[00:00:03] >> [BACKGROUND] GOOD EVENING. [BACKGROUND] THE TIME IS NOW 07:00 PM, [Call to Order] AND I'M GOING TO CALL TO ORDER THE TOWN COUNCIL MEETING OF TUESDAY, JANUARY 17TH, AND WE'LL BEGIN WITH AN INVOCATION, FOLLOWED BY A MOMENT OF SILENCE, AND THEN THE PLEDGE. >> DEAR GOD, WE SEEK DIRECTION AND GUIDANCE FOR THE DELIBERATION SET BEFORE US TONIGHT. HELP US MAKE THE BEST AND TRUE DECISIONS FOR OUR COMMUNITY. AMEN. >> AMEN. >> LET'S HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE. >> PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE. >> >> [BACKGROUND] MAY WE HAVE ROLL CALL, PLEASE. >> MAYOR KURETSKI. >> HERE. >> VICE MAYOR DELANEY. >> HERE. >> COUNCILOR MAY. >> HERE. >> COUNSELOR SCHNEIDER. >> HERE. >> COUNSELOR SUNDSTROM. >> HERE. >> TOWN MANAGER KITZEROW. >> HERE. >> TOWN ATTORNEY BAIRD. >> HERE. >> TONIGHT, WE BEGIN WITH THE PRESENTATION BY [1. Florida Department of Transportation (FDOT) U.S. Highway One Bridge Replacement Project – Mr. Bodler Barthelemy, Construction Project Manager.2. Town of Jupiter JupConnect Presentation by Mr. Shawn Reed.] THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION ON THE US HIGHWAY 1 BRIDGE REPLACEMENT PROJECT. I BELIEVE SOMEONE IS SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF MR. BODLER BARTHELEMY, WHO COULDN'T MAKE IT DUE TO SOME EMERGENCY. PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCILMEMBERS. I'M ANGEL GARDNER. I'M THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH SPECIALIST FOR THE US 1 BRIDGE REPLACEMENT PROJECT. [NOISE] THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU GUYS THIS EVENING. A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO, WE CAME TO YOU GUYS TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE WERE STARTING CONSTRUCTION ON THIS AMAZING PROJECT. WE'RE COMING BACK TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON WHAT'S GOING ON, AND THEN TO PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION ABOUT A SIGNIFICANT MILESTONE THAT WE HAVE COMING UP. BEFORE I DO THAT QUICKLY, I WANTED TO INTRODUCE THE TEAM. WE ALSO HAVE VIRGIL VERSAGGI. HE'S OUR SENIOR PROJECT ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT, WHO ALSO REPRESENTS THE DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE SCOTT CASE, ONE OF THE PROJECT ENGINEERS AS WELL, AND YARO CONCEPCION. HE'S ALSO ONE OF OUR PROJECT ENGINEERS. I'M GOING TO TURN THIS OVER TO VIRGIL SO THAT HE CAN GIVE YOU AN UPDATE. >> [BACKGROUND] I'LL TRY NOT TO BREAK IT THIS TIME. IT ONLY HAPPENS AT THE VILLAGE. [LAUGHTER] NO REVIEW OF THE US 1 JOB. IT HAS BEEN OVER A YEAR SINCE WE WERE LAST HERE. IT'S A 1,499-DAY CONTRACT NOW WITH THE EXTENDED HOLIDAYS AND WEATHER DAYS, WHICH ISN'T THAT MUCH SINCE IT STARTED OFF AT 479 DAYS. WE'RE COMING UP TO OUR FIRST MILESTONE OF THE PROJECT, AND THAT WILL START MARCH 13TH. THAT IS THE BRIDGE CLOSURE, WHICH WILL LAST APPROXIMATELY 20 MONTHS. WE ARE DOING SOME TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS, SMART WORK ZONE MANAGEMENT PLAN ON THIS PROJECT. AS ANGEL ALREADY TOLD YOU, IT DID START OCTOBER 2021, AND WE ARE ANTICIPATING COMPLETION IN EARLY 2026. PROJECT IS STILL ON BUDGET AT $122 MILLION, AND THE PRIME CONTRACTORS, JOHNSON BROTHERS, YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN THEIR TRUCKS AROUND THE TOWN OF JUPITER. INCENTIVE AND DISINCENTIVE. NOW THIS PROJECT IS THE BIGGEST ONE IN [NOISE] PALM BEACH COUNTY FOR FDOT, AND THEY'VE HEARD THE COMPLAINTS, OR HEARD THE CONCERNS IS PROBABLY THE BETTER TERM, OF THE RESIDENTS OF THE TOWN AND OF THE VILLAGE. TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS, THE ONLY MECHANISM THEY HAVE POSSIBLE IS MONEY. THEY HAVE INCENTIVIZED THIS CONTRACT NOW. THEY HAVE INCENTIVIZE THE CONTRACTOR AT A COST OF ALMOST SIX MILLION DOLLARS WITH THREE CRITICAL MILESTONES. THE FIRST MILESTONE BEING THE DETOUR. OUR DETOUR STARTS MARCH OF THIS YEAR, MARCH 13TH AND WILL LAST, AGAIN, AS I APPROXIMATELY SAID, 20 MONTHS. IF WE MEET AND EXCEED THAT 20-MONTH TIMEFRAME, IF WE FINISH THIS PROJECT DETOUR IN 500 DAYS, THE CONTRACTOR WILL BE GETTING $3.5 MILLION, WHICH IS A SIGNIFICANT VALUE. IF WE MEET THE FOUR LANES OF TRAFFIC, SO TWO LANES IN BOTH DIRECTIONS, BY NOVEMBER 1ST, 2024, ANOTHER $1.5 MILLION. IF WE FINISH THE PROJECT EARLY AND WE DON'T HAVE TO COME IN FRONT OF YOU IN 2025 OR 2026, THERE'S ANOTHER MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE CONTRACTOR. >> I'M SORRY. I KNOW YOU WERE PRETTY CLEAR, BUT THIS IS IMPORTANT TO THE COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC. THE FIRST INCENTIVE/DISINCENTIVE OF $3.5 MILLION TO BRING PHASE 1 IN EARLY, [00:05:05] TONIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO BE INTERESTED IN BRINGING THE FIRST PHASE EARLY, WHICH IS OPENING UP TWO LANES NOT FOUR. >> CORRECT. >> IT'S TARGETED FOR NOVEMBER OF '24. THEY'RE NOT ENTITLED TO WEATHER DELAYS, CORRECT? >> CORRECT. THE INCENTIVE IS NO EXCUSE, SO WHATEVER HAPPENS BETWEEN MARCH 13TH, 2023 AND THE 600 DAYS, WHICH IS NOVEMBER 1ST, 2024, THEY'RE NOT ENTITLED TO ANY ADDITIONAL COMPENSATION OR ANYTHING THAT DELAYS THEM. THEY HAVE TO MAKE UP. IN THE CONTRACT, THERE'S A SPECIFIC LINE THAT SAYS YOU SHOULD ANTICIPATE DELAYS AND EXTRA WORK BEING ADDED TO THE CONTRACT. >> THE INCENTIVE WHICH WORK VERY GRATEFUL, THE FIRST INCENTIVE, TO BRING IT IN BY JULY '24, THAT'S $3.5 MILLION OF THE MID-JULY '24, AND THAT'S, I GUESS, IT'S A SLIDING SCALE ON A PER DAY BASIS, RIGHT? >> CORRECT. >> BUT THEY COULD GET MAXIMUM MONEY IF THEY BRING IT IN BY JULY '24. >> CORRECT. IF THEY BRING IT BY JULY 2024, WHICH IF THEY BRING IT IN 500 DAYS, IT'S THEIR MAX INCENTIVE. THE SLIDING SCALE IS $35,000 A DAY. IT GETS REDUCED AFTERWARDS. THE DISINCENTIVE WOULD ACTUALLY KICK INTO PLACE STARTING IN NOVEMBER, SO THEY COULD GO INTO THE NEGATIVE. >> THANK YOU. WE'RE GRATEFUL. I'VE SAID THAT BEFORE PUBLICLY. I'M VERY THANKFUL THAT THE COUNTY, THERE'RE INCENTIVES THAT ARE PROVIDED, AND WE'RE HOPING THAT THE CONTRACTOR, AND WE'D EXPECT, IS GOING TO DO EVERYTHING HE CAN TO BRING IT IN EARLY. >> YEAH. I A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE WITH YOU. AS WE GO THROUGH, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHERE WE'RE AT. WE ARE TRENDING VERY POSITIVELY. WE HAVE HIT SOME HICCUPS. JUST LIKE EVERYBODY, WE'VE HIT HICCUPS WITH FP&L PERSONNEL, BUT I HAVE TO SAY, THE CONTRACTOR HAS DONE [NOISE] AN EXCEPTIONAL JOB OVERCOMING THESE HICCUPS TO STAY ON SCHEDULE AND STAY WITH THESE INCENTIVES AND THESE BONUSES IN LINE, STAY AHEAD OF IT. FALL OF 2021, THIS IS THE PRE-DETOUR. THIS IS THE WORK YOU SEE US CURRENTLY WORKING ON. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS WORK DONE AND COMPLETED IN THE BEGINNING OF MARCH, THE END OF FEBRUARY. THAT MOVES US INTO THE DETOUR PHASE STARTING MARCH 13TH, 2023. [NOISE] WE'RE GOING TO HAVING THE BRIDGE CLOSED ALL THE WAY UP TO JULY, OR SUMMER OF 2024. WE'RE GOING TO OPEN TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC, ONE LANE IN EACH DIRECTION. THEN WE'LL PROCEED INTO OPENING TWO LANES OF TRAFFIC IN EACH DIRECTION BY NOVEMBER OF 2024. IF WE DO THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING CONSTRUCTION TO BE COMPLETED IN THE FALL OF 2025. IT'S SLIGHTLY AHEAD OF THIS. TRAFFIC AND BRIDGE CLOSURES. RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE SEEING LANE CLOSURES THAT ARE OUT THERE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY [NOISE] FROM 9:00-3:00. THOSE WILL END ONCE WE GO INTO THE BRIDGE CLOSURE PHASE. WHEN WE DO THE BRIDGE CLOSURE PHASE, WE'VE ACTUALLY NOW STARTED COORDINATING WITH THE COAST GUARD. WE'VE COORDINATED WITH FDOT PERMITS TO REDUCE ALL LANE CLOSURES WITHIN OUR DETOUR TO NIGHTLY LANE CLOSURES. WE'RE TRYING TO COORDINATE WITH THE COAST GUARD NOW TO PUT A MORATORIUM ON THE OPENING OF THE INDIANTOWN BRIDGE DURING PEAK HOURS, SO WE CAN LET AS MANY CARS THROUGH THE DETOUR AS POSSIBLE. WE ALSO HAVE THE SMART WORK ZONE WHERE WE CAN CHANGE THE TIMING INSTANTANEOUSLY AND NOT TAKE US OVER DAYS OR OVER WEEKS. I'LL HAVE SCOTT TALK. IF YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS, SCOTT CAN FILL YOU IN ON THE LITTLE, MINUTE DETAILS OF THE SMART WORK ZONE. INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS. THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE IS TO DETOUR TRAFFIC [NOISE] OR MOVE TRAFFIC AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE THROUGH THE DETOUR ROUTE. WE HAVE ADDED TURN LANES AND ADDED CAPACITY AT INDIANTOWN US 1. WE HAVE ADDED CAPACITY AND TURN LANES AT INDIANTOWN ALTERNATE A1A. WE'VE RECONFIGURED OLD DIXIE HIGHWAY AND ALTERNATE A1A TO MAKE THAT A SAFER AND MORE CONTROLLED INTERSECTION, AND WE'VE ADDED TURN LANES NOW AT US 1 AND ALTERNATE A1A. THIS IS ALL TO INCREASE TRAFFIC FLOW ALONG ALTERNATE A1A. >> I'M SORRY. WHICH OF THOSE REMAIN PERMANENT? >> OLD DIXIE HIGHWAY AND ALTERNATE A1A WILL REMAIN AS A PERMANENT SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION. ALL THE OTHER INTERSECTIONS WILL REVERT BACK TO HOW THEY ARE AT THE BEGINNING CONSTRUCTION CONFIGURATIONS, SO YOU'LL REDUCE IT DOWN. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE NECKING THEM ALL DOWN TO 10-FOOT LANES OR 10-AND-A-HALF-FOOT LANES. THEY'LL GO BACK TO THE EXISTING 12-FOOT LANES. WHAT TO EXPECT DURING THE DETOUR? YOU CAN EXPECT [NOISE] OUR COOPERATION. WE HAVE BEEN MEETING OUT IN THE PUBLIC WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES INVOLVED. YOU CAN TALK TO THOMAS FERNANDEZ. WE PROBABLY TALK AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK. [00:10:03] WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO THE VILLAGE OF TEQUESTA. WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO FIRE RESCUE EMERGENCY DISPATCHERS, THE JUPITER COVE TO THE NORTH. WE'VE ADDED PREEMPTION TO ALL THE INTERSECTIONS AT THE REQUEST OF THE VILLAGE AND FIRE RESCUE, SO EMERGENCY VEHICLES TRAVELING ALONG THE CORRIDOR CAN NOW CHANGE THE LIGHTS TO RED OR GREEN AND NOT RELY ON SIGNAL TIMINGS TO MOVE THE TRAFFIC THROUGH. WE HAVE ADVANCED NOTIFICATIONS. LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, THE COUNCIL BROUGHT UP THAT THEY WERE CONCERNED WITH VMS SIGNS AND GETTING AS MUCH INFORMATION OUT TO THE PUBLIC AS POSSIBLE. WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO NOW INCREASE THE PRESENCE OF VMS SIGNS THAT WE CAN CONTROL REMOTELY TO BE ABLE TO NOTIFY PEOPLE DOWN INTO ABACOA, ALL THE WAY UP TO BRIDGE NORTH ROAD UP IN HOBE SOUND AS FAR WEST AS THE TURNPIKE AND I-95. THEY KNOW WHAT TYPE OF TRAFFIC THEY'RE GOING INTO IF THEY WANT TO TAKE A DETOUR ON THEIR OWN, IF IT'S A 10-MINUTE DELAY OR 20-MINUTE DELAY ON ALTERNATE A1A. PROJECT PROGRESS. WE'VE BEEN CONSTRUCTING THE EXTERIOR OF THE BASCULE PIERS. YOU CAN SEE THE ONE ON THE NORTH SIDE IS ACTUALLY ALMOST TO THE DECK HEIGHT CURRENTLY. WE JUST DROVE THE PILES AND FINISH THE PILES ON THE SOUTH SIDE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BASCULE. WE HAVE INSTALLED ALL OF THE ITS INFRASTRUCTURE. I BELIEVE WE MADE ALL THE CONNECTIONS TO FIBER THIS MORNING. WE COMPLETED ALL THE WIDENING EXCEPT FOR AN ALTERNATE A1A IN INDIANTOWN, WHICH WILL BE COMPLETED NEXT WEEK. WE'RE GOING TO START OUR MILLING AND RESURFACING NEXT WEEK. YOU'LL SEE THAT NEW CONFIGURATIONS START OCCURRING NEXT WEEK WITH TEMPORARY PAVEMENT MARKINGS AT INDIANTOWN, US 1. HERE'S A COUPLE OF PICTURES OF WHAT THE BRIDGE LOOKED LIKE IN MARCH 2022. THIS IS A PICTURE LITTLE OUTDATED BUT IT'S DECEMBER OF 2022. WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF GETTING THIS APPROVED SO WE CAN APPROVE YOU FROM PICTURES FROM TODAY. AGAIN, THIS IS OLD DIXIE HIGHWAY. YOU CAN SEE WE'VE CHANGED THE CONFIGURATION OF THE INTERSECTION FURTHER SOUTH TO LINE UP WITH THE WALGREENS DRIVEWAY. YOU STILL HAVE THAT FREE FLOW SOUTHBOUND MOVEMENT FROM OLD DIXIE ALTERNATE A1A, BUT WE ARE CONTROLLING THOSE LEFT TURN MOVEMENTS NOW. I'LL HAND THIS BACK OVER TO ANGEL. >> WHEN WE STARTED OFF IN THIS PROJECT, ONE OF OUR MAIN GOALS WAS TO MAKE SURE WE DID A LOT OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH. WE'VE REALLY EXTENDED OURSELVES TO THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THIS PROJECT. WE'VE REALLY STRIVED FOR THAT GOAL. IN THE PAST YEAR, WE'VE PROBABLY PARTICIPATED IN AND HOSTED NEARLY 20 COMMUNITY OUTREACH EVENTS. ONE OF THAT WAS, I'M HAVING COFFEE WITH THE PROJECT TEAM. WE SAW SOME OF YOU GUYS AT SOME OF OUR COFFEES, SO CERTAINLY APPRECIATED THAT. WE ALSO HAD MEETINGS WITH COMMUNITY GROUPS AS WELL, KEEPING THEM ABREAST OF WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE PROJECT. WE ATTENDED SOME OF YOUR CONNECTS WITH THE COUNCILS AS WELL TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE, IF THEY HAD QUESTIONS, WE COULD ADDRESS THEM AS WELL. AS THE BRIDGE CLOSURE MOVES INTO GEAR, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE ROBUST EFFORT. WE'RE GOING TO DOUBLE OUR EFFORTS. WE HAVE ALREADY STARTED DOING THAT, MEETING WITH COMMUNITY GROUPS, PLANNING THEM. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE COFFEES WITH THE PROJECT TEAMS. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE AN OPEN HOUSE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER OPEN HOUSE. IF YOU-ALL CAME TO THE ONE THAT WE INITIALLY HAD ON SEPTEMBER 2021, COME BACK RESIDENTS, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO ANSWER ALL YOUR QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE REGARDING THE BRIDGE CLOSURE. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A TARGETED DIGITAL MARKETING CAMPAIGN AS WELL, AGAIN, TO REACH AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE SO THEY'RE AWARE THAT THIS BRIDGE IS CLOSING AND THERE IS GOING TO BE A DETOUR. WE HAVE A MONTHLY EMAIL UPDATES AS WELL THAT WE SEND OUT TO THE PUBLIC, AND CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE TOWN ALWAYS SHARING THAT INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC. WITH THAT, WE WILL TAKE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? >> QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION. IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION BECAUSE YOU'VE DONE SOME OF THESE BRIDGES OBVIOUSLY, CORRECT? >> YES. >> THE DAY THE BRIDGE CLOSES, TRAFFIC WILL BE NIGHTMARISH. AT WHAT POINT DOES IT DO THE CHANGING OF DRIVING HABITS? HOW BAD WILL IT GET? WOULD IT BE A SUSTAINED NIGHTMARE? >> IT WILL NOT BE A SUSTAINED NIGHTMARE. >> I THINK I ASKED YOU THIS QUESTION BEFORE. [LAUGHTER] FOR PUBLIC RECORD, LET'S JUST GET THIS OUT THERE. >> THE FIRST TWO WEEKS, AT THE BEST WILL PROBABLY BE THE WORST TWO WEEKS THAT WE SEE GOING THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS. SOME PEOPLE HAVE DEVELOPED NEW ROUTINES. [00:15:02] THE IMPACT THE FIRST DAY IS GOING TO PROBABLY BE HORRENDOUS. WE PLAN ON IMPLEMENTING THIS AT NIGHT. THE FIRST TIME SOMEBODY SEES IS GOING TO BE THEIR FIRST TRIP WHEN THEY COME THROUGH THE PROJECT. AFTERWARDS, ON AN AVERAGE, TWO WEEKS TO A MONTH, PEOPLE START DEVELOPING NEW HABITS. WELL, BY DOING THIS ROBUST OUTREACH WE'RE HOPING TO PERSUADE SOME PEOPLE TO FIGURE OUT NEW ROUTES PRIOR TO THAT TIME TO LESSEN THE HASTINESS OF, "OH, MY GOD, I'M SUPPOSED TO TURN HERE. I CAN'T TURN ANYMORE. WHICH WAY AM I GOING?" >> THOSE TWO WEEKS ALSO GIVE US TIME FROM AN ANALYTICAL STANDPOINT TO LOOK AT THE INTERSECTIONS, LOOK AT THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC. WORK WITH THE SMART ZONE, ADJUST THE TIMING. WHEN WE INITIALLY PUT IT OUT ALL THE INTERSECTION WILL BE SYNCHRONIZED WITH THE TIMING SEQUENCE TO MAXIMIZE THE FLOW ON ALTERNATE A1A AND INDIANTOWN ROAD THROUGH THE DETOUR ROUTE. IT WILL GIVE US TIME TO SEE HOW THAT'S WORKING, AND IF ANY ADJUSTMENTS NEED TO BE MADE, WE CAN MAKE THOSE TO HELP INCREASE THE FLOW. >> DURING A RUSH HOUR, IS THERE ANY TIME ESTIMATE WITH DELAY TO GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B OR IS THAT JUST WAIT AND SEE? >> FOR ME TO GO ON RECORD I COULDN'T. [LAUGHTER] >> GIVE IT A SHOT. >> ONE OF THE THINGS WITH OUR SMART WORK ZONE IS THAT INFORMATION WILL BE AVAILABLE AS FAR AS HISTORICAL, WHAT IT'S BEEN DOING, WHAT IT'S DOING NOW, AND WHAT THE IMPROVEMENTS WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING WITH THE TRAFFIC. THOSE TYPE OF ANALYTICAL DATA CAN BE AVAILABLE IN A REPORT TO SEE THAT WE COULD SHARE WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS TO SEE HOW OUR MOVEMENTS ARE DOING AND HOW THE TRAFFIC IS FALLING. >> IF YOU SUBMIT A REQUEST, THEY ARE DEVELOPING THOSE REPORTS. WE CAN SEND YOU THIS REPORTS WHEN THEY'RE DEVELOPED. I THINK FOR THE FIRST COUPLE OF MONTHS, THEY ARE GOING TO BE WEEKLY OR BIWEEKLY, AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO MONTHLY AS WE PROGRESS THROUGH THE PROJECT. >> THANK YOU. >> BUT JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, AGAIN, FOR THE PUBLIC, WE REALIZE IN OUR MEETINGS, FOLKS WATCHING BOTH HERE AND ONLINE. F.VIEW, THIS IS A 20-MONTH PROJECT. SO YOU SCHEDULE IT TO AVOID ONLY IMPACT ONE PEAK SEASON THAT'S WHY IT'S STARTING AT THE TAIL END OF PEAK SEASON, CORRECT? >> CORRECT. >> THEN THE INTERSECTIONS WHICH ARE OPERATED BY PALM BEACH COUNTY, CORRECT? BUT YOU'VE ARMED THEM WITH DEVICES. CAN YOU DESCRIBE THAT SO THE PUBLIC CAN USE THAT? >> ABSOLUTELY. HISTORICALLY, THE MAJORITY OF THE INTERSECTIONS THAT YOU SEE IN RURAL AREAS, THEY'RE NOT HOOKED UP TO WHAT'S CALLED A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT CENTER, WHICH MEANS THAT NO ONE CAN SEE IT ONLINE, VISUALLY THROUGH A SCREEN TO SEE HOW THE TRAFFIC IS DOING THROUGH THE INTERSECTION. IF YOU WANTED A TIMING CHANGE AT AN INTERSECTION DUE TO BACKUP, SOMEBODY WOULD PHYSICALLY HAVE TO COME OUT TO THE SIDE, TAKE COUNTS, GET THAT INFORMATION BACK TO THE ENGINEER TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION ON WHAT THE TIMING SHOULD BE. WELL, NOW, WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH ALL THESE INTERSECTIONS THROUGH THE DETOURS, WE'VE HOOKED ALL THESE INTERSECTIONS UP AND PUT THEM ONLINE WITH THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT CENTER IN PALM BEACH COUNTY. SO NOW ALL THAT DATA IS GETTING RELAYED TO THEM IN REAL TIME. IF THERE IS AN INCIDENT OR IS A BACKUP, THEY CAN MAKE THE DECISIONS INSTANTANEOUSLY AS THE INFORMATION IS BEING VIEWED THROUGH THEM. SOME OF THE DEVICES WE PUT OUT THEIR COUNTS THE CARS AUTOMATICALLY, IT MEASURES THE SPEED, COUNTS THE CARS, AND IT SHOWS IT ALL THROUGH THE DETOUR. WE HAVE DEVICES LIKE MVDS OR CCTV CAMERAS. THOSE ARE DEVICES THAT ARE VIEWING THE TRAFFIC, COUNTING THE CARS, MEASURING THE SPEED, AND GETTING ALL THAT DATA BACK TO THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT CENTER. THEY'RE SEEING ALL THAT IN REAL TIME AND HELPS OF MAKING THE EFFORTS TO KEEP THE TRAFFIC FLOWING CONSISTENTLY, SAFELY, AND EFFICIENTLY THROUGH THE DETOUR. >> THANK YOU. I CAN ATTEST THAT ONE INTERSECTION THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PROBLEM FOR ME IS CENTRAL IN INDIANTOWN. THAT CENTER ADJUSTS THE SIGNALIZATION BETWEEN ONE SIGNAL AND THE NEXT WHEN THE NORTHBOUND, WHICH IS UNDERSERVED IS BACKING UP TOO FAR, THEY GET MORE NORTHBOUND TIME, SO THAT'S THE WAY. I APPRECIATE PUTTING IN THOSE DEVICES SO THAT CENTER CAN HELP TO MANAGE TRAFFIC BETTER. [00:20:01] >> ABSOLUTELY. >> JUST ONE QUESTION I HAVE. WELL, A COMMENT QUESTION. YOU HAVE THE PROJECT PROGRESSIONS ON THAT WEBSITE, WHICH REGRETTABLY I HAVEN'T GONE ON YET. I KNOW THE RELUCTANCE BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT AS WE PROGRESS, THERE'S A FEELING OF BEING ABLE TO TRULY REPORT HOW WE'RE DOING TO THE JULY DATE. ANOTHER RELUCTANCE FOR A PROJECT MANAGER, I'M ONE. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR. WE UNDERSTAND THE CONTRACT IS FOR OCTOBER BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE ENCOURAGED IF WE FEEL THAT WE'RE STILL TRENDING EARLY. >> I CAN SAY, AS OF TODAY, WE HAVE SET OURSELVES UP TO MEET THOSE DATES. OUR BIGGEST HURDLE WAS TO GET FP&L OUT OF THE WAY EARLIER THAN WHAT WAS IN THEIR CONTRACT, AND WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT. BY DOING IT, WE'VE OPENED MORE WORK FOR US TO COMPLETE THIS PHASE AND TAKEN IT OUT OF THE OTHER PHASE. WE'RE SET UP PRETTY GOOD TO MAKE THAT JULY DATE. I JUST CAN'T COMMIT SAYING WE'RE GOING TO 100 PERCENT MAKE IT. BUT THERE'S A LOT OF TIME IN BETWEEN HERE AND THERE. >> I UNDERSTAND. BUT ON THESE MONTHLY UPDATES. >> YES. >> WE WANT TO HEAR THE PROGRESS. >> IT'S A RELIEF. >> [LAUGHTER] THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING OUT. THIS IS IMPORTANT. APPRECIATE IT. >> I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION REAL QUICK BEFORE YOU GO DOWN. AS FAR AS WATERWAY TRAFFIC WHEN YOU GUYS ARE DOING THE DESTRUCTION OF THE OLD BRIDGE, HOW WILL WATERWAY TRAFFIC BE AFFECTED WHEN YOU GUYS ARE DOING THAT? >> WATERWAY TRAFFIC HAS TO BE MAINTAINED. THERE'S ONLY A COUPLE INSTANCES WHERE THE CHANNEL WILL BE CLOSED. THAT'S WHEN WE HAVE TO DO A FUNCTIONAL CHECKOUT OF THE BASCULE ON THE BRIDGE ITSELF. RIGHT NOW THE CONTRACTOR HAS ACTUALLY PURSUED AN ALTERNATE CHANNEL THROUGH THE COAST GUARD, AND IS TO RELOCATE IT BEHIND THE EXISTING BASCULE IS TODAY. