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>> [BACKGROUND] GOOD EVENING. THE TIME IS NOW 7:01,

[Call to Order]

AND I'LL CALL THE ORDER.

THE TOWN COUNCIL MEETING OF JUNE 21ST WILL BEGIN WITH AN INVOCATION LED BY OUR TOWN CLERK.

>> DEAR GOD, ASSIST US IN PROMOTING THE WELL-BEING AND HAPPINESS OF ALL OUR CITIZENS AND GUIDE US TO BRING ABOUT GREATER UNDERSTANDING AND COLLABORATION AMONG OUR COMMUNITY, AMEN.

>> AMEN.

>> LET'S HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE.

>> YOU'LL JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE.

CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

>> MAYOR KURETSKI.

>> HERE.

>> VICE MAYOR DELANEY. COUNSELOR MAY.

>> HERE.

>> COUNSELOR SCHNEIDER.

>> HERE.

>> COUNSELOR SUNDSTORM.

>> HERE.

>> TOWN MANAGER, KITZEROW.

>> HERE.

>> ACTING TOWN ATTORNEY GAVIGAN.

>> HERE.

[1. Park and Recreation Month – July 2022. #]

>> WE BEGIN TONIGHT.

I HAVE A PROCLAMATION.

JULY IS PARK AND RECREATIONS MONTH, SO LET ME READ THE PROCLAMATION.

THE PROCLAMATION OF THE TOWN OF JUPITER DECLARING JULY 2022, AS PARK AND RECREATION MONTH.

WHEREAS PARKS AND RECREATION ARE AN INTEGRAL PART OF COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, INCLUDING JUPITER, FLORIDA.

WHEREAS PARKS AND RECREATION PROMOTE HEALTH AND WELLNESS, IMPROVING THE PHYSICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE NEAR PARKS.

WHEREAS PARKS AND RECREATION PROMOTE TIME SPENT IN NATURE, WHICH POSITIVELY IMPACTS MENTAL HEALTH BY INCREASING COGNITIVE PERFORMANCE AND WELL-BEING AND ALLEVIATING ILLNESSES SUCH AS DEPRESSION, ATTENTION DEFICIT DISORDERS, AND ALZHEIMER'S.

WHEREAS PARKS AND RECREATION ENCOURAGE PHYSICAL ACTIVITIES BY PROVIDING SPACE FOR POPULAR SPORTS AND FITNESS ACTIVITIES, WALKING TRAILS, OPEN SPACES, AND MANY OTHER ACTIVITIES DESIGNED TO PROMOTE ACTIVE LIFESTYLES.

WHEREAS PARK AND RECREATION PROGRAMMING AND EDUCATIONAL ACTIVITIES SUCH AS OUT OF SCHOOL TIME PROGRAMMING, YOUTH SPORTS, ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION ARE CRITICAL TO CHILDHOOD DEVELOPMENT.

WHEREAS PARKS AND RECREATION INCREASE A COMMUNITY'S ECONOMIC PROSPERITY THROUGH INCREASED PROPERTY VALUES, EXPANSION OF THE LOCAL TAX BASE, INCREASED TOURISM, THE ATTRACTION AND RETENTION OF BUSINESSES, AND CRIME PREVENTION.

WHEREAS PARKS AND RECREATION ARE FUNDAMENTAL TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL WELL-BEING OF OUR COMMUNITY.

WHEREAS PARKS AND RECREATION ARE ESSENTIAL IN ADAPTABLE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT MAKES OUR COMMUNITY RESILIENT IN THE FACE OF NATURAL DISASTERS AND CLIMATE CHANGE.

WHEREAS OUR PARKS AND NATURAL RECREATION AREAS ENSURE THE ECOLOGICAL BEAUTY OF OUR COMMUNITY AND PROVIDE A PLACE FOR CHILDREN AND ADULTS TO CONNECT WITH NATURE AND READ OUTDOORS.

WHEREAS THE UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES HAS DESIGNATED JULY AS PARKS AND RECREATION MONTH.

WHEREAS THE TOWN OF JUPITER RECOGNIZES THE BENEFITS DERIVED FROM PARKS AND RECREATION RESOURCES.

NOW THEREFORE, I JIM KURETSKI, MAYOR OF THE TOWN OF JUPITER, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM JULY 2022 AS PARKS AND RECREATION MONTH.

WITH THAT, I THINK STAFF AS A PRESENTATION AND THEN WE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH THE PRESENTATION OF PROCLAMATION.

[MUSIC]

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[APPLAUSE] LIKE TO INTRODUCE CHRISTIAN GEORGE, DIRECTOR OF RECREATION.

YOU INTRODUCE WHO'S WITH YOU AND THEN WE CAN HAVE ALL OF YOU COME UP HERE FOR A PICTURE WITH THE ENTIRE COUNCIL.

>> ABSOLUTELY. I HAVE WITH ME TONIGHT HERE CARSON, WHO'S ONE OF OUR RECREATION SUPERVISORS.

JULIE WARK WOLNEWITZ, WHO'S ALSO OUR OTHER RECREATION'S SUPERVISOR.

PETER DOHERTY, WHO'S ONE OF OUR RECREATION COORDINATORS AND IS MISSING HIS SOFTBALL LEAGUES [LAUGHTER] [INAUDIBLE] TONIGHT JUST TO BE HERE WITH US, SO THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING US THIS MONTH.

[APPLAUSE] [BACKGROUND] [LAUGHTER].

>> ONE MORE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

[OVERLAPPING] [APPLAUSE]

>> WE'RE REALLY GRATEFUL FOR EVERYTHING THAT PARKS AND RECS NOW IT'S FOR COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT'S WHY WE HAD THE ENTIRE COUNCIL STAND IN.

I KNOW IT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH JUST TO HAVE THE MAYOR ON AS IMPORTANT OF A GROUP. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[CITIZEN COMMENTS]

MOVING ON TO CITIZEN COMMENTS.

THIS IS THE TIME FOR ALL NON-AGENDA ITEMS AND DISCUSSION IS LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.

ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK IS ASKED TO STATE HIS OR HER NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PRIOR TO ADDRESSING THE TOWN COUNCIL.

BUT GENERALLY DON'T DISCUSS THE ITEMS AT THIS POINT IN THE MEETING.

THERE GENERALLY IS SOME FOLLOW-UP AFTER THE MEETING BY STAFF.

WITH IT, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS?

>> YES, YOU HAVE TWO; FIRST BETH DELLINGER, THEN BERNIE VON.

>> MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I'M FROM THE TOBACCO STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA.

EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEEN 46 YEARS SINCE I QUIT SMOKING, I HAVE COPD THE REST OF MY LIFE.

WHEN I SAW THE NEWS THAT CITIES CAN NOW PREVENT FILTER CIGARETTES FROM BEING ON THE BEACHES, I WAS THRILLED TO DEATH.

THIS IS A HUGE CHALLENGE FOR THE TOWN OF JUPITER.

I'M HOPING THAT YOU WILL INVEST IN SCIENCE TO PUT ON THE BEACHES, NOT JUST AT THE WALKWAYS FROM DUBOIS PART TO JUNO BEACH.

MAYBE THIS CAN ELIMINATE ALL OF THE CIGARETTES.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I HAD TO WEAR THIS BECAUSE MY GRANDSON IS IN THE NAVY [LAUGHTER]. THANK YOU.

>> BERNIE VON.

>> GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS BERNIE VON.

I LIVE AT THE BEACH CALMER CONDOMINIUMS AT 4161 SOUTH US HIGHWAY, WHICH IS THE COMPLEX JUST NORTH OF THE JUNO PEER.

MY WIFE CARA VON IS PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD AND SHE ASKED ME IN SOME OF THE OTHER MEMBERS ASKED ME TO APPEAR TO BRING CERTAIN ISSUES TO THE ATTENTION OF THE BOARD.

I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

MY WIFE AND I HAVE OWNED IN JUPITER FOR ABOUT NINE YEARS AND BEFORE THAT, WE RAN IT AND I'VE BEEN COMING TO FLORIDA, THIS AREA, MY WHOLE LIFE FROM PHILADELPHIA AND THEN NEW JERSEY.

MY WIFE HAS LIVED HERE FULL TIME ABOUT NINE YEARS.

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I RETIRED FROM MY POSITION TWO YEARS AGO, SO I'M LIVING HERE FULL TIME.

OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, WE'VE REALLY SEEN A DRAMATIC INCREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF TRASH THAT IS OVERFLOWING ON A ROUTINE BASIS FROM THE BEACH WALKS AND IT IS PARTICULARLY EXACERBATED AT THE JUNO FISH BEER.

I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS FOR SEVERAL MONTHS.

THERE'S AN ISSUE OF JURISDICTION AS I KNOW, BETWEEN WHETHER IT'S A COUNTY OR PARKS OR IT'S THE TOWN REQUIREMENTS.

EVEN THOUGH I BELIEVE THAT THE TRASH CANS NEAR THE PIER ARE A COUNTY RESPONSIBILITY, I'VE ENLISTED THE SUPPORT OF THE TOWN.

OBVIOUSLY, THAT CAN BE HELPFUL IN AMELIORATING IT.

IT WAS PARTICULARLY BAD ON FATHER'S DAY.

I HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS WHICH I CAN GET YOUR EMAIL AND SEND THEM TO YOU FOR DISTRIBUTION AS NEED BE.

ATTENDED WITH THE TRASH, WE HAD AND THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR ABOUT FOUR MONTHS, WE HAD A TREMENDOUS INCREASE IN THE RODENT POPULATION.

NOW, BEING REALISTIC RODENTS ARE A PART, I WALK ON THE JUNO, APPEAR VIRTUALLY EVERY DAY AND AT NIGHT THERE ARE MUSKRATS AND RODENTS.

I'M BEING REALISTIC HERE, BUT IT REALLY GOT TO BE AN EXACERBATION OF THE PROBLEM SUCH THAT WHEN I WAS WALKING BY SEVERAL WEEKS AGO, ONE OF THE TRASH CANS, A BUNCH OF BABY RATS, JUMPED OUT AND IT'S DRAMATICALLY INCREASED THE RODENT PROBLEM ON OUR PROPERTY SUCH THAT MY WIFE HAS, THREE MINUTES.

SORRY. IN ANY EVENT, IT'S NOT ONLY TRASHED PROBLEM, BUT IT'S RODENT PROBLEM, IF YOU WILL JUST INDULGE ME.

THE OTHER ISSUE IS THERE'S SOME REALLY UNSAVORY PEOPLE COMING FROM THE PARKING LOT THERE.

THEY COME ON IN OUR PROPERTY, WE'VE HAD CALLED THE POLICE, THEY HAVE COSTED, ASSAULTED MY SON, WHO'S 23 YEARS OLD AND MUCH TALLER THAN ME, AND THREATENED TO KILL HIM AND COME BACK AND KILL THEM.

SO IT'S JUST A PROBLEM THAT I WANTED TO BRING IT TO THE ATTENTION.

BUT FOCUS ON THE TRASH TONIGHT, BUT THERE'S ALSO A SAFETY ISSUE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU. I KNOW IS UNUSUAL.

WE CAN AGREE WHAT WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.

I KNOW THIS WOULD BE TOM TO ANSWER THIS.

BUT JUST FROM MY EDUCATION, MAYBE EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE COUNCIL KNOWS THIS, BUT DEPEND ON PANELS, TRASH PICKUP FOR OUR CROSSOVERS, AND CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT AND THEN THE COUNTY DOES THERE'S OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? JUST CURIOUS, BECAUSE I KNOW WE GOT THIS ADDRESSED IN THE CONTRACT.

>> THE CONTRACT DOES HANDLE THE PICKUP OF GARBAGE AT THE BEACHES ITSELF, AND THAT IS ON THE TOP SIDE, THE ACTUAL SIDE, THAT IS THE ROADSIDE.

THERE ARE SOME AT VARIOUS LOCATIONS ON THE BEACH SIDE.

THE COUNTY DOES DEAL WITH THE PICKUP OF THOSE GARBAGE CANS AT THOSE LOCATIONS.

BUT ON THE TOP SIDE, DEALT WITHIN THE CONTRACT ITSELF THREE TIMES A WEEK.

THOSE ARE PICKED UP BASICALLY WHEN I SAY THE TOP SIDE UP AT THE TOP OF THE CROSSOVER ITSELF.

>> WHICH IS EVERY CROSSOVER, WHETHER IT'S A COUNTY OR A TOWN?

>> IT IS DEFINITELY WITH ALL OF THE TOWN CROSSOVER ITSELF.

>> I WAS ASKING ABOUT ONE OF THOSE TWO COUNTIES HAS DONE AS WELL.

>> I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IT GOES FURTHER INTO THE COUNTY CROSS-OVERS THEMSELVES.

>> I'M JUST ASKING FOR THE RESIDENTS BENEFIT PLUS FOR US TO KNOW BECAUSE IT'S ONE THING I KNOW WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS AND I'M SURE IT'S BEEN ADDRESSED IN THE CONTRACT AND THAT I WAS EXPLAINING THAT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND.

IS IT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? IT'S A COUNTY CROSSOVER, SO IF IT'S NOT COVERED IN OUR CONTRACT.

>> THE LOCATION HE'S TALKING ABOUT I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE CROSSOVERS.

THAT'S ROUGHLY 23, 24, AND 25.

THOSE ARE OUR CROSSOVER IS 23, 24 ACTUALLY BELONGS TO THE COUNTY.

HOWEVER, WE DO OR WASTE MANAGEMENT DOES PICK UP AT THOSE SOME OF THE CANS THAT ARE ON THE SIDEWALK THERE.

THERE ARE CANS AT THOSE LOCATIONS, AND THEN ALSO 25 IS ONE OF OURS AS WELL.

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THAT'S IN ROUGHLY THAT LOCATION AS WELL.

>> HEAVILY POPULATED, ONE WE WOULD DEAL WITH BY ADDING A CAN, I GUESS IF EACH THREE DAYS AND PICK UP?

>> MORE THAN LIKELY, YES.

>> OKAY.

>> WE CAN GET WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT TO DO THAT.

>> WASN'T JUMPING A SOLUTION.

I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND.

THANK YOU. NO MORE CITIZEN COMMENTS.

>> I THOUGHT THEY FOLLOW THE PROCESS OF SUBMITTING IT, BUT I COULD HAVE THREE MINUTES, I THINK IT'S OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> GOOD EVENING MR. MAYOR AND TOWN COUNCIL, MY NAME IS BRETT CARPENTER AND I LIVE AT 6148 FOSTER STREET IN THE HEIGHTS, AND I'M A 40 YEAR RESIDENT, A FATHER OF A 24-YEAR-OLD SON WITH AUTISM.

I RUN A NON-PROFIT CALLED CHAMP THAT SUPPORTS SPECIAL NEEDS PEOPLE THROUGHOUT PALM BEACH AND BROWARD COUNTY, BUT FOCUSING ON JUPITER.

I GUESS THE FIRST ITEM OF AGENDA, AS I WANTED TO THANK THE MAYOR AND THE TOWN COUNCIL, THAT THROUGH THE TOWN OF JUPITER CHARITABLE DONATION PROGRAM, $2500 WAS DONATED TO CHAMP.

THEN THAT HELPS US PROVIDE FREE RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES AND HELPS US GET EMPLOYMENT.

MY FAMILY AND I AND THE CHAT MEMBERS WANT TO SUPPORT THE UNDER-SERVED COMMUNITY OF SPECIAL NEEDS PEOPLE BY ASKING THE TOWN OF JUPITER TO BECOME AN AUTISM-FRIENDLY CITY.

WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT I'M GOING TO ANTICIPATE SOME QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.

FIRST OF ALL, HOW MUCH DOES IT COST? THE GOOD ANSWER IS, IT DOESN'T COST ANYTHING.

THE SECOND IS WHAT IS REQUIRED AND WHAT KIND OF TIME-CODE AND SUPPORT WHAT HAVE YOU IS REQUESTED OF THE TOWN OF JUPITER? ESSENTIALLY, THE TOWN IN JUPITER EMPLOYEES NEED TO TAKE SOME 90-MINUTE ONLINE TRAINING OR LIVE TRAINING FROM FAU CARD, WHICH IS THE CENTER FOR AUTISM AND RELATED DISABILITY HERE IN FAU JUPITER CAMPUS.

THE TRAINING IS IN FOUR AREAS; THE TOWN GOVERNMENT, THE PARKS AND RECREATION, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHICH HAS ALREADY COMPLETED, AND THEN THE SELECTED JUPITER BUSINESSES.

WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE WHOLE COMMUNITY TO BE AWARE AND ACCEPT THOSE WITH SPECIAL NEEDS AND SPECIFICALLY WITH AUTISM.

BASED ON THE THREE ANSWERS THAT I JUST GAVE, I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST A MEETING WITH THE APPROPRIATE TOWN MEMBERS TO DETERMINE THE PATH FORWARD ALONG WITH MYSELF AND WITH CARD.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE PROPER PROCESS, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING JUST TO GET A PATH FORWARD.

IT HAS BEEN ASKED BEFORE AND WE HAVE NOT MADE PROGRESS TO DATE AND I DO NOT KNOW WHY.

I JUST KNOW FROM CARD THAT IT HAS NOT HAPPENED.

THEN I DID SEND A 10-PAGE POWERPOINT TO THE TOWN COUNCIL EMAIL TO REINFORCE WHAT I SAID AND TO DOCUMENT WHAT I JUST ASKED SO THAT YOU CAN READ IT AT YOUR LEISURE.

THAT'S ALL I HAD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU. NO OTHER COMMENTS.

MOVING ON TO THE MATCH.

[2. June 7, 2022 Town Council Meeting Minutes.]

COUNCIL, YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU THE MINUTES OF THE JUNE 7TH TOWN COUNCIL MEETING ALONG WITH SOME MINOR CORRECTIONS ON THE DICE.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? QUESTIONS? I HAVE A MOTION.

>> MOVED. SECOND.

>> MOTION IN A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING.

>> AYE.

>> AYE.

>> AYE.

>> MOTION CARRIES.

50. MOVING ON TO THE CONSENT.

[CONSENT AGENDA]

AGENDA. THIS IS THE ITEMS THREE THROUGH FIVE ON THE AGENDA.

DOES ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC HAVE A CONSENT? AGENDA ITEM THEY WISH TO PULL?

>> NO.

>> NO. ANYBODY ON THE COUNCIL?

>> NONE.

>> SEEING NONE. ON THE FIRST I GUESS WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE ON THE AGENDA.

IF I CAN ANSWER THAT ATTORNEY TO READ THE ORDINANCE.

>> ORDINANCE NUMBER 6-22, AN ORDINANCE OF THE TOWN COUNCIL OF THE TOWN OF JUPITER, FLORIDA, AMENDING SECTION NINE DASH TEN OF THE TOWN CODE PERTAINING TO THE APPOINTMENT OF QUALIFIED INSPECTORS OF ELECTION AND A CLERK OF

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ELECTION PROVIDED FOR THE CREATION OF SECTION NINE DASH 16 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES REQUIRE THE ELECTRONIC FILING OF CAMPAIGN FINANCE REPORTS WITH THE TOWN CLERK, PROVIDED FOR SEPARABILITY, PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF LAWS AND CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION.

>> TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND.

>> MOTION IN A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>> AYE.

>> AYE.

>> MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

MOVING ON TO THE REGULAR AGENDA.

[6. Ordinance 7-22, First Reading, Approving an exclusive eight plus (8+) year Exclusive Franchise Agreement with Waste Management Inc. of Florida (Waste Management) pertaining to request for proposals (RFP), EPW 2022-25, Collection of Solid Waste and Recyclable Materials. (Second Reading 7/19/22)]

FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ORDINANCE 7-22, FIRST READING, DEALING WITH A FRANCHISE AGREEMENT WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT.

I GUESS I'LL TURN THIS OVER TO STAFF.

>> GOOD EVENING.

FOR THE RECORD, TOMAS FERNANDEZ, DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING, PARKS AND PUBLIC WORKS.

I WILL BE INTRODUCING THE WHICH YOU MENTIONED IT WAS AN ORDINANCE.

I'LL BE INTRODUCING THE COLLECTION OF SOLID WASTE AND RECYCLED MATERIALS, WHICH WAS AN RFP THAT WAS ADVERTISED EARLIER THIS YEAR.

THERE WAS A LARGE SELECTION COMMITTEE.

WELL, FIVE PERSONNEL THAT WE HAD FOR A SELECTION COMMITTEE.

BUT IT MAKES MOST SENSE FOR ME TO PROVIDE THIS PRESENTATION ITSELF BECAUSE I'M THE ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE CONTRACT AND WE DO THE REGULAR ADMINISTRATION FOR THE CONTRACT ITSELF THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE ACTUAL PROJECT.

TONIGHT WE'LL BE GOING THROUGH THE CURRENT SERVICES, THE SELECTION PROCESS, AS WELL AS THE SELECTION PROCESS RESULTS AND COLLECTION METHOD OPTIONS, AS WELL AS THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION BASED ON WHAT WAS FOUND AS A PART OF THE SELECTION COMMITTEE ITSELF.

THE CURRENT SERVICES ARE RESIDENTIAL AS WELL AS COMMERCIAL SERVICES, WHICH ARE PROVIDED UNDER AN EXCLUSIVE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT.

AND THAT IS WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT CURRENTLY? TO BE MORE CORRECT, IT'S A WASTE MANAGEMENT, INC. IN FLORIDA.

THE CURRENT RATE IS $22 PER MONTH PER FOR SINGLE-FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY RESIDENCES.

THE CURRENT SERVICES OR TWO TIMES PER WEEK FOR SOLID WASTE.

VEGETATIVE WASTE IS TWO TIMES PER WEEK WITH THE FIRST PICK-UP MAX OF EIGHT CUBIC YARDS.

HOWEVER, TWO DAYS LATER, THE REMAINDER OF THAT AMOUNT HAS TO BE PICKED UP.

IF THERE'S ANYTHING BEYOND A CUBIC YARDS ITSELF.

ALSO, RECYCLING IS PICKED UP ONE TIME PER WEEK AND THEN BULK WASTE IS PICKED UP ONE TIME PER WEEK.

ALL AREAS OF THE TOWN EXCEPT FOR CHARGING NEIGHBORHOODS WHICH ARE PICKED UP TWO TIMES PER WEEK THROUGHOUT THE TOWN.

>> I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD THAT THE EIGHT CUBIC YARD LIMIT PICKUP, IF NOT PICKED UP ON PICKUP DAY AND THE NEXT DAY? CORRECT?

>> IT'S IT'S WITHIN TWO DAYS THEN THOSE REMAINING AMOUNT SO THERE'S NOT A LIMIT ON THE AMOUNT THAT CAN BE PLACED OUT.

>> THE INTENTION WAS I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTOOD WHAT THE SERVICE HAD BEEN BECAUSE I'M MOST FAMILIAR WITH A LOT OF THESE PROVISIONS.

KRISTA CAME UP AS COUNCIL POLICY RATE, THAT IF THERE WAS SOME LARGE PROBLEMS, WE DIDN'T WANT THAT TO HOLD UP A PICKUP OF BY-AND-LARGE EVERYBODY.

BUT CONTRACT, CORN CONTRACT READS THAT THE DAY OF THE PILE IS TAGGED, WHICH IS THE COLLECTION DAY, IS DAY ONE.

IT WOULD THEN BE PICKED UP ON DAY TWO BECAUSE IF IT'S NOT THAT, THEN THAT MEANS THEY DON'T PICK IT UP UNTIL THE NEXT COLLECTION DAYS SINCE IT'S THREE DAYS AWAY.

ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO ENSURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CURRENT CONTRACT WAS BECAUSE WE CERTAINLY WOULD LIKE THAT IN THE NEW CONTRACTING.

AGAIN, I'M EMPHASIZING WHY IT MADE SENSE TO ACCEPT THE BIGGER PILES, BE LEFT BEHIND SO THEY CAN COME BACK AND GET IT, BUT THAT HAS TO BE THE NEXT DAY AND I'M SEEING NODS.

THEY UNDERSTAND THAT TO BE THE VALID REQUIREMENT. THANK YOU.

>> CORRECT. THE CURRENT CONTRACT DOES REQUIRE FOR THAT.

I'LL DISCUSS A LITTLE LATER WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE EXISTING ARE IN THE PROPOSED CURRENT CONTRACT AND THEN GET A LITTLE MORE ELABORATION INTO THAT AS WELL.

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AS FAR AS THE SELECTION PROCESS AND THE WAY ITEMS WENT AND TOOK PLACE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SELECTION PROCESS ITSELF.

ON APRIL 1ST, WE ADVERTISE THE RFP AND IT WAS PLACED ON DEMAND STAR AND AS WELL AS PUT INTO THE PAPER.

ON APRIL 8TH, THE PRE PROPOSAL MEETING TOOK PLACE.

WE HAD 42 WAYS TOLERANCE AND ATTENDANCE, AND THERE WAS ALSO ONE FIRM WHO DID NOT ATTEND THAT.

HOWEVER, THEY DID FOLLOW UP WITH QUESTIONS BECAUSE THEY HAD SHOWN AN INTEREST IN THE ACTUAL CONTRACT ITSELF.

ON MAY 20TH, WE HAD THREE RFP RESPONSES WHICH WERE FROM FCC ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES OF FLORIDA, AS WELL AS WASTE PRO OF FLORIDA AND WASTE MANAGEMENT OF INCOME FLORIDA.

EACH OF THESE EACH OF THE PROPOSERS PROVIDED AN RFP RESPONSE, AND AS A PART OF THAT, THEY PROVIDED A TECHNICAL PROPOSAL AS WELL AS A PRICE PROPOSAL.

JUST FOR REFERENCE, THE TECHNICAL PROPOSAL GAVE INFORMATION IN RESPONSE TO QUESTIONS AND VARIOUS SECTIONS WITHIN THE RFP WHICH DEALT WITH EXPERIENCE.

