>> GOOD EVENING, THE TIME IS NOW 6:30 PM AND I'M GOING TO CALL [Call to Order] [00:00:05] TO ORDER THE TOWN COUNCIL WORKSHOP OF THURSDAY, AUGUST 11TH. WITH THAT, CAN GET THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE. >> MAYOR KRESGE. >> HERE. >> VICE MAYOR DELANEY. >> HERE. >> COUNCIL MAY. >> HERE. >> COUNCIL SNIDER. >> HERE. >> COUNCIL ZENNSTROM. >> HERE. >> TOWN MANAGER KITZER. >> HERE. >> ACTING TOWN ATTORNEY CLERK. >> HERE. >> OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS ARE NONE, I GUESS, ARE NON-AGENDA ITEMS? >> NO, MAYOR. >> OKAY. SEEING NONE, FIRST ITEM IS TOWN ATTORNEY REPORT. [1. TOWN ATTORNEY REPORT] >> COUNCIL MEETING, I AM REQUESTING THE ATTORNEY-CLIENT SESSION PURSUANT TO SECTION 286.011 SUBSECTION EIGHT FOR STATUTES TO DISCUSS WITH THE TOWN COUNCIL THE CASE SPENDING IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT, SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA, WEST PALM BEACH DIVISION ENTITLED HARBOR SIDE PLACE, LLC VERSUS TOWN OF JUPITER, FLORIDA AND THE DUPER COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AGENCY. SEEKING ADVICE FROM TOWN COUNCIL REGARDING SOUTHERN NEGOTIATIONS AND LITIGATION EXPENDITURES. THE PRIVATE ATTORNEY CLIENT SESSION WILL ALSO BE ATTENDED BY COUNCIL RECORD LYMAN REYNOLDS AND TOWN MANAGER FRANK KITZER. GOT IT RIGHT THIS TIME FRANK, SORRY, ABOUT LAST TIME. THE MEETING WE WILL DO WE NOTICE FOR AUGUST 23RD, 2022. AGAIN, I THINK WE ALREADY DECIDED TO START AT SEVEN O'CLOCK, SO THANK YOU. >> OKAY. WE AGREE TO THAT? >> YES. >> READY? >> YES SIR. >> OKAY. WITH THAT, I WANT TO MOVE ON TO ITEM 2 ON THE AGENDA, [2. Discussion of Operating Budget and the Proposed Community Investment Program (CIP) Budget for Fiscal Year 2023 - 2027. [TAB 2]] DISCUSSION OF THE OPERATING BUDGET AND PROPOSED CIP PROGRAM. IF I MIGHT, I JUST WANTED TO JUST SAY A COUPLE OF WORDS AT THE BEGINNING HERE. AGAIN, BEING THE ONE WHO HAVEN'T FINISHED THE MOST, STAFF HAS DONE AN EXTRAORDINARY EFFORT. I'M GRATEFUL FOR BOTH IN PREPARING WHAT WE HAVE AND I KNOW ITS ENTIRE TEAM EFFORT ALL SUMMER LONG PROBABLY AND EVERY YEAR HAS GOTTEN BETTER. I APPRECIATE HOW THE INFORMATION IS. YOU WORKED VERY HARD TO GET IT TO US, SO WE CAN DIGEST IT. THEN LIKEWISE, FOR THE UTILITY MASTER PLAN, THAT SAID, WE HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS SO I WANTED TO FRAME NUMBER ONE THAT THE NEXT TIME WE MEET, WE'RE IN THE BUDGET MEETING. FOR THE PUBLIC STAFF KNOW THAT THE WAY I APPROACH IT IS THE ONLY TIME THEY LET YOU KNOW WHERE I MAY BE THINKING. BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN FOLLOW UP WITH STAFF BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING. NO ONE'S REALLY SURPRISED ABOUT ISSUES, THIS IS THE WAY THE PROCESS WORKS. I KNOW THAT THE OPERATING WORKSHOP, SOME MEMBERS MAY NOT HAVE YET BEEN COMFORTABLE TO GET RAISED ENOUGH, AND THERE'S TIMES I'M NOT EITHER, BUT RAISE IT NOW OR YOU RAISE IT IN THE BUDGET MEETING. TWO READINGS SO I JUST WANTED TO FRAME THAT. I APPRECIATE THE EFFORT AND I'M GOING TO TRY TO EMPHASIZE WHEN I HAVE COMMENTS THAT BUT NONETHELESS, I'M ELECTED, RENDER POLICY GUIDANCE AND SO I'M GOING TO DO SO. WITH THAT, I TURN OVER TO STAFF. >> MAYOR, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE YOUR RECOGNITION EVEN THOUGH I'M THE ONE UP HERE GIVING THE PRESENTATION, I'M GLAD THAT YOU RECOGNIZE STAFF. IT'S THE WHOLE TOWN EFFORT. THE DEPARTMENT HEADS DOWN TO JUST PEOPLE WORKING WITHIN THE DEPARTMENTS THAT PUT TOGETHER THESE DOCUMENTS FOR YOU. IT IS A TREMENDOUS EFFORT THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER AND EVERYONE IS INVOLVED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MEETING THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE TOWN COUNCIL EVERY YEAR. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I SAY THANK YOU FROM STAFF AND MYSELF. I KNOW MY STAFF AS WELL WE TRIED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE KEEPING AS MUCH INFORMATION OUT THERE FOR THE PUBLIC, ESPECIALLY THESE PRESENTATIONS WE PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO IT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PUTTING OUT AS MUCH PUBLIC INFORMATION FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC. THAT'S REALLY THE AUDIENCE THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO. OBVIOUSLY, WE'LL WANT TO GIVE YOU YOUR INFORMATION TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS BUT WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THE PUBLIC IS WATCHING ON TELEVISION AND ALSO ATTENDING THE MEETINGS AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE INFORMATION. IT'S THEIR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MAYOR. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL, THIS IS THE PRESENTATION OF THE FY23 COMMUNITY INVESTMENT PROGRAM. ALSO WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING THIS EVENING THE UPDATING OF THE OPERATING BUDGET SINCE THE LAST TIME THAT YOU'VE SEEN IT, WHICH WAS BACK IN JUNE. [00:05:02] THERE HAS BEEN SOME MOVEMENT IN SOME OF THE DOLLARS THAT I'LL TALK ABOUT. WE'LL ALSO DISCUSS THE CIP IN TOTAL, THE TOTAL COST AND THE FUNDING SUMMARIES, THIS FUNDING STRATEGY OF THE PLAN, ANY NEW PROJECTS OR INCREASES IN PROJECT OVER THE PREVIOUS YEAR. A LOT OF THOSE ARE BASED ON THE PRIORITIES OF THE COUNCIL. ALSO MAYBE SOME CHANGES IN STRATEGY TO IMPLEMENT THE PLAN. ALSO, WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE STRATEGIC PRIORITIES THAT THE COUNCIL IS SET THIS YEAR AND ALSO WHERE THOSE FUNDING ITEMS ARE WITHIN THE BUDGET. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE SURTAX FUNDING AND IT'S CASHFLOW. I KNOW EVERY YEAR WE TRY TO LOOK AT THAT, MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC IS AWARE OF THE SURTAX FUNDING AND THE PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ALLOCATED WITH THOSE FUNDS. THEN WE'LL DIVE INTO THE DIFFERENT FUNDS THEMSELVES, THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT, THE WATER FUND, THE STORMWATER FUND AS YOU'VE INDICATED. WE ADD THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN PRESENTATIONS A FEW WEEKS AGO. THOSE ARE THE ITEMS THAT ARE LISTED TO THOSE PLANS HAVE NOW DRIVEN FORWARD INTO THE FIVE-YEAR CIP. WITH THAT, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE UPGRADING OF THE GENERAL FUND OPERATING BUDGET. YOU CAN SEE OVERALL, WE'VE HAD A REDUCTION FROM JUNE OF $128,000. BUT ONE THING I WANT TO POINT OUT IS THAT WE DID HAVE AN INCREASE IN THE AD VALOREM. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT. WE HAVE THE TRIM HEARING IN JULY FROM A 10.89 PERCENT EARLY ESTIMATE TO 13.11 PERCENT INCREASE IN THE ASSESSED VALUES AND THE AD VALOREM. BUT STATE SHARED REVENUES HAVE DECREASED. IN FACT, THIS AFTERNOON BEFORE WALKING DOWN FOR THIS MEETING, I LOOKED ON THE STATE WEBSITE TO SEE IF THERE'S BEEN ANY UPDATES. THEY'RE STILL REVIEWING REVENUE ESTIMATES FOR NEXT YEAR, WHICH IS VERY ODD FOR THE STATE. USUALLY THEY HAVE MOUNT BY LATE JULY. WE'RE NOW IN THE ALMOST THE MIDDLE OF AUGUST, BUT I'M SHOWING DECREASES IN THE GAS TAXES, STATE SHARED REVENUES, SALES TAXES. EVEN THE SURTAX WAS NOT SHOWN ON THIS SLIDE, BUT WE'RE SEEING REDUCTIONS. AS THE STATE INDICATED, THERE HAS BEEN ERRORS THAT HAVE BEEN FOUND IN THEIR CALCULATIONS. IT DOESN'T JUST AFFECT JUPITER, BUT IT'S ALL OVER THE STATE. SOME OF THE LARGER JURISDICTIONS WILL BE RECEIVING MORE DOLLARS GOING FORWARD. OTHER JURISDICTIONS WILL BE SEEING A LITTLE LESS. THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IN THESE REDUCTIONS IN REVENUES FOR THE STATE SHARED. WE ALSO SEE A REDUCTION IN THE SOLID WASTE COLLECTION REVENUE OF JUST OVER $11,000. THAT WAS DUE BY THE ACTION OF COUNCIL. OUR ORIGINAL ESTIMATE WAS BASED ON $22 PER RESIDENTIAL HOUSEHOLD. THE COUNCIL'S ADOPTED THE $11.95 OF RESIDENTIAL HOUSEHOLD. YES, MAYOR. >> JUST ONE QUESTION, AND EVERYBODY FEEL FREE TO ASK AS WE GO. I KNOW YOU TOLD US, I THINK IN ONE-ON-ONE, I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM. THESE DECREASES IN REVENUES, WHICH STATE ESTIMATES WE HAVE TO USE THEIR ESTIMATES. THAT'S NOT REALLY RECESSIONARY BASE, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, IT'S THE CORRECTION OF CALCULATIONS. IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF IT. >> OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO CONFIRM. >> I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THERE IS AN ASSUMPTION BASED ON A SLOWDOWN OF SPENDING GOING FORWARD. BUT YES, THE MAJORITY OF IT IS DUE TO THE ERROR THAT THEY FOUND. >> THAT IS PROBABLY WHAT THEY'RE AGONIZING ABOUT, IS THAT HAPPENING. THE BIGGEST PART OF THIS CORRECTION WAS THE CALCULATION ERROR OF THAT. >> CORRECT. >> NOW, WE SETS THE THING. THAT'S WHY I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT. THANK YOU. >> [NOISE] ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE, WE'VE HAD SOME REDUCTIONS IN THE TOWN HALL FURNITURE AND FIXTURES OF $275,000 OVER THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATE. BUT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME INCREASES TO EXPENDITURES BASED ON THE STRATEGIC INITIATIVES OF THE COUNCIL. AS WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME [NOISE] SINCE THE LAST WORKSHOP, WE START WITH OTHER MEMBERS OF STAFF, MAKING SURE THAT WE'VE CAPTURED EVERYTHING THAT THE COUNCIL HAS INDICATED THAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE WITHIN THEIR STRATEGIC PLAN. FOR INSTANCE, THE OUTDOOR ATHLETIC FACILITIES STUDY $25,000, THE INDOOR RECREATION OR EMERGENCY FACILITIES STUDY FOR ANOTHER $25,000. THERE'S A SUSTAINABILITY PLAN TO WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH A COMMITTEE OF THE TOWN THAT THE COUNCIL HAS ASKED FOR OF $20,000. THERE'S ALSO $18,000 INCREASE FOR PD TRAINING THAT THEY'VE ASKED FOR JUJITSU. THIS IS ACTUALLY EXPLORATORY AT THIS POINT. I THINK IT WILL GO FOR SIX MONTHS, I BELIEVE. BUT $18,000 IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING TO BE ABLE TO FUND THAT. ALSO, WE'VE HAD AN INCREASE IN THE CONTINGENCY BUDGET. [00:10:04] AS YOU CAN SEE, THE OFFSET FOR THE GARBAGE COLLECTION OF THE $11,294. THEN THE REGIONAL COMMUNICATION BUDGET, USUALLY WILL GET AN INITIAL ESTIMATE FROM THE REGIONAL COMMUNICATIONS. THEN THEY'LL COME BACK AND THEY'LL FINE TUNE THEIR BUDGET AFTER THEY MEET WITH THE CHIEFS AND THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE EACH MUNICIPAL, AND THEN THEY'LL FIRM UP THEIR BUDGET. THEY'VE ACTUALLY HAD A REDUCTION OVER THEIR ORIGINAL ESTIMATE OF $69,000. THAT'S JUST IN A NUTSHELL WHAT'S HAPPENED WITH THE GENERAL FUND OPERATING JUST SO YOU HAVE AN IDEA THAT THERE HAS BEEN SOME CHANGES. AS WE GO FORWARD INTO THE FIRST READING, THERE MAY BE SOME ADDITIONAL SMALL OTHER CHANGES COMING YOUR WAY, BUT RIGHT NOW I SEE AS MINIMAL. WERE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ADDITIONAL ABOUT THAT SLIDE? OKAY. THE MILLAGE OF REDUCTION OPTIONS. AT THE TERM MEETING, THE COUNCIL HAD INDICATED THAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE SOME POSSIBLE OPTIONS IN RELATION TO REDUCTION OF THE MILLAGE. ONE THING I WANT TO POINT OUT ON THIS SLIDE IS THERE WAS A SCRIPT MAKE ERROR RELATING TO THE PERCENTAGES THAT YOU'LL SEE OVER ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT 80 PERCENT OPERATING AND 20 PERCENT CIP, THAT SHOULD REALLY BE READING 85, 15. I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. THAT DOES AFFECT THE DOLLAR VALUES YOU SEE THERE. THE TOTAL DOLLARS OF $962,000 IS CORRECT. IT'S JUST THE SPLIT IS NOT CALCULATED PROPERLY. IT'S 817,791 FOR THE OPERATING AND A REDUCTION OF 144,316 ON THE CIP PORTION. BUT OVERALL, THE COUNCIL HAD ASKED THAT WE DO A CALCULATION OF WHAT A THREE PERCENT REDUCTION IN THE MILLAGE WOULD LOOK LIKE. WE'VE DONE THAT CALCULATION AND IF YOU CAN SEE THE OVERALL REDUCTION WOULD BE $962,000, ALMOST A MILLION DOLLARS. THAT WOULD AFFECT THE OPERATING AND CIP BALANCES. THEN AT THE BOTTOM, JUST TO ILLUSTRATE, HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT THE HOMEOWNERS, WITH THIS REDUCTION, YOU CAN SEE THERE WILL BE A REDUCTION ANYWHERE FROM $38.17 ANNUALLY TO $45.97 ANNUALLY. THIS WOULD ALSO AS INDICATED IN THE CRA PRESENTATION, THIS WOULD ALSO AFFECT THE CRA. THERE WILL BE A REDUCTION OF JUST OVER $28,000 IN AD VALOREM TAXES WITHIN THE CRA. ANY QUESTIONS IN RELATION TO THAT SLIDE? >> JUST ONE THING TO ADD, MOSTLY FOR MY COLLEAGUES. WE HAVE OTHER THINGS TO DECIDE UPON THAT AFFECTS WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO. I'M JUST ON THE RECORD OF SAYING I CONTINUE TO SUPPORT SOME REDUCTION IN MILLAGE RATE UP TO THREE PERCENT. THIS IS PROBABLY THE LAST THING THAT COMES INTO OUR LANDING AND WE HAVE UP TO THE SECOND HEARING IF YOU THINK ABOUT THAT. I JUST WANTED TO SET EXPECTATIONS, BUT WE GOT TO BE TALKING ABOUT IT. IT'S LIKE EVERYBODY UP HERE BUT ME SAYS NO, THEN SAY IT NOW. BUT REALLY, I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND I MYSELF DON'T KNOW HOW IT ALL SHAKES OUT UNTIL WE GET EVERYTHING ELSE HERE. BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE LIMITED TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT. I JUST WANTED TO CONTINUE TO SAY, I'D LIKE TO GET SOME REDUCTION, BUT WE WILL HAVE TO WORK THAT OUT. BUT AGAIN, IF THE MAJORITY SAID THERE WILL BE NONE, THEN YOU OUGHT TO SPEAK UP. >> YES, BECAUSE AFTER THIS, WE GO INTO THE FIRST READING IN EARLY SEPTEMBER. I BELIEVE THE 7TH OF SEPTEMBER IS THE FIRST READING. >> YEAH. >> GOING FORWARD, THE NEXT ITEM IS THE SALARY INCREASES FOR EMPLOYEES. WE RECEIVED SOME NEWS IN RELATION TO INFLATION YESTERDAY. WE SAW IT WAS AT 9.1 PERCENT. WE'VE ACTUALLY SEEN, A REDUCTION IN INFLATION, WHICH IS A GOOD SIGN, BUT IT'S STILL VERY HIGH. WHAT WE'VE PUT IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL PREVIOUSLY WAS A PROPOSAL FOR AN INFLATIONARY SUBSIDY FOR ALL EMPLOYEES OUTSIDE OF THE UNION EMPLOYEES OF $1,400 IN ADDITION TO THEIR FOUR PERCENT SALARY INCREASES. BUT NOW WE'RE COMING BACK WITH A HIGHER AMOUNT OF AN ADDITIONAL $414,000 IMPACT TOWN-WIDE OF $2,800. AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, BECAUSE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME OUT OF THE INITIAL WORKSHOP WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS WAS, WELL, WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE INCREASE FOR AN EMPLOYEE? