN.
AND THERE WERE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS AS WELL THAT CAME IN THAT WANTED TO PRIVATIZE THE WATERFRONT.
AND LIKE WHAT WE DID, THE TOWN DID IN THE 1970S AND EIGHTIES, THERE IS A REAL PUSH TO HAVE THE WATERFRONT LIKE THE BEACH PUBLIC AND DEDICATED TO THE PUBLIC.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE MAJOR IMPETUS FOR FOR HAVING THE CRA AND THE CRA PLAN ADOPTED.
AND I JUST COMING IN ON THAT SHEET AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO PROVIDE PERSPECTIVE.
INTERESTINGLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ABOUT 20 YEARS INTO A 30 YEAR PLAN.
WHEN YOU LOOK IT STARTED IN 2003 AND I'M APPRECIATIVE TO THE NEWER MEMBERS THAT BROUGHT UP LET'S REVISIT THE PLAN BECAUSE NOW WE GOT LIKE TEN YEARS TO GO.
SO REGARDLESS OF HOW WHAT GOT IN THE PLAN GOT IN THE PLAN, WE'RE PROBABLY BE CAPABLE NOW OF TRULY, YOU KNOW, VISIONING OUT THE LAST TEN YEARS OR SO.
RIGHT SO AND I JUST WANT TO GIVE MY OWN THOUGHT HERE AND IT REALLY REPRESENTS, I THINK, IDEAS AND DISCUSSIONS OF MY COLLEAGUES UP HERE IS THAT TO ME, THE BIGGEST BLIGHT.
THAT I CAN THINK OF IS VACANT, UNBELIEVABLE PROPERTY.
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AND WE HAVE TWO PARCELS, I WOULD SAY PIATT PLACE.AND WE NEVER REALLY TRULY ADDRESSED PIATT PLACE, AND WE'LL GET INTO THAT LATER.
AND THE TOWN, THE TOWN, NOT THE CRA, BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, ENDED UP WITH THE PROPERTY.
WE TRULY NEVER WERE DEALING WITH PIATT PLACE.
PEOPLE HAD UNREALISTIC IDEAS ABOUT IT BUT, AND THEN I SUBMIT SUNNY SANDS DEPENDING UPON WHAT IS BUILDABLE VERSUS NOT, MIGHT FALL IN THAT CATEGORY BECAUSE WE DON'T END UP WITH A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT SITS WITH A FENCE AROUND IT OR WHATEVER.
OKAY, THANKS. SO JUST LOOKING AT SOME OF THE FINANCIAL TRENDS OF WHERE WE WERE AND WHERE WE ARE TODAY, IN 2004, THE TAXABLE VALUE WAS OF OF ALL THE UPLANDS WAS APPROXIMATELY $167 MILLION.
BUT THEN IN 2034, IT'S ESTIMATED TO BE ALMOST $1,000,000,000 OF TAXABLE VALUE OF LAND, $900,900 MILLION. SO THAT'S A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE FROM THE 167 MILLION THAT WAS ORIGINALLY DOCUMENTED BACK IN 2004.
HERE IS ANOTHER A CASH FLOW OF THE PROPERTY TAX REVENUES THAT THAT WAS PROVIDED.
AND YOU CAN SEE AT THE END OF THE AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MR. REYNOLDS SUBMITTED TO YOU AND PRESENTED LAST YEAR, I THINK IT WAS IN SEPTEMBER WHEN YOU HAD YOUR BUDGET MEETING ON THE SIERRA WITH ABOUT 28 MILLION ANTICIPATED AT 2034 WHEN THE CRA SUNSETS.
BUT THE, ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS I THINK THAT IS ABOUT THIS IS THAT IF THERE'S ANY REMAINING MONEY LEFT OVER IN THIS TAX FUND, IT NEEDS TO GO BACK PER THE REQUIREMENTS TO THE TAXING ENTITY.
AND THAT'S THE TOWN OF JUPITER AND THAT'S PALM BEACH COUNTY.
SO ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF THAT 28 MILLION IS CASH FLOW FROM PALM BEACH COUNTY.
SO THE MAJORITY OF IT IS COMING FROM THE COUNTY.
CAN I ON THAT ONE I WANT TO JUST ASK ONE OF SCOTT JUST TO FOR ALL OF US UP HERE.
SO LOOKING AT THAT SLIDE AS AN EXAMPLE, IF YOU CAN BACK UP.
OH, SORRY. AS AN EXAMPLE, IN FISCAL YEAR 23, THE TOWN AVALON REVENUE THAT GOES TO THE CRA WAS 946,000; CORRECT? AND THEN IT'S FORECAST IN 2034 TO GO TO BASICALLY 1.75 MILLION THE YEAR AFTER THIS SUNSETS THAT GOES BACK TO THE GENERAL REVENUE. SO I'VE NEVER LOST SIGHT OF THE FACT THAT WHEN WE GET DONE DOING WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DOING, THIS MONEY WOULD THEN BE GOING BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND THAT IS. NEVER LOSE SIGHT OF THAT.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE HOLDINGS OF THE TOWN ARE UPGRADED AND MAINTAINED IN WHATEVER. SO WE'RE NOT TURNING OVER A HUGE OBLIGATION, IF YOU WILL.
THANK YOU. YOU'RE STEALING SOME OF MY THUNDER.
SO TO TALK ABOUT WE WENT OVER THE BACKGROUND JUST FOR THE PUBLIC AND FOR SOME OF YOU.
BUT REALLY, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE MEAT OF THE DISCUSSION IN ORDER TO GET TO.
AND AND THESE ARE JUST REALLY GENERAL TOPICS.
BUT WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE LATE THE CURRENT CONDITIONS IN THE PLAN.
LOOK AT WHAT POLICY CHANGES HAVE OCCURRED.
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WHAT ARE WE DOING? WHAT AREN'T WE DOING? WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO? THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. AND THEN ALSO AS PART OF THIS, AND IT'S THE OVERRIDING THEME.AND WHAT IS THE CONTEMPLATING THE FUTURE GOALS OF THE CRA ITSELF? IN THE LAST TEN YEARS.
SO TAKING THAT FIRST BITE OUT OF THIS APPLE IS THE UPDATING TO ADDRESS THE LATEST CONDITIONS.
SOME OF THOSE THINGS INCLUDE THINGS THAT ARE PRETTY STATUS.
WHAT'S THE STATUS INCREASE? THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS, THE NEW NEW DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE OCCURRED OVER HERE, THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED.
BUT THERE'S ALSO THINGS IN THE CRA PLAN.
FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE SOUTH, CRA, IF YOU LOOK AT THE LOCATION IN THERE, THERE'S A THERE'S A NOTE TO BUILD POTENTIAL TO BUILD A HOTEL IN THE SOUTHERN PORTION ON US ONE.
YOU KNOW, IS THAT SOMETHING WE STILL WANT TO CONSIDER? A HOTEL THERE IN THE CENTRAL PORTION OF THE CRA, THERE'S A MENTION, A REFERENCE TO THE TO THE HARBORSIDE 350,000 ANNUAL REPAY IN THERE.
SO WITH THE LATEST CHANGES AND THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT, THOSE SHOULD BE UPDATED TO TO BE INCLUDED.
BUT ALSO SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE CRA PLAN INCLUDE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED.
SO THESE ARE THINGS WE CAN CHECK OFF THE LIST.
WE'VE DONE THEM, WE'VE DONE THEM, WE'VE DONE THEM, AND THEN WE HAVE THE NEXT SET, WHICH IS PARTIALLY COMPLETED PROJECTS IN OUR CIP, WHICH ROADWAY NETWORKS THAT WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO DO TO ADDRESS THE BLIGHT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU ADDRESS BLIGHT IS THE THE TRANSPORTATION ISSUES OR OR LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND THINKING ABOUT THOSE THINGS GATEWAYS, RIVERWALK, THE LIGHTHOUSE PROMENADE.
AND THESE ARE JUST EXAMPLES OF THINGS.
SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE DONE RIVERWALK SIGN PROGRAM THAT I KNOW THATCHER THATCHER IS HERE.
HE'S A JUPITERIAN, BY THE WAY.
AND LIZZIE, THERE ARE TWO OF OUR NEWEST PLANNERS THAT WILL BE HELPING WORK ON THIS.
SO SO THERE'S A LOT OF BIG THINGS IN SOME SMALLER THINGS.
OUR FUNDED CRA PROJECTS THAT YOU ALL HAD AN UPDATE FROM MR. HERNANDEZ LAST NIGHT ON THE ROUND ABOUT THE RIVERWALK STABILIZATION, WHICH WE SHOWED A PICTURE HERE OF THE CURRENT CONDITIONS WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF EROSION, SHORELINE STABILIZATION, POTENTIAL LIVING SHORELINES THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING AND LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN AUGMENT THAT AND CREATE HABITAT AS WELL.
