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>> GOOD EVENING. THE TIME IS NOW 6:00 PM AND I WANT TO CALL TO ORDER
[Call to Order]
THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AGENCY MEETING OF OCTOBER 20TH.CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE?
>> ACTING EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, KATE RENNER.
>> COMMISSIONER ATTORNEY BAIRD.
>> FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA, CITIZEN AND COMMENTS.
DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS?
>> WE HAVE BEFORE US THE MINUTES TO THE SEPTEMBER 6TH MEETING.
[1. September 6, 2022 Community Redevelopment Agency Meeting Minutes. [TAB 1]]
I DON'T SEE ANY CHANGES ON THE DIALS. DO YOU HAVE ANY CHANGES?>> MOTION TO APPROVE AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ROUNDTABLE ON
[2. Jupiter Beach Road and A1A intersection improvements update. [TAB 2]]
JUPITER BEACH ROAD IN A1A INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS UPDATE.BY THE WAY DO WE KNOW IF THE OTHER TWO ARE COMING OR? OKAY, ONE IS [LAUGHTER].
>> COMMISSIONER SCHNEIDER IS NOT GOING TO BE HERE. SHE'LL BE OUT OF TOWN.
>> GOOD EVENING. OFF THE RECORD.
DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS, THOMAS HERNANDEZ.
TONIGHT, I'LL BE GIVING YOU AN UPDATE WHICH IS A POST RABID UPDATE FOR THE JUPITER BEACH ROAD AND A1A INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO REALLY JUST FIRST START OFF BY SAYING, WE'RE ESSENTIALLY HERE AS STAFF TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE.
GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON WHAT HAS TAKEN PLACE SINCE WE LAST MET AND WENT OVER THE PROJECT PUBLICLY, AS WELL AS SEEK DIRECTION ON WHAT YOUR DESIRED END STATE IS AND WHICH ROUTE YOU WOULD LIKE US TO TAKE AS FAR AS WHETHER IT WOULD BE AROUND ABOUT OR WHETHER WE'RE TOO WOULD SEEK ALTERNATIVES.
WITH THAT, I'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
YOU'LL ALSO NOTICE THAT SOME OF THESE SLIDES DO HAVE SOME INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN ON SOME OF THE PAST PRESENTATIONS.
I'M JUST GOING TO AHEAD IN COVERING SOME OF THAT BACKGROUND.
JUST SO SOME OF THE CITIZENS OR RESIDENTS WHO MIGHT BE WATCHING AT HOME HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT BACKGROUND AS WELL.
FOR SEVERAL YEARS, TOWN RESIDENTS HAVE VOICED CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AS WELL AS THE CONGESTION AT TIMES AT THE INTERSECTION OF JUPITER BEACH ROAD AND A1A.
SOME OF THESE PRIMARY REASONS IS THAT IT'S A PRIMARY EXIT FOR JUPITER BEACH PARK, AS WELL AS DUBOIS PARK, AND THREE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS.
ON OCCASIONS, THE PARKS DO HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN THEM AND THERE ARE TIMES WHEN THEY HIT CAPACITY, SO THEY HAVE TO TURN AWAY RESIDENTS OR BEACH GOERS, AS WELL AS THERE ARE ALSO TIMES WHEN THEY GO IN AND SEE THERE'S NO SPACES AND THEN ANY BEACH GOER WOULD HAVE TO TURN AROUND AND COME BACK OUT, SO YOU DO SEE A LITTLE MORE TRAFFIC IN THOSE AREAS.
THEN ALSO, ONCE YOU COME OUT TO THE INTERSECTION ITSELF, DRIVERS WHICH ARE GOING WESTBOUND ON JUPITER BEACH ROAD AND THEY COME TO THE INTERSECTION AT A1A, THEY HAVE TO YIELD TO THE NORTH-SOUTH TRAFFIC, SO THAT PROVIDES A LITTLE BIT OF BACKUP AT THAT LOCATION.
PREVIOUS COUNTS AND 2011 AND 2016 DID NOT MEET AN MUTCD SIGNAL WARRANT.
HOWEVER, COUNTS CONDUCTED IN 2019 DID MEET A MUTCD MINIMUM WARRANT CONDITION, WHICH IS NOT A MANDATORY CONDITION AFTER FURTHER EVALUATION OF THE TRAFFIC CONDITIONS.
THESE WERE ALSO PRESENTED TO THE CRA COMMISSION IN THE PAST.
THE TOWN PROCEEDED WITH THE DESIGN OF A TRAFFIC ROUNDABOUT.
REALLY THE ROUNDABOUT ITSELF WAS PRESENTED AS BEING THE BEST, OPERATIONALLY EFFICIENT, AS WELL AS LOOKING AT SOME OF THE SAFETY FOR PEDESTRIANS AS WELL AS VEHICLES IN A COMBINED FACTOR TOGETHER.
THEN ALSO THE ONE UPSIDE OF HAVING A ROUNDABOUT WAS, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE AUDIBLE WALK SIGNAL RUNNING ALL NIGHT OR RUNNING ADJACENT TO A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
LET'S SAY THAT THERE'S A HURRICANE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY AS MUCH IF THERE WERE SIGNS THAT WERE
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WIPED OUT OR LET'S SAY THE POWER WAS KNOCKED OUT IN THE AREA, IT WOULD OPERATE IN MOSTLY THE SAME MANNER IN WHICH IT WOULD DURING DURING ANY OTHER TIME.JUST FOR ILLUSTRATIVE PURPOSES, THIS IS A CLOSE CONCEPT THAT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THE INDESIGN FOR THE ACTUAL ROUNDABOUT ITSELF.
THE PROJECT WAS PERMITTED BY THE COUNTY AND BIDS WERE SOLICITED IN LATE 2021, AFTER HAVING SIX FIRMS ATTEND THE MANDATORY PRE-BID MEETING, ONLY ONE SUBMITTED A BID ON JANUARY 20TH OF THIS YEAR, AND THAT FIRM WAS FG CONSTRUCTION AND THEIR BID WAS 1.16 MILLION.
AT THE APRIL 19TH MEETING OF THIS YEAR FOR THE CRA, THE BID WAS PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION AND TOWN STAFF WAS DIRECTED TO REBID THE PROJECT.
BASED ON THE DIRECTION OF THE CRA AND THE JUPITER RIVER PARK RESIDENT COMMENTS THAT ALSO TOOK PLACE AT THE APRIL 19TH CRA COMMISSION MEETING, TOWN STAFF WENT BACK AND REVIEWED THE TURNING MOVEMENTS WHICH COULD BE PERFORMED WITHIN THE THE ROUNDABOUT.
THESE WERE ALSO REVIEWED DURING THE ACTUAL PERMITTING PROCESS AND AS PART OF THE DESIGN.
BUT WE WENT BACK AND TOOK ANOTHER LOOK AT THE MODELING.
WE ALSO PROVIDED THAT INFORMATION TO THE RESIDENTS WHICH DID REQUEST THAT FROM THE JUPITER RIVER PARK NEIGHBORHOOD, AS WELL AS IT WAS PROVIDED TO THE COMMISSION VIA SOME FRIDAY UPDATES INFORMATION, SO THEY HAD THE ABILITY TO SEE THAT INFORMATION.
STAFF ALSO WENT BACK AND REVIEWED THE ACCESS THE MODULAR AND MANUFACTURED HOME DELIVERY PROCESS INTO THE JUPITER RIVER PARK NEIGHBORHOOD.
OUR VERY OWN TRAFFIC ENGINEER, HE SPENT A LARGE AMOUNT OF TIME CORRESPONDING WITH SOME OF THE DELIVERY COMPANIES TRYING TO UNDERSTAND AND BETTER UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS OF HOW THE MODULAR AND MANUFACTURED HOMES WOULD BE DELIVERED TO, I WOULD SAY, THE RESIDENT PROPERTY AT JUPITER RIVER PARK IN THE EVENT THAT THERE EVER WERE A REPLACEMENT NEEDED.
HE DID GO BACK AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT PROCESS WOULD TAKE PLACE.
AS WELL AS THE STAFF ALSO MET WITH THE JUPITER RIVER PARK RESIDENTS TO UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERNS AND GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO DISCUSS THEIR CONCERNS.
AT THE DIRECTION OF THE CRA COMMISSION, THE RABID OF THE PROJECT WAS ADVERTISED ON JUNE 27TH OF THIS YEAR, AND ON AUGUST 2.
THREE BIDS WERE RECEIVED, THE LOW BID WAS FROM AMERICAN DESIGN ENGINEERING CONSTRUCTION, AND THAT WAS FOR 1.07 MILLION, WHICH REPRESENTS ROUGHLY, IT'S REALLY 86,000, ALMOST 87,000 LESS FROM THE INITIAL BID WHICH WAS RECEIVED ON JANUARY 20TH OF THIS YEAR.