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO THE EMPLOYEES? ON THIS SLIDE HERE IS TO ILLUSTRATE THAT, FOR SAY, LOWER PAYING EMPLOYEES AT $35,000, THAT COULD BE AS MUCH AS A 12 PERCENT INCREASE IN THAT ONE YEAR TO HELP THEM THROUGH THAT TIME OF INFLATION. TO EMPLOYEES MAKING $100,000 A YEAR, IT'S ALMOST SEVEN PERCENT INCREASE ANNUALLY IN THEIR PAY. [00:15:01] JUST TO GIVE A SNAPSHOT, ANSWER THE QUESTION, HOW DOES IT INFECT THE INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEES? BUT RIGHT NOW, AS WE HAVE IT BEING PROPOSED, IT'S A FOUR PERCENT INCREASE WITH THE ADDITIONAL $2,800 INFLATIONARY SUBSIDY. THAT WOULD COST AN ADDITIONAL $414,000 ON TOP OF THE PROPOSAL THAT I JUST SHOWED YOU ON THE OPERATING BECAUSE THAT STILL HAS THE $1,400 IN THERE. WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THIS BE FUNDED OUT OF THE RESERVES SINCE IT IS A ONE-TIME EXPENSE. I MADE SURE TO SHOW YOU THE UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS, AT JUST OVER $21 MILLION. IF THE COUNCIL SO WISHES, WE COULD DO THAT. >> ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? >> I'M HOLDING MY COMMENTS UNTIL THE END OF THE PRESENTATION. TO SAY, I HAVE PLENTY ON THESE ITEMS, BUT I JUST WANT TO WAIT FOR THE FULL CONTEXT OF IT. >> ON THAT ONE, THAT WORKS. BUT I STILL WAS ADVOCATING FOR A SIX PERCENT SALARY ADJUSTMENT AGAIN, GOT TO SEE WHERE WE'LL LAND IN ON THAT. I'VE HEARD UNOFFICIALLY WHAT OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAVE DONE. THIS IS A TOUGH ONE, BUT NONETHELESS, INFLATION IS RUNNING AND WHATEVER IT CAME IN AT YESTERDAY, I FORGOT, 8.5 PERCENT OR WHATEVER, THAT MEANS IT'S AN 8.5 PERCENT FROM ONE YEAR AGO. >> IT'S STILL A LOT. >> IT'S STILL A LOT. WE ALL PRAY, BE HAPPY IF IT FLATTENS OUT. BUT THAT DOESN'T CHANGE INCREASE AT LAST 12 MONTHS. ANYWAY, THAT'S WHY I'M LEANING TOWARDS STILL A SIX PERCENT NUMBER. I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT. BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING, YOU ALL CAN WEIGH IN AND STAFF SEPARATELY, AND THEN WE'LL BE TALKING THAT IN THE BUDGET HEARING. BUT I KNOW WE MAY ALSO TALK ABOUT IT AT THE END OF THE MEETING. >> I'D WANT TO SEE WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE WITH THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO SIX PERCENT BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY NUMBERS LIKE THAT. >> THAT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL $351,000 ON TOP OF THE 414 I JUST DISCUSSED. THAT WOULD BE ROLLING DOLLARS MEANING THAT YOU'RE ADDING IT TO THE PERSON'S SALARY, SO IT'D BE COMPOUNDING GOING THROUGH INTO THE FUTURE. BUT FOR THE INITIAL YEAR, IT'D BE $351,000 IF YOU WANTED TO DO A SIX PERCENT INCREASE. IF YOU WANTED TO DO A FIVE PERCENT INCREASE, THAT'S OVER $175,000 THAT WOULD BE ADDED INTO THAT TOTAL. THEN IF THE COUNCIL SO WISHED TO GO AHEAD AND DO THE $2,800 ON TOP OF THAT OR THE $1,400, EITHER WAY, IT'S $414,000 WHEN YOU SPLIT IT BETWEEN THE TWO. >> SURE. >> I DON'T LIKE PART WITH THE ONE-TIME PAYMENT THAT COMES OUT OF RESERVES BECAUSE THE ONE-TIME CHARGE, THE SIX PERCENT JUST COMES OUT OF THE OPERATING [OVERLAPPING] >> THAT IS CORRECT. THE INITIAL ONE-YEAR IMPACT IS THE 175 AND THE 351. >> I LOVE THE CONCEPT THAT WAS STAFF PROPOSED OF A SUBSIDY. BUT IF INFLATION DOESN'T COME UNDER CONTROL, THEN EFFECTIVELY WE'LL KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD, AND THAT'S WHY I'M JUST GIVING MY PERSPECTIVE OF SIX PERCENT. I KEEP THINKING WE'RE KEEPING REASONABLY CLOSE, BUT WHO KNOWS, I'M NOT A FINANCIAL PERSON. >> I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE 2,800 PER EMPLOYEE. IT'S NOT WEIGHTED ON YOUR SALARY WHICH IS VALUE TO THE TOWN OF WHAT EVERYBODY GETS. THAT $2,800 IS A ONE-TIME BONUS. >> IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A SUBSIDY INDEFINITELY. I KNOW WE'VE TALKED TO SOME OF THE EMPLOYEES IN THE EMPLOYEE GROUPS. THEY SEEM TO APPRECIATE IT. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS ON THE COUNCIL, WHATEVER THEY WISH TO DO. IF YOU WANT TO ADD THE 175 BASED ON FIVE PERCENT OR 351 BASED ON THE SIX PERCENT, WE CAN DO THAT. THEN IF YOU WANT TO LOWER THE SUBSIDY OR KEEP IT THE SAME, WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE TO DO. >> I THINK IT'S JUST GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER THE STRUCTURE OF THIS GOING FORWARD BECAUSE IF WE WERE TO REDUCE THE MILLAGE, THAT'S A RECURRING EXPENSE TO US. IF WE WERE TO INCREASE SALARY BY A PERCENTAGE, THAT'S A RECURRING COST. I WOULDN'T BE SO WORRIED ABOUT THIS YEAR, IT'S AGAIN, LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE AND HOW THOSE THINGS COMPOUND. I'LL SAVE MY COMMENTS FOR THE END, BUT THE STRUCTURING OF IT WILL MATTER. [00:20:01] I DO TEND TO SUPPORT A PERCENTAGE OVER A SUBSIDY, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN AFFORD SIX PERCENT. OUR MILLAGE RATE IS ONE OF THE LOWEST, I SAW IN THE WEEKLY REPORT. AMONG MUNICIPALITIES, JUPITER'S PROPOSED MILLAGE IS THE SECOND LOWEST IN THE COUNTY. THAT CONTEXT IS IMPORTANT. WITH FIRE EVEN, IT'S STILL VERY LOW. WITH FIRE, WE'RE AT 4.3346. IF YOU LOOK AT PALM BEACH GARDENS OR DEL REY, THEY'VE GOT 5.3, 6.5. I THINK WE HAVE IN OUR TOWN CULTURE, WE RUN LEAN. WE'VE HAD OUR MILLAGE RATE VERY LOW COMPARED TO OTHERS, SO THERE'S LESS ROOM FOR US TO MANEUVER POTENTIALLY. BUT THAT SAID, 2,800 IS A LOT, AND IF WE COULD MOVE SOME OF THAT INTO A PERCENTAGE AND PERHAPS REDUCE THE SUBSIDY THAT I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF INFLATION IS GOING TO CALM DOWN. THAT'S WHAT'S SO HARD ABOUT THIS, IS THE STRUCTURING OF IT. I THINK WE ALL WANT TO GIVE STAFF TO SUPPORT OUR STAFF THROUGH THIS BECAUSE UNLESS YOU'RE GETTING AN 8.5 PERCENT PAY RAISE, YOU'RE GETTING A PAY CUT, REAL WAGES OR DOWN. WE JUST HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE STRUCTURE AND THE BUDGET LONG-TERM THINKING. >> WELL, THAT'S WHY I WAS LOOKING AT IT BECAUSE THE SUBSIDY COMES OUT OF RESERVES, SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT CONCERNS OF ALL THE COSTS TO THE TOWN, INCREASING THIS WAY YOU CAN TAKE CARE OF EMPLOYEES WITHOUT HAVING TO SQUEEZE ANOTHER AREA UNNECESSARILY. BUT I MEAN, TO ME, IT'S ALL A SERIES OF TRADE-OFFS NOW, SO NEED TO SEE WHERE WE ARE AT THE END, TO SEE WHAT THE WHOLE PICTURE LOOKS LIKE. I MEAN, I THINK CLEARLY IT'S A PRIORITY TO DO SOMETHING FOR THE EMPLOYEES THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. TO ME A QUESTION OF WHAT IS IT AND HOW WE DO IT, IT DEPENDS TO ME ON WHAT ELSE WE ARE LOOKING AT DOING AT THE SAME TIME. >> QUITE FRANKLY, THE MOST DIFFICULT THING WE DO IS ACCOUNTS IN THE CUPBOARD DOOR LANDING WHEN YOU'RE BALANCING A BUNCH OF STUFF. BUT ONCE IN YOUR SECOND READING, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I DO WANT TO SAY THOUGH, WHEN YOU BENCHMARK, BECAUSE MANY YEARS AGO I SPENT A LOT OF TIME BENCHMARKING SO I CAN UNDERSTAND, AND PALM BEACH GARDENS DOESN'T HAVE ANY STORMWATER UTILITY FEE. IT'S IN THE AVALON AND THEY ALSO DON'T HAVE UTILITY TAX. THERE'S ALSO A BIG DIFFERENCE IN UTILITY TAX BETWEEN GOVERNMENTS. I THINK OURS IS SIX PERCENT, IS IT? >> CORRECT? >> I THINK THE COUNTY IS 10, SO I THINK THE GARDENS HAD NONE. THOSE THINGS WERE SET UP 20, 30 YEARS AGO BEFORE I WAS HERE, BUT NO ONE KNOWS THOSE. BUT WHEN WE'RE COMPARING THAT, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M SAYING THAT, BUT ANY EVENT, THANK YOU. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE REAL QUICK TO THESE PERCENTAGES ARE JUST FOR TOWN STAFF, RIGHT? >> I'M SORRY. >> THESE PERCENTAGES ARE JUST FOR TOWN STAFF, CORRECT? LIKE THE PERCENT INCREASE AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE COUNCIL IS NOT INCLUDED ON THAT. >> NO. THE COUNCIL IS NOT INCLUDED IN THAT. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY BECAUSE IF YOU ARE GOING TO THROW SOMETHING AT SL IS GOING TO THROW IT RIGHT BACK, [LAUGHTER] GIVE IT TO THE TOWN STAFF BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY JUST [OVERLAPPING]. >> NOT $2,800 FOR YOU. >> I DON'T WANT IT. >> MOVING ON TO THE WASH [NOISE] BOND. THERE HAS BEEN SOME CHANGES THERE. AS YOU'RE AWARE, THE CHEMICAL BIDS THAT WERE RECEIVED, THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL COSTS. THERE ARE $371,000. THERE WAS A REDUCTION IN RETAINED EARNINGS REQUIRED TO FUND THE [NOISE] WATER FUND OF $421,000, AND ALSO AS THE COUNCIL DIRECTED AT THE LAST WORKSHOP OR THE ROUNDTABLE, I'M SORRY. THERE'S BEEN AN INCREASE IN THE RATE INDEXING FROM 4.5 PERCENT TO 7.5 PERCENT, WHICH INCREASED THE CHARGES FOR SERVICES BY $792,000. THERE'S ALSO SOME ADDITIONAL COSTS THAT WERE PLACED INTO THE WATER FUND RELATING TO THE NEW TOWN HALL. THIS ALSO AFFECTED THE BUILDING FUND. WE'RE INSTALLING SOME IT FEATURES, SOME CABLING, BUT ALSO A NEW PHONE SYSTEM CAME IN AT ABOUT $200,000. IT'LL BE A VAST IMPROVEMENT OVER WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE FOR OUR PHONE SYSTEM, WHICH WILL PRODUCE REPORTING AND A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT YOU WOULD THINK WOULD BE COMMONPLACE NOWADAYS. BUT WE HAVE SOME LIMITATIONS IN OUR CURRENT PHONE SYSTEM GOING TO THE NEW TOWN HALL. THIS IS GOING TO BE LIKE STEPPING INTO THE FUTURE, SO $200,000 THAT CAN BE SHARED WITH THE WATER FUND, THE BUILDING FUND, AND ALSO THE GENERAL FUND IS PAYING FOR [00:25:01] A LOT OF THE TECHNOLOGY BACKBONE TO SUPPORT THAT PHONE SYSTEM. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE COUNCIL WAS AWARE OF THAT. FOR THE OVERALL PLAN, QUICK HOUSEKEEPING RELATING TO THE PLAN. ONE THING I WANTED TO MENTION IS ANOTHER SCRIVENING ERROR. IF YOU PERUSE THE ACTUAL CIP SHEETS, AS I KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL DO. THEY WILL ACTUALLY READ THE WHOLE PLAN AND READ ALL THE NARRATIVES. THERE IS A CIP SHEET FOR THE PD RENEWAL AND REPLACEMENT FOR THE CARS. THERE WAS IN THE ORIGINAL OR WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKETS, SO WE'RE GOING TO BE REPLACING 15 PATROL VEHICLES. THE ACTUAL NUMBER IS 13 PATROL VEHICLES OR EXPLORERS AND TWO FORD F150. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY HEARD THAT. GETTING BACK TO THE PRESENTATION FOR THE OVERALL SUMMARY OF THE PLAN OVER THE FIVE-YEAR WINDOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST OVER $108 MILLION IN COMMUNITY INVESTMENT, PROGRAM FUNDING, JUST OVER $45 MILLION FOR THE FY 23 YEAR. ONE THING I WANT TO POINT OUT TOO, BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS. THE CIP, WHEN YOU ALL ADOPT THE ORDINANCE FOR THE CIP, THAT'S ACTUALLY AMENDING THE TOWN'S COMP PLAN. THAT'S WHY I'LL MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE TWO SEPARATE DOCUMENTS HERE. YOU'RE APPROVING THE RESOLUTION THAT'S GOING TO APPROVE THE OPERATING BUDGET, AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS OTHER DOCUMENT THAT YOU'RE APPROVING, WHICH IS AN ORDINANCE WHICH YOU ADOPT THE CIP. WHEN YOU ADOPT THE CIP ORDINANCE, YOU'RE AMENDING THE COMP PLAN. I SEND IT OVER TO THE P&Z PEOPLE. THEY MAKE SURE THAT IT GETS AMENDED INCENTIVE THE STATE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD THAT. JUMPING INTO THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT PORTION OF THE CIP, THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT PORTION IS $9.3 MILLION. THERE'S DIFFERENT FUNDING STRUCTURES THAT HELP FUND THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT PORTION, YOU HAVE AD VALOREM TAXES. YOU HAVE SOME LOAN PAYMENTS THAT ARE COMING IN FROM PREVIOUS PROJECTS THAT WERE FUNDED THROUGH AD VALOREM. YOU HAVE SOME CRA LOAN REPAYMENTS THAT ARE COMING IN, INTEREST INCOME. ALSO, YOU HAVE A TRANSFER FOR THE NEW TOWN HALL COMING OVER FROM THE GENERAL FUND OF $850,000, THEN YOU HAVE SOME OTHER REVENUES THAT ARE RESTRICTED IN NATURE. THEY CAN ONLY BE USED IN VERY SPECIFIC WAYS, LIKE THE IMPACT FEES, WATER FUND, AND BUILDING FUND TRANSFERS. VERY SPECIFIC ON WHAT THEY CAN BE USED FOR. ESCROW DEPOSIT, GRANT FUNDING, AND THEN ULTIMATELY THE SURTAX FUNDS. THERE ARE ALSO RESTRICTED IN NATURE. BUT YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THE GENERAL FUND PORTION, WE HAVE ENGINEERING PARKS, GENERAL GOVERNMENT, NEIGHBORHOODS AND PLANNING AND ZONING FOR A TOTAL OF $9.8 MILLION. ALSO, TO SHOW YOU THE NEW PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING INTO THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT CIP. YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF THE CIP AND YOU THINK, MY GOSH, WE'VE ONLY GOT FOUR NEW PROJECTS. WELL, THAT'S JUST IN THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT PORTION. A LOT OF THESE ARE LEGACY PROJECTS THAT ARE ROLLING FORWARD. THERE IS CHANGES IN SCOPE, CHANGES IN PRIORITY OF THESE LEGACY PROJECTS. THERE'S BOUND TO BE INCREASES DUE TO MAINLY INFLATIONARY COSTS OR CHANGES IN PRIORITY. I'LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE IN THIS SLIDE. YOU'VE GOT FOUR NEW PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING IN. SOME OF THEM RELATING TO THE STRATEGIC INITIATIVES OF THE COUNCIL. YOU HAVE THE POLICE MEMORIAL, THAT'S $200,000. YOU ALSO HAVE THE RIVERSIDE DRIVE PEDESTRIAN SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS, SUCH AS STRATEGIC INITIATIVE OF THE COUNCIL, $1.2 MILLION SAWFISH BAY PARK SEAWALL REPAIR. YOU ALSO HAVE THE TONY PENNA DRIVE AND BUSH ROAD INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS. THAT IS JUST OVER $715,000 AND THAT TOTAL IS OVER $2 MILLION IN FUNDING FOR NEW PROJECTS. ONE THING I WANT TO POINT OUT TO THE COUNCIL BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ROGER DEAN STADIUM IMPROVEMENTS. THERE ARE NO DOLLARS IN THE CIP RELATING TO THE ROGER DEAN STADIUM IMPROVEMENTS. I KNOW THAT THAT PROJECT IS STILL BEING VETTED AND DISCUSS WITH THE COUNTY. BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE PROGRAM NO DOLLARS INTO THE CIP AND COULDN'T COME BACK FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION LATER ON. IN RELATION TO COMPARING THE TWO PLANS, THE FY22 PLAN AND FY23 PLAN, TO TALK ABOUT INCREASES OR DECREASES IN FUNDING. [NOISE] THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT HAVE SEEN INCREASES IN FUNDING. A LOT OF THEM RELATING TO WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES AND ALSO INFLATION. [00:30:05] ONE OF THEM IS