AND THEN THINGS LIKE LOVE STREET SIDEWALK ON THE EAST SIDE.
ONE THING I WOULD NOTE IS THE GATEWAY PROJECT.
SO THE NEXT ITEM IS IT'S A, WOULD BE A SEPARATE CRA.
NOW WE'RE ON CRA MEETING NUMBER THREE, IF YOU COUNT THIS ONE.
SO SOME OF THAT IDEAS, WHAT ARE THE ALIGNMENT WITH THE POLICY CHANGES THAT HAVE ALREADY OCCURRED? SOME OF THAT YOU GUYS HAVE HAVE INITIATED SAID TO STAFF, WE WANT TO MAKE THESE CHANGES.
THOSE THINGS NEED TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE CRA PLAN BECAUSE THE CRA PLAN SPEAKS TO A DIFFERENT BONUS PROGRAM AND SPEAKS TO INCENTIVES FOR DEVELOPERS. AND THEN ALSO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ADOPTED THAT THE COUNCIL ADOPTED WAS WHAT THE STATE CALLS THE PERIL OF FLOOD LEGISLATION, AND THAT'S TO ADDRESS RESILIENCY AND IMPACTS ON CLIMATE CHANGE.
WE ADOPTED THIS OBJECTIVE IN THE COASTAL MANAGEMENT ELEMENT, WHICH SPEAKS TO INCREASE COMMUNITY RESILIENCY, PROTECT PROPERTY AND INFRASTRUCTURE, CULTURAL AND NATURAL RESOURCES FROM IMPACTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE, INCLUDING SEA LEVEL RISE.
SO, SO THINKING ABOUT HOW THOSE STATE REQUIRED ITEMS THAT ARE IN THAT WE WERE REQUIRED TO ADDRESS IN OUR COMP PLAN SHOULD BE UTILIZED IN IN AND PART OF OUR POLICY CHANGES FOR THE CRA PLAN.
SO THEN WE COME IN THE SECOND SET OF POLICY CHANGES THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT.
THAT IS A SEPARATE ITEM AND THOSE.
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SAWFISH BAY.YOU KNOW, OPPORTUNITIES TO DO THAT MORE HERE AND CREATING MORE HABITAT CONDUCIVE TO SEAGRASS AND MARINE ENVIRONMENT, AREAS OF LOCAL IMPORTANCE, INCLUDING HISTORIC.
AND THEN PROMOTING MUSIC AND ARTS.
THINKING ABOUT, OK, THERE'S 147 ACRES OF SUBMERGED AND WATER.
SHOULD WE BE ADDRESSING DERELICT VESSELS AS PART OF THIS? AND THIS IS A PICTURE YOU CAN SEE OF THE VESSELS MOORED BEHIND PIATT PLACE WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE DERELICT, BUT THEY'RE IN OUR AREA AND THEY'RE IN OUR CRA BOUNDARY.
SO AGAIN, IF YOU AGREE THAT WE SHOULD PROCESS THIS IN THE WAY IN CHUNKS IN THE CRA HAVING SUBSEQUENT MEETINGS, THEN THE NEXT THIRD OR FOURTH, WHATEVER, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT NUMBER MEETING IT WOULD BE AT THIS POINT, BUT WE WOULD THEN TALK ABOUT THE CRA PROJECTS AND THOSE THINGS ARE LIKE, WHAT ARE WE? WHAT PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE CRA PLAN SHOULD, SHOULD THEY REMAIN? SHOULD THEY BE FUNDED? THERE ARE SOME THAT AREN'T.
THESE ARE NOT FUNDED, BUT THESE ARE THINGS AND WE'RE JUST PROVIDING A LIST.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE THE DETAILS RELATED TO THAT.
AND HERE ARE OTHER, HERE'S A LIST OF THE CONTINUING LIST OF OTHER PROJECTS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN FUNDED OR WHERE WE STILL HAVE MORE TO GO, LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY, INCLUDING THE RIVERWALK, OXBOW CROSSING, OR POTENTIAL OF WHAT THAT MAY LOOK LIKE OR COULD LOOK LIKE GIVEN OUR STRATEGIC PRIORITIES AND AND CHANGES IN OUR CODE.
SO IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE THINKING, IS THAT WE WOULD HAVE THREE MAIN PROJECTS, THREE MAIN ITEMS WITH THREE MORE WORKSHOP TYPE ROUNDTABLES WHERE WE WOULD TALK IN MARCH ABOUT THE LATEST CONDITIONS THAT NEED INCORPORATION.
AND THAT WOULD BE, HERE'S THE CRA PLAN, READ THROUGH THE WHOLE THING.
WE'LL GIVE YOU A LIST OF WHAT WE BELIEVE SHOULD CHANGE IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THE LATEST CONDITIONS AND PROVIDE THAT TO YOU SO WE CAN DO THE HOMEWORK FOR YOU AND YOU CAN DECIDE FOR YOURSELF.
AND THEN IN APRIL, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT WHAT CHANGING POLICIES HAVE HAVE OCCURRED, INCLUDING STRATEGIC PRIORITIES THAT SHOULD BE IN THE GOALS OR MAYBE IN THE GOALS FOR THE CRA PLAN ITSELF.
AND THEN IN MAY WE WOULD LOOK AT WHAT ARE THE FUTURE GOALS AND THEN THE PROJECTS THEN THAT WOULD SUPPORT THOSE GOALS THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT. THEN REPLACING OR MODIFYING WHAT'S IN THE CRA PLAN TODAY.
AND PRIOR TO EACH OF THOSE MEETINGS, WE WOULD HAVE PUBLIC INPUT RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING, AND THEN WE COULD ALSO BRING THAT INFORMATION UP SO THAT WE COULD WE COULD PROVIDE THAT TO YOU.
I MEAN, WE CAN GIVE THAT INFORMATION SO AND GET PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
AND THEN AFTER ALL OF THAT, THEN WE WOULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME.
WE'D PROBABLY NEED A COUPLE OF MONTHS TO DISSEMINATE EVERYTHING.
IF WE NEED ADDITIONAL MEETINGS TO GO OVER IT, THEN WE CAN.
BUT WE WOULD LOOK AT BRINGING BACK A DRAFT OF THE CRA PLAN BASED ON INPUT FROM THE COUNCIL, FROM THE CRA AND THE PUBLIC, AND THEN WE WOULD LOOK FOR HOPEFULLY ADOPTION THIS YEAR.
SO I THINK THAT WAS YES, THAT WAS MY LAST SLIDE.
I HAVE COMMENTS. BUT I WANT TO FIRST LEAVE IT TO MY COLLEAGUES IF YOU WANT TO COMMENT FIRST.
SURE. WELL, THIS WAS AN ITEM THAT WAS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO ME.
WANTS TO GET A NEW DIRECTION FOR THE CRA.
THE RESIDENTS HAVE SAID OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT THEY DIDN'T LIKE THEIR EXISTING DIRECTION, WHICH WAS YOU PROMOTE INFILL PROJECTS, ALL OF THE INTENSE DEVELOPMENT, AND THEY DON'T WANT A TOURIST DESTINATION DOWN IN THE INLAND VILLAGE.
SO THE QUESTION IS, WHERE DO WE GO? WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? ONE OF THE THINGS I FIND VERY INTRIGUING IS THE 147 ACRES OF WATER THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE CRA.
AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PERHAPS WE TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AT.
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I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN WERE AREAS FOR PLAY AND RECREATION.SO I'D LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, CONTINUING WORKING ON THE LIVING SHORELINE PROJECTS OR TRYING TO FIND A PLACE FOR A PADDLING TRAIL OR A SAFE SNORKELING TRAIL OR AND ALSO TO DEAL WITH ALL THOSE DERELICT NOT NECESSARILY ALL THE BOATS ARE DERELICT.
AND ONE COULD ARGUE THAT THAT'S A BLIGHT.
AND SO THAT WOULD FALL WITHIN THE CRA'S AUTHORITY.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THIS IS A GREAT START.
AND SO THOSE ARE SOME OF MY MY INITIAL THOUGHTS OR SOME PROJECTS ON THE LIST THAT CAME UP THAT I'VE SEEN THAT I KNOW THERE ARE DEFINITELY THINGS RESIDENTS HAVE SAID THEY DON'T WANT PREVIOUSLY.
SO AS WE GO THROUGH THOSE, I'LL IDENTIFY THOSE AND WE CAN DISCUSS THEM.