JUST GIVING YOU A SNAPSHOT OF THE OVERALL CRA BUDGET AT THE CURRENT MOMENT, THERE'S A UNENCUMBERED BALANCE OF 759,000 AND CHANGE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ROUNDABOUT PROJECT ITSELF.
THE CRA WOULD NEED TO FUND AN ADDITIONAL PORTION TO COVER THE DIFFERENCE FROM WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE PROJECT BUDGET ITSELF.
WHEN LOOKING AT THE MATERIALS TESTING BUDGET OR WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND AS WELL AS POST-DESIGN SERVICES IN CASE THERE WERE ANY RFIS THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE PROJECT, AS WELL AS JUST A BUDGET CONTINGENCY IN CASE THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE WE RUN INTO BEYOND WHAT'S IN THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT ITSELF, THE AMOUNT THAT WE WOULD BE REQUESTING IS ROUGHLY ALMOST 364,000, BUT IT'S BASICALLY 363,000 AND CHANGE.
YOU'LL NOTICE ALSO THE AMOUNT IS SLIGHTLY LESS THAN WHAT WAS PRESENTED AT THE LAST MEETING FOR WHAT THE CURRENT UNENCUMBERED BALANCE IS, THAT'S JUST BECAUSE WE HAD TO ADVERTISE THE PROJECT AND PAY THE BILL FOR THAT.
STAFF NOTES THAT THERE ARE SOME VARIOUS UNIT COST THAT WERE HIGH WHICH CAUSED AN OVERALL PROJECT COST TO GREATLY EXCEED THE PROJECT BUDGET BASED ON THE RABID PRICES AND IN ORDER TO RECONSIDER OTHER ALTERNATIVES, GIVEN THE JUPITER RIVER PARK, RESIDENTS FEEDBACK, TOWN STAFF WENT BACK AND REEVALUATE THE INTERSECTION.
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WE WERE THINKING ABOUT THE UPCOMING BEGINNING TO THE US 1 BRIDGE DETOUR, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO START IN MARCH OF 2023 TO BE EXACT, CURRENTLY SLATED AS MARCH 13 OF 2023 WOULD BE THE DAY THAT IT WOULD BEGIN.SO IT WOULD BE A MID-MARCH STARTS TO THAT.
ALSO, STAFF ALSO CONSIDERED THE FACT THAT IF THE ROUNDABOUT WERE TO MOVE FORWARD, THERE WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE MAINTENANCE OF TRAFFIC REQUIRED DURING THE ACTUAL ROUNDABOUT CONSTRUCTION THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION.
IF THE COMMISSION DECIDED THAT THE PRICES WERE STILL TOO HIGH, A THREE-WAY CONCEPT WAS CONSIDERED TO TRY TO PROVIDE AN ALTERNATIVE IN CASE YOU WANTED TO FIND AN INTERIM SOLUTION.
A THREE-WAY STOP CONTROL COULD DEFINITELY BE IMPLEMENTED AS AN OPTION IF DESIRED.
A THREE-WAY STOP CONTROL CONCEPT IS NOT CONSIDERED A LONG-TERM SOLUTION, IT WOULD BE SENSITIVE TO INCREASES IN TRAFFIC, AND IT WOULD ALSO NEED TO BE MONITORED CONTINUOUSLY FOR ITS FEASIBILITY OVERALL, THE LONG HAUL.
IF THE COMMISSION WERE INTERESTED IN THIS OPTION, PALM BEACH COUNTY HAS BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSED LAYOUT.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THOUGH, THAT THE TOWN OF JUPITER WOULDN'T NEED TO OBTAIN A PALM BEACH COUNTY RIGHT-OF-WAY PERMIT FROM THE COUNTY FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF A THREE-WAY STOP CONTROL.
THIS IS A GEOMETRIC VIEW AND OVERALL PLAN VIEW OF THE CONCEPT FOR THE THREE-WAY STOP CONTROL.
ESSENTIALLY, THIS LAYOUT WOULD REMOVE THE SPEED TABLE, WHICH IS NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION, AND WOULD ALSO REMOVE ANY CONNECTING SIDEWALK RAMPS WHICH CURRENTLY DIRECT PEDESTRIANS OVER THE TOP OF THAT SPEED TABLE.
IT ALSO TAKES THAT CROSS-WALK THAT IS AT THE SPEED TABLE ITSELF AND MOVES IT DOWN INTO THE INTERSECTION SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ANY ANY CARS THAT WOULD BE QUEUED BACK AND THEN POTENTIALLY PEDESTRIANS WALKING OUT FROM BEHIND VEHICLES AND CAUSING WHAT CAN BE A POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS SITUATION.
IT ADDS, OF COURSE, STOP SIGNS AT VARIOUS LOCATIONS.
THE LIGHT IN PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK SIGN THAT WOULD BE RECOMMENDED TO BE MOVED TO THE SOUTHEAST CORNER, OF THE INTERSECTION TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THE CROSSWALK AT THAT LOCATION WHERE ESSENTIALLY VEHICLES WOULD NOW BE CROSSING IN THE SAME MANNER WHICH THEY CURRENTLY DO OR TURNING WITHOUT THE NEED TO STOP AT A STOP SIGN.
BUT IT WOULD CALL ADDITIONAL ATTENTION TO PEDESTRIANS WALKING AT THAT LOCATION.
ALSO TO NOTE, IT WAS COMMENTED DURING THE LAST YEAR, A COMMISSION MEETING THAT IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A LARGE AND AWKWARD INTERSECTION, LOOKING AT THIS CONCEPT, WE'VE TAKEN THE STOP BAR AND PULLED IT FORWARD.
IN DOING SO THAT ALLOWED THAT HOT RIGHT TO CONTINUE, IT TOOK OUT AN ADDITIONAL STOP MOVEMENT FROM ONE OF THE ACTUAL VEHICLES THAT WOULD BE ENTERING THE INTERSECTION.
IT LINKS IT FOR ONE THING, A LITTLE SMALLER, AND MAKES IT A LITTLE LESS AWKWARD FOR SOME OF THE VEHICLES WHICH WOULD BE STOPPING AND TRYING TO YIELD TO EACH OTHER.
THIS IS JUST SHOWING SOME OF THE MODELING FOR THE VARIOUS SIZE TRUCKS THAT HAVE BEEN MODELED THROUGH THE INTERSECTION ITSELF.
IN PERFORMING A PRELIMINARY ESTIMATE OF THE PROJECT, ASSUMING IF IT WERE TO GO FORWARD WITH A A THREE-WAY STOP CONTROL, WE DON'T EXPECT THAT THE COST WOULD EXCEED 65,000 IF IT WERE DESIRED BY THE COMMISSION.
STAFF HAS ALSO LOOKED INTO ADDITIONAL ENHANCEMENTS TO IMPROVE THE OVERALL APPEARANCE OF THE INTERSECTION.
IT WILL ALSO MARK THE START OF THE INLET VILLAGE AREA.
THOSE ADDITIONAL ENHANCEMENTS WE DON'T EXPECT WOULD BE MORE THAN 75,000.
SOME OF THOSE ENHANCEMENTS WOULD BE UPGRADED, MEDIUM LANDSCAPING ALONG JUPITER BEACH ROAD, AS WELL AS LANDSCAPING ALONG THE NORTHEAST AND SOUTHEAST CORNERS, AS WELL AS REALIGNING THE WESTBOUND TRAFFIC TO A 90 DEGREE ANGLE AT THE INTERSECTION.
OF COURSE, ANY OF THESE ENHANCEMENTS WOULD ALSO BE SUBJECT TO PERMITTING ABILITY THROUGH PALM BEACH COUNTY.
WITH THAT, STAFF IS SEEKING DIRECTION ON WHETHER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH
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THE CONTRACT AWARD VIA A RESOLUTION AT THE TOWN COUNCIL MEETING TONIGHT, OR IMPLEMENT A THREE-WAY STOP CONTROL AS A LOWER-COST [INAUDIBLE] TRAFFIC OPERATIONS SOLUTION, WHICH OF COURSE WOULD NEED TO BE MONITORED FOR TRAFFIC VOLUMES, AS WELL AS ACCIDENT DATA AND PROPOSE ANY STRATEGIES FOR ANY FUTURE TRAFFIC CONDITIONS AS WARRANTED.I WOULD ALSO REQUIRE HOLDING THE ROUNDABOUT DESIGN, BUT IT CAN BE IMPLEMENTED IN THE FUTURE IF DESIRED.
WITH THAT, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE THOSE.
>> FOR OUR JOINING MY COLLEAGUES, I JUST REALLY, WHICH I THINK, [INAUDIBLE] GOING TO SAY, BUT WANT TO MAKE SURE FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, WE STAFF BID THE ROUNDABOUT AS WE HAD ASKED.
I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT WAS SAID AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT WE HAD HEARD THAT STAFF WAS GOING TO ATTEMPT TO GET AN EXTENSION ON THE BID PRICE, AND THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE, AND THAT MAY HAVE COME UP AFTER THE MEETING.