THEY PLAN TO IMPLEMENT THEIR PROJECTS, ARE REALLY IMPLEMENT THE THEIR RESPONSE AND THEN HOW THEY PICK UP ON DAILY OPERATIONS THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE CONTRACT ITSELF.

THEN ALSO FINANCIAL INFORMATION.

BUT THOSE TECHNICAL PROPOSALS WHICH WERE OPENED ON THE 20TH, THOSE WERE IMMEDIATELY DISSEMINATED TO THE SELECTION COMMITTEE FOR REVIEW IN ADVANCE OF OUR SELECTION COMMITTEE MEETINGS.

THE PRICE PROPOSAL PORTION DID REMAIN SEALED UNTIL WE HAD ALREADY THE SELECTION COMMITTEE THEMSELVES HAD ALREADY REVIEWED AND COMPOSE ALL OF OUR TECHNICAL SCORES FOR THE SELECTION PROCESS.

THEN ON JUNE 1ST, THERE WERE PRESENTATIONS PROVIDED BY ALL OF THE PROPOSERS, GAVE THE PROPOSERS THE ABILITY TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THEIR COMPANY, PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT THE RELEVANT INFORMATION RELATED TO THE RFP ITSELF.

AS AN ADDITION, IT GAVE THE SELECTION COMMITTEE ABILITY TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE RFP OR IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT WE FELT WAS NOT ADDRESSED WITHIN THE TECHNICAL PROPOSAL.

THEN ON JUNE 3RD, THE SELECTION COMMITTEE MET.

WE COMPILED OUR SCORES AND WE COMPOSE A TECHNICAL SCORE WHICH WAS PROVIDED FOR EACH OF THE COMPOSERS THEMSELVES.

LATER THAT DAY, AFTER WE HAD ALREADY COMPILED OUR TECHNICAL SCORES AS THE SELECTION COMMITTEE HAD ALREADY DONE THAT.

THEN LATER THAT DAY WE OPENED THE PRICE PROPOSALS AND WE USE THAT TO COME UP WITH.

IT'S LISTED HERE AS AN ADJUSTED SCORE, BUT IF YOU WERE LOOKING IN THE RFP, IT WOULD BE REFERRED TO AS AN ADJUSTED COST.

BUT ESSENTIALLY IT USED THE EXPECTED COSTS ARE ESTIMATED COSTS FOR A RESIDENT WITH THE RESIDENTIAL AS WELL AS THE COMMERCIAL RATE.

USE THAT TO COME UP WITH OUR SELECTION FOR THE INTENDED THE INTENDED RECOMMENDATION.

AS A PART OF THE ADJUSTED SCORE, IT'S SHOWN AS THE ACTUAL WAY THINGS THAT RANKED OUT THERE.

WASTE MANAGEMENT OF FLORIDA WAS THE LOWEST ADJUSTED COST, FOLLOWED BY FCC ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES OF FLORIDA, THEN FOLLOWED BY WASTES PRO OF FLORIDA.

FOR THE COLLECTION METHOD OPTIONS, ESSENTIALLY, THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE AND FREQUENCY WILL BE PROVIDED.

I'LL DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE VEGETATIVE WASTE IN A MOMENT.

BUT ESSENTIALLY THE SOLID WASTE AND VEGETATIVE WASTE WILL STILL BE PICKED UP TWO TIMES PER WEEK.

CURRENT CONTRACT IT DOES NOT HAVE A LIMIT ON THE AMOUNT OF VEGETATIVE WASTE THAT A CUSTOMER CAN PLACE AT THE CURB.

HOWEVER, THE CURRENT CONTRACT, OR EXCUSE ME, THE PROPOSED CONTRACT DOES HAVE A LIMIT FOR THE AMOUNT THAT CAN BE PICKED UP ON ANY GIVEN DAY, IS EIGHT CUBIC YARDS, BUT IT IS CURRENTLY SET UP WHERE IT WOULD THE FOLLOWING PICKUP DAY WOULD BE ANOTHER EIGHT CUBIC YARDS AND SO ON UNTIL THE ENTIRE WASTE PILE WOULD BE PICKED UP.

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SO THAT'S HOW IT IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN, THE PROPOSED CONTRACT ITSELF.

THEN AS WELL, RECYCLING IS CONTINUED ON AS ONETIME PER WEEK, BULK WASTE ONE TIME PER WEEK, AND THEN TWO TIMES PER WEEK IN THE CHARTER NEIGHBORHOODS.

[NOISE] ALSO IT WOULD CONTINUE ON AS BEING ROUGHLY THE WAY THE CURRENT COMMERCIAL SERVICES ARE MAINTAINED AND PICKED UP.

IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT UNDER THE PROPOSED CONTRACT, THE SPECIAL SERVICES WHICH ARE CURRENTLY UNDER THE EXISTING CONTRACT WOULD NOT BE CHANGED.

THEY'RE BASICALLY THE SAME AS THEY WOULD BE BEFORE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE WERE ANY RESIDENTS WHO WERE MEDICALLY UNABLE TO BRING ANY SOLID WASTES TO THE CURB OR ANY VEGETATIVE WASTE OR ANY RECYCLED MATERIALS, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO SUBMIT THAT INFORMATION TO WASTE MANAGEMENT IN ORDER TO GET EXEMPTION, NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR ANYTHING ADDITIONAL FOR THOSE SERVICES TO BE ROLLED OUT TO THE CURB AND DISPOSED OFF.

THERE'S ALSO FOR THE ABILITY OF BACKDOOR SERVICE FOR ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO NEGOTIATE THOSE RATES WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT OR WHATEVER THE HAULER WOULD BE, AND THEN ALSO ANY SPECIAL SERVICES FOR EQUIPMENT OR ANY IMPAIRED ACCESSIBILITY.

GOING INTO THE TWO OPTIONS WHICH WERE WRITTEN INTO THE RFP, THERE WERE TWO OPTIONS THAT COULD BE PROVIDED.

JUST IN GENERAL, THEY WERE PERFORMED AS A CART SERVICE, WHICH WAS A SEMI-AUTOMATED AS WELL AS AN AUTOMATED COLLECTION METHOD.

SEMI-AUTOMATED YOU WOULD LIKELY SEE IN THE AREAS WHERE, SUCH AS, LET'S SAY [INAUDIBLE] OR SMALLER TRUCKS THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO GET INTO SOME OF THE SMALLER ALLEYS, SO THEY WOULD STILL NEED TO BRING AN ADDITIONAL PERSON ON THE BACK OF THE TRUCK TO RIDE ALONG, AND THEN THEY WOULD ROLL IT OVER, PUT IT ON THE TAPER, AND DUMP IT INTO THE BACK OF THE TRUCK.

THAT'S HOW YOU WOULD GENERALLY SEE A SEMI-AUTOMATED.

FOR AUTOMATED ITSELF, THAT WOULD GENERALLY BE IF THE CART ITSELF RUN ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD AND YOU HAVE A DRIVER THAT COMES PAST, HITS A LEVER, GRABS IT, AND DUMPS IT INTO THE TRUCK WITHOUT AN ADDITIONAL PERSON ON THE BACK OF THE TRUCK.

THEN THE OTHER OPTION WAS CANS, WHICH WAS THE MANUAL COLLECTION METHOD, WHICH IS CURRENTLY THE METHOD WHICH IS USED FOR THE EXISTING CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE IN THE TOWN.

GOING INTO THE OPTIONS WHICH, AND BREAKING THEM DOWN COST-WISE FOR WHAT WAS PROVIDED BY WASTE MANAGEMENT ITSELF WAS $21.95 PER MONTH FOR RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY, AS WELL AS SINGLE-FAMILY.

A COUPLE OF ITEMS TO NOTE AS A PART OF THAT METHOD WOULD BE IS THAT USING A CART IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S THE TREND AND THE SOLID WASTE INDUSTRY WITHIN FLORIDA AND MOVING TOWARDS SOMEWHAT A SEMI OR AT LEAST AUTOMATED SERVICE.

IT ALSO PROVIDES A LITTLE MORE CLEANER AND CONSISTENT LOOK, SO YOU LOOK DOWN THE STREET, YOU DON'T SEE DIFFERENT BAGS LAYING ALL OVER THE PLACE, YOU HAVE A CONSISTENT CART ALL THE WAY DOWN THE STREET AND YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT LOOKS A LITTLE MORE UNIFORM.

HOWEVER, ON THE OTHER SIDE, SWITCHING THE CARTS WOULD REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT OF AN EDUCATION PROCESS OF AS TO THE PROPER USE OF THE CART, ENSURING THAT THE GARBAGE WAS PLACED INSIDE THE CART.

THERE WOULD ALSO BE EDUCATION PROCESS FOR ENSURING THAT THE CART WAS PLACED IN THE PROPER LOCATION.

PROPER LOCATION FOR THIS CONTRACT IS LISTED AT CURBSIDE, WHICH IS WITHIN THREE FEET OF THE CURVE OR THE ROAD.

FOR THE CANS, ESSENTIALLY THAT WOULD BE $25 PER MONTH IF IT WERE THE CHOSEN METHOD, BUT THAT WOULD BE $25 PER SINGLE-FAMILY AS WELL AS MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENCE.

IT WAS NOTED BY WASTE MANAGEMENT AS WELL AS SOME OF THE OTHER HOLLERS THAT THIS METHOD DOES PROVIDE WORKFORCE CHALLENGES THAT REQUIRES A LITTLE MORE PERSONNEL AS A PART OF PICKING UP THE GARBAGE WITHIN THE TOWN AND ANY OTHER LOCATIONS.

WASTE MANAGEMENT THEMSELVES DID SAY THAT THIS MAY CAUSE SOME ISSUES IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE IT'S DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO FIND PERSONNEL THAT ARE INTERESTED IN PERFORMING THAT MANUAL LABOR.

AS I HAD MENTIONED EARLIER WITH THE CARTS, USING THE CANS IT'S THE OPPOSITE.

IT DOES NOT NECESSARILY NEED TO BE PLACED INSIDE THE

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CAN ITSELF IF THE CAN OPTION WERE CHOSEN.

>> I'M TRYING TO BECAUSE I'M ASSUMING THAT WE ASK QUESTIONS AS WE GO ALONG.

BUT STILL ON THE TOPIC OF THE SEMI-AUTOMATED COLLECTION METHOD, SEEMS LIKE I'M OBSERVING SOME OF THAT HAPPENING NOW ALREADY, WHICH IS FINE.

IS THAT THE CASE WHAT I HAVE OBSERVED THAT ON THE BACK OF THE VEHICLE IT WAS IN FACT A TIPPER WHERE A PERSON WALKS AND OVER? I KNOW IT'S NOT THE FULL PERFECT SITUATION, BUT THAT IS A SEMI-AUTOMATED, I GUESS I'M SEEING A HEAD NOD.

>> THAT WOULD BE A SEMI-AUTOMATED SITUATION.

THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO MAY HAVE A CAN ALREADY THAT HAS A BAR OR HAS A LOCATION WHERE THE TIPPER WHICH IS ON THE BACK OF THE TRUCK, THEY COULD ROLL IT OVER TO THE TRUCK IN THE REAR AND IT COULD PICK IT UP AT THAT LOCATION AND IT WOULD DUMP IT INTO THE BACK OF THE TRUCK ITSELF.

THAT WOULD BE SEMI-AUTOMATED, CORRECT.

>>THEN I'M HOPEFUL FOR THAT, THAT'S GREAT.

BUT THEN THE QUESTION IS JUST MAKE SURE WHAT THIS PROPOSAL IS.

THE [INAUDIBLE] IS THAT IT REALLY BE FULLY AUTOMATED WHERE IT CAN BE.

I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S TAKEN CARTS THAT ARE SMALLER CARTS AS AN EXAMPLE.

I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE LIMITATION OF THE TRUE AUTOMATED ONE, WE SAW IN HERE THAT THE CONTRACT PROVIDES FOR 64 GALLON AND A 96 GALLON AS AN EXAMPLE.

BUT I KNOW THAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE A 32 GALLON TOTAL TYPE, WHICH SEEMS LIKE IT HAS THE BAR.

DOES THAT SIZE WORK OR NOT? I SAY THAT BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S GOT DIFFERENT UNIQUE SITUATIONS, AND SOME PEOPLE THAT IS A MORE IDEAL SIZE.

I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S ACCOMMODATED MORE OR NOT.

MAYBE WASTE MANAGEMENT NEEDS TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS, AND THAT'S FINE IF YOU WANT TO TABLE AT.

>> CURRENTLY AS IT'S PROPOSES THAT ALL RESIDENTS WOULD GET A 64 GALLON, AND ACTUALLY WASTE MANAGEMENT BROUGHT A 64 GALLON AS WELL AS A 96 GALLONS SO THEY CAN BE VIEWED FOR ANYONE WHO IS INTERESTED AT THE BACK OF THE ROOM.

CURRENTLY THEY'RE NOT WRITTEN UP AS BEING 32 GALLON.

THAT WOULD BE IF THERE'S SOMETHING WHERE SOMEONE WANTED TO GET DIFFERENT SIZE, THAT WOULD LIKELY BE A QUESTION THAT WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE WASTE MANAGEMENT ANSWER THAT.

IT'S NOT CURRENTLY WRITTEN INTO OUR [OVERLAPPING]

>> NO. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT'S IN THERE. I'M LOOKING AT IT.

THIS IS THE FIRST READING AND WE WANT TO TALK THROUGH IT BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND IF IT'S THERE WILL BE TWO GALLON COULD BE ACCOMMODATED.

THERE'S A LOT OF HOME PROPERTIES IN THE TOWN THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE THE CAN, SO THEREIN IF A SMALLER CAN CAN BE ACCOMMODATED BY THE AUTOMATIC EQUIPMENT.

I THINK WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND THAT AND GET THAT RIGHT.

I CAN TELL YOU ONE THING, FOR EXAMPLE, I HAPPEN TO HAVE A 32 GALLON BECAUSE I PUT IT IN MY GARAGE.

ON THE OUTSIDE I HAVE THE BIGGER CANS.

BUT YOU CAN'T GET A BIGGER CAN BY A CAR IN THE GARAGE.

MAYBE EVERYBODY'S GOT TO HAVE UNIQUE SITUATIONS.

WHAT I ASK LATER WASTE MANAGEMENT TO WEIGH IN ON WHETHER THERE IS OR IS NOT A VIABLE OPTION.

>> JUST SPEAKING TO THE EITHER OPTION, THOSE ARE WHETHER IT GOES CARTS OR CANS, THE CURRENT FACILITY, THE WASTE MANAGEMENT WOULD BE USING THEIR CURRENT FACILITY WHICH IS IN I BELIEVE IT'S UP IN MARTIN COUNTY.

IF THERE WERE ANY PERSONNEL WHO WANTED TO HAVE THEIR CARTS NOT FORGO THE DELIVERY FEE FOR A CART ITSELF, THEY WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO UP TO THE LOCATION AND ACTUALLY PICK UP THE CART ITSELF, OR THEY CAN HAVE IT DELIVERED, WHICH WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL $25 FEE IF ANYBODY WANTED AN ADDITIONAL CAN ITSELF, OR IF THEY AFTER THE FACT WANTED TO SWITCH OUT TO GET A LARGER SIZE.

I GUESS AS WELL SO I DON'T MISS ANYTHING FOR THE LEVEL OF SERVICE JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, WASTE MANAGEMENT DOES CURRENTLY PROVIDE SERVICES AT 10 TOWN DESIGNATED EVENTS.

THOSE ARE EVENTS DESIGNATED BY THE TOWN IN WHICH WE HAVE REQUESTED FOR THEIR SERVICES.

AS FAR AS MISCOLLECTIONS CURRENTLY, WE TAKE THOSE COMPLAINTS, AS WELL AS WASTE MANAGEMENT ALSO GETS THOSE COMPLAINTS, AND ON A MONTHLY BASIS THEY SEND THAT INFORMATION AND WE ALSO TAKE KEEP TRACK OF IT WITHIN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT ITSELF.

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THE CURRENT PROPOSED CONTRACT IS GOING TO PROVIDE FOR INTEGRATION BETWEEN THE TOWN'S OUTWARD FACING CUSTOMER SERVICE SYSTEM, AND IT WILL GIVE US THE ABILITY TO VIEW IN REAL TIME THE AMOUNT OF MISCOLLECTIONS.

IF WE ALSO WILL LIKELY KEEP THE SAME TALLY ON OUR END, IF WE GET ANY MISCOLLECTIONS THAT WILL ALSO GIVE THE ABILITY FOR RESIDENTS TO SIGN IN AND MAKE ANY COMPLAINTS THROUGH MISCOLLECTIONS ABOUT ANY ISSUES THAT THEY ENCOUNTER OVER THE COURSE OF THE CONTRACT.

AS FAR AS VEHICLES THEMSELVES, IF THERE WERE ANY CONCERN ABOUT VEHICLES IN THE AMOUNT OF PERSONNEL THAT IS REQUIRED TO BE GIVEN IN A YEARLY REPORT, AND IF WE EVER HAVE TO EVER DOUBT ANY OF THOSE ITEMS, WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO AND AUDIT THOSE ITEMS WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT.

JUST SO YOU CAN SEE, I GUESS IT WAS SOMEWHAT A SIDE BY SIDE, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CARTS VERSUS CANS AND WHAT THE OVERALL COST WOULD BE FOR THE SINGLE AS WELL AS MULTI-FAMILY HOMES.

THOSE COSTS ARE LISTED THERE.

YOU'LL NOTE, LOOKING AT THIS, WASTE PRO WAS THE ONLY FIRM THAT PROVIDED A DIFFERENT COST FOR THE CONTAINERIZED MULTI-FAMILY COLLECTION AS OPPOSED TO BASICALLY ALL THE OTHER FIRMS THAT PROVIDED THE SAME COST FOR EACH, THE MULTI-FAMILY AS WELL AS THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE WASTE MANAGEMENT BE AWARDED THE TOWN'S FRANCHISE AGREEMENT FOR THE SOLID WASTE COLLECTION SERVICES.

GIVEN THE EFFICIENCIES AND COSTS FOR THE AUTOMATED AND [NOISE] SEMI-AUTOMATED COLLECTION OF USING CARTS, STAFF RECOMMENDS A METHOD USING CARTS WHICH WOULD BE AT A RATE OF 21.95 PER MONTH FOR RESIDENTIAL SERVICE.

IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN THE OVERALL COSTS OF WHAT THAT WOULD ROUGHLY BE OVER THE COURSE OF THE CONTRACT LIFE ITSELF, THAT'S AN ESTIMATED COST FOR WHAT IT WOULD BE FOR CARTS.

JUST FOR YOUR AWARENESS THE INITIAL TERM IF WE WERE TO ENTER INTO THIS CONTRACT WOULD BE EIGHT YEARS AND SEVEN MONTHS WHICH WOULD BEGIN ON MARCH 1ST, 2023 AND WOULD END ON SEPTEMBER 30TH, OF 2031.

THE CONTRACT WOULD ALLOW FOR ONE ADDITIONAL RENEWAL OF AN ADDITIONAL FIVE YEARS.

WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY PORTION OF THE PRESENTATION.

I'M GOING TO INVITE AT THIS TIME DAVID D WHO IS THE TOWN'S OUTSIDE COUNSEL WHICH WAS ALSO THE CONSULTANT FOR REALLY THIS ENTIRE PROCESS.

HE HAS BEEN VERY VALUABLE THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS.

I'LL LET HIM PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT HE FEELS THAT I MAY HAVE MISSED AND THEN ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND ALSO GUESS ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

>> GOOD EVENING. AS YOU HEARD, MY NAME IS DAVID D. I'M AN ENVIRONMENTAL LAW ATTORNEY, I'VE WORKED THROUGHOUT FLORIDA FOR THE LAST 42 YEARS.

I HAVE SPENT THE BULK OF MY PRACTICE WORKING ON SOLID WASTE ISSUES.

I'VE REPRESENTED MOST OF THE COUNTIES ON THE EAST COAST, FLORIDA, A LOT OF BIG CITIES AS WELL.

CURRENTLY WORK WITH SOLID WASTE AUTHORITY HERE IN PALM BEACH COUNTY.

LAST YEAR I HELPED MARTIN COUNTY IN THE VILLAGE OF WELLINGTON WITH THEIR RFPS AND COLLECTION CONTRACTS.

I'M DOING FOUR MORE COMMUNITIES RIGHT NOW INCLUDING THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE.

I'VE GOT SOME EXPERIENCE IN THIS AREA, I GUESS FROM MY PERSPECTIVE THIS PROCUREMENT PROCESS HAS BEEN A HUGE SUCCESS BECAUSE WE'VE DONE IT IN RECORD TIME.

I WAS BROUGHT ON IN LATE JANUARY.

WE STARTED WORKING ON THIS MIDDLE OF FEBRUARY.

GOT IT OUT ON THE STREET ON APRIL 1ST, SO SIX WEEKS, NORMALLY IT MIGHT TAKE 4-6 MONTHS TO GET THE DOCUMENT OUT ON THE STREET.

THE CREDIT FOR THAT GOES TO TOMAS FERNANDEZ, YOUR CITY MANAGER MR. KITZEROW, NIKKI CARPENTINO, KAREN MORETTA, SCOTT REYNOLDS.

THEY ALL WERE VERY VALUABLE IN HELPING TO CHIP IN AND MAKE SURE THIS THING GOT THE ATTENTION THAT IT NEEDED SO THAT WE COULD DO IT QUICKLY.

WE NEED TO DO IT QUICKLY BECAUSE WHOEVER YOU SELECT TO PROVIDE YOUR SERVICES IS GOING TO NEED A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF TIME TO OBTAIN THE TRUCKS AND THE PERSONNEL TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE THAT YOU WANT.

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THE BEAUTY OF THIS INSTANCE IS, IF YOU SELECT WASTE MANAGEMENT THE STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED, THEY'VE GOT PERSONNEL ALREADY, THEY'VE GOT TRUCKS, MAYBE NOT ALL OF THE NEW TRUCKS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE BUT THEY'RE AT LEAST ON THE GROUND HERE IN THE COMMUNITY PROVIDING SERVICE.

THAT TAKES A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF RISK OUT OF THE EQUATION OF BRINGING IN A NEW COMPANY.

I WAS VERY PLEASED DURING THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS THAT WE HAD INTEREST FROM A NUMBER OF COMPANIES.

FIVE DIFFERENT COMPANIES EXPRESSED INTEREST, THREE SUBMITTED PROPOSALS.

BECAUSE YOU HAD THREE I THINK YOU FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE THAT YOU'VE GOT GOOD COMPETITION ON PRICES.

OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS WASTE PRO HAD BEEN THE LOW-COST SERVICE PROVIDER HERE IN FLORIDA.

THEY WERE FOUNDED BY FORMER WASTE MANAGEMENT EMPLOYEES.

THEY HAD GONE AROUND THE STATE PROVIDING GOODS SERVICE FOR LOWER PRICES BECAUSE THEY WERE A PRIVATE COMPANY, DIDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT SHAREHOLDERS, DIDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE STOCK PRICE AND THINGS OF THAT SORT.

MORE RECENTLY, FCC HAS BEEN THE LOW-COST PROVIDER OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

THEY'RE PROVIDING SERVICE HERE IN PALM BEACH COUNTY TO TWO OTHER DISTRICTS FOR THE COUNTY.

HAVING BOTH WASTE PRO AND FCC SUBMIT PRICES, I FELT CONFIDENT THAT WE WERE GOING TO GET GOOD PRICES AND WE DID.

BUT I'LL CONFESS, I WAS QUITE SURPRISED WHEN, JEFF, WHERE ARE YOU? JEFF AND HIS CREW GAVE YOU THE LOWEST PRICES.

THAT'S UNUSUAL.

THAT TO ME SPOKE VOLUMES ABOUT HOW MUCH THEY WANT TO KEEP YOU AS A CUSTOMER.

NOW, I KNOW SOME OF YOU MAY BE UNHAPPY WITH THE WAY EVENTS TRANSPIRED BACK IN THE WINTER WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT.

I PERSONALLY WAS VERY UNHAPPY WITH THAT TOO.

BUT ST THE END OF THE DAY IF THEY'VE GIVEN YOU THE BEST PRICES, THEY'RE QUALIFIED, THEY'RE HERE, YOU KNOW THEM, THEY'RE CAPABLE, MY PERSPECTIVE, IT'S A NO BRAINER.

YOU NEED TO AWARD THE CONTRACT TO THEM.

THE ONLY QUESTION IS, WHICH VERSION OF THE CONTRACT ARE YOU GOING TO AWARD? YOU'VE GOT ONE VERSION THAT PROVIDES FOR COLLECTION OF GARBAGE CANS AS YOU CURRENTLY DO, THE OTHER VERSION PROVIDES FOR COLLECTION WITH GARBAGE CARTS.

ALL OF THE COMPANIES RECOMMENDED CARTS.

THAT IS DEFINITELY THE TREND HERE IN FLORIDA.

I LIVE IN TALLAHASSEE.

THE CITY OF TALLAHASSEE, LEON COUNTY WENT TO CARTS PROBABLY 20 YEARS AGO.

I WAS VERY SKEPTICAL AT FIRST.

I'M A BELIEVER NOW.

THE CARTS HAVE, AS YOU CAN SEE, HINGED LIDS SO THEY ARE CLOSED UNLESS YOU OVERFILL THEM.

BUT IT HELPS KEEP THE ODORS IN, KEEPS BUGS OUT, KEEPS RODENTS OUT, KEEPS DOGS AND CATS OUT.

RACCOON SOMETIMES GET LUCKY, THEY'RE PRETTY CLEVER.

THEY'LL GET IN ONCE IN A WHILE.

BUT BY AND LARGE THEY DO A GOOD JOB OF CONTROLLING THE WASTE, CONTAINING IT.

THEY ALSO GIVE YOU THE ABILITY TO AUTOMATE COLLECTION WHERE POSSIBLE.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE POSSIBLE TO FULLY AUTOMATE IN EVERY COMMUNITY HERE OR EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD HERE IN THIS COMMUNITY.