THE POLICE VEHICLE REPLACEMENT PROGRAM. AS EVERYONE IS AWARE, WITH VEHICLE COST, THEY'VE ALL GONE UP INCLUDING POLICE VEHICLES. THERE'S AN INCREASE OF $1.2 MILLION OVER THE FIVE-YEAR WINDOW FOR POLICE VEHICLES. ALSO, THE POLICE RADIO PROGRAM, WE'RE SEEING A $2.3 MILLION INCREASE. IF YOU'VE LOOKED AT THE PREVIOUS YEAR'S CIP, IT WAS A MILLION DOLLARS OVER A 10-YEAR PERIOD THAT WE WERE PUTTING AWAY MONEY, A $100,000 A YEAR, WE WE'RE RESERVING FOR OUR CONSORTIUM RADIO REPLACEMENT PROGRAM. SINCE THAT TIME, THERE'S BEEN ISSUES WITH CHIP MANUFACTURING AND THE STATE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THE CHIEF WAS KIND ENOUGH TO BRING ME TO ONE OF THE CONSORTIUM MEETINGS BECAUSE I COULDN'T BELIEVE THAT THE INCREASE IN COST LISTENING TO THEM. IT'S DEFINITELY SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUE RELATED. THE STATES [NOISE] THEMSELVES HAS RECOGNIZED THAT THIS IS AN EMERGENCY ISSUE. THEY SAY THEMSELVES HAVE ISSUED A CONTRACT WITH HARRIS CORPORATION UP IN MELBOURNE TO MANUFACTURE THESE RADIOS. THE CONSORTIUM IS ALSO LOOKING TO HARRIS AS WELL TO BUILD THESE RADIOS. WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING AFTER GRAND. NOW, ONE THING YOU WILL SEE IN THE CASHFLOW OF THE CIP IS WE'VE ACTUALLY SHOW THIS IS BEING FUNDED THROUGH GENERAL AD VALOREM DOLLARS, BUT WE WILL BE PURSUING A GRANT JUST TO LET THE COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC NOW, WE HOPE TO BE ABLE TO OFFSET THAT COST OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS. ANOTHER THING IS THE SOUTHERN EXTENSION OF IRELAND WAY. THIS PROJECT IS ACTUALLY BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR AWHILE. THERE'S $2.7 MILLION SITTING IN THE SURTAX CASHFLOW. WE'RE JUST NOW RECOGNIZING THAT INTO THE FIVE-YEAR CIP DOCUMENT. THIS IS A STRATEGIC INITIATIVE OF THE COUNCIL AS WELL. THE NEW TOWN HALL BUILDING, THE $1.3 MILLION, THERE WAS AN INCREASE DUE TO THE ADDITIONAL FURNITURE AND FIXTURES AND IT NEEDS TOTAL OF $5 MILLION IS ALSO BEING PROGRAMMED FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF THE OLD BUILDING, THE ONE THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY STANDING IN. SOME GREEN SPACE THAT'LL GO FROM THE OLD TOWN HALL OUT TO MILITARY TRAIL, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. WE DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT THAT'S GOING TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL. COUNCIL WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN ON WHAT THAT MAY LOOK LIKE. THAT COST OF $1.5 MILLION WILL MOST LIKELY INCREASE. BUT WE DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT, BUT WE HAVE A PLACEHOLDER BASED ON AN EARLY ESTIMATE THAT WE HAVE. MAINLY THE LARGEST PORTION OF THAT IS THE DESTRUCTION OF THIS BUILDING. THE NEXT ONE IS THE SAWFISH BAY PARK. THERE HAS BEEN A TOTAL INCREASE OF $967,000. THAT IS DUE TO CHANGE IN SCOPE. IF YOU REMEMBER RIGHT, IF YOU WERE SITTING ON COUNCIL OR YOU WERE LISTENING IN A FEW YEARS AGO, WE ACTUALLY BROUGHT TO COUNCIL, WE DISCUSSED THE SCOPE IN RELATION TO WHAT THE FUTURE OF SAWFISH BAY AND THAT WHOLE AREA MAY LOOK LIKE. WE WERE ANTICIPATING AN ADDITIONAL ASK RELATING TO THAT PROJECT. WE'VE SCOPED IT OUT AND NOW WE'VE PLACED IT INTO THE FIVE-YEAR CIP AND IT'S AROUND $967,000. BUT EITHER WAY, IT'S A STRATEGIC INITIATIVE OF THE COUNCIL THIS YEAR AND WE'VE MADE SURE TO FUN FOR THAT. YES, SIR. MR. MAYOR. >> [INAUDIBLE], FIRST OF ALL, I PREFACED IT SAYING THAT MY VIEW HAS ALWAYS BEEN ON THE CIP, THAT FIVE-YEAR PLAN. IF IT'S A GREAT PROCESS AND IF WE MANAGE THE PROCESS PROPERLY, NOTHING SHOULD COME IN YEAR ONE. IF IT DOES, IT'S BY EXCEPTION AND IT'S A POLICY ACTION THAT WE'VE DONE AT TWO. THEN I PUSH BACK SOMETIMES WHEN WE THROW A BUNCH OF MONEY IN, WHEN MAYBE IT'S GOING TO BE IN FACING AS A PROJECT MANAGER WHO I WORK IN MY DAY JOB, YOU MAY GET SOME FUNDS, YOU DON'T GET IT HOME. IT'S COMMON THING, BUT I THINK I WANT TO JUST POINT OUT ON RIVERSIDE DRIVE ONE, WHICH IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THE WHITE APPROACH THAT I SUPPORT, FOR THE NEWER MEMBERS THAT MAY NOT KNOW. FIRST OF ALL, RIVERSIDE DRIVE DOESN'T MAKE LEVEL OF SERVICE AND UPGRADES WE NEEDED TO FULFILL OUR OBLIGATION NUMBER TWO, THE PLAN WE HAD PROCEEDED WITH, THE PUBLIC DIDN'T LIKE AND IT DIED. SOMETIMES WHAT HAPPENED IN THE MONEY WASN'T HELD ON NOW WHEN THEY HAVE TO COME BACK AND RERUN MARKET, SOMETIMES THE MONEY WAS HELD ON. BUT WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THIS, AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT MODEL YEAR ONE STUDY. THEN [INAUDIBLE] WHATEVER WITH THE RESIDENTS TO SEE WHAT WILL WORK. IN MY MIND, WHEN I SEE THIS, THAT'S AN EASY ONE FOR ME TO DO BECAUSE IT'S EVEN DEFINED IN THE SHEET. I'M REALLY SUPPORTING AS FAR AS PHASE 1 AND UNDER ME HAVE BEEN PENCILED IN BECAUSE IT'S A PRIORITY. [00:35:02] BUT MY SUPPORT FOR YEARS TWO AND THREE WILL DEPEND UPON HOW YEAR ONE GOES, BUT AGAIN, I PREFER IT BEING BROKEN UP THAT WAY BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING I CAN LOGICALLY SUPPORT, SOMEONE TO GIVE KUDOS FOR THAT. MAYBE WE NEED TO DO THAT SOMETIMES MORE. WE DON'T HAVE CLEAR SCOPE ON THE SAWFISH BAY PARK. I REMEMBER VAGUELY AND I WOULD LIKE TO GET CLARITY ON THE SCOPE CHANGE. I DON T THINK IN THESE SETTINGS, I NEVER DO. I WANT SOMEBODY TO COME UP ON THE SPOT TO TRY TO ANSWER THAT BECAUSE I STILL LIKE IT IN WRITING TO HAVE RIGHT. EFFECTIVELY I READ THE CIP SHEET. MAYBE I DIDN'T READ IT CLOSE ENOUGH. I DIDN'T GET IT. I'M JUST ASKING, CAN STAFF CLARIFY THAT AND THEN MAYBE GO BACK MAYBE IF IT NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED OR MAYBE I NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF READING. BUT I HAD THAT ONE FLAGGED IF YOU HADN'T POINTED OUT, BUT THAT'S WHAT'S SO GOOD ABOUT YOUR PROCESSES. YOU FLAG IT. I CAN PUT ANYTHING YOU HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT ALREADY, BUT I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE DETAIL WAS FOR $4 MILLION. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I AGREE TO THAT. I'M SURE EVERYBODY ELSE FEELS THE SAME WAY. THEN THE LAST ONE, TO BE ON THE RECORD ON THE NO FUNDS FOR ROGER DEEM STADIUM IMPROVEMENTS, WE, AS A COUNCIL, I BELIEVE, HAVE INTENT TO FUNDING SOME IMPROVEMENTS, BUT TO COUNCIL NEEDS A ROUND TABLE, A WORKSHOP TO READ SOME CONSENSUS. I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO TAKE FROM THIS THAT WE'RE NOT FUNDING IT. WE JUST HAVE TO PROCEED TO THAT. AS AN EXAMPLE. I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, WE OWN FACILITIES, WE WOULD EVENTUALLY UPGRADE THOSE, BUT THAT WOULDN'T BE IN YEAR ONE. AGAIN, I DON'T WANT THE COUNTY TO HAVE THOUGHT OR I WANTED TO GET THAT ON THE RECORD AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY AGREES TO THAT. BUT ALSO, IT ALWAYS AMAZES ME. SOMEONE SAID, WELL, YOU GOT TO DO IT NOW, YOU'RE IN THE BUDGET PROCESS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT COUNCIL WE COULD DO IT MIDYEAR IF WE WANT. AGAIN, I DIDN'T WANT TO USE SAY NO, BUT NO DOESN'T MEAN THAT I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE BUT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IT, SO I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT, BUT WE WORKSHOP IN A ROUND TABLE IT. >> DO WE NEED TO DO A ROUND TABLE OR COULD STAFF MEET WITH EACH OF US INDIVIDUALLY AND THEN WORK IT INTO A ROUND TABLE, I THINK OF SOMETHING THAT'S PRETTY CONCENTRATED. WE'VE BEEN THROUGH A LOT WITH IT. THE FACTS HAVE CHANGED. I MEAN, WE OWN PROPERTY THERE WHICH WASN'T BROUGHT FORWARD THE FIRST TIME >> IN THIS CASE, I THINK AROUND TABLE MAY NOT BE BAD TO HEAR ONE ANOTHER. >> I'D AGREE WITH THAT. >> YEAH [OVERLAPPING] >> GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP ABOUT. IT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE NOT INTERESTED, BUT YES, WE HAVE TO DIGEST A LOT OF INFORMATION. >> DIFFERENCE TO ME BETWEEN A ROUND TABLE IN A WORKSHOP, IT'S A SMALLER TIME PERIOD. I DON'T THINK IT WARRANTS A FULL WORKSHOP. BUT AROUND THE TABLE, WHICH IS TYPICALLY SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND IMMEDIATELY THAT WE HAVE TIME AT. >> RIGHT. OKAY. GOT IT. >> I HAD ONE QUESTION ON THE POLICE RNR FOR THE VEHICLES, THE INCREASE OF 1.2 MILLION. IS THAT STRICTLY COST OVER SO MANY VEHICLES OR CAN YOU BREAK THAT DOWN A LITTLE BIT? >> IT'S PRIMARILY DUE TO INCREASE IN COST PER VEHICLE. THAT'S ALL IT IS. IT'S STRICTLY THE COST OVER A FIVE YEAR WINDOW AND INCREASING COST OF VEHICLES, IT'S NOT AN INCREASE IN VEHICLES OR CHANGE IN THE METHODOLOGY. I KNOW THE CHIEF HAS SPENT A LOT OF TIME LOOKING AT IT. IF YOU'D LIKE, I CAN HAVE THE CHIEF COME UP AND MAYBE GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON IT. >> BUT IT'S OVER THE 13 VEHICLES OR MORE VEHICLES DOWN THE ROAD? >> NO. THERE IS NO CHANGE AND THERE IS NOT ADDITIONAL VEHICLES ASKED FOR ABOVE WHAT WE ASKED FOR EVERY YEAR. THAT'S JUST SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES BASED ON ESTIMATES. WE'VE SEEN INCREASES ACROSS THE BOARD SPECIFICALLY FOR VEHICLES, ANYTHING TO DO WITH ELECTRONICS SPECIFICALLY. >> IS IT THE COST OF THE VEHICLE, ELECTRONICS, SHIPPING OVER HERE, EVERYTHING? >> YEAH. IN FACT, IT'S BEEN VERY DIFFICULT IN THE PURCHASING REALM RELATING TO TRYING TO GET CONTRACTS. EVEN THE PIGGYBACK CONTRACT THROUGH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT THAT WE USE TO PURCHASE THESE VEHICLES, THE DEALERSHIPS ARE NOT WILLING TO GUARANTEE THE PRICES BECAUSE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE MANUFACTURERS. IT'S BEEN VERY DIFFICULT. YOU CAN SEE IT IN THE RESIDENTIAL MARKET WHEN YOU GO TO BUY A VEHICLE, IT'S EVEN MORE TOUGH WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT COMMERCIAL VEHICLES. ESPECIALLY POLICE VEHICLES, THEY'RE VERY SPECIALIZED. >> I'VE THROUGH IT LAST COUPLE OF YEARS SO I UNDERSTAND. >> SO YOU UNDERSTAND. >> YEAH. IT'S AMAZING IN THE INCREASE IS JUST, BUT IT'S WHAT WE'RE LIVING IN RIGHT NOW. I JUST WANT TO GET THAT CLARIFIED. >> THAT IS THE BIGGEST PORTION. EVEN LIKE I SAID, THERE ARE CONTRACTS THAT HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN AWARDED THAT THE ONE THEY DO AFTER THAT'S BEEN DONE. [00:40:03] THEN THE INFLATIONARY COSTS KICK IN, THE DEALERS ARE SAYING, "I'M SORRY, WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO MEET THE CONTRACT PRICE. WE'RE JUST NOT." >> EACH VEHICLE WE PURCHASE IS CUSTOMIZED TO WHAT EXACTLY OUR SPECIFICATIONS OTHER THAN WHAT ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY MIGHT BUY FOR. THEY'RE NOT LIKE STANDARD POLICE VEHICLES. >> I'LL LET THE CHIEF TALK ABOUT THAT. CHIEF. >> SPECIFICALLY TO THE FLEET FOR THE POLICE CARS, THEY COME AS STANDARD CARS THAT YOU WOULD BUY OFF THE LOT. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THEY'RE MORE UTILITARIAN, SO THEY DON'T HAVE THE PLUSH CARPETING AND WHATNOT. THEY'VE RUBBER MATS FOR THE TYPE OF WORK AND LABOR THEY DO. THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING IS STRAIGHT INCREASING COSTS. >> YEAH. >> WE'RE BUYING THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT OF CARS, BUT OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS THE COST THAT WE ALL SEE WHEN WE GO TO A CAR DEALERSHIP AND WE USED TO BUY 5, $10,000 BELOW MSRP, NOW WE'RE PAYING 5, $10,000 OVER MSRP. WE'RE SEEING THAT ON THE LAW ENFORCEMENT WITH THE GOVERNMENT SIDE ALSO, SO IT'S NOT JUST THE POLICE VEHICLES. IT'S EVERY VEHICLE THAT EVERY GOVERNMENT ENTITY IS PURCHASING FROM THE FLEET AND SPECIFICALLY THROUGH THE STATE CONTRACT, THE FLORIDA SHERIFFS ASSOCIATION. AS FAR AS THE CUSTOMIZING WHEN WE PUT OUR EQUIPMENT IN IT, THEN YES, WE'RE CUSTOMIZING WITH OVERHEAD BAR LIGHTS AND COMPUTERS AND PRINTERS AND MONITORS, AND RADAR INSTRUMENTS AND WHATNOT. >> DO YOU GET THE CAR IN STOCK AND THEN YOU'D TAKE IT SOMEWHERE AND GET IT CUSTOMIZED? OR IS IT [OVERLAPPING]. >> THAT IS CORRECT. IT COMES IN AS A BASE CAR WITH JUST A COUPLE OF SETS OF KEYS, WE PURCHASE EQUIPMENT THROUGH CONTRACTS AND THEN IT'S ALL INSTALLED BY ONE VENDOR. THEN IT'S RETURNED TO US TURNKEY READY TO GO, INCLUDING WINDOW TINTING AND STRIPING ON THE SIDES. >> ALL THAT EQUIPMENT COST IS GOING THROUGH THE ROOF ALSO? EVERYTHING HAS GONE UP? >> MY APOLOGIES. >> ALL THOSE COSTS HAVE GONE UP WHEN YOU GET IT CUSTOMIZED, EVERYTHING? >> EVERYTHING HAS GONE UP, RIGHT. EVERY SINGLE COST. >> IT'S A MULTIPLIER. >> INCLUDING FUEL. >> SORRY. CHIEF, JUST TO CONFIRM ON THE PROCESS. I REMEMBER IN PREVIOUS YEARS WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WHAT GOES INTO DECIDING WHEN A VEHICLE IS READY TO BE REPLACED. IS IT EIGHT YEARS OR 100,000 MILES? >> BOTH OF THOSE ARE THE FIRST TWO INDICATORS THAT WE IDENTIFY THROUGH OUR FLEET, SO YES. WE LOOK AT ALL THE CARS THAT HAVE MORE THAN EIGHT YEARS OF SERVICE ON THEM. THEN WE LOOK AT WHICH VEHICLES HAVE MORE THAN 100,000 MILES. THEN WE TAKE THAT LIST OUT TO MAINTENANCE AND WE TALK ABOUT EACH VEHICLE WITH THE FLEET CHIEF MECHANIC. THEN WE LOOK AT WHICH VEHICLES DO WE ANTICIPATE ARE LIKELY TO NOT BE SERVICEABLE FOR THAT YEAR, BECAUSE THEIR VEHICLE MAY HAVE HAD A BRAND NEW TRANSMISSION AND ENGINE PUT IN IT TWO YEARS AGO, SO WE ANTICIPATE MORE LIFE SERVICE OUT OF THAT, OR A VEHICLE THAT'S HAD VERY LITTLE MAINTENANCE IS LIKELY NOT TO LAST ANOTHER YEAR OR TWO YEARS. THERE IS A METHODOLOGY TO IT AND THOSE ARE THE FIRST TWO INDICATORS FOR WHAT WE LOOK AT, NOT NECESSARILY WHAT WE REPLACE. MOST OF THE VEHICLES WE'RE REPLACING HAVE AROUND 120, 130,000 MILES ON THEM. >> WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. >> YES, MA'AM. >> JUST FOR CLARIFICATION TOO. I KNOW LAST YEAR WE ORDERED 13 EXPLORERS. CORRECT? >> YES, WE DID. >> AND WE JUST GOT THOSE. >> JUST GOT THOSE A MONTH AGO AND THEY'RE STILL BEING EQUIPPED TODAY. >> YEAH. >> YOU GUYS KNOW THAT'S HOW LONG IT'S TAKING. SOME OF THESE VEHICLES WILL END UP STAYING ON THE ROAD PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN THEY SHOULD HAVE, JUST BECAUSE OF HOW LONG IT'S TAKEN TO GET THESE VEHICLES. >> CORRECT. WE EXPERIENCED THAT LAST YEAR ALSO. THAT WE DIDN'T RECEIVE THE OCTOBER ONE PURCHASE ORDERS THAT WERE SENT OUT UNTIL LATE IN THE YEAR. YES, WE'RE HAVING TO UTILIZE THESE VEHICLES FOR YET A YEAR LONGER THAN WE ANTICIPATED JUST BECAUSE WE CANNOT GET NEW VEHICLES IN QUICKLY. >> I PERSONALLY WENT THROUGH A NINE MONTH WAIT PERIOD FOR A CUSTOMIZED VEHICLE. >> AND THE NEW EXPLORER ALL LOVE, BY THE WAY CHIEF. [LAUGHTER]. >> THE VEHICLES IS A BIG ISSUE. AS YOU JUST NOTICED, IT TOOK A NUMBER OF MONTHS TO GET THE VEHICLES. THE CHIEF AND HIS STAFF ARE REALLY GOOD. YOU'LL SEE IT EVERY YEAR RIGHT AFTER OCTOBER 1, HIS STAFF HAS SOMETHING IN FRONT OF YOU WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT TO PIGGYBACK CONTRACT AND GET THOSE VEHICLES ORDERED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. THEN YOU'LL ALSO SEE IN THERE, THERE'LL BE OTHER CONTRACTS FOR THE OUTFITTING OF THE CARS AS WELL. WE WILL BE DOING THAT PROCESS AGAIN THIS YEAR. HOPEFULLY THOSE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES ARE STARTING TO DWINDLE AS FAR AS THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT TAKES TO GET THE VEHICLES. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPEFUL FOR. >> I GUESS MY ONE FOLLOW-UP QUESTION, WOULD IT BE PRUDENT TO MAYBE ORDER A COUPLE MORE? >> HERE'S THE CHALLENGE THAT YOU HAVE COUNSELORS. THE CHIEF WAS UP HERE TALKING ABOUT HAVING TO WAIT SO LONG TO GET THOSE CARS. >> YEAH. >> NONE OF THOSE CARS HAVE EVEN BEEN DEPLOYED YET. >> I KNOW. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, SO I DON'T KNOW [OVERLAPPING]. >> THAT'S THE CHALLENGE THAT WE'RE FACING AT THE MOMENT. >> MY QUESTION IS, WOULD WE PUT OURSELVES A LITTLE AHEAD OF THE GAME IF WE ORDERED A COUPLE OF MORE VEHICLES IN THIS BUDGET YEAR, [00:45:02] BECAUSE IT IS TAKING SO LONG. >> WE HAVE NOT INCLUDED IT IN OUR PRESENTATION, BUT CERTAINLY IF THE COUNCIL WANTED US TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION, WE CERTAINLY WOULD. >> AT LEAST PROVIDE THE INFORMATION. I'D LIKE TO SEE IT AT THE NEXT THING, SO WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT. BECAUSE I WANT TO BE PROACTIVE. IF IT WOULD BENEFIT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN ORDERING A COUPLE MORE FOR JUST IN CASE. >> QUESTION. WHAT'S THE PAYMENT TERMS? IS IT UPON RECEIPT LIKE A NORMAL PERSON ON VEHICLE? >> YEAH. >> JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT, IF IT TURNS OUT NOW. SO MOST OF THIS IS, I BELIEVE, RAW MATERIAL RELATED AND HOPEFULLY THAT GETS UNDER CONTROL AND THINGS GO BACK TO NORMAL. >> WE'RE BEING HOPEFUL. >> IF IT REALLY TOOK A YEAR AND AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WELL, THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET IS AVAILABLE, BUT HOPEFULLY IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LIKE THAT. THANK YOU. >> [OVERLAPPING] IT'S NOT JUST THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IT'S ALL ROLLING STOCK THAT WE'RE HAVING ISSUES WITH. >> YEAH. OBVIOUSLY I WORK IN THAT FIELD, [NOISE] SO I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE WHEN ONE OF THE VEHICLES GOES DOWN AND YOU GOT TO SWAP IN A NEW ONE OR WORK ON IT AND IT'S DOWN FOR ANY LENGTH OF TIME. I'D LIKE TO TRY TO BE PROACTIVE AS POSSIBLE. >> SURE THING. >> EXCUSE ME. I'M HAVING AN ISSUE WITH MY PRESENTATION. THERE WE GO. MOVING ON. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE COUNCIL ASKED FOR THIS YEAR WAS A COMPANION DOCUMENT OR SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES TO BE ABLE TO POINT TO WHERE THE STRATEGIC ISSUES ARE WITHIN THE BUDGET. THE CIP HAS A NUMBER OF STRATEGIC INITIATIVES THAT ARE ARE HOUSED WITHIN THAT BUDGET ITSELF. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF TO COME UP WHERE THESE ITEMS ARE. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THEM THAT ARE IN THE OPERATING BUDGET, BUT THERE'S ALSO A LARGE VOLUME OF THEM THAT ARE ALSO SITTING WITHIN THE CIP. WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING A COMPANION DOCUMENT TO GO WITH THE BUDGET ITSELF THAT WILL SHOW THE SPECIFIC RESULT. THE INITIATIVE THAT IS ACCOMPANYING THE PAGE NUMBER THAT THE ITEM IS SITTING ON, THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION. IF THERE WAS PRIOR YEAR FUNDING IN FY22, WHAT THAT AMOUNT IS, AND THEN OVER THE FIVE-YEAR WINDOW, WHAT THE FUNDING IS FOR EACH OF THOSE PROJECTS AND THE INITIATIVE THAT THEY'RE ASSOCIATED WITH. IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE COMPANION DOCUMENT OR THESE DOLLARS ON THIS PAGE, THAT'S THE FULL FUNDING OF THE PROJECT. I WILL POINT DOWN TOWARDS THE LAST ONE ON THE PAGE, WHICH IS SELFISH BAY PARK. THE LIVING SHORELINE WAS A VERY SPECIFIC ITEM WITHIN THE STRATEGIC INITIATIVES. ALL WE'RE INDICATING THERE IS THE 385,000 DOLLARS FOR THE LIVING SHORELINE AS BEING PROGRAMMED IN FY23. THE OVERALL PROJECT, AS WE JUST TALKED ABOUT IS MUCH LARGER THAN THAT, WHICH HAS TO DO WITH SELFISH BAY PARK AND THE ACRE HOUSE. THERE'S A LOT MORE TO IT THAN JUST THAT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, THOSE DOLLARS ARE JUST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT SPECIFIC INITIATIVE. >> JUST BACK TO THAT ONE. JUST THREE ITEMS ON HERE. NUMBER 1, I'M GOING TO JUST BRING THESE UP BECAUSE THIS IS STRATEGIC INITIATIVES. TALK ABOUT A PRIORITY STRATEGIC INITIATIVE SHOULD BE. ON THE SOUTH ISLAND WAY 1, WHICH I'VE BEEN PASSIONATE ABOUT FOR YEARS. THERE IS A STRATEGIC INITIATIVE ITEM ON THAT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT UP. NOT THAT WE HAVE ACTION TO TAKE TONIGHT, BUT WE DO HAVE ACTION THAT WE COULD TAKE IN A MEETING. WE'VE BEEN ON HOLD FOR THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE SOME OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT WE NEED. IN TWO TIMES I HAD GOTTEN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY DEAL ALREADY IN FOR REASONS I'D RATHER NOT GO INTO BECAUSE IT FRUSTRATES ME. WE DIDN'T CONSUMMATE IT, BUT IN ANY EVENT. OUR PRIOR ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, IN HIS EXPERIENCE, HE WOULDN'T PROCEED BASED ON A CERTAIN ENGINEERING PERCENTAGE BECAUSE YOU ARE AT RISK OF HAVING THE RE-ENGINEER. I RESPECT THAT. IT'S BEEN ON HOLD FOR YEARS. I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS NOT YET WITH MR. KITSROW, BUT WITH PRIOR TOWN MANAGER AND THE PRIOR ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, AND YOU CAN HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS. I APPRECIATE THAT OPINION. [00:50:01] THAT'S A CONSERVATIVE OPINION. WE DON'T DO THAT IN A WATER UTILITY. I'M GOING TO STILL ADVOCATE. I THINK THERE'S LOW RISK ON GETTING THE RIGHT AWAY. BUT YES, IF WE DIDN'T GET THE RIGHT AWAY, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO RE-ENGINEER IT. THE LACK OF PROCEEDING WITH ENGINEERING DELAYS THAT PROJECT ON A DAY-BY-DAY BASIS ON A PROJECT THAT'S VERY SIGNIFICANT. IT WOULDN'T AFFECT HOW MUCH FUNDING WE'RE DOING. BUT IT'S A DECISION TO GET IT OFF ON-HOLD, SITTING THERE, DUSTED OFF, BEEN THERE FOR YEARS NOW. I CAN'T HELP BUT SAY THAT IT WOULDN'T AFFECT MONEY, BUT THAT'S WHAT THAT STRATEGIC INITIATIVE IS. SECONDLY, UNDER THE WEST INDIAN TOWN ROAD 1 AND I HAD ASKED THIS QUESTION BEFORE THE MEETING AND GOT THE ANSWER. BUT I WANTED TO BRING THIS UP. WE HAD A STRATEGIC INITIATIVE ITEM. LET ME JUST PULL IT UP HERE QUICKLY. IT WAS TO EXTEND THE WEST INDIAN TOWN ROAD SCOPE. THAT'S A PROJECT THAT'S BEEN IN THE QUEUE WITH F DOT KUDOS TO STAFF ARE HAVING GOTTEN IN THERE. WE'RE SOON TO HOPEFULLY BREAK GROUND SOONER, MAYBE A YEAR, BUT IT'S ON THE HORIZON. THEN THE ADDED PIECE THAT WE HAD IN THAT STRATEGIC PLAN AND I WAS CONFIRMING BECAUSE MY NUMBERS WERE IN THERE. DID YOU INCLUDE THE FULL COST? I JUST WANT TO CREATE THIS AWARENESS BECAUSE WE HAD INCLUDED BOTH IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PLUS IN THIS DOCUMENT THE FACT THAT RIGHT NOW THE WESTBOUND AUXILIARY LANE STARTS AT LIGHT. WE'VE ASKED FOR IT BE FROM CENTRAL BOULEVARD SOUTHERN, IT ENABLES BETTER FUNCTION ON THE CENTRAL BOULEVARD INTERSECTION. YEARS AGO TOM FELT BRISCOE THAT HE WOULD DO THAT IN-HOUSE CHEAPER. I TRIED TO GET IT IN TO BE DONE AND IT'S NOT IN THE SCOPE. THEN COMING EASTBOUND, RIGHT NOW THE PROJECT ENDS AT CENTRAL BOULEVARD. WE WANTED TO ACCEPT EXTENDED TO CHASE WORDS. THERE'S A CONSENSUS ON THAT. THEN I ASKED BECAUSE I SAW A 150,000 DOLLARS IN 2024, IS THAT THAT? THE ANSWER WAS THAT JUST ENGINEERING. CORRECT. I JUST WANTED TO FILL THE BUDGET GETS IN THERE AND IT GETS CONSTRUCTED. WE'RE SITTING IN MORE TRAFFIC. BUT ENGINEERING WOULD BE THE FIRST STEP. WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THAT. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY ACTION YOU COULD TAKE. I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THOSE ARE TWO PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING ON AT A SNAIL'S PACE AND IT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT. THEN JUST THE LAST ONE I WANTED TO UNSAFETY, I WANTED TO SHARE SOME GOOD NEWS. BUT FIRST THE BAD NEWS, IF YOU HAVEN'T WATCHED THE NEWS, THERE'S BEEN THREE PEDESTRIAN FATALITIES IN LAST WEEK FROM BRIGHT LINE. STAFF DONE AN EXTRAORDINARY JOB AND I'VE JUST BEEN DOING MINE AS THE ELECTED OFFICIAL PUSHING TO GET FENCING PUT IN AND HEARD TODAY FROM BRIGHT-LINE THAT THEY DID GET THE RAYS GRANT 25 MILLION DOLLARS FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. THAT GRANT. THEY WERE GOING TO PUT SOME IN, F DOT IS GOING TO PUT SOME IN. THEY WERE ALREADY COMMITTED TO DO ABOUT HALF THE FENCING THAT WE WANTED. THIS WOULD COMPLETE THE SCOPE THAT WAS THE TOWN POSITION, BOTH STAFF AND COUNSEL, SO I WAS EXCITED. I'M WORKING WITH THEM NOW TO CONFIRM WHEN IT'S GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTED. THE PLAN, HOPEFULLY THEY'LL CONFIRM IT WILL BE IMPLEMENTED BEFORE BRIGHT-LINE GOES IN SERVICE. BUT I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP BECAUSE I WAS ALWAYS WAITING IF THE MONEY DIDN'T HAPPEN AND WE'D BE ASKING, BUT WE WERE TAKING A CONSERVATIVE APPROACH TO SEE IF WE COULDN'T GET THE FUNDING FROM ALL THE OTHER SOURCES. IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL. >> I HAD A QUESTION CONCERNING ISLAND AWAY SELF ABOUT THE OBTAINING RIGHT-OF-WAY. I'M ALWAYS OPEN TO DISCUSS ANYTHING LIKE THAT OR I'VE BEEN A LITTLE FRUSTRATED BY THAT. >> THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IS OWNED BY ONE OF THE DEVELOPERS THAT IS GOING TO BE COMING TO US ALL OF IT THAT WE NEED FOR THE MOST PART. THEY'VE DECIDED THEY WANTED TO WAIT TILL THEY COME TO US. THAT'S WHY IT'S BEEN SET ASIDE FOR YEARS. IN FACT, THE NAME OF THE HOLDING COMPANY [00:55:02] IS ISLAND WAY SOUTH AND THAT ROAD IS NOT EVEN ISLAND WAY. WE PURCHASED KNOWING FOR THE ROADWAY. >> BUT I THINK MOST FRUSTRATING PART IS THAT ROAD HAS TO BE BUILT FOR THEM TO ACCESS THAT PROPERTY ANYWAY. WHAT'S THE HOLDUP? >> TWO DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNERS SUDDENLY BOTH WANT TO BENEFIT FROM THE PROFIT RELIEF ON INDIAN TOWN OFFSET THE INCREASE. THAT'S THE CHALLENGE. BOTH OF THEM ARE HOLDING. THE ENGINEERING WOULD BE THE PIECE NORTH OF WHAT USED TO BE THE HAWKEYE PROPERTY BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE ALL THE ENGINEERING HAS TO HAPPEN. THAT'S RELYING ON PROPERTY THAT THE OWNERS OF NORTH OF INDIAN TOWN OWN. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT UNTIL WE DEAL WITH THAT. BUT MEANTIME, WE COULD PROCEED WITH ENGINEERING BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT BUILDING ON THAT PROPERTY. >> WE'VE GOT TO LIKE 60 PERCENT ENGINEERING ON THAT. >> ABOUT 60 PERCENT, YEAH. >> BUT IT'S IN THE NORTHERN PROPERTY ON SOME PROPERTIES THAT WE NEED. IT'S THE BALANCING ACT. >> THERE'S OCCASION. WE GOT 5.4 MILLION DOLLARS SITTING THERE, SET ASIDE. >> IS THERE JUST ONE OTHER OWNER OF PROPERTY FOR THE RIGHT-OF-WAY? >> FOR THE MOST PART. WE HAVEN'T BREAKDOWN, BUT BY ENLARGE THE BULK OF IT. >> THIS IS RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS IN RELATION TO THE INITIATIVES PAGE? AGAIN, THE COUNCIL WILL BE RECEIVING AND THE PUBLIC, WILL BE RECEIVING A COMPANION DOCUMENT OF ALL THE INITIATIVES, THE SHOW, NOT JUST WHAT'S IN THE CIP, FOR THE OPERATING BUDGET AS WELL. >> SCOTT, I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. I THINK AS A NEW COUNCIL MEMBER LOOKING AT THINGS WITH FRESH EYES, WE GO THROUGH A STRATEGIC PLANNING PROCESS EVERY YEAR IN JANUARY, AND WE'VE COME UP WITH OUR LIST, NOT ALWAYS KNOWING THE COSTS ASSOCIATED OR WHERE THEY'LL BE OR HOW THEY'LL PLAY INTO OUR BUDGET IN THE SUMMER. HAVING THIS SEPARATED REALLY HELPS. THANK YOU. >> WELL, THIS IS THE TOTAL STAFF EFFORT AGAIN, SO WE THANK YOU. >> BUT ON THAT POINT, THAT'S WHY AS AN EXAMPLE, I WANTED TO BRING UP BECAUSE EVERYBODY MAY WANT TO GO BACK TO ONES YOU MIGHT HAVE RECOMMENDED. IF WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THE POINT THAT WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE, IT'S NOT IN HERE YET, WHICH IS WHY IT WAS LOGICAL FOR ME TO REACH OUT TO STAFF. "HEY, I'M EXCITED TO SEE THAT WE'VE GOT MONEY IN THERE. DOES THAT COVER EVERYTHING?" I KNEW BETTER BUT I WAS HOPING [LAUGHTER], AND I GOT THE ANSWER, "NO, IT'S ONLY ENGINEERING." I WOULD'VE LIKED IT ALL TO BE IN THERE. IT MAY BE OTHER ONES ARE NOT IN THERE YET, SO I JUST ENCOURAGE EACH OF US TO. >> ROLLING FORWARD THE SURTAX FUNDING, THIS IS ALWAYS AN OPPORTUNITY WE'VE HAD EVERY YEAR DURING THE STRATEGIC INITIATIVE AND THE PLANNING SESSIONS. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE SURTAX FUNDING AGAIN, AS I POINTED OUT EARLIER, IS VERY RESTRICTIVE IN NATURE ON WHAT IT CAN BE SPENT ON, MAINLY CAPITAL PROJECTS WITH A FIVE-YEAR LIFESPAN, HAS TO BE OWNED BY THE TOWN WITH NO REPLACEMENT PLUS NEW PROJECTS. SOME OF THE ACTIVITY THAT HAS OCCURRED WITHIN THE SURTAX AND FUTURE PLANNED EXPENDITURES, THE PD DAY CENTER, AS WE KNOW, THAT HAS BEEN COMPLETED, THAT WAS JUST $12.5 MILLION THAT WAS SPENT OUT OF THE FUNDS RECEIVED. ALSO A STRATEGIC INITIATIVE OF THE COUNCIL, WHICH IS THE JUPITER COMMUNITY PARK, THAT'S OVER $7.7 MILLION FOR THAT PROJECT. THERE WAS ACTUALLY A REDUCTION THIS YEAR OF $300,000. THOMAS AND HIS STAFF WENT THROUGH AND LOOKED AT THE PROJECT AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME COST SAVINGS THAT WENT BACK INTO THE FUND OF ABOUT $300,000. THAT'S TOTALLY SURTAX FUNDING FOR THAT PROJECT. THE NEW TOWN HALL BUILDING, $9 MILLION COMING FROM THE SURTAX FUND, THAT'S ANOTHER STRATEGIC INITIATIVE. THEN THE SOUTHERN EXTENSION OF THE ISLAND WAY THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, THE $2.7 MILLION. ONE THING YOU CAN LOOK AT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SURTAX CASH FLOW, EVERY ONE OF THESE ARE STRATEGIC INITIATIVE. ONCE WE GET INTO THAT PROCESS WITH THE COUNCIL EVERY YEAR, THEY'RE SETTING THEIR PRIORITIES FOR THE TOWN. THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THEY LOOK AT [NOISE] BECAUSE THE FUNDS ARE RESTRICTED. IF THERE'S A CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE BROUGHT FORWARD, WE CAN MOVE THE CASH FLOW AROUND, THE FUTURE CASH FLOW IF NEEDED BASED ON THE PRIORITIES OF THE TOWN COUNCIL AND PLACE IT WITHIN THE SURTAX CASH FLOW. LOOKING AT OVER THE LIFE OF THE SURTAX, IT'S SET TO EXPIRE IN 2026. I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I THINK THAT WE WILL RECEIVE OUR CAP BEFORE THAT END DATE. THE $39.5 MILLION THAT'S ESTIMATED AT THE END OF THE LIFE OF THE SURTAX. [01:00:03] I THINK WE WILL REACH THAT CAP BEFORE THE 2026. BUT EITHER WAY, RIGHT NOW, BASED ON EXPENDITURES THAT ARE ESTIMATED, WE'LL HAVE AN ENDING BALANCE OF $7.5 MILLION AVAILABLE FOR WHAT OTHER PRIORITIES THE COUNCIL WISH TO BRING FORWARD. >> THAT ACTUALLY CAPITALS TO GET ADJUSTED EACH YEAR BASED ON THE POPULATION. >> NO, IT IS THE CAP. WE'VE ALREADY BEEN ASSIGNED A DOLLAR VALUE WHEN IT WAS INITIALLY SET. >> OKAY. >> YES. >> I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME ADJUSTMENT CHAIR CAN HEAR HER BUT. >> I WISH. >> FINE. NO. >> WHAT IS ADJUSTED VIA THE POPULATION AND ALSO THE TAX ITSELF BASED ON WHAT COMES IN, IS THE AMOUNT OF DISTRIBUTION. BUT THAT JUST ESCALATES OR SPEEDS UP THE AMOUNT OF TIME BETWEEN THE END OF THE LIFE AND WHEN YOU RECEIVE THE TAXES. >> THAT'S THE CALCULATIONS THEY'VE HAD TO MAKE, THE CHANGES THEY'VE MADE THAT'S IRRELEVANT WITH THIS ACCOUNT [OVERLAPPING] THAT INITIAL CAP YEARS AGO WHEN IT CAME THROUGH, SO HE'S REALLY STICK TO THAT, IT ADJUSTS THE YEARLY AMOUNT AND THAT'S IT. >> THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S BEEN SPEEDING UP WHEN WE WERE BEEN RECEIVING MORE. BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU LOOK, PEOPLE ARE SPENDING DOLLARS WHETHER THEY'RE SPENDING IT OUT ON THEIR CREDIT CARD OR HOWEVER THEY'RE SPENDING IT. THERE'S A LOT MORE EXPENSES GOING ON. >> FOR ME, IT'S THE SURTAX DOLLARS OR SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO USE THAT TO IMPLEMENT. SOME OF THESE ARE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS WE MIGHT NOT OTHERWISE BE ABLE TO DO OR TO OFFSET COSTS SO THAT FUNDS CAN BE SHIFTED TO SOMETHING ELSE. I'D REALLY LIKE TO HAVE MORE OF AN IN-DEPTH DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING DO WITH THESE FUNDS. I KNOW THERE'S PROBABLY MONEY THIS YEAR THAT WE COULD BE USING FOR SOMETHING. TO ME, IT'S ALL PART OF THE WHOLE BIG PICTURE OF, HOW DO WE FUND THINGS? WHAT MONEY DO WE PUT TOWARDS OTHER THINGS? HOW CAN WE SAVE MONEY? THERE'S THIS BIG POT HERE OF DOLLARS THAT WE CAN USE FOR PROJECTS. I WANT TO REALLY HAVE MORE OF A DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT WHAT'S LEFT. >> I THINK ANOTHER ITEM TO CONSIDER IS JUST THE NUMBER OF STUDIES THAT WE HAVE AS STRATEGIC PRIORITIES. EARLIER ON IN THE BUDGET PRESENTATION, THERE WAS A $25,000 OR A $20,000 STUDY FOR OUTDOOR RECREATION. I FORGET THIS SPECIFIC TITLES, BUT THOSE STUDIES WILL RESULT MOST LIKELY IN PROJECTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO FUND IN THE FUTURE. JUST TO HAVE SOMETHING IN RESERVE FOR THAT WHEN THE DAY COMES. >> [OVERLAPPING] I WANT TO HAVE A LARGER CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT THE PRIORITIES ARE FOR THAT BECAUSE FOR ME THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER IMPORTANT PROJECTS AND HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS THAT I MIGHT WANT TO SEE PRIORITIZED OVER SOMETHING ELSE. THAT'S WHY I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AND HAVE A PLAN ABOUT HOW WE REALLY WANT TO GO ABOUT DEPLOYING THOSE DOLLARS. >> THE WAY THIS HAS WORKED WITH PRIOR COUNCILS, WE TAKE IT FROM WHERE PRIOR COUNCIL SAID IT WAS, WHAT WAS DONE WITH THE SURTAX FUNDING WAS A COUNCIL DECISION. WHAT CAN EARMARK HERE? WHAT'S LEFTOVER IS $7.5 MILLION DOLLARS. >> RIGHT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT 7.5 MILLION. >> THAT 7.5 MILLION NO ONE'S USING BECAUSE THE PROCESS WE'VE USED, STAFF MAY RECOMMEND SOMETHING BUT IT HAS TO COME TO US. NOTHING IS RECOMMENDED YET. PARTLY FOR THE REASON YOU SUGGESTED THAT THERE'S SOME THINGS GOING ON WITH STUDIES AND WHATEVER AND WE HAVEN'T PULLED THE TRIGGER ON THAT. BUT THAT'LL BE A COUNCIL ACTION. BUT THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO HAPPEN BEFORE THE BUDGET BECAUSE IT'S THERE TO US TO LEVERAGE WHEN WE WANT TO LEVERAGE IT, IT'S NOT AVAILABLE. >> YES, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DONE NOW, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WANT TO GIVE THOUGHT TO. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, RESPONDING BACK TO YOU. THAT'LL BE OUR ROLE AS A COUNCIL ENTIRELY TO MAKE THAT DECISION. >> ONE OF THE THINGS, THE CASH FLOW IS ALSO A LIVING BREATHING THING. IN THE FACT THAT WE'VE HAD PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE CASH FLOW IN PREVIOUS YEARS. THEY'VE CAME OUT OF THE CASH FLOW BASED ON PRIORITIES OF THE TOWN COUNCIL, SPECIFICALLY THE BASEBALL FUNDING. WE DID HAVE THAT IN THE SURTAX CASH FLOW AT ONE TIME, AND THEN AT THAT POINT THERE WAS A DISCUSSION OF TAKING IT OUT, AND WE'VE DONE SO. EVERY YEAR, THE COUNCIL SETS THE PRIORITY FOR WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE IN RELATION TO THOSE SURTAX. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SURTAX? >> [INAUDIBLE] PROPER STEWARDSHIP OF THE MONEY, THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE MONEY LEFTOVER. >> [LAUGHTER] IT'S VERY RESTRICTIVE TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS TOO THAT WE HAVE A SURTAX COMMITTEE, WHICH IS THE AUDIT COMMITTEE. THE COUNCIL APPOINTED THEM AND THEY TAKE THAT VERY SERIOUSLY. EVERY YEAR WHEN WE MEET ON THE AUDIT, WE HAVE A SURTAX REPORT THAT WE [NOISE] PRODUCE FOR THEM. THE AUDITOR IS SITTING RIGHT THERE WHERE THEY CAN ASK QUESTIONS TO THE AUDITOR [01:05:01] ABOUT THE SURTAX BECAUSE IT'S SET IN A SEPARATE FUND AND THOSE EXPENDITURES THAT ARE OCCURRING THERE. AGAIN, THEY TAKE THAT VERY SERIOUSLY. THERE'S A REPORT THAT COMES OUT, WE BRING IT BACK TO THE TOWN COUNCIL, AND SO YES, IT'S VERY RESTRICTIVE IN NATURE AND WE HAVE TO HAVE CHECKS AND BALANCES IN PLACE FOR THAT FUND. ROLLING FORWARD INTO THE WATER FUND, YOU CAN SEE THE $31.3 MILLION IN FY23 IS BEING REQUESTED. THERE'S A TOTAL OF 11 PROJECTS IN FY23, WITH 88 PERCENT OF THAT BEING THE DEEP WELL INJECTION AT $22 MILLION. THAT'S A TOTAL OF $25 MILLION PROJECT OVERALL OVER THE FIVE YEAR WINDOW SET TO BE FUNDED BY THE WATERS R&R FUNDS. THE TOTAL FUNDING BEING REQUESTED OVER THE FIVE YEAR FUNDING WINDOW IS 63.4 MILLION, WITH ALL FUNDS COMING FROM WATER R&R AND OFF-SITE FEES, EXCEPT FOR $741,000 IN HAZARD MITIGATION GRANT FUNDING, WHICH IS FOR THE WATER PLANT HARDENED SERVER BUILDING THAT'S BEING CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION. THIS IS THE SAME GRANT THAT WE RECEIVED FOR THE NEW PD BUILDING, THAT $741,000 IS BEING RECEIVED IN GRANT FUNDING. NEW PROJECTS, THERE'S A TOTAL OF FIVE NEW PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING ADDED TO THE CIP FOR THIS UPCOMING YEAR. JUST DISCUSSED ONE OF THEM, WHICH IS THE DEEP WELL INJECTION. YOU HAVE ALSO THE NANOFILTRATION CONCENTRATE BLENDING AND REVERSE OSMOSIS RAW WATER PROJECT THAT IS COUPLED WITH THE DEEP WELL INJECTION PROJECT. THAT PROJECT IS $2.9 MILLION IF MY GLASSES ARE HELPING ME THERE. BUT YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED WITHIN THE FIVE-YEAR WINDOW. AGAIN, TALKING ABOUT THE WATER FUND, JUST LIKE WE DID WITH THE GENERAL FUND. WE COMPARED THE FY22 PLAN, GOT ROLLING FORWARD IN FY23, WE TALKED ABOUT THE INCREASES AND DECREASES IN SOME OF THE PLAN FUNDING. WE JUST TALKED ABOUT [NOISE] THE DEEP WELL INJECTION, $25 MILLION, THE NANOFILTRATION BLENDING $2.9 MILLION, THE METER REPLACEMENT PROGRAM, THERE'S BEEN AN INCREASE OF $812,000 OVER FY22. YOU CAN SEE THERE'S ALSO A NUMBER OF PROJECTS HERE THAT SHOW REDUCTIONS IN FUNDING OVER THE LAST OVER FY22 OF $1.9 MILLION. ALSO, FISHERMAN'S LANDING, I WANT TO POINT THAT OUT. IT SHOWS US A REDUCTION IN THE WATERFRONT OF $508,000. THAT PROJECT ACTUALLY GOT MOVED FROM THE WATER FUND TO THE STORMWATER FUND. WHEN YOU DO THAT COMPARISON, IT'LL SHOW AN INCREASE IN THE STORMWATER FUND. THERE ACTUALLY WASN'T A LARGE INCREASE IN THAT PROJECT. IT JUST GOT MOVED FROM ONE FUND TO THE OTHER BECAUSE OF THE VOLUME OF FUNDING AND THE TYPE OF PROJECT IT WAS. MOVING ON TO THE STORMWATER FUND, TOTAL OF $4.2 MILLION IS BEING REQUESTED FOR FY23. TOTAL OF 11 PROJECTS ARE BEING PROPOSED, WITH 65% OF THAT OR 2.7 OF THE FUNDING GOING TOWARDS FOUR PROJECTS, THE PENNOCK INDUSTRIAL PARK DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT, THE FISHERMAN'S LANDING I JUST DISCUSSED, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S NOT A NEW PROJECT, BUT IT IS NEW TO THE STORMWATER FUND, THE DOLPHIN DRIVE DRAINAGE AND WATERMAIN IMPROVEMENTS, AND THE STORMWATER SYSTEM REHAB. 2.7 OUT OF THE 4.2 ARE RELATED TO THOSE FOUR PROJECTS. THE SOURCES OF FUNDING RANGE ANYWHERE FROM STORM WATER REVENUES, THE STORM WATER R&R FUNDING, LRPI GRANTS. YOU CAN SEE WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT $475,000 AND LRPI WITH THE FIVE-YEAR WINDOW. WE ALSO HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD EQUITY FUNDS THAT WE'RE USING AT $549,000 AND THERE'S SOME WATER FUNDING COMING FROM THE WATER R&R FUND, WHICH ARE DIRECTLY RELATED TO WATER IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE STORMWATER [NOISE] PROJECT. NEW PROJECTS WITHIN THE STORMWATER FUND. YOU HAVE CURB REPLACEMENT OF $490,000, THE TOWN HALL-DANIEL'S WAY WATER QUALITY IMPROVEMENTS OF $183,000, $91,000 OF THAT IS GRANT-FUNDED. THE DOVER DITCH WATER QUALITY IMPROVEMENTS, $174,000 AND THEN THE SEMINOLE BASIN POND AND QUALITY IMPROVEMENTS, $417,000 WITH 208 OF THAT BEING GRANT FUNDED. INCREASES AND DECREASES IN THE WATER FUND, VERY MINIMAL MOVEMENT. JUST TO ILLUSTRATE THE $508,000 FOR THE FISHERMAN'S [INAUDIBLE]. [01:10:04] ALSO THE URBAN STORMWATER MANAGEMENT REHAB, THERE HAS BEEN A REDUCTION THERE OF 220,000 OR $880,000 OVER THE FIVE-YEAR WINDOW. WITH THAT, THAT'S ALL THE FUNDS. I KNOW WE'VE HAD A LENGTHY DISCUSSION, BUT NOW'S THE TIME FOR QUESTIONS OR WE CAN GO BACK INTO THE PRESENTATION TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS ON SPECIFIC SLIDES. I WANTED TO JUST TALK ABOUT THE CHILI PROJECTS I WAITED TO DO I'VE BEEN TOLD THE TOTAL. I HAVE TWO SLIDES THAT I WANT TO GO THROUGH FOR THE COUNCIL AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. ACTUALLY, STAFF CAN ACTUALLY ANSWER. IN MY SLIDES, BUT NOT MY INFORMATION. FIRST, IF YOU CAN PULL THAT UP. SURE. JUST ONE SECOND. I JUST PUT ON AN OVERHEAD SOMETHING AT A PAGE 152 OF THE CIP. IT'S IN YOUR BOOK BUT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT IN THE OVERHEAD ON A DIARIES HERE. THIS IS AN ANALYSIS OF WATER REVENUE CASH. [NOISE] I'M FAMILIAR WITH THIS, BECAUSE I INFLUENCED IN BEING ADDED AND I APPRECIATE TO GETTING UPDATED EVERY YEAR. FIRST ITEM IS NUMBER 4. THAT'S NOT THE PAGE 152. BUT IT'S ALSO ONLINE. WE HAVEN'T BEEN GETTING ENOUGH CONNECTION FEES, WHICH BASICALLY WOULD BE THE NEW CUSTOMERS TO WHAT THE FORECAST WAS. WE'VE BEEN BASICALLY HAVING TO PULL FROM OPERATING FUND, [NOISE] WHICH THEN TAKES AWAY FROM R&R. WE'RE AT 7.6 MILLION IN FIVE-YEARS WILL BE AT 13 MILLION. I JUST WANTED TO CREATE THAT AWARENESS. NOW, LET'S GO BACK IN TIME BECAUSE I WANT TO BE VERY CAREFUL TONIGHT THAT SOMEONE DOESN'T HEAR ME AS CRITICIZING. YOU IMAGINE 15 YEARS AGO HOW ANYBODY ESTIMATED THE BUILD-OUT. WHEN WE WERE STILL HAVING PROJECTS COMING IN, THERE'S DEBATE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE AND THEN WHAT'S TO WATER CONSUMPTION. BUT WE'RE AT A POINT WE'RE NEARING BUILD-OUT, SO IT'S A LOT EASIER NOW TO LOOK. I JUST WANT TO SAY IT ENDS UP WITH, BUT YOU MAY REMEMBER AT THE WORKSHOP, I WAS SUGGESTING ON THE MASTER PLAN THAT I DO THINK WE STILL SHOULD LOOK AT OUR CONNECTION FEES. MAYBE THEY SHOULD BE GOING UP, BUT I JUST WANTED TO CREATE THE AWARENESS BECAUSE THERE'S A REASON I WANT TO CREATE THIS AWARENESS IS THAT BASICALLY IF YOU'RE NOT GETTING ENOUGH CONNECTION FEES, IT'S BECAUSE YOU WERE PREPARING FOR CAPE CAPACITY THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A CUSTOMER FOR. THINGS COULD CHANGE, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE IN MONTHS. IT'LL CHANGE WHERE YOU CAN REACT TO THAT. IN THE SLIDE BELOW THAT IS JUST TO CLICK THE TABLE BELOW THAT IN NUMBER 5. YOU'LL SEE THE CORRESPONDING THING IN THE STORM OR A PLAN IS THAT BASICALLY THE STORM WATER UTILITY DIDN'T HAVE MONEY TO CONTINUE WITH THE CAPITAL PROJECTS. MOST OF THESE CAPITAL PROJECTS ARE NOT RENEWAL OR REPLACEMENT OR IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN ADDRESSED IN THE MISSION OF UTILITY IN MY OPINION. THIS ALONE, THEY'RE PAYING BACK. EFFECTIVELY, THEY DON'T HAVE REALLY MUCH MONEY BECAUSE YOU'RE STILL PAYING BACK ALONE. JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND. WITH THAT, THIS IS STAFFS INFORMATION. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT'S IN THE BOOK. I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT AS A PREFACE TO MY POSITION ON THE CAPITAL PLAN, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. NOW, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE READABILITY OF THIS, BUT THIS IS IN THE WATER UTILITY MASTER PLAN. THE ONLY WAY I COULD CREATE THIS WAS TO CROP IT FROM A COPY AND THEN WHEN YOU BLOW IT UP, IT'S NOT AS GOOD AS I DIDN'T HAVE THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT. BUT WHAT THIS SHOWS IS, THIS IS TABLE 3.2 AND I THINK IT'S A TABLE RIGHT AFTER THIS, BUT THIS IS THE FORECAST WATER DEMAND FOR EXCLUDING JUPITER FARMS. THEN THERE'S A JUPITER FARMS ON THAT BECAUSE IN THE MASTER PLAN IT HAD IT INCLUDED JUPITER FARMS. IN SOME YEARS AGO, COUNCIL TOOK THE POSITION, WELL, WE DON'T SEE THAT EVER HAPPENING. IF IT EVER DOES, THERE WILL BE TIME TO REACT TO THAT. BUT AS AN EXAMPLE, THE WATER PLANT IN TOTALITY AS IT EXISTS TODAY, IT MAY BE CHANGING, BUT IT'S DESIGNED FOR 30 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. [01:15:03] IN 2025, AS YOU LOOK, THIS IS RIGHT FROM THE FORECASTS, THERE WERE GOING TO BE AT 23.9 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. WE'RE JUST A LITTLE BIT UNDER 80 PERCENT IF WE'RE GOING TO BE IN 2025 AND THEN YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE FORECASTS ARE. BUT THE POINT OF IT IS, WITH THIS AS A BACKGROUND AND THIS IS NOT MY INFORMATION THAT'S RIGHT FROM OUR STAFF. I SEE AN OPPORTUNITY WITH THIS TO DEFER SOME SPENDING. I'M GOING TO MAKE THAT PITCH, BUT I WANTED TO FIND IT ON INFORMATION THAT I DIDN'T HAVE. THE MASTER PLAN, WHICH IS $200,000 WORTH WORK HAS GOT GOLDEN THERE. THE GOLD HAS TO BE MINED TO USE, BUT IT'S REALLY AN INCREDIBLE BODY OF INFORMATION EVERY FIVE YEARS WHEN WE UPDATE THAT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE INFORMATION LIKE THIS. YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THIS IF IT WASN'T PRODUCED. MOVING ON THEN WITH THIS AS A PREFERENCE, I HAVE $44 MILLION IN BUDGET FUNDING FOR THE WATER UTILITY THAT I DON'T SUPPORT AS I'M SITTING HERE TONIGHT. FOUR CATEGORIES, I'M JUST GOING TO EXPLAIN IT. FIRST,11.6 MILLION IN WELLS. I THINK THIS WOULD BE AN ACTION ITEM FOR STAFF TO ANALYZE AND GET BACK WITH US. THE PLANTS BUILT, YOU CAN'T OFFSET THAT. BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING ALL FOUR NUMBER OF WELLS IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS TO STILL MEET THAT 30 MILLION GALLONS A DAY CAPABILITY. WE'RE MEETING IT RIGHT NOW, AND YET IF YOU LOOK IN THE PLAN, THERE'S A LOT OF NEW WELLS AND THEN REPLACEMENT WELLS. I'M GOING TO MAKE AN ASK IS I BELIEVE, AS I BE DOING THIS IN MY DAY JOB, IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HOLD BACK ON SOME OF THAT WELL CONSTRUCTION UNTIL WE NEED IT. BUT I'LL LET STAFF RESPOND TO THAT. LET ME SAY I HAVE A QUESTION. MY UNDERSTANDING WAS, I THOUGHT WAS THAT PART OF THE REASON FOR THE ADDITIONAL WELLS IS A CHANGE IN STRATEGY IN TERMS OF HOW YOU USE THE WELLS AND MAYBE DAVID CAN PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION AS OPPOSED TO HAVING A COUPLE OF WELLS THAT DRAW A LOT OF. NO. THAT'S MIXED IN IT, BUT I THINK IT'S BEST TO LET STAFF, IN MY OPINION, HAVE THEM COME BACK AND RESPOND BACK TO US BECAUSE NO MATTER WHAT'S SAID HERE, I STILL GOING TO WANT TO SEE IT IN WRITING. I THINK IT'S SOME OF BOTH. I GET THAT, I EXPECT THAT. RIGHT. BUT I ALSO THOUGHT THAT WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT WAS JUST A SMALL LIST OF PROJECTS THAT WAS UP BEFORE 4/23 AND THAT THINGS THAT GO ON IN 24 AND 25, WE HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THAT AND MAYBE THINGS CHANGE AND WE EVALUATE THAT. BUT THE LIST THAT WAS UP BEFORE AN 80 PERCENT OF THAT WAS THE DEEP INJECTION WELLS. BUT THE DEEP INJECTION WELLS IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE BORE WATER SUPPLY. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SURFICIAL AQUIFER AND THE SORTING AQUIFER AS RAW WATER SUPPLY TO BE ABLE TO PRODUCE. RIGHT. BUT YOU WERE SAYING IT WAS $40 MILLION OF PROJECTS. NO, BUT THAT'S HAPPENED TO BE 11.6 MILLION. I SAID I HAD FOUR CATEGORIES. I'M JUST PUTTING ONE IN A CATEGORY OF WELLS AND I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S ONE THAT I'D LIKE AN ANALYSIS DONE TO SEE IF WE HAD TWO DEEP AQUIFER WELLS THAT WERE BUILT EIGHT YEARS AGO AND IS SITTING THERE AND WE ARE STILL NOT USING THEM NOW WE'RE GOING TO BE CONNECTING THEM UP. IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IF YOU LOOK FROM 2020-2025, THAT THE GROWTH IS MATCHING ANYWHERE NEAR THE NAME OF WELLS WE WERE ADDED. I'M JUST ASKING THEM TAKE THEM BACK. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S EVER BEEN LOOKED AT BEFORE BECAUSE UP TO NOW, WE WERE FIXING ON BEING AT 30 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. NOW, ASSUMING YOU BUILD IT AND IT GETS PUT IN SERVICE, SOONER IT'S WEARING AND TEARING AND YOU NEED TO BE PUTTING ASIDE RENEWAL AND REPLACEMENT. THIS WOULD BE A STRATEGY FOR A COMPANY I WORKED FOR THAT WE WOULD DO THIS. I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE SAYING I WANT THEM TO COME BACK TO US, BE OPEN-MINDED ABOUT THAT, DEMONSTRATE TO ME WHY WE NEED ALL THOSE NEW WELLS. THESE TABLES IN THERE, ABOUT THEY DID IT. THEY KNOW WHAT THE CAPACITY IS NOW. WE KNOW WHAT'S NEEDED RIGHT ON HERE. WATER DEMAND, AVERAGE AND FINISHED WATER AND THEN YOU HAVE FINISHED WATER. IT'S FURTHER COMPLICATED AND I UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE THEY BALANCED BETWEEN THE FLORIDIAN AND THE SURFICIAL. I'M STILL CONVINCED THERE IS BILLIONS TO BE DIFFERED IN SPENDING BY NOT DOING IT AND I WANT THAT DONE. THAT'S JUST ONE CATEGORY. DAVID, I'M JUST GOING TO RUN THROUGH THEM. ARE YOU STILL IN 2023 OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER YEARS? NO. I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN. OKAY. BUT WE'RE ONLY REALLY LOOKING AT, WHAT WAS. THAT'S A FIVE-YEAR PLAN. SOME STUFF JUST CAME IN. BUT I'M SAYING IF WE WERE TO AGREE, THEY WERE TO AGREE, [01:20:03] WE DON'T NEED THOSE WELLS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET TO 30 MILLION GALLONS A DAY, THEN YOU WOULD NOT DO THEM. ARGUABLY, WHERE'S THE MONEY FOR THIS CONNECTION FEES THAT WE'RE NEVER GOING TO COLLECT BECAUSE WE CAN'T MEET THE DEMAND THAT THE DESIGN WAS FOR? >> I WAS LOOKING AT THE NEW WEALTH AS A MATTER OF ROTATION FROM THE [OVERLAPPING] FLORIDIAN BECAUSE THE DEEP AQUIFER IT'S DETERIORATING OVER TIME. I MEAN BEACH ISLAND. THEY'RE LOOKING AT A DESALINATION PLANT BECAUSE THEY PURCHASE ELSEWHERE. ALSO, WE'RE IN A PRETTY MAJOR DROUGHT NOW, SO I WOULD IMAGINE THIS SURFICIAL DROUGHT IS PRETTY GRIM AND WE'RE PROBABLY DRAWING FROM THE DEEPER WELLS NOW, I WOULD IMAGINE. IF WE DO HAVE HIGHER CAPACITY IS IT WORTHWHILE TO SELL WATER TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES FOR PROFIT. I DON'T KNOW. I LOOKED AT THE BIG PICTURE. BUT I'M WILLING TO [OVERLAPPING] >> TRADE ASIDE, THE NEXT TIME WE GET [OVERLAPPING] >> I'M INTERESTED. [OVERLAPPING] >> NO, I UNDERSTAND. >> BUT I LIKE TO LOOK AT ALL ANGLES [OVERLAPPING] >> I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I WASN'T BEING ARROGANT ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THEY MAY COME BACK AND TELL ME. I MAY LEARN. RIGHT NOW MY INTUITION IS SAYING THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE. HOW MUCH OF THAT OPPORTUNITY? I DON'T KNOW UNTIL STAFF GETS BACK. >> NO I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I MEAN I THINK THE ISSUE BEFORE US REALLY ARE THE PROJECTS FOR FY23, AND THAT WHEN WE GET TO THOSE OTHER PROJECTS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THEN WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT ANALYSIS AND TALK ABOUT THAT. BUT I REALLY DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS WHAT WAS REALLY BEFORE FOR US RIGHT NOW. >> WELL, WHAT GETS COMPLICATED WITH THIS IS SOME OF THESE PROJECTS ARE READY, THE FUNDING IS READY SITTING THERE. I WANT TO TIME-OUT ON THE WALL CONSTRUCTION. AGAIN, I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO NEED SOME WALL CONSTRUCTION, BUT TIMEOUT ON ALL OF IT TO MAKE SURE WE NEED IT ALL. SOMEONE SAY IN YEAR 25, DO WE REALLY NEED ALL OF THIS? LET'S LOOK AT THAT. [OVERLAPPING] >> WE'LL LOOK AT IT WHEN IT COMES UP. >> THIS WAS A COMMENT THAT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE US THE LAST TIME WE DID THE ROUNDTABLE. HIS STAFF HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND OR SHOULD WE GIVE [OVERLAPPING] >> NO, I HADN'T REALLY BROUGHT THIS ONE UP, I BELIEVE. >> I KNOW IT WAS A COMMENT ON DIFFERENT WELLS. [OVERLAPPING] >> I DON'T BELIEVE I BROUGHT IT UP IN THIS CONTEXT TO THIS. I'M JUST BRINGING IT UP AND I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO DIALOGUE WITH STAFF ABOUT IT. BUT I'M JUST SAYING, THE NEXT TIME WE GET TOGETHER, I'M HOPING THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE LOOKED AT WITH AN OPEN MIND TO DIFFER. BECAUSE AGAIN, I SHOWED YOU IN THE FIRST TABLE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO COLLECT ENOUGH CONNECTION FEES FOR THIS. IF THE TABLE HERE THAT THEY PRODUCE SAYS THAT SHE WAS GOING TO BE AT 80 PERCENT CAPACITY, THEN IT STANDS THE REASON SOME AMOUNT OF WALL WATER WELLS COULD BE DIFFERED. >> BUT THAT'S NOT THIS YEAR. >> THE BIGGER PROGRAM CHANGE IS A LOT OF OUR BUDGETING GOING FORWARD ANYWAY. >> MAYOR, IF IT HELPS WE'RE COMING BACK THE FIRST WEEK OF OCTOBER. I KNOW IT'S OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE ARE TALKING NOW, BUT WE'LL BE DOING THE MASTER PLAN UPDATE FIRST WEEK OF OCTOBER. WHICH IS FINE TUNING THAT PRESENTATION AT THE MOMENT. >> YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. BUT I'M SORRY, I JUST WANT TO QUICKLY GET TO THE FOUR CATEGORIES. THE NEXT CATEGORY WITH THE DEEP WELL INJECTION. I BELIEVE REASONABLY WE MAY NEED TO GO THERE. I'VE STAYED IN MY POSITION ON THAT BEFORE. WHEN YOU LOOK ON PAGE 102 IN THE CIP, YEAR NUMBER ONE, IT'S GOING TO TAKE A YEAR TO PERMIT IT. I'D BE OKAY WITH FUNDING PERMITTING AND ENGINEERING, BUT I WANT MYSELF AND I BELIEVE EVERYBODY ON THE COUNCIL THEY WANT TO PARTICIPATE TRYING TO WORK WITH LOCKSACHI RIVER DISTRICT AND MAKE SURE WE NEED TO SPEND 25 MILLION BUCKS. ALL I'M SAYING IS, I USED THAT EXAMPLE, THE OTHER ONE, INSTEAD OF EAR-MARKETING 23 MILLION DOLLARS AND THE CONSTRUCTION NEEDS TO HAPPEN BY 2026. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE MARKING SO MUCH IN 23. WHAT I COULD SUPPORT IS EARMARK MONEY WE NEED FOR ENGINEERING AND PERMITTING ONLY. BECAUSE I'M CONVINCED THAT THERE IS NO OTHER OPTION. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S THE WAY I THINK. NOTHING WRONG. YOU COULD THINK DIFFERENT, SAYING, WELL, LET'S HEAR MORE GET IN. I THINK I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M HOLDING ONTO SOME RAINS MORE BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S FULL SPEED AHEAD TO SPEND. [OVERLAPPING] >> IT'S ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY FOR STATE MONEY FOR A PROJECT LIKE THAT. IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE STARTED PURSUING, THAT'S THE TYPE OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROJECT I THINK THE STATE WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED IN CONTRIBUTING AND ALSO LOWER THE COST. >> NO, I UNDERSTAND. LOOK, I'M JUST GIVING YOU MY HIGH-LEVEL COMMENTS OF WHAT I'M NOT THE LINE ITEMS I'M NOT SUPPORTING. THEN THE METER REPLACEMENT PROGRAM WHICH HAS AN EXTRA FOUR MILLION DOLLARS, AND STAFF KNOWS THIS, THERE'S NOT A PAGE IN THE BOOK ON THAT. >> I'M SORRY, WHAT IS IT CALLED? >> THE METER REPLACEMENT PROGRAM. IT'S IN THE LINE ITEM. IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT THAT HAPPENED TO BE ONE JUST KNOW PAGE IN THE CIP BOOK. [01:25:01] BUT I KNOW IT CAME UP AT THE LAST MEETING AND I THINK SOME PEOPLE SUPPORTED IT. I'M NOT CONVINCED. BEFORE I'M GOING TO SUPPORT IT SOMEONE'S GOING TO HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT WE'RE REALLY GETTING FOR THAT FOUR MILLION DOLLAR INCREMENT. BUT THAT'S ANOTHER CATEGORY, THAT'S CATEGORY 3, AND THEN JUST CATEGORY 4 IS THE NANO-FILTRATION CONCENTRATE BLENDING. AGAIN, I MAY BE SUPPORTIVE OF IT, I'M PURSUING FURTHER CLARIFICATIONS ON THAT. I'M INTRIGUED BY IT, BUT I WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND THE CLAIM SAVINGS TO BE HAD WHETHER THOSE SAVINGS ARE REAL OR NOT. SO I'M WORKING ON THAT. IT'S JUST THOSE FOUR CATEGORIES THAT TOTAL UP TO 44 MILLION, THEY MAY TRANSLATE TO SOME SUBSET OF THAT, THAT I SUPPORT, BUT IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO COME IN FOR A LANDING. OTHERWISE, I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THAT LIKE EVERYBODY IS, THE FISCAL HEALTH HERE. THEN LASTLY, WHEN YOU REALIZE THE PROCESS, AND I'M SWITCHING THE STORMWATER UTILITY. WE GET THIS MASTER PLAN, BOTH OF THEM. STAFF AND THE CONSULTANTS DO THEIR JOB OF RECOMMENDING STUFF AND THEN IT COMES TO US TO DECIDE ON IT. I GOT TO TELL YOU I WAS ABSOLUTELY STUNNED WHEN YOU LOOK AT TABLE 7.2 IN THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN. THERE WAS A LINE ITEM BOX AFTER THE BACKWATERS NATURAL AREA. ITS WATER QUALITY IMPROVEMENTS FOR 6.4 MILLION DOLLARS. NOW, IT DIDN'T MAKE IT INTO THE BUDGET PLAN BECAUSE IT WAS HELD BACK BY THE TOWN MANAGER AND STAFF. BUT NONETHELESS, IT WAS IN THE BOOK AS A RECOMMENDED PROJECT. THAT IS THE TAYLOR PROPERTY. >> YEAH. I KNOW. >> WELL, BUT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THAT. TO ME I JUST MY GOSH. HOW DO THESE THINGS TAKE ON THAT LIFE? I'M THE ONE THAT WENT AHEAD AND GOT THE TAYLOR PROPERTY, AND I NEVER WOULD HAVE IMAGINED THAT INVESTMENTS. WE NOW HAVE A PARTNER IN THAT. TO ME IT WAS STUNNING. I NEVER KNEW THERE WAS AN ISSUE THAT WE HAD TO DEAL WITH TO THAT EXTENT. I THINK YOU HAD IT AS A LINE ITEM OR MAYBE IT WASN'T BUT LIVING SHORELINE IS WHAT HAD BEEN THERE. BUT I'M JUST POINTING OUT THAT THAT'S WHY, WHEN WE GET THESE MASTER PLANS, BOY THERE'S A LOT TO DIGEST. BUT WHEN THEY COME ACROSS LIKE THEY'RE IN ON A RECOMMENDED LIST, I'M JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M ASSERTING. THAT'S WHY I COULD NEVER APPROVE THE BOOK BECAUSE WHAT DOES IT REALLY MEAN WHEN WE HAVE EMBEDDED PROJECTS AT THAT SIZE? MY GOSH, WE HAVE NO MONEY IN THE STORM WATER UTILITY. WHY ARE YOU STILL DREAMING OF PROJECTS TO SPEND ON? WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT AT SOME POINT IN TIME. BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S ALL I HAD ON THE UTILITY. I JUST WANTED TO FRAME. NONETHELESS, LOOK, THEY PROVIDED A PLAN AND SOME MONEY. BUT I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE HOW I WOULD EVER COME AROUND BELIEVING THAT THAT'S AN INVESTMENT THAT WE WOULD NEED AS A COMMUNITY, NEVER HAVING HEARD ABOUT THE NEED FOR THAT BEFORE. >> TAYLOR PROPERTY? >> YEAH. I AGREE THAT SHOULDN'T BE IN THERE NOW BECAUSE WE ALL NEED TO DISCUSS THAT AND SOMETHING SHOULD BE DONE DOWN THERE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING, BUT I THINK WE COULD DO SOME WATER IMPROVEMENT. I SAW SOME PLANS FORWARD A FEW MONTHS AGO AND IT LOOKED GOOD, BUT I THINK WE ALL NEED TO DISCUSS THAT. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT AND THAT IS UP AND DOWN THE ROAD, IT'S NOT URGENT. BUT I THINK IT COULD BE BENEFICIAL. [OVERLAPPING] >> AGAIN, THAT'S NOT IN THE PLAN, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT. BUT THAT'S WHY EVERY ONE OF THESE TWO MILLION HERE, FIVE MILLION 23, I JUST FEEL LIKE I'M COMPELLED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND REALLY WHAT WE'RE GETTING FOR IT, KNOWING THAT WE HAVE FINANCIAL LIMITATIONS. NO, THAT WAS IT. I HAVE ONE ON THE RIGHT AND BUT THAT'S ONLY A UTILITY. YOU HAD SOME COMMENTS YOU WANTED TO MAKE. YOU SAID YOU HOLD THEM TO THE END. >> AFTER. OKAY. >> WE'RE AT THE END. >> FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROJECTS. THESE ARE THE TOWNS CAPITAL PROJECTS, AND JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF RESIDENTS, WE'VE SEEN THIS QUITE A BIT AND WE'VE DISCUSSED IT QUITE A BIT WITH STAFF AND WE ARE SO GRATEFUL FOR STAFF. I CAN'T IMAGINE THE HUNDREDS OF PAGES THAT GO INTO THIS AND THE BRIEFINGS FOR ALL OF US. FOR RESIDENCE ALSO JUST BEING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS DAIS LAST YEAR, I DID PAGE THROUGH THEM AND THEY'RE WONDERFUL TO SEE FOR RESIDENTS TO GO IN AS A RESOURCE. THEY'RE ATTACHED ON THE AGENDA. YOU CAN SEE A PHOTO OF THE POLICE MEMORIAL OF WHAT'S PLANNED THERE, OF PLAYGROUNDS BEING RENOVATED. THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE SEE IN OUR COMMUNITY. IT'S A REALLY WONDERFUL THING. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS WELL, THAT WE CAN DISCUSS TONIGHT, [01:30:01] AND IT'S THE CIP, BUT IT'S ALSO THE MILLAGE RATES AND THOUGHTS ON MILLAGE RATE AT THIS COUNCIL AND HOW WE PLAN TO SUPPORT STAFF, AND I DID OFFER A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ON THAT EARLIER. I HAD ALREADY SAID THIS, BUT LOOKING AT THE MILLAGE RATE, HOW OUR MILLAGE RATE HAS BEEN LOWER THAN OTHER NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES. I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A COMMENT ON HOW THEY COULD BE. YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT ALSO JUST OUR RECREATION REVENUES HAVEN'T RECOVERED. IT'S INTERESTING THAT OUR EVALUATION WENT UP FROM 10.89 PERCENT TO 13.11 PERCENT AS THE TOWN FROM JUNE UNTIL NOW. IT'S A VERY DYNAMIC SITUATION. THINGS HAVE CHANGED SO MUCH SINCE JUNE. THAT SAID WITH THAT INCREASE IN VALUATION, OUR GENERAL FUND REVENUES ARE DOWN, WHICH COULD BE SURPRISING. I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO THINK THIS THROUGH, THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION IS UP. SHOULD THERE BE A HURRICANE? I REMEMBER IN 2004, 2005, IT WASN'T A DIRECT HIT, BUT THAT WAS $11 MILLION TO THE TOWN. THAT IN TODAY'S DOLLARS IS SOMETHING LIKE 17 MILLION. THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY, AND I THINK RIGHT NOW, WE NEED TO ALSO LOOK AT HOW WE'RE GOING TO SUPPORT STAFF. BECAUSE IF WE ARE GOING TO BE ON THE MORE GENEROUS SIDE, THEY'RE LINKED. WE CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS, AND IF WE REDUCE THE MILLAGE AND PROVIDE MORE GENEROUS SUPPORT TO STAFF, I'D WANT TO KNOW AGAIN, I'M NOT TOO WORRIED ABOUT THIS YEAR. BUT AGAIN, THAT COMPOUNDING EFFECT AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE LONG-TERM PLAN AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THAT DOWN THE ROAD. SCOTT, YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT, I THINK UNDER THE PREVIOUS TOWN MANAGER THERE WAS THAT PROJECTION OF, AT SOME POINT OUR EXPENSES WILL EXCEED OUR REVENUES. CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT FOR A SECOND? >> YES. AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE LOOKED AT THAT MODEL THIS YEAR TOO EVEN INCLUDING THE 13.11 PERCENT INCREASE. WHEN WE START LOOKING AT THAT MODEL BASED ON HISTORICAL AVERAGES. THAT'S ALL WE'RE USING TO LOOK FORWARD AS FAR AS WHAT OUR EXPENDITURE PERCENTAGE IS MOVING FORWARD AND THEN OUR BASE REVENUES. NOW, WE'VE HAD THIS 13.11 PERCENT INCREASE IN THE VALUATIONS. AS YOU JUST INDICATED, WHAT WE'RE INDICATING, ROLLING FORWARD IS MOST LIKELY THAT WILL BE AROUND AN EIGHT PERCENT INCREASE NEXT YEAR, ROLLING DOWN TO ABOUT FIVE PERCENT AND THEN STARTING TO LEVEL OFF IN THOSE OUTWARD YEARS OF OUR NORMAL, WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER NORMAL OF THE 4.5 PERCENT GROWTH IN THE VALUATIONS ROLLING FORWARD TO WHAT WE'VE SEEN HISTORICALLY. WE ALL KNOW THAT THE TOWN HAS BUILT OUT. WE'VE SHOWN THOSE MODELS TO YOU, SHOWING THAT THERE'S ABOUT ONLY ONE PERCENT OF NEW CONSTRUCTION IN THERE. WHEN YOU START PUTTING THOSE TOGETHER, AS FAR AS WHAT WE'RE ASSUMING FOR GROWTH AND REVENUE, GROWTH AND EXPENDITURES BASED ON HISTORICAL AVERAGES, YOU START RUNNING A DEFICIT IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS. NOW, AS YOU'VE INDICATED, WE'VE HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. WE'VE LOOKED AT THESE THINGS. WHAT WE WILL TELL YOU IS, NUMBER ONE, WE CAN'T RUN A DEFICIT AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, WE JUST CAN'T DO THAT. WE WILL FIGURE IT OUT. BUT THE POSSIBILITY IS REAL THAT IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS WE MAY HAVE TO START MAKING SOME DECISIONS. EITHER SOME NEW REVENUE SOURCES WILL COME ONLINE, WHICH WE ARE CONSTANTLY LOOKING FOR, OR SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO HAPPEN WITH THE EXPENDITURE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. BUT WE ALWAYS HAVE OPTIONS. LOOKING HISTORICALLY, ESPECIALLY IF THERE IS A ROUGH PERIOD, WE HAVE A RECESSION, WHICH WE HAD A VERY DEEP RECESSION IN THIS COUNTRY WITH THE HOUSING BUBBLE HERE LOCALLY, WE HAD DOESN'T MAKE SOME VERY TOUGH DECISIONS HERE IN JUPITER, THAT WAS BEFORE MY TIME OF WORKING HERE, BUT WE ACTUALLY HAD TO LAY SOME PEOPLE OFF. THAT WAS NOT VERY FUN TIME. WE DON'T LIKE TO TALK ABOUT FIRE AND BRIMSTONE AND THOSE DECISIONS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE. BUT THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE COULD DO. MEANING THAT IF WE HAVE TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT GOES OVER TO CAPITAL TO FUND THE GENERAL FUND OPERATING, INCREASE UTILITY RATES. JUST LIKE WE'RE DOING HERE DUE TO RECESSIONARY PRESSURES. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE CAN DO, BUT JUST LOOKING FORWARD ON OUR MODEL BASED ON THE HISTORICAL GROWTH PATTERNS, [01:35:05] WITH THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, WE COULD BE IN A DEFICIT SITUATION. I KNOW THAT WAS A LONG ANSWER. >> WE DID DEDUCE IN THAT TIME PERIOD YOU TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE HIT RAN ACROSS THOSE TOUGH TIMES, WE DID DECIDE, ALL CAPITALS SPEND ENLARGE PART IS DISCRETIONARY, AND WE BACKED DOWN FROM THE 8515 AND WE'RE 9010, AND I SAID, WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IN THE SHORT-TERM BECAUSE THAT PUTS MORE TO OPERATING, AND THEN THINGS PICKED UP AGAIN AND THEN WE WENT BACK TO THE 8515, JUST HAS HISTORICALLY WORKED. IN LARGE PART WHEN A SURTAX FUND CAME, SOME OF US HAVE BEEN HERE, THOUGHT IT'S THE ONE OPPORTUNITY TO FUND THAT, WHICH WE'D NEVER WOULD OTHERWISE GET INTO 15 PERCENT. WHEN YOU REALLY LOOK AT THE WE HAD THE PARKS, ALL THAT GOT CONSTRUCTED, IN THE IMPACT FEE DAYS WHEN ALL NEW GROWTH AND WHATEVER. WE THINK WE'D BEEN STEWARDS THAT WAY. BUT I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST FUTURE BE DIFFERENT. >> ONE OF THE THINGS THEY EMPHASIZE TOO, WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION LAST YEAR. WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT THE AMOUNT OF AD VALOREM TAXES THAT COME IN, THE MAIN PRIORITY OF THE TOWN IS PUBLIC SAFETY. WE'D LIKE TO CORRELATE THAT THE AD VALOREM DOLLARS THAT ARE COMING IN TO FUND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THAT IS OUR PRIMARY AGENCY FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE EXPENDITURES IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHAT WE'RE FUNDING IN THE OPERATIONAL PIECE FOR THE AD VALOREM, THOSE TWO COINCIDE WITH ONE ANOTHER. THAT IS OUR PRIMARY DRIVER. WE DON'T EVER WANT TO REDUCE THOSE RESOURCES OVER IN PUBLIC SAFETY. IN FACT WE WANT TO ENHANCE OR BUILD ON THEM. GOING FORWARD, WE HOPE THAT THE AD VALOREM CONTINUES TO GO UP. BUT WHEN WE START TO HAPPEN TO MAKE THOSE DIFFICULT DECISIONS OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS, OBVIOUSLY PUBLIC SAFETY COMES NUMBER ONE. THAT MEANS SOME DIFFICULT DECISIONS WHEN IT COMES TO FUNDING OF CAPITAL PROJECTS, AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. THOSE ARE EASY. THAT'S LOW-HANGING FRUIT TO BACKFILL FOR THOSE DEFICITS THAT COULD BE COMING OUR WAY. ULTIMATELY, I WOULD IMAGINE AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, THE THING THAT'S VERY VISIBLE FOR THE PUBLIC THAT YOU'RE SERVING IS THE CAPITAL PROGRAM. ITS ROADS, IT'S SIDEWALKS, BRIDGES, PARKS. [NOISE] WE DO HAVE THE SURTAX FUNDING. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT. THAT'S A 10-YEAR WINDOW. ONCE THOSE FUNDS ARE GONE, THEY'RE GONE UNLESS THE CITIZENS DECIDE THAT THEY WANT TO CONTINUE THAT. BUT ONCE THAT PROGRAM IS OVER, THEN IT WILL BE TOTALLY ON THE TOWN, DECIDE HOW TO FUND SOME OF THESE BIGGER PROJECTS. CRA WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. YES, 2035. THAT SEEMS LIKE A LONG TIME. BUT ULTIMATELY, LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, WE'LL BE STANDING ON OUR OWN AT THE END OF THAT LIFE AND THE TOWN WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT. WE DO HAVE A VERY LOW MILLAGE RATE. I WOULD IMAGINE AS ELECTED OFFICIALS BEING IN A POSITION WHERE YOU MAY BE ASKED TO INCREASE THE MILLAGE RATE, THAT'S A VERY DIFFICULT DECISION FOR YOU TO HAVE TO MAKE, AND YOU'D HAVE TO ANSWER TO THE TO THE CITIZENS IF WE EVER GET INTO THAT SITUATION. [NOISE] I DON'T WANT TO FIRE AND BRIMSTONE BECAUSE WE WILL FIGURE IT OUT. WE ALWAYS HAVE. BUT THOSE THINGS ARE REAL. >> I REMEMBER I WAS LOOKING IN THE ACFR AND IN THE HISTORY. THE LAST TIME THIS TOWN HAS RAISED A MILLAGE RATE, THAT WAS IN 2007, 2008, RIGHT BEFORE THE RECESSION, IS THAT RIGHT? SORRY, WE LOWERED IT. [OVERLAPPING] >> WE LOWERED IT. >> LIKE BEFORE AND THEN WE HAD TO RAISE IT AND THE TOTAL MILLAGE ENDED UP GOING UP TO PRE-SUBSTANTIAL. YEAH. >> YES, TO MAKE UP FOR THOSE DEFICITS. THAT'S CORRECT. >> HOW LONG HAVE WE HAD THE FLAT MILLAGE RATE? >> I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT FOR A WHILE, AND THEN IT WAS IN 2016, WE REDUCED IT AGAIN. >> I MEAN, AGAIN I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT HOW WE'RE GOING TO APPROACH THE BONUS AND PERCENTAGE, AND I THINK THOSE TWO ARE LINKED. BUT I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE RIGHT NOW KEEPING THE MILLAGE RATE FLAT FOR ALL THESE REASONS THAT I'M READING AND THE NEWS I'M BEING TOLD AND LEARNING. WHAT MAKES OUR TOWN, WHAT MAKES JUPITER DIFFERENT? I THINK WHEN YOU SEE THIS VALUATION, OF COURSE, WE WANT TO REDUCE THE MILLAGE. OF COURSE, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND BE IN THE POSITION TO DO THAT. BUT WHAT MAKES JUPITER DIFFERENT FROM OTHER MUNICIPALITIES? I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR MILLAGE COMPARED TO OTHERS AND HOW WE HAVE APPROACHED THIS. [01:40:04] THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE PROVIDE. IF YOU LOOK AT OUR CITIZENS' SURVEY AND THE LEVEL OF SERVICE WE PROVIDE AT THAT, LOWER MILEAGE IS REALLY IMPRESSIVE. AGAIN, THE STABILITY OF RATES AND A WORLD OF DEEP UNCERTAINTY CAN BE COMFORTING AND A PRUDENT APPROACH. THAT'S WHERE I WOULD STAND RIGHT NOW. IN TERMS OF SUPPORTING STAFF, I DO LIKE PERCENTAGES. I DO THINK 2,800 IS A LOT IF THERE'S A WAY TO MOVE SOME OF THAT INTO MAYBE FIVE PERCENT WITH A LOWER BONUS. THIS HAS BEEN THE HARDEST PART FOR ME. I REALLY STRUGGLED WITH THIS A LOT, SO I'VE WELCOMED OTHER COMMENTS. WITH THAT, THESE ARE THE ITEMS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE CONVERSATION ON, UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ALL STAND. THAT'S WHERE I'VE BEEN THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS. >> I AGREE WITH YOU ON THE MILLAGE. I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT LORI. NOW, I ALREADY KNOW THAT PRICES ON RESIDENTIAL REAL ESTATE ARE STARTING TO SOFTEN A LITTLE BIT. THEY'RE TRYING TO GO DOWN. YOU COULD HAVE THAT DIP. THEN WE LOVED THE MILLAGE RATE AND THEN WHAT'S THE IMPACT ON THE OVERALL REVENUES FOR WHAT WE NEED TO OPERATE THE TOWN. THAT IS A CONCERN FOR ME AS WELL. I'D RATHER PROCEED WITH CAUTION BECAUSE WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING. EVERYTHING IS STILL VERY UNSTABLE RIGHT NOW. MAYBE THE SITUATION IS DIFFERENT NEXT YEAR AND WE FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE AND WE CAN LOOK AT IT, BUT I'M NOT SO SURE. RIGHT NOW I DON'T KNOW HOW COMFORTABLE I AM WITH THAT IN TERMS OF DOING THINGS FOR STAFF. I'M A LITTLE MORE COMFORTABLE IN HAVING THE FOUR PERCENT WITH $2,800 SUBSIDY BECAUSE AT $2,800 IS A ONE-TIME THING THAT COMES OUT OF RESERVES DOESN'T IMPACT THE OPERATING BUDGET. I'M JUST VERY NERVOUS ABOUT DOING THINGS THAT IMPACT THE OPERATING BUDGET RIGHT NOW BECAUSE COST OF EVERYTHING HAS CONTINUED TO GO UP. I JUST WANT TO BE CAUTIOUS, FIND A WAY TO SHOW SUPPORT, BUT ALSO PROTECT OUR ABILITY TO DO ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO, INCLUDING FUNDING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR IF THEY NEED EXTRA CARS, IF THEY NEED THESE THINGS, WE NEED TO HAVE THE MONEY THERE TO BE ABLE TO DO IT. I COULD HAVE ANOTHER OPINION A COUPLE OF WEEKS, BUT RIGHT NOW, I WOULD NEED TO HEAR COUNTER-ARGUMENT ABOUT TAKING A MORE RISKY APPROACH BY LOWERING THE MILLAGE RATE. I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO SUPPORT STAFF. THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH A LOT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO SHOW HOW MUCH WE APPRECIATE THEM AND WE KNOW THEY DO A FANTASTIC JOB. I WANT TO DO SOMETHING, BUT I WANT TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S ALSO SMART LITTLE ON THE CAUTIOUS SIDE. >> EVERY YEAR I WANTED TO LOWER THE MILLAGE RATE. BUT YOU FOLKS KNOW THAT THEN COVID HIT AND THE ECONOMY WAS EVERYBODY WAS GETTING MONEY FROM THE FEDS AND SOME MONEY AND ALL THAT. WE'VE KEPT IT FLAT. I THINK IT'S BEEN FLAT FOR FIVE YEARS. >> SINCE 2016. >> I THINK FIRST OR SECOND YEAR I WAS ON COUNCIL AND WE LOWERED IT A TICK. >> YES. >> I THINK WE LOWER IT THIS YEAR. IT'S A SYMBOLIC. IT'S ONLY PER HOUSEHOLD, IT'S LIKE 38, 40 BUCKS. BUT THE PROBLEMS I SEE IS WE'RE BUILT OUT. EVERYTHING WE DO IN THE FUTURE IS GOING TO SHIFT A LITTLE BIT. THE ECONOMY IS MORE THAN SLOWING DOWN, WE HAVE TWO LARGE CONTRACTS COMING UP, MSU AND PVA. WE HAVE SUPPLY CHAIN INCREASES. I DON'T SEE THAT BACKING OFF AT ALL. WE HAVE ACCELERATED INFLATION. I KNOW WHAT THEY SAY DIPPED OR FLATTENED OUT THIS PAST MONTH, BUT I AM STILL LEERY OF THAT. I THINK THIS YEAR I'M IN FAVOR OF KEEPING THE MILLAGE FLAT. OUR FIRST OBLIGATION IS ELECTED OFFICIALS AS PUBLIC SAFETY. THAT'S MAINLY WHAT THE MILLAGE IS. WE REALLY NEED TO CONCENTRATE ON THAT. IT'S ALSO, THIS IS JUPITER IS QUALITY OF LIFE AND WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO KEEP OUR PARKS AND OUR ROADS, AND PEOPLE EXPECT SOMETHING OUT OF WHAT WE DO UP HERE. I THINK PROBABLY FOR NOW MY MIND COULD CHANGE, BUT I WOULD GO WITH A FLAT MILLAGE RATE. BUT I MIGHT BE OPEN TO I KNOW STAFF RECOMMENDED THE FOUR PERCENT INCREASE, BUT MAYBE THE SIX OR MAYBE FIVE, MAYBE. I'M OPEN TO TALKING ABOUT DISCUSSION ON THAT. BECAUSE EVERYWHERE I GO IN TOWN, I DON'T CARE HOW MUCH MONEY PEOPLE HAVE, AND I KNOW SOME WELL-TO-DO PEOPLE, EVERYBODY IS WHINING ABOUT HOW EXPENSIVE PUBLIC IS, AND IT'S JUST EVERYTHING. THE COSTS ARE JUST. >> IS NOT THEIR FAULT. >> IT'S INCREDIBLE. >> ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO HELP THE EMPLOYEES. [01:45:02] I ALWAYS SAY THE PUBLIC SECTOR SHOULD REFLECT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. BECAUSE YOU'RE USING PUBLIC SECTOR MONEY TO FUND THE PRIVACY, OR VICE VERSA TO FUND THE TOWN EMPLOYEES. BUT I THINK IT'S HARD TO TELL WHAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE BECAUSE A LOT OF PLACES CAN'T FIND EMPLOYEES, PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO WORK. I THINK THIS YEAR I'M WILLING TO LOOK AT EVEN MAYBE GO UP TO FIVE OR SIX PERCENT IN SALARY INCREASE. IT'S A VERY STRANGE TIME. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT SOUNDS COHERENT ENOUGH, BUT I JUST THINK OUR FOLKS NEED A BREAK, THEY WORK HARD AND THEY DESERVE IT. I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THEY'VE DONE. >> I WOULD LOOK AT FIVE THEN AT BEYOND THAT, I HAVE TO REALLY SEE WHAT THE IMPACT IS EVERYWHERE ELSE. BUT AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO BE CAUTIOUS. >> ONE MORE THING AND BACK TO ALL THE WORK YOU FOLKS DID ON ALL THESE REPORTS AND THE BUDGET. IT'S EVERY YEAR, YOU GUYS DO A FANTASTIC JOB. I THINK I TOLD YOU, MIKE, THAT YOU MAKE FINANCE FUND. [LAUGHTER]. >> I'M GOING TO TAKE THAT RECORDING, I'M GOING TO PLAY IT FOR MY STAFF. >> WHERE'S MY CASIO TERRORIZING THE WESTERN RV OR WHERE'S MY? >> YEAH, HE'S ACTUALLY UP IN NORTH CAROLINA WITH HIS DAUGHTER RIGHT NOW. I HAVEN'T SEEN HIM IN A WHILE. ANYWAY, THANKS. >> APPRECIATE IT. LET'S JUMP. >> IN JUST TO ECHO WHAT EVERYONE IS SAYING MAINTAINING A FLAT MILEAGE IS THE SECOND BEST THING YOU CAN DO. OBVIOUSLY, THE FIRST BEST THING YOU CAN DO IS LOWER THE MILLAGE RATE. BUT GOING FORWARD WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE, NO ONE HAS A CRYSTAL BALL, SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT YEAR SO MANY THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN. I SAID AT THE LAST MEETING THAT I SUPPORT MAINTAINING THE FLAT RATE BECAUSE IF WE DROP IT, IT'S A NOMINAL DECREASE FOR THE RESIDENTS AND A LARGE DECREASE FOR THE TOWN. MAINTAINING THAT FLAT RATE I FEEL IS PRUDENT GOING FORWARD BECAUSE THE LAST THING I WOULD WANT TO DO IS LOWER THE MILLAGE THIS YEAR, THE NEXT YEAR HAVE TO JUMP IT UP EVEN MORE AND REALLY PUT A HURTING ON PEOPLE. MAINTAIN THAT FLAT RATE, I THINK IS THE MOST FINANCIALLY SOUND THING TO DO. I'M SUPPORTIVE OF LOOKING AT THE FIVE OR SIX PERCENT AS WELL. PEOPLE ARE HURTING. I SEE IT IN MY LINE OF WORK EVERYWHERE. I GOT GUYS THAT I WORKED WITH THAT, THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE IN A PLACE THAT THEY WANT TO LIVE. AS SOMEONE WHO'S A FIRST RESPONDER THAT'S SADDENING TO SEE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PEOPLE WHO WORK SO HARD FOR THIS TOWN BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO LIVE IN THIS TOWN. GIVING THEM THAT EXTRA PAY BUMP TO HELP THEM OUT. MY FIELD GOES A LONG WAY AND LIKE I SAID, INCREASE INTO THE 2,800 AND PULLING THAT FROM THE FUND BALANCE SO IT DOESN'T AFFECT OUR GENERAL OPERATING. I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT AS WELL. >> WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A MAJORITY CONSENSUS ON THE FLAT MILLAGE RATE. JUST TO COUPLE THINGS I JUST WANT TO SAY, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO INFLUENCE BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE ARE PRETTY MINDSET. NUMBER 1, SOME YEARS AGO I BENCHMARKED EVERY SINGLE MUNICIPALITY IN THE COUNTY AND I TRIED TO UNDERSTAND, AND BOY, I REALLY LEARNED A LOT FROM THAT. THAT'S WHERE I LEARNED THE EXAMPLE THAT THE GARDENS DOESN'T HAVE UTILITY TAX, IT'S JUST AMAZING HOW THE DIFFERENCES ARE. ONE OF THE THINGS ON THE MILLAGE RATE IS THAT, AND THAT IS ONE INDICATOR AND WE CHOOSE TO USE THAT. BUT I ALSO LOOKED AT IT FROM DALLAS PER RESIDENT BECAUSE I WAS LIKE HYPOTHESIZE AND IS IT REALLY LIKE IF IT'S 50,000 RESIDENTS, ISN'T IT THE SAME? I WAS STUNNED WITH WHERE THAT PUT US DIFFERENTLY. IF YOU THINK IN TERMS OF SERVICING A PERSON, I WAS STUNNED. WE WERE NOWHERE NEAR WHAT I THOUGHT WHEN YOU LOOKED AT IT THAT WAY. SEPARATELY, I'LL SAY IN YEARS PAST, I HATE TO SAY THIS, BUT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE MEANING ANYMORE. BUT IT USED TO BE WHEN WE HAD NEWSPAPERS, THAT CUPBOARD STUFF AND IT WAS ALMOST INTERESTING THE MUNICIPALITIES, FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY WANTED TO BE KIND, THEY WOULD REPORT MILLAGE RATE FLAT. THEN I'M TELLING YOU A TRUE STORY BUT THE OTHER HALF THEY WANTED TO RIP. THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH AD VALOREM TAXES WENT UP. THE FACT IS THAT IS THE MORE PURE INDICATOR IS HOW MUCH AD VALOREM TAXES ARE GOING UP. AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL TOUGH DECISIONS AND WE ALL HAVE TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION FOR HOW WE FEEL WE WERE COMMITTED IN OR WHATEVER. BUT PALM BEACH COUNTY IS LOWERING THEIR MILLAGE RATE. [01:50:03] I DON'T REMEMBER EVER GETTING A 13 PERCENT BOOST. IT'S INCREDIBLE AND OUR PUBLIC IS SUFFERING AND I ALMOST FEEL GUILTY LIKE I'M GOING TO HOLD THE LINE BECAUSE I HAVE TO RAISE IT A YEAR OR TWO FROM NOW. I'M OKAY WITH THAT BECAUSE THEY JUST MEANT I WAS DOING MY PART, IS THE WAY I WAS LOOKING AT IT. I'M NOT ADVOCATING I'M JUST EXPLAINING. ANYWAY, AND THE OTHER THING IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT IS IN THE SHEET WHICH WE HAD ON THE MILLAGE REDUCTION OPTION JUST LOOKED DOWN TO THE IMPACT TO RESIDENTS. MANY OF US BENEFIT FROM SEVERAL HOMES. THAT'S THE HOMESTEAD. QUITE FRANKLY, AND I'M IN THAT CATEGORY AND BOY, WE'RE BLESSED BECAUSE WE'RE NOT PAYING AS MUCH TAXES AS ANYWHERE NEAR OUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR OR PEOPLE THAT MOVED TO THE AREA SOON. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE SET UP FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS. LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE. THE NEW VALUE FROM SALE WAS 13 PERCENT. HOWEVER YOU DIVIDE THAT. I THINK FOR YEARS GOING FORTH AS YOU GET PEOPLE LEAVING, INHERENTLY THAT IS A PIECE OF THE ESCALATION THAT WE'LL HAVE WHILE SAVING HOMES. QUITE FRANKLY, THE THREE PERCENT IS NOT WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS I LOOK AT IT LIKE THIS, THE SAME WITH SOMEBODY THAT JUST BOUGHT A NEW HOUSE AND THEY'RE GOING UP 13 PERCENT. THEY'RE GOING TO GO UP 10 PER CENT, STILL HIGH. BUT AT LEAST I'M BEING MINDFUL THAT ALL OF US SHOULD WORRY ABOUT THAT. I'M SURE WE DO. BUT ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT PERSPECTIVE. NONE OF THIS COMES EASY. I'VE JUST GONE INTO IT. G THE COUNTY, WHEN YOU SAY WHO ELSE HAS ONE OF THE MUNICIPALITY? I DON'T KNOW YET. BUT COUNTY DID. IN FACT, THEY DID THE TRIM RATE ON THAT SO THERE'S NO GOING BACK FROM THAT AND WE'RE GOING TO COME IN FOR LANDING AT WHATEVER WE'RE GOING TO COME IN AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S FLAT, BUT I STILL WANT TO SEE THE TOTALITY OF THE NUMBERS MYSELF. I DON'T HAVE THOSE HERE. BUT IT WAS A GOAL I HAD SET. I'M JUST GOING TO LEAVE IT AT THAT AND I SAID SOMETHING UP TO THREE PERCENT. LEE AND MYSELF AND OPENING BUT ENOUGH SAID, I THINK IF THERE'S ANY THING ELSE, OTHERWISE, WE NOW HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS. [Public Comments] I MOVE TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS. >> WE HAVE TWO, FIRST IS ANDREW WESTON AND THEN KIM NASH. >> PAGE 132 IN YOUR BIBLE THERE. GOOD EVENING. HONORABLE MAYOR, TOWN COUNCIL, STAFF. I APPRECIATE YOU GETTING DOLPHIN DRIVE IN THERE AND WE'VE MADE THE HEADLINE IN THAT GROUP. BUT THE STORM WATER NUMBER IN THERE IS ONLY A $136,000, SO IT'S NOT THAT BIG. MY ISSUE, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PICTURE YOU'VE GOT HERE ON THE LOCATION, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO PUT THE STORM WATER DRAIN. IT'S HARD TO SEE THIS IF YOU BLOW THAT UP. I REALLY HAD TO BLOW IT UP. THERE'S A DARK LINE THAT GOES RIGHT DOWN TO IT. THAT'S THE CENTER LINE FOR THE ROAD. YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THE WEST SIDE, THE LEFT SIDE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT, IT'S A LOT SMALLER THAN THE ONE ON THE RIGHT SIDE. I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET EVERYBODY TO WIDEN THIS ROAD AND THEY'RE GOING TO PUT THE STORM WATER DRAIN LINE IN THE CATCH BASINS WHERE THE ROAD SHOULD BE. I LIKE YOUR IDEA OF MAYOR ABOUT DOING THIS INCREMENTALLY. WHY DON'T YOU JUST WIDEN THE ROAD RIGHT THERE AND SEE HOW THAT GOES AND PUT THAT STORM DRAIN AND THE CATCH BASINS WHERE THEY SHOULD BE. WE'VE GOT AT LEAST 20 FEET. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW ABOUT THE INCIDENT ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO WHERE SOME KIDS STOLE A CAR, GENIUSES THAT THEY ARE, THEY'RE BEING CHASED BY THE JUPITER TOWN POLICE. THEY TURNED LEFT ON DOLPHIN AND THERE THEY WENT AND THEY HIT THIS NARROW ROAD AND WHEN THEY'RE ABOUT THREE HOUSES IN THE WILLOUGHBY, HE RAN OFF THE ROAD IN FRONT AND MARY WILLOUGHBY HAPPENED TO BE STANDING OUT THERE, AND HE JUST SCARED THE HELL OUT OF HER. TOOK OUT PATRICIA'S MAILBOX AND HE CAME ALL THE WAY DOWN WITH THE POLICE CHASING HIM. HE LANDED ON MY ROYAL PALM OUT IN THE FRONT YARD AND I LOOK AT THE, I'M JUST LIKE, [01:55:01] OH, YEAH, THERE'S SEVEN POLICE CARS IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE AND THAT'S WHAT I COULD SEE JUST OUT THE WINDOW. NOW, DAVID'S TELLING HIM HE'S GOING TO ALTER THE SWALES. WHAT THAT MEANS IS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A DITCH GOING DOWN THE SIDE OF THE ROADS AND WE'RE ALREADY DRIVING ON THE GRASS AND WE GET CARS OUT GOING IN THOSE DITCHES. IT'S JUST GOING TO BE UNSAFE. WE REALLY NEED TO GET THIS ROAD WIDENED. WE PAY OUR TAXES FOR THAT. IT'S BEEN OVER 50 YEARS SINCE THIS PLATT WAS FILED AND WE DON'T HAVE A RIGHT-OF-WAY ACQUISITION PROBLEM HERE BECAUSE YOU ALREADY OWN IT. JUST ADD TWO, FOUR FEET, WHATEVER. IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS DRAINAGE AND GO AHEAD WITH IT, YOU CAN DO IT RIGHT THERE AS A START. I SUPPORT YOU ON KEEPING THE MILLAGE RATE FLAT. SORRY MAYOR ABOUT THAT ONE. BUT THANK YOU. >> KIM NASH. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS KIM NASH AND I AM ONE OF THE OWNERS OF ALMAR JACKSON POOLS ON 1461 CYPRUS DRIVE IN JUPITER. MY DAD BOUGHT THE BUSINESS BACK IN 1990. WE'VE BEEN IN THE SAME BUILDING SINCE THE '70S WHEN IT WAS STARTED BY ALBANIA AND MARION WIGGINS ON CYPRUS DRIVE. I'M HERE TO SUPPORT ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT'S IN THE BUDGET, WHICH IS THE CYPRUS DRIVE REVITALIZATION GRANT PROGRAM. ALSO THERE'S A STORM WATER PORTION OF THAT AS WELL. I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE ROADS SINCE I PRETTY MUCH GREW UP THERE AND WE'RE PLANNING ON STAYING THERE FOR THE LONG RUN, HOPEFULLY FOR MANY GENERATIONS TO COME. OUR BUILDING WAS BUILT IN THE '70S AND IT WAS BEFORE. THERE WERE A LOT OF THE RULES THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH TODAY AND THEREFORE WE'RE CONCRETE TO CONCRETE. THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO PERMEABLE GROUND, NOWHERE FOR WATER TO GO. WE'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF MEETING WITH SOME OF YOUR STAFF WITH STEPHANIE AND THATCHER TO WORK ON WAYS THAT WE CAN IMPROVE THIS AND DO OUR PART TO HELP THE STREET BECAUSE I'VE BEEN WAITING THROUGH FLOODWATERS ON THAT STREET SINCE I WAS ABOUT EIGHT YEARS OLD. THEY'RE STILL THERE, THEY'RE PROBABLY GETTING WORSE, NOT BETTER. THERE'S A LOT OF DAYS WHEN IN THE AFTERNOON IF WE'VE HAD HEAVY RAINS, YOU HAVE TO DRIVE BEHIND BUILDINGS AND THROUGH PARKING LOTS TO TRY TO GET TO THE OTHER END OF THE STREET. I REALLY STRONGLY SUPPORT ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN DO TO THAT. WE'VE HAD A FEW BUSINESSES ON OUR STREET LEAD THE WAY CROSBY'S KITCHEN. THEY TOOK A LAWNMOWER SHOP THAT WAS OVER 50 YEARS OLD NEXT DOOR AND TURNED IT INTO A BEAUTIFUL PHOTOGRAPHY STUDIO WITH LANDSCAPING AND A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS. SO I REALLY SUPPORT THAT. I ALSO WOULD JUST SAY THAT I HAVE TO SAY I SUPPORT WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING WITH FLATTENING THE MILLAGE RATE AND INCREASES TO STAFF BECAUSE WE'VE CERTAINLY INCREASED OUR STAFF COSTS MORE THAN 8 PERCENT, MORE THAN 10 PERCENT, MORE THAN 15 PERCENT JUST TO STAY COMPETITIVE IN THIS MARKET. AS A BUSINESS THAT REALLY FUNCTIONS BASED ON THE SERVICES THAT THE TOWN OF JUPITER AND THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES PROVIDE. WE REALLY RELY ON THAT TO KEEP OURSELVES IN BUSINESS AND DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING. I SUPPORT YOUR EFFORTS AND I DEFINITELY THINK IT OFFSETS ANY COST. THANK YOU. >> THAT WAS IT. >> ANY FINAL COMMENTS FROM ANYBODY ON? TIME IS NOW 8:30 AND WE ADJOURN TONIGHT'S WORKSHOP. THANK YOU. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.