SO I PUSH TO MAKE SURE THIS GOT ON HERE BECAUSE IF WE DON'T ACT, IF THAT'S THE DESIRE OF THE COUNCIL, THEN THE BID WOULD HAVE EXPIRED.
WE HAVE THE CRA HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY TO EARMARK FUNDING, BUT WE DON'T ENTER INTO CONTRACTS.
WE HAVE TO ACT ON THE FUNDING, WE STILL HAVE TO THEN ACT ON A CONTRACT IF THE MAJORITY IS SO INCLINED.
UNLESS ANYBODY ON THE COUNCIL HAS A PRESSING QUESTION, IS IT OKAY TO ME TO GO TO THE PUBLIC FIRST? LET ME GO TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
>> FIRST WE HAVE GUY [INAUDIBLE] KELLY, THEN AFTER GUY WE HAVE RICHARD THOMPSON.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS GUY BALKLEY I LIVE AT UNIT 23 JUPITER RIVER PARK.
I'D JUST LIKE ASSURANCE THAT BECAUSE MY UNIT WAS BUILT IN 1974 IT'S A DOUBLE WIDE, IT'S TIME TO REPLACE IT THAT I CAN GET IT OUT.
IF I TAKE THE PLAN AND I SCALE IT FOR 60-FOOT LENGTH BY 14-FOOT WIDE HOME, AND I PUT A TRUCK TRACT IN FRONT OF IT AND 60 FOOT IS NOT THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED, I BELIEVE 80 FOOT IS ALLOWED ON THE ROADS, I CAN'T GET UP TO 10.
THAT'S MY FIRST CONCERN, I'D LIKE ASSURANCE THAT I COULD GET THAT IN.
I'D ALSO LIKE ASSURANCE I COULD GET MY EXISTING 60-FOOT TWO UNITS OUT AND AGAIN WHEN I SCALE IT, THERE'S NO WAY I CAN GET IT OUT.
MY SECOND CONCERN IS THAT MY EXISTING 18-FOOT CAR AND 29-FOOT BOAT TRAILER, NOT ABNORMAL, FULLY LICENSED, ARE ALSO CAN'T GET OUT SO I'M LANDLOCKED.
>> WE JUST TAKE COMMENTS TO THAT POINT.
>> THIS IS NEW FOR ME. THANK YOU.
>> NEXT WE HAVE RICHARD THOMPSON.
AFTER RICHARD, IT'S LARRY HAENSZEL.
>> WELL, I WAS GOING TO TRY AND MAKE SIX POINTS IN THREE MINUTES, BUT A LOT WAS COVERED.
THE BIG ISSUE THERE IS BETWEEN 04:00 O'CLOCK AND SIX O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON ON SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS AND IT'S ABSOLUTE GRIDLOCK.
IF YOU'RE TRYING TO COME OUT OF THE BEACH OR OUT OF DUBOIS PARK OR OUT OF WHERE I LIVE IN OCEAN TRAIL, IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO MAKE THE LEFT.
WHAT I DO AND WHAT A LOT OF MY NEIGHBORS DO IS WE'D MAKE A RIGHT ONTO DUBOIS ROAD.
WE CUT THROUGH THE PARKING LOT AT THE MINIATURE GOLF COURSE.
THERE'S A NICE SPEED BUMP THERE THAT SLOWS THE NORTHBOUND TRAFFIC SO WE CAN DART OUT AND MAKE THE LEFT TURN AND WE DO IT AND IT'S NOT A GOOD THING THAT WE DO, BUT WE ALL DO IT.
THE FOLKS IN JUPITER BEACH PARK HAVE A LEGITIMATE COMPLAINT, ESPECIALLY WITH THAT UTILITY POLE SITTING THERE.
I LOOKED AT THE MAP AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THEIR PROBLEM IS WITH THE ISLAND THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET AND NOT WITH THE ROTARY WHICH MADE ME THINK, DO WE EVEN NEED THE ISLANDS AND IT'S A TAXPAYER, WHY DON'T WE JUST PAINT THE ROADS, NOT PUT THE ISLANDS IN AND JUST PUT IN THE ROTARY AND I BET HE CAN GET HIS MOBILE HOME IN THERE, AT LEAST COMING UP FROM INDIAN TOWN ROAD.
THOSE ARE THE TWO MAIN POINTS THAT I THINK WERE COVERED ADEQUATELY.
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>> LARRY HAENSZEL, AFTER LARRY IT'S FRANK MURRAY.
>> GOOD EVENING MY NAME IS LARRY HAENSZEL OF AGILITY RIVER PARK U]UNIT 66.
I'M A REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER RETIRED.
FIRST OF ALL, I THANK THE ENGINEERS WHO MADE THESE DRAWINGS GIVEN THE PROCEDURES THAT HAD TO FALL IT WAS A VERY DIFFICULT JOB.
MY QUESTION IS, IS IT EVEN NECESSARY? ONE SOLUTION IS CUTTING THROUGH PARKWAY STREET, THAT MEANS ESPECIALLY IN AN EMERGENCY ANYBODY IN THE DUBOIS PARK CAN GET TO A1A BY GOING DOWN PARKWAY STREET.
I BELIEVE THE COUNTY AGREED TO DO THIS SOME TIME AGO.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS TAKE DOWN ONE LITTLE STICK IN THE GROUND WITH THREE MAILBOXES ON IT AND YOU CAN GO RIGHT THROUGH, THE MAN WHO SPOKE A MINUTE AGO, HE'S GOING THROUGH PRIVATE PROPERTY.
IF YOU GO DOWN PARKWAY STREET.
HE SAYS ONE WAY, EVERYBODY CUTS THROUGH GOES THROUGH THAT MEDICAL FACILITY.
IT'S ILLEGAL THAT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY.
BUT IT COULD BE PUBLIC PROPERTY AND A ONE TIME IT WAS OPEN, NOW THAT STREET PARKWAY STREET, ON ONE SIDE IS ALL COMMERCIAL NOT BUILDINGS ONE GREAT BIG BUILDING WITH COMMERCIAL BUSINESS CENTER.
ON THE OTHER SIDE IS A TOWN-OWNED PARKING LOT AND THE WHOLE LENGTH OF THE STREET AND I DON'T KNOW WHO'S COMPLAINING BUT THAT CAN BE PUT THROUGH AND NO COST TO US JUST THIS COUNTY'S PROBLEM.
NOW, THE OTHER SOLUTION IS TO PUT SPEED BUMPS.
GET AGAIN COUNTIES RESPONSIBILITY ON THE SOUTH PART OF A1A.
NOW YOU WERE NICE ENOUGH TO PUT IT ON THE NORTH PART OF A1A AND FROM MY DEVELOPMENT, THAT WAS A BIG ASSET.
WHEN YOU WIDEN THE STREET THERE, WE HAD A LOT OF TROUBLE GETTING OUT MAKING LEFT-HAND TURNS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY BUFFERED ZONE.
THE END OF ALL WE HAD TO TURN WAS WHERE A SIDEWALK WAS.
WE COULDN'T VIEW IT VERY EASILY AND WHEN THEY PUT THOSE SPEED BUMPS IN THERE IT MADE IT WONDERFUL.
IF YOU HAVE THE COUNTY PUT THE SAME SPEED BUMPS, SOUTH OF THAT INTERSECTION, EVERYBODY WILL BE HAPPY.
NOW, OF COURSE, THIS IS A SITUATION HAPPENS AS, MY PREDECESSOR SAID, AND ON WEEKENDS DURING THE SEASON AND YOU KNOW FOUR OR FIVE O'CLOCK THE OCEAN OPENS UP ABOVE US, ARRANGED LIKE CRAZY AND THEY ALL TAKE OFF, AND THAT IS A PROBLEM.
NOW, THERE'S ONLY SO MANY PARKING SPACES THERE, SO THERE'LL BE NO INCREASE IN TRAFFIC.
THERE WAS NORMAL CARSON GO THERE'S, ITS THE NUMBER OF CARS NOT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE. THANK YOU.
>> NEXT WE HAVE FRANK MURRAY THEN JOE ELDRIDGE.
>> GOOD EVENING. I'M FRANK MURRAY.
I'M IN JUPITER RIVER PARK NUMBER 91.
I'VE BEEN A FULL-TIME JUPITER RESIDENT FOR 34 YEARS AND A BIKE ON A1A SINCE I MOVED HERE AND THAT TIME A1A WAS TWO LANES AND MANY AREAS HAD JUST SAME SHOULDERS WHEN THE ROAD WAS REPAVED AND BIKE LANES ADDED.
I WAS A STATIC BIKE LANES FROM JUNO BEACH TO JUPITER, WOW, THAT WAS A MAJOR SAFETY IMPROVEMENT.
I HAVE OVER 118,000 MILES BIKING SINCE I'VE MOVED HERE, A GREAT MAJORITY HAVE BEEN ON A1A.