I PERSONALLY DROVE THROUGH ABACOA.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A BIG FULLY AUTOMATED TRUCK GOING DOWN THOSE STREETS.

IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO WORK.

BUT WHERE YOU HAVE REGULAR SIZE STREETS YOU CAN AUTOMATE.

IN THIS INSTANCE WHAT IT MEANS IS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SIX OR SEVEN FEWER EMPLOYEES THAN YOU WOULD IF YOU CONTINUED WITH MANUAL COLLECTION SERVICE.

NOW, WASTE MANAGEMENT HAS AGREED TO PROVIDE MANUAL COLLECTION SERVICE BUT THEY WARNED US AND ALL OF THE OTHER COMPANIES WARNED US, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PROBLEMS DOWN THE ROAD.

NOBODY CAN GET ENOUGH LABOR RIGHT NOW.

NOBODY CAN GET ALL THE DRIVERS THEY NEED, NOBODY CAN GET ALL THE MECHANICS.

THAT'S WHY PRICES HAVE JUMPED UP DRAMATICALLY, THAT'S WHY FROM MY PERSPECTIVE I RECOMMEND IT TO YOU, IT'S THE LOWEST COST ALTERNATIVE OR IT'S THE LOWER COST ALTERNATIVE IN ADDITION FOR WHATEVER IT'S WORTH.

WHAT I FOUND WITH CARTS IS LOTS OF COMMUNITIES ARE NERVOUS ABOUT USING CARTS FOR EXACTLY THE ISSUE YOU RAISED MR. MAYOR.

THEY'RE BIG, THEY'RE BULKY AND YOU CAN SEE IN THE BACK THEY ARE SUBSTANTIAL.

NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 64 GALLON CART AS BEING THE NORMAL, THE STANDARD FOR THIS COMMUNITY, AND THAT SHOULD WORK WITH TWICE A WEEK COLLECTION.

IF PEOPLE FIND THAT THAT'S NOT ENOUGH CAPACITY THEY CAN GET THE BIGGER ONE.

BUT I UNDERSTAND NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COMPLAIN, I CAN'T FIT IT IN MY GARAGE OR MY CARPORT OR IN A CONVENIENT PLACE. THAT'S TRUE.

I CONFESS IT'S A POTENTIAL PROBLEM.

IN MY MIND, WHAT OUTWEIGHS THOSE CONSIDERATIONS IS THOSE CARTS HAVE WHEELS.

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MY 90 PLUS YEAR OLD MOTHER COULD WHEEL THEM DOWN TO THE CURB AND GET COLLECTION.

EVEN IN HER 90S SHE WAS WHEELING THE CARTS.

NOW, IF I PERSONALLY AT MY AGE HAD TO DRAG A GARBAGE CAN DOWN TO THE STREET, IT'D BE DIFFICULT, HURT YOUR BACK, DO ALL SORTS OF THINGS.

ONCE PEOPLE GET CARTS WITH WHEELS THEY REALLY LIKE THEM.

THAT'S MY PERSONAL $0.2 WORTH.

IT'S ENTIRELY UP TO YOU AS TO HOW YOU WANT TO HANDLE IT.

IT'S JUST WHATEVER YOUR PREFERENCE IS.

NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COMPLAIN IF YOU GO TO CARTS JUST BECAUSE IT'S A CHANGE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT AND MAYBE THAT'S SIGNIFICANT TO OUTWEIGH THE CONSIDERATIONS.

IT'S NOT ENOUGH IN MY MIND BUT I APPRECIATE THAT I DON'T LIVE HERE AND I DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH YOUR RESONANCE.

IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, THE CONTRACT ITSELF IS OVER 100 PAGES.

IT'S FULL OF BOTH COMPREHENSIVE REQUIREMENTS AND DETAILED REQUIREMENTS.

THE REASON BEING OVER THE LAST 42 YEARS I'VE HAD LOTS OF CLIENTS LIKE YOU WHO COMPLAINED TO ME WHEN THEY HAD PROBLEMS WITH WHOEVER THEIR GARBAGE COLLECTOR WAS.

I TRIED TO MAKE A NOTE AND I'D ADD IT TO THE NEXT VERSION OF THE CONTRACT TO TRY AND ADDRESS EVERY ISSUE THAT WAS LIKELY TO COME UP.

IN THIS INSTANCE, ONE OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS THAT YOU'LL HAVE THAT I THINK IS AN IMPORTANT ONE, YOU'LL HAVE WHAT'S CALLED TRACK EASY.

IT'S BEING PROVIDED BY OUR WASTE MANAGEMENT UNDER THEIR PROPOSAL.

IT'S A COMPLAINT SYSTEM THAT ALLOWS RESIDENTS TO GO ONLINE, FILE COMPLAINTS, FILE REQUESTS FOR SERVICE.

WHEN THEY GET FILED, THOMAS AND THE OTHER MEMBERS OF YOUR STAFF WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO SEE THOSE COMPLAINTS.

IF THE RESIDENT PROVIDES THEIR EMAIL ADDRESS, THEY GET AN UPDATE WHEN THE SERVICE IS PROVIDED.

WHEN THE COMPLAINT IS RESOLVED.

AGAIN, THOMAS AND YOUR STAFF WILL SEE THAT THEY'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MONITOR IN REAL TIME.

I THINK THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT.

I'M HAPPY THAT WASTE MANAGEMENT IS GOING TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE FOR YOU.

IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT HAVE COME UP.

THOMAS MENTIONED THAT PEOPLE WANT EXTRA CARTS, THEY NEED SERVICE.

THEY CAN GO TO THE WASTE MANAGEMENT FACILITY IN MARTIN COUNTY.

IT'S 12 MILES FROM TOWN HALL.

I CHECKED IT ON GOOGLE MAPS THIS EVENING IS 12 MILES, SO IT'S NOT AS DISTANT AS YOU MIGHT THINK.

IT'S THE BASE THAT THEY'VE USED FOR HOWEVER MANY DECADES TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY.

IN TERMS OF THE VEHICLES THAT ARE BEING PROVIDED AND THE PERSONNEL THAT ARE BEING PROVIDED, WASTE-MANAGEMENT PROVIDED A DETAILED LIST OF THE VEHICLES THEY WOULD USE AND A DETAILED LIST OF EMPLOYEES THAT THEY WOULD USE THAT'S ATTACHED TO THE CONTRACT AND INCORPORATED INTO THE CONTRACT.

THAT EXHIBIT EXPRESSLY PROVIDES THAT AT ALL TIMES THEY WILL HAVE AT LEAST THAT MANY VEHICLES TO SERVE YOU AND THAT MANY EMPLOYEES.

AGAIN, IN SECTION I BELIEVE IT'S 25.1 OF THE CONTRACT, THAT REQUIREMENT IS INCORPORATED INTO THE BODY OF THE CONTRACT ITSELF.

SO YOU HAVE THOSE GUARANTEES THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE WHAT THEY'VE PROMISED.

IN ADDITION, THEY HAVE TO UPDATE THEIR COLLECTION PLAN WHENEVER THEY ADD VEHICLES OR REMOVE VEHICLES FROM THE CITY SERVICE, IN ADDITION TO THE ANNUAL UPDATE THAT THOMAS MENTIONED.

THE ONLY ISSUE THAT I'VE HEARD TONIGHT THAT GIVES ME SOME HEARTBURN, MR. MAYOR WAS THE ISSUE THAT YOU RAISED ABOUT THE YARD WASTE.

I RECOGNIZE THAT IN THE PAST UNDER YOUR CURRENT CONTRACT, YOU HAVE EXCEEDINGLY GENEROUS PROVISIONS FOR THE COLLECTION OF YARD WASTE.

IN LOOKING AT THE CONTRACT AND DISCUSSING IT WITH STAFF, WE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE TWICE A WEEK COLLECTION FOR YARD TRASH.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OTHER COMMUNITY IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT HAS THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE.

SOME COMMUNITIES HAVE IT EVERY OTHER WEEK.

IN THIS INSTANCE, WITH TWICE A WEEK, WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BALANCE THIS COMMUNITY SERVICE REQUIREMENTS WITH PRICING BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO THINGS THAT WOULD NEEDLESSLY ADD TO THE PRICE THAT YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FOR THE VENDOR SERVICES.

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IN THIS INSTANCE, WE DECIDED THAT OKAY, IF A RESIDENT GOES AND CLEANS OUT THE YARD FOR ME, SAY I WORK ON THE WEEKEND, TAKE ALL THE YARD TRASH OUT TO THE STREET, WHETHER IT'S EIGHT CUBIC YARDS OR 10 CUBIC YARDS, THE AVERAGE PERSON DOESN'T CARE.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER YOU HAVE A LIMIT OR NOT, THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IT OUT THERE.

THE QUESTION THEN BECOMES, OKAY, DO YOU TELL THE CONTRACTOR, THE WASTE MANAGEMENT IN THIS CASE, THEY HAVE TO PICK UP EVERYTHING.

THAT'S KNOWN AS THE QUEEN MARY REQUIREMENT.

THEY GOT TO PICK UP EVERYTHING LET'S SAY IT'S A CUB EVEN IF IT INCLUDES THE QUEEN MARY.

IN THIS INSTANCE, THE CONCLUSION THAT WE REACHED AND IS IN THE CONTRACT IS THE VENDOR HAS TO PICK UP EIGHT CUBIC YARDS.

NOW THE REALITY OF IT IS IF IT'S NINE OR 10 OR MAYBE EVEN MORE, JEFF AND HIS FOLKS, THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO PICK IT UP BECAUSE OTHERWISE THEY'RE GOING TO GET A COMPLAINT THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WANT TO DEAL WITH THE CITIZEN WHO'S HAGGLING WITH THEM ABOUT, WELL, WAS IT NINE CUBIC YARDS, WAS IT 10 CUBIC YARDS? LET'S SAY THEY DON'T, LET'S SAY IT'S A BIG PILE AND WASTE MANAGEMENT DECIDES THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PICK IT UP.

THE REALITY OF IT IS YOU'VE GOT TWICE A WEEK COLLECTION SO WITHIN THREE OR FOUR DAYS, IT'S GOING TO GET PICKED UP.

NOW, IS THAT SOMEWHAT LESS SERVICE THAN WHAT PEOPLE ARE CURRENTLY GETTING? YES, I CONFESS IT IS.

IS IT STILL EXCEPTIONALLY GREAT SERVICE BY COMPARISON EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA? YES, IT IS.

SO THAT'S HOW WE WOUND UP WHERE WE ARE.

I GUESS THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS, MR. MAYOR, I HEARD YOU SUGGEST THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THE CONTRACT TO REINSTATE THE OLD POLICY.

IF WE DO THAT, I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU THAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED REBUILD THE CONTRACT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE PUT OUT ON THE STREET, THAT'S NOT WHERE WE ASKED FOR WHEN WE GOT PRICES.

IF YOU GO TO A MORE STRINGENT SUBSTANTIVE REQUIREMENT IN THE CONTRACT, JEFF COULD REASONABLY COME BACK TO ME AND SAY, ''GIVE ME MORE MONEY.'' WE HAVE NO WAY OF PRICING THAT AND IF WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO COME UP WITH A NEW PRICE, THEN WE NEED TO LET EVERYBODY COME UP WITH A NEW PRICE.

THAT DELAYS YOUR PROCESS, THAT FURTHER JEOPARDIZES YOUR ABILITY TO HAVE NEW SERVICE ON MARCH 1.

I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK ALL OF YOU TO HOLD YOUR NOSE IF YOU LIKE, BUT TRY TO LET THAT ISSUE GO AND NOT PUSH TO TRY AND CHANGE IT BACK TO THE OLD POLICY BECAUSE THAT RUNS THE RISK OF, AS I SAY, OF RAISING YOUR PRICES AND JEOPARDIZING YOUR SCHEDULE.

IF YOU WANT TO BLAME SOMEBODY, BLAME ME.

I'LL TAKE THE HIT ON THAT ONE.

WITH THAT, I'M OPEN FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. YES, SIR.

>> ALL DUE RESPECT, I'M GOING TO ASK THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WAGE MANAGEMENT ASSUME WHEN THEY BID.

WHEN I KNOW SOMETHING WAS A POLICY DIRECTIVE AND HAS BEEN SATISFACTORILY WORKING FOR YEARS, I'M GOING TO ASK IT TO BE TAKEN BACK BETWEEN NOW IN SECOND READING IN WASTE MANAGEMENT, THE OPTION TO SAY WHETHER IT WORKS, SO LET ME EXPLAIN.

I AM DISAPPOINTED THAT AND IT'S DUE TO CHANGEOVER WE HAVE I UNDERSTAND IT, MAY NOT UNDERSTAND WHY PROVISIONS WERE PUT IN.

LET ME DESCRIBE THE SITUATION ON EIGHT CUBIC YARD LIMIT BECAUSE I THINK QUITE FRANKLY, WE CAME UP WITH THE PRACTICAL RESOLUTION ON THAT KNOWING THE WIN-WIN.

I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAPPENS TO HAVE MORE VEGETATIVE WASTE.

JUST LIKE IN ABACOA, WE PAY A PREMIUM FOR SMALLER VEHICLES, JUST LIKE IN A [INAUDIBLE], WE PAY A PREMIUM FOR DOUBLE, IN ENABLED LIKE MINE, WE RECOGNIZE THIS AS MORE LANDSCAPING DEBRIS.

IT'S ALSO IN A NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE MINE, I HAPPEN TO LIVE ON A CUL-DE-SAC.

ON A CUL-DE-SAC, THE LOGIC LESS WIDE BECAUSE THEY'RE PIE-SHAPED.

YOU CAN PUT POWERS IN FRONT OF EVERY HOUSE BECAUSE THEN THE POSTAL SERVICE CAN'T DELIVER MAIL.

THE PRACTICALITY IS ON MY CUL-DE-SAC IS JUST ONE COMMUNITY SPOT TO PUT OUR LANDSCAPING.

SO WHOEVER STARTS IT ON A SATURDAY OR SUNDAY PUTS A PILE LAYER.

I TAKE MY POM POMS INSTEAD OF HAVING A SEPARATE PILE THAT CREATES MORE WORK FOR WASTE MAN, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL INDIVIDUAL PILES, WE PUT IT SAME PILE.

NOT UNCOMMON FOR THAT PILE THEN TO GROW TO BE A LARGER SIZE BECAUSE NOW IT'S REALLY THREE OR FOUR HOMES.

WASTE MANAGEMENT KNOWS THAT, SO THEY KNOW IT MEETS THE SPIRIT, THEY PICK IT UP,

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BUT I DON'T WANT TO SEND A MESSAGE, BUT IF IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT OUR CUL-DE-SAC SIZE IS MORE THAN EIGHT YARDS THAT CAN BE LEFT BEHIND FOR THREE DAYS.

YOUR THING FROM A PRACTICAL MATTER, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT IS OKAY, WE HAVE TUESDAY AND THURSDAY AND FRIDAY PICKUP.

IF THEY MISS AND THEY DO, AND BY THE WAY, OVER THE LONG TERM, I'VE BEEN VERY SATISFIED WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT.

YEAH, THERE HAS BEEN MISSED ISSUES, WHATEVER THEY ALWAYS GET WORKED OUT IN THE LONG TERM.

I'M THRILLED ABOUT THE NEW CONTRACT, WE'RE MODERNIZING STUFF PERSONALLY, INCLUDING EVEN THE CUSTOMER FEEDBACK SYSTEM, GREAT.

I THINK THESE ARE ALL IMPROVEMENTS.

BUT IF THEY MISS SOMETHING ON A FRIDAY, IF I'M GOING TO GO WITH P, GO WITH THE WAY THE THING WAS BID, WHICH DOESN'T RECOGNIZE THE REAL-WORLD SITUATION WE HAVE HERE, IF A FRIDAY PICK UP IS MISSED, WHAT WE DEAL WITH IS CUSTOMER DOESN'T KNOW IT WAS MISSED UNTIL I GET HOME.

THEY GET HOME AND WASTE MANAGEMENT IS CLOSED.

SO WE THEN SUPPOSED TO WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT TUESDAY WHEN THEY MAY SEE IT FOR WHAT THEY BELIEVE IS THE FIRST TIME, AND THEN IT WAITS TILL THE FOLLOWING FRIDAY, SO IT'S WILLING AN IMPRACTICALITY.

IT'S WORKED OUT SUCCESSFULLY THE WAY IT IS.

I'M GOING TO ASK THAT THEY GO BACK, AND WE ASK WASTE MANAGEMENT TO LOOK AT THE WAY WE HAD PRACTICALLY WORDED IT IN THE CONTRACT, WORK FOR THEM, WORK FOR US.

I LIKE THEM TO ADDRESS THAT WITH AN ASSUMING HERE IT IS A COST INCREASE FOR THAT BECAUSE IT WAS EXTREMELY VERY PRACTICAL, SO THAT'S ONE ITEM I'M EXPLAINING WHY IT WAS WRITTEN THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN.

IT ENDED UP THERE IN PREVIOUS CONTRACTS.

LET'S COME UP WITH A WIN-WIN RESOLUTION HERE.

NO, THEY DON'T HAVE TO PICK IT UP THE SAME DAY, IT'S REASONABLE.

THIS IS A BIG PILE, THEY DON'T WANT TO TIE EVERYTHING UP ON ONE OR TWO BIG PILES.

BUT IT'S NOT UNREASONABLE TO COME BACK THE NEXT DAY. AT LEAST IT HASN'T BEEN.

AGAIN, I WANT THEM TO ANSWER BEFORE I'M GOING TO ASSUME SITTING UP HERE, THEY WON'T.

SO SECOND OF ALL, AGAIN, I'M THRILLED WITH THE CURRENT ARRANGEMENT, WE HAVE TO AND I GOT TO LET MY COLLEAGUES WEIGH IN ON THAT, BUT MOST OF US HAVE WHEELS ON COURTS, SO I SUGGESTS THAT KEY, THIS IS AN IMPROVEMENT JUST BECAUSE IT HAVE WHEELS THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

MOST OF US HAVE WHEELS.

I WAS ASKING IF 32, AND I'M THRILLED WITH THE FLEXIBILITY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, BUT I DON'T KNOW WASTE-MANAGEMENT EQUIPMENT.

IF THE EQUIPMENT WAS COMPATIBLE FOR 32 GALLON SIZE, WE'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT BECAUSE IF IT IS, THAT'D BE SOMETHING THAT'S DESIRABLE TO OUR RESONANCE.

WANT TO KNOW THAT I'M NOT LOOKING TO DRIVE COSTS UP, BUT WE HAVE CERTAINLY A LOT OF RESIDENTS THAT HAVE A HARD TIME FILLING A 32 GALLON SIZE.

AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO COMPLICATE THINGS.

SO THE QUESTION REALLY IS I APPRECIATE WASTE MANAGEMENT LISTENING AND IS THAT OR IS THAT NOT PRACTICAL? IF YOU WOULD'VE TOLD ME IT DOESN'T WORK WITH THE AUTOMATION SYSTEM, OKAY I GET THAT.

BUT IF IT DOES WORK WITH THE FULLY AUTOMATED SYSTEM, THEN I'M ASKING LEGITIMATELY, WHY CAN'T THAT BE AN OPTION? ON THE EXTREME, I LOVE THE FLEXIBILITY IN THE CONTRACT.

I LOVE THE FLEXIBILITY THAT YOU ALLOW US TO GET ANOTHER ONE.

IF 164 ISN'T ENOUGH, THE CONTRACT SAYS I GET A DIFFERENT ONE.

I CAN GET A SECOND ONE.

WHAT IT DOESN'T DO IS IT DOESN'T GIVE FLEXIBILITY TO THE CUSTOMER WHO DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF TRASH.

DID YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN BEFORE I GO ANY FURTHER, JEFF ON THIS?

>> GOOD EVENING. HONORABLE MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL AND STAFF.

BEFORE I SPEAK, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE PROCESS, WE'RE STILL UNDER THE CONE OF SILENCE, AND I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT IT'S A PUBLIC PROCEEDING AND I WOULD STAY AWAY FROM ANYTHING DEFINITIVE OR SPECIFIC IN MY ADDRESSING ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS AND OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE PROCESS.

SO WITH THAT, I'M OKAY TO PROCEED.

>> ANSWER THE QUESTION.

>> I'LL DEFINITELY. SO TO INTRODUCE AS WELL, JEFF SABIN, WM, GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS AND I'M NOT ONE-UPPING DAVID, BUT I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 43 YEARS AND ALONG WITH ME THIS EVENING IS LASZLO GONZALEZ, LASZLO IS OUR SENIOR OPERATIONS MANAGER AND THE TWO THINGS WE HAVE IN COMMON IS WE BOTH STARTED ON A TRUCK AND WE BOTH STARTED ON THE BACK OF THE TRUCK RIGHT HERE IN JUPITER.

FOR ME IT WAS A FEW MORE YEARS BEFORE HIM AND I DON'T KNOW HOW OLD HE IS, BUT HE'S VERY YOUNG.

SO I'LL GET RIGHT TO THE POINT AND ADDRESS THE CART ISSUE.

DO YOU WANT ME TO START WITH YARD WASTE SINCE THAT PRECEDED?

>> EITHER ONE WOULD BE FINE. TWO OF THEM HAVE TO BE ANSWERED.

>> WM DID SUBMIT OUR PROPOSAL BASED ON THIS ABSOLUTE SPECIFICATIONS AS OUTLINED IN THE RFP.

MEANING ALL THE LEVELS OF SERVICE, INCLUDING THE YARD WASTE COLLECTION AND THE LIMITS AND

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ALSO THE RETURN DATES AS WELL SO THAT WAS SPECIFIC.

WE DID OBVIOUSLY, BASED ON THE COMPARATIVE PRICING, WE SHARPENED OUR PENCILS AND PENS AND EVERYTHING ELSE BECAUSE OF THE PRICING THAT WE WERE ABLE TO PROPOSE AND PROVIDE YOU WITH.

SO FOR US, WE WOULD CONSIDER IT, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD SIT DOWN BETWEEN NOW AND THE SECOND READING TO DISCUSS, BECAUSE THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE COULD TALK ABOUT, NOT SUBSTANTIVE, OF COURSE, AS MR. D AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXPLANATION, MR. D AND THANK YOU, THOMAS AS WELL FOR GOING OVER AND THE PROCESS WAS JUST AS THEY EXPLAINED.

IT WAS SO PROFESSIONAL ON TIME, EVERYTHING WAS BY THE BOOK AS THEY SAY.

SO CARTS, AS WHAT WAS REPRESENTED, THE CART SIZES IN THE INDUSTRY, I'LL SPEAK TO THE INDUSTRY, AS I SAID, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE REDUNDANT, BUT WE'RE MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION, THE AUTOMATION WE HAVE TO BECAUSE OF THE LABOR AND I KNOW WE SPOKE TO YOU EARLIER THIS YEAR AND HAD THE SAME DISCUSSIONS AND EXCHANGES IN TERMS OF THAT.

SO SIZE IS SMALL TO LARGE.

THE 30 GALLON ARE STANDARD HOUSEHOLD SET OUT.

IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE AUTOMATED COLLECTION VEHICLE, THE FULLY AUTOMATED AND I THINK MR. MAYOR, AS YOU INDICATED, ALL OF OUR REAR LOAD TRUCKS, I THINK ALL OF THEM HAVE FLIPPERS.

SO SEMI-AUTOMATED WISE, WE CAN PRETTY MUCH TIP ANYTHING THAT HAS A BAR ON IT, WHICH WE DO AND IF YOU'VE NOTICED AND OBSERVED OVER THE NUMBER OF POLY IN THE LAST 5-8 YEARS, THE BIG BOX STORES ARE SELLING 50, 60, 70 GALLON CARTS ALREADY.

THERE ARE A LOT OF THEM OUT THERE ON THE CURVE NOW.

SO WE DO HAVE FLIPPERS.

WE CAN SERVICE THOSE SEMI-AUTOMATED AND YES, THERE ARE COMMUNITIES AND NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE ALREADY PANNED OUT AND ROUTED FOR SEMI-AUTOMATED BECAUSE THE AUTOMATED TRUCKS ARE TOO LARGE TO MANEUVER THROUGH THOSE [INAUDIBLE] BEING THE PRIMARY ONE THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.

THEN LASTLY, AS WE MOVE UP THE 64 GALLON CART, THE ONE TO THE RIGHT, THAT'S A STANDARD RECYCLING CART.

SIXTY-FOUR GALLON IS PRIMARILY THE ONE THAT'S ISSUED FOR ALL SINGLE STREAM RECYCLING BECAUSE WE'RE DUAL STREAMING HERE IN PALM BEACH COUNTY BECAUSE THE SOLID WASTE AUTHORITY STILL HAS US SEPARATING AT THE CURB, THE TWO CONSTITUENTS, THE FIBER AND THE COMMINGLED.

TO ADDRESS THOSE, WE HAVE SPLIT BODY TRUCKS, WHICH ARE AN IMPROVEMENT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW BUT THE 64 GALLON CART WE JUST ISSUED TO MARTIN COUNTY, COUNTYWIDE, 48 THOUSAND FOR THEIR SINGLE STREAM PROGRAM.

BECAUSE I'M A MARTIN COUNTY RESIDENT, I BOUGHT FILLED THAT UP NOT QUITE ONCE A WEEK, BUT THE 96 OR 95 GALLON CART, THAT IS THE UNIVERSAL MSW OR GARBAGE CART.

THAT'S THE SAME ONE THAT THE SOLID WASTE AUTHORITY ALL IN UNINCORPORATED PALM BEACH COUNTY HAS DEALT AT DELRAY WELLINGTON AND GO DOWN THE LIST HERE, ALL THAT'S AUTOMATED, THERE ARE 96 GALLON CARTS.

BECAUSE IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE CURRENT LEVELS OF SERVICE, IT'S UNLIMITED GARBAGE IN THE TOWN OF JUPITER, AS YOU KNOW.