COMMISSIONER DELANEY? SURE, YEAH, I THINK.
WAS THIS YOUR IDEA TO BEGIN? YEAH, GREAT IDEA.
WHAT YOU JUST SAID SPARKED A QUESTION MIGHT BE KIND OF TECHNICAL.
SO ARE THE CRA BOUNDARY GOES OVER STATE SUBMERGED WATER? DOES THAT INCREASE OUR AUTHORITY TO REMOVE VESSELS IN THERE? IS IT MOOT OR IS IT WE I MEAN, WE NEED TO REVIEW THAT IN TERMS OF MARITIME LAW VERSUS HOME RULE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER.
DOES IT GIVE US ANY MORE USAGE OF THAT, LIKE FOR COUNCILORS? COUNCILOR SCHNEIDER'S DISCUSSION OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE SCUBA TRAILS OR JUST ACCESS FOR PEOPLE JUST TO USE ANY PART OF THE SHORELINE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? DO WE KNOW THAT OR IS IT? WELL, I MEAN, WITH THE RIVER WALK, IT IS A PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT.
SO TO PROVIDE RIVER WALK ALONG THAT WATERWAY THEREFORE GIVES ACCESS.
BUT ARE WE GOING TO ALLOW PEOPLE INTO IT? THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE SHOULD.
A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS JUST KIND OF CAME UP WHEN YOU WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE LIST OF THINGS THAT WERE COMPLETED, NOT COMPLETED, THE LIGHTHOUSE PROMENADE WAS GOING TO BE PAVED WITH PAVERS.
CORRECT. WAS THAT THE TOWN'S RESPONSIBILITY OR DO YOU REMEMBER THAT? I MEAN, THERE WAS THERE WAS A VISION OF HAVING IT CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT.
WE DIDN'T WE DIDN'T BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY USES.
WE JUST HAD A PARKING LOT NEXT TO IT.
THERE WAS A DESIRE TO NOT NECESSARILY PUT IN ALL THAT THAT UPGRADED PAVEMENT AT THAT TIME.
RIGHT. THAT IS NOT, THAT HAS JUST ASPHALT.
OK. AND I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING, THE FORMER GRAY PROPERTY DOWN THERE.
WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT? WAS THAT RESOLD? OR IS THAT UP FOR SALE? IT WAS RESOLD, BUT THEY HAVE NOT COME IN ANY APPLICATIONS FOR THAT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
OKAY. AND WHAT ABOUT THE THERE WAS ALWAYS TALK ABOUT THE THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE FROM BURT REYNOLDS OVER TO MAYBE THE GRAY PROPERTY OR THE UNINCORPORATED.
POLTECH. THAT'S STILL PART OF THE CRA PLAN.
SO THAT'S WHAT ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANTED.
YEARS AGO, IT DIDN'T WORK OUT.
IT JUST WAS NEVER BROUGHT TO A FINAL CONCLUSION.
AND THEN THERE WERE PLANS TO ANNEX AND THE PROPERTY THAT WAS SMILIN JACK'S? YEAH, SMILIN JACK'S MARINA TO ACTUALLY PUT THE EASEMENT ON THAT SIDE.
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IT WAS REALLY THE EXPECTATION THAT THERE BE EASEMENT ON BOTH SIDES OF THE PROPERTY TO MAKE A FULL COMPLEMENT.SO IT WASN'T BURDENING EITHER PROPERTY AS MUCH.
IT WOULD MORE OR LESS GO IN THERE, BUFFER AREAS ON THE EDGE OF THEIR PROPERTIES.
AND THEN THAT THAT DEVELOPMENT PLAN ENDED UP NOT BEING, I THINK, COST FEASIBLE FOR THE PERSON WHO WAS PROPOSING IT AND IT DIDN'T MOVE FORWARD. SO THAT PROPERTY REMAINS VACANT AND IT HAS CHANGED HANDS A COUPLE OF TIMES.
OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S IT FOR NOW.
THANK YOU. SO I ALSO WANTED SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO COME UP BOTH FOR THE CRA AND THE COMP PLAN.
AND I REMEMBER WHEN FIRST JOINING PLANNING AND ZONING AND WATCHING OLD VIDEOS OF THE LOVE STREET PROJECT FROM SO LONG AGO, THERE WAS A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WHO SAID, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THIS IS IN THE CRA PLAN.
AND SO THERE WAS A DISCONNECT.
OBVIOUSLY, NO ONE HAD SEEN THIS AREA PLAN OR READ IT OR KNEW WHAT IT SAID IT WAS.
AND I REMEMBER I'D ALSO LOOKED AT COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING SAYING, GEE, OUR COVER PAGES FROM 1998 AND IT GOES STRAIGHT INTO POLICY, 1.1.1, THERE'S NO NARRATIVE OR INTRODUCTION.
IT'S NOT ACCESSIBLE TO RESIDENTS.
SO, YOU KNOW, BUT THESE ARE LIVING DOCUMENTS OR SHOULD BE.
THIS HASN'T BEEN UPDATED IN 20 YEARS.
IT SHOULD BE A LIVING DOCUMENT AND TOOL.
IT'S TIME, JUST LIKE WE DO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR, YOU KNOW.
THAT'S KIND OF THE JOB THAT WE HAVE HERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE RESOURCE LIMITATIONS ARE IN TERMS OF PROJECTS.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO WORK WITHIN RESOURCE CONSTRAINTS AND I WANT TO LOOK AT THAT.
AND AS IT TURNS OVER, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE.
THE TOWN INHERITING PROJECTS THAT ARE IN GOOD SHAPE.
SO I DO WANT TO FOCUS JUST AROUND INFRASTRUCTURE.
I THINK IN TERMS OF THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED THIS MANY MEETINGS.
I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED AND I'D LIKE TO POSE THAT QUESTION TO COUNCIL AS WELL.
YOU KNOW, THAT CAN BE A LONGER DISCUSSION SOMETIMES, BE IT MAY I DON'T KNOW.
YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T A STRATEGIC ITEM WHICH WAS MENTIONED.
I'M SURE IT IS FOR YOU AS WELL.
SO JUST UNDERSTANDING THAT WORKLOAD.
BUT IF WE IF WE CAN REDUCE THE NUMBER OF MEETINGS THAT MAY BE GOOD AND, AND PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
YEAH. I MEAN I THINK THAT THAT'S GOOD.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NEEDED FOR EACH OF THOSE STEPS.
I THINK WHAT RESIDENTS CARE MOST ABOUT ARE THOSE FUTURE GOALS AND PROJECTS.
RIGHT. SO I DON'T YOU KNOW, I QUESTION THAT AS WELL.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST KIND OF MY THOUGHT.
I LIKE THE FOCUS ON INFRASTRUCTURE, GOOD GOVERNMENT, MAKING SURE IT TURNS OVER IN GOOD CONDITION TO THE TOWN THAT WE USE, THE RESOURCES PROVIDED TO US THAT WE'RE GOOD STEWARDS OF THIS PROGRAM AND AND THAT WE MAKE IT A BETTER MATCH WITH THE RESIDENTS AND MAKE IT MORE OF A LIVING DOCUMENT.
SO AND I HAD A QUESTION TO THE COUNTY HAD TO APPROVE THIS.
RAY, IS THAT RIGHT? BECAUSE SOME OF THEIR FUNDING THE REVENUE STREAM IN A WAY.
SO IF WE WERE TO AMEND THE PLAN, I KNOW IF YOU AMEND THE BOUNDARY, THE COUNTY HAS TO APPROVE THAT AMENDMENT, BUT DO THEY HAVE TO APPROVE AMENDED PLANS OR STRATEGIES? WHAT ROLE DO THEY PLAY IN THIS, IF ANY? NO, WE DON'T HAVE TO APPROVE THE AMENDED PLAN.
THEY'LL HAVE SOME. IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, THEY WILL HAVE SOME COMMENTS ON THE PLAN, LIKE THEY DO SOME OF OUR SOME OF THE TOWN'S OTHER MAJOR PLANNING INITIATIVES RECENTLY, LAST FIVE
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YEARS OR SO WHEN COMMUNITIES HAVE COME BACK IN TO AMEND OR EXPAND THEIR CRA AREA.THE COUNTY HAS BEEN NEGOTIATING WITH THEM TO CLAW BACK SOME OF THAT TAX REVENUE THAT WAS GOING 100% TO THAT COMMUNITY.
AND ANOTHER THING THAT WAS NOT MENTIONED WAS TO EXTEND THE TIME FRAME.
SO IT COULD BE IT'S EVEN AN OPTION TO EXTEND.