I WAS HIT BY A CAR ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO LOCALLY.
IF I HAD LEANED TO THE LEFT, I WOULD HAVE PROBABLY BEEN RUN OVER AND KILLED.
I BRING TO MY RIGHT BECAME A HOOD ORNAMENT AND SMASHED MY HEAD INTO THE DRIVERS WINDSHIELD MOMENTARILY UNCONSCIOUS AND SMASHING MY HELMET, LUCKILY, I WAS ABLE TO WALK AWAY.
THE DRIVER WAS GIVEN A TICKET.
THIS WAS ON A ROAD WITHOUT A BIKE LANE JUST OFF OF A1A SO I HAVE A KEEN INTEREST IN BIKE SAFETY.
IN PLACING A SECTION OF A1A WITH A ROUNDABOUT THAT IS NO PROVISION FOR BASE PAIRS IS A STEP BACK AND ROAD SAFETY FOR BIKERS.
NEW RESEARCH SAYS ROUNDABOUTS, NON-DISABLED CYCLISTS.
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I GAVE THE TOWN CLERK A COPY OF MY INFORMATION.IF WE REPLACE THE SECTION OF A1A WITHOUT A BIKE PATH, WE ARE JEOPARDIZING THE SAFETY OF BIKE RIDERS.
THE PROJECT SHOULD BE ABANDONED IF BIKE RIDERS SAFETY IS SACRIFICED.
WE ARE EXPERIENCING MORE CASUAL RIDERS, ESPECIALLY WITH ELECTRIC BIKES.
YOU CAN GO FASTER THAN SERIOUS RIDERS.
WE NEED TO IMPROVE SAFETY NOT CUT BACK.
MANY OF THE NEW CASUAL RIDERS DO NOT WEAR HELMETS AND ARE OFTEN WEARING EARBUDS.
WALKERS AND RUNNERS IN THE BIKE LANES ARE ALSO HAZARD.
THEY OFTEN RUN INTO RUNNING GROUPS IN THE BIKE LANE EVEN WHEN THERE IS A SIDEWALK, RARELY SINGLE UP AND TRIED TO SHARE THE BIKE LANE, EVEN WHEN ONCOMING MOTOR VEHICLES APPROACHING THE BIKER, AND THE BIKER IS FORCED TO MOVE INTO THE MOTOR VEHICLE LANE.
I DON'T WANT TO SHARE A COMMON LANE IN A ROUNDABOUT WAS ATTRACTED TRAIL AT THE SCHOOL BUS NOW THE WASTE MANAGEMENT TRUCKS OR EVEN A CAR.
THE REAR OF MY HOME LOOKS OUT TO THIS INTERSECTION.
I'M THE FOURTH HOUSE NORTH OF THAT SOUTH ENTRANCE LOOKS RIGHT DOWN AND LOOK HOW MANY TIMES IT'S RARE THAT I SEE ANY TRAFFIC PROBLEMS EXCEPT MAYBE ON A THUNDEROUS WEEKEND AFTERNOON WITH THE BEACH, IT CLEARS UP IN 10 MINUTES.
TO ME, I THINK ANY CHANGES REALLY, IS JUST A WASTE OF MONEY AND DECREASING SAFETY FOR BIKERS. THANK YOU.
>> JOE ELDRIDGE, THEN IT WILL BE EDWARD HOUSTON.
>> MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I'D LIKE TO ASK ALL OF MY FELLOW RESIDENTS AT JUPITER RIVER PARK I'M JENNIFER ALDRICH, LOT 88 JUPITER APARTMENT.
THEY HAVE PRETTY MUCH EXPRESSED ALL OF THEIR CONCERNS THAT WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR SEVERAL MEETINGS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS EXPRESSING THAT.
SO I'M NOT GOING TO BORE YOU WITH TELLING YOU THIS IS BASICALLY THE SAME THING THAT MY FELLOW RESIDENTS HAVE TOLD YOU.
WE DON'T THINK THIS IS NECESSARY.
THERE'S AN OLD SAYING, DON'T FIX IT IF IT'S NOT BROKEN.
THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS INTERSECTION.
THE STATISTICS DOES NOT SAY THAT IT'S DANGEROUS.
IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT TRAFFIC WHICH YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN TOLD, OPEN UP PARKWAY STREET, LET'S GET THAT MOVING.
BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE A NIGHTMARE FOR EVERYBODY.
YOU GOT A LOT OF BICYCLISTS AND THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO USE THE ROAD TOO.
THIS IS JUST ABOUT GOING TO SHUT THEM DOWN AS MR. MURRAY JUST TOLD YOU.
HE'S AN AVID BIKE RIDER, IT'S NOT GOOD FOR ANYBODY.
THE OTHER THING IS, LET'S PUT SOME MORE CALMING STRIPS IN.
WE NEED ONE ON BEACH ROAD OR TWO.
THAT SPEED LIMIT IS 30 MILE AN HOUR.
PEOPLE MAKE THAT TURN OFF OF A1A.
THERE'LL BE DOING 70 MILES AN HOUR, I GUARANTEE YOU BEFORE THEY GET TO THAT LITTLE BRIDGE DOWN THERE BEFORE OCEAN TRAIL.
IT'S VERY DANGEROUS, YOU GOT GOLF CARTS CROSSING THERE, YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE WALKING ACROSS.
WE NEED ONE SOUTH OF PIT STOP, LIKE MR. HAENSZEL JUST RECOMMENDED.
THESE THINGS HELP THOSE PEOPLE IT'S A RACE TRACK OUT THERE.
THE LAST MEETING, I ASKED COUNCIL TO PLEASE TALK WITH THE POLICE CHIEF.
WE'VE GOT A NEW STATE LAW ABOUT NOISE ORDINANCE.
WE HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THESE LOUD VEHICLES CONSTANTLY.
I HAVEN'T SEEN AN OFFICER SITTING OVER THERE WRITING A TICKET TO ANYBODY SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE AND ASK IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL HAVE ADDRESSED THIS, BUT IF YOU HAVEN'T, PLEASE DO IT BECAUSE THE NOISE IS CRAZY OVER THERE FROM LIKE SIX O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON UNTIL 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
I WISH THEY HAD SHUT THAT INLET PARK DOWN.
WE'VE ASKED THAT, THEY SAY THEY CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE PEOPLE FISH OR SO WHAT, PEOPLE FINISH EVERYWHERE? WHY DO WE ALL HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THE NEW SETS, THE DRUG DEALING AND IT'S A MESS OVER THERE.
BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S MY CONCERNS AND WE HOPE YOU PUT THIS ROUNDABOUT TO REST TONIGHT PLEASE, AND FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, A THREE-WAY STOP IS NOT NECESSARY.
IT'S GOING TO CAUSE MORE ISSUES TOO FOR PEOPLE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> AFTER IT'S GOING TO BE EDWARDS, AND THEN AFTER EDWARD IS GOING TO BE JOANNE FASANI.
>> GOOD EVENING. I'M A RESIDENT OF JUPITER RIVER PARK, LOT 95.
I WAS ASKED TO COME HERE THIS EVENING AND READ A LETTER IN REFERENCE TO PAUL AND ROSEMARY BUHL, THE RESIDENTS OF JUPITER RIVER PARK, LOT 41.
IT'S ADDRESSED TO THE TOWN OF JUPITER AND IT'S DATED JULY 30TH, 2022 AND IT READS, "DEAR TOWN OF JUPITER, MY HUSBAND PAUL AND I ARE IN OUR 80S LIVING IN JRP, JUPITER RIVER PARK FOR 30 YEARS.
WE STARTED AS SNOWBIRDS AND HAVE BEEN FULL-TIME FOR 20 YEARS.
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WE ARE BLESSED BEYOND MEASURE TO BE PART OF THIS COMMUNITY OF 133 MOBILE HOMES, 200 RESIDENTS HAVING JOINED HANDS WITH OTHERS TO MAKE IT THE JEWEL THAT IT IS.WE LOVE JUPITER AND DON'T FEEL THAT EVERY CHANGE THAT IS PRESENTED IS BENEFICIAL.
IN OUR OPINION, THE PROPOSAL FOR A TRAFFIC CIRCLE WOULD BE A DETRIMENT, BECOMING MORE THAN AN INCONVENIENCE, BUT A HAZARD TO OUR COMMUNITY OBSTRUCTING THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC.
WE ASK YOU TO PLEASE RECONSIDER THIS PLAN.
WE KNOW MAKING DECISIONS IS NOT EASY.
PLEASE CONSIDER OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OF GENERATIONAL SENIOR CITIZENS HAVING BEEN HERE FOR 50 YEARS.
WE ARE NOT AWARE OF ANOTHER UNIQUE COMMUNITY IN JUPITER.
WE THANK YOU IN ADVANCE AND ARE GRATEFUL TO CJ TOM AND MR. DELANEY FOR THEIR GENUINE LISTENING OF OUR CONCERNS REGARDING THIS VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE WE ARE CONFRONTED WITH.