YOU PUT IT OUT, WE PICK IT UP.

MY CONCERN IS IF YOU GO TO THE SMALLER 64 GALLON CART, THERE ARE AREAS IN THE TOWN THAT CERTAINLY WILL FILL THAT UP.

THEY PUT OUT 330 GALLON CANS TWICE A WEEK AS IT IS.

OBVIOUSLY, YOU DO THE MATH, THAT'S 90 GALLONS.

THE LAST THING THAT WE WANT AS YOUR HOPEFULLY, YOUR PROVIDER, WE HOPE IS FOR ANYTHING TO BE LEFT AT THE CURB, ANY OVERAGE BECAUSE THE LAST THING WE WANT TO PULL UP TO HAVE THE AUTOMATED TRUCK WITH A SINGLE DRIVER INSIDE, PULL UP 64 AND GALLON CART AND HAVE TWO BAGS OF GARBAGE NEXT TO THE CAR IN ADDITION TO A FULL CART.

THAT TOTALLY DEFEATS THE WHOLE PURPOSE AND IF YOU HAVE A LAWN CHAIR THAT YOU WANT TO BREAK UP AND GET RID OF OR ANY OF THOSE LITTLE ITEMS, IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY HARD TO STICK IT IN THAT 64 AND GALLON CART TRUST ME.

THE 96, YOU CAN PUT A LOT OF EXTRA THINGS IN AND THEN YOU'VE GOT HOLIDAYS, MAKEUP DAYS, AND YEAH THE SUSPENSION OF SERVICE WHEN THE SOLID WASTE AUTHORITY DECIDES THERE'S GOING TO BE A TROPICAL STORM.

IT DIDN'T, BUT STILL SUBSERVICE ON SATURDAY.

WELL, THOSE PEOPLE HAD TO WAIT A WHOLE ANOTHER COLLECTION DAY TILL WEDNESDAY.

SO I'M JUST WANTING TO SHARE SOME OF THE INDUSTRY THOUGHT PROCESSES AND WHAT I FEEL CURB MANAGEMENT WOULD BE AND I THINK GOING WITH A 96 GALLON CART WOULD BE THE WAY TO GO BECAUSE YOU GET THAT, FIRST OF ALL, THE BANK FOR THE BUCKET FROM OUR STANDPOINT,

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IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER AND PUT WHATEVER.

YOUR DECISIONS IS YOUR DECISION, BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO REDUCE THE LEVELS OF SERVICE PROVIDED, ESPECIALLY SOME OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS AND AREAS THAT YOU VERY WELL KNOW GENERATE MORE THAN 64 GALLONS TWICE A WEEK.

SO I LEAVE YOU WITH THAT AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I'M HERE THROUGH YOUR STAFF AS WELL.

>> I THINK I'M GOING TO LET OTHERS WEIGH IN, BUT IF I JUST WANT TO BRING CLOSURE AND THE TWO ITEMS AND I ASKED, I GET IT.

SO BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT, CONSIDER.

BUT WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING A QUESTION ON THE VEGETATIVE WASTE, PLEASE COME BACK MY CUL-DE-SAC.

THERE'S A PILE THAT WAS STARTED ON SATURDAY, IT WAS MISSED TODAY. IT'S TUESDAY.

SO IT'S SUPPOSED TO WAIT UNTIL FRIDAY TO BE PICKED UP BY THE WARDS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IN A CONTRACT.

THAT'S SILLY. IT'S SILLY WHEN WE KNOW IT'S A MULTIFAMILY PILE.

SO PLEASE TAKE THIS INTO ACCOUNT THAT PRACTICALITY BECAUSE IT'S A PRACTICALITY.

PEOPLE CAN'T PUT TRASH PILES OUT THAT STOPPED US POSTAL SERVICE FROM DELIVERING MAIL.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF PRACTICALITIES HERE.

I THINK IT'S JUST CRAZY THAT WE ARE DEBATING ABOUT THAT, BUT IT'S YOUR PREROGATIVE TO COME BACK, BUT TELL ME HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE ADDRESSED AND THEN I GET IT ON THE COURTS.

I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE CAN I LIVE WITH THE BIGGER COURTS? YES. IN THE TOWN OF JUPITER TYPICALLY FOR NEIGHBORS THAT YOU TALK ABOUT, AT LEAST SOME OF THEM THAT CAN'T EVEN GET THE BIG TRUCK DOWN, A LOT OF THOSE IN THE TOWN HOMES AND WHATEVER, THEY HAVE NO PLACE TO PUT IT ANYWAY.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.

I'M TALKING ABOUT TOWN HOME.

SO WE REALLY HAVE TO BE REALISTIC HERE.

IT'S DIFFERENT WHEN YOU'RE COMPARING, IN MY OPINION, MARTIN COUNTY, THAT DOESN'T HAVE MANY OF THOSE TYPES.

SO I JUST TOOK THE DEGREE THAT THEY ARE SEMI-AUTOMATIC AND I GET IT, YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE 332 GALLON CANS OUT THERE.

I GET ALL THAT, BUT IF SOMEONE'S GOT 332 GALLON CANS, THEN YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO OBJECT TO HAVE A 64 AND A 96.

BUT IF IT'S ALREADY SEMIAUTOMATIC, AT LEAST FOR THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS, I THEN WANT TO ASK, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO COMMIT ANYTHING HERE, JUST THINK ABOUT THE PRACTICALITY OF SERVING 60,000 RESONANCE IN OUR TOWN.

THAT IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE FULLY AUTOMATED AND I'M ALL FOR THE FULLY AUTOMATED, SO IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, IT IS WHAT IT IS.

BUT IN THOSE THAT YOU CAN'T GET THE FULLY AUTOMATED AND IT'S SEMI-AUTOMATED AND YOU SAID YOU'RE GOING TO JUST WALK IT OVER THE TIP OR ANYWAY, WOULD THAT WORK? WE JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT WOULD WORK WITHOUT RAISING COSTS.

>> RIGHT.

>> DO THIS FROM A WIN-WIN PERSPECTIVE.

SO ON THE CARTS, JUST WANT TO PREFACE WHY I WAS ASKING THAT RIGHT.

FOR THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT YOU YOURSELF DESCRIBE, YOU CAN PICK UP AUTOMATED ANYWAY AND YOU GO OVER, YOU HAVE A TEMPER.

SO JUST THINK ABOUT THAT BETWEEN THIS MEETING, THE NEXT MEETING AND THEN JUST LASTLY, I WANT TO SAY BECAUSE I'D GOTTEN ALL MY COMMENTS AND AHEAD-OF-TIME, BUT I WAS EXPECTING SOME DIFFERENT RESOLUTIONS ON THEM BY GETTING AHEAD OF TIME AS OPPOSED TO NO L CAN'T GET THEM.

I'M DISAPPOINTED ABOUT THAT.

BUT THAT SAID, I'M GRATEFUL ALSO FOR WASTE MANAGEMENT'S NEW TRACK EASY SYSTEM.

LET'S COORDINATE SOMETHING DIFFERENT JEFF WILL CALL IT THE CUSTOMER FEEDBACK SYSTEM AS OPPOSED TO COMPLAINT SYSTEM.

I LOVE ABOUT THAT.

I THINK THAT'S AN IMPROVEMENT.

THE SYSTEM WE'VE HAD HAS NEVER WORKED SO I LOVE TO ADD THAT SYSTEM SETUP THAT ALLOW THE FEEDBACK BECAUSE I DO KNOW WHEN FEEDBACK HAS GOTTEN TO WASTE MANAGEMENT, IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT TO GET THERE SOMETIMES BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET IT IN.

BUT WHEN IT'S GOT IT, YOU GUYS ATTACK IT GENERICALLY AND IT'S SOLVED.

IT MAY COME BACK AGAIN, WHICH IS AT SIX MONTHS LATER, A YEAR LATER, WHATEVER, BUT IT GETS RESOLVED.

SO I'M THRILLED ABOUT THAT ASPECT OF IT AS WELL.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BENEFITING AND WE'RE NOT HAVING A DUPLICATED SYSTEM BECAUSE IF THERE REALLY IS A SYSTEM, IT OUGHT TO BE ONE USED BY ALL.

I LOVE THAT TOO, BUT I WANT TO JUST EMPHASIZE THAT THAT'S BECAUSE WE'VE NEVER HAD THAT AND THEN EVEN THINGS IN THE CONTRACT LOOK, I REACTED AGAIN, I'M DISAPPOINTED.

SO I'M COMING ACROSS THAT WAY, YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT.

IF THE CONTRACT SAYS THE CONTRACTOR CAN HAVE THAT OFFICE 40 MILES AWAY.

I KNOW YOUR OFFICES IN 40 MILES AWAY, BUT I'D LIKE THE CURRENT TRACK CHANGE TO BE WHAT IT IS, I DON'T WANT TO AGREE TO WHO KNOWS WHAT COULD HAPPEN WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT OVER EIGHT YEARS.

WELL, THEY SHUT DOWN THAT AND THEY WANT TO GO AHEAD AND SAY, ALL RESIDENTS HAVE TO DRIVE UP THE PORT SAINT LUCY.

IT'S LESS THAN 40 MILES.

WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE TO ME AS MAYOR? NO.

I HOPE THAT'S NOT A CHANGE THAT'S GOING TO COST US MONEY.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO PROTECT, YOU ENTER INTO CONTRACT,

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YOU WANT THE CONTRACT TO REPRESENT WHAT YOU CAN AGREE TO DO BUSINESS ON AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED THAT QUESTION AHEAD OF TIME.

I DO THINK SOME OF THESE CHANGES TO ME, IT'S PART OF THE PROCESS AND I HOPE THAT CAN BE INCORPORATED.

PEOPLE MAY THINK I'M BEING UNREASONABLE ABOUT THIS, BUT WHO KNOWS WHAT HAPPENS OVER THE COURSE OF AN EIGHT-YEAR, WHAT COULD BE A 13 YEAR CONTRACT.

WE WANT IT TO BE GENERIC PARTICULARLY WITH THE PICKUP OF CARTS, BECAUSE CUSTOMERS MAY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PICK PER CART AND SAVE THE DELIVERY FEE.

IF IT'S 12 MILES AWAY, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO FOR 40 MILES.

WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MY COLLEAGUES AND I APOLOGIZE.

>> MAYOR, I HAVE A QUESTION ON PROCESS.

ARE WE GOING AROUND THE DIETS, SO DO YOU WANT US TO PIGGYBACK?

>> YES. [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING].

>> JUST BEFORE ALL DUE RESPECT, [NOISE] ON THE CART IN SPECIFIC TO THIS PROPOSED AGREEMENT, THE PROVISION IN THIS PROPOSED AGREEMENT REFERENCES THE CART SIZES AS THE 64 GALLON BEING THE PRIMARY CART OFFERING AND THAT THE 96 WOULD BE OFFERED TO THOSE AREAS, COMMUNITIES AND NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WANTED LARGER CARTS.

MY SUGGESTION IS TO JUST FLIP THAT AND MAKE THE 96 THE PRIMARY WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES AS THE SEMI-AUTOMATED ONES WOULD REQUEST POTENTIALLY THE SMALLER CART, ESPECIALLY IN THOSE COMMUNITIES THAT WE KNOW ARE GOING TO BE DIFFICULT AND THOSE THAT WE KNOW WOULD BE WHAT WAS REFERENCED PRIOR.

COUNSEL MAY MENTIONED THE HYBRID APPROACH WHERE THERE WON'T BE AN AREA OF THE TOWN OF JUPITER THAT WASTE-MANAGEMENT WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PICK UP UNDER ALL THREE OF THOSE SCENARIOS.

I JUST WANT TO REPRESENT THAT. THANK YOU.

>> DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS YOU WANT TO ASK THAT WERE?

>> I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS GOING TO BE FOR STAFF OR THE RENEWAL RATE FOR THE FIVE-YEAR IS AT THE SAME RATE THAT WE'RE NEGOTIATING RIGHT NOW OR ARE THEY GOING TO COME BACK LIKE THEY DID LAST TIME AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO RENEW, BUT YOUR NEW RATE IS X?

>> WHEN WE RENEW, EACH YEAR WE'LL BE ABLE TO RENEW FOR A NEW RATE, WHICH DEALS WITH A CPI ADJUSTMENT, AS WELL AS A FUEL ADJUSTMENT, WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN THE EXISTING CONTRACT.

THIS DOES OUR YEARLY RENEWAL RATE ON WHEN WE DO CHANGE THE RATE EACH YEAR, IT DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO UP AND DOWN, DEALS WITH INFLATION AS WELL AS COSTS, DEALING WITH FUEL AS WELL AS WHAT'S, LIKE I SAID, IS IN THIS IN THE CPI RATE.

BUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE FUTURE, THE FACT IS THAT THE RENEWAL RATE IS GOING TO BE UNDER THE SAME PRETENSES OF YOU'RE USING THE CPI RATE WITH THE FUEL ADJUSTMENT AS WELL AS THE CPI PORTION, THERE IS NO GOING BACK AND IF THEY WERE TO COME BACK AND SAY WE DON'T WANT TO CHOOSE THE SAME RATE OR WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, THEN THE FACT IS, IS THAT WE GO BACK OUT TO BID.

THAT'S HOW IT GOES.

>> IF I COULD TRY TO CLARIFY THAT.

>> YEAH.

>> THERE ARE ANNUAL CPI INCREASES, WHICH IS WHAT THOMAS WAS MENTIONING EARLIER.

IN TERMS OF THE RENEWAL AT THE END OF THE EIGHT YEAR TERM.

AT THAT POINT, THEY HAVE TO GIVE YOU [NOISE] NOTICE IF THEY DO NOT WISH TO RENEW UNDER THE SAME TERMS AND CONDITIONS AND RATES, THEY HAVE TO GIVE YOU THAT NOTICE, IT'S AT LEAST 18 MONTHS IN ADVANCE WITH THE IDEA BEING, IF YOU GET THAT NOTICE, THEN YOU KNOW YOU NEED TO PREPARE AN RFP, ISSUE THE RFP AND GET A NEW VENDOR.

BUT THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO CONTINUE.

THAT RESPECTFULLY IS REASONABLE BECAUSE AFTER YOU'VE HELD THEM TO THE CONTRACT FOR EIGHT YEARS AND THEY MAY DECIDE THEY ARE NO LONGER WILLING TO PROVIDE SERVICE UNDER THOSE TERMS.

>> THANK YOU. I KNOW I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, SAY WE HAVE A RESIDENT THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THE CART PERIOD.

THEY PRODUCE ONE BAG OF TRASH A WEEK, THAT'S IT.

I KNOW THOSE RESIDENTS OF THE TOWN, THEY JUST TOSS A LITTLE TRASH BAG OUT TO THE CURBSIDE [NOISE] AND THAT'S IT.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DRAG A WHOLE CART DOWN TO THE CURB, DOES THAT GET INCLUDED IN WHAT YOU CONSIDER BULK COLLECTION AS WE DISCUSSED OR HOW DOES THAT WORK?

>> THEY'RE GOING TO USE A CART.

>> BUT IF THEY DON'T?

>> IF THEY DON'T, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A DIFFERENT WAY TO GET RID OF THE GARBAGE.

>> OKAY.

>> IT'S EITHER EVERYBODY'S ON A CART OR EVERYBODY IS ON CANS.

RESPECTFULLY, MR. MAYOR, WHEN YOU RAISED YOUR COMMENT EARLIER ABOUT, IF I UNDERSTOOD YOU CORRECTLY, IN AREAS WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE SEMI-AUTOMATED COLLECTION, WHERE THERE IS A PERSON GOING GETTING THE CART OR GETTING A CAN AND BRING IT TO THE BACK OF THE TRUCK AND TIPPING IT IN, YOU HAD ASKED ABOUT USING 32 GALLON CONTAINERS FOR THAT.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AS JEFF INDICATED,

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THAT FOR THE FULLY AUTOMATED TRUCKS, THEY CAN'T HANDLE THOSE SMALL CARTS.

THEY TEND TO BREAK THE SMALL CARTS.

IN THE SEMI-AUTOMATED AREAS, YES, YOU COULD USE A 32 GALLON CART, THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A REVISION TO THE CONTRACT AND I SHOULD EXPLAIN, THIS CONTRACT'S GONE TO WASTE MANAGEMENT, IT'S BEEN SIGNED BY THE PRESIDENT, THEY'VE GIVEN US A PERFORMANCE BOND, THEY'VE GIVEN US A PARENT CORPORATION GUARANTEE, IT'S READY TO GO.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE CONTRACT AND YOU WANT TO THROW IT OUT, THAT'S FINE BUT JUST UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S PREPARED AND IT'S SIGNED AND NOW IT'S JUST AWAITING FOR THE TOWN SIGNATURE.

>> BEFORE I BEGIN MY QUESTIONS, I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROCESS.

JUST ASSUMING ME AS MAIN COUNCILOR, [NOISE] I WANTED TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT STAFF HAVE FINISHED THEIR PRESENTATION AND I WANTED TO WAIT.

I'M NOT GOING TO BE GIVING COMMENTS, SO I'M GOING TO BE WITHHOLDING COMMENTS UNTIL EVERYONE'S HAD A CHANCE TO ASK QUESTIONS BECAUSE IT MAY CHANGE MY COMMENTS SO I'LL PROVIDE THOSE AFTER.

FOR NOW MY QUESTIONS MOSTLY HAVE TO DO WITH THE TRANSITION.

THIS IS A TRANSITION FOR OUR TOWN AND THERE'S A TRANSITION PLAN THAT'S MENTIONED IN THE CONTRACT AND SOME OF THE DATES, IT ALSO MENTIONS THAT A SENIOR OR A CUSTOMER SERVICE REPRESENTATIVE WILL BE THERE FOR ONE MONTH, BUT WE HAVE TWO READINGS.

WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR TALKING TO RESIDENTS ABOUT A NUMBER OF CHANGES THAT ARE GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THIS SERVICE? HOW ARE WE GOING TO ANSWER THEIR QUESTIONS? IS IT POSSIBLE TO DO IT BETWEEN THE TWO READINGS OR TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK FOR SOME OF THESE CHOICES THAT WE'RE MAKING OR TWEAKS THAT WE CAN DO? HOW ARE WE GETTING THE INFORMATION OUT TO RESIDENTS? HOW ARE WE GETTING FEEDBACK FROM THEM AS WE TRANSITION?

>> FOR THE TRANSITION ITSELF, THE TOWN WOULD, ASSUMING WE GO TO CARTS, THE TOWN WOULD BE WORKING WITH WASTE-MANAGEMENT TO ENSURE THAT VARIOUS MATERIALS THAT DEAL WITH THE CART PLACEMENT, CART SIZES, THAT INFORMATION WOULD GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC.

ON STAFFS END, WE WOULD ALSO NEED TO WORK WITH WASTE-MANAGEMENT TO GET INFORMATION OUT TO THE RESIDENTS THEMSELVES FOR ANY COMMUNITIES WHO MAY BE INTERESTED IN GOING OUT FOR A LARGER SIZE UP TO THE 96 GALLON BUT AS YOU HAD MENTIONED, THERE IS A TRANSITION PLAN AND AN ACTUAL PLAN WITHIN THE CONTRACT ITSELF WHICH DOES REQUIRE THAT WASTE-MANAGEMENT HIT ALL OF THE VARIOUS MILESTONES LEADING UP TO THE COMMENCEMENT DATE ON THE CONTRACT.

THERE ARE VARIOUS MATERIALS THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO WORK WITH US AND GET TO US OVER THE COURSE OF THE PERIOD OF TIME, AND WE WOULD SEND THAT INFORMATION OUT TO THE RESIDENTS THEMSELVES.

WE COULD ALWAYS WORK EARLIER IF IT'S NECESSARY.

I THINK IT'S ALWAYS BETTER TO GET INFORMATION OUT EARLIER IF POSSIBLE BUT ESSENTIALLY, WE WOULD NEED TO WORK WITH WASTE-MANAGEMENT TO GET THAT INFORMATION OUT TO THE RESIDENTS THEMSELVES.

>> THAT WOULD HAPPEN EARLIER.

THEN JUST A COUPLE OF SMALL QUESTIONS, THE AUTOMATED SECTION OF THIS WOULD BE FOR GARBAGE, FOR SOLID WASTE, IT WOULD NOT BE FOR RECYCLING OR FOR BULK WASTE.

THAT WOULD STILL BE MANUAL IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.

>> FOR RECYCLING AND BULK, THAT CAN LIKELY BE MORE OF A DISCUSSION THAT JEFF CAN ANSWER ALL OF THE OPERATIONAL PORTION ON.

BUT AS FAR AS RECYCLING, THAT'S STILL A MANUAL PROCESS, THEY GO AND PICK THOSE ITEMS UP AS FAR AS THE VEGETATIVE IF THERE IS, LET'S SAY A TRUCK WHERE THERE'S A REQUIRE FOR A CLAMSHELL TO PICK UP, [NOISE] THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE AUTOMATED BUT THAT IN A WAY IS ALSO PARTIALLY A MANUAL ITEM, BUT I'LL LET JEFF ANSWER SOME OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS IN DEALING WITH HOW THOSE OPERATIONS TAKE PLACE.

>> THANK YOU. YES. THE YARD WASTE, PARTICULAR THE TWICE A WEEK YARD WASTE WILL STILL DEPLOY THE REAR-END LOAD TRUCKS FOR WHAT WE CALL YARD WASTE REGULAR.

THAT'S THE NORMAL PUT IT OUT AND WE PICK IT UP WITH THE REGULAR TRUCK TWICE A WEEK.

THEN FOR ANY OTHER ABNORMALLY LARGE OR SPECIFICATIONS LONGER, HEAVIER, BE PICKED UP BY THE CLAMSHELL TRUCK AND THAT'S ONCE A WEEK.

WE NOT ONLY PICK UP THE YARD WASTE, WHAT WE CALL LARGE PILE OR BULK PILE, WE ALSO PICK UP BULKY ITEMS AS WELL WITH THE CLAMSHELL TRUCK.

ALL THOSE SERVICES REMAIN THE SAME AND THEN THE RECYCLING,

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AS THOMAS INDICATED, IT REMAINS THE SAME.

THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS BECAUSE IT'S DUAL SOIL AT THE CURB, WE'RE DEPLOYING SPLIT BODY REAR LOAD TRUCKS TO COLLECT THOSE VERSUS THE SIDE LOADERS AND WHAT THAT ENABLES US TO DO IS TAKE LARGER PIECES OF CARDBOARD AND THINGS THAT ARE RECYCLABLE, SO WE'RE PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT THE SPECIFICATION OR THE NEW TRUCKS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DEPLOYING AS WELL.

>> I DID SEE SOMETHING, IT WAS RATHER SPECIFIC.

THE CARDBOARD CUT INTO THREE BY THREE FEET PIECES, SO I LOOKED AT THE OLD CONTRACT THAT WE HAD HAD IN PLACE, I DIDN'T SEE IT THERE, BUT I DO SEE IT HERE AND SO I WONDERED IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO RECYCLING CARDBOARD IN THE TOWN.

>> THAT'S A REALLY GREAT QUESTION BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE ACROSS THE BOARD ESPECIALLY COVID, AMAZON, LARGE TV'S, APPLIANCES.

EVERYTHING IS COMING IN LARGER AND LARGER, PIECES OF CARDBOARD AND BOXES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

YES, THE WAY THE CONTRACT IS CURRENTLY, THE PROVISION FOR THAT DOES REQUIRE THE THREE-BY-THREE.

WE DON'T HOLD OUR CREWS, NOR DO WE GIVE THEM MEASURING TAPE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

THEY WANT THAT CURVE TO BE CLEAN.

THEY'LL EVEN BREAK UP LARGER PIECES OF CARDBOARD AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO THAT WITH THE REAR LOAD TRUCK.

BECAUSE IT'LL BE ABLE TO CUT AND COMPRESS.

ALL OF THE FIBER THAT COMES OUT, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF.

NOW, THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME MOVE-IN AND MOVE-OUTS WHERE WE'LL DO THE BEST WE CAN.

BUT SOME OF THOSE WE WILL PICK UP WITH PROBABILITY THE BULK TRUCK.

BUT YES, UNDER THIS NEW PROGRAM, I BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DIVERT MORE RECYCLABLE MATERIAL WITHIN THE TOWN BECAUSE OF THESE NEW SPLIT-BODY TRUCKS, SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

>> WONDERFUL. I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION FROM A RESIDENT ABOUT ELECTRONICS.

ARE WE COLLECTING ELECTRONICS CURBSIDE OR CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT?

>> I CAN. THE SOLID WASTE AUTHORITY OF PALM BEACH COUNTY HAS A DEPOT RIGHT HERE ON MILITARY TRAIL AND DONALD ROSS, THAT'S SUPER CONVENIENT FOR RESIDENTS TO NOT ONLY BRING THEIR ELECTRONICS TO, BUT THEY'RE FLUORESCENT BULBS, ALL THOSE BATTERIES BECAUSE WE REALLY LIKE TO KEEP THEM OUT OF THE WASTE STREAM AND WE'D LIKE TO PROMOTE THAT AND HOW KATE MARIETTA WAS WORKING ON AND HAS IN THE PAST PROGRAMS WHERE THEY TAKE TOURS OF NOT ONLY OUR FACILITY BUT THE SOLID WASTE AUTHORITY, HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE DEPOT RIGHT THERE.

IT'S IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE TRANSFER STATION.

IT MAKES IT REALLY CONVENIENT FOR TOWN OF JUPITER RESIDENTS TO ACCESS THAT.

WE REALLY ENCOURAGE RESIDENTS TO TAKE ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT SHOULDN'T GO IN THE GARBAGE RIGHT DOWN THE STREET TO THE SOLID WASTE AUTHORITY DEPOT.

>> OKAY. I WANTED TO CLARIFY, YOU HAD MENTIONED THE BENEFITS OF THE TWO DIFFERENT SIZES AND HOW THE 96-GALLON, I THINK IS THE DEFAULT ELSEWHERE IN THE COUNTY.