IT JUST WOULD HAVE TO GET APPROVAL.
INTERESTING. OTHERWISE, YOU HAVE OVERSIGHT ON THE PLAN ITSELF FOR THE BOUNDARIES THAT EXIST.
AND THAT'S WHERE THEY THEY CLAW BACK THE REVENUES, EVEN THEIR OWN.
I REPRESENT THE ONLY COUNTY CRA.
THEY EVEN DID IT TO THEIR OWN CRA.
AND THOSE AREAS AREN'T POPULAR WITH THE COUNTY.
I'VE HEARD THAT A NUMBER OF TIMES FOR A GOOD REASON FOR THEIR ON THEIR END BUT.
AND WE HAVE TEN YEARS LEFT THAT'S NOT, THAT'LL GO BY MORE QUICKLY THAN WE REALIZE.
SO IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO START TO ADDRESS THAT.
YEAH. MY, MY BIGGEST THING IS PI PLACE.
YOU KNOW, I'VE SAID THAT FROM THE MOMENT I GOT ELECTED AND BEING THAT THE TOWN OWNS IT, I HAVE ZERO INTEREST IN SELLING IT TO ANYBODY TO DEVELOP OTHER THAN FOR USE OF OUR OWN RESIDENCE AS A RECREATION STYLE AREA.
SO I THINK THAT'S A WAY THAT WE CAN ELIMINATE THE DERELICT VESSELS FROM THAT AREA AND MAYBE LOOK AT OTHER AREAS WHERE WE HAVE DERELICT VESSELS OR MOORED UP VESSELS THAT ARE PEOPLE ARE JUST CAMPING OUT ON TO MOVE THEM ALONG OUT OF THOSE AREAS BECAUSE THEY ARE SENSITIVE ENVIRONMENTALLY.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE ONE OF OUR TACTICS TO MOVE THOSE ALONG, GIVE PIATT PLACE, A HUGE NEEDED FACELIFT AND MAKE IT A RECREATION AREA, EXTRA TRUCK AND TRAILER PARKING FOR A BUSY HOLIDAY WEEKEND SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TRUCKS LITTERING THE SIDES OF US.
ONE, YOU KNOW, ON HOLIDAY WEEKENDS WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO USE BURT REYNOLDS PROGRAM.
SO THAT'S AS FAR AS CRA GOES THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN MY BIGGEST THING.
I KNOW WE'RE USING IT AS A LAY DOWN SITE RIGHT NOW, BUT AS SOON AS THAT IS COMPLETED AND THEY ARE READY TO MOVE OUT OF THERE, I WANT TO EXPEDITE A PLAN FOR PIATT PLACE.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE CHARACTER OF THE CRA.
FOR ME, THIS IS NOT ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND WE NEED TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER IDEA.
AND TO ME, I THINK FOCUS ON RECREATION, YOU KNOW, THE PLACE DOING SOMETHING WITH WITH THE WATER, THE ENVIRONMENTAL WOULD KIND OF ADD A NICE COMPONENT TO WHAT IS ALREADY THERE.
OTHERWISE, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT MORE RESTAURANTS.
YOU KNOW, RETAIL ISN'T WORKING, MAYBE SOME MORE TOWNHOMES SHOEHORNED IN TO THOSE TYPE PLACES.
AND SO TO ME, YOU KNOW, WHAT COUNCIL MAY IS TALKING ABOUT IS A REALLY GOOD A GOOD WAY TO, YOU KNOW, GO TOWARDS SATISFYING RECREATION AND, YOU KNOW, TAKING CARE OF THE WATER AND THE SHORELINE.
I WANT TO, I WAS NEVER IN ANY HURRY TO SELL IT TO ANY PRIVATE ENTITY.
I'VE BEEN APPROACHED A FEW TIMES BY A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
GENTLEMEN, WANT TO MEET WITH THEM FOR LUNCH THING.
IS. IS THAT EVEN FEASIBLE? IS IT? CAN YOU EVEN HAVE DOCKS THERE OR WOULD IT BE SPECIAL PERMITTING INVOLVED OR THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE THE LAGOON IS SHARED WITH BURT REYNOLDS PARK AND THERE'S UPLAND CLOSE TO THAT WATERWAY.
SO THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO TO LOOK AT DOCKS THERE.
YOU KNOW, MOST OF HYATT PLACE HAS NOT JUST THE MANGROVE FOREST THAT WE OWN, BUT IT ALSO HAS ANOTHER AREA ON THE OUTSIDE OF THAT WITH MANGROVE FORESTS THAT'S OWNED BY THE STATE.
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IS IT LIKE A TIDAL ISLAND, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM OR A BAR? DOES IT COME OUT OF THE WATER? BUT YOU CAN'T SEE IT BECAUSE IT'S MANGROVES? IS IT SOMETHING LIKE THAT? ON THE BACKSIDE? ON THE BACKSIDE, ON THE.I MEAN, WE'VE WALKED BACK AS I'VE NEVER BEEN DOWN THERE.
SO, YEAH, WE PULLED OUT EXOTICS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO IN TWO PHASES, BUT THERE'S THERE IS UPLAND ON THE BACK SIDE ABOUT TEN FEET AND IT WAS FILLED IN SO AND THEN WE REMOVED THE EXOTICS THERE AND THEN ONCE WE DID THAT THE MANGROVES JUST REALLY, JUST WANT TO PROLIFERATE. BUT THERE IS A LITTLE SPOT ON THE NORTH SIDE TOWARDS BURT REYNOLDS THAT HAS APPROXIMATELY IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT 80 OR 90 FEET, BUT THEN IT STARTS TO NARROW IN TOWARDS THE STREET THAT HAS UPLANDS.
SO THERE'S POSSIBILITY OF ACCESS TO THE WATER WITHOUT SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTING MANGROVES.
IN THAT AREA, THEY HAVE A VERY LONG CONTINUOUS DOCK THAT RUNS ON THE BORDER OF THE MANGROVES, KIND OF IT ALMOST KIND OF PROTECTS THE MANGROVES BECAUSE THEY'RE ON THE INSIDE OF IT. BUT THAT AREA, BECAUSE THEY PUT THAT IN, IT PROTECTS IT FROM VESSELS BEING ABLE TO MOOR UP.
NOW, IF IT WAS DEEP ENOUGH, OBVIOUSLY, YOU COULD PROBABLY PULL A BOAT UP THERE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, GIVE THE PUBLIC ACCESS TO GET UP ONTO THAT PROPERTY AND UTILIZE IT IF THEY NEEDED TO. BUT IT DOES GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY POSING AS A PUBLIC DOCK TO KEEP THE VESSELS FROM MOORING WITHIN 500 FEET.
SO AND WE WOULD NEED I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, WE NEED TO DO SEAGRASS SURVEYS AND AND LOOK AT ALL OF THAT.
BUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO THINKING ABOUT THESE MARINE FACILITIES AS A WAY TO PROTECT THE NATURAL RESOURCES AND TO GROW SEA GRASSES, TO PREVENT MARINE VESSELS FROM ENTERING, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE THOUGHT OF BECAUSE THESE THESE FACILITIES DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE JUST IMPACTING.
WE'VE ALREADY GOT AN ANTHROPOGENIC SITUATION WITH THE MARINE ENVIRONMENT.
IT'S ALL MANMADE. WE'VE WE'VE WE'VE CHANGED EVERYTHING.
SO CREATING A BASICALLY A REEF WITH MARINE ENVIRONMENT THAT PROVIDES FOR A STRUCTURE THAT IS STRENGTHENED WITH THAT DOCK IS IS A REAL SOMETHING.
AND IF YOU GO BY THAT RIGHT NOW, YOU LOOK, THERE ARE SEVERAL SAILBOATS THAT SIT RIGHT THERE.
NOW IT'S PROBABLY LIKE SIX OR EIGHT FEET, BUT THEY HAVE FAIRLY LARGE SCALES THAT COME DOWN.
SO IT CAUSES IT TO LIST ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER.
AND IF WE CAN INCORPORATE SOME NON-MOTORIZED RECREATION ALSO FOR PADDLERS AND AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT AREAS WHERE WE COULD GO SNORKELING, BUT IT'S VERY DANGEROUS.
NUMBER ONE, I THINK STAFF DID A GREAT JOB ON KICKING THIS OFF, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE PROPOSAL BY COMMISSIONER SNYDER.
I WANT TO SHARE AND AS WE SPEAK ABOUT THIS, I WANT TO BE CAREFUL.
I'M NOT WORRYING ABOUT CRITIQUE TO MYSELF, BUT WHAT SOMEBODY THOUGHT IN AN IMAGINED 20 YEARS AGO.