AGAIN THANK YOU, PAUL AND ROSEMARY BUHL." THANK YOU.
>> GOOD EVENING. I'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED MY THOUGHTS AND I'M NOT GOING TO BELABOR THAT.
LET ME JUST HOLD UP FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT MAY HAVE NOT SEEN THIS OR REMEMBERED THIS.
THIS IS THE PLAN FOR TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT WHEN YOU ARE GOING FORWARD AND TAKING OVER A1A, IF YOU HAVEN'T, MAYBE RECALL THAT.
I ALSO STAND HERE AND IT'S A DEJA VU.
IT'LL BE NINE YEARS IN DECEMBER WHEN WE LOADED THE TABLES HERE AND OCEAN TRAIL WAS IN HERE AND WE STOPPED THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE 800-CAR GARAGE.
I CAN BE SYMPATHETIC TO WHAT I'M HEARING TONIGHT, BUT I'D LIKE TO SHARE WHAT I UNDERSTAND TO BE FACTUAL AND IF I'M NOT, THEN YOU'LL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
WHAT ARE THE CONCERNS? THE MAJOR CONCERN WAS WHEN WE WERE READY TO GO FORWARD WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE ROUNDABOUT WAS REGARDING GETTING THE LARGE NEW HOME TRAILERS INTO THE COMMUNITY, WHICH QUITE FRANKLY, I THINK IS A LOVELY COMMUNITY.
BUT THEY ALSO HAD TO BE IN THE SOUTH ENTRANCE AND THE SOUTH ENTRANCE OBVIOUSLY HAS A SMALLER OPENING THAN THE NORTH, I THINK BY ABOUT 25%.
WE'VE ACCOMMODATED THAT ACCORDING TO THE ENGINEER, GOT THE SPECIFICATIONS FROM THE DELIVERY COMPANY, MADE A MINOR CHANGE TO THE CURBING AND THE ROUNDABOUT AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AN OKAY GO.
AGAIN, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, BUT I ASKED THEM TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING FROM PEOPLE THAT LIVE OVER IN OCEAN TRAIL.
AND I DON'T IMPLY THAT I'M SPEAKING FOR OCEAN TRAIL, THIS PAST WINTER, THE BACKUP TRYING TO MAKE THAT LEFT TURN HAS BEEN THE LONGEST.
I PUT THAT IN THE COMMUNICATION TO YOU.
YOU HAVE A TOUGH CHOICE IN FRONT OF YOU. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING.
>> THANK YOU. BACK TO THE COMMISSION, ANY QUESTIONS, STAFF?
>> YES, I HAVE A FEW FOR THOMAS.
THOMAS, I WANT TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP BY THE PUBLIC TONIGHT BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT IN THE HISTORY OF THIS GOES BACK FURTHER THAN THIS YEAR BEING NEW TO COUNCIL, I WAS LOOKING AT THE HISTORY OF IT AND IT GOES BACK MANY YEARS.
I WAS LOOKING ALSO AT A FEBRUARY 12TH, 2020 CRA MEETING.
THAT PRESENTATION INVOLVES CJ AND HE TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS WITH ROUNDABOUTS, A ONE-LANE ROUNDABOUT, MULTIPLE LANE ROUNDABOUT, DIFFERENT INTERSECTIONS, AND SAFETY REALLY TO BICYCLES.
DO KNOW OR CAN YOU REFRESH OUR MEMORY ON THAT?
>> ACTUALLY LET CJ SPEAK TO THAT.
>> WONDERFUL. I DIDN'T SEE HIM.
I'M GRATEFUL. THANK YOU, CJ. WELCOME.
>> I HAVE THE PRESENTATION HERE BY THE WAY. WE'D HAVE POPULAR.
SO I'M QUOTING THE SINGULARLY WRONG ABOUT TALKING ABOUT BASICALLY, YOU CANNOT FIT INTO THAT TINY RIGHT OVER THERE AND ALSO THE TRAUMAS SIGNAL, WHICH IS TIMELESS AS MENTIONED, THAT THE BEST SANTONIAN I THINK THAT PRIVILEGE CLOSING HAS ALREADY DETERMINED THAT SIGNAL CAN BE WARRANTED, AND THEN I ALWAYS THOUGHT IS ONE OF THE OPTION 2 AND FINALLY, OF COURSE, NOT BUILD OPTIONS.
AND BASED ON THAT IN A DIFFICULT ALSO THE 2035, BE ABOUT TRAFFIC PROJECTIONS.
AGAIN, WITHOUT THE OPEN UP THE PARKWAY CONNECTIONS WAS DETERMINED AND DEMONSTRATED
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THAT THEY LEARN ABOUT WHAT BE THE MOST OPERATIONALLY EFFICIENT SOLUTIONS AND ALSO THE SUBTYPES.ALTHOUGH WE ALL HEARD THE DSM FOR THE BANKERS SAFETY.
AND THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO MOVE AHEAD WITH THE ROUNDABOUT SOLUTIONS.
>> SIR, JUST TO CLARIFY, THE ONE-LANE ROUNDABOUT IS ABOUT AS SAFE AS THE CURRENT INTERSECTION, IS THAT RIGHT?
>> SO THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER FROM THAT FEBRUARY 12TH MEETING AND REVIEWING THAT.
THAT WAS A CONCERN OF MINE EARLY ON AND I'M GLAD TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION AND IT'S HARD BECAUSE THESE THINGS GO OVER YEARS AND HERE WE ARE AT ANOTHER DECISION POINT AND WE HAVE TO BRING ALL OF THAT INFORMATION BACK TODAY AND HAVE A MORE COMPLETE PICTURE OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
I RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM A RESIDENT EARLIER TODAY AND I JUST WANT TO BRING THIS UP, BUT THE THREE-WAY STOP BEFORE WE STOP THE TRAFFIC COUNT, THAT WAS DONE IN 2019, IS THAT RIGHT? WE'RE WORKING FROM A TRAFFIC COUNT FROM A FEW YEARS AGO.
SINCE THAT TIME, I'M GOING TO QUOTE THE EMAIL, IF I HAVE IT.
SINCE THAT TIME TWO NEW RESTAURANTS, A BANQUET HALL A TOPLESS BAR, INLET WATER IS THE COMMUNITY OF 33 TOWNHOMES HAVE OPENED SINCE THAT COUNT.
ALSO THE TWO APPROVED BUILDING SITES AND THE YET TO BE SUBMITTED PLANS FOR ONE OF THE LARGEST UNDEVELOPED PROPERTIES, SUNNY SANDS IN THE VILLAGE.
THERE'S A LOT OF POTENTIAL GOING FORWARD FOR INCREASED TRAFFIC COUNTS BASED ON WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED, WHAT COULD BE IMPROVED IN THE FUTURE.
BUT WHAT'S ALSO BEEN DEVELOPED IN THESE PAST FEW YEARS SINCE 2019, IS THAT RIGHT?
>> OKAY. THAT MIGHT BE WHY RESIDENTS ARE EXPERIENCING OR HAVING A HARDER TIME MAKING THAT LEFT.
THEY SAID LAST YEAR WAS ONE OF THE HARDEST YEARS.
THAT COULD BE PART OF THE REASON WHY.
I'M UNFAMILIAR, BUT IN DEALING WITH PALM BEACH COUNTY, WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME FOR GETTING A RIGHT-OF-WAY PERMIT? HOW LONG?
I ALREADY TALK TO THE TRAFFIC DIVISION DIRECTOR REGARDING THAT.
HE SUGGESTS THAT BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING INCLUDING BECAUSE SUBWAY ROUNDABOUT WE FILED THEIR PERMISSION, THE APPLICATION, AND THEY CAN APPROVE IN THE VERY SPEEDY MANNERS.
>> THEN I'D ALSO LIKE TO ASK IF I COULD ASK THOMAS TO COME BACK UP.
WE DO HAVE THIS CONCERN AROUND IF WE WERE TO IMPLEMENT THE ROUNDABOUT SOLUTION, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT SOLUTION COULD COME INTO CONFLICT WITH THE BRIDGE, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> SO CORRECT. THOSE WOULD OVERLAP FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME, YES.
>> CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH THE TIMELINE?
>> ESSENTIALLY, LET'S SAY THAT IT GETS APPROVED TONIGHT.
YOU WOULD THEN STUFF WOULD TURN AROUND AND WE WOULD SEND THE CONTRACTS TO THE CONTRACTOR.
A LOT OF TIMES BETWEEN IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW FAST THE CONTRACTOR CAN GET THE BONDS.
THEY ARE GENERALLY REQUIRED FROM THE TIME THAT THEY GET THE LETTER AND RECEIVE THOSE FROM US, THEY HAVE 15 DAYS TO GET BACK TO US.
THEN AFTER THAT, IT'S JUST REALLY UNTIL WE GO THROUGH AND CHECK.