BUT HERE IN OUR CONTRACT, WE CAN REQUEST AS MANY OF THE OTHER SIZE.

IS THAT RIGHT? THERE'S NO LIMIT PER SE IF WE WANTED TO HAVE TWO OF THE SMALLER SIZE.

AS A WOMAN, I DON'T LIKE THE LARGE CART.

I LIKE THE SMALLER ONE, AND IT'S SOMETIMES IRRATIONAL AND I WOULD ALMOST RATHER HAVE TWO.

IT'S BIZARRE, BUT IT'S MY PREFERENCE, SO IS IT BECAUSE THERE'S NO LIMIT PER POTENTIALLY? IT MAY NOT BE A PROBLEM.

>> CORRECT. THERE IS NO LIMIT ON THE AMOUNT OF CARTS. [OVERLAPPING]

>> FOR RECYCLING BINS OR?

>> NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.

>> THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. THANK YOU.

>> I JUST HAVE SOME GENERAL QUESTIONS FOR ANYBODY THAT MIGHT BE WATCHING, EIGHT YEARS IS A LONG CONTRACT, THERE IS A LOT OF MOVING PARTS.

SPECIFICALLY, IT'S FOR THE RESIDENTIAL 2195 A MONTH, THAT'LL BE ADJUSTED YEARLY, CORRECT?

>> CORRECT.

>> ARE THERE ANY PERCENTAGE MAXIMUM THAT COULD BE INCREASED OR DECREASED OR ZERO. IS IT LOCKED IN OR?

>> PREVIOUSLY THERE WAS A MAXIMUM PERCENTAGE OF FIVE PERCENT DUE TO THE CURRENT INFLATION MARKET.

WE TRIED TO WORK IN SOMETHING THAT WAS A LITTLE MORE REASONABLE AT THE CURRENT MOMENT OF THE MAX IS SET UP AT SEVEN PERCENT, AND DOES ALLOW FOR INCREASES AND DECREASES.

NOT TO SAY THAT WE WANT A RECESSION, BUT SHOULD THAT HAPPEN, THAT DOES ALLOW FOR BOTH.

>> IF WASTE MANAGEMENT APPROACHES NOW SAYS WE NEED TO GO UP SIX PERCENT.

THE NUMBERS WERE AVAILABLE FOR YOU FOLKS TO AUDIT IT AND MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S.

>> THE NUMBERS ARE AVAILABLE, SO BASICALLY IT'S THE CPI WHICH BASED ON THE BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS, THOSE ARE PUBLISHED THEY ARE A PUBLIC DOCUMENT.

THAT IS THE WAY THAT THEY WOULD BE ADJUSTED AS WELL AS A FUEL ADJUSTMENT,

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WHICH IS A PPI ADJUSTMENT.

WE ARE ABUSING AN AVERAGE OVER A COURSE OF THAT YEAR IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT, SO IT'S NOT JUST THAT WE'RE PICKING A SPOT IN TIME FROM THIS TO THIS.

IT'S NO, WELL NOW WE'RE GOING TO ADJUST OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR.

THE UP AND DOWN, IT WILL BE AN AVERAGE OVER THE COURSE OF THAT YEAR.

>> GOOD EXPLANATION. I GOT SOME QUESTIONS ON THIS WEEK.

STAY PUT, JEFF CAN I SPEAK WITH YOU FOR A SECOND, I HAVE A QUESTION.

YOUR AUTOMATED TRUCKS, ARE THEY COMPARABLE IN SIZE TO YOUR STANDARD TRUCKS THAT ARE IN SERVICE TODAY, OR ARE THEY BIGGER?

>> BECAUSE THEY'RE EQUAL CAPACITY AND HEIGHT-WISE.

I THINK THEY'RE THE SAME SIZE, SAME CAPACITY.

YEAH. [OVERLAPPING] I'M JUST THINKING THE REASON I HESITATED IS BECAUSE THE NEWER TRUCKS ARE COMPRESSED NATURAL GAS-POWERED VEHICLES.

THEY'VE BEEN REMODIFIED IN DESIGN FOR THE TANK, BUT NOW IT HASN'T AFFECTED ITS HEIGHT.

THE NEWER, WHAT WE CALL PROBABLY THIS WOULD BE THE THIRD OR FOURTH VERSION OF THESE TRUCKS, THERE ABOUT EXACTLY THE SAME SIZE.

>> I'M MORE CONCERNED WITH THE WIDTH.

BECAUSE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S A SMALL 45 HOME.

SATURDAY MORNING, YOU'LL HEAR THE TRUCK OUT THERE BEEPING BECAUSE PEOPLE PARK ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD, NOT SUPPOSED TO, BUT THEY DO.

WILL THAT BE A LARGER ISSUE OR ARE THEY WIDER OR ARE THEY THE SAME WIDTH AS THE OTHER TRUCKS?

>> THE TURNING RADIUSES ARE THE SAME.

ACTUALLY THE NEW TRUCKS NOW ARE COMING OUT.

ACTUALLY, WM IS SPECIFYING THE NEW TRUCKS WITH THE SUPER SINGLES.

I DON'T WANT TO GET TECHNICAL, BUT THE LARGER TIRE, WE'RE GETTING AWAY FROM THE DEW LEASE BECAUSE THEY DO A LOT OF SCRUBBING ON THE PAVEMENT.

>> RIGHT.

>> THE SUPER SINGLES ARE PROVIDING US A LITTLE MORE MANEUVERABILITY AND OVERALL LESS WEAR AND TEAR ON THE PAVEMENT.

>> ON RUBS-OFF?

>> YES, SIR.

>> BACK TO THE YARD WASTE, THE EIGHT CUBIC YARDS.

SINCE THE DRIVER DISTINGUISHED, HE SEES A PILE AND HE SAY, THAT'S EIGHT CUBIC YARDS BUT IT'S PALM FRONDS, LEAVES, BAGS OF LEAVES.

DO THEY DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THAT AND JUST A PILE OF CUT LOGS FROM OAK TREES OR IS IT EIGHT CUBIC YARDS, EIGHT CUBIC YARDS? ARE THERE JUDGMENT CALLS THERE? I KNOW THERE'S A LOT. I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THERE ARE SOME.

>> YES, THERE'S BOTH BECAUSE THE DRIVER HAS TO BE COGNIZANT OF WEIGHT.

THE DRIVER WILL VISUALIZE IN WHAT EIGHT CUBIC YARDS AND THE BASIC BODY OF THE CLAMSHELL TRUCK IS 22 CUBIC YARDS.

HE KNOWS HOW MUCH PER LOAD IT IS BASED ON WHAT WILL GO IN.

A LOT OF TIMES WHAT THEY'LL DO HE'LL LOAD WITH THE LOOSE MATERIAL AND THEN PUT THE HEAVIER MATERIAL ON IT TO COMPACT IT SO HE CAN GET MORE IN THE VEHICLE.

>> OKAY.

>> YES.

>> BACK TO THE DIFFERENT SIZE CANCEL ON A STREET THAT IT'S DEEMED AUTOMATED.

EVERYBODY IN THE STREETS LOCKED INTO AUTOMATED, HAVE TO HAVE A LARGE CAN.

>> CORRECT.

>> OKAY. [NOISE].

>> THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN IF LET'S SAY THAT YOUR HOA WERE TO APPROACH AND IT WAS DECIDED IN THE COMMUNITY A 96-GALLON COULD BE PICKED UP.

BUT THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN IN THE PROPOSED CONTRACT, A 64 IS WHAT EVERYONE WOULD HAVE UNLESS YOUR HOA HAD ASKED FOR LARGER.

>> ANOTHER THING WITH HOA IS, [OVERLAPPING] IF YOU CAN'T FIT THE LARGE CAN IN YOUR GARAGE, YOU CAN'T LEAVE IT OUTSIDE IN THE YARD, HAS THAT BECOME AN ISSUE WHEN YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS? HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING FROM HOA?

>> THAT WAS A CONCERN THAT WE WERE AWARE THAT THAT WOULD ALSO BE A POTENTIAL ISSUE, THAT THERE WOULD ALSO BE AN ADJUSTING PERIOD FOR VARIOUS HOA AS WELL AS IN MOVING TOWARDS THAT.

>> I THINK THAT'S IT FOR NOW. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> APPRECIATE.

>> I MIGHT NOT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, JUST SOME COMMENTS.

I WANT TO COMPLIMENT YOU ON THE CONTRACT.

I THOUGHT IT WAS EXTREMELY WELL DONE, EXTREMELY THOROUGH, EXTREMELY COMPREHENSIVE.

EVERY TIME I HAD A QUESTION AND I TURNED THE PAGE, THE NEXT SECTION ANSWERED THE QUESTION, SO YOU GUYS REALLY, I THINK COVERED A LOT OF THE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AND PROVIDED SOLUTIONS TO A LOT OF THINGS.

I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY, REALLY WELL DONE.

IN TERMS OF THE SIZES OF THE CARTS, I THINK IT WOULD PREFER TO START WITH THE 64 AND LET PEOPLE MOVE UP TO THE 96.

BUT I THINK IN TERMS OF THE SMALLER CARTS, FOLKS HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT EVERYTHING HAS TO GO INTO THAT CAR.

IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SCENARIO, I AM FAMILIAR WITH THESE CARTS.

I'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH THEM IN OTHER SITUATIONS AND THE SMALL ONES, IT MAY SEEM LIKE THAT'S THE BEST SOLUTION, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY PRACTICAL WHEN YOU HAVE TO PUT

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EVERYTHING IN THERE BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A BAG OUT LEFT OUT, IT'S NOT GOING TO GET PICKED UP AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT IT BACK IN THE CAN AND WAIT FOR THE NEXT ONE.

BUT THE 96 IS VERY LARGE.

I WOULD RATHER GO FORWARD AS YOU HAVE IN THE CONTRACT STARTING OUT WITH A 64 AND LET PEOPLE EITHER UPGRADE TO A 96 OR GET A SECOND 64.

JUST OVERALL, I THINK THERE'S A GOOD BALANCE HERE BETWEEN THE COSTS AND PROVIDING GOOD SERVICE.

I DON'T THINK THAT THE MANUAL IS PRACTICAL ANYMORE.

WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE LABOR SHORTAGE IS.

A LOT OF OTHER TOWNS AND AREAS HAVE THE AUTOMATED CARTS, IT WORKS JUST FINE.

I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSED CONTRACT WITH THE CART.

>> JUST A COUPLE OF FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS, JEFF.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN, I'LL USE A CLAMSHELL? IT ALWAYS BEEN MY UNDERSTANDING.

HAVING A HEART KNOWING, FOR THE HARD WORK THAT YOUR GUYS DO, THAT THE PREFERENCE WOULD BE FOR THE CLAMSHELL TO BE USED EVEN FOR THE SMALLER SIZE PILES.

BECAUSE IT'S DONE BY A MACHINE AS OPPOSED TO THEM HAVING TO BEND DOWN AND PICK IT UP.

IT'S BEEN MY LAWN ON EXPERIENCE THAT IT'S A JUDGMENT.

I WANT THEM TO BE ENTITLED TO THAT.

IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR A PILE LESS THAN SIX CUBIC YARDS TO BE PICKED UP, GREAT.

THAT IS THE PRACTICE, CORRECT? I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS.

IT'S NOT THAT IT ONLY GETS PICKED UP IF IT'S BY CLAMSHELL, IF IT'S EIGHT CUBIC YARDS OR MORE, IT'S THE FACT THAT YOU WANT TO MAXIMIZE THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE SAVING THE BACKS OF THE GUYS DOING THE WORK.

CORRECT.

THAT IS RIGHT.

>> WHICH IS THE WAY WE LOOK AT IT IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE SOME POO PILES FOR MULTI-HOMES WHICH RESULTS IN THE MORE THAN EIGHT CUBIC YARD LIMIT THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH HERE SO KEEP THAT IN MIND.

>> WILL DO. ALSO, SAFETY IS SO CRITICAL.

BOUGAINVILLEAS, SPANISH BAYONETS, SOME OF THOSE DATE PALM FRONDS. [NOISE]

>> I UNDERSTAND.

>> YES. WE USE PLAM SHELL MORE THAN WE PROBABLY WOULD LIKE TO FROM AN EFFICIENCY STANDPOINT.

BUT TO YOUR POINT, YES, SIR.

>> I DO THE DATE PALMS IN TRASH CAN FOR THAT REASON.

>> THANK YOU. ROW BELLINIS.

>> ROW BELLINIS, YEAH. QUESTION, A BEACH CLEANUP IS NOT A COMMUNITY EVENT?

>> I THINK UNDER THE AGREEMENT AND I'M GOING TO STOP RIGHT THERE. [OVERLAPPING]

>> TOWN DESIGNATED EVENTS.

IF A TOWN HAD DESIGNATED IT AS A BEACH CLEANUP THEN IT COULD BE RECOGNIZED AS SUCH.

AS I'VE MENTIONED EARLIER THERE'S 10 TOWN EVENTS THAT WASTE MANAGEMENT [OVERLAPPING]

>> I KNOW YOU MENTIONED EARLIER WHICH IS WHY I'VE SAID IN THE COMMENT THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT BECAUSE, HOW MANY BEACH CLEANUPS DO WE HAVE A YEAR?

>> IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THAT ANSWER I DON'T REALLY KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD [OVERLAPPING]

>> IS IT MONTHLY?

>> I WOULD HAVE TO GET A GUIDE.

>> I THINK IT'S MONTHLY.

>> IS IT IN MONTHLY? JUST THE BEACH CLEANUPS ALONE WE'VE CONSUMED MORE THAN THE TOWN YOU'RE SAYING IS ALLOWED IN THE COMMUNITY EVENTS.

>> BUT IS THAT A TOWN-DESIGNATED EVENT? [OVERLAPPING] THAT IS THE QUESTION.

>> YEAH.

>> BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CLARIFIED IN SECTION 8.4 BECAUSE THE WORDS BEACH CLEANUP NEVER BEEN INCLUDED IN THE COMMUNITY EVENT SECTION THAT'S LIMITED TO 10.

IT'S ALWAYS BEEN LIMITED TO 10.

I WANT TO CLARIFY WHAT THE INTENTION IS ON THAT WHETHER IT DOES OR DOESN'T RESULT IN ANY LANGUAGE CHANGE BECAUSE I'M QUITE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

>> RIGHT. BECAUSE FRIENDS OF JUPITER BEACH, WE TRY AND COORDINATE WITH THEM ON THOSE SATURDAYS, FIRST SATURDAY OF EVERY MONTH TO TRY AND GET OUR CREWS IN BEHIND THEM SO WE HAVE LESS LEFT BEHIND TRASHES.

I HAD A COMMENT PRIOR TO THAT AS WELL.

BUT THE NEW CONTRACT STIPULATES THAT UNLESS THE TOWN DESIGNATES IT AS A SANCTIONED TOWN EVENT, THEN IT DOESN'T GET CREDITED FOR THAT.

WE WOULD DO IT ON OUR OWN BUT IT WOULDN'T BE TOWN-SANCTIONED NOR WOULD IT TAKE AWAY FROM THE 10. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

>> COMMUNITY EVENTS ARE LISTED UNDER SECTION 1.22 OF THE CONTRACT AS A DEFINITION.

>> THAT'S UNDER DEFINITION OF [OVERLAPPING] SECTIONED.

>> 1.22.

>> MR. MAYOR, THE POINT IS THE TOWN HAS TO DESIGNATE THE 10 EVENTS.

THOMAS OR WHOEVER WILL DESIGNATE THE EVENTS, IF WASTE MANAGEMENT WANTS TO DO A BEACH CLEANUP AND THEY WANT TO PROVIDE THAT AS CHARITY WORK, THEY CAN DO THAT.

FOR THE PURPOSES OF ISSUING AN RFP AND GETTING PRICES, WE HAD TO HAVE SOME LIMIT ON WHAT WAS GOING TO BE PROVIDED

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SO THAT THE VENDORS COULD PRICE IT AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S A 960 [OVERLAPPING]

>> WE'VE ALWAYS HAD 10 COMMUNITY EVENT LIMIT I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THAT.

IT'S WHEN THE DEFINITION IN THE SECTION EXPANDED TO INCLUDE STUFF THAT WE'VE ALWAYS HAD THAT'S OUTSIDE A COMMUNITY EVENT THAT I'M RAISING THE CONCERN.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT GETS ADDRESSED.

>> IT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED ALREADY IN THE CONTRACT.

IT HAS TO BE DESIGNATED BY THE TOWN.

>> THANK YOU. [INAUDIBLE]

>> A COUPLE [INAUDIBLE].

SINCE I'VE BEEN IN THIS POSITION, I WON'T SAY THE MOST, SOME OF THE MOST PREVALENT COMPLAINTS I GET, I GET AN EMAIL WITH A PHOTO OF, "HEY, THESE CONTAINERS AT THE BEACH ARE OVERFLOWING'' AND THEY'RE OVERFLOWING.

WHAT DAYS DO WE COLLECT AT THE BEACH RIGHT NOW?

>> MONDAY, WEDNESDAY, AND SATURDAY.

>> WE'RE GOING TO STAY ON THAT SCHEDULE?

>> THAT'S OUR PLAN.

>> IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN HAVE A VISUAL ON THE BEACH TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE'S ANY OVERFLOW IT JUST GETS TAKEN CARE OF IN THIS CONTRACT? MAYBE GOODWILL ON YOUR END.

I KNOW I'VE REACHED OUT TO YOU A COUPLE OF TIMES [INAUDIBLE]

>> YES, YOU HAVE.

>> I HAVE SOME MOLES NOW AT THE BEACH AND THEY GET ON ME, "HEY, THIS IS OVERFLOWING. IT'S OVERFLOWING." YOU'VE BEEN REALLY GOOD ON THAT.

NOW I HATE TO BUG YOU ALL THE TIME LIKE SOMETHING IS OVERFLOWING BUT HE'S BEEN GREAT AT GETTING THINGS CLEANED UP AT THE BEACH.

>> WE CAN ADJUST THAT. WE'LL WORK WITH STAFF AND OUR TEAM.

WE HAVE REGULAR COORDINATION MEETINGS BUT WE CAN FOCUS ON THE BEACH SINCE WE'VE HEARD PRIOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

I THINK THOMAS REFERENCED A COUPLE OF THE CROSSOVERS THAT HAVE HIGHER VOLUME, MORE ACTIVITY THERE.

WE MAY NEED TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL RECEPTACLE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

WE'LL DEFINITELY DO THAT.

>> IT'S JUST SUPER IMPORTANT IT'S SO VISUAL. IT'S THE BEACH.

IT'S JUPITER BEACH THIS TOWN IS ALL ABOUT.

IF A RESIDENT, A NEW TOURIST GOES DOWN AND THEY SEE OVERFLOWING TRASH CANS IT JUST LOOKS AWFUL.

>> IT LOOKS BAD FOR [OVERLAPPING]

>> THE GENTLEMAN SAID THERE'S RODENT ISSUES AND ALL OF THAT DOWN THERE.

>> WE'LL WORK WITH YOUR STAFF FOR SURE.

>> BUT I KNOW THAT'S NOT YOUR FAULT. ONE MORE QUESTION I GOT FROM SOMEONE WAS; SO NOW YOU PUT YOUR TRASH CAN OUT AND YOU MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS, SOME TWO-BY-FOURS OR SOMETHING, RIGHT NOW THE GUYS THEY THROW EVERYTHING IN THE TRUCK.

NOW EVERYTHING HAS TO GO IN A LARGE CONTAINER THERE'S NO ANCILLARY THING SITTING ON THE PAVEMENT SO EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT.

>> RIGHT. THAT'S ONE MORE REASON WHY BECAUSE I THINK WITHIN THIS NEW CONTRACT AND I'M GOING TO DEFER TO STAFF ON THE PARTICULARS BUT THERE'S A PROVISION FOR CONSTRUCTION AND DEMOLITION AND I THINK IT'S A [OVERLAPPING] TWO CUBIC YARD LIMIT.

TWO CUBIC YARDS [NOISE] FIT IN A 64-GALLON.

BUT IT WOULD FIT IN THE 96.

I'LL LEAVE YOU AT THAT. [LAUGHTER]

>> THANK YOU.

>> JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT ONE THE ONE BEFORE THE A1A BEACH PICKUP.

BECAUSE LET'S FACE IT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YOUR CONTRACT HERE.

IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WAS MISSED WE WANT TO GET IT RESOLVED AND WE TALK ABOUT THIS STUFF FOR YEARS.

THE A IS IN EXHIBIT 8, IF YOU HADN'T SEEN IT AND I WONDERED ABOUT THAT.

WE SPELL OUT VERY SPECIFICALLY IT'S ON PAGE 304 IN EXHIBIT 8.

THE NUMBER OF TRASH CANS AND THE NUMBER OF 96-GALLON CARTS IN A THREE TIMES A WEEK.

IF WE'RE TO CONCLUDE NOW THAT THAT NUMBER NEEDS TO CHANGE, WE NEED TO CHANGE IT TO GET IT RIGHT.

I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT.

THIS DOESN'T TALK ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE TRASH CANS SO I PRESUME THAT'S STILL AN OPEN ITEM THAT ONE SOLUTION WOULD BE A BIGGER TRASH CAN, I GUESS.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT SIZES ARE THERE AND I'M NOT FINDING FAULT.

I'M JUST SAYING THESE CHRONIC THINGS THAT WE'VE DEALT WITH YEARS, WE'VE GOT TO GET RIGHT IN HERE.

>> IT'S NOBODY'S FAULT BUT JUST AS WE'RE HERE LET'S [OVERLAPPING]

>> LET'S FIX IT. THIS IS ENTERING INTO A NEW AGREEMENT IT BENEFITS EVERYBODY HERE.

CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER THE RESOLUTION IS IF IT TURNS OUT THIS EXHIBIT 8 NEEDS TO CHANGE AS WE CONCLUDE? I'D RATHER GET IT CHANGED

>> RIGHT.

>> MR. MAYOR, TO VICE MAYOR.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I REPRESENTED MY RESPONSE IN THE CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS.

THAT DEBRIS WOULD NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO GO IN THE CART BECAUSE THAT COULD BE PICKED UP WITH THE REAR LOADER ON A BULK PICKUP OR A CLAM SHELL, ACTUALLY A CLAM SHELL.

>> WOULD YOU HAVE TO CALL IT IN?

>> NO. OUR DRIVERS [OVERLAPPING] THEY SEE IT, THEY'LL CALL IT IN THEY'LL TAKE IT.

THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO CALL IN.

>> GREAT. THANK YOU.

>> JEFF, ONE OF THE POINTS I THOUGHT WAS INTRIGUING HERE IS

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THAT NORMALLY WHETHER THIS IS IN THE CONTRACT OR NOT, IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PERCEPTION THAT A TRASH CAN, GARBAGE CAN, CAN ONLY HANDLE A CERTAIN WEIGHT BECAUSE THE GUYS ARE MANUALLY PICKING IT UP.

I'M THRILLED WITH THE CARTS.

THE FACT THAT THEY'RE DESIGNATED AS 224 POUNDS OR 330 POUNDS.

PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY PUT STUFF IN THERE THAT THEY MAY NOT HAVE DONE EVER BEFORE, RIGHT?

>> RIGHT.

>> THAT IS SOMETHING TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT HERE.

I JUST WANTED TO EMPHASIZE THAT WHERE I MAYBE NEVER WOULD HAVE THOUGHT TO PUT SOME OF THESE PIECES IN THE CART, WE NOW CAN.

I JUST WANT TO GET THAT ON THE RECORD.

>> WEIGHT IS NOT AN ISSUE.

>> WAS IT A 50-POUND MAX BEFORE?

>> YES, 50 POUNDS.

>> YEAH.

>> WHICH NOBODY FOLLOWED WHEN YOU HAVE A 64-GALLON.

>> NO. [LAUGHTER] EXACTLY. RIGHT. THAT'S WHY WE PUT TAPERS ON THE REAR LOADERS.

>> YEAH.

>> GOING BACK TO COMMENTS, ANY OTHER FINAL COMMENTS?

>> MAYOR MAKE A MOTION [BACKGROUND] THAT WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENT.

>> SOME CITIZEN COMMENTS. SECTION COLLEGE?

>> CRAG MALLORY. [NOISE] [LAUGHTER]

>> THANK YOU CRAG MALLORY 231 BLANCA'S LANE IN JUPITER.

JUST THE FIRST COMMENT.

MY PHONE, THE UNIT CONVERTER SAYS 96 GALLONS IS 0.475 HALF A CUBIC YARD.

TWO CUBIC YARDS WON'T FIT IN ONE OF THOSE.

[NOISE] [LAUGHTER] SECOND THING, I THINK THE CONTRACT HAS WHAT I WOULD CALL TWO VERY MINOR DEFECTS, EASILY CURABLE.

ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST, ON SECTION 12.2.2 DOES NOT ADDRESS RUBBISH.

RUBBISH IS DEFINED IN THE DEFINITIONS UP WITH THE FRONT [NOISE] BUT FOR SOME REASON IS NOT THERE.

SAME WITH SECTION 37.1, IT DOES NOT ADDRESS RUBBISH, SHOULD.

THERE'S ONE THAT I CAN'T TELL IF IT'S A DEFECT OR NOT.

ALSO IN SECTION 12.2.2, IT SAYS IF I READ IT RIGHT IF THE RECYCLES PICK UP IS SCHEDULED ON A HOLIDAY, OF COURSE NOT PICK IT UP ON A HOLIDAY.

RECYCLED WILL BE PICKED UP THE NEXT DAY.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS THE INTENT, [LAUGHTER] BUT THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS.

SECTION 36.4 ADDRESSES NOTICES.

PRIMARILY IF THESE ARE HOLIDAYS WE'RE GOING TO BE [NOISE] WHEN WE WILL PICK IT UP IF WE'RE NOT PICKING IT UP ON THE HOLIDAY.