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT THAT PLAN, BUT THEY ARE WORKING ON THAT AS A BACKUP IF THEY NEED TO PUT BARGES INTO IT. IF THEY DO GO TO THAT PLAN, THEY WILL HAVE TO ADVERTISE TO MARINERS AND TO THE PUBLIC OF AN ALTERNATE CHANNEL AND HAVE IT MARKED OUT PROPERLY. >> THANK YOU. >> OUR CONTRACT IS TO MAINTAIN AT LEAST HALF THE CHANNEL OPEN AT ALL TIMES TO DRIVE. >> THANK YOU. [NOISE] >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. >> THANK YOU. >> NOW WE MOVE TO CITIZEN COMMENTS. [CITIZEN COMMENTS] THESE ARE FOR NON AGENDA ITEMS AND THEY ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES. WE ASK ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PRIOR TO ADDRESSING THE TOWN COUNCIL. WE GENERALLY WON'T DISCUSS THE ITEMS THIS EVENING, BUT WE'LL CERTAINLY DISCUSS IN FOLLOW-UP WITH TOWN STAFF ABOUT THEM AS APPROPRIATE. >> RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE TWO, GLEN DESICO AND THEN MICHAEL VERNER. >> GOOD EVENING. I'M HERE TO DISCUSS RESOLUTION NUMBER 49-19. >> IF THIS IS AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA THEN [OVERLAPPING]. >> NO IT'S NOT. >> OKAY. >> THIS WAS BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING THREE-AND-HALF YEARS AGO. >> OKAY. >> LET'S TAKE THIS NUMBER DOWN, 49-19. PLANNING ZONING NUMBER 37-21, WAS ABOUT THE REMOVAL OF COMMON AREA TO INCORPORATE IT INTO PRIVATE HOMES IN ABACOA, MALLORY CREEK SPECIFICALLY. THERE ARE MULTIPLE CONFLICTS OF INTERESTS ON THE BOARD. THE BOARD HAS NOT ROTATED PROPERLY FOR THIS ENTIRE TIME. THE CASE IS BEING LITIGATED, BUT THAT'S NO EXCUSE FOR THE TOWN NOT TO ACT AND TO ENFORCE IT'S ZONING CODE IN FLORIDA CODIFIED LAW BEING FL617. LETS THROW 607 IN THERE, AND OF COURSE, FL720. THE CONFLICTS OF INTERESTS DON'T END WITH THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO THE TOWN LAWYER. THE TOWN LAWYER LIVES ON WEST MALLORY DRIVE. THE LAND THAT IS IN QUESTION HERE AND BEING DISPUTED IS WEST [INAUDIBLE] DRIVE IN THE GREENWAY WILL BE A BUFFER. MS. SCHNEIDER KNOWS ALL ABOUT THIS. SHE VOTED NO, BUT THE PLANNING IS ALREADY SOMEHOW MANAGED TO TIE THE VOTE IN THE PLANNING ZONING SO IT NEVER FULFILLED THE SCHEDULED TOWN COUNCIL MEETING WAS FOR 6:18 2019, [00:25:05] WHICH WILL BE ONE MONTH AFTER THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING. THE PERSON WHO ALLEGEDLY REPRESENTED THE ASSESSOR WAS KNOWN FROM THE BOARD IN THAT PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING. NO ONE FROM THE BOARD, ONLY THE 14 LOOKING TO APPROPRIATE AN ILLEGAL TAKING OF THAT COMMON AREA, WHICH IS NO DIFFERENT IN DESIGNATION FROM THE COMMON AREA IN WHICH THE POOL SIT. WE HAVE TWO POOLS. THE LAWYER KNOWS ALL ABOUT THIS. HE WAS THERE AND HE STOPPED THE QUESTIONING. HE STOPPED MS HAY FROM ASKING SOME VERY POINTED QUESTIONS, DIRECT QUESTIONS ABOUT 720, SPECIFICALLY AND OUR DECLARATION WHICH SAID YOU CANNOT PREJUDICE ANY OF THE OWNERS. YOU HAD THE LAWYER WHO IS ALSO IN CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE HE'S REPRESENTING 14 AGAINST THE OTHER 567 WITHOUT THEIR VOTE, WITHOUT EVEN ASKING THEM THERE. I'M HERE TO SAY, [NOISE] I DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT. THE TOWN SENT A LETTER OUT TO ALL OF THE OFFENDING PARTIES. THERE ARE 14 THEY'RE LOOKING TO APPROPRIATE THE LAND. WHO KNOWS HOW FAR WE'LL GO ON PRECEDENT. IT MAY EVEN GO ALL THE WAY TO WINDSOR PARK WHERE MR. ATTORNEY OVER HERE LIVES. >> THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE ON NOTICE. >> [OVERLAPPING] THAT'S ALL. LETTERS WERE SENT OUT AND NOTHING WAS DONE. YOU NEED TO ENFORCE. >> THANK YOU. >> MICHAEL WEINER. >> I'M HERE FOR THE SAME THING TODAY AS MR. DESICO. I MOVED INTO MALLORY CREEK IN DECEMBER OF 2017. I'VE BEEN THERE FOUR YEARS. I'VE BEEN PAYING THE PROPERTY TAX ON THE COMMON AREA FOR THE PAST FOUR YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN KEPT FROM, EVEN BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HERE. MS. SCHNEIDER IS VERY AWARE OF IT, MR. BAIRD IS AWARE OF IT. I EVEN THINK YOU MR. KURETSKI, I'VE TALKED TO YOU BEFORE ON THE PHONE ABOUT THIS. WE'VE GONE ROUND AND ROUND ABOUT THIS. THIS IS WHERE THE BUCK STOPS HERE AND I MEAN, THE BUCK REALLY IS GOING TO STOP. YOU'LL HAVE TILL FRIDAY TO FIX EVERYTHING. AFTER THAT, I WILL BE FILING A CIVIL SUIT THAT BELIEVE ME, IS GOING TO OUTDO MR. KRESS BECAUSE THE TOWN OF JUPITER IS SO CRIMINAL AT THIS POINT, SO ABNOXIOUS, THINKS THAT THEY ARE JUST ABOVE AND BEYOND THE LAW. I SAT HERE TODAY HOLDING MY HAND OVER MY HEART FOR JUSTICE FOR ALL AND I THINK I LAUGHED AT MYSELF. JUSTICE? FAR FROM IT. THE THIEVERY AND FRAUD NEED TO COME TO AN END IMMEDIATELY. THERE ARE RULES AND REGULATIONS AND HOAS, 720 IS SUPPOSED TO BE ENFORCED, 110 PERCENT. STATE LAWS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ENFORCED, FAIL TO BE ENFORCED. THE TOWN OF JUPITER JUST WANTS TO SIT AROUND, OH, WELL, IT'S THIS PERSON, IT'S THAT PERSON. PASS THE BUCK BACK-AND-FORTH OVER AND OVER AND OVER. THE BUCK STOPS. I MEAN IT STOPS NOW. YOU'VE HAD AMPLE NOTICE. THESE HOMEOWNERS HAD MONTHS, FIVE MONTHS TO FIX THIS. THE TOWN HAD FIVE MONTHS TO FIX IT. THEY'VE DONE NOTHING. NOW, WE'RE AT THE END OF THE ROAD HERE. YOU KNOW WHAT I SEE, YOU GOT PLENTY OF MONEY TO SPEND ON BRIDGES AND OTHER THINGS, SO I'M GOING TO TAP YOUR TILL TOO, OKAY? BECAUSE I'M DONE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY. I'M DISGUSTED WHERE I LIVE, THIS TOWN IS A JOKE. WHAT HAVE I PAY MY TAXES FOR? YOU BE SITTING AROUND, HOLD OUR HANDS OVER OUR HEART FOR JUSTICE FOR ALL. FOR WHO? FOR 14, FOR MR. BAIRD, FOR MS. SCHNEIDER. IT'S FUNNY MS. SCHNEIDER'S PROPERTY IS NOT BEING PARCELED OFF. MR. BAIRD, HE'S JUST WAITING FOR IT. MS. SCHNEIDER HAS HAD CONVERSATION WITH MY WIFE FOR OVER A YEAR, SAID THAT MR. BAIRD WAS EXCUSED FROM THIS SITUATION. >> I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO PLEASE LET'S KEEP IT FROM GETTING PERSONAL. >> IT'S NOT PERSONAL. THESE PEOPLE ARE THE RESPONSIBLE [OVERLAPPING] PARTIES FOR THIS. IF YOU WANT TO THINK THIS IS PERSONAL, IT'S GOING TO GET A LOT MORE PERSONAL THAN YOU CAN EVER IMAGINE HERE. I HOPE YOU'RE AWARE OF IT. >> ANYBODY ELSE? >> THAT WAS IT. >> MOVING ON TO THE MINUTES. [2. December 20, 2022 Town Council Meeting Minutes.] COUNCIL WE HAVE BEFORE US A FEW MINOR AMENDMENTS ON THE DICE. ARE THERE ANY OTHER REVISIONS? MAY I HAVE A MOTION? >> MOTION TO APPROVE IS AMENDED. >> SECOND. >> MOTION THE SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. MOVING THERE'S A CONSENT AGENDA. [CONSENT AGENDA] THIS IS ITEMS 3, 4 AND 5 ON THE AGENDA. ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WANT TO A PULL A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM? [00:30:04] >> NO MAYOR. >> ANYBODY ON THE COUNCIL? I JUST WANT TO PULL ITEM NUMBER 3. THAT LEAVES ITEMS 4 AND 5 ON THE AGENDA. CAN I HAVE A MOTION ON THE ITEMS 4 AND 5. >> MOTION APPROVE ITEMS 4 AND 5. >> SECOND. >> MOTION IN A SECOND ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> AYE. MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. I PULLED THE ITEM 3. [3. Resolution 2-23, Approving contract award EPW 2023-09, Jones Creek Hammock Boardwalk and Sawfish Bay dock repairs to Ferreira Construction Southern Division Co., Inc. in an amount not to exceed $156,801.40.] I DON'T NEED A PRESENTATION. I JUST WANTED TO GET SOMETHING ON THE RECORD. APOLOGIZE IF I MISSED IT. TOLD ME YOU ARE COMING UP. I PULL THIS ONE IN THE FACT THAT PERHAPS I WAS MISSING SOME PAGES IN YOUR REPORT, BUT WE HAD ONE BID AND IT WASN'T REALLY CLEAR FROM THE PACKAGE HOW THAT BID COMPARED TO THE TOTALITY OF THE ESTIMATE. THAT'S WHY I COMMUNICATED TO YOU AND YOU SHARED WITH ME. I'M SATISFIED WHAT YOU SHARED BY EMAIL, BUT I'D LIKE TO GET THAT ONTO THE RECORD. >> CORRECT. AS YOU MENTIONED AND ACTUALLY FOR THE RECORD, THOMAS FERNANDEZ, DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS, AS YOU HAD MENTIONED IN YOUR EMAIL TO ME AND JUST FOR EVERYBODY. YOU'RE AWARE AS THE MAYOR HAD MENTIONED, I DID NOT STATE WHAT OUR BIDS COMPARED TO THE ACTUAL OVERALL ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE. WHAT I CONVEYED TO THE MAYOR EARLIER IN THE DAY VIA EMAIL WAS ESSENTIALLY THAT WHEN I HAD ORIGINALLY BUDGETED FOR THIS PROJECT BACK IN 2020, I EXPECT THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE ABOUT 85,000 FOR THE JONES CREEK CAN MAKE BOARDWALK REPAIR PORTION, ABOUT 12,000 OF THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY FOR DESIGN. ESSENTIALLY A TOTAL OF ABOUT 97,000 AROUND PREPARING FOR THE 2022 SEASON AND BUDGET SEASON, WE WERE EXPERIENCING LARGE CHANGES IN THE OVERALL COST OF CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS, SPECIFICALLY IN THE LUMBER INDUSTRY, THERE WERE A LOT OF UNCERTAINTIES BECAUSE OF THE CHEMICALS THAT WERE AVAILABLE DURING THE COVID TIME PERIOD AND SOME OF THE OTHER UNCERTAINTIES THAT EVEN DURING BIDDING FOR SOME OF THE DUNE CROSSOVERS AT THE TIME, WE HAD CONTRACTORS TELLING US THAT SOME OF THEIR SUPPLIERS WOULDN'T EVEN HOLD COSTS FOR UP TO TWO WEEKS. ESSENTIALLY AT THAT TIME WE WENT BACK AND RE-EVALUATED THE OVERALL COSTS FOR THE JONES CREEK CAN MAKE BOARDWALK PREPARES THAT PROJECT. WE WENT AHEAD AND INCREASE THAT FROM ABOUT 97,000 OVERALL, WITH THE 85,000 PIECE BEING THE ACTUAL PORTION THAT WAS FOR CONSTRUCTION. WE UP THAT TO 120,000 TO COVER ANY INCREASES IN COSTS AT THE TIME. FOR THE SAWFISH BAY PARK DOCK REPAIRS. ESSENTIALLY THAT WAS JUST A UNIT PRICE ASSUMPTION THAT IT'S A 40 BY 60 DOCK AND ASSUMED ABOUT $125 PER SQUARE FOOT COSTS. THAT COMES UP TO ABOUT $30,000 WITH A LITTLE BIT OF CONTINGENCY IN THERE. THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHERE THE OVERALL ESTIMATE CAME FROM AND WHERE SOME OF THOSE PRICES ARE AND SHOWING THAT THE COSTS OVERALL FOR THE PROJECT WERE ABOUT 155,000. WE ENDED UP A LITTLE BIT OVER THAT. BUT THERE ARE FUNDS AVAILABLE IN THE PARKS RESTORATION THAT COVER SOME PORTIONS OF THAT OR IF IT WERE TRANSFERRED FROM OTHER CYPS, WE COULD LIKELY HANDLE THAT, BUT MR. REYNOLDS WOULD BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT BETTER THAN I COULD. >> YOU SEND AN EMAIL. I'M NOT SURE I HEARD IT HERE, BUT ON THE FIRST ONE, THE SCOPE ALSO ACTUALLY INCREASED AS TIME WENT ON. IT'S NOT JUST COST INCREASE, BUT THE SCOPE OF WORK INCREASE CORRECT WITH THE AMOUNT OF THINGS THAT HAD TO BE REPAIRED, REPLACED? >> CORRECT. AT THE TIME I WAS LOOKING AT IT, WE WERE OUT, WE WERE LOOKING AT JUST DECK REPAIRS AND SOME OF THE TOP RAILING ALONG THE EDGE OF THE JONES CREEK HAMMOCK BOARDWALK. WE WERE EXPECTING ONLY THAT WOULD BE LUMBER REPAIRS, NOT NECESSARILY ANY MAJOR CHANGES TO FOR ANY UNDERDECKING WORK. BUT THERE WERE QUITE A FEW SIMPSON GALVANIZED ANCHORS THAT WERE RUSTED THROUGH. IT WAS RECOMMENDED BY THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER WHO ACTUALLY EVALUATED THE STRUCTURED TO GO OUT AND CHANGE THOSE SO WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUES. THERE IT WAS STILL ABLE TO WITHHOLD, UPLIFT AND WITHSTAND ANY SORT OF WIND, EVEN THOUGH IT'S OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THERE IT'S FAIRLY PROTECTED. [00:35:02] IT'S STILL DESIGNED FOR UPLIFTS. WE STILL HAD TO REATTACH THE SIMPSON ANCHORS FOR THEM. >> THINK YOU'VE ANSWERED ME SATISFACTORILY. FOR MY COLLEAGUES AND FOR STAFF. WITH ONLY ONE BID I REALLY FELT WE NEEDED TO HAVE FOR THE RECORD, HOW THESE COMPARED. EFFECTIVELY WE GOT A COMPETITIVE BID BASED ON THE ESTIMATE BEFORE I STARTED TO ASK JUST THAT THAT INFORMATION BE INCLUDED IN THE PACKAGE FOR THE PROJECT. WITH THAT, I TURN IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY COMMENTS OR ASK FOR A MOTION. >> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> MOTION IN THE SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. [NOISE] MOVING ON TO THE REGULAR AGENDA. FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE BEARS CLUB. [6.A. Ordinance 2-22, Second Reading, Planned Unit Development (PUD) Amendment - Quasi-judicial - Amendment for the Clubhouse and Cottage Site (Phase 1B) located within a 400.9 ± acre property, south of Frederick Small and west of Palmwood Road, known as the Bear’s Club PUD to add a freestanding Fitness Center Building Site and to request waivers to setbacks, lot coverage, wall height, minimum lot area and parking. (Continued from 11/15/22) 6.A. Ordinance 2-22, Second Reading, Planned Unit Development (PUD) Amendment - Quasi-judicial - Amendment for the Clubhouse and Cottage Site (Phase 1B) located within a 400.9 ± acre property, south of Frederick Small and west of Palmwood Road, known as the Bear’s Club PUD to add a freestanding Fitness Center Building Site and to request waivers to setbacks, lot coverage, wall height, minimum lot area and parking. (Continued from 11/15/22) 6.C. Resolution 5-22, Duplex Golf Cottages - Quasi-judicial - Site plan application to construct three residential duplex buildings with a total of six dwelling units on a 1.06 ± acre property located south of the Bear’s Club Villas Condominium (Cottages). (Continued from 11/15/22)] WE'VE GOT AN ORDINANCE TO RESOLUTIONS PROVIDED THE ORDINANCE PASSES ON SECOND READING. THIS IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL. DOES ANYBODY ON THE COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUASI-JUDICIAL DISCLOSURES? >> THAT IS A COUPLE EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE WITH DOUGLAS FIR WATSON, THAT'S IT. >> DO WE INCLUDE THE ENTIRE TIME WE'VE CONSIDERED THE BEARS CLUB OR JUST BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING BECAUSE I HAD NOTE WITH THEM IN NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR. BUT MORE RECENTLY I'VE SPOKEN WITH TOWN STAFF, ATTORNEY BILL [INAUDIBLE] AND TOWN MANAGER ABOUT IT. >> SIMILARLY, I MET LAST YEAR WITH MR. [INAUDIBLE] AND I HAD A BRIEF CONVERSATION THAT WE TRY AND SETTLE THERE. >> THINK THE ATTORNEY WOULD HAVE TO ANSWER, BUT I THINK THIS WOULD BE SINCE THE LAST READING. THAT PERIOD BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE DISCLOSED PRIOR TO THAT TIME. I LIKE TO ASK STAFF AND THE APPLICANT WILL BE GIVEN TESTIMONY TO STAND UP AND BE SWORN IN. >> DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE IN THIS HEARING IS THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? >> YES. >> YES. >> [NOISE] WITH THAT, I TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT. >> THANK YOU. FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS MAURICE CRANIUM, I'M SENIOR PARTNER WITH THE CTO AND ASSOCIATES. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, WHICH IS THE BEARS CLUB FOUNDING PARTNERS AND THE BEARS CLUB PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHICH POWERPOINT I'M GOING TO CLICK ON HERE, BUT I DO HAVE A BRIEF POWERPOINT TO GO OVER. I THOUGHT IT WAS ON HERE. IS IT ON HERE? I HAVE ANOTHER DISK IF YOU MAY. CAN WE PUT THIS ON THERE? >> YES. >> CAN HAVE YOU DO THAT? >> OF COURSE. [OVERLAPPING] >> IS THIS ONE IT. >> THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. LET'S SEE HERE. JUST A QUICK PROJECT OVERVIEW. THE INTENT OF THE PROJECT IS TO BUILD THREE TWO-STORY CONDOMINIUM BUILDINGS, EACH WITH TWO UNITS, AND ALSO ENLARGE AND RELOCATE THE FITNESS CENTER FROM INSIDE THE CLUBHOUSE TO OUTSIDE THE CLUBHOUSE AS PROPOSED ON A 1.27 ACRE SITE LOCATED ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING CLUBHOUSE AND THE EXISTING CLUBHOUSE COTTAGES. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS MOUSE WORKS, BUT JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND, THIS IS THE ACTUAL CLUBHOUSE AND THESE ARE THE EXISTING COTTAGES. THIS IS A GARAGE FOR THE EXISTING COTTAGES AND THIS IS THE VACANT PARCEL. THE SITE WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED FOR 14 COTTAGE UNITS, AT WHICH FIVE WERE BUILT AND SOLD. IT WAS REVISED IN 2011 TO TWO SINGLE-FAMILY LOTS THAT WERE NOT BUILT. THE PROPOSED PLANS SUPPORTED BY THE OWNERS OF THE EXISTING COTTAGE UNITS AND THE MEMBERSHIP AND THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION WITHIN THE BEARS CLUB, WE MUST MEET THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD APPROVAL PRIOR TO FINAL DESIGN AND THE UNITS THAT ARE DESIGNED AS PROPOSED ARE TAKEN AND THERE'S A WAITING LIST TO ACQUIRE THOSE THAT ARE NOT TAKEN IF IN FACT SOMEONE BACKS OUT. THE EXISTING FITNESS CENTERS WITHIN THE CLUBHOUSE, [00:40:01] IT WAS NOT ORIGINALLY DESIGNED OR CONTEMPLATED AND IT'S ACTUALLY A CONVERTED STORAGE LOCKER SPACE. THE FITNESS OF COURSE IN TODAY'S WORLD HAS EVOLVED TO BECOME AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE GOLF COURSE AND IMPORTANT FOR INDIVIDUAL WELL-BEING. THE NEW BUILDING IS DESIGNED TO MEET CURRENT NEEDS AND SERVICES IN A WORLD-CLASS FACILITY. THE EXISTING SPACE THAT IT'S CURRENTLY IN WILL BE CONVERTED BACK TO THE ORIGINAL DESIGN INTENT, WHICH IS STORAGE. CURRENTLY THEY'RE USING OUTSIDE STORAGE TO COMPENSATE FOR THAT. AGAIN, THAT'S THE SITE AREA. THIS IS A VIEW BEFORE THE GARAGE WAS BUILT, BUT AGAIN THESE ARE THE EXISTING COTTAGES, THIS IS THE CLUBHOUSE, THIS IS THE DROP-OFF AREA FOR THE CLUBHOUSE. THIS IS A RENDERING OF THE THREE CONDOMINIUM BUILDINGS, EACH WITH TWO UNITS. THIS IS THE PROPOSED FITNESS CENTER, THIS IS THE GARAGE THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT WHERE THESE VEHICLES FOR THE EXISTING COTTAGES ARE PARKED, AND THIS IS THE PORTICO SHARE FOR THE CLUBHOUSE. THESE ARE THE ARCHITECTURAL RENDERINGS WHICH ARE GOING TO FOLLOW THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE AND THEME OF THE EXISTING COTTAGES IN THE CLUBHOUSE. THEY WERE DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY TO ACCOMMODATE THE END-USER. THEY ARE LARGE UNITS, BUT A LOT OF THE EXTRA ROOMS ARE FOR OFFICES AND FITNESS AND OTHER TYPES OF USES. AGAIN, CONCEPTUAL RENDERING. THE BARISTA MASTER-PLAN, JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND, IS OVER 400 ACRES. THIS TOTAL UNITS IS 114, ONLY 0.3 UNITS PER ACRE, 117 ACRES OF PRESERVE AREA WITH 78 PERCENT OPEN SPACE. NONE OF THAT CHANGES BY WAY OF THIS APPLICATION, THAT IS GOING TO REMAIN THE SAME. THE BEARS CLUB HAS A LOT OF OPEN SPACES. YOU CAN SEE THE CLUBHOUSE FACILITY IS LOCATED RIGHT HERE AND THAT'S THE VACANT PARCEL AT THE TIP OF MY FINGERS THERE. WE'RE CENTRALLY LOCATED. AS I MENTIONED THIS IS THE CLUBHOUSE SITE. IT WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2001 WITH THE SAME LOT COVERAGE, THE SAME WAIVERS, THE SAME SETBACKS. IN FACT, WE ACTUALLY HAD TO PROVIDE PUBLIC BENEFITS BACK IN 2001 WHEN THIS DESIGN WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD. IN 2005, WE CHANGED IT, AND IT'S STILL THE SAME AMOUNT OF COVERAGE, THE SAME WAIVERS THAT WE'RE REQUESTING WITH SETBACKS. THERE'S BEEN SOME ADJUSTMENTS BECAUSE WE'VE REDESIGNED THIS AREA ON ITS OWN ACCORD. LET ME JUST GO BACK, BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED IN 2011 WAS WE CHANGED THAT DESIGN TO TWO SINGLE-FAMILY LOTS. WE'RE ONLY HERE TODAY REQUESTING THESE WAIVERS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT BUILDING TWO SINGLE-FAMILY LOTS. THE ONLY ONE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT DOESN'T REALLY APPLY TO A CONDOMINIUM TYPE DEVELOPMENT OR WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AND WEST PREVIOUSLY APPROVED ON THE SITE. LET'S SEE. I'LL GET THIS FIGURED OUT. WE'RE CONSISTENT WITH WAIVERS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY GRANTED WHERE THERE WERE NO INVERSE OR ADVERSE IMPACTS TO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS OR RESIDENTS WHEN THE WAIVERS WERE PREVIOUSLY GRANTED. WE'RE CONSISTENT WITH THE ORIGINAL DESIGN INTENT, WE HAVE MAXIMUM OPEN SPACE OF 78 PERCENT SAME DENSITY, WE HAVE HIGH TAXABLE VALUE, AND LOW IMPACT ON PUBLIC SERVICES. I THINK ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HEARD ABOUT THE WAIVER AT THE LAST MEETING WAS THE POOL SETBACK. AGAIN, THIS ISN'T A WAIVER ON A SINGLE-FAMILY LOT WHERE WE'RE PUTTING A POOL ADJACENT TO AN ADJACENT LOT. THIS IS A DESIGN CONCEPT, AND THIS IS NOT A REGULAR POOL, THIS IS A SMALL POOL DESIGNED FOR THESE CONDOMINIUM USERS AND IT'S NEXT TO A GARAGE, IT'S NOT NEXT TO AN ADJACENT RESIDENCE, OR TO AN ADJACENT LOT. AGAIN, WE DESIGNED THIS HOLISTICALLY, NOT AS A SINGLE FAMILY LOT, BUT AS A CONDOMINIUM PROJECT AND A FITNESS CENTER. THERE'S NO IMPACT TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC OR SURROUNDING USERS. IT'S NOT PRECEDENT-SETTING IN OUR OPINION BECAUSE THE SPECIFIC PROJECT AND DESIGN AND OPERATION ENSURES COMPATIBILITY AND WE'RE OFFERING SUBSTANTIAL PUBLIC BENEFITS THAT I DON'T THINK CAN BE MATCHED. WE'RE EXPANDING THE STREET LANDSCAPE PLAN ON FREDERICK SMALL ROAD TO INCLUDE THE ENTIRE LENGTH FROM PALMWOOD ROAD TO A1A, WE'RE INCREASING THE TOTAL NUMBER OF LIVE OAK TREES FROM 10 AS ORIGINALLY RECOMMENDED BY STAFF TO 42 TREES WITH A MINIMUM HEIGHT OF 16 FEET UPON INSTALLATION. THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. WE'RE MEETING ALL OTHER REQUIREMENTS THAT STAFF REQUIRED IN TERMS OF LOCATING THE TREES AND WE'LL COORDINATE WITH PALM BEACH COUNTY TO ENSURE THEY GET PLACED AND IF NOT, THERE'S ALTERNATIVE TO PROVIDE TREES IN [00:45:03] PUBLIC PARKS OR AS OFFSET THAT WITH A MONETARY CONTRIBUTION. WE'RE ALSO AGREEING TO PROVIDE A $50,000 CONTRIBUTION TO THE TOWN FOR THE DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT OF A TOWN GREEN. AN INDIRECT BENEFIT OF THIS IS AN ESTIMATED INCREASE IN TAXABLE VALUE BY MORE THAN $20 MILLION JUST CONVERTING THIS PRODUCT FROM TWO SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS BACK TO SIX CONDOMINIUM UNITS. WE HAVE REVIEWED THE STAFF REPORT AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S ONLY REALLY ONE APPLICANT ISSUE. I'M THE AGENT FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION AND THE BEARS CLUB FOUNDING PARTNERS. THE STAFF REPORT THE CONDITION 7 ASKS THAT WE PROVIDE PERMISSION TO ALLOW THE TOWN TO CONVERT, PRESERVE AREAS THROUGHOUT THE PUD TO CONSERVATION AREAS TO A LAND USE AMENDMENT PROCESS. I'M ONLY AUTHORIZED TO ACT ON BEHALF OF THE BEARS CLUB FOUNDING PARTNERS. THE BEARS CLUB FOUNDING PARTNERS DOES NOT OWN THE PALMWOOD PRESERVE WHICH IS SPECIFIED IN THE STAFF REPORT. I KNOW THERE'S SOME ISSUE REGARDING THE OWNERSHIP OF THE BEARS CLUB FOUNDING PARTNERS AND THE BEARS CLUB DEVELOPMENT COMPANY. I'M GOING TO LET BOB WESSLEMAN SPEAK TO THAT. I KNOW THERE'S A LETTER THAT I JUST REVIEWED FROM MR. SELLERS THAT HAS SOME INFORMATION I THINK BOB CAN CLEAR UP. >> WILL RESPOND TO MR. SELLERS' [INAUDIBLE] >> WE WILL RESERVE THE RIGHT TO RESPOND TO MR. SELLERS' COMMENTS IF IN FACT THOSE COMMENTS BECOME PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD. OTHER THAN THAT, WE AGREE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS, WE CAN'T COMMIT TO PRESERVATE OR CHANGING THE LAND USE ON THE PALMWOOD PRESERVE BECAUSE I'M NOT AUTHORIZED TO ACT ON THEIR BEHALF. THANK YOU. >> NEXT TOWN STAFF. >> GOOD EVENING. FOR THE RECORD, PETER MYERS, SENIOR PLANNER OF STAFF. THERE ARE THREE APPLICATION THAT'S UNDER CONSIDERATION BY TOWN COUNCIL TONIGHT. THE FIRST IS ORDINANCE 2-22, TO AMEND THE BEARS CLUB PUD TO AMEND THE MASTER PLAN TO CHANGE 9,236 SQUARE FEET OF LAND FROM RESIDENTIAL TO RECREATION TO ALLOW FOR A FREESTANDING FITNESS CENTER. REQUESTS WAIVERS WITHIN PHASE 1B, THE CLUBHOUSE AND COD SITE TO REDUCE FRONT SETBACKS FOR BUILDINGS, PATIOS AND POOLS. INCREASE LOT COVERAGE, REDUCE MINIMUM LOT AREA, ALLOW A SIX-FOOT TALL WALL WITHIN THE FRONT YARD AND REDUCE THE PARKING RATIO FOR THE EXISTING CLUB USES. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AS CONTINGENT UPON TOWN COUNCIL'S APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED PUBLIC BENEFITS BY THE APPLICANT. IF THE ORDINANCE IS APPROVED TONIGHT, THE SECOND APPLICATION IS FOR THE SITE PLAN TO CONSTRUCT A FREESTANDING CLUBHOUSE FITNESS CENTER SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL IN RESOLUTION 7-22, AND THE APPROVAL OF THE PUD WAIVERS. THE THIRD APPLICATION IS FOR THE SITE PLAN TO CONSTRUCT THREE RESIDENTIAL DUPLEX BUILDINGS WITH A TOTAL OF SIX DWELLING UNITS SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL IN RESOLUTION 5-22, AND THE APPROVAL OF THE PUD WAIVERS. ON SEPTEMBER 22, 2022 ORDINANCE 2-22 WAS APPROVED ON FIRST READING. ON OCTOBER 20TH 2022 HOWEVER, THE STAFF PROVIDED A SUPPLEMENTAL EXECUTIVE SUMMARY TO TOWN COUNCIL PRIOR TO THE SCHEDULING. THE TICKETS HERE INDICATE THE BEARS CLUB PUD IS NONCOMPLIANCE WITH CONDITION 3D1 OF OREGON'S 12-98 AND THE RESOLUTION 16-98, WHICH APPROVE THE BEARS CLUB PUD. I HAVE LOST MY PAPER BUT, STAFF RECOMMENDED THE TOWN COUNCIL NOT TAKE ACTION ON ITEMS UNTIL THE PUD IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITION 3D1. THE APPLICANT QUEST FOR POSTPONEMENT AND THE ITEM WAS CONTINUED TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA. ON NOVEMBER 3, 2022 THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A RESPONSE TO THAT AREA WHICH INDICATED A LETTER SENT TO THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF NORTHERN PALM BEACH COUNTY IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT WITH TOWN MANAGER LUCALSIC AND INDICATED THAT THE BEARS CLUB RELIED ON THIS LETTER BEFORE THEY TRANSFERRED OWNERSHIP. THE LETTER DATED NOVEMBER 14TH, 2014 INDICATES THAT THE TOWN HAS NO REQUIREMENT THAT THE NORTHERN PALM BEACH COUNTY IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT RETAIN OWNERSHIP OF THE PALM BEACH PRESERVE. [00:50:02] STAFF NOTICED THAT CONDITION 3D1 OF THE ORDINANCE AND RESOLUTION NOTED PREVIOUSLY APPROVED THE BEARS CLUB PUD REQUIRED ALL PRESERVE AREAS INCLUDING WETLANDS BE DEDICATED TO THE TOWN OR SUCH GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY. STAFF NOTES THAT NO APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED TO THE TOWN TO MODIFY CONDITION 3D1, OTHERS NOTED ORDINANCE AND RESOLUTION TO ALLOW THE OWNERSHIP TO BE HELD IN A PRIVATE CAPACITY. THE TOWN'S CONSULTING ATTORNEY HAS INDICATED THAT THE TOWN COUNCIL CAN PROCEED WITH CONSIDERATION OF THE PROPOSED APPLICATIONS WHILE THE ISSUE OF NONCOMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL NOTE ABOVE CAN BE DEALT WITH SEPARATELY SINCE ENTITIES ARE DIFFERENT. ON JANUARY 9TH, 2023, THE APPLICANT REVISED THEIR PUBLIC BENEFIT TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF TREES ALONG FOR THE SMALL RIDE A WAVE FROM 20-42. ALSO PROPOSE A NEW PUBLIC BENEFIT TO PROVIDE $50,000 TOWARDS THE DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE TOWN GREEN AT TOWN HALL. STAFF NOTES THAT THE TOWN HAS NOT COMPLETED DETAILED DESIGN FOR THE TOWN GREEN AT THE TOWN HALL SITE, YET TOWN COUNCIL SUPPORTS TO PROPOSE PUBLIC BENEFIT, STAFF RECOMMENDS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT THE OWNER CONTRIBUTE $50,000 TO REPLACE ANY SPECIAL TOWN FUND FOR THE DESIGN, CONSTRUCTION, AND MAINTENANCE OF THE TOWN GREEN. STAFF HAVE SAID THEY'VE MADE YOUR TIME FOR ANY BATTLE. >> I TURN IT TO THE COUNCIL FOR QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT OR STAFF. >> QUESTIONS. >> COUNCIL VICE BEAR. >> QUICK QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. IN 2001 WHAT PUBLIC BENEFIT DID YOU. >> I HONESTLY DON'T RECALL. I JUST NOTE THAT THE COUNCIL GOT PUBLIC BENEFITS AFTER EVERY WAIVER THAT WE REQUESTED. [OVERLAPPING] >> YOUR APPLICATION GOT APPROVED. >> YEAH, IT GOT APPROVED. >> YOU NEVER YOU NEVER ACTED ON IT SO IT EXPIRED? >> CORRECT. >> CORRECT. HAS THE COUNTY GIVEN YOU APPROVAL FOR THE TREES ON PALMWOOD OR ON FRED SMALL? >> WE HAVEN'T APPROACHED THE COUNTY YET, BUT WE DO KNOW WHERE THE UTILITIES ARE, BUT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE APPROVAL YET. >> OKAY. THAT'S IT FOR NOW. >> COUNCIL SCHNEIDER. >> JUST AS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, I HAD ASKED AND WE HAD RECEIVED AS A COUNCIL FROM PLANNING AND ZONING, JUST THE HISTORY OF PUBLIC BENEFIT. I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PUBLIC BENEFIT IN THE PAST TO SEE WHAT'S BEEN DONE ON OTHER PROPERTIES. BEARS CLUB WAS MENTIONED THERE. I SEE A PUD AMENDMENT TO ALLOW GUEST COTTAGES THERE IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING NOTES. PUBLIC BENEFIT, THE APPLICANT IN THE STATEMENT OF USE INDICATES THAT NO ADDITIONAL PUBLIC BENEFITS ARE PROPOSED. HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT INDICATES THAT PREVIOUS PUBLIC BENEFIT WERE PROVIDED TO ALLOW FOR THE ALLOCATED NUMBER OF UNITS AND ADDITIONAL BENEFITS SHOULD NOT BE REQUIRED. THERE WAS ONE FOR REAL ESTATE SALES BUILDING AND GUARD HOUSE THAT WAS 10,000 TO THE TOWN TO BE USED BY THE TOWN FOR THE REMOVAL OF EXOTIC PLANTS WITHIN ANY OF THE TOWN OWNED OPEN SPACE PROPERTIES. THEN FOR THE FIVE UNITS AND TO CHANGE THE LAYOUT OF THE UNITS OF THE CLUBHOUSE, NO ADDITIONAL PUBLIC BENEFITS ARE PROVIDED IN ADDITION TO THE FOLLOWING, WHICH WAS THE SIDEWALK FROM ALTERNATE A1A TO PALMWOOD ROAD. REDUCING THE NUMBER OF UNITS ON THE 369 ACRES, PROVIDING A 65 FEET WIDE BUFFER ADJACENT TO DONALD ROSS AND 25 TO FREDERICK SMALL AND PALMWOOD, AND TO DESIGN AND INSTALL THE LANDSCAPING WITHIN THE MEDIA ENDS ALONG DONALD ROSS ROAD. THAT'S THE HISTORY ON BEARS CLUB PUBLIC BENEFIT. BUT I HAVE NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. >> NO QUESTION. >> JUST TO THE APPLICANT, IF I CAN FIRST, YOU EMPHASIZED, IN YOUR OPINION HOW AS CONFRONTING AWAY WAS THAT HAD EXISTED BEFORE BUT HAD YOU EVER GOTTEN BEFORE PARKING WAIVER, LOCK COVERAGE WAIVER AND LOT SIZE WAIVER FOR A FITNESS CENTER? >> NOT SPECIFICALLY FOR A FITNESS CENTER. >> OKAY. >> YES, SIR. >> THANK YOU. THAT'S A NEW WAIVER. STAFF A QUESTION. I'M SORRY, THERE WAS A LOT IN THIS PACKAGE AND I THINK IT WAS ADDRESSED, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND IT AND GET IT ON THE RECORD. STAFF ENDEAVORED TO FIND OUT THE OWNERS OF THE ENTITY THAT ARE IN POSSESSION OF THE PRESERVE, THE 15 ACRES OR WHATEVER AND STAFF WAS NOT ABLE TO FIND THE NAMES AND THE APPLICANT WASN'T ABLE TO ASSESS. IS THAT CORRECT? >> CORRECT. AS IN THE LAST UPDATE I BELIEVE IN REGARDS TO OUR INQUIRY ABOUT THAT, [00:55:04] WHO OWNED THE PROPERTY AND THE INQUIRY TO THE ADVOCATED IT DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY RESPONSE. >> AT THIS POINT, STAFF HAS DONE EVERYTHING THEY POSSIBLY COULD, INCLUDING GETTING WITH THE APPLICANT AND THEY WERE UNRESPONSIVE? >> CORRECT. >> THANK YOU. WITH THAT, THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS, SO WE'LL GO TO THE PUBLIC FOR ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS. >> FIRST WE HAVE REBECCA ZISSLE AND THEN GARY SELLERS. [BACKGROUND] >> GOOD EVENING, REBECCA ZISSLE. I SENT A LETTER LAST WEEK WHICH I'M HOPING YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW. SOME OF THIS MAY BE REPETITIVE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO STATE ON THE RECORD THAT WE DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT LETTING THIS PROCEED WHILE THERE'S THE EXISTING VIOLATION OF A CONDITION OF THE PUD. NAMELY BECAUSE ALTHOUGH THESE ARE DIFFERENT NAMED ENTITIES, BEARS CLUB FOUNDING PARTNERS AND BEARS CLUB DEVELOPMENT CO, THAT THEY ARE LINKED IN MANY WAYS NOT JUST BY HAVING THE SAME CONTROLLING OWNER, BUT THE TWO PURCHASED THE LAND THAT MADE UP THE PUD TOGETHER, THE APPLICANT GOLF CLUB WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR ORIGINALLY PURCHASING ABOUT 2/3 OF THAT LAND AND THE SAME INDIVIDUAL SIGNED ON BEHALF OF BOTH OF THEM WITH THE INITIAL CONTRACT FOR THAT PURCHASE AND DEVELOPMENT AND THAT WAS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE NICHOLAS ORGANIZATION. THE LAND THAT'S AT ISSUE THAT WAS DATED BACK FROM THE NORTHERN PALM BEACH IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT WAS INITIALLY DATED TO THREE DIFFERENT ENTITIES, WHICH IS MENTIONED IN THE APPLICANT'S ATTORNEYS LETTER. BUT WHAT'S NOT MENTIONED IS THAT ONE OF THOSE WAS THE APPLICANT WHO THEN DID IT VIA QUITCLAIM, THAT'S LISTED AS A $10 QUITCLAIM TO THE DEVELOPMENT CODE. YOU HAVE LINKED COMPANIES. YOU HAVE THE APPLICANT HAVING BEEN AN INITIAL RECIPIENT OF THE LAND FROM THE IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT IS THAT THE ISSUE OF WHAT'S SEEN AS A VIOLATION HERE AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE TOWN'S COUNCIL HASN'T SAID THAT IT'S NOT A VIOLATION, JUST THAT IT'S A DIFFERENT ENTITY. THERE'S A CONCERN THERE THAT CORPORATE STRUCTURE AND DIFFERENT ENTITIES AND RELATED ENTITIES, ALTHOUGH THEY DON'T HAVE THE EXACT SAME OWNERSHIP, WE DON'T KNOW THE FULL CONTROL AS WAS JUST DISCUSSED. BUT THE CONCERN THERE IS THAT FUTURE APPLICANTS AS WELL COULD USE SIMILAR COMPLICATED DEALINGS AND THAT SAYING THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT ENTITIES BY THAT IS DISINGENUOUS. THEN JUST TO SPEAK VERY BRIEFLY REGARDING THIS POTENTIAL CONDITION 7 THAT'S DISCUSSED. YOU HAVE AN APPLICANT THAT CONTROLS THE POA BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND SAYS THAT THEY'RE ONLY AUTHORIZED ON CERTAIN ISSUES FROM THE POA, BUT GIVEN THAT THEY CONTROL THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO GET APPROVAL RELATED TO THESE PRESERVE LANDS. JUST WANTED TO BRING UP THAT IF YOUR CONCERN IS THE PRESERVE LANDS AND PROTECTING THEM, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT THERE HAVE BEEN ATTEMPTS IN THE PAST TO EXPLORE OPPORTUNITIES TO DEVELOP THEM, THAT JUST AGAIN, RELYING ON THE DIFFERENT CORPORATE NAMES IS NOT PROVIDING ALL OF THE CORPORATE OWNERSHIP IS TROUBLING. THAT'S ALL JUST ONE SENTENCE THAT I'LL REITERATE. WE DO HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS THAT WE'VE EXPRESSED AT THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS REGARDING THE MASS OF THE NEW DUPLEXES AND THE PARKING, AND THEN THAT'S IT. BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE CORPORATE ENTITIES WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. THANK YOU. >> GARY SELLERS. >> OH, SURE. [INAUDIBLE] >> HELLO. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS GARY SELLERS. MY WIFE AND I HAVE LIVED IN JUPITER, FLORIDA FOR 20 YEARS AT 212 BEARS CLUB DRIVE. I WANT TO THANK THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND STAFF FOR SERVING TOWN GOVERNMENT. THE BEARS CLUB IS A HOMEOWNER'S COMMUNITY WITH ABOUT 86 FAMILIES, BUT IT'S ALSO A COMMERCIAL FOR-PROFIT BUSINESS ENTERPRISE THAT'S CONTROLLED AND OPERATED BY THE NICHOLAS ORGANIZATION HEADED BY THE FAMOUS GOLFER. PERHAPS YOU DON'T KNOW THIS, BUT NOT A SINGLE PERSON WHO CONTROLS THE BEARS CLUB NOR BY THE WAY, ANY OF THE PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT REPRESENT IT. NOT A SINGLE ONE LIVES AT THE BEARS CLUB, [01:00:03] AND MOST OF THEM DON'T LIVE IN JUPITER, FLORIDA. THE GOLF CLUB APPLICANT ASKED ME TO BECOME THE FIRST PRESIDENT OF THE POA IN MARCH 2016 AT THE TIME OF THE SO-CALLED TURNOVER FROM THE DEVELOPER. DURING MY TENURE AS PRESIDENT, COUNCIL AND I LEARNED THAT THE GOVERNANCE IN OUR COMMUNITY CONTRAVENES THE MOST FUNDAMENTAL PROVISIONS OF THE FLORIDA LAW THAT PROTECTS HOMEOWNERS FROM OVERZEALOUS DEVELOPERS. NAMELY THAT A DEVELOPER MAY NOT VOTE IN OR OTHERWISE CONTROL A COMMUNITY AFTER TURNOVER. THE UNDISPUTED FACTS ARE THESE. THE TRIAL JUDGE HAS DETERMINED IN TWO SEPARATE ORDERS THAT THE GOLF CLUB IS A DEVELOPER OF OUR HOMEOWNER COMMUNITY. BUT THE CLUB CONTINUES TO VOTE 53 PERCENT OF THE TOTAL VOTES IN EVERY HOMEOWNER MATTER INTO PERPETUITY. NOT ONCE HAS THERE BEEN A HOMEOWNER VOTE FOR DIRECTORS. THE CLUB HANDPICKS EACH AND EVERY PERSON THAT SERVES ON THE POA BOARD. BY WAY OF EXAMPLE, MR. WESLEMAN, REPRESENTING THE CLUB THIS EVENING AS GENERAL MANAGER, IS ALSO THE CURRENT PRESIDENT, CEO, AND A DIRECTOR OF THE HOMEOWNER COMMUNITY, AND A HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION. YET HE DOESN'T LIVE AT THE BEARS CLUB, HE LIVES ELSEWHERE, AND HE IS A VALUED EMPLOYEE OF THE NICHOLAS ORGANIZATION. I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT TOWNS MUST ENCOURAGE HEALTHY BUSINESS AND DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT'S A WHOLE, ANOTHER KETTLE OF FISH FOR THIS COUNCIL TO CHOOSE TO FACILITATE A FOR-PROFIT COMMERCIAL PROJECT FULL OF PRECEDENT-SETTING VARIANCES THAT THE APPLICANT DEFENDANT INITIATED IN THE MIDDLE OF CRITICAL PUBLIC POLICY LITIGATION. I HAVE TWO MORE SENTENCES. >> GO AHEAD. >> THREE, MR. MAYOR. PERHAPS NAIVELY I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT FIRST AND FOREMOST, TOWN COUNCILS JOB WAS TO PROTECT JUPITER RESIDENTS AND HOMEOWNERS AND VOTERS. FAMILIES LIKE MINE WHO VOTE AND PAY PROPERTY TAXES IN JUPITER. PLEASE, DON'T TURN YOUR BACK ON JUPITER HOMEOWNERS, AMIDST THIS VERY SERIOUS DISPUTE OVER THE MOST FUNDAMENTAL PROVISIONS OF FLORIDA HOMEOWNER LAW. I ASK AGAIN THAT YOU DELAY YOUR DECISION UNTIL THE GOVERNANCE LAWSUIT IS RESOLVED. THANK YOU. >> I TURN TO OUR ATTORNEY HERE. I HAVE AN OUTDATED, PERHAPS QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING AGENDA ORDER THAT QUITE FRANKLY, WE'D NEVER HAVE FULLY FOLLOWED. BUT [NOISE] AT THE END OF PUBLIC COMMENTS, WE HAVE RETURNED ON QUESTIONS AND THEN WE GO TO STAFF AND APPLICANT FOR ANY REBUTTAL IS CORRECT. THAT'S THE ORDER. >> CORRECT. >> IF ANYBODY ON COUNCIL HAS ANY FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT OR STAFF. NO. I GUESS I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT FIRST AND THEN TOWN STAFF ON REBUTTAL. >> YES. >> IF ANY. >> JUST BRIEFLY, FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, I JUST WANT TO ASSURE THE TOWN COUNCIL THAT THESE PRESERVE AREAS ARE PROTECTED BY VIRTUE OF THE PUD AGREEMENT AND THE MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT'S PART OF THAT AGREEMENT. NOTHING CAN BE DONE TO THOSE PRESERVE AREAS WITHOUT COMING BACK BEFORE THIS TOWN COUNCIL AND AMENDING THE PUD. THE FACT THAT IT CHANGED OWNERSHIP, I WASN'T INVOLVED WITH ANY OF THAT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS, BUT I AM RELYING ON YOUR TOWN COUNCIL. THAT SEPARATES THIS ISSUE WITH THIS PARTICULAR HOMEOWNER FROM THIS APPLICATION AND ALSO THE PRESERVE AREA ISSUE FROM THIS APPLICATION. IF THERE IS A VIOLATION OF THE PUD, THEN BEARS CLUB FOUNDING PARTNERS WHO CONTROLS THAT PRESERVE AREA WILL COME TO THE TABLE AND DEAL WITH THAT. I'M CERTAIN. IF BOB CAN JUST COME UP AND JUST EXPLAIN THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE TWO ENTITIES, I THINK THAT MAY HELP. >> BOB WATSON, A GENERAL MANAGER OF THE BEARS CLUB, NOT A VALUED EMPLOYEE OF THE NICHOLAS COMPANIES. OUR ATTORNEY WROTE A REBUTTAL TO THE LETTER THAT MR. [01:05:04] SELLERS PRESENTED. THE BEARS CLUB HAS NO FINANCIAL INTEREST IN THE 15 ACRES OWNED BY DEFCO. DEFCO IS NOT ONLY A SEPARATE CORPORATE ENTITY FROM THE CLUB, THE TWO ENTITIES ONLY HAVE ONE COMMONALITY AND THAT IS JACK NICHOLAS. THE ENTITIES ARE NOT AFFILIATES LIKE MR. SELLERS, THE FOUNDING MEMBERS OF THE CLUB OWN LAND WITHIN A BEARS CLUB COMMUNITY. THE 35 FOUNDING MEMBERS PURCHASED THE RIGHT TO ACQUIRE THAT LAND BY ACQUIRING THE CORPORATE ENTITY THE DEVELOPER HAD CREATED FOR THE PURPOSE OF DEVELOPING A GOLF FACILITY. JACK NICHOLAS WAS ON ONE OF THE 35 EQUAL OWNERS IN THE CLUB. THE CLUB IS MANAGED BY A BOARD AND MR. NICHOLAS IS JUST ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS. MR. SELLERS ARGUES THAT JUDGE MATT FOUND THE CLUB WAS ALSO A DEVELOPER OR THE BEARS CLUB COMMUNITY. THAT ARGUMENT IS MISLEADING. JUDGE MATT'S CONCLUSION WAS SIMPLY BASED ON THE FACT THE CLUB ENTITY CONTRIBUTED THE CLUBS LAND TO THE DECLARATION. THERE IS NO ISSUE OF THE FACT THAT THE CLUB HAD NO ROLE IN DEVELOPING THE PARCEL SOLD TO HOMEOWNERS OR COMMON AREAS THAT SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY. IT HAD AND HAS NO OWNERSHIP INTERESTS IN DEFCO OR PROFIT OR LOSS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT. THE ARGUMENT SELLERS MAKES TO THE TOWN THAT JUDGE MATT RULED THAT THE CLUB AS A DEVELOPER IS EXACTLY THE ARGUMENTS SELLERS MADE TO JUDGE MATT WHEN HE SOUGHT AN INJUNCTION AGAINST THE TOWN'S CONSIDERATION OF THIS APPLICATION. JUDGE MATT DENIED SELLERS MOTION FINDING THAT SELLERS WILL NOT LIKELY TO PREVAIL ON ITS MERITS. NOW HE BRINGS THE SAME ARGUMENT TO THE TOWN. THIS IS THE ATTORNEY SPEAKING, NOT ME. I SUSPECTED AS OBVIOUS AT THIS POINT THAT GARY SELLERS WISHES HARM TO THE CLUB FOR REASONS HAVING NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS APPLICATION, WHICH IS NEIGHBORS, ALTHOUGH HOMEOWNERS OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORT. ANYWAY, THAT'S OUR RESPONSE. >> THANK YOU. STAFF? NONE. NOW WE'RE OUT OF COMMON TIME. >> CAN I GET THREE MINUTES? >> NO, WE HAD PUBLIC COMMENT. WE HAVE REALLY STRICT AGENDA ORDER, WE FOLLOW ON QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS. I TURN IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR ANY FINAL DISCUSSIONS AND A MOTION. ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS TO DISCUSS? >> WELL, FIRST CAN WE MAKE ANY PROVISION TO HAVE THE GENTLEMAN SPEAK FOR THE THREE MINUTES OR IF HE'S THE ONLY SPEAKER OR IS IT THAT CLOSE TO THE PROCESS? >> [INAUDIBLE] >> NOW WE GET INTO PAST BEHAVIOR AND OTHER REBOTTLE, OTHERWISE, I UNDERSTAND. DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? >> FOR ME IT'S PRETTY SHORT AND SWEET TO BE VERY HONEST. THERE ARE TWO ISSUES HERE. ONE IS THE APPLICATION I HAVE HAD, I'VE WALKED THAT PROPERTY. I UNDERSTAND THE FITNESS CENTER AND IT'S NEED, ESPECIALLY AFTER VIEWING THE OLD ONE. I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THIS IS A POPULAR PROJECT WITH SOME OF THE RESIDENTS, BUT COMPLETELY APART FROM THIS IS THE FACT THAT I'M BEING ASKED TO AMEND A PUD THAT I DO NOT BELIEVE IS IN COMPLIANCE AND I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT, AND SO THAT'S WHERE I AM RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE THE LETTER, BUT BEFORE THE LETTER WAS THE ORDINANCE AND THERE WAS NO APPLICATION SUBMITTED TO MODIFY THE CONDITION 3D1, OF ORDINANCE 1298 AND RESOLUTION 1698, TO ALLOW OWNERSHIP TO BE HELD BY A PRIVATE ENTITY. WITH THOSE CONDITIONS ON FULL DISPLAY TO ALL PARTIES INVOLVED, I'M STUCK. IF IT'S NOT IN COMPLIANCE, HOW CAN WE BRING THIS INTO COMPLIANCE, AND SO I MIGHT CONSIDER A CONDITION WHEREBY WE MAKE SURE THAT CONDITION IS MET AND IT'S BROUGHT BACK INTO COMPLIANCE, BUT I CAN'T GET PAST THAT. >> I AGREE. I MEAN, THE APPLICATION ITSELF, [01:10:01] I THINK IT'S A GREAT FIT. IT'S NECESSARY FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT WE VOTE ON THIS, WE VOTE ON THE ENTIRE PUD. I UNDERSTAND THERE'S DIFFERENT CORPORATIONS THAT OWN THE PROPERTIES, BUT ONCE NOT IN COMPLIANCE, BUT WE'RE VOTING ON THE WHOLE PUD, AND THAT JUST GIVES ME PAUSE, AND DEEP IN MY BRAIN WHEN I'M IN DOUBT, I DON'T. [INAUDIBLE] IS RIGHT NOW AND THIS IS JUST ON MY TROUBLE. I'M TROUBLED THAT THE STAFF REACHED OUT WAS IT DEVCO AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE. ARE YOU FOLKS A PART OF THE PUD? THAT JUST GIVES ME PAUSE ON THIS. THIS IS AFTER DIGGING AND NOT NEW INFORMATION, BUT I WAS HOPING THERE WOULD BE SOME MOVEMENT ON THE OWNERSHIP OF THE 16 ACRE PRESERVE, BUT I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE WE COULD REACH OUT FOR A CONDITION TO BRING THAT IN. I KNOW THIS COUNCIL AND THE PEOPLE AT TOWN LOOK AT THAT PIECE OF LAND. I KNOW IT'S NOT UP FOR VOTE TONIGHT, BUT IS IT FOR RARE PRESERVE? I'M JUST NOT CONFIDENT IN THAT NOT COMING BACK ON THE FUTURE TO BE DEVELOPED. BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE PUD BEARS CLUB. WE'VE ALWAYS HAD A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FOLKS AT BEARS CLUB. I KNOW WE APPROVED SOMETHING FEW YEARS AGO AT YOUR GATE, AND I THINK YOU MENTIONED THAT THE ROYALTY OFFICE AND YOU'RE GOOD FOLKS, YOU'RE GOOD NEIGHBORS. BUT THIS AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL TO VOTE ON THIS, I'M JUST LEERY. I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT RIGHT NOW. >> WELL, I'VE HAD CONCERNS FROM THE BEGINNING ABOUT ALL OF THIS BECAUSE OF THE HOA ISSUES. FOR ME I'M VERY SENSITIVE TO THAT, TO 720 TO TURNOVER AND MAKING SURE THAT SHOULD THE RIGHT PEOPLE ARE IN CHARGE OF THE HOA AND CAN MAKE THE DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS TO THE PROPERTY. I'M STILL UNCOMFORTABLE ABOUT THAT. BUT THEN YOU ADD IN THE WHOLE ISSUE OF NOT BEING IN COMPLIANCE, AND IT'S JUST TOO MANY THINGS FOR ME. I REALLY THINK THAT THESE THINGS NEED TO BE BROUGHT FORWARD IN A MUCH CLEANER MANNER. THE PROJECT ITSELF, I THINK IT HAS MERIT, BUT FOR ME, I'M A PROCESS PERSON AND PROCESS MATTERS, AND SO I'M VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT I SEE. >> I THINK IT'S CLEAR THE POSITION TO COUNSEL WITHOUT MY EVEN SPEAKING UP. IT WAS A CONDITION WE ASKED ABOUT THAT IS IMPORTANT, AND WE DIDN'T GET ANY COOPERATION AS STAFF REACHED OUT TO FIND THAT AND I WOULD HAVE EXPECTED THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE GONE AND GOT, WHAT WAS A CONDITION AND DEVELOP AN ORDER. THAT COULD HAVE BEEN CURED BEFORE YOU CAME HERE. WE'RE NOT TAKING ANY FURTHER COMMENTS. NOW AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE NORMALLY DO A MOTION, AND THERE HAS BEEN SOME PRACTICE ON SUCH MOTIONS. BECAUSE I THINK IF WE WERE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THAT, WHICH THE CONSEQUENCES OF THAT TERRITORY. [NOISE] >> THEY WOULD HAVE TO START THE PROCESS ALL OVER IF THAT MOTION PASSED. >> BUT THERE'S A ONE OR TWO YEAR? [OVERLAPPING]. >> TWO-YEAR DELAY. [BACKGROUND] >> TWO-YEAR DELAY. >> UNLESS THE APPLICANT HAS TO PAUSE THE APPLICATION. >> WELL, THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE RULES THAT WE HAVE ARE. >> OR CONTINUE IF THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT CAN BE CURED TO THE SATISFACTION THE MAJORITY. >> I'D VERY MUCH LIKE TO SEE THAT BECAUSE THE PROJECT ITSELF, I'M OKAY WITH DOING THAT. BUT WITH THE REST OF THE COUNCIL SAID, WORKING THROUGH THE QUICK COMPLIANCE ISSUES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH YOU TO TRY TO RECTIFY ALL OF THOSE THINGS SO THAT YOU GUYS AREN'T SITTING FOR TWO YEARS WITHOUT. >> WE HAVE TWO OPTIONS WE'VE HISTORICALLY DONE. THE APPLICANT CAN CHOOSE TO WITHDRAW THE APPLICATION TO AVOID THE TWO-YEAR BEFORE YOU COULD COME BACK OR WE COULD DO A CONTINUANCE POSTPONEMENT IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE ALWAYS GIVE THE APPLICANT A TIME TO. >> GET FOR THE RECORD, [INAUDIBLE] ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT WE WILL AGREE TO A CONTINUANCE UNTIL WE BRING THAT ISSUE INTO COMPLIANCE, SO 30 DAYS. BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT WILL TAKE, BUT WE'LL DEFINITELY DIG DOWN DEEP AND MAKE SURE THAT STAFF AGREES THAT THAT ISSUE IS DEALT WITH, AND THE PUD IS IN COMPLIANCE BEFORE WE RETURN TO THE BOARD. [01:15:01] >> DO WE HAD TO VOTE ON THAT YET? >> CERTAIN TIME FRAME RATE CAN BE DIVERTED. [BACKGROUND]. >> WE WILL HAVE TO VOTE? [OVERLAPPING] IS THAT ACCEPTABLE TO THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL? >> I'M FINE WITH IT. A CONTINUANCE TO TRY TO SEE IF IT CAN BE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE WORKED OUT. >> I'M FINE WITH THAT. I DON'T WANT TO HARM ANYBODY. I JUST CAN'T VOTE ON THIS TODAY, BUT IF YOU CAN RECTIFY THE PROBLEMS. >> WE HAD TRIED TO PLACE THE CONDITION BEFORE, BUT BECAUSE THE ENTITIES MAY OR MAY NOT BE PARTIALLY OR WHOLLY AT ALL RELATED THAT MADE IT MORE DIFFICULT, AND SO CONTINUING IT WOULD MAKE THE MOST SENSE SO THAT, THEY CAN FULLY COLLABORATE TO BRING THE PUD INTO COMPLIANCE. >> MAY I HAVE THE MOTION? >> MOTION TO CONTINUE. >> SECOND. >> I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE THE DATE. CONTINUED TO A DATE. >> DO YOU HAVE A DATE IN MIND THAT YOU THINK WOULD BE ENOUGH TIME TO BRING THIS BACK? >> I WOULD SAY SECOND MEETING IN FEBRUARY IT'S ABOUT A MONTH FROM NOW. MOST OF THEM CONTINUE TO THE SECOND MEETING IN FEBRUARY. >> SECOND. >> ANY COMMENTS, ANY DISCUSSION. SAY YOUR NAME? MOTION MAY ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM ORDINANCE 13 AND F22 ON FIRST READING RIVER PLAZA. [7. Ordinance 13-22, First Reading, River Plaza Large-Scale Planned Unit Development (PUD) - Quasi-judicial - An application for a commercial development including a waiver