IT'S HISTORY. REALLY? LOOK, WE GOT 11 YEARS.
I MEAN, REALLY, 11 YEARS IS NOT A LONG HORIZON.
AND SO, AGAIN, I WANT TO SET EXPECTATIONS.
FIRST OF ALL, I THINK IT'S AN UNREALISTIC EXPECTATION TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT ANY ONE OF US WANT IN ONE REVISION TO THE PLAN. I THINK WE SHOULD DO PLAN FOR REVISION THIS YEAR.
WE MUST DO THERE'LL BE STUFF THAT WE WANT TO STUDY AND PONDER ABOUT AND WE COME BACK NEXT YEAR.
I THINK THAT'D BE THE BEST EFFICIENT WAY TO DO IT.
I'D LIKE US TO. I'D LIKE US TO WHEN WE AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, TRULY THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN IF WE CAN KIND OF STRUCTURE IT THAT WAY.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS SET AT A SCALE OF INTENSE, MORE INTENSE DEVELOPMENT AS AS WE SAID.
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SOME OF THAT INTENSITY, LIKE YOU ASKED ABOUT THE COMMISSIONER DELANEY ASKED ABOUT THE LIGHTHOUSE PROMENADE.AND WE DIDN'T ALL AGREE TO THAT.
SO SO NUMBER ONE IS I DO THINK WE HAVE TO SPEND THE TIME TO DO IT RIGHT.
AND I THINK THAT AND WE DON'T WANT TO LIKE, DRAG IT OUT.
SO IF WE CAN SOMEHOW DO A PHASE ONE TO DO SOME SIGNIFICANT CUTS AND RESHAPING, BUT THERE'LL BE STUFF THAT WILL TABLE FOR FURTHER STUDY AND THOUGHT TIME ON OUR PART.
PATIENCE. PERSONALLY, I BELIEVE FOR ALL OF US, SETTING A REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS IS IMPORTANT.
THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO CHANGE THE THOUGHT IT COULD BE DONE, YOU KNOW, IN THIS YEAR.
BUT WE HAVE TO DO IT THIS YEAR.
BUT KIND OF A GROSS, I WOULD ASK THAT.
I THINK SCOTT IS THE ONE WHO PROVIDES THIS.
BUT CAN YOU PROVIDE US WITH WHAT QUALIFIES FOR SIERRA FUNDING? I KNOW ULTIMATELY WE HAVE TO ASK YOU THAT, BUT IF YOU'LL GIVE US WHATEVER YOU CAN, REALIZING WE STILL HAVE TO COME BACK AND ASK WITH YOU.
BUT FOR EXAMPLE, CAN WE BUY PROPERTY WITH IT? I MEAN, JUST, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN YOU CAN YOU EDUCATE ALL OF US ON WHAT THAT IS REALIZING? WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR THE PERFECT GUIDANCE, JUST SOME.
AGAIN, WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO COME FORTH.
YOU KNOW, I'M JUST USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE.
RIGHT. AND WE'VE LEARNED A LOT ABOUT THE DOWNSIDES OF PUBLIC DOCS.
SO I JUST USE THAT THAT OUGHT TO BE ONE THAT WE REALLY OUGHT TO TOUCH.
VERY QUICKLY. I'M HOPING WE CONDUCT THE MEETING.
EXACTLY. THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN.
BUT IN THAT CASE, YOU WOULDN'T THUMBS IT DOWN.
YOU'D COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT NUMBER.
RIGHT? RIGHT. SO I'M JUST SAYING.
YOU KNOW, WE NEVER HAD A PLAN FOR THAT.
WE NEED TO HAVE A PLAN IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS.
WHAT THAT WOULD BE THERE'S THERE WAS A STUDY ON THAT.
I MEAN, I ALWAYS IMAGINED POTENTIALLY IF WE WERE TO SELL IT, THEN THAT'S TOWN REVENUES.
AND I WAS LOOKING FOR THAT FOR TOWN FUNDING, QUITE FRANKLY.
SO, YOU KNOW, ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, AS AS COMMISSIONER DELANEY SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD PEOPLE APPROACH US AND ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO SOMEBODY APPROACHED ME AND I KICKED IT OFF TO OUR TOWN MANAGER AT THE TIME BECAUSE I TRY TO KEEP HANDS OFF TO THAT.
WHAT I WAS INTRIGUED ABOUT WAS ONE OF THE OPTIONS THEY THOUGHT WAS FOR SOME TYPE OF DOC ONLY.
AND SO HERE WE ARE, A LITTLE BIT OF DISCUSSION HERE WE DON'T REALLY KNOW, RIGHT? SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT WOULD BE A SMALL STUDY IS LIKE WHAT REPAIRING RIGHTS ASSETS COULD EVEN HAPPEN THERE JUST SO WE KNOW ABOUT IT.
SO WE'RE NOT CLOSE MINDED ABOUT IT.
RIGHT. BUT I MEAN THAT'S BEEN KICKED AROUND FOR YEARS.
WHEN I WHEN I HEARD THAT FROM THE INQUIRY TO BUY THE PROPERTY, FIRST REACTION I GOT FROM A TOWN MANAGER, DIFFERENT TOWN MANAGER WAS YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING THERE.
BUT LET'S JUST CONFIRM YOU CAN WRITE IF BECAUSE IF YOU CAN, I THINK I WAS HEARING COMMISSIONER SNYDER SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHETHER OR NOT IN WATER IMPROVEMENTS CAN BE PART OF WHAT WE'RE PLANNING.
RIGHT. SO THAT WOULD BE AN AREA THAT WHAT ARE THE WATER ASSETS OVER THERE? THE SO I'M JUST USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE HERE THAT I THINK WE COULD MAKE A DECISION ABOUT THAT UNTIL WE KNEW WHAT ARE THE WHAT ARE THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE MIGHT EVEN BE ABLE TO DO, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S FUNDABLE OR NOT.
SERIOUS MONIES CAN BE USED FOR FOR CONDUCTING STUDIES, RIGHT, IF WE WANT.
AND BY THE WAY, I'M JUST WE'RE JUST THROWING OUT IDEAS.
WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND HAVE CONSENSUS ABOUT IT.
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I'M NOT YOU KNOW, I WISH IT WASN'T THERE.SO IT REALLY LIMITS WHAT YOU COULD DO PERSONALLY, BUT I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.
BUT I CERTAINLY WANT TO CLOSE LOOP ON IS THERE ANY RIPARIAN BENEFITS TO THAT PROPERTY THAT WE'RE NOT LOSE SIGHT OF, YOU KNOW, THE GAPS IN THE IN THE RIVERWALK? FIRST OF ALL, LET'S AGAIN MAKE SURE WE'RE CELEBRATING SUCCESSES.
WE'VE GOT RIVER WALK FROM THE SIERRA AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET SOME OF IT WITH FINE GRANTS AND OTHER THINGS IN DEVELOPER CONTRIBUTIONS. SO WE REALLY LEVERAGED WELL THAT AND PUT GAPS IN THE IN THAT WE NEVER KNEW WHETHER WE WOULD EVER FINISH THE INLET. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S UNDERSTOOD.
RIGHT. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT FROM A TEN YEARS OUT PERSPECTIVE, WE NEVER KNEW, UNLIKE, YOU KNOW, SOUTH OF INDIAN TOWN, WE NEVER KNEW IF YOU'D EVER BE ABLE TO CONNECT IT FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT.
AND SO WE NEED TO AND I'M JUST TELLING HISTORY.
HISTORY DOESN'T MATTER OTHER THAN I'M JUST TELLING YOU, SINCE WE NEVER HAD THAT, THEN MAYBE IT'S A.
OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO ACCEPT THAT AS A STATEMENT OF FACT.
SAY IT OR NOT, WE NEVER HAD A.
WE NEVER HAD A CLEAR NORTHEASTERN TERMINUS.
IT NEVER WAS TO GO, YOU KNOW, IT WAS SEA MAYBE TO THE BOATHOUSE THAT NO LONGER IS THERE.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT MAY BE ONE THAT BECOMES NEXT YEAR.
BUT FOR ME, I THINK IT SHOULD END WHERE IT IS.
I REALLY WOULD NOT SUPPORT EXTEND.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S THE POINT OF THE CHANGES THAT WOULD GO IN THE PLAN.
I'M JUST POINTING IT OUT. WE NONE OF US EVER FULLY DEFINED IT TO AGREE TO IT.
IT WAS GOING TO HAVE TO HAPPEN AND WE WOULD DECIDE AT THAT POINT IN TIME, I THINK, YOU KNOW, STORM WATER, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THIS IS A LOW LYING PROPERTY AND.