IT'S REALLY IN A COUPLE OF DAYS TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE ALL THEIR PAPERWORK IN AND ASSUMING THAT EVERYTHING IS GOOD, THEN WE GIVE IT TO TOWN CLERK'S OFFICE.
IT GETS RELAYED FOR THE TOWN ATTORNEY, TOWN CLERK, AS WELL AS THE MAYOR TO SIGN IT.
THAT'S NORMALLY A FEW ADDITIONAL DAYS.
THE REALLY LONG POLE IN THE TENT, WE CAN SET UP PRE-CANNED MEETINGS AND ALL THAT AT THIS POINT IS WHETHER OR NOT ALL THE MATERIALS ARE AVAILABLE FOR THE PROJECT AND ANY LONG LEAD TIME FOR ANY OF THE MATERIALS.
THE MAIN THING THAT WOULD LIKELY BE MORE DIFFICULT WOULD BE ANY SPECIALTIES SUCH AS CERTAIN THERMOPLASTIC OR STAMPED ASPHALT THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE DIFFICULT.
GETTING CONCRETE, SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF A LONG LEAD TIME.
TRYING TO LINE UP THE START OF THE PROJECT WHEN ALL OF
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THOSE MATERIALS ARE AVAILABLE IS REALLY THE MAIN THING WE'VE TRIED TO WORK OUT WITH A LOT OF OUR CONTRACTORS.ASSUMING WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ROUNDABOUT TONIGHT, I WOULD THINK THAT YOU WOULD LIKELY AT THE EARLIEST BE STARTING IN MAYBE MID-DECEMBER TIMEFRAME.
[NOISE] MAYBE THE EARLIEST AND THEN THEY HAVE A FIVE MONTH TIME, SO YOU WOULD HAVE AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT OF A LAG TIME THERE.
>> WHAT'S REQUIRED IN TERMS OF A MAINTENANCE PLAN FOR TRAFFIC MAINTENANCE, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT?
>> THE CONTRACTOR WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR SUBMITTING THAT TO THE TOWN, THE TOWN WOULD REVIEW AND MAKE SURE THAT IT ACTUALLY IS ACCEPTABLE.
NOT ONLY WOULD IT BE COMPLIANCE WITH FDOT STANDARDS, WHICH ARE GENERALLY WHAT WE FOLLOW IN THE TOWNS AS FAR FOR OUR GENERAL STANDARDS, BUT ALSO WITH THE GENERAL CONDITIONS AND SUPPLEMENTAL CONDITIONS THAT WE PUT IN THE BID ITSELF AND THE INVITATION OF BID DOCUMENT ITSELF.
WE DID REQUIRE THAT THE INTERSECTION BE ACCESSIBLE IN ALL LEGS BE ACCESSIBLE DURING THE COURSE OF CONSTRUCTION.
>> THE INTERSECTION WOULD BE ACCESSIBLE THE ENTIRE TIME?
>> OKAY. THEN LET'S SCOPE OF THE WORK FOR THE ROUTE 1 BRIDGE, DOES THAT INCLUDE THAT RIGHT TURN ONTO A1A OR IS THAT STILL OPEN AND ACCESSIBLE [OVERLAPPING] FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC?
>> I HAVE NOT THOROUGHLY REVIEWED THOSE, BUT IT STILL SHOULD BE OPEN AND ACCESSIBLE FOR ANYONE TO MAKE THAT TURN ONTO A1A, CORRECT.
WHEN YOU'RE GOING NORTH ON THAT ON [INAUDIBLE]
>> THIS ISN'T ONE BED, THIS IS THREE BEDS.
BECAUSE OF MARKET INFORMATION, THERE WAS SOME STICKER SHOCK WITH THE ONE BED, I THINK, BUT NOW WITH THREE WE HAVE MORE COMPLETE ACCURATE INFORMATION ON THIS?
>> THE TIMING OF IT NEVER REALLY SAT WELL WITH ME.
IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE TRAFFIC CONCERN AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH THAT.
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE ROUNDABOUT JUST DOESN'T REALLY WORK WITH TRYING TO GET THOSE TRAILERS IN THERE AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, AND YOU'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET PEOPLE OUT OF JUPITER BEACH PARK AND WHATNOT.
I THINK WE HAD A LETTER SUBMITTED TO US BY I BELIEVE THE DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION AT THE TIME ASKING FOR PARKWAY STREET TO BE OPEN FOR TRAFFIC ALLEVIATION.
I THINK TIMELINE WISE, WE PURSUE THAT FIRST AND THEN LOOK AT IF IT HELPS ALLEVIATE THE TRAFFIC, WE MIGHT NEED TO TAKE THAT ROUTE BEFORE WE TAKE ANY ACTION AT THIS INTERSECTION.
>> CAN I INTERJECT AND ASK ONE MORE QUESTION.
SORRY. WITH THE THREE-WAY STOP, YOU MENTIONED LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT IF THIS IS A TEMPORARY FIX, WOULD WE PULL THOSE OUT? I'M NOT FOLLOWING THE LOGIC THERE WITH LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS IF IT IS A TEMPORARY SOLUTION USING 2019 NUMBERS?
>> CORRECT. THERE WOULD BE SOME THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE IMPACTED THERE THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
YES, IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A TEMPORARY SOLUTION AND IT DIDN'T BECOME TEMPORARY.
ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE PUT INTO THE MEDIAN THAT WOULD BE TAKEN OUT IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD IF WE WERE TO GO WITH A ROUNDABOUT ITSELF.
THEN THERE WOULD BE SOME ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH LOCATIONS THAT WOULD ALSO BE IMPACTED, YES.
>> THEY'RE TEMPORARY LANDSCAPING IMPROVEMENTS?
>> THAT WOULD ALSO BE CORRECT, YES.
>> JUST TO CONFIRM, THIS WAS SAID BUT JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S ON THE RECORD, I HAPPEN TO HAVE THE CJ'S PRESENTATION OF FEBRUARY 12TH, 2020.
FOR YEARS, IT WAS ALWAYS IN IT PROVES OUT ON THIS DOCUMENT, IT'S THE WESTBOUND LEFT TURN LANE THAT WE'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO DEAL WITH.
NOBODY ELSE'S AVENUE WHO'S ON SERVICE LEVEL.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I NEVER GOT TO LOSE SIGHT OF THE FACT THAT I GET IT.
ANYBODY JUST GOING NORTH AND SOUTH, THEY DON'T HAVE A SET PERSPECTIVE OF THE WESTBOUND.
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH FOR MANY YEARS, SO THAT'S CORRECT, RIGHT?
>> YEAH. I'LL LET CJ SPEAK THAT AS WELL BECAUSE HE'S LOOKED AT THIS A LITTLE MORE IN DEPTH WHEN IT COMES TO THE ACTUAL OVERALL DELAY, BUT WOULDN'T MAKE THAT COMMON.
>> YES. PRIMARILY FOR THE WESTBOUND LEFT TURN, MAKING A LEFT OUT OF THE TUBULAR [INAUDIBLE]
>> AGAIN, FOR THE RECORD, IT IS POSSIBLE TO MY THINKING, SOMEBODY SAID ABOUT MOVING THINGS AROUND IN DOWNTOWN WEST PALM.
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YOU CAN ALWAYS FIND A WAY TO MOVE STUFF AROUND.STUFF REVIEWED AND IT'S COMFORTABLE THAT THE MOBILE HOMES CAN GO IN AND GO OUT, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S A VERY LIMITED TIME WHEN IT HAPPENS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE MAY NEED TO BE TRAFFIC CONTROL PROVIDED AT THAT MOMENT, WHICH IS STANDARD FOR THOSE VERY UNUSUAL, IS THAT THE CASE?
>> STILL REMAIN US IS FOR THE TRUCK TO TAKE ASSETS IN AND OUT OF THE RIVER PARK?
>> THANK YOU. I'M NOT INTERESTED IN KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD ANY FURTHER.
>> I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR CJ.
>> IN REGARDS TO THE MAYOR'S LAST QUESTION ABOUT BRINGING MOBILE UNITS IN AND OUT, IF IT'S RECONFIGURED WITH THE ROUNDABOUT, CAN THEY STILL PERFORM A DELIVERY AS THEY DID BEFORE, OR DO THEY HAVE TO STOP, JACK UP A BIT? IS THERE ADDED EXPENSE? I WAS CONCERNED WITH THAT WHEN I MET WITH THE RESIDENTS THROUGH REPORT.
>> I THINK THAT THE ULTIMATE SOLUTION FOR THAT IS CONTINUE FOR THE TRUCK TO UTILIZE THE SOUTH ENTRANCE FOR THE TRAIL TO MOVE IN AND OUT UTILIZING THE SOUTH ENTRANCE.
I GUESS THAT WAS A MAJOR CONCERN OF THE COMMUNITY.