IT SAYS THAT THOSE NOTICES WILL BE ON THE WASTE MANAGEMENT WEBSITE.

I BELIEVE THOSE SHOULD BE ON THE TOWN OF JUPITER WEBSITE. THANK YOU.

>> WAYNE POSNER.

>> IT WAS GOING TO BE DRAMATIC WAYNE POSNER 315 KARINA DRIVE.

I WAS GOING TO TRY TO BRING ONE OF THOSE TRASH CANS DOWN HERE, [LAUGHTER] BUT I'M AFRAID I TRIP.

ANYWAY, I FEEL TRASH IS TRUTH.

THAT'S ONE THING WE'RE GOING TO FIND OUT TONIGHT.

TRASH IS TRUTH.

IT'S ONE OF THE MOST COMPLICATED ISSUES AS YOU CAN SEE.

FIRST, I WANT TO THANK MR. KITZEROW, WE'VE MADE A GREAT DECISION.

WE'RE ALL LOCAL PEOPLE HERE.

WE ALL LIVE TOGETHER.

YOU MADE A GREAT DECISION.

MR. TOMAS FERNANDEZ.

WHAT A GREAT IMPROVEMENT FROM WHAT WE HAD.

I'M SORRY TO SAY THAT ABOUT THE LAST PERSON, BUT LOOK HOW FAST THEY PUT THIS TOGETHER.

I LOVE THESE TWO PEOPLE.

THEY DID A GREAT JOB FOR THE TOWN.

LOOK HOW COMPLICATED THIS IS.

DON'T FEEL BAD I'M PATTING YOU GUYS ON THE BACK, BUT YOU DESERVE IT.

CHERYL, YOU HAD A GREAT COMMENTS AND I REALLY LIKED WHAT YOU SAID.

MAYOR, OF COURSE, IN DEPTH INTO THE WEEDS, LIKE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO.

THIS IS WHAT WE DO. THIS IS WHAT YOU GET PAID FOR.

I KNOW YOU DON'T GET PAID MUCH, BUT THIS IS WHAT YOU GET PAID FOR.

I HEARD YOUR COMMENTS AND YOURS, ALL GOOD COMMENTS AND THE SMALL PACKAGE, BUT MAYBE WE CAN GET TO THE POSITIVE SIDE OF THIS IN A LONG QUICK STORY.

I MET WAYNE HUIZENGA MANY, MANY YEARS AGO.

HE WAS THE OWNER OF WASTE-MANAGEMENT, HAPPENED TO BE A GREAT GUY AND THAT'S THE WHOLE STORY IN ITSELF.

THE BIGGER UNIT IS WHAT WE REALLY SHOULD BE GOING FOR [NOISE] AS THE PRIMARY.

EVERYONE CAN GET SMALLER CANS TWO CANS.

WE MAY EVEN BE ABLE TO, WE MEANING WASTE MANAGEMENT HOPEFULLY IS LISTENING.

THEY CAN PICK UP IF THEY HAVE A MEDICAL ISSUE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THEY CAN'T GET AN ORIENTED CURB, USE THE CANE AND PUT IT IN THE CAN MAYBE THEY CAN FIGURE SOMETHING WAY TO GO GET THE CAN SO SOMEBODY DOESN'T HAVE TO ROLL THE CAN.

YOU CAN MAYBE ASK THEM TO DO THAT WORK BEFORE THE NEXT READING.

MAYBE THEY CAN COME UP WITH A SOLUTION.

THE ONE-YEAR SITUATION OR THE 18 MONTHS TO AGREE TO NEW CONTRACT.

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I THINK IT SHOULD BE ONE YEAR. WE'VE PROVED THAT WE CAN GET IT DONE IN SIX MONTHS WITH A PROPOSAL.

WHY PUT IT 18 MONTHS? WE CAN HAVE A NEW PRESIDENT, WE CAN HAVE A NEW ECONOMIC CONDITION.

GIVE ME A YEAR 18 MONTHS A LITTLE LONG TO PREDICT WHAT THE FUTURE BRINGS.

CPI, CPI IS THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX.

MY QUESTION WITH THAT IS THAT SEVEN PERCENT MAX PER YEAR OR SEVEN PERCENT OVER THE ENTIRE CONTRACT? CPI CAN MOVE A LOT CONSUMER PRICE INDEX.

I JUST WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THAT ANSWER IS.

AGAIN, LET'S GET ON THE POSITIVE SIDE.

WITH YARD WASTE, WE HAVE GATED COMMUNITIES.

I LIVE IN A GATED COMMUNITY.

I CAN VERY EASILY SAY PICK IT UP ONCE A WEEK OR NOT AT ALL.

WE PAY A CONTRACTOR TO LOWER OUR LAWNS AND CLEAN UP THE DEBRIS.

WHY ARE WE PAYING TWICE? WHY ARE WE HAVING THEM PICK UP OUR DEBRIS TWO TIMES TO RUN AROUND THE ROAD WITH THOSE HEAVY TRUCKS AND WEAR OUT OUR PAVEMENT WHICH WE HAVE RESERVED FOR AND HAVE TO FIX LATER. LET'S NOT DO THAT.

MAYBE WE CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.

GET MORE PICKUPS IN THE AREAS WHERE WE NEED TO, BUT MAYBE LESS PICK UPS IN OTHER AREAS WHERE WE HAVE CONTRACTED HOA PEOPLE.

SORRY, WE'D LIKE TO FINISH MORE, BUT MAYBE NEXT TIME. THANK YOU.

>> BETH DELLINGER.

>> COUNSEL, BELL DELLINGER 104 WEST BEVERLY ROAD.

I LIVE IN JUPITER IN THE PINTS.

WE HAVE 210 HOMES.

I DON'T EVEN HAVE A 32 GALLON TRASH CAN.

A LOT OF US ARE SENIORS.

THIS LARGE TRASH CAN, NOT EVEN THE LARGER ONE.

CAN YOU MAKE AN EXCEPTION FOR DIVISIONS? I KNOW MR. SIMON SAID IT'S BECAUSE OF THE EMPLOYEES.

BUT IF WE CAN HAVE STILL MANUAL COLLECTION IN SOME OF OUR DIVISIONS, THAT'S ALL I WANT TO ASK. THANK YOU.

>> WE DID HAVE ONE PERSON WHO DID NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT THEIR COMMENTS WERE COULD THE TOWN, ASK OR REQUIRE WASTE MANAGEMENT TO RUN BACKGROUNDS SECURITY CHECKS ON THEIR CONTRACTED EMPLOYEES.

THE WASTE-MANAGEMENT WORKERS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO OBSERVE PROPERTIES WHICH COULD BECOME BREAK-IN AND THEIR TARGETS. THAT WAS IT.

>> ANY FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BASED ON WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC?

>> I HAVE ONE FOLLOW-UP QUESTION.

IT SEEMS THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS [NOISE] OR HOAS OR GROUPS THAT WANT DIFFERENT SIZES POTENTIALLY.

WHEN THIS THE EQUIPMENT BE ORDERED FOR THIS NEW CONTRACT? WHAT'S THE DEADLINE FOR THAT?

>> SIX MONTHS PRIOR TO THE COMMENCEMENT DATE.

SIX MONTHS PRIOR TO THE MARCH 1ST DEADLINE, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION INTO WASTE MANAGEMENT AND THAT WOULD GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO PERFORM ALL THE NECESSARY ORDERS.

IF PEOPLE WANT TO REQUEST A DIFFERENT SIZE, OR IF HOAS WANT TO REQUEST ON BEHALF OF THEIR COMMUNITY.

HOW CAN WE GET THAT FEEDBACK INTO THIS ORDER? IS THERE A WAY TO WORK THAT OUT?

>> IS THE TOWN AND STAFF AS WELL AS WORKING WITH WASTE-MANAGEMENT.

WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO WORK ON GETTING THAT INFORMATION OUT TO THE VARIOUS COMMUNITIES, IN ORDER TO GET FEEDBACK ON HOW THESE VARIOUS COMMUNITIES ARE GOING TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION AND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE THE REQUESTS FROM THE HOA OR SUBDIVISION FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, GENERAL, I WOULD WANT SOMETHING FROM A BOARD IF IT WERE GOING TO BE AN HOA MAKING THAT REQUEST.

IF THERE'S OTHER REGULAR RESIDENTS THAT WANT A LARGER SIZE AFTER THE FACT THAT DON'T NECESSARILY FALL INTO THAT.

THEY DO HAVE THE ABILITY, I BELIEVE IT'S 30 DAYS AFTER THE CONTRACT COMMENCEMENT DATE TO REQUEST A DIFFERENT SIZE.

>> WE COULD GET SOME OF THE CUSTOMIZATION.

IF ONE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS 96, BUT ANOTHER WANTS 64, WE COULD GET THAT FEEDBACK IN BEFORE THE ORDER IS PLACED.

>> CORRECT.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> ONE MORE FOR JEFF. QUICK QUESTION.

>> IF I COULD JUST CLARIFY.

WITH REGARD TO THE CARTS, WE HAVE TO TELL WASTE MANAGEMENT AT LEAST 120 DAYS BEFORE THE COMMENCEMENT DATE.

THAT WOULD BE 120 DAYS BEFORE MARCH 1ST, 1ST IN NOVEMBER. EXCUSE ME, SORRY.

>> WHICH IS PLENTY OF TIME TO GET THE WORD OUT.

>> OKAY.

>> I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.

>> SURE.

>> WHERE THE CARTS MANUFACTURER?

>> ACTUALLY, WM IS PARTNERED WITH A [NOISE] NUMBER OF FIRMS AND I'M NOT POSITIVE WHICH FIRM,

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WHETHER IT BE RARE, PACIFIC IS ONE IN CASCADE ENGINEERING ARE THE TWO PREFERRED VENDORS FOR WASTE MANAGEMENT.

THE REASON BEHIND THAT IS THEY USE A PERCENTAGE OF THE MATERIALS AS RECYCLED.

ALSO CONTAINED WITHIN THIS NEW AGREEMENT OUR SPECIFIC CART SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE COLOR DESIGN AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

THAT WE PREFER SO BETWEEN RARE AGAIN, CASCADE PUBLICLY, I CAN'T COMMIT AND THERE MAY BE SOME UP, BUT [OVERLAPPING].

>> ARE THEY DOMESTICALLY MANUFACTURED OR IMPORTED? BECAUSE THAT WOULD TIMELINES AND DISTRIBUTION THAT JUST POPPED IN MY HEAD WHEN YOU MENTIONED THAT.

>> BOTH ARE DOMESTIC.

>> WHAT DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT TIME YOUR NEW FLEET IS GOING TO BE FULLY UP AND RUNNING AND ONLINE, THE NEW AUTOMATION TRUCKS A YEAR TO [NOISE] ALONG DOWN THE ROAD, YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE.

>> WE'VE COMMITTED TO ROLLING OUT THE AUTOMATED PROGRAM ON THE EFFECTIVE DATE, MARCH FIRST, 2023.

WE'LL HAVE OUR AUTOMATED FLEE CARTS.

>> YOU DON'T HAVE IT READY TO GO, OKAY.

>> THAT WAS OUR CONTRACTUAL COMMITMENT.

>> EVERYTHING IS DISTRIBUTION CHAIN THESE DAYS IN MY HEAD, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT.

>> CORRECT.

>> I DIDN'T SPECIFY THE AGE MAKE MODEL.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AUTOMATED TRUCKS. SURE.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> YES. JEFF, I GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU BEFORE YOU GO, SIR.

OBVIOUSLY, MY COMMENTS AND I SPOKEN ABOUT THIS BEFORE, THE RESIDENTS LIKE THE ONE THAT JUST SPOKE, WHO DOES NOT FEEL THE NEED TO USE A CART.

CAN THEY APPLY FOR SOME PROGRAM WHERE IT WOULD BE FLAGGED FOR HER ADDRESS, MAYBE HER NEIGHBOR'S ADDRESS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO HAVE A SPECIFIC TYPE OF PICKUP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT?

>> YES AND I WANT TO RE-EMPHASIZE THE FACT THAT WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE SEMI-AUTOMATED AND THE SPECIAL AREAS AND NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE CAN'T FULLY AUTOMATE BECAUSE ABA COLA, BECAUSE OF THE ALLEYWAYS, AREAS LIKE THAT, SO WE'LL BE RUNNING BASICALLY REAR LOADERS FOR THOSE COLLECTION ROUTES.

YES. WE CAN LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE AS YOU INDICATED EARLIER THIS YEAR, WE KNOW SOME OF THOSE AREAS THAT HAVE THE SMALLER SQUARE FOOTPRINT, SOME HAVE CARPORT, SOME DON'T.

>> YEAH.

>> WHERE SPACE IS DEFINITELY A LIMITATION.

WE CAN WORK WITH THAT.

WE'LL OBVIOUSLY WORK WITH YOUR STAFF AND IDENTIFYING THOSE AREAS, TRYING TO DETERMINE THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WOULD ENTAIL.

I THINK THAT'S REALLY FROM A ROUTING STANDPOINT.

BECAUSE IF IT'S LIKE WE CAN RUN THE SAME VEHICLE TO DO AVOCADO IN SOME OF THESE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT QUALIFY FOR THIS STRAIGHT MAINTAIN CURRENT LEVEL, THEN YOU KNOW.

BUT WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO GO BACK AND REINVENT OUR LOGISTICS PROGRAM [LAUGHTER] ON DEPLOYMENT AND TRUCKS AND PEOPLE AND THINGS LIKE THAT BECAUSE WE WERE VERY CLOSE TO THE NUMBERS THAT WERE REQUIRED BY THIS RFP.

>> YEAH. MY THING IS, I FEEL BAD FORCING SOMEBODY TO USE A CART IF THEY REALLY DON'T WANT TO USE IT AND BASICALLY LOOKING AT THEM AND SAYING, "IF YOU DON'T WANT TO USE THE CART YOU'RE TRASH." IT ISN'T GETTING PICKED UP.

SO I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE IF THERE'S SOME SORT OF WAY WE CAN WORK WITH THOSE RESIDENTS.

BECAUSE THERE ARE RESIDENTS THAT THEY LITERALLY PRODUCE LIKE MAYBE A PUBLICS BAG FULL OF TRASH A WEEK.

>> YEAH.

>> TYPICALLY ELDERLY, MORE FRAIL PEOPLE AND I'M NOT GOING TO BE FORCING THEM TO DRAG A 6496 GALLON CART DOWN THEIR DRIVEWAY.

SO THAT'S ONE OF MY BIGGEST CONCERNS.

>> CURRENTLY, WE KNOW WHO THOSE RESIDENTS ARE.

IN OUR DRIVERS AND CRUISE ACTUALLY ARE PULLING DOWN, EVEN THERE'RE CANS NOW.

>> OKAY. SUSTAIN FOR THE AUTOMATED PARTS.

>> SO WE ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANY OF THAT, BUT WE'LL ADDRESS THE AUTOMATION PART OF IT.

>> OKAY.

>> INDEPENDENT WE'LL HAVE TO IDENTIFY AGAIN, AS I SAID.

>> TO RE-EMPHASIZE ANY RESIDENTS WHO ARE MEDICALLY UNABLE TO PERFORM THAT SORT OF DRAG, THEY WOULD STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE WASTE MANAGEMENT EITHER COME PULL THEIRS DOWN THE DRIVEWAY OR I DON'T WANT TO SPECULATE, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, I HAVE A 96 GALLON CART IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND MANY INSTANCES I DON'T RECYCLE A LOT, WE DON'T PRODUCE MORE THAN A BAG OR TWO OF TRASH.

>> YEAH.

>> WE'LL OFTEN SEE THE PERSON THAT DOES IT.

INSTEAD OF THAT, THEY DO A SEMI-AUTOMATED SERVICE.

THEY DON'T HAPPEN TO PICK IT UP AUTOMATED.

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THEY HAPPEN TO REACH AND GRAB THE BAG OUT AND THROW IT IN THE BACK OF THE TRUCK AND THEY MOVE ON.

BUT THERE IS THE ABILITY FOR PERSONNEL WHO ARE MEDICALLY UNABLE TO MOVE IT TO THE END TO PLACE IT INTO IT, INTO THE ACTUAL CART ITSELF AND THEN HAVE THE PERSONNEL COME GET IT, TAKE IT TO THE END, DUMP IT, AND THEN BRING IT BACK IF THAT'S NECESSARY.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> I GUESS ON THAT TOPIC, WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS MAYBE WE CAN KIND OF LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OF SPECIAL COLLECTION SERVICES TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE SOME OF THESE OTHER SITUATIONS OR GO BEYOND, YOU'RE SAYING SOMEONE'S MEDICALLY UNABLE, SOMEBODY WITH A SMALL AMOUNT OF TRASH.

I DON'T KNOW, BUT JUST FROM THE COMMENTS HERE, I THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS MAYBE AN EXPANDED DEFINITION, ESPECIALLY COLLECTION SERVICES, SO THAT THERE'S MORE FLEXIBILITY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE OTHER SITUATIONS.

>> JUST FOLLOWING UP ON TWO RESIDENTS POINTS THEY MADE.

NUMBER 1, PICKING UP ON WHATEVER BO SAYS ALREADY WEIGHED IN ON JUST AN OBSERVATION TO OUR RESIDENT HERE ABOUT GOING OUT WITH JUST A BAG.

ALTHOUGH, I THINK THE CONTRACT ACTUALLY PROHIBITS PUTTING YOUR TRASH IN SOMEBODY ELSE'S GARBAGE CAN, WHICH IS KIND OF ABSURD.

THAT IS THE SOLUTION TO SOME DEGREE BECAUSE WE HAVE RESIDENTS I KNOW THAT JUST PUT OUT A BAG.

WELL, NOW WE'LL JUST SAY, "HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M NOT GOING TO PICK IT UP." BUT PICK ONE OF US TO PUT A CAN OUT OR THROW ONE BAG IN IT.

THAT WOULD BE A WIN-WIN.

IF THAT COULD BE DONE.

SO THAT IS A PRACTICAL SOLUTION.

IT MAY NOT WORK IN ALL AREAS.

THERE MAY BE UNABLY SITUATIONS.

BUT THAT IS THE PRACTICAL SITUATION.

AGAIN, WE'RE INTERESTED IN.

SO I JUST WANT TO BALANCE THAT IF THAT CAN BE DONE, CERTAINLY, WE'D ENCOURAGE OUR RESIDENTS TO DO THAT, BUT THEN TO PROVISION AS ALSO HAVE TO PROVIDE FOR WHICH, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU PROBABLY KNOW WHERE THOSE RESIDENTS ARE, BUT YOU WON'T KNOW THAT THOSE RESIDENTS WERE THE ONE BADGERS, RIGHT?

>> YEAH.

>> BUT YOU WEREN'T GOING UP FOR THOSE.

IT MAY BE THE CASE THAT CAN'T WALK IT FURTHER.

SO WE HAVE ALL THE SCENARIOS.

THE OTHER THING THOUGH IS MR. POSNER'S QUESTION, AND I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE IN THIS CONTRACT TO LEARN THIS, BUT EXHIBIT 13 LISTS A WHOLE SLEW OF NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE YARD WASTE, LAWN MAINTENANCE CONTRACTS, AND THEY ARE EXEMPT FROM PAYING THE FEE.

SO THEREIN, YOU'RE NOT PAYING THE FEE, WAYNE.

>> BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE CONTRACT.

>> NO, UNDERSTAND BUT YOU'RE NOT PAYING THE FEES.

ALL I'M SAYING THEREFORE, FOR THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF SERVICE, THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF NEIGHBORHOODS THAN THEY HAVE PICK-UP.

>> TO YOUR POINT I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITIES AND HOAS THAT THEY COULD ACTUALLY APPLY FOR AN EXEMPTION.

THE AGREEMENT ACTUALLY PROVIDES FOR THAT.

FOR THOSE COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE COMMON AREA THEY HAVE LET'S JUST SAY A LANDSCAPE FIRM THAT DOES MOST OF IT.

THEY WOULD BE EXEMPT, I THINK AT PART OF ADMIRALS COULD.

YEAH. WE COULD NAME IT THERE ON THE LIST.

YEAH, THAT'S AN ABILITY FOR FOLKS TO APPLY FOR AN EXTENSION.

>> I'M AMAZED THERE'S THREE PAGES OF THEM.

>> YEAH. RIGHT?

>> INCREDIBLE MIND. NEVER REALIZED THAT.

YES, UNDERSTAND.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

BACK TO COUNCIL.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR MOTIONS?

>> I HAVE ONE COMMENT. I JUST WANTED TO MENTION CONTROL.

NOW, WHEN WE FIRST DECIDED TO GO RFP, YEAH, I KNOW WE ALL MET AND SPOKE.

I JUST WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU ON GETTING THIS RFP OFF THE GROUND AND ALL OF THE STAFF.

WASTE MANAGEMENT AND THIS WAS A HEAVY LIFT.

WE TALK ABOUT IT AND I'M LIKE REALLY? [LAUGHTER] WELL, YOU GET IT DONE EXCELLENT JOB.

EVERYBODY WAS ALL. THERE'S TOO MANY PEOPLE TO NAME, BUT IT WAS JUST PRETTY EXCITING TO GET THIS DONE IN THIS MOMENT IN TIME.

>> THANK YOU VICE MAYOR. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAVE MY COMMENTS FOR THE TOWN MANAGER COMMENTS, BUT I REALLY WANT TO THANK THOMAS AND DAVID D AND [NOISE] I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY HOURS AND HOURS WE'VE SPENT GOING THROUGH THESE VARIOUS SCENARIOS THAT WE HEARD ABOUT TONIGHT, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE DOTTING THE I'S AND CROSSING T'S AND I WOULD BE REMISSIVE IF I DIDN'T MENTION THE TOWN ATTORNEY TOM BARRETT AS WELL, WHO WE'VE JUST GONE THROUGH THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN, TRYING TO COME UP WITH A CONTRACT, AN AGREEMENT AND RFP THAT TAKES CARE OF 60,000 PEOPLE WITH A LEVEL OF CARE THAT ADDRESSES THE CONCERNS THAT WE HEAR IN TONIGHT.

I REALLY FEEL LIKE WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED THAT AND KUDOS TO THESE GUYS AND I COULDN'T, THE AMOUNT OF WORK WAS JUST INCREDIBLE, AND WE'VE DONE IT AND I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S RECORD TIME BUT WE DIDN'T

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LET ANY GRASS GROW UNDER OUR FEET AND I DON'T WANT THAT IMPACTS TRASH PICKUP OR ANYTHING [LAUGHTER].

BUT THEY KEPT MOVING ALONG ON THIS.

SO THIS IS REALLY THE TEAM THAT DID IT.

>> ALL RIGHT.

>> THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THAT.

>> I THINK TO JUST ADD ON THAT.

YEAH. I'M GRATEFUL WITH HOW IT ENDED UP, BECAUSE I'VE HAD MY ISSUES WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT IN GENERAL.

YOU GUYS HAVE ALWAYS REALLY COME THROUGH AND SERVED AND I'M GRATEFUL FOR THAT, ASCENDING UP THE WAY IT IS AND THE FACT THAT WE GOT IT, THE STAFF GOT IT DONE EARLY SOURCES WELL BECAUSE THAT GIVES US A SIX MONTHS JUMPSTART ON GETTING THE WORD OUT SO THAT EACH COMMUNITY IN PERSON PULL THE CONTRACT HAS THE RIGHT TO PICK WHAT CART THEY WANT.

SO I KNOW THAT'S GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT EFFORT TO COMMUNICATE THAT.

BUT THAT IS GOING TO ENABLE MORE SATISFACTION OUT OF THE GATE WHEN PEOPLE REALIZE THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO HAVE INPUT ON THAT.

SO I THANK YOU FOR THAT.

>> I JUST WANT TO ADD, CONGRATULATIONS.

THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE HALL.

I THINK YOU KNOW, AN HOUR-AND-A-HALF LATER OF TALKING ABOUT THIS, WE'RE ALL LEARNING ABOUT HOW COMPLICATED IT IS.

LOOKING AT THE PREVIOUS CONTRACT COMPARED TO THIS ONE, JUST THE LEVEL OF SPECIFICITY TO THE CARDBOARD SIZE, TO THE LISTING OF I THINK IT HAS EVERY LIST WE COULD EVER NEED.

AS A RESIDENT, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THIS ISSUE, I KNOW THERE'S MORE INFORMATION COMING OUT AND IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN READING IT, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY HUNDREDS OF PAGES THIS DOCUMENT IS, BUT IT'S [LAUGHTER] A GOOD READ [LAUGHTER] I HAVE TO SAY [LAUGHTER].

JUST THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS ON BEHALF OF ALL OF US.

>> DID A [LAUGHTER].

>> MOTION.

>> MOTION TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 722.

>> SECOND.

>> MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY COMMENTS? CAN WE READ THE ORDINATE SPACE?

>> ORDINANCE NUMBER 7-22.

AN ORDINANCE OF THE TOWN COUNCIL OF THE TOWN OF JUPITER FLORIDA.

APPROVING THE AWARD OF A FRANCHISE TO WASTE MANAGEMENT, INC. OF FLORIDA, WMIF, IN AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE AND EXCLUSIVE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT WITH WMIF FOR THE COLLECTION OF SOLID WASTE AND RECYCLABLE MATERIALS IN THE TOWN.

>> MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>> AYE.

>> MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU.

CONGRATS. MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7,

[7. Alice Kitching Benton House – Located at 408 Center Street on a 0.2± acre property. A. Resolution 20-22, Local Historic Designation application - Quasi-judicial - For a circa 1931 single-family home and accessory storage building B. Resolution 49-22, Site plan and special exception applications - Quasijudicial - For an adaptive reuse of a locally designated historic structure (circa 1931) for a beauty salon]

THE ALICE KITCHING BENTON HOUSE [BACKGROUND].

>> GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR THE RECORD, MELISSA KOSTELIA ON BEHALF OF COLOR AND HEARING.