STORMWATER UPGRADES WERE DONE TO PUT IN FRENCH DRAINS THAT WERE MADE AVAILABLE TO PROPERTY OWNERS AS OPPOSED TO THEM HAVING TO CONSUME SOME OF THEIR PROPERTY.
AND THIS IS JUST AN UNOFFICIAL ACTION ITEM.
ASK IS THAT, GEE, YOU KNOW, WITH RISING SEA LEVEL, THOSE FRENCH DRAINS MAY NOT BE AS EFFECTIVE IN TRULY TAKING STORMWATER.
AND I'D LIKE THAT TO BE ASKED, SINCE YOU MENTIONED A LACK AN ANSWER TO THAT, SINCE TO THE DEGREE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DEALING WITH THAT RIGHT, THEN LET'S COME TO GRIPS WITH THAT.
LIKE IS THAT EVEN GOING TO STILL WORK? BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY FUNDAMENTAL, YOU KNOW, THE PROJECTS.
NOT ONLY STORED ITS TREATMENT OF THE RUNOFF WATER AND WHATEVER.
SO I'D LIKE TO GET THAT ANSWER.
BUT AGAIN, USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE, THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE ANSWERED FOR THIS UPDATE.
RIGHT? THAT'S GOING TO BE LET'S LOOK AT IT.
LET'S COME BACK AND SAY, DO WE HAVE AN ISSUE HERE THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER WHAT IS GOING TO BE DONE? AND THEN THEN THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING REASONABLY WOULD BE NEXT YEAR IT COMES BACK AND WE KIND OF DECIDE UPON THAT THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE TO.
FROM YOU KNOW PLACE JUST DO WE WANT THAT WHAT IS ITS PURPOSE AGAIN.
AGAIN NOTHING. I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING HERE YOU ALL HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT.
AND HERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT THAT CLARITY IN, AND I SUGGEST WE NEED TO.
IS THERE A WAY TO GET AN ESTIMATE ON THE COST OF REMOVAL OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S ON THAT PROPERTY, THE CONCRETE, THE FOUNDATION? RIGHT. RIGHT. WE'VE ACTUALLY STARTED LOOKING AT THAT.
YEAH. SO I GUESS WE SHOULD EVERYBODY'S KIND OF COMMENTED, BUT I GUESS WE NEED TO DISCUSS LESS STAFF.
HAS ANYTHING ELSE THE FRAMEWORK FOR THE CONTINUATION HERE? BUT I SAW STAFF TAKING GOOD NOTES ON WHAT WE HAVE HERE.
BUT SOME STUFF CAN BE PUT IN THIS PILE OVER HERE TO STUDY FOR NEXT YEAR.
BUT COME BACK BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO AGREE WHAT GETS PUT OFF.
ALTHOUGH I'VE KIND OF ALREADY GAVE YOU MY IDEA, THAT'S I KNOW IT CAN'T BE DONE IMMEDIATELY WHEN WE HAVE TO INVESTIGATE MORE LIKE PILOT PLACES AND NEXT YEAR KIND OF DECISION. THE STORM ORDER SYSTEM IS A DIFFERENT NEXT YEAR AND I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT OFF, BUT BECAUSE WE STILL SHOULD TAKE A PRETTY ROUGH CUT WITH THE THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN, LIKE
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GOING THROUGH THE DOCUMENT.THAT WOULD BE THE DISCUSSION WE HAVE IN MAY.
I'M JUST SAYING WHAT WOULD BE THIS YEAR VERSUS NEXT YEAR? AND THEN LET'S TALK ABOUT THE IF WE AGREE TO HAVE TO BE SPLIT OVER A COUPLE OF YEARS, THEN NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT THE MARCH, APRIL, MAY, WHAT HAVE YOU. FOR ME, THE IMPORTANT THING IS, IS THE FRAMEWORK AND THE GOALS, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, THE GOALS THAT ARE THERE ARE NO LONGER REALLY RELEVANT ANYMORE.
SO TO ME, THE FIRST STEP IS WHAT DO WE WANT THIS AREA TO LOOK LIKE? AND THEN I AGREE. THEN WE ONCE WE UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE GOING, THEN WE BREAK DOWN THE PROJECTS AND PHASES.
BUT I THINK WE NEED TO SEEMS TO ME IN THE NEXT MEETING REALLY KIND OF DRILL DOWN ON WHAT IT IS, WHAT'S THE VISION AND WHAT'S GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN ACHIEVING THAT VISION AND THEN BREAK DOWN SORT OF THE THE PHASES? I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU PRACTICALLY GET TO THAT POINT.
CERTAINLY WE CAN. AND I AGREE WITH YOU.
WE NEED THAT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO COME TO.
THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO IT.
ONE ONE WAY IS TO DO THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN AND ELIMINATE WHAT'S IN THERE.
YEAH, BUT WHAT'S THE CRITERIA? I MEAN, WE'RE THUMBS UP, SOME THUMBS DOWN BASED ON WHERE ARE WE GOING.
SO IS THE GOAL, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE I'VE SAID, OR COUNSEL FOR COMMISSIONER MAY HAVE SUGGESTED, YOU KNOW, INCREASE RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES DOWN IN THE INLAND VILLAGE, CHANGE THE DIRECTION TO MORE IN THAT THAT WAY.
AND FOR ME, THAT'S WHAT'S ALWAYS BEEN MISSING IS THE GOAL.
AND TO ME THAT IS THE FIRST STEP AND I'M ALL FOR THAT.
I THINK CERTAINLY I AGREE WITH YOU.
I STILL THINK TO SOME DEGREE, SOME SOME THUMBS DOWN ON WHAT'S IN THERE ALREADY SENSE.
SO COUNCIL COMMISSIONER SUNDSTROM, VERY QUICKLY, SO SOME OF THAT QUICKLY SHOWS, OKAY, WE GOT A CONSENSUS HERE, RIGHT? SOME OF THIS PLAN.
WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF NODDING.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF CONSENSUS ON WHAT WE'RE ALL SAYING.
I THINK WE'VE ALL BEEN THINKING THIS.
I THINK WE ALL HAVE A SIMILAR APPROACH TO IT THAT'S GOING TO COME OUT.
BUT I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SCHNEIDER ON THE PROCESS.
I THINK YOU HAVE TO START AT THE TOP WITH THE GOALS AND THEN SEE HOW THE PROJECTS THAT WE THAT HAVEN'T BEEN COMPLETED YET OR IN PROCESS HOW THOSE FIT INTO IT, AND THEN THAT'S A THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN AND THEN LOOK AT FUTURE PROJECTS AND STUDIES.
I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT FRAMEWORK WORKED OUT FIRST, THE HIGH LEVEL FRAMEWORK.
SO AND I GUESS THE GOALS ARE IN THE SIERRA PLAN, RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHERE WE GO.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'D MOVE IT TO.
WELL WE RESET THE LEASES FOR THAT OR THE TOWN PARKING LOT.
IT WAS CONTENTIOUS A FEW YEARS AGO.
WAS IT A FIVE YEAR PLAN, MAYOR SOMETHING? LIKE THAT. BUT BASICALLY WE HAVE PROJECTS THAT ARE BOUND TO PROVIDE PARKING.
AND THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN PROVIDE IT IS THROUGH THE TOWN PARKING LOT.
I JUST DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE PLACES, THEY JUST SORT OF MORPHED OVER TIME AND GREW.
AND IF WE TOOK AWAY THE TOWN PARKING LOT WHERE THEY GO, THEY DON'T GO ANYWHERE.
SO IT'S JUST IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A LOOSE END HANGING OUT THERE.
SO I WOULD AND IT IS AND I AGREE.
AND I NEVER WAS SUPPORTIVE OF GETTING INTO THE PARKING BUSINESS.
BUT CERTAINLY WE START FROM I HOPE WE HAVE A CONSENSUS NOT TO EXPAND IT.
SO PARKING SPACES AND PARK PARKWAY STREET KEPT SHRINKING AS THE PROCESS WENT ALONG.
AND THAT'S A LONG WALK, ACTUALLY.
YEAH, THAT IS A THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER CONVERSATION.
I THINK IT'S JUST ONE LESS LEVEL OF STRESS FOR THAT.
PEOPLE THAT LEASE SPACE THAT THEY WANT TO WORRY ABOUT ANYMORE.
SO THAT'S SORT OF MY THOUGHT ON IT.
THAT'S A GOOD POINT. WHEN WE PUT IT.
I MEAN, WE IMPROVED IT, RIGHT? SO WE INVESTED IN THAT.