WHETHER OR NOT THE SOUTH ENTRANCE CAN BE CONTINUED FOR MOVING THAT, AND WITH THE ROUNDABOUT SOLUTION, WE CAN CONSIDER CHANGING THE PROFILE OF THE RACE MEDIUM RUSHING IN UP THE [INAUDIBLE] APPROACH FROM THE D CURVE DOWNWARD TO THE SO-CALLED I CURVE, IS MUCH LOWER PROFILE.
THE CURRENT CAN DETER THE REGULAR PASSENGER CAR TRAFFIC.
IT'S LONG ENOUGH FOR THE PDB TRUCK TO MOUNT OVER WITHOUT CLOSING THE MERGE.
IT TURNS TO THE MOBILE HOME DELIVERIES.
THAT COULD BE THE POSSIBLE SOLUTION FOR THAT.
>>ANOTHER QUESTION IS, DID YOU SAY THAT THE ROUNDABOUT IS MORE EFFICIENT AND SAFER THAN THE THREE-WAY STOP, OR IS THERE JUST MORE EFFICIENT TRAFFIC FLOW-WISE?
>> IN TERMS OF COMPARISON OF THE ROUNDABOUT, THEY ALWAYS STOP CONTROL THE SITUATION, OR THE OUTCOMES WILL NOT BE SO CARRIER CUT WHEN YOU COMPARE US TO A COMPARISON BETWEEN THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND THE ROUNDABOUT.
IN SOME SITUATIONS SOME CONFIGURATION DEPENDS ON ALSO THE LOCATION, THE ROUNDABOUT IS SAFER, AND SOME LOCATION THE THREE-WAY STOP IS SAFER.
I SEE THIS IS A VARIANT OF THE AESTHETICS PUBLISHED IN THEIR RESEARCH REPORT.
IN TERMS OF INTERNAL SAFETY, I WOULD SAY THOSE OF THEIR SOLUTION, AS LONG AS IT'S IMPLEMENTED CORRECTLY, PROPERLY, IT WILL BE CONSIDERED SAFER.
>> WOULD BE AN IMPROVEMENT OVER WHAT'S THERE NOW?
>> SAFETY. WELL, I NEED TO MEET THE BASE ON THE CRASH HISTORY, THERE ARE ACTUALLY THE INTERSECTION PERFORM QUITE WELL IF THEY'RE NOT HAPPY WE PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE THE CONCERN ON SAFETY FOR THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION.
>> IN REGARDS TO A ROUNDABOUT IS THERE A BREAKING POINT WHERE IT GETS SO SATURATED THAT IT JUST COMPLETELY FAILS AS OPPOSED TO A FOUR-THREE-WAY STOP INTERSECTION? THE REASON I ASKED THAT I'D MENTIONED BEFORE BEING FROM UP NORTH, WE CALLED THEM RODERIES, THEY WERE USUALLY LARGER AND THEY'RE ON MAIN THOROUGHFARES.
DURING RUSH HOUR THESE THINGS WOULD GET CLOGGED UP FOR MILES AND IT WAS ABSOLUTE GRIDLOCK.
AS COUNSELORS MENTIONED THAT WE'RE WORKING ON AN OLD TRAFFIC COUNT FROM 19, WHICH IS AFTER COVID HERE.
I REALIZED LAST SEASON WAS BUSY BECAUSE EVERYBODY AND THEIR BROTHER CAME DOWN TO FLORIDA GET OUT OF DODGE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE BELOW ROTARY FAIL HERE.
I JUST HAD A LOT OF BAD EXPERIENCES WITH THEM OR ROUNDABOUT.
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>> BASED ON RECOLLECTIONS, THIS IS A PREDICTOR QUESTION.
THE BREAKING POINT THERE IS ABOUT WHEN ENTERING TRAVEL BARYONS INTO THIS ROTARY EXCEEDS THREE CELLS AND BE CALLED AN HOUR.
OF COURSE, THAT ALSO DEPENDS, AMONG THESE 3,000 TOTAL ENTERING VEHICLES, HOW MUCH PERCENTAGE SHOULD BE OUT THERE ON THE SIDE STREET VERSUS THE MAIN STREET? IF THIS 3,000-PER-HOUR CAR WAS CONCENTRATED ON THE MAIN STREET WHICH GOES NORTH AND SOUTH, THEN THE ROUNDABOUT CAN HOLD UP MUCH BETTER THAN IF YOU HAVE, LIKE AN EQUAL BALANCE OF THESE 3,000 VEHICLES.
THESE SHOULD BE DOWN THE NORTH-SOUTH VERSUS THE CLUSTER BECAUSE YOU HAVE MORE COMFORT POINTS POTENTIALLY EXCEEDS OF WAR THESE TWO MAJOR TYPE OF STREAM.
>> COULD SOMEBODY PUT THE RENDERING OF THE ROUNDABOUT BACKUP ON THE SCREEN? THIS IS SOMETHING I JUST NOTICED THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS.
I'M JUST WONDERING IF YOU GUYS TOOK THIS INTO CONSIDERATION SO THAT THE SOUTH ENTRANCE COMING OUT OF THE PARK, SO YOU PULL YOUR CAR UP TO A1A.
YOU LOOK LEFT NO ONE'S COMING.
MY THING IS NOT ONLY YOU GET TO BLOCK CARS COMING FROM THE NORTH, YOU ALSO HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT CARS WHIPPING AROUND THE ROTARY AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT.
YOU MIGHT LOOK LEFT, RIGHT, AND THEN GO AND THEN SOMETHING COMES OUT OF THE BLUE OUT OF NOWHERE THEY DIDN'T SEE IT COMING.
WAS THAT FACTORED INTO THE SAFETY? I JUST THINK IT'S ODD THAT THERE'S AN ENTRANCE JUST RIGHT OUTSIDE TO THE SOUTH OF THAT ROUNDABOUT COMING OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE SOUTH ENTRANCE OF THE JUPITER RIVER PARK, YOU PULL OUT AND THEN CARS COMING FROM THE NORTH THEY DON'T GO EAST, THEY DON'T GO NORTH.
THEY'RE TURNING AROUND AND MAKING A U-TURN IN THE ROTARY AND THE PERSON COMING OUT OF THE SOUTH ENTRANCE DOESN'T SEE THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT EXPECTING IT.
>> THE PERSON DROPS ALL THE CELLS IN THEIR DRIVEWAY.
THIS CONFIGURATION CAN ONLY MAKE A RIGHT TURN.
>> BUT IF HE PULLS OUT AND SOMEONE COMES OUT OF THIS, IT'S NOT A BLIND SIDE, BUT THEY DIDN'T REALIZE THEY'RE COMING.
I JUST WONDERING IF YOU GUYS IF THAT GETS FACTORED INTO THIS, IT'S JUST A QUESTION.
I JUST NOTICED IT. [NOISE] IS IT INCREASING OR IS IT DECREASING SAFETY? AS OPPOSED TO JUST THIS IS A NORMAL FOUR-WAY INTERSECTION.
>> I CAN ANSWER THIS UNLESS WE GET MORE LOOKING INTO IT.
>> MAY I ASK ANOTHER QUESTION? IF WE COULD, CAN WE PULL UP THE THREE-WAY STOP EXAMPLE? WITH THE ROUNDABOUT, I UNDERSTOOD THE SAFETY WITH THAT SOUTHERN ENTRANCE BECAUSE I DID UNDERSTAND THAT THAT WOULD BE A RIGHT TURN ONLY.
IF THEY WANTED TO ENTER THE ROUNDABOUT MORE EASILY WITHOUT HAVING TO MAKE THAT U-TURN, THEY COULD GO OUT THE NORTH ENTRANCE.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING OF JUPITER RIVER PARK.
>> CAN YOU JUST REPEAT THAT SO I'LL MAKE SURE THAT I'M FOLLOWING APPROPRIATELY?
>> SURE IF YOU WERE TO GO OUT THE NORTH ENTRANCE OF JUPITER RIVER PARK, TURN RIGHT AND ENTER THE ROUNDABOUT, IT'D BE IN A MORE DIRECT APPROACH, THAN THE U-TURN FROM THE SOUTHERN.
SAY YOU WOULD EXIT FROM THE SOUTHERN ENTRY-EXIT POINT, THEN YOU'D HAVE TO TURN RIGHT AND HAVE TO DO YOUR TURN IN THE ROUNDABOUT SITUATION.
THEN HERE, WITH THE THREE-WAY STOP, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT SOUTHERN EXIT COULD GO STRAIGHT ACROSS OR RIGHT OR LEFT, WHICH DOES STRIKE ME AS BEING MORE DANGEROUS, POTENTIALLY.
ESPECIALLY IF THEY STOP ALL THE WAY ACROSS THAT INTERSECTION, THEY START AGAIN.
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>> CORRECT. THAT DRIVER OR THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY CONFIGURED COULD MAKE THE LEFT, THE RIGHT, OR POTENTIALLY COULD GO ALL THE WAY ACROSS AND GO THROUGH AND GO STRAIGHT.