I HAVE TWO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING, AND THEY ARE COMPANION APPLICATIONS.

IF IT'S IN THE INTEREST OF TIME AND ACCEPTABLE TO THE TOWN COUNCIL, I HAVE PREPARED A COMBINED PRESENTATION.

THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU IS FILLED WITH FUN PLANNING THE TERMS, STORK DESIGNATION, INFILL, ADAPTIVE REUSE, CROSS ACCESS, REHABILITATION, RESTORATION OF ARCHITECTURE.

WE'VE RECEIVED UNANIMOUS APPROVAL FROM YOUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND YOUR RESOURCES CORD.

HERE WITH ME TONIGHT IS THE FUTURE AND OWNER OPERATOR OF THE FACILITY, KRISTIN KUENZLE AND THE OWNER OF THE HOUSE AND THE PROPERTY, STACEY TELENZAK.

THEY ARE TOWN OF JUPITER RESIDENTS FOR OVER 15 YEARS, AND KRISTIN IS THE OWNER AND OPERATOR OF THE WILD OR GOOD HAIR SALON FOR OVER 20 YEARS.

THEY ARE GOING TO OPERATE OUT OF THIS FACILITY.

I HAVE DON HEARING AND YOU NEED TO CHARM MY COLLEAGUE WITH ME TONIGHT AND I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE FIRM.

THE TWO REQUEST ARE FOR LOCAL HISTORIC DESIGNATION AND A SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR ADAPTIVE REUSE BEAUTY SALON.

THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED SOUTH OF CENTER STREET AND WEST OF LOXAHATCHEE DRIVE.

THIS SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 0.17 ACRES.

IT HAS AN R1 ZONING DISTRICT AND THE FUTURE LAND USE OF HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, IS WITHIN THE HISTORIC PINE GARDENS NORTH SUBDIVISION.

IN ORDER TO APPROVE THE LOCAL HISTORIC DESIGNATION, WE HAVE THREE CRITERIA FOR YOU,

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MAJOR PERSON IMPORTANT TO JUPITER, A SIGNIFICANT GROUPS OF ACTIVITIES THAT HAVE OCCURRED AT THE FACILITY OR AT THE HOUSE AND THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS OF STRUCTURE.

THE MAJOR IMPORTANT PERSON TO THE TOWN OF JUPITER IS THE NAMESAKE OF THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS THE ALICE KITCHING-BENTON HOUSE.

IT WAS KNOWN THAT THE HUSBAND, WILLIAM BENTON ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTED THE HOME.

ALICE KITCHING WAS A PART OF THE PROMINENT FACILITY OR A PROMINENT FAMILY IN THE TOWN OR THIS IN STUART AND THEY ARE THE ENGLISH IMMIGRANTS FROM THE LATE 19TH CENTURY, THEY ARE KNOWN AS THE TREASURE COAST PIONEERS, ARE ONE OF THE TRAGIC GOES PIONEERS.

THE SECOND IS SIGNIFICANT GROUP OR ACTIVITIES.

ALICE KITCHING HOSTED SEVERAL YOUNG PEOPLE SOCIETY OF CHRISTIAN ENDEAVORS, MEETINGS AND CHURCH EVENTS FROM THE PEOPLE'S CONGRESSIONAL CHURCH, ALSO FROM THE JUPITER WOMEN'S CLUB.

THE HOUSE ITSELF IS FLORIDA WOOD FRAME VERNACULAR, AND THE MAJORITY OF THE STRUCTURE IS CONSTRUCTED WITH DADE COUNTY PINE.

THE FLOOR PLAN IS KNOWN AS THE SHOTGUN STYLE HOUSE LAYOUT.

IT HAS A CRAWL SPACE CAN INDICATIVE OF THE TIME PERIOD.

MOVING ON TO THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND SPECIAL EXCEPTION.

HERE'S THE SITE ON AN AERIAL.

THESE ARE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AS THEY ARE TODAY.

THE SITE IS SOUTHWEST CENTER STREET AND WEST OF LOXAHATCHEE DRIVE.

THIS IS THE SITE PLAN ON THE AERIAL DEMONSTRATING THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS.

THE OWNER HAS AGREED TO IMPROVE THE ALLEY WITH TRUE GRID MATERIAL, THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH OTHER LOCAL HISTORIC DESIGNATION PROJECTS.

IN ADDITION THE OWNER HAS REACHED OUT TO THE RESIDENT TO THE SOUTH TO COORDINATE THE TIMING OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ALLEY.

THE BEAUTY SALON IS UNDER THE RETAIL SERVICE REPAIR DESIGNATION.

FIVE PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED AND FIVE PARKING SPACES ARE PROVIDED ON THE SITE.

THE SITE PLAN DEPICTS A SIDEWALK CONNECTION FROM THE CENTER STREET TO THE FRONT PORCH, AND PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES FOR BIKE RACK, TRASH RECEPTACLES AND BENCHES AND ENHANCE LANDSCAPE.

THE FLOOR PLAN DEPICTS THE RESTORED PORCH THAT WAS ENCLOSED IN THE 1970S.

THE REVAMPING THE ADA RESTROOM.

THERE WILL BE SIX WORKSTATIONS, HAIRDRYERS, SINKS, HAIR EXTENSION ROOM, A BREAK ROOM FOR THE EMPLOYEES, AND THE REMAINING FOR UTILITIES.

THE REHABILITATION OF THE FRONT ELEVATION AND THE RESTORATION ON THE FRONT PORCH SHOULD BE LOCATED WITHIN THIS PORCH PORTION OF THE FACADE.

HERE IS THE SKETCH THAT WAS PREPARED AND DEMONSTRATES THE ADA COMPLIANT RAMP, THE FRONT FACADE WITH HARDIPLANK REPLACEMENT OF THE WINDOWS AND THE DOOR, AND DECK RAILING AND THE ROOF EVE MODIFICATION THAT BE CONSISTENT WITH THE TIME PERIOD.

THE OWNER IS IN AGREEMENT WITH ALL CONDITION OF APPROVAL ALLOWING FOR CROSS ACCESS, SHARED PARKING, LIMITATIONS, FOR SIGNAGE, DEDICATING OF RIGHT OF WAY, AND IMPROVING THE ALLY WITH TRU-GRID. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> GOOD EVENING, FOR THE RECORD, PETER BERKOVICH FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR A LOCAL HISTORIC DESIGNATION, OF A CIRCUIT 1931 SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE AND ACCESSORY 306 SQUARE FOOT STORAGE BUILDING, AT 408 CENTER STREET, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AS SHOWN IN RESOLUTION 2022, AND FOR A SITE PLAN AND SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR AN ADAPTIVE REUSE OF THE HISTORIC HOUSE FOR A BEAUTY SALON, CONTINGENT ON THE LOCAL HISTORIC DESIGNATION BY THE TOWN COUNCIL AND SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AS SHOWN IN RESOLUTION 4922.

FIRST, I'D LIKE TO BRIEFLY DISCUSS THE CONSIDERATION OF THE LOCAL HISTORIC DESIGNATION APPLICATION FOR THE ORIGINAL 1168 SQUARE FOOT PORTION OF THE CIRCUIT 1931 SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE AND THE ACCESSORY 306 SQUARE FOOT STORAGE BUILDING, AT 408 CENTER STREET TO BE KNOWN AS THE ALICE KITCHING-BENTON HOUSE.

THE HOUSE AND STORAGE BUILDING IS LOCATED IN PINE GARDENS NEIGHBORHOOD PLOTTED IN 1910.

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STAFF AND THE TOWNS ARCHAEOLOGICAL CONSULTANT REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND FOUND THAT FOUR OF THE NINE HISTORIC DESIGNATION CRITERIA ARE MET, AND THE HOUSE AND ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ARE ELIGIBLE FOR A LOCAL HISTORIC DESIGNATION.

STAFF CONCURS WITH THE APPLICANTS CONCLUSION THAT THE HOUSE AND STORAGE BUILDING IS ASSOCIATED INSIGNIFICANT WAY WITH THE LIFE AND ACTIVITIES OF A MAJOR PERSON.

ALICE KITCHING AND WILLIAM BENTON IMPORTANT IN JUPITER.

THE TOWN'S CONSULTANT NOTE IN THE FLORIDA MASTER SITE FILE FORM THAT THE KITCHING AND BENTON FAMILIES WERE PROMINENT IN THE 1930S IN THE TOWN OF JUPITER.

THE TOWN CONSULTANT ALSO NOTES THAT THE ALICE KITCHING-BENTON'S INVOLVEMENT IN THE JUPITER WOMAN'S CLUB WAS A HISTORICALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE ORGANIZATION PARTICIPATE IN A WIDE VARIETY OF ACTIVITIES, INCLUDING BEING VOCAL SUPPORTERS OF WOMEN'S SUFFRAGE.

THE HOUSE AND STORAGE BUILDING EXEMPLIFIES THE HISTORIC POLITICAL OR CULTURAL ECONOMIC TRENDS OF THE TOWN'S HISTORY.

IT WAS BUILT AFTER THE 1928 HURRICANE AND IT START OF THE GREAT DEPRESSION IS SIMPLE AND PRACTICAL DESIGN OF THE HOUSE DEMONSTRATES THE KITCHING'S FAMILY BUILT WHAT THEY NEEDED, NOT NECESSARILY WHAT THEY WISHED FOR.

THE THIRD SATISFIED CRITERIA IS THE HOUSE AND STORAGE BUILDING AND BODIES DISTINGUISHING CHARACTERISTICS OF THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, PERIOD, OR METHOD OF CONSTRUCTION.

THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THE HOME AND STORAGE BUILDING IS FLORIDA WOOD FRAME VERNACULAR WITH CHARACTERISTICS THAT ARE SIMPLE AND FUNCTIONAL TO RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES FOR THE TIME WHICH IS PRE-WORLD WAR II.

ADDITIONALLY, LOCAL MATERIALS WERE UTILIZED IN ITS CONSTRUCTION.

THE FOURTH SATISFIED CRITERIA IS THAT THE HOUSE AND STORAGE BUILDING CONTAINS ELEMENTS, DETAILS, MATERIAL CRAFTSMANSHIP OF OUTSTANDING QUALITY, WHICH REPRESENTS AND IT'S TIME, A SIGNIFICANT INNOVATION AND ADAPTATION TO THE SOUTH FLORIDA ENVIRONMENT.

STAFF AGREES THAT BOTH THE HOME AND STORAGE BUILDING IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF A PRE-WORLD WAR II FLORIDA WOOD FRAME VERNACULAR STYLE HOUSE AND IT QUALIFIES FOR HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE PURSUANT TO TOWN CODE.

RESTORATION OF THE FRONT PORCH FROM THE ENCLOSED AIR CONDITIONED SPACE IS, WILL FURTHER BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THIS CRITERION.

THE LOCAL HISTORIC DESIGNATION WAS HEARD THE HISTORIC RESOURCES BOARD ON AUGUST 16TH, 2021 FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, AND THEN OCTOBER 18TH, 2021, WHERE THE APPLICATION RECEIVED A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.

THE APPLICANT IS ALSO SUBMITTED AN ADAPTIVE REUSE SITE PLAN AND SPECIAL EXCEPTION APPLICATIONS TO ESTABLISH A BEAUTY SALON.

ADAPTIVE REUSE WAS ESTABLISHED AS AN INCENTIVE FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS TO SAVE AND PRESERVE IN PLACE HISTORIC STRUCTURES BY ALLOWING LIMITED COMMERCIAL USES WHEN A BUILDING IS LOCALLY DESIGNATED HISTORIC.

ADAPTIVE REUSE IS A BALANCE BETWEEN LIMITED COMMERCIAL USES AND RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

STAFF REVIEW OF THE SITE PLAN AND SPECIAL EXCEPTION CONSIDERED THE INTENSITY OF THE REUSE PROPOSE AS WELL AS THE PROXIMITY IMPACTS TO SURROUNDING HOMES.

ADAPTIVE REUSE IS ONLY ALLOWED IN SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES LOCATED ON A MAJOR COLLECTOR ROADS WHICH HAVE RECEIVED A LOCAL HISTORIC DESIGNATION.

STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AND RESOLUTION 4922 TO ENSURE THE PROPOSED BEAUTY SALON PROVIDES NEEDED COMMERCIAL IMPROVEMENTS, BUT STILL MAINTAINS A RESIDENTIAL SCALE AND AESTHETIC IN ORDER TO BLEND IN AND RESPECT THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

AT THEIR MAY 10TH, 2022 MEETING, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY VOTED TO APPROVE THE SUBJECT APPLICATION AND ADDED CONDITIONS RELATED TO WINDOWS SIGNAGE, SHARED PARKING WITH NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES AND PARKING SURFACES.

THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATIONS FURTHER THE GOAL OF PROVIDING COMMERCIAL IMPROVEMENTS WHILE RESPECTING THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND ARE REFLECTED IN RESOLUTION 4922.

WITH THAT, I'LL PUT THE REMAINING TIME SIDE AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THE APPLICATION. THANK YOU.

>> ANY QUESTIONS, STAFF?

>> NO. THE SIMS FLAWED THROUGH THE PROCESS SEAMLESSLY.

HAVE THERE BEEN ANY ISSUES WITH THE NEIGHBORS OR I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING, SO THIS SEEMS ONE OF THOSE ADAPTIVE REUSE SITUATIONS THAT JUST SEEMS TO BE A PERFECT FIT, WAS IT?

>> THERE WERE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE HERE TONIGHT, THEY MIGHT SPEAK, BUT I HADN'T HEARD ANYTHING MAJOR. [OVERLAPPING]

>> WHAT WAS THE OCCASION?

>> HAD A BEAUTY SALON FURTHER

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DOWN CENTER STREET AND WAS CONCERNED WITH THE LICENSING REQUIREMENTS, I BELIEVE.

I FORGET EXACTLY [OVERLAPPING]

>> WAS IT LIKE?

>> IT WASN'T MAJOR.

>> NOISE BOTHERING RESIDENTIAL, PARKING OR NOISE OR NOTHING LIKE THAT?

>> NOTHING LIKE THAT.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> ANY PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> YES, I HAVE TO, TIM LAW AND THEN LAUREN FLAHERTY.

[BACKGROUND]

>> TIM LAW, 707 PINEGROVE AVE.

I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON THE ADAPTIVE REUSE PROCESS.

OUT OF ONE HOUSE AWAY FROM JUPITER'S FIRST ADAPTIVE REUSE PROJECT, THE SIMS HOUSE.

THE ADAPTIVE REUSE PROCESS IS FLAWED.

THE PROCESS ATTEMPTS TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE RESIDENTS SURROUNDING THE AREA, [NOISE] BUT THEY FALL SHORT.

THERE'S NO FEEDBACK LOOP.

ONCE THE RULES ARE ESTABLISHED, THERE'S NO FOLLOW-UP TO ENSURE THE ADAPTIVE REUSE PROPERTY OWNER IS LIVING UP TO THEIR PART OF THE BARGAIN.

IT'S AN INCREDIBLY SENSITIVE TOPIC TO CHANGE OR AS A PROPERTY TO COMMERCIAL AND THE BURDEN TO BLEND INTO THE RESIDENTIAL ENVIRONMENT SHOULD FALL SQUARELY ON THOSE LOOKING TO CHANGE THE RULES.

HAD A FEEDBACK LOOP AND ESTABLISHED THE TOWN WOULD KNOW THE SOCIAL ILLS WE MUST NOW DEAL WITH LIVING NEXT TO THE SIMS HOUSE.

EVEN THOUGH THE UNEASE OF HAVING 30-40 PEOPLE DRINKING AT AN OUTSIDE BAR NEAR YARDS AWAY FROM YOUR HOME AND BACKYARD UNTIL 10:00 PM, SOMETIMES LATER.

YOU'D KNOW THE FEELING OF HAVING A UTILITY EASEMENT TURNED INTO A PARKING LOT WITH A DOZEN OR MORE CARS AND CONSTANT ROTATION, SOME PARKING NEAR FEET FROM YOUR BACK FENCE.

YOU KNOW OF OUR NEW RODENT PROBLEM WITH RATS RUNNING THROUGH OUR BACKYARD.

YOU KNOW THE ANNOYANCE OF HAVING MUSIC PLAYED IN OUTSIDE BAR AND YOU WOULD KNOW THAT THIS PROCESS HAS GIVEN US SIMS ENORMOUS SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT, ANY ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS DIRECTLY WITH THEM HAS LED TO THREATS, INTIMIDATION, AND RESISTANCE BY THEM TO PURSUE ANY ACTION TO BETTER FIT IN THEIR ENVIRONMENT UNLESS DIRECTED TO DO SO THROUGH OUR WORK WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT.

THERE'S NO DOUBT IN MY MIND, THE PROCESS HAS GREATLY REDUCED OUR PROPERTY VALUE, FEW PEOPLE WOULD VIEW IT AS A PERK TO LIVE NEXT TO A RESTAURANT, ESPECIALLY WHEN SO RELIANT ON ITS OUTDOOR BAR AND DINING AREAS FOR ITS REVENUE, THAT YOU CAN'T BE IN YOUR OWN BACKYARD WITHOUT CONSTANT REMINDERS THAT YOU NOW LIVE NEXT TO A RESTAURANT, IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO FORGET.

IT DIDN'T TAKE A GIANT LEAP OF THE IMAGINATION TO SEE HOW THIS WOULD PAY AND HELP.

I PROPOSE ANY APPLICANT MUST EASE INTO THE PROCESS, THEY MUST START WITH MORE RESTRICTIVE RULES TO ENSURE THEY GRAB WHAT THEY'RE ASKING OF THEIR SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS.

ONCE THEY PROVE THEY CAN LIVE AMICABLY WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS AND NOT TRAMPLE ON THEIR WAY OF LIFE AND MOST IMPORTANTLY WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE RESIDENTS THEN ADDITIONAL RELAXATION OF RESIDENTIAL RULES CAN BE APPLIED.

ALL THE CONCERNS OF OURS WERE ADDRESSED TO THE TOWN PRIOR TO APPROVE OF THIS SIMS HOUSE PROJECT.

RESIDENTS AND ATTENDANCE HAD MEETINGS STRESS TO FOLLOW AND CONCERNS WITH THE PROJECT WHICH ARE PUBLIC RECORD, CONCERN OVER ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC, IMPACTS ON PROPERTY VALUE OF HOMES BY ANY CHANGE IN USE.

CONCERN ABOUT NOISE RELATED TO ANY COMMERCIAL USE THEN WILL BE INTRODUCED, SUCH AS OUTDOOR SEATING AND ENTERTAINMENT, HOURS OF OPERATION SHOULD BE LIMITED, CONCERNED WITH THE SERVICE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AND BARS, EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE NEGATIVE IMPACTS HAVE COME TRUE.

I URGE ANY RESIDENT NEAR ANY PROPERTY UP FOR ADAPTIVE REUSE CONSIDERATION TO LEARN FROM OUR EXPERIENCE, ONCE THE REUSE IS GRANTED, YOU VERY WELL CAN BE FIGHTING JUST TO GET YOUR QUALITY OF LIFE BACK. THANK YOU ALL FOR LISTENING.

>> LAUREN. [BACKGROUND]

>> GOOD EVENING. LAUREN FLAHERTY, 707 PINEGROVE AVENUE.

AS ANOTHER PROPERTY IN OUR AREA IS UNDER REVIEW FOR THE ADAPTIVE REUSE DESIGNATION.

MY HUSBAND AND I FELT IT NECESSARY TO COME HERE TO VOICE OUR EXPERIENCE WITH IT.

THE ADAPTIVE REUSE PROCESS HAS BEEN VERY STRESSFUL FOR US AND HAS DRASTICALLY IMPACTED THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN OUR OWN HOME.

A ONCE QUIET, PEACEFUL PROPERTY IS NOW FLOODED WITH CHEDDAR OF PEOPLE, PEOPLE'S CONVERSATIONS, CAR DOORS OPENING AND CLOSING, CAR LOCK BEEPING, MUSIC, ODORS, RODENTS, CONCERNS OVER OUR FUTURE EXPANSION AND MORE.

THERE IS A TIME AND PLACE FOR OUTDOOR RESTAURANTS AND BARS, AT THE END OF A RESIDENTIAL STREET IS NOT ONE OF THEM.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO LIVE NEXT DOOR TO THIS? IMAGINE YOUR NEIGHBOR ONE HOUSE DOWN HAVING PEOPLE AND MUSIC IN THEIR BACKYARD, EATING, DRINKING, AND CELEBRATING, EVERY TUESDAY THROUGH SATURDAY 4-10:00 PM.

THE DESIRE TO PRESERVE HISTORIC BUILDINGS IS COMMENDABLE, WE ARE NO WAY AGAINST IT.

BUT HAVING A PROPERTY DEEMED HISTORIC IN NO WAY SHOULD GIVE IT THE RIGHT TO MAKE SURROUNDING RESIDENTS WAY OF LIFE PRESENT AND FUTURE DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S PARTIALLY FUNDED BY THOSE SAME TAXPAYER'S DOLLARS.

THE PROPOSED RE-PURPOSING OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS NEEDS TO MAKE SENSE IN THE ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH IT LIVES, IN THIS CASE IT IS NOT.

FURTHERMORE, CHANGING A PROPERTY FROM RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL MIXED-USE,

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NOW GRANTS PROPERTY MANY DIFFERENT UNFORESEEN EXEMPTIONS GOING FORWARD IN PERPETUITY, FURTHERING THE DIVIDE BETWEEN THE PROPERTY AND IT'S RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS IN WAYS THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN FORESEEN.

YOU NEED TO PROCEED CAUTIOUSLY WITH THIS PROCESS AS THIS FIRST GO ROUND HAS SHOWN TO US.

ONCE GIVEN THE APPROVAL FOR CHANGING A PROPERTY STATUS, THE RULES AND REGULATIONS AGREE TO PRIOR HAVE BEEN DISREGARDED, AND ASKING THE PROPERTY OWNER TO DO THE RIGHT THING HAS BEEN MET WITH NOTHING BUT HOSTILITY.

[NOISE] IT HAS LED TO COUNTLESS HOURS OF DEALING WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT, FILING POLICE REPORTS FOR HARASSMENT AND HAS FORCED US TO DIG IN THE RULES AND REGULATIONS SET IN PLACE FOR THE SIMS HOUSE JUST TO MAKE SURE THEY THEMSELVES ARE FOLLOWING IT.

WE DID NOT ASK FOR THIS, AND THE MORE WE LOOK THE MORE WE FOUND THE RULES ARE BEING BROKEN, THIS PROCESS CANNOT GO UNCHECKED AND THE BURDEN OF ENSURING THE ADAPTIVE REUSE PROPERTIES ARE ABIDING BY THE RULES SET FORTH FOR THEM BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING PROCESS SHOULD NOT BE PLACED SQUARELY ON THE NEIGHBORS.

WE BELIEVED THE MAJORITY OF TOWN COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE RAN ON THE IDEA OF RESPONSIBLE GROWTH IN JUPITER, WE STILL BELIEVE THAT, BUT WE'RE NOT LIVING THAT.

THE SADDEST PART TO US IS THAT AFTER TAKING THE TIME TO WRITE OUR THOUGHTS AND EXPERIENCES IN A SIX PAGE LETTER, INDIVIDUALLY ADDRESSED TO EACH ONE OF YOU ON MAY 17TH VIA EMAIL AND USPS, WE HAVE YET TO RECEIVE ONE RESPONSE.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE, BECAUSE WE LIVE WITH THIS EVERY DAY AND WE HAVE LIVED WITH THIS EVERYDAY SINCE THEY OPENED AND IT'S ONLY GOTTEN WORSE.

WELL, ACTUALLY NOW IT'S GOTTEN A BIT BETTER BECAUSE WE'RE NOT IN SEASON.

BUT IF YOU HAVE RATS RUNNING DOWN YOUR FENCE EVERY NIGHT, YOU'D SEE THAT THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE.

WE STILL HELD OUT HOPE AND I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING YOUR TIME TO LISTEN TO US.

>> THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? WE NOW BACK TO THE COUNCIL.

>> JUST HAD A QUESTION.

WHAT ARE THE HOURS FOR THE BEAUTY SALON?

>> ITS ALWAYS IN OPERATION AROUND 9:00 AM-8:00 PM.

>> THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NON. COMMENTS?

>> WELL, I WANT TO THANK THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY FOR ACTUALLY GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN EASY PROCESS AND IT COULD VERY EASILY JUST HAVE THE HOUSE TORN DOWN, SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS TO PRESERVE SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO OUR HISTORY.

TO ME, IT LOOKS LIKE THE PROJECT IS WELL DONE.

I APPRECIATE THE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO HELP IMPROVE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT NEEDED TO BE REFINED, BUT OTHERWISE, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT.

>> JUST ADD TO THAT, THE PROCESS HAS BEEN MORE STREAMLINED.

LIKE I SAID EARLIER, IT JUST SEEMED THIS FLOAT RIGHT THROUGH, THIS, AND THE COUNSELOR HOUSE, THE LAST ONE THAT WAS VERY SIMILAR IN ITS AUTHENTICITY AND JUST PROPERLY PRESENTED TO THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES OF THE TOWN, SO THANK YOU.

>> I THINK THE REASON THERE AREN'T TOO MANY QUESTIONS TONIGHT IS BECAUSE OF THE GOOD JOB THAT PLANNING AND ZONING DID IN THEIR MEETING AND SOME OF THE COMMENTS THEY MADE IN OUR CONDITIONS.

I WANTED TO JUST SPEAK TO THAT QUICKLY, THAT THEY DID A REALLY THOROUGH JOB. I'M GRATEFUL.

>> I GUESS MY COMMENTS, I'LL ADDRESS THE TWO RESONANCE THAT SPOKE.

IT SEEMS THIS PROJECT ITSELF IS THEY WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS.

THEY'VE SPOKEN WITH THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE GOING TO BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THIS.

IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S ANY CONCERNS THERE.

YOUR CONCERNS ARE OUTSIDE OF WHAT'S GOING TO BE HAPPENING IN THIS PROPERTY AND WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO ADDRESS THOSE.

STAFF, THANK YOU FOR STREAMLINING THIS PROCESS.

THANK YOU FOR GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS TO SAVE A HISTORIC HOME IN THE TOWN.

WITH THE HOURS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT AND THE TYPE OF BUSINESS, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE THE ISSUE THAT WAS RAISED, BUT WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES FOR WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE GOING ON.

I'M SORRY THAT THERE WAS A LACK OF RESPONSE BY US, BUT I'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE DEFINITELY RESPOND TO YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

I ACTUALLY AGREE THAT THIS IS THE [INAUDIBLE] NEXT DOOR TO A SALON HONESTLY, ESPECIALLY IF THEY CLOSE THE GATE.

IT'S QUIET. MAYBE I'D GO OVER IN A PARADIGM THAT I ACTUALLY, I WALKED PAST THE HOUSE EVERYDAY I WALK THE DOOR PAST IT.

I THINK IT'S NICE TO SOMETIMES TO BE PREPARED AND I THINK THAT THIS IS BETTER WAY TO A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY RATHER THAN. [INAUDIBLE]

[02:30:03]

>> I'M SORRY. WE DON'T KNOW WE HAVE CONVERSATION I APPRECIATE.

THAT'S OKAY. I WANT TO COME AND YOU'RE DONE.

JUST I THINK IT'S ALWAYS IMPORTANT THAT THE PUBLIC DOES COME OUT TO SPEAK, BELIEVES THEY WERE HEARD AND I DO HOPE THAT TO RESIDENTS THAT SPOKE ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCE IN A DIFFERENT ADAPTIVE USE, WE USE IMPACT, REALIZE THAT THERE'S CERTAINLY LESSONS LEARNED IN EVERYTHING IN LIFE AND YOU HEARD IN THAT REGARD, I'M NOT SAYING, I THINK THIS BEING A DIFFERENT YEARS HAS DIFFERENT SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES.

CERTAINLY, I'M SURE WE ALL WOULD TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT HAS TRANSPIRED ON EVERYTHING UP TO THIS POINT IN TIME MORE THAN EVER TO COME THROUGH US AGAIN.

I JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU THAT SO DON'T EVER BELIEVE THE CUTTING FORCE IN GIVEN A COMMENT, MIGHT NOT HAVE AN INFLUENCE THAT AS YOU INTENDED FOR US TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ON FUTURE ADAPTIVE USES, I APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT.

I KNOW WE ALL DO UP HERE AND PLEASE ALSO DON'T MISINTERPRET THE LACK OF A RESPONSE TO THAT WE DIDN'T HEAR IT, CONSIDER IT, WHATEVER THE QUESTION THEN BECOMES, WHAT ACTIONS DO WE HAVE THAT WE COULD TAKE WITHOUT THAT? I KNOW I MYSELF, I'M NOT INCLINED THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE MAY NOT BE PONDERING ABOUT IT.

I'M NOT INCLINED TO RESPOND IF I DON'T HAVE SOMETHING TO OFFER, BUT ALWAYS APPRECIATE ALL OF US.

PUBLIC COMMENT BOTH BY EMAIL WHICH WE READ AND COVERING THE MEETING. THANK YOU.

WITH THAT, I JUST BACK TO THE COUNCIL IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS. I SAW YOUR COMMENT.

>> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A QUICK COMMENT ABOUT THE HOURS OF OPERATION THAT COUNSELOR SCHNEIDER BROUGHT UP OR ACTUALLY ASKED ABOUT.

ANYWAY, IN A STATEMENT OF USE IT SAYS THEY REPRESENTED FROM, I BELIEVE 06:00 AM TO 10:00 PM, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH TOWN CODE FOR ADAPTIVE REUSE.

IF THEY'RE REPRESENTING DIFFERENT HOURS, WHICH ARE LESS THAN YOU MIGHT WANT TO MAKE THAT A CONDITION OR CONSIDER THAT TO BE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL AND WE CAN PUT THAT IN THE RESOLUTION.

[LAUGHTER]

>> REAL QUICK, YOU GUYS ARE THE OWNERS?

>> YES.

>> THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS AS SOMEBODY WHO WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

>> WE NEED A MOTION AS AMENDED?

>> ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT OR DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION?

>> NO. YEAH, I CAN MAKE A MOTION.

THE MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2022, THE LOCAL HISTORIC DESIGNATION.

>> SECOND.

>> ANY COMMENTS? DOES THAT MOTION INCLUDE THE HOURS WE LIMITATION AS WAS SUGGESTED?

>> THAT'S FOR BEST RESOLUTION 4922, SO I WAS JUST DOING THE HISTORIC.

>> GOT YOU.

>> FIRST.

>> I'M THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT FIRST IS ON THE RESOLUTION HISTORIC DESIGNATION.

>> THAT'S 20.

>> 2022.

>> RIGHT.

>> PAUSING THERE, I REALIZE IN MY PROCESS I NEGLECTED TO EMPHASIZE THAT THIS WAS QUASI JUDICIAL, AND SO I'M GOING TO ASK IF ANYBODY HAS ANY EXPATRIATE COMMUNICATIONS TO DISCLOSE?

>> NO.

>> I DID SPEAK WITH TERI GROOMS BRIEFLY TODAY.

I DIDN'T MEAN TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS, BUT WE ENDED UP SPEAKING BRIEFLY ABOUT PARKING AT THE END.

>> I DID NOT HAVE ANY.

>> I DIDN'T HAVE ANY.

>> I DIDN'T HAVE ANY.

>> WITH THAT, WE HAD A MOTION. WILL YOU SECOND?

>> YEAH, I SECOND.

>> MOTION AND A SECOND.

NO COMMENTS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING, AYE.

>> AYE. [OVERLAPPING]

>> MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

MOVING ON TO RESOLUTION 4922, THE SITE PLAN AND SPECIAL EXEMPTION APPLICATIONS.

>> MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 4922 WITH THE AMENDMENT TO HAVE THIS OPERATION ENDED 08:00 PM.

>> I SECOND.

>> MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY COMMENTS, DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

>> AYE. [OVERLAPPING]

>> MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU.

WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES THE REGULAR AGENDA MOVING ON TO REPORTS, TOWN ATTORNEY.

>> NO COMMENT, NO REPORT. TOWN MANAGER.

[TOWN MANAGER]

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS REAL QUICK REMINDER THAT WE HAVE OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP THIS THURSDAY.

[02:35:01]

WE'LL BE BACK HERE PRETTY QUICKLY.

I ALSO WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE STILL CONTINUING TO WORK ON THE BASEBALL ISSUE AND WE SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING COMING BACK TO YOU HOPEFULLY IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE AND SO I JUST DIDN'T WANT ANYTHING THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN WORKING ON THAT WITH ALL THE OTHER THINGS GOING ON.

ALSO WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON THEIR RE-ACCREDITATION THEY RECEIVED THE EXCELSIOR AWARD FROM THE COMMISSION ON LAW ENFORCEMENT ACCREDITATION FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

EXCELSIOR AWARD IS THE HIGHEST AWARD YOU CAN GET IN ACCREDITATION THROUGH THE CFA OR FLORIDA ACCREDITATION.

BY THE WAY, I THINK THEY'RE ALSO ON AN INTERNATIONAL LEVEL ON CLEAR, THEIR GOLD STANDARD WITH EXCELLENCE, HIGH SHEEN GET THERE AS WELL.

IT'S REALLY KUDOS TO OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THEN UPDATE ON THE PASSPORT THAT JUPITER APP I HAD MENTIONED THAT IN A PREVIOUS REPORT, WHAT'S REALLY GREAT WE WENT ON LINE JUNE 1ST, AND AS OF TODAY, WE'VE HAD OVER 500 DOWNLOADS OF THAT APP, WHICH IS REALLY QUITE REMARKABLE. THAT'S MY REPORT MAYOR.

>> [INAUDIBLE] TOWN MANAGER.

>> [INAUDIBLE] BUT I'M DESPERATELY TRYING TO DO WHAT YOU WANT ME TO DO AND TO PREPARE THE CONTRACT THE WAY YOU WANT IT.

I'M ALSO TRYING TO AVOID HAVING ANY UNNECESSARY DELAY.

YOU'VE ASKED FOR A NUMBER OF THINGS TONIGHT I HEARD YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.

WITH REGARD TO THE BEACH CLEANUP AND WITH REGARD TO YOUR REQUEST ABOUT THE YARD TRASH PICKUP IN EXCESS OF EIGHT CUBIC YARDS ON BOTH OF THOSE ISSUES, MR. SABIN GOT TO GO BACK TO HIS COMPANY AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT THAT ISSUE.

TO THE EXTENT WE'RE ASKING HIM TO PROVIDE MORE SERVICE FOR NO INCREASE IN COST, THEY SHOULDN'T BE ANY PROBLEM.

OTHER VENDORS WOULD NOT BE IN A POSITION TO COMPLAIN OR TO CHALLENGE THIS PROCUREMENT PROCESS.

IN TALKING TO MR. SABIN OUTSIDE THOUGH, IT BECAME CLEAR TO ME THAT THERE'S SOME CONFUSION ABOUT WHAT EXACTLY THE COUNCIL WANTS US TO DO WITH REGARD TO CARTS VERSUS CANS.

AS I TRIED TO EXPLAIN BEFORE, AS A GENERAL PROPOSITION, EITHER EVERYBODY USES CARTS OR EVERYBODY USES CANS.

NOW DURING THE DISCUSSION, YOU SUGGEST AT ONE POINT THAT, WELL, IN AREAS WHERE THEY'RE USING REALLY LOADER TRUCKS, SEMI-AUTOMATED COLLECTION MAYBE PEOPLE COULD USE SMALLER CARTS.

IT WASN'T CLEAR TO ME IF YOU ALSO INTENDED FOR THEM TO USE CANS IN THOSE AREAS, BUT THE CONCERN WOULD BE WE CAN'T MIX AND MATCH.

IF I MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU WERE TELLING ME, THEN PLEASE SEND ME STRAIGHT SO THAT I KNOW WHAT MY MARCHING ORDERS WHEN I LEAVE HERE.

>> FIRST OF ALL, WHAT AREAS TO WEIGH IN ON THAT.

I THINK I WAS ASKING.

I THINK OTHERS MAY HAVE FIRST TO FIND OUT WHAT COULD BE DONE.

WITH REGARD TO CARTS, I THINK ALL OF US DECIDED WE'RE GOING TO GO CARTS.

THEN THERE WAS CONVERSATION YES ABOUT, THE SIZE OF THE CARTS AND WHETHER OR NOT, A 32 GALLON CART COULD BE USED.

I'M NOT SURE, I THINK IT ENDED UP THAT CLEARLY NOT AN OPTION WAS FULLY AUTOMATED.

>> WHERE YOU HAD SEMI-AUTOMATED, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

WE WERE JUST ASKING FOR WASTE MANAGEMENT TO COME BACK AND SAY WHAT THEY CAN DO AND IF THERE'S THE FLEXIBILITY TO BE DONE, TO ADD IT IN SO THAT WE HAVE A CLARITY OF UNDERSTANDING.

I KNOW I WAS NOT ASKING FOR CANS TO BE ADDED.

WE'RE ALL FOR THE AUTOMATION OR THE SEMI-AUTOMATION.

BUT AGAIN, YOU'RE NOT GETTING FULL AUTOMATION FOR THE AMBER COORDINATE, WHICH IS AN EXAMPLE.

>> THAT'S CORRECT, YES SIR.

>> YOU'RE ROLLING OVER ANYWAY, DOES THAT CLARIFY WHAT MY INTENT IS?

[02:40:03]

>> YES, SIR. THANK YOU.

THE MOTION WAS PASSED, IT WASN'T CLEAR WHETHER YOU HAD OPTED TO USE CANS OR CARTS, I KNOW THERE WAS DISCUSSION THAT PEOPLE LIKED CARTS.

>> YEAH.

>> WITH REGARD TO THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE, WE GOT OUTSIDE AND WE'RE CONCERNED THAT MAYBE WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING WASN'T VIABLE.

I NEEDED TO KNOW THAT IF YOU WANT ME TO REVISE THIS CONTRACT, HAVE IT BACK HERE FOR YOU ON THE SECOND READING SO THAT YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD IN A TIMELY MANNER.

THANK YOU FOR INDULGING ME.

>> NO THANK YOU FOR ASKING, WE RATHER HAVE YOU ASK.

BUT AGAIN, LOOK, ONCE THE CONTRACT IS DONE, WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE WORKING THROUGH THIS WITH JEFF.

THE POINT IS LET'S GET IT RIGHT TO THE DEGREE WE CAN GET IT RIGHT, THAT WE CAN AGREE UPON IT SO THAT SOMEONE CAN LOOK AT THE CONTRACT AND KNOW WHAT'S REQUIRED, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR.

>> I'LL DO MY BEST, YES, SIR.

>> THANK YOU.

>> AGAIN, I'M OUT OF ORDER AS WELL.

THE QUESTION IS THAT THE DECISION AND THE DECISION IS TO GO AUTOMATED.

NOT CAN, IT'S AUTOMATED AND THAT'S THE CONTRACT THAT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> MR. MAYOR, JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE RESOLUTION WAS PASSED AND THE MANNER IT WAS PUT FORWARD COMING INTO SECOND READING.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE TO ANSWER IN REGARDS TO THE COUNCIL, BUT NOT NECESSARILY INCORPORATE INTO THIS CONTRACT, WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND RENEGOTIATE.

>> CORRECT.

>> AM I CORRECT ON THAT?

>> CORRECT IN MY MIND AND LET EVERYBODY WEIGH IN, BUT IF THERE'S LANGUAGE THAT'S DEBATABLE, I NEGOTIATE CONTRACTS AND MANAGE THEM, WHICH IS LANGUAGE THAT'S DEBATABLE.

WOULDN'T WE ALL WANT TO GET THAT CLARIFIED WHAT IT IS, SO WE'RE NOT DEBATING IT THE DAY THE CONTRACT GOES INTO EFFECT.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR AND SO THAT IN GOOD FAITH, LET IT READ WHAT IT CAN'T READ AND IT COMES BACK TO US AND THEN WE DECIDE.

>> OKAY.

>> DID YOU WANT TO ADD?

>> I GOT, WERE JUST LOOKING FOR FLEXIBILITY WITH CERTAIN HOME OWNERS THAT DON'T NEED THE CARTS [OVERLAPPING] AND ALL THAT.

JUST LOOKING AT FLEXIBILITY AND I'M NOT LOOKING TO REWRITE ANYTHING INTO THE CONTRACT, SO GREAT.

THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.

>> THANK YOU FOR ASKING. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS THEY WANT TO MAKE THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU SAW, IS THAT IT?

>> THAT'S ALL I HAVE MAYOR. THANK YOU.

[TOWN COUNCIL – LIAISON REPORTS AND COMMENTS]

>> MOVING TO COUNSEL.

>> YES, I HAVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS. EARLIER I HAD RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT SOME OF THE ELECTIONS LAW ITEMS IN THE TOWN CODE AND THE TOWN CHARTER.

I DID TAKE A LOOK AT CHAPTER 9 AS WELL AS SECTION 2 OF THE CHARTER.

I WEIGH THAT THERE'S REALLY A LOT OF ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT HERE, BOTH ARE RATHER VAGUE, THEY'RE REALLY AREN'T A LOT OF FIRMS STANDARDS IN THERE.

IF POSSIBLE, I WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH THE TIME MANAGEMENT TOWN ATTORNEY TO COME UP WITH SOME THING TO BRING BACK FOR THE REST OF COUNCIL TO LOOK AT WAYS TO IMPROVE THE PROCESS AS A STARTING POINT, IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE.

>> I'M MORE THAN OKAY WITH THAT.

I THINK WE TOOK THE ACTION ITEM INDIVIDUALLY TO GIVE COMMENTS ON THAT.

I HADN'T HAD A CHANCE TO EVEN LOOK AT IT, BUT QUITE FRANKLY, I'M COMFORTABLE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH YOUR TAKE IN THE FIRST CUT AT IT.

>> OKAY.

>> I THINK EVERYBODY THOUGHT THERE WERE SOME THINGS WE WANTED TO CORRECT SO PLEASE DO.

>> OKAY.

>> THEN WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE WE WANTED TO ADD, BUT I TRUST YOU WOULD GET MAJORITY, IF NOT ALL.

>> THANK YOU, I'M ABOUT TO START ON THAT.

THE OTHER THING WAS, EARLIER THIS MONTH, I TOOK A TOUR OF THE JUPITER LIBRARY AND THEY ARE VERY ANXIOUS TO WORK MORE CLOSELY WITH THE TOWN.

THEY HAVE A NUMBER OF SERVICES THAT THEY CAN PROVIDE NOT ONLY INTO THE RESIDENTS BUT TO TOWN AS WELL.

THEY DO HAVE A RESEARCH SERVICE THAT ACTUALLY THE COUNTY TAKES ADVANTAGE OF.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY KNEW THAT, BUT THEY WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO COME INTO YOUR PRESENTATION.

SOME POINT TO COUNCIL TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY DO AND HOW THEY CAN WORK MORE CLOSELY WITH THE TOWN, JUPITER AND RESIDENTS.

FINALLY, EARLIER TODAY, THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS VOTED NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE WATER BOND, AND I'M EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED THAT THE COMMISSION DECIDED TO TAKE THAT OUT OF THE HANDS OF THE VOTERS.

NOT LET THEM DECIDE WHETHER THEY WANT TO PROCEED WITH THE BOND, WHICH WOULD HAVE PROVIDED MONEY FOR A NUMBER OF WATER QUALITY PROJECTS IN NORTH COUNTY THAT IMPACT ALEXA HATCHY.

SOME OF THE COMMENTS REALLY I FOUND VERY DISTURBING, SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS DIDN'T THINK THAT ANY OF THESE PROJECTS WERE IMPORTANT OR REALLY NECESSARY.

I TAKE GREAT EXCEPTION TO THAT AND I REALLY HOPE THAT THE COMMISSION

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DECIDES AT THE NEXT OPPORTUNITY WORK TO GET THAT BOND BACK ON THE BALLOT NEXT YEAR.

IT'S A REALLY A BIG LOST OPPORTUNITY FOR JUPITER.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT WE WERE LOOKING TO HAVE FUNDED THROUGH THAT WATER BOND.

REALLY A VERY DISAPPOINTING DAY FOR THE ENVIRONMENT GIVEN THE ACTION BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TODAY.

>> THAT'S IT.

>> I HAVE NO COMMENT REALLY EXCEPT FOR I'M REALLY PLEASED TO SEE THAT ALICE KITCHING HOUSE.

WE WERE JUST RECENTLY IN JOHNATHAN TO CONSIDER AND I REMEMBER KITCHEN CREEK, WHICH I THINK SOME RECOGNIZED.

I HAVE A DAUGHTER NAMED ALICE, SO I REALLY LIKE THIS PROJECT BUT I THINK IT MIGHT BE NICE TO SHARE ON SOCIAL MEDIA AS WELL AND JUST BRING SOME OF THAT HISTORY AND STORYTELLING TO THE RESIDENTS.

IT COULD BE OF PARTICULAR INTERESTS.

>> I GOT NOTHING.

>> A COUPLE OF QUICK ONES.

NUMBER ONE TOUCHED ON THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SHARED ALREADY.

A PASSPORT TO JUPITER APP, MY WIFE AND I BEGAN DOING IT, IT WAS DELIGHTFUL.

IN FACT, MY WIFE COMMENTED THAT I WAS A GOOD TOUR GUIDE.

I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT I'VE BEEN EVERYWHERE, BUT IT'S FUNNY FOR MANY YEARS THAT I'VE SERVED, IT'S AMAZING TO REFRESH MEMORY ON WHAT I HAD SOME ROLE IN DOING.

I SAY THAT NOT FOR ANY CREDIT, ANYBODY THAT WAS UP HERE FOR 21 YEARS.

BUT WOW, I'M GLAD I'M GETTING A CHANCE TO VISIT PLACES THAT I HAD NEVER BEEN TO HAVE DRIVEN BY A LOT, BUT HAD NEVER BEEN TO.

ALL THE OPEN SPACES AND WHATEVER, I CAN'T EVEN BELIEVE I'VE MISSED OUT, IT'S JUST INCREDIBLE WHAT WE HAVE.

THAT PASSPORT IS SERVING ITS PURPOSE TREMENDOUSLY BECAUSE NOW, IT'S DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO BECAUSE WE'RE EXPLORING JUPITER.

STUFF THAT I PASS BY, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY HUNDREDS OF TIMES, I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO DO IT.

STAFF CAN GET BACK WITH ME BUT THIS MAY BE AN ISSUE TO THE GENERIC RESIDENT.

ON THE LOOK FOR THE ITEMS OF 14 ISLAND IN WILD AND SCENIC, I'M NOT SURE AND I'M TALKING ABOUT THE APP ON THE PHONE WHERE YOU HAVE TO GO ON THAT.

DON'T JUST THINK ABOUT THAT, PUT IT IN THE APP OR ONLINE BECAUSE MOST STUFF IS INTUITIVE.

BUT MY WIFE WAS SAYING SHE WENT AROUND, WE DON'T HAVE A BOAT.

I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT YOU HAVE TO GO OUT ON A BOAT TO GET TO THOSE TWO, BUT IF THAT'S THE CASE, WHATEVER IT IS OR TO SAY THAT IF YOU WILL INSTILL ON THOSE TWO.

>> GET A PEDAL BOARD.

>> NO, UNDERSTAND. BUT IT'S SUNNY, ON THE WILD AND SCENIC WHERE IT IS ON THE MAP.

IF YOU TAKE BOOK, IT ISN'T WHAT I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THE WILD AND SCENIC WOULD HAVE BEEN.

MY MIND IN WILD AND SCENIC, I WAS GOING TO TAKE THE WIFE FURTHER UPSTREAM WHICH I'VE BEEN TO ON A CANOE TYPE ADVENTURE, WHEN YOU'RE CARRYING A CANOE OVER THE DAM AND WHATEVER.

>> IT'S SUPPOSED TO RIDE OVER THE DAM.

>> WHAT'S THAT?

>> IS SUPPOSED TO RIDE THE CANOE. [LAUGHTER]

>> I UNDERSTAND. WELL, IT DEPENDS ON THE LEVEL OF THE WATER WHEN YOU'RE DOING THAT. [OVERLAPPING]

>> NICE SERVING THAT THIS WEEKEND.

>> DID YOU UPGRADE?

>> OVER THE DAM.

>> ANYWAY. JUST A WONDERFUL APP.

I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE DOING IT AND I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT SO THAT OTHERS AND THEN ON THE WATER BOND REFERENDUM.

I APPRECIATE FOR THOSE THAT, KIMMY WATCHED COMMISSION MEETING, SHARING THAT WITH US SINCERELY.

BECAUSE OTHERWISE, I DO BELIEVE IT MIGHT HAVE BECAUSE I HAD SOME DISCUSSION WITH ONE COUNTY COMMISSIONER.

I THINK IT WAS THE TIMING OF IT WITH THE UNCERTAINTY THAT WHETHER THAT WAS WHAT CAME ACROSS IN THE MEETING, I HAVE NO IDEA.

BUT KNOWING THAT THAT WAS THE MIND FRAME AND ALMOST DIDN'T MATTER WHAT WAS IN IT, AT LEAST TO ONE PERSON THAT I HAD HEARD.

BUT TO THE DEGREE THAT WE HAVE PROJECTS THAT WE THINK ARE GREAT CANDIDATES.

PERFECT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO PUT THEM OUT THERE AND ADVOCATE FOR THAT, IN FACT, I THINK THAT'S PERFECT.

I WAS GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE MASTER PLAN THAT WE SEE BECAUSE THREE OF YOU IT'S THE FIRST TIME YOU'VE SEEN A FIVE-YEAR MASTER PLAN.

BUT I'VE SEEN A NUMBER OF THEM AND ONE OF THE SHORTCOMINGS OF THE MASTER PLAN.

WELL, IN THIS YEAR'S PROCESS,

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YOU COULD HAVE GOTTEN A PERCEPTION.

IT'S ALL BUNDLED TOGETHER WITH THE MASTER PLAN, WITH THE FUNDING, WITH RATE ADJUSTMENTS AND WHATEVER.

WE SHOULD START FUNDAMENTALLY WITH THE PROJECTS.

THEN WE SHOULD AS A COUNCIL, WHICH STAFF PICKED, IT SOUNDS LIKE PERHAPS AT LEAST ONE COUNCIL MEMBER MAY HAVE ALREADY DONE THAT, LOOKED CLOSER AT IT.

BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT APPROACH AS OKAY, HERE'S THE PROJECT WE WANT TO DO THAT WE REALIZE BECAUSE WITHOUT NAMING THE PROJECT, THAT'S THE SAME APPROACH I THOUGHT IS.

HEY, IF THIS IS GOING TO GET DONE, IT'S GOING TO GET DONE WITH SOME OTHER FUNDING SOURCE.

I'D SUGGEST THAT WE ALL WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FIVE-YEAR PLANS FOR THE UTILITIES, WE OUGHT TO PUT THEM IN THAT CATEGORY.

THEN STRATEGICALLY WE'RE THEN ADVOCATING FOR THAT FUNDING SOURCE.

IT FITS RIGHT INTO WHAT YOU'D LIKE, QUITE FRANKLY WE MIGHT NOT HAVE HAD TIME TO GET IT DONE BY NOVEMBER.

GREAT, IN A WAY BE AN OPTIMIST, MAYBE IT WORKED OUT FOR THE BEST, WE CAN GET IT DONE THAT WAY, BUT JUST A SUGGESTION.

THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT ONE UP, IT'S ALL I HAD.

WITH THAT I ADJOURN THE MEETING. THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.