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HAVE NO OPTION ON THAT.SO. IS A SUGGESTION, THEN WE NEED TO MOVE FORTH WITH THE MAY 1ST THE MAY AGENDA. BECAUSE YOU SAY IN THE FUTURE GOALS AND PROJECTS.
STAFF HAD PROPOSED DISCUSSING CONDITIONS THAT NEED INCORPORATED.
AND I. HEARING WE REALLY NEED TO DO THAT FIRST.
I WONDER, YOU KNOW, MARCH IS KIND OF LIKE THE DEVELOPMENT CONTEXT, RIGHT? THE CONTEXT IN WHICH THIS PLAN IS TAKING PLACE SO THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME THAT WILL TAKE ON OUR END OR YOURS.
RIGHT. THAT COULD BE MORE WORK ON STAFF.
SO MARCH COULD BE JUST THAT DEVELOPMENT CONTEXT, UPDATING IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT NEEDS PUBLIC INPUT, TO BE HONEST.
YOU'RE SAYING PRIOR TO EACH MEETING.
APRIL CONSIDER ALIGNING THE SIERRA PLAN WITH CHANGING POLICIES.
THE SIERRA PLAN CONTAINS THOSE GOALS.
YOU KNOW, MAKE BE LIKE DEVELOP FUTURE PROJECTS, KEEP IT PROJECT LEVEL AND MOVE GOAL UP TO APRIL AND HAVE IT BE THAT BIGGER PICTURE DISCUSSION ABOUT FRAMEWORK AND GOALS ALIGNING WITH OUR STRATEGIC PRIORITIES AND POLICIES.
AND THEN MAY WILL JUST BE THE PROJECT LEVEL OF FUTURE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN, PROJECTS THAT WE'VE ALREADY GOT GOING, YAY OR NAY, BUT KEEP IT AT THAT LOWER PROJECT LEVEL.
JUST A THOUGHT. I MEAN, FOR ME, THE THOUGHT IS, AS I'VE SAID, WE NEED TO HAVE THE GOALS FIRST, SO THE SOONER WE CAN GET THAT BECAUSE THAT PROVIDES THE CONTEXT FOR EVERYTHING ELSE. I FEEL LIKE THE CONTEXT INFORMS THE GOALS, BUT GOALS.
PROJECTS. I MEAN, THE RESIDENTS HAVE SPOKEN FOR YEARS ABOUT WHAT THEY DON'T WANT.
SO COULD WE COMBINE MARCH AND APRIL SINCE DEVELOPMENT? IS LITERALLY LIKE JUST NUMBERS OF HOUSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT OR A LOT OF.
YEAH, BUT YEAH, WE COULD COMBINE THAT.
IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A LONGER MEETING.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE KIND OF BROKE IT UP IN THIS FORMAT SO THAT IT THAT WOULD BE SHORTER.
AND YOU DON'T HAVE ONE NIGHT OF MEETINGS, YOU HAVE SIERRA THEN COUNCIL.
SO BUT IF YOU COMBINE THOSE TWO, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN COVER IT IN ONE HOUR I.
WE GOT TO, WE GOT TO BEST THE TIME TO GET TO DO THIS.
SO I DON'T WANT I WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT.
THANK YOU FOR LOOKING OUT FOR US AS WELL AS YOURSELF TO KEEP IT AT ONE HOUR.
SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, LOOK TO STAFF TO COME BACK.
BUT WE SHOULD JUST GET RIGHT IN THE GOALS.
FIRST OF ALL, I THINK IT WAS SET UP HERE.
I'D BE OFF SURPRISED THAT WE DON'T HAVE AGREEMENT ON THAT.
SO. HOWEVER, STAFF THINKS WE COULD STRUCTURE THAT SO THAT YOU HEAR IT IN A MEETING THAT WE DO HAVE AGREEMENT SO THAT BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE ASSIGNMENT THEN OF WRITING UP WHAT YOU THINK YOU HEARD US SAY, RIGHT.
WE'RE NOT ALWAYS CLEAR. SO THAT WASN'T ANY.
DON'T TAKE THAT WRONG WHEN I SAID IT.
BUT BUT ULTIMATELY YOU'RE GOING TO BE WRITING IT UP.
I THINK YOU'VE HEARD A LOT OF THAT NOW ALREADY.
RIGHT? YOU PROBABLY HAVE AN IDEA OF THE SHELL OF A NEW GOALS, DO YOU? OF COURSE.
BUT IN TERMS OF PROCESS, ARE WE AGREED ON THE PROCESS GOALS BEFORE PROJECTS? BIGGER PICTURE AGREED.
AND THEN WE CAN JUST COMBINE THE CONTEXT AND GOALS TOGETHER, I THINK IS AND WE CAN PROVIDE THAT TO YOU OF WHAT WE THINK THAT CONTEXT SHOULD BE BASED ON WHAT IS THE CURRENT STATUS, AND THEN WE'LL PROVIDE THE AT THE SAME, BUT THAT'LL BE A LITTLE BIT LONGER MEETING AND THEN PROJECTS IS GOING TO
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BE A SECOND MEETING.RIGHT. SO BOTH OF THOSE YOU THINK WOULD PUBLIC COMMENT.
YEAH. OKAY. 30,000 FEET IN THE SUN.
I'M JUST GOING TO REQUEST THAT WE JUST MAKE SURE IT'S BROKEN UP SO THAT WE CAN DO THIS BEFORE TOWN COUNCIL MEETINGS, BECAUSE THIS MULTIPLE MEETING THING A WEEK FOR ME DOESN'T REALLY WORK. I HAVEN'T SEEN MY FAMILY LIKE FOR DAYS.
IF IT NEEDS TO BE IN CHUNKS, THAT'S FINE.
BUT I JUST WOULD REQUEST THAT WE DO IT BEFORE A TOWN COUNCIL MEETING.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE OFF WEEK.
WE CAN HAVE A TOWN COUNCIL MEETING ONE DAY, ONE WEEK, AND THEN THE C.R.A.
DO WE HAVE? DO WE HAVE A LIST OR COULD WE FIND OUT BESIDES THE SUNNY STANDS PROPERTY AND THE OLD GREAT PROPERTY? WHAT ARE POTENTIAL OPEN PARCELS OF LAND THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED OR SOLD THERE? DOWN THE ROAD? IS THERE MUCH LEFT DOWN THERE? WELL, WE COULD GIVE YOU A MAP BASED ON AGE OF STRUCTURES THAT MAY GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO THEN DETERMINE THE POTENTIAL FOR ITS REDEVELOPMENT.
BECAUSE AS ONE DEVELOPERS ONCE TOLD ME, YOU WILL NEVER BE DONE DEVELOPING.
RIGHT? AND WE'RE KIND OF MORPHING INTO THE WHOLE REDEVELOPMENT PHASE IN THIS TOWN ANYWAY, SO.
WHAT WOULD THE PUBLIC INPUT LOOK LIKE, OR ARE THERE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW TO INVOLVE THE PUBLIC IN THIS DELIBERATION? IT'S JUST SOME INITIAL THOUGHTS WOULD BE IF WHATEVER'S BEING PRESENTED TO COUNCIL IS WHAT WE WOULD PRESENT TO THE PUBLIC PRIOR TO THE MEETING, AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
I MEAN, GRANTED, IT WOULDN'T BE ALL TYPED UP AND READY TO GO, BUT WE WOULD HAVE SOME GENERAL IDEA OF WHERE WE ARE SO THAT IN ONE NIGHT POTENTIALLY WE WOULD HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AND AND CRA BOARD COMMENTS.
AND THEN IF BY THE NEXT MEETING WE COULD HAVE THAT UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT ALL THOSE COMMENTS WERE FOR THE FOLLOW UP MEETING, KIND OF LIKE MINUTES FOR BOTH PUBLIC AND MINUTES FOR THE CRA, BUT WHATEVER, WHATEVER.
IF YOU HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS, WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU.
AND ALSO, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE'D WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY RELATIONS AND PART OF THAT INTENT WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC WAS WELL INFORMED ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON AND WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE MEANINGFUL COMMENT TO THE CRA.
AND NOT THAT IT WOULD JUST BE ABSENT OF THEM MAKING COMMENT TO YOU, BUT THAT THEY'RE WELL INFORMED.
WE FIGURED WE WOULD KIND OF MATURE A LITTLE BIT IF WE WERE DOING THIS IN STEPS.
WE COULD ALTER IT AS WE MOVE ALONG.
WE HAVE TO STICK TO THE SAME FORMAT.