request to reduce the minimum area for a Large-Scale PUD from 10 acres to 4.7 acres. (second reading 2/21/23)] THIS IS QUASI-JUDICIAL. DOES THE COUNCIL HAVE ANY EX-QUOTATED DISCLOSURES? >> I MET WITH THE APPLICANT SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, LONG BEFORE THEY FILED AND THEY REVIEWED THE PROJECT WITH ME. >> VICE MAYOR. >> YES, I MET WITH THE APPLICANT, MR. HARRY LAST YEAR. I'VE SPOKEN TO THE TOWN MANAGER AND HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH TERI GROOMS RECENTLY. >> I'VE HAD NONE. >> I ALSO PREVIEWED THE PROJECT WITH THE APPLICANT LAST YEAR AND SPOKE WITH THE TOWN MANAGER THIS PAST WEEK. >> THOSE CLOSURES. >> THIS IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING. I'D ASK REPRESENTATIVES FOR THE APPLICANT AND STAFF WHO WILL BE PROVIDING TESTIMONY OR ANSWERING QUESTIONS, PLEASE STAND AND BE SWORN IN. >> DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE IN THIS HEARING IS THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? >> YES. >> [INAUDIBLE] OF THE APPLICANT. >> I'M JUST GOING TO LOAD MY PRESENTATION REAL FAST. GOOD EVENING. FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS GEORGE MIDSUMMER WITH COLORING HEARING HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER AND APPLICANT, RENAISSANCE JUPITER, LLC, AND I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN. BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS ONE APPLICATION, ORDINANCE, NUMBER 13-22. IT'S THE ONLY THING YOU'LL BE VOTING ON TONIGHT. WE DO HAVE ALSO RESOLUTION NUMBER 110-22, WHICH WILL COME BEFORE YOU AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING AND THAT IS THE SITE PLAN APPLICATION. TONIGHT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THE LARGE-SCALE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. WE WILL GO OVER THE SITE PLAN AS WELL JUST TO GIVE A FULL PICTURE OF THE PROJECT, BUT JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION AT THE START OF THE PRESENTATION. AS I SAID, THE OWNER AND APPLICANT IS RENAISSANCE JUPITER, LLC. OUR ARCHITECT IS REG ARCHITECTS RICK GONZALEZ I'M SURE YOU'RE ALL VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS WORK. HE'S VERY RECOGNIZABLE IN THE AREA. A LOT OF HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANT PROJECTS ARE CIVIL ENGINEERS, SIMMONS AND WHITE, AND THEN COMPENSATE HEARING WE'RE THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS AND PLANNERS AND AGENTS FOR THE APPLICANT. AS I SAID, WE DO HAVE TWO APPLICATIONS TONIGHT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THE LARGE-SCALE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT AND THEN WE'LL PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE SITE PLAN AMENDMENT. BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE LOCATION. WE ARE LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF US-1 JUST SOUTH OF INDIANTOWN ROAD, AS YOU CAN SEE IN RELATION TO WHERE WE ARE TONIGHT. AS I SAID, WE ARE SEEKING A SITE PLAN AMENDMENT. [01:20:01] THE SITE IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED. INITIAL CONSTRUCTION WAS IN THE MID '80S. THE ARCHITECT AT THAT TIME, JEAN LAWRENCE, HAS SEVERAL PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN DESIGNATED AS HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT AND WE ARE AIMING TO PRESERVE THESE LARGER EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING ON SITE WHICH WE HAVE NO DOUBT WILL ONE DAY BECOME HISTORICALLY DESIGNATED STRUCTURE. THE PROPERTY HAS A COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE AND A COMMERCIAL OFFICE ZONING AND WE ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THOSE DISTRICTS AND DEVELOPING UNDER THOSE REGULATIONS. IN THE EARLY 2000S, A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WAS SIGNED AND AGREED TO BY THIS TOWN COUNCIL AND THE PRIOR OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH DEEDED A PORTION OF WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, APPROXIMATELY 25 FEET WIDE ALONG THE LENGTH OF THE PROPERTY TO THE TOWN FOR THE PURPOSES OF CONSTRUCTING THE RIVERWALK. THAT RIVERWALK HAS SINCE BEEN CONSTRUCTED AND IS A WONDERFUL AMENITY FOR THE TOWN AND ITS RESIDENTS. THERE WERE SOME BENEFITS GIVEN TO THE PROPERTY OWNER AND IT'S ASSIGNEES IN THE FUTURE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY, INCLUDING BONUS POINTS WHICH HAVE SINCE BEEN REMOVED FROM THE CODE, SO THEY'RE NO LONGER APPLICABLE. IT DOES NOT MEET THE MINIMUM 10 ACRE SIZE REQUIREMENT OF A LARGE-SCALE PUD SO WE ARE REQUESTING A WAIVER FOR THAT, WHICH HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE IN THE TOWN OF JUPITER. HERE JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THE LOCATION OF THAT RIVERWALK LAND THAT WAS NEEDED. THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THE PUD IS THE GREEN SPACE REQUIREMENT THAT GOES WITH THE UNDERLYING ZONING DISTRICT OF THE C3 OF 35 PERCENT. NONE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SPECIFICALLY REFERENCED OPEN SPACE, NOT GREEN SPACE. WHILE THERE IS TECHNICALLY A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TWO, THE SPIRIT OF THE AGREEMENT WAS THAT THE LAND DEEDED TO THE TOWN COULD BE USED FOR DEVELOPMENT OF PROPERTY, INCLUDING OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS. WE'RE PROVIDING A LITTLE OVER 30 PERCENT GREEN SPACE ON THE SITE, NOT INCLUDING THE PARCEL DEEDED TO THE TOWN. IF WE WERE TO INCLUDE THAT, AND WE WOULD MEET THE 35 PERCENT AND WE ARE ALSO MOVING THE SIDEWALK ALONG US-1 INTO THE PARCEL TO PROVIDE GREATER SEPARATION FROM US-1 FOR PEDESTRIANS COMING DOWN THAT SIDEWALK, WHICH IN TURN REDUCES THE AMOUNT OF GREEN SPACE PROVIDED ON THE PROPERTY. AS PUBLIC BENEFIT, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS PROPOSING TO UNDERGROUND THE OVERHEAD UTILITIES ALONG US-1 AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD HAVE ADDITIONAL PUBLIC BENEFIT OF SOME LIVING SHORELINE ALONG THE RIVER. MOVING INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE CURRENT SITE AS WELL AS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, THERE ARE TWO EXISTING STRUCTURES ON THE SITE AND EXISTING ALMOST 6,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE, WHICH WE PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED, WAS DEVELOPED AFTER THE LARGER 30,000 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE, WHICH AGAIN WAS DESIGNED BY JEAN LAWRENCE. WE'VE LIKE TO SAY THAT THE GREEN IS BUILDING THAT YOU CAN HAVE IS ONE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO TEAR DOWN SO BIG FOCUS ON THIS DEVELOPMENT WAS SUSTAINABILITY AND MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN DO AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO REDUCE THE IMPACT OF ANYTHING THAT WE DO ON THE SITE. LOOKING AT THE SCALE, THIS AERIAL PHOTO GIVES A REALLY GOOD REFERENCE TO SOME OF THE SURROUNDING BUILDINGS, WHICH ARE TALLER IN SOME CASES, AS WELL AS MUCH LARGER IN MASS THAN BOTH THE EXISTING AND THE PROPOSED STRUCTURES ON THE SITE. AS I SAID, WE'RE ROUGHLY 4.74 ACRES IN SIZE AND WE ARE PROVIDING ROUGHLY 30.3 PERCENT GREEN SPACE AND OUR HEIGHT PROPOSED OF THE BUILDING IS 57.3 FEET AND WE'RE PERMITTED UP TO 60 FEET. HERE'S THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN, A COLORED VERSION OF IT. YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING ON THE UPPER PORTION OF THE GRAPHIC, AND THE PROPOSED OFFICE BUILDING AND ATTACHED PARKING GARAGE ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. WE ARE INTEGRATING LINER RETAIL IN THE FRONT OF THAT GARAGE TO ENHANCE THE ARCHITECTURAL APPEARANCE OF THAT PARKING STRUCTURE, AS WELL AS PROVIDING ADDITIONAL SUPPORTING USES FOR THE OFFICES THERE. WE'RE ALSO PROVIDING CONNECTIONS TO THE RIVERWALK. AS I SAID, MOVING THAT SIDEWALK ALIGN US-1, [01:25:01] I NEEDED THE PROPERTY TO PROVIDE A BIT MORE PROTECTION FOR PEDESTRIANS. LOOKING AT THE ACCESS POINTS WE ARE MODIFYING. IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN TO THE SITE, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE FIRST ACCESS POINT ON THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY DOESN'T HAVE A DECELERATION LANE. IT'S A BIT HAZARDOUS AND FDOT ACTUALLY REQUIRED US TO MODIFY IT SO WE ARE MOVING THAT ACCESS POINT TO THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH ALSO MODIFIES THE NORTHBOUND LEFT TURN LANE INTO THE PROPERTY. ADDITIONALLY, WE ARE MODIFYING THE EXISTING SOUTHERN ENTRANCE FROM AN IN AND OUT TO ONLY A RIGHT OUT. LOOKING AT SOME OF THE INTERNAL CIRCULATION WE DO HAVE AGAIN, THAT NEW MAIN ENTRANCE DRIVE, WHICH GIVES YOU A VERY ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT TERMINATED VISTA WITH TWO LARGE TOWER FEATURES, ONE ON THE EXISTING BUILDING AND ONE ON THE PROPOSED BUILDING. WE ARE PROPOSING FUTURE CROSS ACCESS BOTH FOR PEDESTRIANS AND VEHICLES AGAIN, TO ENCOURAGE A REDUCED NUMBER OF ACCESS POINTS OUT TO US-1 AND MORE INTEGRATED CROSS AXIS BETWEEN THE ADJACENT SITES. WE DO HAVE ABUNDANCE OF PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION OF THE SITE, AS WELL AS A COVERED WALKWAY ALONG THE FRONT OF THE GARAGE LEADING TO THE NEW OFFICE BUILDING. HERE, AS I SAID, WE'RE PROVIDING SEVERAL CONNECTIONS TO THE RIVERWALK. THIS IS AN ELEVATION VIEW OF THE EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING, SHOWING THAT STRONG MID-CENTURY ARCHITECTURE, WHICH WE FOUND SO SIGNIFICANT, WHAT WE'VE MODELED THE NEW PROPOSED OFFICE BUILDING TO BE LIKE, AGAIN, PROMOTING THAT PRESERVATION OF THIS SIGNIFICANT DESIGN THAT WE SEE. WE ARE MODIFYING THE COVERED PARKING AREA ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THE EXISTING BUILDING TO BE A PEDESTRIAN OPEN-AIR PAVILION AS AN AMENITY FOR THE OFFICE USERS. THERE IS A CONDITION RELATED TO THAT, WHICH WE CAN TALK ABOUT. HERE ARE SOME ELEVATIONS OF THE PROPOSED OFFICE STRUCTURE AND GARAGE. AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE DESIGNED IT CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING AND PROVIDED A LOT OF DECORATIVE FEATURES AND WE WORKED REALLY HARD WITH STAFF TO REDUCE THE SCALE OF THE GARAGE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, PROVIDING THAT STEP BACK FROM US-1 SO YOU DON'T HAVE A LARGE MASS UP AGAINST THE ROAD. WE ARE PROPOSING GREEN WALLS ALSO ALONG THAT GARAGE AS ADDITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL TREATMENT, AND HERE ON THE LOWER SIDE YOU CAN SEE THAT TOWER FEATURE WHICH MIRRORS THE EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING. QUICK LOOK AT THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE OR THE LANDSCAPE DESIGN DESIGNED BY DON HEARING, THE PALATE IS PRIMARILY NATIVE, WITH PARTICULAR ATTENTION PAID TO PRESERVING AS MUCH OF THE EXISTING CANOPY COVERAGE ON THE SITE. AGAIN, BEING SEVERAL DECADES OLD TO LARGE TREES THAT WERE PLANTED INITIALLY IF PROVIDED SIGNIFICANT COVERAGE IN THE PARKING AREAS SO AS MUCH AS WE COULD WHILE STILL IMPROVING THE CIRCULATION OF THE SITE, WE'VE PRESERVED AND RELOCATED AS MUCH OF THOSE TREES AS WE COULD. IN HERE'S AGAIN A COLORED GRAPHICS SHOWING THAT LANDSCAPE. THEN JUST A COUPLE OF RENDERINGS TO FINISH UP SHOWING AGAIN THE MASSING OF THOSE TWO BUILDINGS, AND HERE'S AN EXCELLENT GRAPHIC. WE DON'T HAVE SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS OF THE SURROUNDING BUILDINGS, YOU CAN COMPARE, AGAIN THE SIZE OF THOSE BUILDINGS SURROUNDING. I DO HAVE SOME SLIDES ON THE CONDITIONS, BUT SINCE YOU WILL NOT BE VOTING ON THOSE TONIGHT, WE CAN ALWAYS GO OVER THOSE DURING THE NEXT MEETING SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER. >> OVER STAFF. >> GOOD EVENING. FOR THE RECORD, PETER BEGOVIC, SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT. THE APPLICANT HAS TWO APPLICATIONS REQUIRING TOWN COUNCIL REVIEW. THE FIRST IS FOR THE LARGE-SCALE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. A SITE PLAN AMENDMENT APPLICATION WILL FOLLOW ON FEBRUARY 21ST IF THE PUD APPLICATION IS APPROVED ON FIRST READING, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL PROVIDED IN ORDINANCE 1322, AND THE APPROVAL OF THE PUD WAIVER. THE APPLICATION UNDER CONSIDERATION TONIGHT IS THE FIRST READING OF [01:30:01] THE LARGE-SCALE PUD WITH A WAIVER REQUEST TO REDUCE THE MINIMUM SIZE FROM 10 ACRES TO 4.7. THE REASON FOR THE PUD APPLICATION IS TO REDUCE THE MINIMUM GREEN SPACE REQUIREMENT, WHICH IS 35 PERCENT. THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED JUST OVER 30 PERCENT. COMMERCIAL LARGE-SCALE PUD ONLY REQUIRES 15 PERCENT IN COMMERCIAL. THE OWNER HAS PROPOSED TO UNDERGROUND OVERHEAD UTILITIES ALONG US1 TO MEET THE PUD PUBLIC BENEFIT REQUIREMENTS. STAFF IS PROVIDED ADDITIONAL DETAIL REGARDING PUBLIC BENEFITS IN THE STAFF REPORT. REDEVELOPMENT IN THE US1 SECTOR WOULD TYPICALLY REQUIRE THAT THE UNDERGROUND UTILITIES BE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT BUT DUE TO THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT MR. [INAUDIBLE] DISCUSSED APPROVED BACK IN 2010, IT ABSORBED THE OWNER FROM THE EXPENSE TO AND THE TOWN WOULD HAVE TO BEAR IT TO UNDERGROUND UTILITIES. AT THEIR DECEMBER 13TH, 2022 MEETING, THE PLANNING, AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE PUD UNANIMOUSLY. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED THAT ADDITIONAL LIVING SHORELINE ENHANCEMENTS BE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT, WHICH WAS DISCUSSED BY THE APPLICANT AS WELL. STAFF INCLUDED THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THE LIVING SHORELINE ENHANCEMENT, AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC BENEFIT FOR THE PUD AS WELL AS PROVIDED SPECIFICS IN THE PENDING SITE PLAN APPLICATION. I'M NOT GOING TO GO OVER THE SPECIFICS OF THE SITE PLAN TONIGHT BECAUSE IT'S NOT UNDER CONSIDERATION, BUT WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE PUD OR THE UPCOMING SITE PLAN AMENDMENTS, AND WE'LL RESERVE THE REST OF MY TIME FOR REBUTTAL. THANKS. ANY QUESTIONS? >> DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT OR STAFF? >> I HAVE A FEW. QUICKLY I WANT TO SAY I REALLY LIKE THIS PROJECT, SO DON'T WORRY TOO MUCH. [LAUGHTER] BUT I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT ABOUT THE CHILLERS. I KNOW THIS PARCEL IN THIS BUILDING FROM WALKING RIVERWALK ALL THE TIME WITH MY DAUGHTERS AND THIS BUILDING COMES THAT'S NEXT TO THE BEST WESTERN. IT'S RIGHT AFTER. THIS LONG MEANDERING PATH OVER THE WATER, AND ON A HOT SUMMER DAY, THAT CAN BE PRETTY TRICKY. I WELCOME A LOT THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING, BUT THE CHILLERS ARE VERY LOUD, THEY'RE VERY NOISY, THEY'RE VERY UNWELCOME, THEY GREET YOU, THE SECOND YOU FINISH THAT WALKWAY OVER THE RIVER. I SEE THAT YOU'RE SCREENING THEM, WHICH I'M HAPPY TO SEE. DOES THAT MITIGATE THE SOUND FROM THEM? HOW IS THAT BEING APPROACHED AND THEN THE OPEN-AIR PAVILION, IS THAT IN ANY WAY BEING BLOCKED BY THESE SCREENED CHILLERS? I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE FROM THE RIVERWALK PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT PIECE OF IT AND IMPROVING THE QUALITY OF THE RIVERWALK. >> ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE LOOKED AT FROM THE VERY ONSET OF THE PROJECT, EVEN WHEN WE WENT OUT ON-SITE AND WALKED IT WITH GRETCHEN AND BURET WITH THE TOWN EMPLOYEE. WE DID DISCUSS SCREENING THOSE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. WE EXPLORED THE OPTIONS WITH THE ARCHITECT AS WELL AS THE ENGINEER TO PROVIDE EITHER RELOCATING THEM OR PROVIDING ADDITIONAL SCREENING. [LAUGHTER] >> GREAT QUESTION. YES, WE ARE GOING TO SOUNDPROOF THE WALLS AND THE DOORS AND THE ENCLOSURE BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BOTHERED US TOO. >> THAT'S WONDERFUL. >> I'M SORRY. RICK GONZALEZ, REG ARCHITECTS. >> THANK YOU. A QUESTION FOR STAFF OR A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. THE APPLICANT HAD MENTIONED THAT THIS LARGE-SCALE PUD, THE WAIVER FOR THE SMALLER FOOTPRINT, FEWER THAN 10 ACRES HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE IN THE TOWN. DO YOU KNOW OF ANY OTHER PROJECTS WHERE THIS HAS BEEN DONE? I HATE TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. >> IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. >> JOHN SACKLER, PLANNING AND ZONING DIRECTOR, FOR THE RECORD. I HAD A FEELING YOU WERE GOING TO ASK THAT QUESTION OR SOMEONE WOULD. I DIDN'T REALLY PREPARE FOR IT. PRIOR TO US CHANGING THE CODE TO CREATE THE SMALL-SCALE PUD, THERE HAD BEEN A NUMBER THAT WE HAD WAIVERS FOR THE REDUCED SIZE. I THINK SINCE THAT TIME WE'VE PROBABLY ONLY HAD A FEW. NONE IMMEDIATELY COME TO MIND BUT SOMETIMES THERE ARE SOME THINGS IN THE SMALL-SCALE PUD THAT CANNOT BE WAIVED THAT CAN BE WAIVED IN THE LARGE-SCALE PUD. I DO RECALL FISHERMAN'S WHARF THE RESIDENTIAL TOWERS. [01:35:02] THEY TRIED TO DO SOMETHING TO GET AROUND THE RECREATION IMPACT REQUIREMENTS OF THE LARGE-SCALE PUD. IT'S A LITTLE BIT COMPLEX. I'M SORRY, I REALLY DON'T HAVE A GREAT ANSWER FOR YOU BUT I KNOW IT HAS HAPPENED. LIKE I SAID, IT WAS MORE COMMON BEFORE THE SMALL-SCALE PUD. >> PART OF THE REASON JUST TO CONFIRM BECAUSE I'VE WATCHED THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING, WAS THAT THE VERY SPECIFIC PUBLIC BENEFIT THAT THIS APPLICANT WANTED TO PROVIDE WAS THE UNDERGROUNDING. IT'S NOT LISTED. FOR SMALL-SCALE PUD I SEE SIX. YOU HAVE SIX PUBLIC BENEFITS THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE. IS THAT RIGHT? ONE BEING GREEN DESIGN THEORIES. >> YES. >> OF COURSE, HOUSING. >> YES. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE, THEY DIDN'T COME TO US FROM THE BEGINNING WHEN THEY SUBMITTED THEIR APPLICATION TO REQUEST A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. IT WAS DUE TO THE ISSUE WITH THE LANGUAGE AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SPECIFYING OPEN SPACE AND NOT REALLY ADDRESSING GREEN SPACE. >> UNDERSTOOD. >> THAT HAS BEEN CONFUSION IN THE PAST AMONGST FOLKS NOT REALIZING THE DISTINCTIONS BETWEEN THE TWO. WE HAD DISCUSSED THIS ISSUE AND THERE WERE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. AN AMENDMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT COULD HAVE BEEN REQUESTED, BUT THEY WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROCESS WITH THEIR SITE PLAN APPLICATION. ULTIMATELY, THE DECISION WAS TO USE THE PROCESS OF A PUD IN ORDER TO RESOLVE THAT ISSUE AND TO BRING IT BEFORE THE COUNCIL SO THAT YOU WOULD HAVE SOMETHING IN FRONT OF YOU THAT YOU COULD MAKE A DECISION ABOUT THE INTERPRETATION OF THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND LET THE PROJECT MOVE FORWARD. >> JUST ONE MORE QUESTION FOR STAFF, THEN I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THE APPLICANT. APOLOGIES FOR THE CARDIO THIS EVENING. BUT WHY EXEMPT THEM FROM UNDERGROUNDING? TYPICALLY WITH REDEVELOPMENT OR WITH THE PROJECT, THERE'S THE REQUIREMENT UNDERGROUND. >> I WASN'T DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN THE NEGOTIATION OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WAS HANDLED THROUGH THE CRA OR CRA STAFF. I COULDN'T REALLY TELL YOU WHY THEY CHOSE THAT. THAT IS WHERE WE HAD TO DEAL WITH, OR WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US. >> UNDERSTOOD. LET ME SEE. I THINK THAT'S IT FOR NOW. THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NO OTHER QUESTIONS, I TURN IT OVER TO THE PUBLIC, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? >> NO MAYOR. >> GOOD TO SEEING NONE, WE'LL GO BACK TO STAFF OR THE APPLICANT. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY REBUTTALS OR ANYTHING IN STAFF. NOTHING. BACK TO COUNCIL THEN FOR FINAL DISCUSSION, DELIBERATIONS, AND MOTION. >> I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THE PROJECT. I THINK THE ARCHITECT DID A GOOD JOB AT THE SITE. MY ISSUES REALLY HAVE TO DO MORE WITH OUR OWN PROCESS. THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A WAIVER HERE TO GET INTO LARGE-SCALE PUD BECAUSE A SMALL-SCALE PUD DOESN'T WORK IS REALLY A PET PEEVE OF MINE THAT I'VE HAD FOR A LONG TIME, WHICH IS WHY EIGHT MONTHS AGO I'VE ASKED FOR US TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THIS WHOLE PROCESS BECAUSE IT PUTS APPLICANTS IN THIS POSITION OF HAVING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH RULE TO GO ON THERE TO NAVIGATE TO GET THEIR PROJECTS THROUGH. I DON'T REALLY I DON'T THINK THAT'S BEST PRACTICE AND I THINK WE CAN DO BETTER ON THAT. BUT ASIDE THAT'S MY ISSUE THAT'S COME UP WITH THE PROJECT BY THE PROJECT. BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE PROJECT AND I THINK THEY'VE DONE A GOOD JOB. >> DID YOU WANT TO [OVERLAPPING] >> ANYONE ELSE? [LAUGHTER] EVERYONE'S LOOKING AT ME. >> THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS OR MOTION. >> I LIKE TO PROJECT HEAD, I THINK IT'S AN UPGRADE TO WHAT IS THERE NOW. I LIKE HOW YOU SHADED THE PARKING GARAGE. PARKING GARAGES ARE UGLY. PEOPLE IN JUPITER GENERALLY DON'T LIKE THEM. MR. HERRING. THEY'RE PRACTICAL. THEY CREATE MORE EXFILTRATION FOR RAINWATER, BUT IF YOU CAN HIDE THE THING, IT'S THE WAY TO GO. I THINK THAT WAS A NICE MOVE IN. IT WAS A NICE DESIGN BY THE ARCHITECT, YOU ALWAYS DO GREAT WORK SO I THINK IT'S DEFINITELY AN UPGRADE. >> I AGREE. I LOVE THIS PROJECT TO BE HONEST. I WALK THROUGH RIVERWALK ALL THE TIME AND IT GETS VERY SUNNY AND WITH SMALL CHILDREN, IT GETS VERY DIFFICULT AND ESPECIALLY ON THE SECTION THAT YOU'RE DEVELOPING. [01:40:03] I REALLY APPRECIATE THE STAIRS. THEY PROVIDE SEATING. I THINK MY KIDS CAN JUMP ON THEM AND PLAY ON THEM AND WILL BE WELCOME AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE RESTAURANT. I THINK THAT HELPS ACTIVATE THE RIVERWALK AND PROVIDE A PIECE OF INTEREST. I THINK YOU START TO LOSE INTEREST ON THE RIVERWALK AT AROUND THAT POINT ANYHOW, SO IT PROVIDES ANOTHER POINT OF INTEREST AND PERHAPS A RESTROOM IF NEEDED, BUT IF THEY'RE GENEROUS, [LAUGHTER] DEPENDING. THE CHILLERS, THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FROM THE RIVERWALK PERSPECTIVE AS WELL. THAT BUILDING IS BEAUTIFUL. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN IT, BUT THE ARCHES ON THE TOP HAVE CAUGHT [NOISE] MY ATTENTION FOR A LONG TIME NOW. THE FACT THAT YOU'RE HONORING THEM AND THE NEW DESIGN, I REALLY WELCOME. I DID APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WITH THE ANCILLARY RETAIL, BUT I THINK THE COFFEE SHOP IS PROBABLY GOING TO DO JUST FINE THERE AND SOON LOOK FORWARD TO HOW YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO APPROACH THAT. BUT I THINK THE UNDERGROUNDING CONFUSES ME, BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S GOOD AS WELL AS THE LIVING SHORELINE AND IT'S A REALLY GOOD PROJECT. WELL DONE. >> YEAH. I AGREE, PROJECT LOOKS GREAT SO THANK YOU GUYS FOR ADDING THAT TO THE RIVERWALK. THINK IT'S GOING TO LOOK GOOD. >> MAY I HAVE A MOTION. >> MOTION TO APPROVE? >> SECOND. >> MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> AYE. >> MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. I GUESS WE'RE SUPPOSED TO READ, PLEASE ORDINANCE 1322 ON SHORT TITLE. >> IN ORDINANCE TO THE TOWN COUNCIL TOWN JUPITER, FLORIDA, APPROVING A LARGE-SCALE PLANT UNIT DEVELOPMENT TO BE KNOWN AS THE RIVER PLAZA PLANT UNIT DEVELOPMENT, LOCATED ON 4.7 ACRES AT 900 SOUTH US HIGHWAY 1, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO PUBLIC BUSINESS. [8. Consideration of Settlement Documents for Harbourside Place, LLC, vs. Town of Jupiter.] ITEM NUMBER 8, CONSIDERATION OF SETTLEMENT DOCUMENTS FOR HARBORSIDE PLACE. I GUESS I TURN IT OVER TO THE TOWN ATTORNEY. >> THANK YOU. MAYOR. WHAT THE COUNCIL HAS BEFORE IS A SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT THAT YOU HAVE WORKED ON FOR ITS OWN TIME. A BRIEF SUMMARY OF THE MAJOR POINTS OF THAT IS THAT FOR YEARS THE ISSUE HAS BEEN THE OUTDOOR VENUE AND THE NUMBER OF EVENTS, AS WELL AS THE SOUND THAT HAS OCCURRED AT THOSE EVENTS, MR. GREEN WOULD ELIMINATE THE OUTDOOR VENUE STATUS, WHICH PERMITTED UNLIMITED NUMBER OF EVENTS, INCLUDING UNLIMITED NUMBER OF AMPLIFIED EVENTS AND IT HAS BEEN REPLACED WITH IF APPROVED BY COUNCIL AFTER PUBLIC HEARINGS DEVELOPMENT ORDER CONDITION WHICH LIMITS THE EVENTS TO 24 COMMUNITY EVENTS. ALL OF THOSE EVENTS WOULD HAVE TO MEET EXISTING CODE FOR SOUND 10 AMPLIFIED EVENTS, WHICH YOU MAY RECALL PREVIOUSLY WAS SUBJECT TO REASONABLY EXCEEDING THE CODE. INSTEAD, THOSE EVENTS CANNOT EXCEED 75 DBAS, WHICH IS A STANDARD THAT HAS LONG BEEN MOVED BY HARBORSIDE AND THE TOWN FOR EVENTS AND HAS BY AND LARGE, NOT CAUSED PROBLEMS FOR SURROUNDING RESIDENTS. IT ALSO REQUIRES THE COUNCIL TO APPROVE AN ANNUAL EVENT SCHEDULE. FROM EXPERIENCE IN THE PAST, THAT SCHEDULE IS LIKELY NOT TO VARY VERY MUCH FROM YEAR TO YEAR. BUT NEVERTHELESS, COUNCIL HAS CONTROL OVER THE ACTUAL SCHEDULE BY HAVING THAT DIALOGUE WITH THE DEVELOPER. IMPORTANTLY, CHANGES TWO USES IN BUILDING 3A, WHICH HAS BEEN VACANT SINCE HARBORSIDE WAS CONSTRUCTED. ONE OF THE CHANGES IS TO CONVERT RETAIL, AND I THINK MOST FOLKS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE STATE OF RETAIL THESE DAYS TO A RESTAURANT USE AND THE SECOND WOULD CONVERT AN INDOOR RECREATION USE, WHICH AGAIN HAS NEVER BEEN OCCUPIED TO AN OFFICE USE. THOSE USES AND THE REVIEW OF THE CHANGE OF USES, HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR ITS REVIEW AND COMMENT AND IT HAS TO GO TO THE COUNCIL FOR COUNCIL TO ACTUALLY APPROVE THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT CHANGES, [01:45:05] AS WELL AS THE OUTDOOR VENUE CHANGE, AND THE CONDITION THAT I REFERENCED PREVIOUSLY. THE CRA AND YOU DO HAVE A CRA MEETING SCHEDULED TO TAKE ACTION ON THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT IF YOU CHOOSE TO, BUT THERE WAS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE AGREEMENT THAT HAS EXISTED FOR YEARS. MONEY IS DEPOSITED ANNUALLY INTO A TRUST FUND FOR THE CRA AND THERE WAS A PROVISION IN THAT AGREEMENT THAT ALLOWED FOR ESSENTIALLY A REBATE OF A PORTION OF THE TAXES TO BE PAID. THE FUND NOW STANDS AT OVER $1.7 MILLION. OF THAT $1.7 MILLION THE TOWN WOULD RETAIN OR THE CRA WOULD RETAIN $1,198,733, $560,657 WOULD BE WIRED TO THE CDD AND THE ECONOMIC INCENTIVE AGREEMENT WOULD BE TERMINATED THEREAFTER. THAT VALUE OR THAT SAVINGS TO THE TOWN HAS BEEN PROJECTED BY THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT TO BE PERHAPS AS MUCH AS THREE MILLION DOLLARS. THAT WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTIES ARE. THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT WITH RESPECT TO THE PROVISIONS WITH THE COUNCIL IS BEFORE YOU AT YOUR MEETING ON THE CRA, THE PROVISION ON THE INCENTIVE AGREEMENT WOULD BE BEFORE YOU. IF IT IS COUNCIL'S CHOICE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU'D LIKE TO AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT ON BEHALF OF THE COUNCIL. >> COUNCIL, IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS, YOU WANT TO MAKE OR A MOTION. >> WE'VE HAD, HOW MANY STRAIGHT MEETINGS ON THIS WITH THIS COUNCIL THREE. I THINK WE'VE KNOCKED IT AROUND FOR A WHILE. >> SEVEN. >> UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING FOR DISCUSSION, I HAVE MOTION TO APPROVE THE SETTLING AGREEMENT. >> SECOND. >> MOTION IN THE SECOND. I JUST DO THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE THAT I JUST MAKE A FEW REMARKS TO THE DEGREE THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE EVER VOTED IN FAVOR OF A HARBORSIDE ITEM, BUT I REALLY WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE APPLICANT. I VIEW THIS AS AND HAVING MET WITH THEM, I DO BELIEVE THAT THEIR INTENTIONS ARE TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS, NOT TO OFFEND. I DON'T THINK YOU HAD BEEN ALWAYS, BUT I FEEL THERE'S A SINCERE EFFORT WITH THIS SETTLEMENT PROPOSAL TO PUT US ON A DIFFERENT TRACK, WELL I'M PLEASED FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. I THINK IT IS THE COLLECTIVE INTENT OF THE COUNCIL THAT THE APPLICATION BE SUBMITTED AND PROCESSED RATHER QUICKLY BECAUSE THIS IS A WELL DEFINED NARROW SCOPE THAT WE'VE REACHED AGREEMENT ON. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT SAT ON THE RECORD. WITH THAT, THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. MOVING ON. WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR FIRING EMS SUSTAINABILITY AND FEASIBILITY STUDY, [9. Fire and EMS Sustainability and Feasibility Study.] AND I'LL TURN THAT OVER TO STEFF. >> GOOD EVENING MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, TOWN ADMINISTRATOR, KITCHEN ROW. JOE POZZO WAS CENTER FOR PUBLIC SAFETY MANAGEMENT [NOISE] AND TONIGHT WE WILL GIVE OUR FINAL PRESENTATION ON OUR PROJECT, WHICH IS CULMINATED IN A TECHNICAL REPORT WHICH WE DELIVERED IN 1ST OF JANUARY. I'LL GO OVER THAT, WHAT OUR FINDINGS ARE THIS EVENING. WITH ME IS MARK PILAND WITH CENTER FOR PUBLIC SAFETY MANAGEMENT SENIOR ASSOCIATE, LISTENING WAS JASON BRADY UP IN NEW JERSEY, HE DID THE EMS PORTION, AND SUSIE DARBY WHO DID THE FISCAL ANALYSIS FOR A TOWN FIRE DEPARTMENT. AS WE STATED WHEN WE WERE HERE BEFORE, THIS REALLY ISN'T AN ANALYSIS ON A PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE. THIS IS AN ANALYSIS ON SUSTAINABILITY AND [01:50:03] AFFORDABILITY FOR THE TOWN MOVING FORWARD WITH FIRE RESCUE. TOWN VALUES THE RELATIONSHIP THAT THEY HAVE VERY MUCH WITH PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE. THAT HAS BEEN STATED OVER AND OVER AGAIN. WE ALSO NOTED THAT AS WELL ON OUR REPORT WITH THE BI-ANNUAL TOWN CITIZENS SURVEY AND THE FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT ALWAYS IS IN THE 90TH PERCENTILE. VERY WELL-LIKED HERE IN THE TOWN. LITTLE RECAP WHY THE STUDY. WELL, THE STUDY REALLY IS ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY. THE CURRENT AGREEMENT THAT YOU HAVE WITH PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE EXPIRES IN SEPTEMBER OF 2023. TOWNS NOTIFIED EARLY ON THAT THE PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT DID NOT WANT TO CONTINUE WITH THE SAME CONTRACT. THEY WANTED TO CHANGE THE COST METHODOLOGY REALLY IT TAKES THE TOWN TO A STRAIGHT MILLAGE RATE, MOVE AWAY FROM AN ACTUAL COST; SO THAT PROMPTED THIS STUDY. THIS REALLY DROVE TOWN TO LOOK AT WHAT ARE ALTERNATIVES. OBVIOUS HERE, BACK IN NOVEMBER, WE PRESENTED FOUR ALTERNATIVES, GAVE YOU SOME KEY FINDINGS, WHAT WE HAD FOUND SO FAR. NOT A LOT OF THAT HAS CHANGED. HOWEVER, WHAT WE DID AND WHAT WE ALWAYS DO IN THE TECHNICAL REPORT, WHEN ANYBODY ASKS US, WELL, HOW CAN WE IMPROVE SERVICES OR WHAT SERVICES? WHAT DO WE NEED? IN THIS CASE IF WE WANTED TO START OUR OWN TOWN FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE DEDICATED QUITE A BIT IN THE TECHNICAL REPORT ON WHAT WE THINK WOULD FIT A TOWN OF 60,000 PEOPLE, 21-22 SQUARE MILES OR SO AND VERY URBANIZED. AND THE TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS THAT YOU HAVE HERE. ALL OF THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE TECHNICAL REPORT. AGAIN, WE STARTED OUR WORK IN JULY. WE WERE VERY AGGRESSIVE IN OUR TIMELINE, WAS HERE IN NOVEMBER AND GAVE YOU THE KEY FINDINGS. THE TECHNICAL REPORT, AGAIN, DELIVERED IN JANUARY AND I'M HERE TONIGHT TO DELIVER WHAT WE THINK IS THE FINAL REPORT. JUST TO RECAP ON THE CAUSE FOR PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE. THE CURRENT ITERATION HAS $25 MILLION, THAT INCLUDES $20 MILLION, ALMOST $21 MILLION OF DIRECT COST. THOSE ARE DONE BY ON A PERCENTAGE BASIS OF THE BATTALION ONE, A PERSONNEL COSTS MINUS STATIONS 17 AND 68. WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT AS I GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION. THERE'S ALSO FIVE MILLION DOLLARS IN OVERHEAD COST, AND THIS YEAR THERE'S A MILLION DOLLARS IN CAPITAL. WHAT DOES THE TOWN FUND? REALLY THE TOWN FUNDS NOT ONLY THE TOWN UNITS IN JUPITER, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE SOME FUNDING THAT GOES TOWARDS THE FIRE STATION AND ON INDIANTOWN ROAD STATION 14, AND ALSO SOME FUNDING THAT GOES TO STATION 15. THAT'S JUST THE WAY THE CONTRACT IS SET UP. THE DIRECT COST LINE ARE ALL COST MINUS STATIONS 17 AND 68 IN BATTALION 1. THERE'S SOME OTHER COST AS WELL. STATION 19 HAS SPECIAL OPERATIONS AS FOR THE COMMAND UNITS ARE, THERE'S EMS SUPERVISION THERE AS WELL. THERE ARE SOME FISCAL COSTS FROM YOUR CONTRACT THAT GO TOWARDS THAT. THE WORKLOAD, WE DON'T EVER DO A STUDY REALLY WITHOUT LOOKING AT WORKLOAD. WORKLOAD TELLS US A LOT ABOUT HOW ACTIVE A FIRE DEPARTMENT IS, AND YOU HAVE A VERY BUSY FIRE AND RESCUE DEPARTMENT HERE IN JUPITER. THIS INCLUDES JUST THE DEMAND DATA THAT IS IN THE TOWN MUNICIPAL BOUNDARIES, BUT IT DOES NOT INCLUDE ANYTHING IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS OR THE UNINCORPORATED ISLANDS AND THE TOWN. WE HAD A LITTLE MISCOMMUNICATION WITH THE COUNTY, OUR DATA ANALYSIS TEAM. WE HAVE REQUESTED THAT INFORMATION SO THAT WE CAN UPDATE THIS REPORT AND GIVE THAT TO YOU. THAT CURRENTLY NOW IS IN THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR AN ANSWER THERE TO CLEAR THAT SO WE CAN GET THAT. ONCE WE HAVE THAT, WE'LL UPDATE THE WORKLOAD. THERE IS DATA THAT'S AVAILABLE TO [01:55:02] THE UNITED STATES FIRE ADMINISTRATION THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET. WE LOOKED AT 2021 OUR DATA TEAM, SO WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL HUNDRED CALLS IN THOSE UNINCORPORATED ISLANDS WITHIN THE TOWN ON ABOUT 1,100 CALLS JUST TO THE WEST THAT THESE JUPITER UNITS WOULD PARTICIPATE IN SOME PERCENTAGE OF THOSE. THAT'S JUST GIVES YOU AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE DATA IS. THE STATIONS THEMSELVES. STATION 16, YOU CAN SEE THERE IS THE BUSIEST. THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN JUST CALLS, THESE ARE RUNS. WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR DATA, WE LOOK AT WHAT CALLS FOR SERVICE ARE, SO THERE WERE 8,268 CALLS THAT THE JUPITER UNITS RESPONDED TO WAS A SINGLE INCIDENT. THOSE INCENTIVES SOMETIMES TAKE MULTIPLE UNITS, AND SO WE COUNT THOSE AS WELL BECAUSE THAT'S THE TOTAL WORKLOAD OF A FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT. THIS SLIDE HERE REALLY JUST TELLS YOU WHAT THE TOTAL WORKLOAD IS. REALLY WANT TO GET INTO THE DATA. THERE IS A DATA ANALYSIS SECTION, IT'S AN APPENDIX IN THE REPORT. AS WELL THERE'S A LOT OF TITLES TO WHAT TYPES OF CALLS THEY'RE, THERE'S GOOD INTENT CALLS, THERE'S PUBLIC SERVICE CALLS, THEY'RE STRUCTURED FIRES, THERE'S OUTSIDE FIRES. THIS ALL PART OF THE NATIONAL FIRE INCIDENT REPORTING SYSTEM. WHAT WE DID THOUGH IS ON PAGE 80 OF THE TECHNICAL REPORT, WE GAVE DEFINITIONS OF ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF CALLS TO HELP THE READER. WE ALSO LOOK AT, IN A CASE LIKE THIS. WHAT'S THE BENEFIT OF THE COUNTY HAVING THE TOWN OF JUPITER AS A SERVICE PROVIDER? OR HAVING INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE TOWN OF JUPITER? WELL, IT'S THE LAST LARGEST MUNICIPALITY, NORTH PALM BEACH COUNTY. THAT'S IMPORTANT. IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE CORE OF THEIR UNITS, THE CORE OF THEIR AGENCY REALLY IS CENTRAL PALM BEACH COUNTY AND THEN TO THE SOUTH. WHEN YOU GET INTO WHERE YOUR AREA IS, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE RESOURCES. ONE BENEFIT AS A COUNTY OR EVEN A FIRE DISTRICT, A LOT OF FIRE DISTRICTS WILL DO THIS WHEN THEY CONTRACT WITH MUNICIPALITIES IS WE CAN PUT RESOURCES THERE THAT ALSO CAN HELP THE UNINCORPORATED AREA, CAN HELP OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, PERHAPS THAT WE ARE CONTRACTING WITH. THAT'S A CLEAR BENEFIT FOR THEM. ANOTHER BENEFIT ACTUALLY IS, AS WELL IS TO ESTABLISH A COMMUNITY FIRE DEPARTMENT HERE IN THE TOWN OF JUPITER. THERE'S ALSO FISCAL BENEFIT AS I JUST DESCRIBED. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CONTRACT AND YOU LOOK AT THE CONTEXT OF HOW THAT AGREEMENT IS LAID OUT, AND THE PREMIUM DOLLARS THAT THE JUPITER RESIDENTS PAYING, YOU'RE NOT JUST PAYING FOR SERVICES INSIDE OF THE TOWN OF JUPITER. THERE ARE SOME TENTACLES ATTACHED TO THE CONTRACT TO STATION 14 AND THE STATION 15 AND ALL THE OTHER RESOURCES THE STATION 19. IT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT WELL, WHAT WILL IT COST THE TOWN IF WE JUST WANTED TO DO OUR OWN FIRE DEPARTMENT? THERE ARE SOME COMPARISONS THERE AND ALSO WHEN YOU GET INTO WHAT THE OVERHEAD COST ARE. NOW WHEN YOU GET INTO THE OVERHEAD COSTS AND YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AS WELL, AND WE'VE LAID THAT OUT IN THE REPORT, THERE'S SOME COST IN THERE THAT GO TOWARDS INTERNAL SERVICES TO THE COUNTY. THERE'S $966,000 THAT GO TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, THERE'S $1.4 MILLION IN OVERHEAD MANAGEMENT; MOVES AWAY FROM TYPICAL OVERHEAD COSTS SUCH AS FLEET MAINTENANCE AND FACILITIES MAINTENANCE AND TRAINING AND SOME THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH THEY HAVE SPELLED OUT IN THERE AS WELL. BUT THERE ARE SOME OTHER COSTS AND OVERHEAD THAT DO CREATE A FISCAL BENEFIT FOR THE COUNTY. THIS JUST SHOWS THOSE STATIONS IN BATTALION 1 WHERE THE DIRECT COSTS ARE DERIVED FROM. YOU CAN SEE THE THREE STATIONS AND JUPITER, BUT ALSO DOWN IN JUNEAU AND OUT IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREA. THEN OF COURSE, ALL THE RESOURCES THAT STATION 19 THAT SERVED THE TOWN OF JUPITER. I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T SAY THEY DIDN'T SERVE THE TOWN OF JUPITER, BUT THEY ALSO ARE IN PLACE TO SERVE THE NORTHERN PORTION OF PALM BEACH COUNTY. [02:00:02] BENEFIT TO THE TOWN FOR CONTRACTING. THERE'S ONE BIG BENEFIT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO MANAGE A FIRE AND RESCUE DEPARTMENT. THAT'S THE BIGGEST BENEFIT FOR CONTRACTING. IT'S NOT BEYOND THE REALM THOUGH, OF THE TOWN MANAGING A LARGE AGENCY SUCH AS THIS. BECAUSE YOU ALREADY MANAGING THOSE. THE TOWN MANAGER MANAGES A POLICE DEPARTMENT, PUBLIC WORKS, UTILITIES, HUMAN RESOURCES, EVERYTHING THAT GOES ON. PLANNING AND ZONING. WE JUST SPENT AN HOUR OR MORE ON PLANNING AND ZONING ISSUES. YOU ALREADY ARE MANAGING COMPLEX AGENCIES AND DECISIONS, BUT THAT'S THE BIGGEST. OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AROUND YOU AS WELL HAVE THEIR OWN FIRE AND RESCUE DEPARTMENT. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU SHOULD MISS. IT'S NOT THAT YOU CAN'T DO IT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. IF YOU THINK THAT YOU CAN BE MORE SUSTAINABLE DOING THAT. WE'VE TAKEN A LOT OF TIME A CONTEMPLATED MANY THINGS AT A TECHNICAL REPORT THAT I BELIEVE CAN GET YOU THERE IF YOU SO CHOOSE. WE GAVE YOU FOUR ALTERNATIVES IN NOVEMBER. THEY HAVEN'T CHANGED. THE FIRST ALTERNATIVE IS STILL TO ACCEPT WHAT REALLY IS THE ONLY WRITTEN PROPOSAL THAT COUNTY FIRE HAS OFFERED. THEY HAVE COME TO THE TABLE WITH SOME ITERATIONS VERBALLY OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF PERHAPS FUNDING MECHANISMS. BUT THEY'RE REALLY STILL TODAY IS ONLY ONE FORMAL PROPOSAL AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT YOU RECEIVED IN JULY 2022 THAT TAKES YOU FROM WHAT YOUR CURRENT MSTU IS TO THE COUNTYWIDE MSTU. SECOND IS TO CONTRACT WITH ANOTHER CONTIGUOUS MUNICIPALITY. THAT HASN'T CHANGED. IT DIDN'T CHANGE TO THE TECHNICAL REPORT WHEN I UPDATED YOU IN NOVEMBER. THAT REMAINS THE SAME. THE THIRD ALTERNATIVE REMAINS THE SAME AS WELL. CREATE A FIRE DISTRICT UNDER THE STATE OF FLORIDA STATUTES AND INDEPENDENT FIRE CONTROL DISTRICT. THAT'S STILL AN OPTION. BUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WHAT I HAVE FOUND IS THAT I THINK ALTERNATIVES 2 AND 3 ARE DOWN BELOW NOW. I THINK THAT IN MY DISCUSSIONS WITH TOWN ADMINISTRATION. IT REALLY IS. DO WE ACCEPT OR CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY WITH A PROPOSAL THAT'S ON THE TABLE. OR DO WE BE SERIOUS AND LOOK AT CREATING OUR OWN FIRE DEPARTMENT? TWO OR THREE ARE STILL THERE. BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO NUMBER THREE, YOU WANT TO HAVE SOME STAKE IN IT. TYPICALLY, WHEN MUNICIPALITIES OR COUNTIES IN FLORIDA, DO AN INDEPENDENT FIRE CONTROL DISTRICT OR THERE'S SOME UNINCORPORATED AREAS THAT DO INDEPENDENT FIRE CONTROL DISTRICTS. SOMEBODY HAS A STAKE IN THAT. YOU WOULD EITHER JUST BE PAYING FOR SERVICE OR YOU WOULD AT LEAST HAVE SOME RESOURCES THAT THE TOWN HAS INSIDE OF JUPITER TO BE PART OF THIS DISTRICT. CONTRACTING WITH A CONTIGUOUS MUNICIPALITY WILL RENDER WHAT YOU'RE FACING TODAY EVENTUALLY. EVENTUALLY YOU'RE GOING TO GET TO A POINT. IF YOU CONTRACT WITH ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY IS, COST WILL ESCALATE BECAUSE SERVICE ESCALATES. AS SERVICE ESCALATES OR DIFFERENT FACTORS INSIDE OF THAT FIRE DEPARTMENT ESCALATE SO GO YOUR COST, WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENS IN ANY CONTRACT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T PREDICT THE FUTURE. THAT'S THE ONE THING YOU CAN'T PREDICT IS WHERE ARE WE GOING TO BE THREE YEARS FROM NOW, FOUR YEARS FROM NOW, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW WITH ANY AGENCY THAT WE'RE CONTRACTING WITH BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR COSTS ARE GOING TO BE. YOU DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER THOSE. WHETHER IT'S THE COUNTY OR CONTIGUOUS MUNICIPALITY, WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE IS CONTROL. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT RISES TO THE TOP EVERY TIME WE GO THROUGH EVERY ITERATION OF WHAT THESE ALTERNATIVES ARE. ITS CONTROL, ITS AFFORDABILITY, AND WHAT WE CAN CONTROL AS A COUNCIL. BECAUSE YOU DON'T SIT IN A COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT NEGOTIATIONS. YOU DON T KNOW HOW THOSE ARE GOING TO BE LAID OUT. THEY HAPPEN. THEY'RE APPROVED AT THE COUNTY LEVEL AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO EVENTUALLY HIT YOUR CONTRACT. [02:05:03] YOU DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER HOW FIRE ADMINISTRATION IS MADE UP, HOW BIG IT IS, HOW IT EXPANDS AND HOW IT DOESN'T EXPAND. BUT EVENTUALLY THAT WILL HIT YOUR OVERHEAD COST. THAT'S NOT JUST WITH THE COUNTY, THAT WOULD BE WITH ANY CONTIGUOUS MUNICIPALITY THAT YOU MAY CHOOSE TO CONTRACT WITH. WE WON'T TALK ANYMORE ABOUT THOSE TWO CONCEPTS THEY'RE THERE. WE'VE GIVEN YOU THAT INFORMATION IN THE REPORT. THE LAST IS CREATE A TOWN OF JUPITER FIRE DEPARTMENT. WE'LL START AGAIN WITH JUST THE STATUS QUO. WHICH IS THE ONLY FORMAL AGREEMENT PROPOSAL THAT YOU HAVE. YOU CAN ACCEPT THAT AND MOVE ON. THAT'S A CHOICE YOU CAN CONTINUE TO NEGOTIATE, WHICH WAS THE PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE IS IN GOOD FAITH DOING. THEY DID SEND A MEMO TO THE TOWN ON JANUARY 3RD ASKING TO GET TOGETHER WITH TOWN STAFF TO CONTINUE NEGOTIATION, TRIED TO FIND SOME COST METHODOLOGY THAT YOU WILL BE COMFORTABLE WITH. TOWN ADMINISTRATION WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH. HOWEVER, IT STILL GETS BACK TO WHAT WE HAD BEEN TOLD. AS YOUR CONSULTANCIES, WE WANT AN ACTUAL COST METHODOLOGY. THAT'S WHAT WE WANT. WE LIKE WHAT WE HAVE, THE ACTUAL COST, WE KNOW WHAT IT IS. WE HAVE SOME NEGOTIATION WITH THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD. WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER IT, BUT WE HAVE SOME NEGOTIATION AND THE COUNTY DOES COME TO YOU AND THEY WANT TO ADD. THEY HAVE DONE THAT IN THE PAST. THEY'VE COME TO YOU AND SAID, WE WANT TO ADD A PERSON HERE, OR WE THINK WE NEED TO ADD A PERSON HERE. WE WANT TO FUND THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF APPARATUS OVER HERE. THEY COME TO YOU. YOU EITHER APPROVE THAT OR YOU DON'T APPROVE IT. YOU HAVE SOME CONTROL OVER THOSE COSTS, BUT THE LARGEST PERCENTAGE YOU DO NOT. FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT I STATED. IN ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE SEEN, THE ACTUAL JULY 2022, A FORMAL PROPOSAL, AND THE ITERATIONS AFTER THAT, WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANY NEW SERVICES PROPOSED. NO NEW SERVICES PROPOSED. LET'S JUMP INTO ALTERNATIVE 4. A 36 MONTHS PLAN FOR TOWN RESCUE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND YOU CAN'T DO IT ANY SOONER THAN THAT. IT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE IN TODAY'S TIMES WITH SUPPLY CHAIN, PARTICULARLY FOR MANUFACTURERS OF FIRE APPARATUS, THE LEAD TIME ON THOSE NOW IS 32-36 MONTHS. THERE'S NO WAY YOU COULD PUT ONE IN PLACE, A FULL-TIME FIRE DEPARTMENT. HOWEVER, WHEN WE LOOK AT IT, WE LISTENED LAST TIME WE WERE HERE. WE LIKE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE WE HAVE. WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE LEVEL OF SERVICE WE HAVE. OUR CITIZENS ARE COMFORTABLE. THEY VOTE 90TH PERCENTILE FOR PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE. EVERY TWO YEARS THEY GO RIGHT TO THE TOP. WE LIKE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, WHICH IS THREE ENGINES, THREE MEDIC UNITS OR RESCUE UNITS, AMBULANCES, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THEM. IT'S 3 RESCUE UNITS. WE LIKED THAT MODEL. THAT'S WHAT WE CONCENTRATED ON AS WE WENT THROUGH. WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO STAFF AND DEPLOY A TOWN OF JUPITER FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT. NOW, WE NEVER DO A STUDY WHERE WE DON'T DO COMMUNITY RISK PROFILE IF WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO WHAT IS THE BEST METHODOLOGY TO STAFF A FIRE AND RESCUE DEPARTMENT. WE DID THAT HERE. YOU HAVE TYPICAL COASTAL FLORIDA RISK. YOU HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL RISK, YOU KNOW WHAT THEY ARE. YOU GOT TRANSPORTATION RISKS THAT ARE GETTING READY TO INCREASE BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE MORE RAIL TRAFFIC COME THROUGH HERE SOON WITH BRIGHT LINE. YOU'VE ALREADY GOT FLORIDA EAST COAST RAILROAD RUNNING UP AND DOWN NORTH AND SOUTH WITH FREIGHT RAIL. YOU HAVE A LOT OF BUILDING RISK HERE. THE BUILDING RISKS THAT YOU HAVE HERE, YOU HAVE A LOT OF VERTICAL DENSITY. MEANING WHEN YOU GET UP ABOVE THREE OR FOUR FLOORS, WE CALL THAT VERTICAL DENSITY. YOU'RE GOING UP. SOME OF WHAT WE SAW TODAY. TWO-STOREY TOWN HOMES, BUT YOU'VE ALSO GOT A LOT OF PLANS OF VERTICAL DENSITY AS WELL. EVEN 4 AND 5 STOREYS CAN CREATE A LOT OF ISSUES FOR FIRE AND RESCUE [02:10:04] DEPARTMENTS GAINING ACCESS TO GET TO THE FIRE AND GET TO THE PEOPLE WHERE THERE'S SMOKE. YOU HAVE THAT, ALTHOUGH YOUR GREATEST BUILDING RISK IS GOING TO BE YOUR SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLINGS, THAT'S THE LARGEST PERCENTAGE AND THAT'S PRETTY STANDARD ACROSS THE COUNTRY. BUT WE LOOKED AT ALL OF THAT BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW YOU STAFF AND DEPLOY. WE COVERED THIS IN THE TECHNICAL REPORT AND I'M NOT GOING TO BORE YOU WITH IT THIS EVENING. BUT THERE'S THIS THING CALLED AN EFFECTIVE RESPONSE FORCE. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO GET THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF PEOPLE ON THE SCENE IN A AMOUNT OF TIME IS SPECIFIED TO THE NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION 1710 STANDARD, THE ACCREDITATION STANDARD OF COVER BENCHMARKS. WE LOOKED AT ALL OF THAT. WHAT WE CAME UP WITH FOR YOU IS, THREE FIRE STATIONS. IT DOESN'T CHANGE THAT MODEL. A TYPICAL FIRE AND EMS ADMINISTRATIVE AND OPERATIONAL OVERSIGHT. FULL COMMUNITY RISK REDUCTION SERVICES, THAT'S YOUR FIRE PREVENTION, YOUR PLANS REVIEW. FULL FIRE AND EMS SUPPORT SERVICES. GOT TO HAVE A SUPPLY CHAIN. YOU'VE GOT TO GET THE FLEET TAKING CARE OF SOME PLACE. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE FACILITIES, SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE FACILITY MAINTENANCE. MUTUAL AID AGREEMENTS, AUTOMATIC AID AGREEMENTS, VERY IMPORTANT, SO WE SPEAK TO THAT. CONTINUATION OF THE CURRENT EMERGENCY COMMUNICATION SYSTEM. THAT'S YOUR FIRE AND RESCUE DEPARTMENT, SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO DO ONE. IT'S VERY TYPICAL OF WHAT IS AROUND THE COUNTRY. THERE'S NOTHING HERE THAT'S DIFFERENT. YOU CAN EXCHANGE A COUPLE OF NAMES, TITLES IN HERE. SOME PLACES THE NUMBER TWOS AND ASSISTANT CHIEF. SOME PLACE, THEY'RE DEPUTY CHIEF. SOME PLACE LOWER LEVELS OR DIFFERENT TITLE CHIEFS. FIRE HAS A LOT OF CHIEFS. POLICE DOESN'T. [LAUGHTER] THEY HAVE DIFFERENT TITLES. YOU GOT A POLICE CHIEF, YOU MIGHT HAVE AN ASSISTANT OR DEPUTY, BUT THEN YOU GET INTO MAJORS AND LIEUTENANTS, AND SOMETIMES YOU GOT COLONELS AND LIEUTENANT COLONELS. IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT TERMINOLOGY. CHIEF [INAUDIBLE] LOOKED AT ALL THE CHIEFS, AND SAID, MAN I GOT A LOT OF CHIEFS. WELL, IT'S JUST HOW WE DO IT IN FIRE AND RESCUE. DON'T GET ALL TANGLED UP IN THAT. THERE'S ONLY ONE FIRE CHIEF. BUT IF YOU LOOK ALL THE WAY OVER TO YOUR LEFT, THAT SAYS YOUR OPERATIONS. JUST THREE STATIONS. EACH OF THEM HAS AN ENGINE. NOW, ONE OF THE ENGINES WILL BE VERY SIMILAR TO OUR PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE HAS, AND THAT WILL BE WHAT WE CALL A SQUAD ENGINE OR A RESCUE ENGINE. JUST DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU ARE AND WHAT TERMINOLOGY YOU WANT TO APPLY TO THAT. BUT THAT'LL CARRY SOME SPECIALIZED EQUIPMENT FOR AUTO EXTRA CATIONS, SOME LIGHT ENTRAPMENT, SOME LIGHT TECHNICAL RESCUE, ETC. WHAT WE HAVE ADDED TO THE JUPITER FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT IS AN AERIAL LADDER TRUCK, IN THE TOWN OF JUPITER, NOT COMING FROM AUTOMATIC OR MUTUAL AID. WE PROPOSED TO STAFF THAT WITH FOUR PEOPLE, WHERE WE PROPOSE THE STAFF THE THREE ENGINES WITH THREE. BUT LATERAL WORK, TRUCK COMPANY WORK, JUST SOME VERNACULAR, YOU'LL START TO HEAR, SHOULD YOU DO THIS. IT'S A BEST-EST SPECIALIZED TRAIN, AND SO IT TAKES TWO TEAMS OF TWO. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT EFFECTIVE RESPONSE FORCE THAT I MENTIONED A FEW MINUTES AGO, IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT ASSET ON THE FIRE GROUND OR A RESCUE OR WHATEVER YOU HAVE BECAUSE THEY ARE SPECIALLY TRAINED FOLKS. THEN YOU GO OVER TO YOU SUPPORT SERVICES. THAT'S WHAT KEEPS EVERYTHING MOVING AND THAT'S WHERE YOUR QUARTER MASKER AND YOUR LOGISTICS TECHNICIAN ARE, THAT'S YOUR SUPPLY CHAIN AND WE HAVE A BATTALION CHIEF OF EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES THERE, WHO WOULD WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR OR MEDICAL DIRECTION, WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH EMS COMPLIANCE, ALL THE PROTOCOLS. YOU HAVE A BATTALION CHIEF OF TRAINING. TRAINING IS VERY IMPORTANT IN FIRE RESCUE AND ALSO A TRAINING INSTRUCTOR. THEN YOU HAVE A FULL FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE, YOU HAVE A FIRE MARSHAL, YOU HAVE TWO FIRE INSPECTORS, AND A PLANS REVIEW PERSON, 93 TOTAL POSITIONS. WE'VE THREE FIRE STATIONS. PRETTY MUCH IN THE SAME PLACE. THE TOWN OWNS LAND SO THERE'S NO REAL DECREASE IN SERVICE THERE. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO JUST FIT THINGS IN WHERE WE CAN FIT THEM IN. YOU'VE GOT TO GET YOUR OWN SOME LAND AT PIATT PLACE, WHICH IS VERY CLOSE TO THE BURT REYNOLDS STATION, [02:15:03] CURRENTLY CINQUEZ PARK VERY CLOSE STATION 19, CURRENTLY AND ABACOA THROUGH A WARRANTY DEED THAT THE COUNTY COMMISSION APPROVED, YOU WOULD GET THAT STATION BACK, SO THERE ARE YOUR THREE STATIONS, SO IF YOU LOOK IN FOR COMPARABLES, THERE THEY ARE WITH ONE ADDITION AND THAT'S THE LADDER COMPANY. WE ALSO RECOMMEND YOU MAINTAIN THE CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE WITH EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS. WE DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO MOVE AWAY FROM THAT. I THINK THERE IS A VISION WITH AT LEAST ONE OF THE MUNICIPALITIES. THERE WAS A VISION FOR NORTHCOM, WHICH IS YOUR CURRENT LAW ENFORCEMENT DISPATCH CENTER, BUT IT'S ALSO THE PSAP. THAT'S ALSO YOUR PRIMARY PSAP FOR ALL EMERGENCY, ALL 911 CALLS AND THE TOWN OF JUPITER GO TO NORTHCOM AND THEN THEY TRANSFER IT OVER TO PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE FOR DISPATCH. I THINK THERE'S SOME TALK ABOUT MAYBE IN THE FUTURE, BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I THINK THAT'S MORE MID TO LONG TERM, THAT YOU MAY HAVE TO CONSIDER. GET BACK INTO MUTUAL AID AGREEMENTS. YOU DO HAVE SOME NOW, BUT THEY'RE DATED. THIS WOULD UPDATE ALL OF THOSE FOR YOU, GET MUTUAL AND AUTOMATIC AID AGREEMENTS IN WITH ALL THE CONTIGUOUS MUNICIPALITIES AS WELL AS THE COUNTY. IF YOU FORM YOUR OWN FIRE DEPARTMENT, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED THE COUNTY, FOR SPECIAL OPERATIONS IN PARTICULAR. BECAUSE SMALL FIRE DEPARTMENTS DON'T GET INTO FOR HAZARDOUS MATERIALS. THEY DON'T GET INTO THOSE LEVEL A ENTRIES WHERE YOU PUT THE SUITS ON AND YOU GO IN. IT'S JUST NOT AFFORDABLE BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF THOSE CALLS IS SO INFREQUENT. THE VERY SPECIALIZED TECHNICAL RESCUE. THE HIGH ANGLE ROPE RESCUES AND CONFINED SPACE RESCUES AND BUILDING COLLAPSE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SMALL FIRE DEPARTMENTS AROUND THE COUNTRY DON'T DO THAT. THEY GO TO THE BIGGER BROTHER FIRE DEPARTMENT, TYPICALLY COUNTIES, OR LARGE CITIES THAT ARE AROUND THEM. THEY PROVIDE THAT THROUGH AUTOMATIC AID. BUT THERE'S AN EXCHANGE FOR THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE RESOURCES, THE COUNTY WOULD NEED YOUR RESOURCES IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE UNINCORPORATED AREA AS WELL, PARTICULARLY ON BUILDING FIRES. THAT'S JUST A TRADE OFF. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT, WELL, HOW DO WE DO ALL OF THIS? THERE'S CERTAINLY WAYS TO DO THAT. NO CHANGE IN EMS OPERATIONAL LEVEL OF SERVICE AT ALL, AND NO CHANGE IN ANYTHING. ALL THE ENGINE COMPANIES, THE LADDER COMPANY PERSONNEL, THEY'LL ALL BE ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT. YOUR RESCUE UNITS, YOUR MEDIC UNITS, THEY'LL ALL BE ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT. WE THINK YOU COULD STILL DO A MOBILE INTEGRATED HEALTH SERVICE HERE. IT'S GOT TO BE SCALABLE THOUGH TO THE TOWN OF JUPITER. YOU DON'T HAVE EVERYTHING THAT THE COUNTY DEALS WITH IN THEIR MIH PROGRAM, BUT YOU STILL HAVE SOME REAL USE FOR IT HERE. BUT SO YOU SCALE THAT DOWN, AND THE BIGGEST PIECE HERE IS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET UP, WORK WITH THE COPCM PROCESS. WE DO KNOW THAT THERE IS A PILOT PROGRAM THAT YOU CAN APPLY FOR, SO WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU DO THAT AS WELL. THE COST, I'M GOING TO GO A LITTLE BIT OF THESE COST HERE, BUT I KNOW MR. REYNOLDS IS GOING TO COME UP. I THINK HE'S GOT A BIGGER PICTURE, JUST SOME QUICK COMPARISONS. THE CURRENT CONTRACT IS 25,847,504. WE BUDGETED FOR TODAY'S COST FOR JUPITER FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT IN 19,883,741. WHEN YOU APPLY WHAT WE'VE ALREADY ESTIMATED AS YOUR EMS GROUND TRANSPORT REVENUES OF 1.3 TO 1.4 MILLION, AND THEN MR. REYNOLDS ADVISED US THAT THERE'S ANOTHER 300,000 IN FIRE INSPECTION AND PLANS REVIEW FEES THAT ARE GENERATED. IF YOU APPLY THOSE TO THE OVERALL COST, IT'S 18,183,741. NOW, I SAID A FEW MINUTES AGO THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE ABOUT 36 MONTHS, TO START YOUR OWN FIRE DEPARTMENTS, SO YOU'RE A COUPLE OF FISCAL YEARS OUT. WE LOOKED AT WELL, WHAT'S A GOOD PERCENTAGE TO PUT ON TOP OF WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE COSTING? THE TYPICAL GROWTH IS ABOUT FIVE PERCENT. YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE FIVE PERCENT INCREASES ARE. WE ALSO INCREASE THE FIVE PERCENT ON TOP OF THE CURRENT PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE CONTRACT. [02:20:03] THERE STILL ARE SOME VERY TANGIBLE SUSTAINABILITY NUMBERS THERE. THEY JUST ARE. THERE IS A REASON FOR THAT. YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THE OVERHEAD. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME INTERNAL CHARGES. THERE ALWAYS ARE INTERNAL CHARGES THAT GO BACK TO A BIG AGENCY; THERE'S HUMAN RESOURCES CHARGES, THERE'S TOWN ATTORNEY CHARGES, THERE'S FINANCE CHARGES. THOSE THINGS ALWAYS HIT BACK TO ANY LARGE DEPARTMENT. HOWEVER, IT'S NOT AT THE FIVE MILLION DOLLAR MARK. WE'VE ESTIMATED THAT TO BE ABOUT 550,000, 515,000 OR SO INTERNAL CHARGES BACK, BUT WE'VE ALREADY PUT THAT INTO OUR BUDGET ESTIMATES. THIS IS JUST A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BREAKDOWN HERE OF WHAT ALL THOSE COSTS ARE. THE BIGGEST COST ALWAYS IS PERSONNEL. THEN PEOPLE SAY, "WELL, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PAY THESE PEOPLE, AT WHAT PERCENT?" THAT CAME UP LAST TIME. TOWN OF JUPITER LIKES TO PAY AT THE 75TH PERCENTILE. SO WE WORKED WITH TOWN STAFF, PARTICULARLY THE SENIOR MANAGER WHO DOES ALL THE HUMAN RESOURCES NOW, WE WORKED WITH HER. SHE DID A 10-MUNICIPALITY BENCH-MARKING STUDY FOR US. THEN WE APPLIED TO JUPITER BENEFIT PACKAGE TO THAT, TO GENERATE WHAT IS THE 15,765,194 YOU HAVE THERE. IT'S AT THE 75TH PERCENTILE. YOU SEE RECOMMENDED THERE BECAUSE WE BREAK DOWN IN THE TECHNICAL REPORT. IF YOU JUST BROUGHT THEM IN AT MINIMUM, WHAT IT WOULD BE IF YOU BROUGHT THEM IN AT THE 50TH PERCENTILE, ETC? THIS IS OUR RECOMMENDED BECAUSE IT'S WHAT YOU ALREADY ARE DOING. SO THERE WOULD BE NO REASON IN THE WORLD TO GO AWAY FROM THAT. I THINK THE TOWN IS ALSO CONTEMPLATING THE FLORIDA RETIREMENT SYSTEM FOR THE JUPITER FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS BIG. YOU CAN BE COMPETITIVE WITH THAT. IT'S GOOD FOR RECRUITING. RECRUITING CURRENT FRS, FIREFIGHTERS, AND NON-FRS FIREFIGHTERS, WHO ARE AT A POINT IN THEIR CAREER, THAT THEY MAY BE ABLE TO LEAVE THEIR CURRENT AGENCY AND COME TO JUPITER AND WORK. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT LAST TIME. WHY WOULDN'T YOU WANT TO WORK HERE? BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY. WHAT WAS IT? SEVENTY-SIX DEGREES TODAY, LIGHT WIND OUT OF THE EAST, VERY COMFORTABLE. IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO WORK. IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO BE AROUND, IT'S A NICE PART OF FLORIDA. YOU WOULD ATTRACT, AS I SAID BEFORE, YOU WILL ATTRACT A LOT OF PEOPLE. WE'RE DOING ANOTHER STUDY IN ANOTHER PART OF SOUTH FLORIDA. IT'S A SMALL FIRE DEPARTMENT WHO BROKE AWAY FROM THE COUNTY ABOUT 20 OR SO YEARS AGO. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE IT IS. HOWEVER, THEY HAVE NO TROUBLE RECRUITING BECAUSE IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO GO TO WORK. THAT'S WHAT THEY TELL ME. IT'S A WORKFORCE ASSESSMENT. PEOPLE COME HERE BECAUSE THEY LIKED. I ASK PEOPLE. WE DID A LOT OF STAKEHOLDER INTERVIEWS AND THEY TELL ME WHERE THEY HAD WORKED BEFORE. SOME PEOPLE THAT WORKED AT THIS FIRE DEPARTMENT, THIS FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND THIS FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT I CAME HERE BECAUSE I WANTED TO WORK HERE. YOU CAN ESTABLISH THAT. IT'S JUST REALLY THROUGH YOUR MARKETING CAMPAIGN AND YOUR RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION. WELL, PARAMEDICS ARE HARD TO FIND. THEY ARE. ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY. WE'VE BUILT IN A PARAMEDIC INCENTIVE AS A HIRING INCENTIVE TO BRING THEM IN, AND WE'VE ALSO BUILT IN WHAT THE TYPICAL PARAMEDIC INCENTIVE HERE IS IN THIS REGION IN ALL OF THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS. WE'VE BUILT ALL OF THAT IN. WE TRIED TO CONTEMPLATE AS MUCH AS WE COULD, FROM OUR EXPERIENCE AND FROM LISTENING TO YOU. ALL OF THAT IS IN AND ALL OF THAT IS IN THE TECHNICAL REPORT. BUT THAT'S HOW WE CAME UP WITH THE $19 MILLION. WE'RE ALMOST $20 MILLION. THERE ARE SOME ONE-TIME COST. NOT GOING TO GET OUT OF THIS WITH ONE-TIME COST IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO THIS. YOUR BIGGEST COSTS ARE GOING TO BE IN BUILDINGS. YOU HAVE ONE. WE ARE CONTEMPLATING THE CONSTRUCTION OF TWO. HOWEVER, AND I THINK YOUR FINANCE DIRECTOR, [02:25:01] HE'S DONE A VERY GOOD JOB WITH THIS. HE'S LOOKING ALL THE TIME, HOW CAN I BUILD BUILDINGS? HOW CAN I DO THIS? WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO IT? HE HAS COME ACROSS A COUPLE OF REALLY GOOD PROJECTS OR WAYS TO BUILD FIRE STATIONS, THAT COULD KEEP YOUR COSTS DOWN, BUT I'LL LET HIM SPEAK TO THAT WHEN HE'S READY TO. YOU HAVE ONE-TIME CAPITAL COST, WHICH IS EQUIPMENT. YOU CAN'T PUT A PIECE OF FIRE APPARATUS OUT THERE, AN AMBULANCE OUT THERE, WITHOUT HAVING CAPITAL EQUIPMENT. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE. THE VEHICLES ARE A BIG EXPENSE. WHEN YOU BUY ENGINES, IT TAKES FOUR TO MAKE THREE. AN AMBULANCE IS IT TAKES FOUR TO MAKE THREE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME RESERVES BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE SOME KIND OF MAINTENANCE GOING ON WITH THAT, SO YOU BUY ALL OF THOSE AT ONE TIME. NOW, SO WE BUILT ALL THOSE COSTS IN THERE AS WELL. THE KEY OF THE ONE-TIME COSTS THOUGH IS, IS THEY DON'T COME ALL AT ONE TIME. THEY'RE SPREAD OUT OVER THE 36 MONTHS OF BUILDING THIS FIRE DEPARTMENT. BUT ONE OF THE FIRST COST IS THE FIRE APPARATUS. THAT'S ONE OF THE FIRST. YOU HAVE TO DO THOSE RIGHT AWAY. IF YOU'RE SERIOUS ABOUT DOING THIS, THAT IS THE FIRST COST THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE. I WOULD ESTIMATE, IF YOU VOTED AT A MEETING, HEY, WE WANT TO DO OUR OWN FIRE DEPARTMENT WITHIN TWO MEETINGS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM THAT SAYS WE NEED TO BUY FIRE TRUCKS. IT'S JUST THAT CRITICAL BECAUSE OF THE TIMELINE. I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS, BUT THERE'S SOME IMPORTANT PIECES HERE. I'LL JUST POINT OUT WHAT THE IMPORTANT PIECES ARE. THERE'S HIRING PIECES IN HERE. THERE'S ONLY A FEW STAFF MEMBERS, REALLY, THAT YOU BRING ON AT THE VERY BEGINNING. THAT IS EITHER A PERMANENT FIRE CHIEF OR SOME INTERIM ADMINISTRATOR TO GET SOME OF THE BASIC THINGS MOVING. THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT. ONE STAFF, I'M THINKING YOU WOULD BRING ON YOUR MANAGEMENT ANALYSTS POSITION BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF CONTRACTS, THERE'S A LOT OF AGREEMENTS, THERE'S ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT HAVE TO GET STARTED WITHIN THE FIRST 12-15 MONTHS. YOU HAVE TO BUY THE FIRE APPARATUS, THEN THERE'S A LITTLE LAG, AND THEN YOU BUY YOUR EMS EQUIPMENT BECAUSE THAT'S ABOUT A 20-22 MONTHS TIME BUILD. YOU REALLY DON'T GET INTO THE HEAVY HIGHER END UNTIL ABOUT THE 24TH MONTH OR SO, 20TH OR 24TH MONTH. YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE PROBABLY 12-14 MONTHS OF, YOU WILL BE BUILDING YOUR JUPITER FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT, AND YOU WILL STILL BE CONTRACTING WITH THE COUNTY FOR SERVICE. THERE'S JUST NO OTHER WAY AROUND IT BECAUSE WHEN THE DAY COMES TO ROLL OUT, ON THE FIRST CALL, WOULD YOU PUT A FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT? GOT TO HAVE ALL YOUR PEOPLE IN PLACE. THEY'VE HAD TO GO THROUGH SOME TRAINING. THEY HAVE TO GET USED TO THE APPARATUS. YOU GOT TO HAVE EVERYTHING SET, NOW YOU'RE READY TO GO. I WANT TO BRING THAT UP. THERE'S NO WAY AROUND IT. THERE WAS ALSO A LOT OF DISCUSSION LAST TIME ABOUT, WHAT'S ISO. WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THAT? CAN WE BE AN ISO 1? HOW ABOUT ACCREDITATION? THERE'S ALL OF THESE THINGS CAME UP. WE GIVING YOU SOME GOALS HERE FOR JUPITER FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT. I DID CALL VERISK, WHICH IS THE PARENT COMPANY OF THE INSURANCE SERVICES ORGANIZATION, AND I ASKED THEM, HEY, WHAT HAPPENS IF A CITY OR A TOWN WANTS TO CREATE THEIR OWN FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THEY'RE ALREADY IN THEIR CONTRACTING WITH SOMEBODY WHO IS ALREADY A FIRE DEPARTMENT? THEY ALREADY GOT AND THEIR COMMUNITY HAS A RATING, WHAT HAPPENS? BECAUSE THAT'S IMPORTANT. IT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU. IT'S IMPORTANT TO YOUR CITIZENS. HERE'S THE ANSWER. YOU KEEP YOUR RATING FOR THE FIRST YEAR, OR REALLY IT'S UNTIL YOU GET YOUR FIRST ASSESSMENT BY ISO. WHAT ISO WANTS YOU TO DO IS OPERATE FOR A YEAR, THEN THE FIRE CHIEF JUST MAKES A CALL AND SAYS, HEY, WE'RE READY. WE'RE READY FOR OUR FIRST ASSESSMENT. ISO COMES IN WITH THEIR TEAM. THEY DO THEIR ASSESSMENT. A COUPLE OF MONTHS AFTER THAT, YOU GET YOUR INITIAL RATING. THEN ONCE YOU GET YOUR INITIAL RATING, THAT'S WHAT TURNS ON AND THE OTHER TURNS OFF. IF YOU ASKED ME TODAY, DO I THINK YOU COULD BE AN ISO 1? I CAN'T ANSWER THAT. HERE'S WHAT I CAN ANSWER. IN YOUR SQUARE MILES, WITH YOUR POPULATION, AND YOU'RE CALLED DEMAND. [02:30:01] WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT ALL THAT IS. WHAT YOUR TRAVEL TIMES ARE GOING TO BE? WE KNOW ALL THAT. WE MAPPED ALL YOUR TRAVEL TIMES. WE KNOW FROM EACH FIRE STATION, WHAT'S YOUR NFPA STANDARD IS AND CAN YOU MEET THAT. WE KNOW WHAT KIND OF APPARATUS, WE KNOW WHAT YOUR STAFFING IS GOING TO BE, WE KNOW WHAT YOUR AUTOMATIC AND MUTUAL AID AGREEMENTS ARE GOING TO BE BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY IN PLACE. I DON'T THINK THE MUNICIPALITIES ARE GOING TO TELL YOU, NO, WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT WITH YOU. I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. YOU MAINTAIN ALL OF THAT. IT'S A MUTUAL AND AUTOMATIC AID THAT ALL COUNTS TOWARDS YOUR STAFFING IN DEPLOYMENT EVERY DAY. I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE HURT THERE. WHAT'S GOING TO BE IMPORTANT IS THAT YOUR FIRE CHIEF, MAKE SURE, ON YOUR TRAINING CHIP, EVERYBODY GETS THEIR TRAINING, ALL THEIR EYES ON TRAINING. THAT'S ALL DOCUMENTED AND THEY LOOK AT THAT PRETTY HEAVILY. ALL YOUR EQUIPMENT IS IN PLACE. THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT DEPARTMENTS DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO, THAT HURTS THEM ON THEIR ISO RATING. ARE YOU DOING PRE-FIRE PLANS, ARE YOU DOING INSPECTIONS? HOW IS YOUR INSPECTION DEPARTMENT? BUT WE'D LAID IT ALL OUT FOR YOU. WE'VE LAID IT OUT SO THAT YOU COULD GET A VERY FAVORABLE SCORE. SECOND THING WE THINK THAT THAT SHOULD HAPPEN AT ABOUT THE 12TH MONTH BECAUSE THE ISO STARTS ON DAY 1. YOU TURN YOUR FIRST WHEEL, AND EVERYBODY'S HAPPY, AND EVERYTHING'S GOING ON, WELL, THEN YOU GOT TO GO TO WORK BECAUSE THAT STARTS DAY 1. WE THINK ON THE 12 MONTH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SHOULD WRITE AND ESTABLISH A STRATEGIC PLAN. YOU'VE GONE THROUGH A YEAR, YOU CAN SEE HOW EVERYTHING'S GOING, YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOOD, YOU KNOW WHAT'S NOT SO GOOD, YOU KNOW WHERE YOU CAN MAKE IMPROVEMENTS, SO WRITE A STRATEGIC PLAN TO GET YOU THERE FOR OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT ALL OF THAT HAPPENS. WE'VE RECOMMENDED THAT STARTING ON THE 12TH MONTH, GET YOUR STRATEGIC PLAN WRITTEN. GET YOUR GOALS, GET YOUR OBJECTIVES OUT THERE. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. ACCREDITATION IS IMPORTANT. WHAT ACCREDITATION DOES IS IT MAKES YOU DO A COUPLE OF THINGS. IT MAKES YOU DO A STRATEGIC PLAN. THAT'S WHY WE SAID DO A STRATEGIC PLAN AT THE 12TH MONTH. THAT DOCUMENT NOW IS ALREADY OUT OF THE WAY. THEN YOU HAVE TO DO A STANDARD OF COVER. WHAT THE STANDARD OF COVER DOES IS, THE STANDARD OF COVER, YOU GO THROUGH ANOTHER COMMUNITY RISK ANALYSIS. VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT I DID IS I JUST CALLED IT A COMMUNITY RISK PROFILE IN YOUR REPORT. BUT IT'S NOT TOO MUCH DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I ALREADY GAVE YOU. SO I'VE ALREADY GIVEN THEM THE OUTLINE FOR THAT. AND THEN YOU GO THROUGH SELF-ASSESSMENT MANUAL, WHICH HAS ALL 250 OR SO PERFORMANCE OBJECTIVES AND YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THEM AND ANSWER THEM AND THEN YOU HAVE TO DESIGNATE WHERE SOMEBODY CAN COME IN AND FIND ALL THAT. IT CAN BE DONE. FIRE DEPARTMENTS DO THAT ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY. SO IT CAN BE DONE, IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW BIG YOU ARE, IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW SMALL YOU ARE, CAN BE DONE. WELL, WE SAY DON'T START THAT TILL THE 24TH MONTH. EACH ROW YOU SEE LEGS, GET YOUR STRATEGIC PLAN OUT OF THE WAY, THEN GET INTO THE ACCREDITATION PROCESS. BUT YOU'RE ALREADY GOING TO HAVE SOMEBODY ON STAFF. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A FIRE MANAGEMENT ANALYST THAT'S GOING TO BE THERE THAT'S GOING TO HAVE ALL OF HIS OR HER THINGS OUT OF THE WAY, ALL THE CONTRACTS, ALL THE AGREEMENTS, EVERYTHING IS SET. THEY CAN BE YOUR ACCREDITATION MANAGER. THEN AT THE 48TH MONTH AFTER YOU'RE WELL ON YOUR WAY TO GETTING YOUR FIRE ACCREDITATION, GET YOUR AMBULANCE ACCREDITATION. IT'S ANOTHER SELF REVIEW, BUT IT FOCUSES ON EMS. SO WHAT WE THINK IS YOU CAN HAVE, I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT ISO YOU'RE GOING TO BE. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A FAVORABLE ISO RATING. BUT YOU CAN CERTAINLY BE ACCREDITED AND YOU CAN BE AN AMBULANCE ACCREDITED FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THAT HAPPENS ALL OVER THE PLACE. I THINK YOU GOT ONE JUST TO THE SOUTH OF YOU. IT'S ALL I HAVE. I THINK MR. REYNOLDS HAS SOME PHYSICAL STUFF HE WILL GO OVER. NO? >> IF YOU TOOK OVER COUNSEL, CAN WE HAVE STAFF AND THEN WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS? >> [INAUDIBLE] PAYING ATTENTION. [02:35:17] >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I KNOW IT'S LATE, BUT A LOT OF INFORMATION. THIS IS WHAT JOE POZZO AND HIS WENT OVER JUST A LITTLE BIT AGO ABOUT WHY THE FUNDING PLAN FOR THE TOWN FIRE DEPARTMENT AND WHERE WE ARE TODAY. MANAGER KITZEROW REMINDED ME ON FRIDAY THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS WITH PALM BEACH COUNTY SINCE LAST JANUARY. IT'S BEEN A YEAR THAT WE'VE BEEN MEETING WITH THEM ALL SUMMER. WE'VE ASKED FOR A ACTUAL AGREEMENT FROM THEM. THEY PROVIDE THAT IN LATE SUMMER, WHICH WE ARE ALL AWARE. WE'VE DISCUSSED IT WAS BASED ON A COUNTY-WIDE MILLAGE RATE. WE'VE REVIEWED THAT OVER A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD. WOULD HAVE RAISED THE OVERALL COLLECTIONS TO OVER $62 MILLION IN THAT FIVE-YEAR PERIOD. I KNOW THAT THAT WAS QUITE A SHOCK TO EVERYBODY. SPEAKING WITH THE FIRE CHIEF, THEY INDICATED THEY DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS GOING TO HIT $62 MILLION EITHER. BUT COMPARING THAT TO THE FY2013 OF $26 MILLION AND GO INTO $62 MILLION, THAT'S QUITE A SHOCK. BUT GOING FORWARD, WE ALSO RECEIVED AN UPDATED PROPOSAL FROM THE COUNTY, WHICH WAS NOT MILLAGE BASIS. IT WAS BASED ON A FLAT LINE BUDGET, AND OVER A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD GO INTO $38 MILLION. WE RECEIVED THAT IN NOVEMBER RIGHT BEFORE THE PRESENTATION THAT MR. POZZO AND HIS COMPANY GAVE. WITH THAT, NEITHER OF THESE PROPOSALS HAVE BEEN FAIR OR EQUITABLE TO THE JUPITER TAXPAYER. WE'VE ALL SAID THAT. WE'RE LOOKING FOR ANOTHER OPTION. IN EARLIER, MR. POZZO INDICATED, AND I KNOW THAT THE COUNCIL IS AWARE, BUT FOR THE CITIZENS, THE COUNCIL OR THE COUNTY HAS CONTACTED US AND INDICATED THAT THEY'D LIKE TO MEET TO FURTHER WORK ON DEVELOPING A CONTRACT THAT MAY BE MORE FAVORABLE TO THE COUNCIL. SO WE WILL BE DOING THAT. BUT ONE OF THE QUESTIONS GOING FORWARD AS YOU LOOK AT THIS SLIDE, WHICH WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH IT, JUST TO SHOW THE HISTORICAL TREND OF WHAT THE COST HAS BEEN FOR THE PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE OVER TIME AND THEN THE RED LINE THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PAGE IS THE LATE SUMMER PROPOSAL UP TO THE $62 MILLION. THE DOTTED LINE WOULD BE THE TREND LINE GOING FORWARD BASED ON THE CURRENT CONTRACT AND THEN THE GREEN LINE UNDERNEATH IS WHAT MR. POZZO AND HIS COMPANY HAS RECOMMENDED AND THEN ROLLING FORWARD OVER A PERIOD OF TIME FOR FIVE YEARS AND WHAT THAT MAY LOOK LIKE. NOW, DEPENDING ON WHICH BENCHMARK THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, THAT COULD BE A 245 PERCENT INCREASE BETWEEN THE GREEN LINE AND THE RED LINE, OR 162 PERCENT INCREASE FROM THE GREEN LINE TO THE DOTTED ORANGE LINE. YOU CAN SEE THERE'S AN ISSUE THERE WITH THOSE TWO NUMBERS SPECIFICALLY AND WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT. WE WANT TO BE MORE ALONG THAT DOTTED LINE, WHICH IS THE TREND LINE GOING FORWARD BECAUSE WE DO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE SOME INCREASES TO ACTUAL OPERATIONAL COST. WITH THAT, ALL SUMMER LONG, WE'VE BEEN MEETING, WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, CHIEF POZZO AND HIS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DEVELOPING COSTS, THEY'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THE COST OF THE CURRENT FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, WHAT WOULD IT COST THE TOWN IF THEY WANTED TO START THEIR OWN FIRE DEPARTMENT. ONE OF THE BIG QUESTIONS TO ME SPECIFICALLY IS, HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR THIS? ULTIMATELY, WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE PRICE TAG? THEN HOW WOULD WE EVENTUALLY PAY FOR IT? IT'S NOT UNIQUE. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS DURING THE BUDGETARY PROCESS. THERE'S A LOT OF MUNICIPALITIES THAT USE THE AD VALOREM METHOD. THEY'VE JUST PAID FOR IT RIGHT OUT OF THEIR AD VALOREM TAXES, WHICH CREATES A MILLAGE RATE. WE'VE DONE COMPARISONS TO MILLAGE RATES TO OTHER COMMUNITIES WITHIN PALM BEACH COUNTY THAT DO HAVE FIRE DEPARTMENTS. THAT IS ONE OPTION. BUT LOOKING AT THESE COSTS THAT MR. POZZO HAS PUT TOGETHER, I SPECIFICALLY ASKED HIM AS HE WAS PUTTING THESE TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE TO [02:40:04] DELINEATE BETWEEN FIRE RESCUE COSTS AND EMS TYPE COST. THAT'LL BECOME IMPORTANT AS WE ROLL FORWARD TO SOME OF OUR OPTIONS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT WAS THE UPFRONT CAPITAL. THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST QUESTIONS. OBVIOUSLY, IF WE HAVE TO BUILD TWO STATIONS, THE $43 MILLION QUESTION AND THEN THE UPFRONT CAPITAL THAT MR. POZZO SAID THAT WILL BE ALMOST IMMEDIATE BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT 36 MONTH TURNAROUND OF THE CAPITAL THAT WOULD BE NEEDED. SO SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS WILL COME INTO PLAY. A TOTAL OF $58 MILLION BETWEEN THE FIRE APPARATUS THAT NEEDS TO BE PURCHASED AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDINGS. WHAT IS THE FUNDING APPROACH? WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS DURING THE BUDGETARY PROCESS AS WELL. THE TOWN IS VERY FORTUNATE. WE'VE SAVED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. WE DO HAVE RESERVE BALANCES THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE FOR THESE TYPES OF EXPENDITURES IF NECESSARY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND GOING FORWARD IS THE USE OF SOME OF THESE RESERVES AS A PARTIAL BRIDGE LOAN. THERE'S ALMOST $15 MILLION WORTH OF CAPITAL THAT WE NEED TO BE PURCHASED RIGHT AWAY, WHICH IS THE FIRETRUCKS, THE AMBULATORY VEHICLES AND ALSO THE CAPITAL GOING ALONG WITH THOSE VEHICLES. AND THEN YOU HAVE A BOND ISSUANCE FOR THE $43 MILLION FOR THE BUILDING CONSTRUCTION. THEN WHAT WOULD BE RECOMMENDED IS A NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT THE NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT WILL BE USED NOT ONLY FOR THE BOND ISSUANCE, FOR THE FIRE PIECE OF THE CAPITAL, BUT ALSO THE STATIONS, THE DEBT SERVICE THAT WILL BE REQUIRED. SO THE PLEDGING NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT FOR THOSE ITEMS. YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING FOR THE FIRE VEHICLES WOULD BE $7.4 MILLION. THE FIRE CAPITAL THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY FOR OUTFITTING THE VEHICLES, AND THEN THE FIRE STATIONS THEMSELVES AND YOU CAN SEE THE TERMS 15 YEARS FOR THE VEHICLES THAT'S ABOUT THE TIME THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO BE REPLACED, ALONG WITH A 20-YEAR ISSUANCE FOR THE BUILDING. TOTAL OF OVER $54 MILLION. NOW ONCE THE BONDS ARE SOLD AND WE RECEIVE THOSE FUNDS, JUST OVER $10 MILLION WOULD COME BACK TO THE COFFERS. THAT WILL BE IMPORTANT AS WE GO FORWARD AS WELL BECAUSE ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT I'VE HEARD FROM EACH OF YOU AND IS CONCERNING TO THE CITIZENS, IS, AS MR. POZZO INDICATED EARLIER, THAT DUAL COSTS TO THE CITIZENS IN THE OUTWARD YEARS AS WE START RAMPING UP AND START PREPARING TO IMPLEMENT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR THE TOWN OF JUPITER. BUT THAT LAST YEAR, THERE'S GOING TO BE ADDITIONAL COSTS. POSSIBLY WHAT WE COULD DO IS USE THIS $10.2 MILLION TO OFFSET SOME OF THOSE COST FOR OPERATIONS. SO WE'RE NOT CHARGING AS MUCH TO THE CITIZENS THAT LAST AND FINAL YEAR OF PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE. THAT'S ONE OPTION. THE DEBT ISSUANCE ESTIMATES BECAUSE IT IS A NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT, WHAT I WANT TO KEEP HAMMERING HOME IS THAT IS FOR FIRE USE ONLY. IT CANNOT BE USED FOR EMS. IT CAN ONLY BE USED FOR FIRE. THAT'S WHY I HEARD MR. POZZO ORIGINALLY WHEN HE STARTED PUTTING TOGETHER HIS ESTIMATES, MAKES SURE THAT HE IDENTIFIED WHAT WAS EMS DRIVEN AND WHAT WAS FIRE DRIVEN, SO THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH THESE NUMBERS. BUT THE ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE FOR THE FIRE CAPITAL AND THE VEHICLES, JUST OVER 700,000 ANNUALLY, THAT'S FOR THE 15-YEAR ISSUANCE. THE STATION CONSTRUCTION, $2.3 MILLION, THAT'S FOR THE 20 YEARS. JUST OVER $3 MILLION ANNUALLY FOR TOTAL DEBT SERVICE AND THEN WHAT WILL BE PAID IN INTEREST OVER THE LIFE AND A LOAN, $2.5 MILLION. AGAIN, TO DISCUSS THE NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT, THE FIRE PORTION ONLY. TO FUND THE ONGOING OPERATIONS OF THE DEPARTMENT AND SERVICE TO DEBT REQUIRED FOR STARTUP, WE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HIRE A CONSULTANT TO FACILITATE THE NECESSARY STUDY TO IMPLEMENT THE NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT. THE ASSESSMENT WILL BE BASED ON PROPERTY TYPE. WE'RE ALWAYS USED TO SEEING THE NON-AD VALOREM THE MILLAGE. IT'S ALL VALUATION BASED AND WHEN WE START CALCULATING FOR THE FUNDING OF OUR BUDGET A NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT IS BASED ON PROPERTY TYPES, SO IT WILL BE BASED ON RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL, VACANT LAND. BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT DRIVEN BY PROPERTY VALUE. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE [02:45:01] BIT MORE AS WE GO THROUGH THE SLIDES FOR DIVERSITY OF REVENUE. WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT OVER THE YEARS WHEN WE WERE DOING THE BUDGET, THE VOLATILITY IN THE HOUSING MARKET. WE'VE DEFINITELY BENEFITED OVER THIS LAST YEAR BASED ON THESE INCREASES IN VALUES BUT AT THE SAME TOKEN, WE ALL REMEMBER 2008 AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT'S OCCURRED THEN. BUT A NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT, SERVICES FUNDED BY THE ASSESSMENT MUST PROVIDE A SPECIFIC BENEFITS OF THE LAND BURDENED BY THE ASSESSMENT THAT'S IN STATE STATUTE. THEN THERE'S FLORIDA CASE LAW THAT PROVIDES THE FUNDING FOR SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS MAY NOT BE USED TO FUND EMERGENCY MEDICAL [NOISE] SERVICES AND THOSE COSTS CANNOT BE INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED ASSESSMENT. TO SPEAK, ABOUT THE ITEMS THAT AREN'T A PART OF THE NON-AD VALOREM. THIS WOULD BE COMING STRAIGHT FROM THE AD VALOREM OR THE MILLAGE. THIS WOULD BE THE EMS PORTION BASED ON THE COST THAT MR. POZZO HAS GIVEN US. WE HAVE JUST $5.5 MILLION IN ANNUAL OPERATING COST, AS HE HAD INDICATED. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT TRANSPORT REVENUE ABOUT 1.4. WE'RE ASSUMING THE SAME COLLECTION RATE AS THE COUNTY, PROBABLY THE SAME RATES AS WELL. FROM GOING THROUGH THE STUDY, MR. POZZO AND HIS TEAM HAS INDICATED HERE IN THE TOWN OF JUPITER, WE HAVE A VERY HIGH COLLECTION RATE WITHIN THE TOWN OF JUPITER FOR THOSE TRANSPORTATION COSTS. [NOISE] WE HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITIES THERE TO LOWER THE ACTUAL ANNUAL COST OF THE RESONANT DOWN TO JUST $4.1 MILLION IN ANNUAL OPERATING COSTS FOR THE EMS PORTION. WHAT WOULD THE BUDGET LOOK LIKE? THAT'S A QUESTION BASED ON MR. POZZO'S NUMBERS. WE'RE LOOKING AT $17.3 MILLION FOR THE FIRE THAT WOULD BE FUNDED THROUGH NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT. THAT INCLUDES THE DEBT SERVICE THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY FOR THE BUILDING AND THE FIRE CAPITAL ON THE VEHICLES. THEN 4.1 FOR THE EMS PORTION, THAT'S AD VALOREM DRIVEN OR MILLAGE DRIVEN. THE NEXT YOU CAN SEE IT'D BE $21.5 MILLION IN TOTAL WHICH INCLUDES THE $3 MILLION IN DEBT SERVICE. THE QUESTION WOULD BE, WELL, I GET THIS EVERY YEAR DURING THE BUDGET, WHAT WOULD THE MILLAGE LOOK LIKE? SO YOU CAN SEE HERE THE MS PORTION FOR THE OPERATING VERY MINIMAL TOTAL OF 2.7610 WITH THE TOWN OPERATING MILLAGE OF 2.4633, AND THE EMS MILLAGE OF 0.2977. VERY FAVORABLE. THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FIRE OPERATING MILLAGE, 1.8 713 NOW TO BE FAIR TO PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE, THAT INCLUDES FIRE AND EMS COMBINED. JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT SLIDE. AGAIN, AS INDICATED EARLIER, DIVERSIFICATION AND REVENUES, THAT'S THE KEY OF THE RECOMMENDATION. I'VE CONTACTED A NUMBER OF MUNICIPALITIES DO THIS METHOD. IT'S NOT UNUSUAL, THERE'S NOTHING REAL INTERESTING ABOUT THIS PROCESS. IT JUST CREATES ANOTHER SOURCE OF REVENUE TO BE ABLE TO FUND YOUR ONGOING EXPENSES AND YOUR DEBT SERVICE. IT JUST DOES REQUIRE SOME UPFRONT WORK THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE WITH STAFF TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP AND IMPLEMENT IT. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING FOR THE FIRE PORTION OF THE EXPENSES. USING THE BLENDED METHOD OF FUNDING WE'LL CREATE A MORE CONSISTENT REVENUE STREAM. AGAIN, TO SAFEGUARD AGAINST PROPERTY VALUE REDUCTIONS DUE TO VOLATILITY IN THE MARKET. BUT IF THE COUNCIL WISHES TO FORM THE ENTIRE OPERATING BUDGET FROM AD VALOREM TAXES SIMILAR TO WHAT THE COUNTY USES, THE MILLAGE WILL BE BASED ON THE CURRENT HOUSING VALUES THE PROJECTED OPERATING COSTS WOULD BE AS FOLLOWS. YOU CAN SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH TOWN MILLAGE IF THE PROJECTED FIVE-YEAR WINDOW OF COST FROM MR. POZZO'S ORIGINAL PROPOSAL, YOU CAN SEE THE MILLAGE FOR THE FIRE AND EMS JUMPS UP TO 1.4831, TOTAL OF 3.9464. IF WE USE THE COUNTY WIDE MSBU THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED TO THE ONLY PROPOSAL WE CURRENTLY HAVE PROVIDED 3.4581, A TOTAL TOWN MILLAGE OF 5.9214. YOU CAN SEE IT IS FAVORABLE AT THAT POINT WITH THOSE TWO MILLAGES BUT AGAIN, IT'S AN OPTION OF THE COUNCIL IF THEY WISH TO PROCEED FORWARD WITH A MILLAGE FOR FUNDING BUT I DO FEEL THAT THE NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT IS A GOOD WAY TO GO FOR THE TOWN AND CREATES THAT DIVERSITY THAT'S NEEDED. WE TALKED ABOUT GROWTH, LOOKING AT THE FIRE ESTIMATES THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS EARLIER BACK IN NOVEMBER. [02:50:03] YOU LOOK AT THE COUNTY PROPOSAL THAT'S CURRENTLY BEEN PROVIDED THAT GOES FROM $33.8 MILLION TO OVER $62 MILLION. THE ICMA COST PROPOSAL GOES FROM THE 22 MILLION UP TO JUST OVER $26 MILLION. THEN OBVIOUSLY THE COST TO THE RESIDENTS, WE ALWAYS ASK THAT QUESTION. WE'RE VERY SENSITIVE ABOUT THAT. WHAT IS THIS GOING TO COST HE RESIDENTS? WE'VE SEEN THESE NUMBERS PREVIOUSLY IN NOVEMBER AS FAR AS THE COUNTY PROPOSAL GOES UP THE 1.7, I'M SORRY, $1,786 IN YEAR 5 BASED ON THE ICMA ESTIMATES ROLLING FORWARD, $766 ANNUALLY IMPACT OR SAVINGS TO THE RESIDENTS OF JUST OVER $1,000. BUT THAT'S BASED ON A 5 PERCENT GROWTH FACTOR TO BE FAIR. I KNOW MR. POZZO SHOWED THAT TO YOU EARLIER AND WE ROLLED THOSE DOLLARS FORWARD FOR A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD TO SEE WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. NOW, THE BIG QUESTION I GET, I KNOW WE'RE VERY SENSITIVE TO WHAT IMPACT WILL BE TO THE RESIDENTS? WE PUT TOGETHER A FUNDING TIMELINE. THERE'S SOME FUNDING EVENTS THAT WOULD NEED TO OCCUR IF THE COUNCIL WISH TO PROCEED FORWARD. OBVIOUSLY, IF THE COUNTY COULD PROVIDE US WITH AN INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT THAT THEY HAVE INDICATED THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT COMPLETED BY MARCH. THAT'S ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT'S IN HERE IN FEBRUARY. ALSO, THERE WOULD BE A DECISION AT SOME POINT IN TIME IF THE COUNCIL SO WISH TO TO PROCEED FORWARD WITH CREATING OUR OWN FIRE DEPARTMENT, WORKING WITH THE PALM BEACH COUNTY ON CREATING THAT. ALSO, WE WOULD HAVE TO HIRE SOME STAFF RIGHT UP FRONT. WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY TO HELP QUARTERBACK THIS PROCESS FROM AN OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT. WE WOULD HAVE TO HIRE BOND COUNSEL IF WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO BOND SOME FUNDS ALONG WITH THE CONSULTANT THAT WILL BE NECESSARY TO START THE NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT. WE WOULD HAVE TO ORDER THE FIRE APPARATUS. WE ALREADY KNOW THAT. THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A DESIGN CONSULTANT HIRED TO BE ABLE TO HELP US DESIGN FIRE STATIONS. AS MR. POZZO INDICATED EARLIER, I'VE BEEN REACHING OUT TO A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT FIRMS THAT DEAL WITH DESIGN, BUILD FIRE STATIONS. THEY ALSO LEASE TO OWN. WHAT THAT OPTION IS. I'M STILL WEIGHING IN AT THIS POINT, I'M SPEAKING WITH THESE ACCOMPANIES THAT POSSIBLY LEASE TO OWN OPTION MAY BE VIABLE. DEPENDS ON WHAT THE TERMS ARE. BUT I'M SPEAKING WITH A COUPLE OF THOSE DIFFERENT COMPANIES TO BE ABLE TO HAVE OPTIONS FOR THE TOWN AS WE START TO GET INTO THAT. BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, IN YEAR 3 OF WHAT I'VE LAID OUT HERE, WE'RE GOING TO START ADVERTISING FOR PEOPLE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START RAMPING UP TO HIRE PEOPLE AS MR. POZZO INDICATED. THIS GOING TO BE THAT LAST YEAR BEFORE WE GO LIVE, THAT YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE SLIDE. THE LAST YEAR IS ABOUT A HALF A YEAR'S WORTH OF COSTS. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE ON BOARD. THEY'RE GOING TO BE TRAINING, THEY'RE GOING TO BE GETTING READY TO IMPLEMENT THE TOWN FIRE DEPARTMENT. IT'S GOING TO BE HALF A YEAR OF COSTS THAT WILL BE READY FOR, WE'LL START COLLECTING THOSE AD VALOREM DOLLARS THAT YEAR TO FUND THAT HALF A YEAR ALONG WITH THE NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT PIECE TO HELP FUND THAT PORTION OF THE FIRE, WE'LL ALREADY BE COLLECTING SOME OF THAT THE YEAR PRIOR TO BE ABLE TO START PAYING THAT DEBT SERVICE THAT WE'VE HAD TO ISSUE. BY YEAR 5 SPECIFIC BY JANUARY OF THAT YEAR, WE'LL BE READY TO BE ABLE TO TURN ON THE TOWN FIRE DEPARTMENT IF THE COUNCIL SO WISHES. THIS IS THE INITIAL FUNDING PLAN THAT WE'VE PUT TOGETHER AND WE ARE PREPARED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION. >> OKAY. I GUESS TO KICK OFF, I JUST REALLY WANT TO SUMMARIZE THAT FOR THE BENEFIT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO ARE WATCHING US ONLINE OR WILL BE WATCHING US ON REPLAY, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN HAS BEEN WORKING ON. AS IT WAS SAID, WE WERE NOTIFIED BY PALM BEACH COUNTY OVER A YEAR AGO ABOUT THE INTENT TO SUBJECT US TO A VERY SIGNIFICANT PRICE HIKES TO SUBSIDIZE OTHER AREAS, WHICH WE THINK WAS UNFAIR. WITH LEADERSHIP OF OUR TOWN MANAGER, WE HIRED A CONSULTANT, THEY'VE BEEN WORKING FOR MORE THAN SIX MONTHS, WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS, BOTH ONE-ON-ONE WITH OUR STAFF AND WITH THE CONSULTANTS AS RECENTLY AS THE LAST WEEK. [02:55:05] I WANT, AGAIN, THOSE WATCHING TO KNOW THAT AT LEAST WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE AND DISCUSS WHAT WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT, MINOR CHANGES SINCE THEN. THEREFORE, IN LARGE PART, IN THESE ONE-ON-ONE SESSIONS, WE'VE ASKED QUESTIONS. I'M NOT GOING TO SUGGEST THAT OTHERS MIGHT HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S UNDERSTANDING WHY SOME DEGREE THERE'S GOING TO BE A LACK OF QUESTIONS BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND ARE INFORMED. I'M GOING TO SUGGEST TO MY COLLEAGUES THAT ISSUES LIKE AD VALOREM, NON AD VALOREM, I DON'T THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD GET INTO TONIGHT BECAUSE I HAD DISCUSSED THAT, I WOULD WANT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT. AGAIN, JUST A SUGGESTION. I'M NOT TRYING TO DEPRIVE SOMEBODY FROM ASKING THAT. I WANT TO REALLY JUST MAKE A COUPLE OTHER REMARKS QUESTIONS AND THEN I'LL TURN IT OVER TO OTHERS. THIS HAS BEEN PAINFUL AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL REPRESENTING THE PUBLIC. WE'RE TRYING TO BE KIND HERE. WE'VE BEEN VERY HAPPY WITH PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN REALLY IN GOOD FAITH SAY GOOD FAITH EFFORTS ARE BEING MADE. PALM BEACH COUNTY HAS INDICATED TO US INDIVIDUALLY AND COLLECTIVELY THAT THEY WANT TO WORK COLLABORATIVELY ON NEW CONTRACT BUT IT SURE SEEMS TO ME WE'VE STEPPED BACKWARDS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A NUMBER, WE DON'T HAVE A CONTRACT, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, SO I'M GOING TO ASK PALM BEACH COUNTY, IT REALLY IS YOUR INTENT TO GET US STAFF SOON. YOU WANT TO HAVE SOME NUMBERS TO BE GIVEN US HERE. I CAN'T BE MORE DISAPPOINTED ABOUT THAT, BUT I APPRECIATE THE CONSULTANT, YOU'VE OPENED YOUR EYES TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO PROCEED ON OUR OWN. I THINK WE'RE PREPARED WITH WHAT YOU HAVE HERE. I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT IF WE GO DOWN THAT PATH, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE LOTS. I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS TO FOLLOW UP ON, BUT I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THIS MOMENT IN TIME WITH THE INFORMATION I HAVE. I WANT TO ASK SUGGESTION THAT MR. BARRETT MADE TO ME, I THINK IT'S A GOOD ONE. FIRST OF ALL, I THOUGHT BEFORE HE MADE A SUGGESTION THAT I THINK THE COUNTY IS MAKING MISTAKE HERE TRYING TO ASK US TO SPEND EVEN MORE PREMIUM BECAUSE THE COST IMPACTS TO THE COUNTY IF WE GO ON OUR OWN ON SERVING UNINCORPORATED POCKETS IS GOING TO GO UP. I REALLY BELIEVE THAT. I WANT TO ASK OR FINANCE IN MR. BARRETT TO WORK ON A WHITE PAPER ON ANNEXATION OF JONATHAN LANDINGS. WE CAN BRING IN OTHER AREAS. I MEAN, IF WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN THIS PATH, THERE'S OTHER UNINCORPORATED AREAS THAT WE CAN SIGNIFICANTLY HELP OFFSET OUR COSTS AND MAKE US EVEN THAT MUCH MORE COMPETITIVE, AND I SAY THAT'S A PALM BEACH COUNTY HERE, IS THAT RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S DRIVING US TO DO, SO I WOULD ASK FOR THAT INFORMATION TO LOOK AT THAT SO WE'RE MINDFUL THAT WE COULD GO FORTH AND BRING IN OTHER REVENUE IN ADDITION TO HELP AND IT WOULDN'T INCREASE IN ANY SIGNIFICANT WAY WHAT OUR FIRE RESCUE COST WOULD BE ON A MUNICIPAL WITH COMPANY. WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MY COLLEAGUES IF ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS OR HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >> I JUST HAVE A QUESTION IN TERMS OF WHAT THE EXPECTATION IS THIS EVENING. I MEAN, THIS IS A PRESENTATION, I GUESS WE'RE JUST TAKING IN THE INFORMATION, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE MAKING ANY DECISIONS OR GETTING ANY DIRECTION, IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES. I ONLY SPOKE AS I DID BECAUSE ON THE OTHER HAND, AT SOME POINT IN TIME WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS SO WE'RE SENDING THE MESSAGE TO PALM BEACH COUNTY, LET'S GET GOING ON, LET US KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD BE OFFERING. WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THE CONTRACT, WE HAVE THOSE, WHAT THE COSTS ARE, BUT TO THE DEGREE, AGAIN, WHAT I KEEP GETTING AN UPDATE ON IS, YOU WANT TO COLLABORATIVELY WORK ON NEW CONTRACT. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT MEANS. YEAH, WE CAN'T MAKE ANY DECISION TONIGHT, BUT WE'VE RECEIVED THE INFORMATION AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU WANT TO GIVE ANY DIRECTION, NOW'S THE TIME AND THEN IT'LL HAVE TO COME BACK TO US AGAIN. >> I THINK IT'S ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO SPEAK TO ONE ANOTHER BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN IN THESE ONE-ON-ONE, SO WE'VE REVIEWED, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG AND IT'S A PRETTY LARGE DOCUMENT WITH A LOT TO DIGEST, AND I'D HIGHLY RECOMMEND ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST IN THIS DISCUSSION, IT'S CERTAINLY WORTH READING THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, [03:00:03] BUT IT'S INTERESTING THAT YOU SAY THAT ABOUT ANNEXATION FOR EXAMPLE. IF YOU HADN'T SAID THAT, I NEVER WOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE THINKING. I'D ASKED FOR THE ANNEXATION PROCESS PAPER TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT PROCESS. THERE ARE OTHERS THAT ARE CURIOUS ABOUT THAT IN TERMS OF THE BIGGER ANALYSIS OF ALL THE OPTIONS IN FRONT OF US. THE WAY I LOOK AT FIRE IS, WE'VE BEEN VERY CLOSE TO OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND WE'VE GOT OUR POLICE CHIEF HERE. IN EVERY TOWN COUNCIL MEETING, YOU SIT THROUGH THE WHOLE MEETING. I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT THERE'S A PROXIMITY THERE AND THERE'S CERTAINLY THERE'S DATA, THERE'S THE ANNUAL REPORT, THERE'S PRESENTATIONS, BUT THERE'S ALSO JUST AN ORAL HISTORY THAT'S PASSED DOWN WHEN YOU HAVE THAT PROXIMITY. I HAVE TO SAY IN MY OBSERVATIONS AS A NEW MEMBER, THAT HAD BEEN MISSING OR HAS BEEN MISSING WITH FIRE RESCUE BECAUSE THERE'S THAT LAYER OF SEPARATION. IT'S JUPITER POLICE DEPARTMENT BUT PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE. THIS MAY HAVE BEEN THE FIRST TIME THAT OUR COUNCIL HAS RECEIVED CERTAIN REPORTS, MONTHLY REPORTS, FIRE ALARMS, JUST THAT DATA THAT WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR TO HELP UNDERSTAND FIRE, BUT ALSO THE ORAL HISTORY. I WAS AT A TRAINING SESSION THIS WEEKEND JUST GETTING TO SEE, TOUCH, FEEL, UNDERSTAND ALL THAT GOES INTO TRAINING. YOU CAN READ IT IN A DOCUMENT, BUT UNDERSTANDING THE INTANGIBLES AS WELL. THE ORAL HISTORY HAS BEEN IMPORTANT AND TO SOME EXTENT, THERE'S A TRANSLATION ASPECT TO, MY FATHER SERVED IN THE MILITARY AND I'M TRYING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT HE DID. IT'S ALL FRENCH TO ME AND TRYING TO TRANSLATE IT AT TIMES CAN BE DIFFICULT AND I'VE SEEN A LITTLE BIT OF THAT AS WELL, AND JUST WORKING TO TRANSLATE OVER THIS PROCESS, AND ALL OF THAT IS ONE THING. THE OTHER THING IS JUST COST. COST IS REALLY A BIG PART OF THIS. IT'S WHAT'S DRIVING IT. THE MILLAGE RATE. WE TALKED ABOUT MILLAGE AD NAUSEUM LAST SUMMER AND IT WAS $15 THAT WERE FIGHTING OVER. IT GOT PRETTY INTENSE FOR $15. WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT A $1,000 PER HOUSEHOLD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S A MUCH BIGGER NUMBER AND REALLY PUTS THINGS INTO PERSPECTIVE REALLY QUICKLY, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE DOING THIS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT MILLAGE, WHAT I HAD SAID DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS WAS, OH, WOW, WE'VE GOT A REALLY LOW MILLAGE COMPARED TO OTHERS, BUT IT'S ALSO MUNICIPALITIES ARE SO DIFFERENT, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT POPULATIONS. JUPITER HIGH-SCHOOL IS BIGGER THAN A GOOD NUMBER OF THEM IN TERMS OF POPULATION, BUT ALSO VALUATION. YOU TAKE A PERCENTAGE OF A LARGE NUMBER, YOU'RE GOING TO GET A LARGE DOLLAR NUMBER AND IF YOU TAKE A PERCENTAGE OF A LOW NUMBER, YOU'RE GOING TO GET A LOWER DOLLAR NUMBER, AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT JUST TAKES A CERTAIN NUMBER OF DOLLARS TO RUN A FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE OF WHERE WE ARE IN TERMS OF VALUATION AND POPULATION COMPARED TO OTHERS. THAT MILLAGE RATE, THE ONE SIZE FITS ALL OF THE COUNTY. I HAVE WATCHED COUNTY MEETINGS. IT'S FUNNY TO WATCH BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE COUNTY MILLAGE OF THE 3.4 AND THEN THE JUPITER OF THE 1.78 AND THE COUNTY COMMISSIONS GOING, AND THIS IS A PREVIOUS COMMISSION, AND THEY'RE JUST LIKE, WHAT IS THAT? IT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE WHY ARE WE SET APART? THERE'S LONG HISTORY THERE TOO, BUT THERE'S THAT QUESTION OF WHY DO WE HAVE THAT LOWER RATE WHEN EVERYONE ELSE HAS THE 3.4? BUT PART OF IT'S BECAUSE WE ARE NOT ALL THE SAME, WE'RE NOT ALL THE SAME VALUATION. SOME OF US HAVE TALL BUILDINGS AND TINY SQUARE MILEAGE, OTHERS ARE MORE SPREAD OUT, THERE'S MORE DENSE. EACH MUNICIPALITIES IS DIFFERENT AND SO JUST LOOKING AT ALL OF THIS, IT'S A REALLY HEAVY LIFT. IT'S REALLY SUCKED UP ALL THE OXYGEN IN THE ROOM OF THIS TOWN FOR A YEAR NOW AND TRYING TO MANAGE EVERYTHING ELSE ON TOP OF IT, I'M REALLY GRATEFUL TO STAFF FOR ALL THAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING. WE'VE CERTAINLY BEEN TRYING TO WORK AS HARD AS YOU SET THE EXAMPLE FOR ALL OF US, BUT THAT'S WHERE IT'S COMING FROM BECAUSE ALSO JUST LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE. WE'VE GOT INFLATION AND POSSIBLE RECESSION AND THIS EXTERNAL ENVIRONMENT AND SOMEONE HAS A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY. TO HAVE THIS AS WELL, IT'S ALL COMING TOGETHER IN STRANGE WAYS. WE'RE WORKING OUR HARDEST, WE CERTAINLY HAVE A LOT OF CONFIDENCE MORE AND MORE AS WE GO ON, [03:05:05] BUT THIS IS A BIG DECISION AND WE WANT TO PUT EVERYTHING INTO IT. THESE ARE JUST THE THOUGHTS THAT I'M HAVING AS I GO THROUGH IT. THAT'S MY NARRATIVE. >> WE'VE KNOWN THIS HAS BEEN COMING FOR YEARS NOW. I HAD MEET WITH DIFFERENT REPS FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FROM PALM BEACH FIRE, AND I'VE PROBABLY SAID IT BEFORE, WE LOVE THE WHOLE CREW, THE WHOLE STAFF, THE GREAT MEN AND WOMEN, WE'VE HAD GREAT SERVICE, BUT FEW MONTHS AGO, WE GOT THE PROPOSAL FROM THE COUNTY THAT THEY WANT TO BASICALLY DOUBLE OUR RATE IN A FEW YEARS. I ALMOST FELL OUT OF MY CHAIR. IT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE, IT'S NOT FAIR. WE SAID IT'S TOO HIGH, COME BACK WITH SOMETHING ELSE, WE'VE GOT NOTHING FORMAL. WHAT I GET FROM MY TOWN MANAGER IS, THEY WANT TO GET TOGETHER AND TALK. WE NEED TO SEE COST-PLUS NUMBERS. WE'VE BEEN HAVING ALL THESE MEETINGS, I'VE MET WITH STAFF, FIRE REPS, JOE, AND HIS TEAM AND JUST DIGESTING ALL THAT I'M WONDERING IF JUPITER IS AT THE POINT WHERE WE JUST NEED TO HAVE OUR OWN FIRE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE BASICALLY RENTING FIRE SERVICE, IT'S JUST BECOMING TOO COSTLY AND WE HAVE NO CONTROL. I CAN SEE WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS NOT SUSTAINABLE. I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO SEE PALM BEACH COUNTY COME BACK, SIT DOWN WITH OUR TEAM, GO OVER SOME NUMBERS AND THEN BOUNCE IT OFF FOR US. BUT AT THIS POINT, I'M JUST AMAZED. I FEEL LIKE WE'VE BEEN PUSHED INTO A CORNER WITH THIS BECAUSE I CAN'T SIGN UP TO SOMETHING WHERE THE COSTS ARE GOING TO ESCALATE AND WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER IT. RIGHT NOW THAT'S I WAS GOING TO ASK SCOTT ABOUT THE NON-MILLAGE A SET THE ASSESSMENTS, BUT I WON'T NOW I'LL WAIT ON THAT, BUT I'M JUST LIKE, I JUST WANTED TO LET IT BE KNOWN THAT I JUST FEEL IT BACK INTO A CORNER ON THIS. I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED. WE'LL SEE HOW IT GOES FROM HERE. >> THE WAY I SEE IT IS THAT WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A CONTINUING PROCESS WITH THE COUNTY TO COME UP WITH THE CORRECT RATE FOR JUPITER. I DON'T THINK THAT WE'VE HAD A BEST AND FINAL AT ALL. I THINK THE COUNTY HAS BEEN LISTENING TO US AND IS TRYING TO WORK TOWARDS COMING UP WITH A RATE THAT MAKES MORE SENSE FOR US. EVEN IF ONE WERE PREDISPOSED OR THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT IDEA TO HAVE A JUPITER FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE FIRST STEP IS TO GET AN AGREEMENT THAT HAS A GOOD RATE FOR THE TOWN OF JUPITER BECAUSE EVEN IF YOU WANTED A FIRE DEPARTMENT, IT TAKES THREE OR FOUR YEARS AND YOU STILL HAVE TO COME UP WITH THAT RATE. TO ME, THAT'S THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS. WE'VE GOTTEN INTO THE WEEDS ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS ABOUT WHAT A FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD LOOK LIKE, BUT WE STILL NEED THIS AGREEMENT FIRST. I DON'T WANT US TO TAKE OUR EYE OFF THE BALL AND I WANT US TO FOCUS ON GETTING THAT DONE AND HOPEFULLY, THE COUNTY WILL UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S PRESSING THAT WE HAVE TO GET DONE AND WE'LL START TO GET PROPOSALS BACK THAT MAKE MORE SENSE FOR JUPITER. THE OTHER THING THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IN ALL OF THESE PRESENTATIONS IS THAT IT'S ALL QUANTITATIVE AND THERE'S NOTHING QUALITATIVE HERE. WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE A SERVICE THAT THE RESIDENTS LIKE THAT IS VERY WELL RUN, IS AN ORGANIZATION WITH A GOOD CULTURE, AND TO ME, IT'S A HUGE RISK TO SIMPLY THROW THAT OUT BECAUSE YOU CAN BUILD ANOTHER DEPARTMENT WITH THE NUMBERS AND MAYBE IT'S CHEAPER, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET, IT WOULD BE A BRAND NEW ORGANIZATION THAT HAS TO BUILD CULTURE, HAS TO BUILD HISTORY, HAS TO BUILD HOW IT WORKS WITH EVERYBODY AND WE HAVE ONE NOW THAT WORKS. THE PROBLEM HAS BEEN THAT THE INITIAL PROPOSAL WAS JUST COMPLETELY UNREALISTIC OR NOT ACCEPTABLE. THERE WAS NOTHING WE COULD DO WITH THAT. WE HAD TO LOOK AT IT AND THEN INVESTIGATE BUT I THINK THAT THE FOCUS NEEDS TO BE, CAN WE GET THE NUMBERS? THAT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE TO ME IT'S A HUGE UNDERTAKING TO CREATE A NEW DEPARTMENT AND IT'S ALSO A HUGE DISTRACTION. THERE ARE SO MANY PRIORITIES THAT THE RESIDENTS IN JUPITER WANT US TO WORK ON THAT HAVE NOT BEEN WORKED ON. I'VE BEEN VERY FRUSTRATED FRANKLY, FOR THE PAST EIGHT MONTHS BECAUSE A LOT OF THINGS I WANT TO GET DONE TAKE A BACKSEAT BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS. RESIDENTS ARE SATISFIED WITH FIRE AND RESCUE SERVICE BUT THEY'RE NOT SATISFIED WITH OTHER THINGS. [03:10:01] SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT POLICIES, TRAFFIC, ETC AND OUR EMPHASIS NEEDS TO BE THERE. I'M A LITTLE SKEPTICAL, AND THEN I HAVE TO SAY I WAS A LITTLE TAKEN ABACK BY THE FACT THAT A QUIET PLACE, WHICH COUNSELOR MAY HAD AS A STRATEGIC INITIATIVE AS ANOTHER POSSIBLE USE FOR SOMETHING WAS SUDDENLY PUT IN THE RING FOR A FIRE DEPARTMENT, SINK WEST PARK, WHICH WAS SET ASIDE FOR HISTORICAL REASONS AND IT WAS TRUCK TRAFFIC OF INDIANTOWN ROAD BECAUSE THERE'S AN OPEN SPACE ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT'S A POSSIBLE LOCATION FOR A FIRE STATION. WE DIDN'T HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT. THERE ARE LOTS OF OTHER THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE WITH THOSE PROPERTIES. I THINK THERE'S JUST A LOT GOING ON HERE AND AS I SAID BEFORE, THE FIRST PRIORITY NEEDS TO BE GET THE AGREEMENT DONE BECAUSE REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE MAJORITY DECIDES TO DO LATER GOING FORWARD, WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT RIGHT. >> [NOISE] I HEARD A COUPLE OF TIMES AND I CAN'T PREDICT THE FUTURE AND THAT GOES FOR BUDGETARY REASONS ALWAYS. EVERYTHING IS ESCALATING LOOK AT THE TOWN HALL. WE STARTED OUT WHO IS GOING TO CAUSE 15, 16 MILLION TO BUILD IT. NEXT, THEY KNOW WE'RE SECURING AN AGREEMENT FOR 25 MILLION TO BUILD OUR TOWN HALL AND THAT WAS ONLY IN TWO YEARS. THE COST OF EVERYTHING OBVIOUSLY ARE INCREASING IN A WASTE-MANAGEMENT, WE JUST WENT THROUGH THAT WHOLE CONTRACT. I WANTED TO SECURE WASTE MANAGEMENT AT $19 A MONTH AND THEN WE SAID, NO, WE CAN'T DO THAT, WE HAVE TO DO THIS. THEN THEY CAME BACK, THEY WERE THE CHEAPEST, BUT IT WAS STILL $22 A MONTH BY THE TIME THEY CAME BACK. THE COST OF EVERYTHING ARE GOING UP. I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT. THE COUNTY HAS ADMITTED THAT THE FIRST PROPOSAL THEY GAVE, THEY DIDN'T REALIZE THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE THAT MUCH AND THEY SAID, WE'LL COME BACK WITH SOMETHING ELSE. THEY CAME BACK WITH THE SECOND PROPOSAL, THOUGH, ONE OFFICIAL, STILL A LOT BETTER MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. I THINK WE NEED TO CONTINUE MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION BEFORE WE JUST JUMP OFF AND GO. WE'RE GOING TO DO OUR OWN THING BECAUSE LIKE COUNSELOR SCHNEIDER SAID, YOU CAN'T PUT QUALITY OVER QUANTITY. I'M SORRY, YOU CAN'T PUT QUANTITY OVER QUALITY BECAUSE WHAT PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE HAS BUILT IN 40 PLUS YEARS YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO OBTAIN THAT ANYTIME SOON AND THE QUALITY OF THE EMPLOYEES IF YOU WERE TO JUST TURN AROUND AND SAY, WE'RE GOING TO START, WE HAVE A GREAT POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT'S BEEN AROUND FOREVER BUT THAT'S BECAUSE IT WAS BUILT TO BE THAT WAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT IN 36 MONTHS. IT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE. I'M SATISFIED WITH THE PRESENTATION OF THE TECHNICAL REPORT. OBVIOUSLY, I HAVE A LOT MORE EMOTION BEHIND THIS BECAUSE I'M IN THIS LINE OF DUTY AND I KNOW WHAT PALM BEACH COUNTY PROVIDES THE RESONANCE OF THIS TOWN TO MY FAMILY. I'M NOT EVEN FROM A BUDGETARY STANDPOINT. I UNDERSTAND THE COST IS GOING TO INCREASE. I DON'T THINK WE CAN OBTAIN THE NUMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO US. I JUST DON'T SEE IT BECAUSE OF HISTORICALLY, EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, EVERY TIME WE SAY, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, BY THE TIME WE'RE DONE WITH IT, IT'S EXPONENTIALLY HIGHER. I CAN'T BELIEVE THE NUMBERS EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE PRESENTED AS LOWER, I JUST CAN'T REALLY ACCEPT THEM. I NOTE PALM BEACH COUNTY IS GOING TO COME BACK WITH A BETTER PROPOSAL. THEY'RE WORKING ON IT. THEY'VE TOLD ALL OF US THAT THEY'RE DOING IT. I THINK WE JUST NEED TO WAIT AND LET THEM COME BACK BEFORE WE EVEN START LOOKING AT TIMELINES OF HOW TO START IT ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. >> I WASN'T IMPLYING WANT TO JUMP RIGHT NOW. I'M NOT SEEING ANY FOLLOW-UPS. LIKE I SAID, I'M SURPRISED. I'M EVEN LOOKING AT JOE'S PROPOSAL. I'M SURPRISED WE'RE HERE. THAT'S ALL. I'M NOT READY TO JUMP NOW, BUT I NEVER CONSIDERED JUPITER HAVING THEIR OWN FIRE DEPARTMENT. I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S JUST GOING THIS WAY AND I'LL GO DOWN THE STREAM. >> RIGHT NOW, IF YOU GUYS LOOK UP PILOT BEACH, THEY BROKE AWAY FROM DELRAY BEACH FIRE RESCUE BECAUSE THEY WERE HAVING DISAGREEMENTS AND THEY SAID WE CAN DO IT CHEAPER AND THEY'RE NOT. IT'S ACTUALLY MORE EXPENSIVE. ONCE THEY GOT INTO FIGURING IT ALL OUT, IT WAS WAY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WHAT THEY THOUGHT THEY COULD DO IT FOR. THAT'S A LIVE EXAMPLE THAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. >> JUST TO COMMENT, FIRST OF ALL, ON QUALITY OF FIRE RESCUE. THERE'S NO DOUBT WE'RE VERY SATISFIED. EVERYBODY WITH THE QUALITY OF PALM BEACH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE. [03:15:03] THE SATISFACTION ON THE PART OF OUR RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES. IF THEY RECEIVE A STAGGERING COST INCREASES, THAT SATISFACTION IS GOING TO GO. I'VE LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS, PALM BEACH COUNTY WILL BE ASHAMED FOR THINKING THAT WE OUGHT TO PAY THE SAME MILLAGE RATE BECAUSE WHEN YOU BREAK IT DOWN TO A COST PER RESIDENT, THEY'D BE ASKING OUR RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES TO PAY HIGHER SHARE. BASICALLY, SUBSIDIZE OTHER AREAS IN ANY OTHER MUNICIPALITY. I THINK IT'S UNFAIR. WE'VE BEEN ASKING PLEASE GET FORWARD. THAT'S WHAT I SAID. WITH REGARD TO QUALITY. WHAT I'M CONFIDENT THAT IS WE'VE GOT THE BEST POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE COUNTY, PERHAPS IN THE STATE. I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THE CULTURE HERE FOR MANAGING OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULDN'T RUB OFF ON FIRE RESCUE. I ABSOLUTELY HAVE NO CONCERNS ABOUT QUALITY. YES, IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME TO GET THERE. WE'RE NOT MAKING A DECISION TONIGHT. WHAT WE GOT IS INFORMATION WHICH WE'VE CONTINUED TO GET. WE'VE EVER MADE DECISIONS ON SITE LOCATIONS IN THE ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS? YOU HAVE TO DECIDE WHERE COULD YOU PUT A FIRE RESCUE STATION IN THOSE TWO SITES CAME UP. I ASKED ABOUT THEM. THERE CAN BE OTHERS, SO THERE HAS BEEN NO DECISIONS MADE ON THOSE. I THINK IN THE COURSE OF DOING THE STUDY, THEY COULDN'T HAVE DONE A STUDY WITHOUT SAYING, HEY, HERE'S A POSSIBLE SITE. I THINK THERE MAY BE MANY OTHER ALTERNATIVES THAT COULD MATERIALIZE THAT QUITE FRANKLY, COULD BE LOWER COST. I APPRECIATE WHAT WE GOT. I THINK THE MESSAGE I THINK WE'RE SENDING ALL OF US IS A COUNTY ON A GET WITH STAFF AND LET US KNOW WHAT YOU'D LIKE A NEW CONTRACT WOULD BE AND THEN WE CAN DECIDE ACCORDINGLY FROM THAT. BUT WE'RE GOING DOWN THE PATH. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE INEVITABLE IF THIS DRAGS ON THAT WE AT LEAST IN MY MIND, WOULD HAVE TO PUSH IT IN PARALLEL. WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY DECISIONS THAT WE'VE SEEN A STUDY. I'M SURE [INAUDIBLE] COUNTY BY NOW HAS GOT SOME NUMBERS ARE GOING TO SIT DOWN WITH OUR TOWN MANAGER AND WE'LL HEAR ABOUT THEM. >> JUST TO ADD TO WHAT THE MAYOR SAID IS ONE REASON WHY I WOULD CONSIDER THIS IS THE FAITH I HAVE IN OUR STAFF. WE HAVE A CLASS C POLICE DEPARTMENT AND I KNOW THEY'LL BE BUMPS AND BRUISES ALONG THE WAY, BUT I HAVE NO QUESTION THAT OUR STAFF COULD PULL UP CREATING A WHOLE NEW DEPARTMENT AND RECRUITING AND THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT, BUT THAT'S DOWN THE ROAD, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE COUNTY CAN BRING FORWARD TO US. THAT'S IT. >> I'M JUST A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT PROCEEDING IN PARALLEL BECAUSE THAT'S A HUGE UNDERTAKING AND I THINK WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE GIVE AMPLE TIME TO GET THIS CONTRACT. JOHN. >> AGREED, WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY DECISION TONIGHT. >> NOW, BUT WE'RE SENDING SIGNALS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT. >> GETS SOME NUMBERS IN HERE. I THINK IT'S GOING TO DRAG ON THE WAY. WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY PROGRESS. NONE. I KEEP HEARING ABOUT MEETING. >> I CAN'T BELIEVE WE'RE HERE. >> YEAH. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M MOVING ON TO REPORTS. TOWN ATTORNEY, TOWN MANAGER. [TOWN MANAGER] >> JUST BRIEFLY, MAN, I KNOW IT'S LATE, BUT I WANTED TO UPDATE YOU AND THE COUNCIL ON OUR ACTIONS RELATING TO THE SPERRY PROPERTY. I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY THIS PAST WEEK. WE TRIED FOR SEVERAL WEEKS TO GET A MEETING SCHEDULED WITH MR. DEMOTIC AND HIS TEAM AND WE HAD MR. BAIRD AND THE ASSISTANT TOWN MANAGER AND THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND ZONING, WE WERE IN THE MEETING TOGETHER, TALKED ABOUT THE OBVIOUSLY THE IMPLICATIONS, WHAT THE HRB OR THE HISTORICAL RESOURCES BOARD HAD PUT FORWARD AT THEIR LAST MEETING AND THE IMPORTANCE OF PROCEEDING ON A PARALLEL TRACK IF YOU WOULD. THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS AS WE MOVE FORWARD. NUMBER 1 IS THAT WE'RE WORKING TO GET THE NEXT HRB MEETING RESCHEDULED TO COMPLY WITH THE EIGHT-WEEK WINDOW THAT THEY HAVE ACCORDING TO A TOWN ATTORNEY, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL DATE OF FEBRUARY 16TH. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT THE FINAL. WE WERE WAITING FOR ONE MORE PERSON TO SAY THEY WERE GOING TO BE AVAILABLE. IN THE MEANTIME, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT IS BEING ABLE TO MOVE ON ALONG THIS LINE JUST TO GET AN APPRAISAL DONE. WE MOVING FORWARD ON THAT AS WELL, AND I'LL JUST USE EXERCISE THE PURCHASING AUTHORITY THAT I [03:20:04] HAVE THROUGH OUR POLICIES TO MOVE THAT PROCESS FORWARD SO THAT WE'RE NOT WAITING FOR THE RESULTS TO COME OUT AT THE NEXT MEETING. YOU'LL START TO HEAR SOME TALKS ABOUT THE APPRAISAL. WE ARE WORKING TO MOVE FORWARD, WORKING IN PARALLEL, AND WE REALLY HAVE TO SEE WHAT COMES OUT OF THE HRB AT THE NEXT MEETING. THEN THE OTHER THING I ALSO PUT MY REPORT JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT YOU GET CONNECT WITH THE COUNCIL THIS FRIDAY, 9:00 AM AT THE LOCOMOTIVE ON CENTER STREET. MY REPORT. THANK YOU, MAYOR >> I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON THE CITIZEN COMMENTS REGARDING MALLORY CREEK. [TOWN COUNCIL – LIAISON REPORTS AND COMMENTS] WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT FOR QUITE SOME TIME. I'D LIKE TO SEE US MAKE SOME PROGRESS ON THAT AND WE COULD DO TO BRING THAT TO CLOSURE BECAUSE THAT HAS BEEN DRAGGING ON FOR QUITE SOME TIME. >> WE ARE MOVING AHEAD ON THAT TOO AND I'LL BRIEFLY ON OUR ONE-ON-ONE MEETING. IT'S FAIRLY COMPLICATED AND SO WORKING CLOSELY WITH LEGAL TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THINGS APPROPRIATELY. >> TO REFRESH MY MEMORY WAS AT THAT MOMENT THE FENCING ISSUE. >> RIGHT, THE FENCES THAT ARE ONTO COMMON ERROR PROPERTY. >> THEN WHENEVER REMOVED. >> CORRECT. >> THERE IS A PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING ABOUT THAT OR IT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD AND WHICH IS REALLY UNUSUAL FOR PLANNING AND ZONING. NO RECOMMENDATION WAS MADE. >> BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY SIX OF US AT THE MEETING. >> RIGHT, BUT IT IS COMPLICATED. I'VE BEEN REACHED OUT TO AS WELL BY MALLORY CREEK AND ALICE BROUGHT IT UP TO THE TOP MANAGERS SO I KNOW THAT IT'S MOVING FORWARD OR IN PROCESS AND IT'S A PRIORITY. >> WAS IT A SITUATION WHERE THE TOWN USUALLY DEFERS TO THE HOA TO HANDLE IT? >> IT IS COMPLICATED. >> PROBLEM WHERE THERE WAS AN INCORRECT PERMIT ISSUED AND THEN OTHER PEOPLE JUST DECIDED TO GO AHEAD AND FENCE THEIR PROPERTIES IN THAT WAY. THERE'S A LOT TO IT, BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT'S NOT COMPLICATED BECAUSE YOU CAN'T JUST TAKE COMMON AREA PROPERTY AND FENCE IT IN. THERE'S A WHOLE LOT THAT HAS TO HAPPEN FOR THAT TO TAKE PLACE. I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY HAS BECOME MIRED DOWN AND IT'S TAKEN YEARS AND MONTHS TO GET THIS RESOLVED. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE CODE COMPLIANCE ISSUE. >> THAT'S WHAT I TRIED TO DO BUT IT DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE. >> HOA AT ONE POINT, I THINK HAD WANTED TO SELL IT OR IT COMPLICATES THE OWNERSHIP OF THE LAND. >> WELL, THERE WAS ISSUES WITH THE HOA BOARD. >> BY THE WAY MY DAUGHTER LIVES IN MALLORY CREEK. [LAUGHTER] ANY OTHER COMMENTS? >> NO. >> I'VE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH SENATOR GALE HARRELL FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY FOLLOWING COUNCILOR SCHNEIDER WHO HELPED REPRESENTATIVE SNYDER WITH AN OFFICE LOCATION IN JUPITER, SHE WILL ALSO BE SETTING UP AN OFFICE HERE AS WELL. AS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD TOWARDS THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION AND EVERYTHING, IT'S NICE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET TO KNOW THEM BETTER. >> OKAY. NO OTHER COMMENTS. WE'LL ADJOURN THE TOWN COUNCIL MEETING. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.