THE WAY IT IS CURRENTLY DRAWN.
RELATED TO ANY FINAL COMMENTS AND WHERE EACH ONE ARE CONSIDERING TO PROCEED.
>> I'M STILL STUCK ON, THERE'S TWO OPTIONS.
IF THEY'RE SIMILAR IN RESULTS AND ONE'S $1 MILLION CHEAPER.
I'M NOT CONVINCED I WANT TO SPEND THAT MONEY ON A ROUNDABOUT THAT TAKES FIVE MONTHS TO CONSTRUCT AND THEN OVERLAP WITH THE BRIDGE CONSTRUCTION.
>> JUST A QUESTION TO STAFF, IN YOUR REPORT, IS IT NOT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PROJECTION IS THAT WE RAN INTO A LEVEL OF SERVICE ISSUE POTENTIALLY WITH THE ALL-WAY STOPS?
>> EVENTUALLY IF THE TRAFFIC WERE TO INCREASE, IT WOULD EVENTUALLY BECOME WHERE IT WOULD BE A FAILING CONDITION.
WE HAVE THAT ANALYSIS AVAILABLE IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN SEEING THAT.
>> NO, I'VE SEEN IT. THAT'S WHY STAFF WAS SUGGESTING THAT THIS WAS AN INTERIM SOLUTION BECAUSE THIS TRAFFIC GOES UP.
THAT'S WHY I SAY IN MY OPINION, WE'D BE KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE THEN AS TRAFFIC GOES UP, WE THEN WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THIS.
>> THAT THE CAPACITY OF THE ROUNDABOUT IS GREATER THAN THE CAPACITY OF THE INTERIM SOLUTION, FORTUNATELY.
>> THAT WEAVES INTO MY QUESTION ABOUT WHICH FAILS FIRST, SO THAT THE INTERSECTION FAILS FIRST.
>> THE THREE-WAY STOP WOULD LIKELY FAIL FIRST AND CJ CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT-
>> WELL, WE OBVIOUSLY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A MAJORITY HERE.
WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS FOR MANY YEARS.
I THINK WE'VE SPENT THE TIME TO ANALYZE, DOUBLE-CHECK BECAUSE THAT QUESTION ON THE ROUNDABOUT AND ACCESS TO THE MOBILE HOMES IN AND OUT WAS ASKED AND ANSWERED SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
THEN IT CAME BACK AGAIN AND STAFF DID DUE DILIGENCE ON THAT.
WITH THAT, TO ME, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH DOING AN INTERIM AND KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD WHEN TRAFFIC'S EVEN WORSE TO DO WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE THE RIGHT SOLUTION A ROUNDABOUT SO I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE ROUNDABOUT AND THE BUDGET ADJUSTMENT FOR THE CRA.
>> WITH A NEW SET OF EYES ON THIS, I HAVE TO SAY MY BIG CONCERN IS THE VOLUME.
I THINK IT WAS AN EXCELLENT POINT MADE THAT THESE ARE 2019 NUMBERS.
WHILE THEY ARE PRE-PANDEMIC, THE PANDEMIC IMPACTED OUR AREA DIFFERENTLY, THAN AREAS.
THEY'RE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT CAME DOWN HERE AND THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF DEVELOPMENTS SINCE THEN WITH THE TWO NEW RESTAURANTS, BANQUET HALL, AND INLET RIVERS, THE THREE-THREE TOWN HOMES, WHICH I DON'T BELIEVE HAVE COME ONLINE YET.
I WAS VERY INTERESTED IN THE THREE-WAY STOP FOR A VERY LONG TIME, I HAVE TO SAY.
I THINK IN TERMS OF SAFETY, I AM WORRIED ABOUT THE ABILITY TO GO DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE SOUTHERN EXIT.
I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S SAFER.
I WAS ENCOURAGED BY THE FEBRUARY 12TH, 2020 CRA MEETING THAT I WAS DIRECTED TO [NOISE] WHERE THERE WAS MORE INFORMATION GIVEN IN THAT PRESENTATION ABOUT BICYCLE SAFETY AND THE DATA COLLECTED AND JUST THE THOUGHT THAT WENT INTO IT.
THIS, THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS NOW.
THERE AREN'T MANY GOOD SOLUTIONS.
THIS IS THE YEAR OF TOUGH CHOICES AND NOT VERY MANY GOOD SOLUTIONS, THESE ARE HARD CHOICES.
I HAD STICKER SHOCK HONESTLY IN THE BEGINNING.
I THINK THE ONE BIDDER LEAD US TO BELIEVE THAT WE COULD GET A BETTER DEAL.
WE BET IT OUT. THINGS ARE MORE COSTLY.
NOW, WE'RE SEEING THAT ACROSS EVERY CONTRACT, EVERYTHING THIS TOWN DOES IS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN IT WAS BEFORE AND INCLUDING THIS, AND IT'D BE NICE TO GET AHEAD OF THIS PROBLEM BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC WILL INCREASE, IT ALREADY HAS SINCE 2019.
WE'RE NOT EVEN SURE IF THE THREE-WAY STOP WOULD BE FULLY SUFFICIENT NOW, I MEAN, HOW LONG WOULD THAT REALLY LAST? I RECOGNIZE IT'S A HARD CHOICE.
THE TIMING OF IT IN PARTICULAR, BUT I'M CURRENTLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE ROUNDABOUT.
I'M LOOKING AT THE ROUNDABOUT AGAIN AND THE CONS OF LIMITING THE PEOPLE COMING OUT OF
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THE SOUTH ENTRANCE TO HAVE TO GO SOUTH ONLY OR FORCE THEM TO GO TO THE NORTH ENTRANCE OF THE COMMUNITY SO THAT THEY CAN GO TO THE NORTH.THAT STINKS AND I UNDERSTAND WE NEED TO FIX THE WESTBOUND TURNING LANE TRAFFIC SITUATION WITH ALL THOSE PEOPLE COMING OUT OF JUPITER BEACH PARK AND OCEAN TRAIL AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT LIKE I SAID IF WE CAN ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC CONGESTION THEREBY OPENING PARKWAY STREET AND DIRECTING SOME TRAFFIC THAT WAY, WHETHER THEY'RE GOING IN OR OUT OF DUBOIS PARK AND WE'RE DOWN TO JUPITER IF THEY WANT TO GO THAT WAY TO GO TO JUPITER BEACH ROAD.
I KNOW WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT SOME KIND OF SOLUTION, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW IF EITHER ONE OF THESE HITS THE MARK ON THAT.
>> I THINK WE'RE JUST GOING TO BE OVERRUN.
I MEAN, EVEN IF WE DO OPEN PARKWAY STREET, ANYONE TURNING LEFT HEADING SOUTHWARD WOULD JUST CONTRIBUTE TO THIS INTERSECTION AND IT DOESN'T INCLUDE ALL THE OTHER FACTORS NOT RELATED TO DUBOIS PARK.
IT'S CERTAINLY ONE OF THEM, BUT IT'S NOT THE ONLY ONE.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT VOLUME AND I DON'T SEE A BETTER SOLUTION THAN THE ROUNDABOUT.
>> I CAME HERE COMPLETELY ON THE FENCE AND I'VE GOT A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION AND I DO WHAT'S REALLY HITTING HOME IS THE GROWTH IN THE INLET VILLAGE AND JUST THE LEVEL OF SERVICE ON THIS ROW WHICH WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL.
I'LL BITE THE BULLET AND SAY I SUPPORT IT EVEN THOUGH IT'S VERY COSTLY.
BUT AT SOME POINT, YOU JUST HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. NOTHING IS EVER PERFECT.
>> MR. BAIRD, DO WE NEED A MOTION ALSO ON THIS?
>> ALL THE AGENDA ITEM SAYS THAT IT'S AN UPDATE.
I THINK THE ACTUAL ACTION ITEM IS ON THE COUNCIL AGENDA.
>> THANK YOU. UNDER REPORTS, TOWN ATTORNEY.
[COMMISSIONER’S COMMENTS]
>> JUST ONE QUICK ITEM. THIS WILL COME UP ON THE TOWN COUNCIL MEETING, BUT I HAD QUESTIONED UNDER THE HOLIDAY DECORATIONS THAT THE INLET VILLAGE DOLLAR SHARE IS GOING TO BE BY THE CRA.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS SUGGESTED WE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SHARE.
THAT'S THE QUESTION I ASKED AS OPPOSED TO IT COMING FROM THE TOWN OPERATING FUNDS.
I THINK HOPEFULLY, WE'D HAVE A CONSENSUS ON THAT.
IF THE INLET VILLAGE HOLIDAY LIGHTING IS DONE, IT WOULD BE PAID FOR BY THE CRA.
>> NO MORE COMMON. WE'LL ADJOURN THE MEETING AND WE'LL TAKE FIVE MINUTES BEFORE THE BEGINNING OF THE COUNCIL MEETING. THANK YOU.
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