AS IT RELATES TO THE PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT, TO THE DEGREE THAT I THINK MANY OF US, ALL OF US ARE ACTING ON PUBLIC INPUT. I PERSONALLY FEEL LIKE WE HAVE SOME SENSE FOR WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE AND WE OUGHT TO MATURE IT BEFORE WE ROLL IT OUT.
WE REACT TO IT BEFORE WE GET PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO THEY COULD COMMENT ON THE DRAFT.
NOT THE PRIVATE IN THEM BUT BUT MORE RESPECT IN THEIR TIME.
AND I'M HAPPY TO HAVE MEETINGS BEFORE TOWN COUNCIL MEETINGS COME EARLIER IF WE NEED TO, OR PUSH THE COUNCIL MEETING BACK SO THAT WE CAN HAVE TIME TO DO IT IF THAT IS BETTER FOR EVERYONE ELSE, I'M FLEXIBLE.
SO I JUST MY THING IS I WORK A 24 HOUR SHIFT, SO THAT'S TWO NIGHTS A WEEK.
THEN I'M NOT HOME. AND THEN LAST NIGHT DIDN'T GO HOME TILL LIKE 1030.
I'M WILLING TO WORK AROUND YOUR SCHEDULE.
I APPRECIATE IT. ONE OF THE MEETING AT YOUR HOUSE.
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THAT'S ME. I'VE GOT A NICE BOWL.I'LL SMOKE. I'LL SMOKE SOME RIBS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
UNHELPFUL OF THE COMBINED MEETINGS IS ON A LIGHTER.
COUNCIL MEETING THAT WOULD HELP IF WE GO THAT ROUTE.
AND SO AND THESE FOLKS HAVE BEEN.
SO WE'RE BEING RESPECTFUL OF YOUR TIME.
BUT ALSO EQUALLY IMPORTANT IS RESPECT, RESPECTFUL OF STAFF'S TIME.
REGARDING THIS, WE KNOW WHAT'S IMPORTANT.
AND SO THE REASON WHY WE, YOU KNOW, AGREED TO SCHEDULE THIS EVENING IS BECAUSE WE KNEW THIS WOULD TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER TO FLUSH OUT THE INITIAL STAGES AND THEN BRING BACK PIECE BY PIECE THE PARTS OF THE PLAN SO WE DON'T FALL BEHIND.
AND THEN WE CAN REALLY FOCUS ON THE PARTICULARS OF WHATEVER THE MAIN TIME PLACE.
AND THEN I WOULD IMAGINE THAT IN AND OF ITSELF IS GOING TO BE A RATHER LENGTHY DISCUSSION.
AND SO SO IT WOULD BE INTERESTING, INTERESTED TO HEAR FROM YOU ALL.
AND OUR ONE ON ONE IS HOW YOU SEE THAT THAT PLAYING OUT.
TWO THINGS. NUMBER ONE, MY EXPECTATION I ALREADY SAID IT ON FIREPLACE.
STAFF. I WASN'T EXPECTING THAT THIS YEAR.
I WAS SAYING OUR GOAL IS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH PIATT PLACE NEXT BY NEXT YEAR.
AND THAT MEANS THAT STAFF HAS TO INVESTIGATE.
YOU KNOW, WHAT WATERSIDE THINGS COULD WE DO? WHAT'S THE COST OF REMOVING THE STRUCTURE OR WHATEVER? SO THAT'S NOT A SHORT TERM, THAT'S NOT A REASONABLE EXPECTATION.
SO THAT WOULDN'T BE ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WOULD COME BACK.
WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT'S GOING TO GO THERE, WHICH WE NEVER HAVE.
AND THERE'S ACTION PLANS THAT GO NEXT YEAR.
AS FAR AS THE SHORTER TERM FOR THE UPCOMING MEETINGS, I THINK WE'VE.
WHAT I WOULD WANT TO DO IF I WERE STAFF I AM IN MY DAY JOB IS THINK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE ASKING OF YOU AND COME BACK AND TELL US WHEN YOU'D BE READY FOR THE FIRST MEETING.
SO HERE WE ASKED, YOU KNOW, TAKE A CUT AT IT AND BRING IT IN.
AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU'RE GOING TO DO IN A WEEK OR TWO.
RIGHT. I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO COMMIT TO THAT TONIGHT.
GO BACK. COME BACK AND TELL US WHAT YOUR PLAN IS AND WE'LL SCHEDULE ACCORDINGLY.
RIGHT. THAT REASONABLE? THAT'S MUCH CLEARER. MAY I APPRECIATE THAT.
THANK YOU. MEAN, EVERYBODY AGREE TO THAT AND WE SHOULD MAYBE FOR I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE GOING INTO STRATEGIC PLANNING SOON, BUT JUST TO RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS NOT A STRATEGIC ITEM. THIS IS AN ADDITION TO ALL THE OTHER STRATEGIC ITEMS THAT WE'VE HAD GOING ON IN TERMS OF WORKLOAD AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO, I MEAN, WE SHOULD RECOGNIZE THAT MAYBE FORMALIZE THAT AS ONE OF THE ITEMS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER PLANS WE'VE GOT FOR OUR PLAN, BUT THIS IS CLEARLY A MULTIYEAR STRATEGIC ITEM ALREADY IN PROCESS.
I'VE ALWAYS NEVER BEEN QUITE CLEAR ABOUT THAT BECAUSE SIERRA IS TECHNICALLY A SEPARATE ENTITY.
BUT I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE IT'S REALLY APPROPRIATE TO HAVE THE SIERRA AS A STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE THE ITEMS FOR THE SIERRA, AS A STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE TOWN, UNLESS IT IMPACTS THE BUDGET NECESSARILY BECAUSE THEY'RE SEPARATE ENTITIES WITH SEPARATE STATUTORY GUIDELINES AND POWERS AND AND EVERYTHING.
THEY'RE JUST THEY'RE VERY, VERY DIFFERENT.
AND THERE ARE THINGS THAT SIERRA COMMISSIONER AND MANAGER CAN DO THAT A TOWN COUNCILOR CAN'T.
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THAT'S TRUE. BUT THIS IS SO SEPARATE BUT STILL A STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE SIERRA.SO. RIGHT SO SO IT CAN BE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT SCHEDULE, BUT IT'S THE STRATEGIC PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR SIERRA. AND I'M SENSITIVE TO THE FACT THAT IT'S A VERY BUSY TIME OF YEAR FOR YOU FOLKS, SO I'M JUST HAPPY WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IT.
SO. DO THE STAFF FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE ENOUGH GUIDANCE FOR TONIGHT, OR IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED? DO YOU HAVE THAT LOOK IN YOUR FACE AGAIN? I KNOW YOU SEEM PLEASED TO SEE THAT OVER THE YEARS, MANY, MANY TIMES.
I THINK WE'RE CLEAR ON THE EXPECTATIONS.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M READING IN STEPHANIE? I HAVEN'T SPENT MANY HOURS IN THIS.
IS IT JUST FIGURING OUT THE PROCESS AND ON HOW TO GET THERE? YOU KNOW, I'M CONFIDENT WE'LL WE'LL GET THERE.
WE'LL COME TO THE NEXT MEETING.
AM I CLOSE ON THAT, STEPHANIE? YEAH. THE SUCCESS WE HAD, I FEEL THIS IS A EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL MEETING WAS FOUNDED UPON WHAT YOU GAVE US TO START WITH.
THANK YOU. THIS IS THE LONGEST C.R.A.
OKAY. IF WE'RE DONE, I'LL TURN THE REPORTS.
[REPORTS ]
COMMISSIONER. TONY. NO REPORT.EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR. NO REPORT.
ARE WE GOING TO HAVE ANY ACTIONS FROM THE CRA WITH REGARD TO HARBORSIDE, OR ARE WE DONE WITH.
NOTHING COMES BACK HERE OTHER THAN EXECUTION OF RELEASES.
I MEAN, IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY COME HERE, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT.
I THINK THEY'VE ALREADY MET OR THEY HAVE SCHEDULED THEIR MEETING TO ADOPT THEIR RESOLUTION REGARDING THE RETURN OF THE FUNDING OR THE RELEASE OF THE FUNDING.
AND THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY ACTION THAT THEY TAKE.
AND THEN ONCE THE SITE PLANNING PROCESS IS THROUGH AND THE APPEAL PERIOD RUNS, THE RELEASES GET EXECUTED IN, THE CASE GETS DISMISSED.
OKAY. I'M JUST TRYING TO HAVE A LOOK AHEAD ON IF THERE WAS A MEETING FOR THAT.
TURNING TO, I THINK, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, HE SAID THERE WAS NOTHING ELSE.
TURNING TO COMMISSIONER COMMENTS.
718. WE'RE GOING TO ADJOURN THE MEETING.
THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.